Welcome to the Quantum Biology Collective podcast

where we break down the practical applications of

this emerging science, starting with healthy life

habits and going wherever the quantum

superhighway takes us. This is your host,

executive and life coach Meredith Oak with a

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directory@quantumbiologycollective.org we are

going on a fun ride today people. It is going to

be good. I have Dr. Teresa Bullard, Ph.D. theresa

is a Ph.D. physicist. Her degree is from the

University of Washington in Seattle. She has over

12 years experience in experimental research

including neutrino physics, atomic physics,

quantum physics, crystal chemistry,

nanotechnology, origin of life studies and more.

However, she is also the author of a book called

the Game Social alchemists of the 21st century

century and a highly sought after speaker on

personal development and spiritual development

through a quantum lens. So I have been following

Teresa's work for many years. I have found her to

be a very clear communicator who really

understands her subject very thoroughly from an

academic perspective, but is one of those rare

scientists who left the academic world, left

standard physics to follow her heart and study

all of the implications of science and from a

more spiritual and esoteric perspective. She has

a TV show on the Gaia Network called Mystery

Teachings which I really recommend. She does a

great quantum physics breakdown in those episodes

and she also has a business with her husband

called the Quantum Learning Academy which she

talks about in this episode. And she speaks all

over the world and runs workshops and does all

kinds of really cool stuff and agreed to come on

this podcast and chat with me. So I got to have a

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interesting conversation. We talked about the

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what those are as well as the practical

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Bullard. Dr. Theresa Bullard, welcome to the

Quantum Biology Collective podcast. I am deeply

delighted to be talking with you today. Thank you

for making the time.

Thank you, Meredith, for the invitation.

So, as we were just chatting about, I first came

across your work many years ago and was felt very

deeply connected because I had come to the idea

of quantum physics many times in my life, but it

was always through what we lovingly call the woo

people. And they would refer to quantum physics

as, you know, the scientific proof for whatever

esoteric philosophy they were talking about. And

it felt true, but I never really felt like their

description of why and how was really going all

the way. They would make some vague references

to, you know, an experiment here and there and

then keep and then move on. But what I found your

work and as a classically trained physicist with

a PhD, you were the first person I encountered

who was able to explain classical physics and

classical quantum physics from, from the academic

field in a way that A, made sense and B, still

connected it back to our beloved esoteric

philosophies. So could you explain how you tell

people what you tell people? Quantum physics is

for those of us who are not physicists.

Okay, thank you. So quantum physics, I would say,

is the physics that governs the most fundamental,

the most basic building blocks of our universe.

Right. If we go down to the innermost core of

everything, every atom, every particle, you go

down to the innermost core of everything that

makes up this universe. It is going to be built

based on quantum physics and the ways in which

quantum physics tell us that these particles are

allowed to interact and behave and how they're

not allowed to behave. And from there the physics

kind of expands. And the more you add in lots and

lots of particles to build up more complex atoms

and then chemistry and so forth, they have to

start statistically averaging out and that's when

we then get more of a Newtonian classical type

interaction. And we work with the classical

physics laws, but at the most core essence, we

are quantum. And I, I think that that what it

ultimately is telling us is that we need to look

beyond just the physical. You know, for so long,

science was so focused on what is the smallest

particle, what are, what are the smallest

building blocks. Um, and the more they continued

to search deeper and deeper and have a higher

energy experiments to be able to probe more

deeply into matter, the more they found that it's

actually not about the particles, it's about the

fields. It's about the energy and that there's

infinite possibilities of what could be drawn

forth from the. The quantum sea of potential. And

it's like, in some ways, the more they just ramp

up their particle accelerator energies, the more

they get new particles coming out of this quantum

field. And so it's like, it's about the energy,

it's about the field, it's about the

interconnectivity and this infinite possibility

that it presents us with when we can learn how to

tap into it, when we learn how to probe it and

also communicate with it. So I say, ultimately,

we are quantum beings. The universe is quantum

everything from the smallest particles all the

way to intergalactic structures. Quantum physics

is actually playing a really important role in

how we and the universe function.

Thank you. That was beautifully simple, and it's

so true. I remember in middle school learning the

small what the smallest particle was. And then in

high school, they're like, oh, no, no, no. It's

different now. And then in college, not that I

took science, but I would, you know, you hear

things like, oh, no, no. Now it's. Now it's a

cork. Now it's over.

Right.

And I remember thinking, is this ever going to

stop? So the way that you describe physics, it is

so clear that we are quantum beings. However, on

my journey, I came into this, you know, through

personal health and wanting to heal myself. And I

discovered that there was. It was actually

considered completely untrue that there were

quantum effects in biological systems according

to classical biology. So could you. And there's

been some great academic work done in the last 15

years to show that actually that was an incorrect

conclusion. What are your thoughts on that? I

mean, obviously, the way you describe it, it's.

There's no question.

Yeah. You know, it's. It's really interesting

because science, you know, for hundreds of years,

science is being driven by a very Newtonian

model, right. All the way back to Isaac Newton.

And it became, you know, reduced to four

different principles. There was that everything

can be reduced to its parts. Reductionism.

Everything is deterministic. Right. That we can

predetermine and know. If we know the formulas,

then we can know everything about a system and

how it will unfold, that things are separate and

isolated. So if we just, you know, break down a

whole into its separate components and understand

how those components work, then we understand,

you know, the whole. And what I do in my

laboratory here doesn't affect anything else. You

know, so it's this sort of isolation model, and

then that things are materially real. And the

ultimately, it made the value system based on

what's physical and what's knowable and what we

can rationalize our way through. And because of

this, and there's a certain scientific dogma that

started to set in to most the scientific fields.

And that dogma became its own mindset that

started to limit the scientist perception and

willingness to even entertain certain ideas. So

scientism kind of became its own form of

religion, if you will. And so, you know, with one

of those ideas, for example, is that quantum

physics only applies to very fundamental

particles. And it only applies as you get to that

super, super small scale. And that as soon as you

start getting into larger numbers, they call them

ensembles. When you get to these ensembles or

larger numbers of particles interacting together,

Any quantum effects get averaged out. So once you

move into the chemistry realm, Quantum physics

isn't supposed to have any effect. And especially

when you get into the biology realm, it shouldn't

have any effect. But now we' starting to see more

and more experiments being done that are showing

entanglement phenomenon, for example, where this

is a quantum phenomenon where two particles that

at some point interact and then are separated,

that they remain connected even when they're

separated by, you know, light years, for example,

and they have this instantaneous connection

between them. Well, now we're starting to see

larger and larger systems, Even all the way up to

biology, have entanglement phenomenon As a result

of certain coherence. What's most important when

it comes to quantum application Is that things

are in a coherent state. They're somehow

synchronized together. But even at a biological

level, that can happen. And we're starting to see

that, for example, in some of the microtubules

that work within various neurons and the nervous

system itself, we're finding it in higher and

higher levels of molecules also being entangled

together. And so this coherence is really key,

though. So just because. And so science generally

has believed that you can't get that level of

coherence Unless you're, like, at near absolute

zero temperatures, which biology can't function

at. But. But now they're finding that that's not

entirely the case. There are other ways to get

this sort of coherence within the biological

level. So I personally believe, though, that the

thing that science is leaving out and maybe

starting to open up to exploring Is the

consciousness factor. And that, you know, so

like, I remember when I was in grad school, I

actually asked. I was at the University of

Washington. I was really starting to get more

educated on my own around things like biophotons

and the potential of biophysics and quantum and

the possible correlates of consciousness. And I

actually asked my professors at one point, you

know, could I do my dissertation research in

consciousness and how quantum physics, you know,

interacts maybe, you know, in the brain or

something along those lines. And I literally was

told, please do not embarrass this organization

with such soft pseudoscience kind of stuff. So,

you know, so they really were not open to it at

that time. And that, you know, that was back in

the early 2000s. And so, you know, but by now I

think that there's much more openness starting to

come back into the field. With younger

generations moving forward and becoming

professors, there's more openness, but there's

still like this. We're in this transition still

between this old paradigm, materialistic way of

viewing everything to the shifting into a new

paradigm where we are starting to look at the

consciousness factor and more interdisciplinary.

Like, I also wanted to do interdisciplinary

research at the time, and it was very hard to

find, and it wasn't well funded either. And so

you had all this separation between the various

branches of science, and they didn't even speak

the same language. Like, I shifted at some point

from doing neutrino physics research to doing

crystal chemistry and material science, and I

literally had to learn a whole new language and

way of thinking to understand how do we approach

this research. So even you would think that

physics and chemistry are next of kin in the

scientific way of approaching things, but they

are very different in their. In their mindset, in

their approach, in their culture, and even in

their terminology. You know, it's. They speak.

The academic world kind of creates silos within

itself because of all of its nomenclature. And,

you know, they like to. You got to be an expert

to know what to.

So even if you wanted to cross reference, it's

very difficult because everyone's using different

terminology, different formulas, different

everything.

Yeah, yeah, the nomenclature, you know, I mean,

like in chemistry, for example, there's a lot of

Latin that's being used in the naming of various

chemical processes and molecules and so forth.

Whereas in physics it's, you know, you don't

really get that, but then you get, you know, a

lot of acronyms in physics and, you know, so

it's. You have to, like, you have to really be

determined when you're trained in one way of

thinking. So, for example, also a physicist, as a

physicist, I was trained to do everything from

first principles that you. You need to understand

the math. You got to work it all out, drive it

first and, and dot every I and cross every T

before you go to the experiment. Whereas in

chemistry it was like the opposite. They're like,

throw, throw the chemicals together, see what

comes out, and then try and figure it out. You

know, it's a completely different mindset. So, so

it me a real, like quite a period of years to

adjust from, from one way to the other. But I

ultimately made my own interdisciplinary way of

working through the scientific field.

That's amazing. And you know, I think that's

probably the way forward. I took the name Quantum

biology from a book called the Coming Age of

Quantum Biology. And I'm going to be honest, I

don't remember the details of the science in that

book. But what I do remember very clearly is in

the foreword, the two authors, one was a

biologist and one was a physicist. And the way

they talked about daring to work together, it was

like they were having an affair on their, on

their fields or something. They met and they were

like, what if we could help each other solve

problem? Like, I don't know, will we get kicked

out? Will we get divorced? Yeah, but, you know, I

think obviously it worked out and they made some

incredible breakthroughs. But I just, I didn't,

as an outsider to science, I didn't understand

until I read that just how difficult it is for

you all to work together.

Well, I think, yeah. So I've kind of explained

part of it and I think another part of it in the

scientific field is there's a looming. There's

sort of this fear, if you will, of losing

credibility. And if you start venturing off into

alternative subjects, you, you risk losing your

credibility. And they kind of hold that over

people. Like, don't, don't go in that direction

because you'll lose your credibility. It's soft

science or whatever it is, or you won't get

funding because you. So funding also drives

scientific research. And what various funding

agencies are willing to support is based on what

they. Some kind of agenda or some kind of thing

that they really want to know, whether it's for

technological purposes or some basic science or

there's defense money. So there's certain agendas

that you have to kind of figure out how to write

your grant in a way that fulfills what they're

wanting to fund and it drives science. And I

think a lot of people don't understand,

understand that, you know, because sometimes you

get the skeptics to say, well, you know, if

consciousness has some quantum correlates,

where's the proof and why Is it. Why isn't there

any research or more research on it? And it's

like, well, there is research on it, but there's,

there's several things. One is funding it can't

get funded. Usually. 2 is even if they self fund

and they do the research and then they try to

publish, they get rejected just purely without

even having read it or, or verified it. It just

gets rejected because it's not the acceptable

kind of topic. And, and then there, you know,

then there's the risk of credibility and tenure

if you're, you know, professor. So there's all

these kinds of complications that come in with

the, this, the academic model in science. But I

do, I have seen there's more willingness, there's

more courage now coming from people who are in

those tenured positions. Because it used to be a

physicist, even if they believed in consciousness

and that consciousness was prim their entire

career, they wouldn't say anything about it to

their colleagues. And it wasn't until they

retired that they would finally come out of the

closet that they believed in something spiritual.

And now we're seeing more and more who are, who

are in physics professorships and tenured

positions where they are starting to come out and

just be like, this is what I believe. And they're

willing to argue it out. And, you know, so there

has been a shift in the last 10, 15 years, I

would say, and that's really refreshing to see,

although it wasn't when I was in grad school, so.

Right. And led, led to your leaving the

profession and going out on your own.

Yeah, yeah. I decided I needed to follow my heart

rather than just following the, the standard

system.

Yes. I'd love to explore that a little bit. But

first I did want to talk for a minute about

neutrinos on this podcast. We talk a lot about

light and how biophotons interact with biology

and how beautiful and amazing that is and good

for our health and all those things. But tell us

about neutrinos and what those are.

Yeah, so neutrinos are, they were discovered by,

I think it was Pauli. He, he was one of the

founding fathers of quantum physics. And as he

was looking at different interactions based on

what they were discovering at the time as the

laws of physics, he was seeing that there, he,

there would be certain known particles coming in

to an interaction and then they would, you know,

go, go out. You know, like maybe it was a, just a

scattering event or maybe there was an actual

exchange depending on the energy. But he also saw

as he was working out the equations that there

were missing. There was something missing. And it

seemed to be carrying away angular momentum and a

certain amount of energy, but it had no charge

and it had no mass. So it wasn't interacting via

electromagnetism, and it was not interacting with

mass. So gravitational effects that you wouldn't

be able to look out into the cosmos and measure

its gravitational effects, for example. And so

they called it very weakly interacting. And it

wasn't working via the strong force, which is

more the nuclear, what holds a nucleus together.

And so he called it the little neutral one, the

neutrino. So there's a particle that has no

charge, no mass. It's not one of the quarks that

work via the strong force and create protons and

neutrons. It's not an electron. It's not a

photon. It's, you know, it's none of these other

particles that they knew at the time, but it is

abundant in the universe, and it's produced

inside of fusion, nuclear fusion. So in the stars

and in supernova and, you know, jets out of

galactic cores, like the black holes, when they

have these sort of jets of plasma particles

coming out, neutrinos. So, like, for example, if

there's a supernova somewhere out in the

universe, the neutrinos will hit Earth first. If

it's, if we're in the line of that, the neutrinos

will hit Earth first before the photons do,

because they don't interact with

electromagnetism. So they don't get slowed down,

whereas the photons get a bit slowed down in

their interactions with various electrons and

other things. So neutrinos are this really

elusive particle, but that is created by the sun.

It's created by, you know, supernova and so

forth. And we're bombarded. You know, we, we have

neutrinos flowing through us like thousands,

millions, you know, and, and, and they, they

interact, but only through the weak force, which

is one of the four quantum physics forces. And so

it can interact with us, but it's very weakly

interacting. And so one of this is one of the

things that I was involved in researching in my

PhD studies was in order to even detect a

neutrino, for example, we had this experiment

that I was a part of called the Sudbury Neutrino

Observatory. And we had to go a mile underground

and a mile through the drift of a mine, and so a

mile through these tunnels, and then there was

this big container, almost like a reservoir, but

it was round, it was spherical, and inside that,

they had heavy water. So they had a thousand tons

of heavy water inside this big container, and it

was ultra pure, right? And then they had all

these photo multiplier tubes around it. So that

basically when a neutrino came in and it hit the

heavy water, it would interact more so than with

regular water because there's an extra, you know,

it's a deuterium, extra neutrons in there. And it

would kick out a neutron from the, from the heavy

water. And then that neutron was what they called

the neutral signal. And then we had to detect

that with other form of detection, but it would

also create these Cherenkov rings. So anyway, so

this is how we were measuring whether one, if

there's multiple types of neutrinos, which there

were, there's three different types of neutrinos.

And just like there's three different types of

what they call leptons, like electrons are one

form of lepton, there's also muons and taunts,

and these are part of the standard model of

quantum physics. And then there's a neutrino that

matches each of those families. And then they

were also trying to detect whether it had mass or

not, whether it had a minuscule amount of mass or

no mass, and whether they could oscillate. They

did find that an electron neutrino can oscillate

to a muon and a taun. And it's not until it's

measured that we actually collapse the waveform,

if you will, to see which type it is. So there

was a lot of fascinating, fascinating things

about it.

In the, the academic model or the classic physics

model that you were working in, was there a

hypothesis or a theory as to whether neutrinos

serve some sort of purpose? And then I'd be

curious if you have your own esoteric thoughts on

them.

So in the classical, or in the standard, I should

say, standard physics model, the purpose is

they're carriers of energy, right? That, that

they just help carry away certain energy from

different reactions that happen or interactions

that happen at a, at a nuclear level. Not nuclear

physics necessarily, like in the sense of fusion

or fission. It's not about fission so much. It's

about fusion, but they carry energy. But I would

also say if they carry energy, they carry

information, right? Because information is a. In

quantum physics, the more you look at it, the

more you, you start to realize that even more

fundamental than energy, you know, because like

Einstein's whole thing was that everything is

energy, right? Mass and energy are equivalent,

essentially. But in a quantum physics model, it's

Actually, everything is information. And

information. Then from information emerges things

like mass or energy or charge and so forth. So

the more fundamental building block of the

universe is information. And so then if we were

to shift to an esoteric kind of perspective, a

more spiritual perspective, there's. I'm still

kind of personally trying to wrap my head around

it, but there are some, both scientists and

metaphysicians that I have met who believe that

neutrinos are something that are attracted to our

consciousness and that they. They carry

information and that we can draw. Like, if you're

meditating, you're coming into a more and more

coherent state of being that you can draw more

neutrinos to you. And. And then there's another

particle that are theorizing called. That's even

smaller than a neutrino called the ignaton. Ignis

like. Like being the Latin word for fire. And

they, they think it's like the secret fire. And

that this also comes, like, from the sun and. And

so forth. And so they believe. And. And this is

something that is being presented even on Gaia

now. They're. They had a little bit of it in

their ancient civilizations. The most recent

season six, and in some of the later episodes,

the last couple episodes, they. They talked a bit

about it. And it's. So the, the idea is that the

more coherent our consciousness becomes, the more

we can attract both neutrinos and ignatons to us.

And this then starts to amplify what we call the

light body. And it. And it. You know, eventually

there's certain ancient spiritual teachings that

talk about, like, the rainbow body, the light

body, the ascension body. And through various

spiritual practices, it's like you're

accumulating these extra particles, your field,

or maybe it's not really about the particles so

much. I think they stream through us, but the

information becomes more and more part of us. So.

So this is. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Okay.

I'm going to take a second to process all that.

Wow, that's really cool. And it's. Yeah. What's

really, you know, it's just all resonating so

much. So, as I said before, we talk a lot about

biophotons and this sort of, you know, standard

scientific consensus is becoming that circadian

rhythms are extremely important to overall health

in every capacity. And every time a new paper

comes out, it's like, oh, my goodness, artificial

light at night leads to all these terrible

things. And oh, my goodness, sunlight exposure is

so much more important than we ever thought. And

so there's that, you know, and I have lots of,

like, somewhat mainstream doctors who. Who come

on and talk about the importance of sunlight to

health. And then you have the people who, you

know, who are more in our crew, who have, like,

this subatomic understanding. They're like, well,

because light is information and it's coding into

our. Those biophotons are our information that

our body needs to function. And so now we're

going even beyond. Because it always seems to

come back to being. Being outside and having. Not

in like a necessarily sunbathing way, although

that's great too. But being connected to natural

light as a. As a source of health and coherence.

I think it would be nature in general. I mean,

all four elements. Right. So having. Having the.

I mean, even just being around running water,

Right. We know that running water creates a bit

of an ionic field around it and. And that can

charge up our own field as well. Being earthed.

Right. Grounding and like, walking barefooted on

the earth, breathing in, obviously, clean air.

Right. And having that air that's circulating

versus air that's stagnant. And yes, of course,

the sun and receiving the light, that stimulation

of the, you know, pineal and pituitary and so

forth that really rely on the light and vitamin

D, you know, all of it. We know that all of these

elements, you know, ancient wisdom teachings, you

always talked about the four elements and how we

need them to be in balance in our life and that

we needed to be connected with all four of them

to have health. And, you know, so we might have.

Might today, in our scientific way of thinking

about things, say, well, the four elements, you

know, they're not really the four elements.

They're not the most basic. Right. We know more

about them now, but it's still like, from a human

perspective and from our experience, it's still

very much a fundamental need. You know, we need

these to thrive. And so I wouldn't discount the

importance of the four elements in our lives and

having them in a natural way.

Yes, absolutely. The grounding is important. And

the trees are giving off information and

reflecting light. Yeah, there's all of the pieces

of it, for sure, because we were talking about

the neutrinos and all of these, you know, all of

this information that's coming down. Okay, so. So

we've talked a lot. You've talked a lot about the

word coherence and in the, you know, the

neutrino, the metaphysical idea of neutrinos. So

they're coming. They're coming through us at all

Times they have information. Are you saying that

we are more or less available to that information

depending on our own personal coherence? And what

do you mean by that word?

Okay, so let's start with what do we mean by

coherence, first of all? So coherence means that

things are aligned. Think of a laser, right.

Versus thinking of an incandescent light bulb,

right? So in an incandescent light, you just have

light sort of scattering, and it's a broad

spectrum of frequencies that come out from that

particular light bulb. But when you have an LED

light or a laser light, it's a specific

frequency. So everything is tuned to one

frequency. Everything is the. Their waveforms are

perfectly aligned with each other. So they're in

phase with each other and they're all moving in

the same direction. So rather than being

scattered in multiple directions, they're all

moving in a laser like fashion, all in one

direction. So coherence is about really like

having that laser focus. Now, from a, from a

quantum perspective, for example, we know that if

I, in order to like excite an electron from one

orbit to another orbit, it takes a very specific

amount of energy. So photon would need to come

in, or, you know, whichever. So we'll just say

with the photon, a photon needs to come in and it

has to have a very specific energy. And then it

can excite that electron up to a higher orbital

state, higher frequency state, if you will. And,

and then when that electron ultimately de.

Excites and comes back to its ground state, it

will release a photon of the exact same

frequency. And if you bring in any other

frequency of light, it's not going to, it's like

it won't be enough if it's too low. And if it's

too much, it might, it might actually kick it

out, right? So like X rays, for example, when we

get an X ray, we want to minimize our exposure to

X rays because X rays actually kick out electrons

out of the, out of their atoms completely. And

that's how we then, you know, do the imaging. So,

and you know, and then we have gamma rays come in

from galactic sources. We have UV light, right?

These are all different frequencies of photons

and light. So coherence is really important. And

in quantum physics, as I mentioned, if you have,

for example, there's something called a Bose

Einstein condensate, which is where you have a

lot of particles or a lot of atoms come together,

but then they're cooled down to a lower energy

state. But in this process they end up getting

kind of rearranging themselves and connecting

together in a way that they almost become like

one particle and they behave as one unit. The

more they align themselves, the more it's

becoming this new state of matter that they call

the Bose, Einstein condensate. This coherence. In

order to have quantum effects at a macroscopic

level, you have to have more and more coherence

of the various parts, the various pieces coming

together and acting as one. So, so this is super

important. I mean, every, in every way that you

look at quantum physics, coherence plays a role.

Now when we talk about it at a biological level,

we can talk about having coherence of our brain

waves, right? You can synchronize the, the

hemispheres. You can have like more of a,

everything kind of coming into a particular

frequency range. And we know from neuroscience

now that different frequency ranges of brain

waves will relate to different states of

consciousness. Not that the brain necessarily

creates the state of consciousness, but it

correlates with. And we can also talk about heart

coherence, right? So your heartbeat and you have

variability in that, that heart rate. And when

there's more coherence and it's consistent and

not so erratic, then you're going to be in a more

healing oriented state within your body. Usually

that comes from being in gratitude, being in a

place of appreciation, a place of joy and so

forth. And so this creates a more holistic state.

You can take this idea of coherence to your gut,

right? When your microbiome is coherent, like

you're, you're, they're all synergistically

working together because you have a healthy gut

microbiome versus an unhealthy, you know,

imbalance of bad bacteria. That's where you get

disease and issues, digestive issues which then

lead to, you know, other diseases. So coherence

can, you know, is something we can talk about at

every, every scale, every level of our being. And

the more we're coherent, the more we are going to

be healthy, we're going to thrive, but we're also

going to be able to inform the quantum field, if

you will. So I believe that consciousness as we

can bring our consciousness to a state of

coherence, meaning quiet down that monkey mind

instead of having all this distraction and

frantic energy and whatnot that we tend to be

exposed to in our modern, you know, world, and

especially in the urban sort of living, you're,

you get a lot of exposure to static. And in that

static, it's like you can't really have a clear

information that you're putting into the Quantum

field. Right. Because it's going to have a lot of

conflict and noise and all of that. Whereas if we

really want to make a difference in that quantum

realm, we have to have coherence going in. And so

you have to kind of bring yourself to that

stillness and silence within, but then also

single pointed focus of what are you trying to

inform and plant into the quantum field that

you're then hoping it will give you back. So

there is a way to communicate, I believe, using

consciousness. And that's really what we do in.

In the work that we're doing with the Quantum

Learning Academy is very much about training

people how to understand what is a quantum

mindset. Mindset. But then how to access what we

call a quantum coherent state of being at

multiple levels and making sure that we're first

accessing that proper state so that we can really

then communicate with that quantum realm and then

use it ultimately to support our innovation, to

support our manifestation, to create the kind of

life we really want to be living.

That's beautiful. A beautiful explanation. And do

you find that this coherence is affected by being

around in groups.

Yeah.

Other people on the same path, or in certain

cases, not depending, you know, on being on the

subway versus, you know, being in a. In the

meeting where everyone's focused on the same

thing.

Yeah. Yeah. So there's this concept in science of

entrainment. And it really. You can apply this

concept of entrainment to any vibrating system.

And pretty much everything is a vibrating system.

Everything vibrates. So, you know, when it comes

to people, when you get a group of people

together, they can entrain, but who are they

going to entrain to? Right. Are they going to

entrain to the person who's holding the high

vibes or the person who's holding the low vibes?

Right. And there's. There is some choice in that.

But just to kind of keep it simple, if you

imagine you have two tuning forks, if you strike

a tuning fork and that tuning fork vibrates then

at a. At a particular frequency, if you bring it

within proximity of another tuning fork that's

not yet vibrating, but has the capacity, has the

same ability to vibrate at that same frequency.

And if you just hold them near each other, at

some point, this other tuning fork will start to

vibrate with it. It'll entrain. And so I think

entrainment really takes effect when you're

physically exposed to vibrational frequencies.

And this is where like even the whole concept of

binaural beat brainwave entrainment, you know, is

when you wear the headphones and you have one

frequency coming in one ear and another frequency

coming in another ear, and maybe they're a little

bit different. Right brain hears one, left brain

hears a different. And they're trying to kind of

find agreement into what they're hearing. It's a

way to kind of trick the brain into synchronizing

the. The hemispheres, because over the corpus

callosum, they have to combine the signals. And

actually inside the brain, you get a third

signal, which is the difference between them. And

they call that the binaural beat. And then you

can kind of tune that beat frequency in to the

specific brainwave levels that you want to

entrain the brain to. So that's one way to do it

with sound. But, you know, and like, a lot of the

sound baths are really popular these days. And,

you know, when people are in a sound bath, you

know that they're using the gongs and the bowls

and the, you know, the chimes and whatnot as a

way to. To create a vibratory. A harmonic

vibratory environment around you, which then will

impact the cells of your body, it'll impact the

ears and nervous system. Everything will receive

that vibration and be entrained into it. Because

we are. We are multivibrational. We have the

capacity to vibrate at many different levels

based on, you know, which level of your being

you're looking at. And so when a group of people

get together, who people tend to entrain to, I

think often really depends on who's got the

strongest will. And they're, you know, kind of

the. They're either the big personality, you

know, or the one that everyone kind of finds some

sense of rapport to. Or, you know, you might have

two different people who have. Who are a strong

resonator. And then from there, somebody. It's

like, what are they choosing to engage in? Are

they choosing to engage in the positive? Are they

choosing to engage in the negative and the drama,

for example? And then they'll kind of gravitate

towards who they want to be resonating with. But,

yeah, you can definitely get amplified effects as

well when you have a group of intentional people

all come together. And, you know, this has been

shown by some of the work of Lynn McTaggart, for

example, with her intention experiments is, you

know, you. You bring a group of people together

and they're all focused on the same. The same

kind of process and the same objective or serve

ultimately service to bring some healing to

somebody else. And that it amplifies the Field,

it amplifies the effect when you have many people

coming together and focusing on the same thing.

Interesting. Yes. I just, I think about that

because, you know, the work that I'm doing, we're

all doing together. So much of it is virtual. And

I've been feeling lately that it would be really

for the next level. People need to see each other

in person and have that. That in person coherence

and entrainment happening. And I'm excited to see

what everyone. What breakthroughs people have and

what ideas they come up with when they are in

each other's physical presence.

Yeah. You know, I think that there's a lot more

people these days who are doing these intention

experiments remotely. Right. And it's. They're

coordinating in time and maybe not in the same

space, but in the same time. And yet they're

linked through the Internet. And I think that

through the morphic field idea, the morphogenetic

and sort of the entanglement of consciousness, I

think we could tune into a unified field.

However, I would say that when you get together

in person, you have a much more immediate and

direct impact on the physical. So in person, work

is always going to have an amplified effect

versus trying to do everything remotely. And I do

think that we need that contact. Like, humans are

social creatures, right. We're. We're going to be

thriving more when we have that social

connection, not just through technology, but

through touch and through actual sharing of auric

space. You know, that we're in each other's

fields and there's a much more immediate ability

to entrain and cohere with each other when we're

together in person.

Right. Yeah. I've really noticed that we moved

around a lot, especially during and after Covid

and I just locked into my people because I had.

My people were online and that's where they were.

And I recently. Where we've been where this is

our third year here and I went and joined a

committee at. In the children's school district.

And my husband was like, are you really sure you

want to do that? You're kind of busy. And I was

like, I need to go to a meeting with. With human

beings who are in the same room with me. Even if

we're gonna if to talk about, you know,

fundraising for. For the school party, I don't

care what the top like, I mean, that is

meaningful to me. So if I do care. But it was

just what you're saying. I just had this deep

need after so much virtual work to be with human

beings at the same time and just work on

something together.

Yeah. You know, I remember during COVID seeing a

video that I think just captured the whole

importance of physical contact is. I mean,

people, number one. We know how many people were

having like mental health issues and depression

and so forth come because they, even if they

could get online interaction, they couldn't get

in person interaction and they were really

isolated. But there was this one video of these

kids who were like, you know, kids that were best

friends and they were really young, like under 8

years old, and, and they couldn't be with each

other and they couldn't hang out. They could talk

to each other over zoom, maybe during COVID but

it was like once some of the restrictions started

to reduce and they were able to get the kids

together for the first time, the kids like came

together and they hugged and they started crying

and crying and crying. You know, they're just. It

was so healing for them to be able to connect

again in person. Right. So we need that, we need

that contact and we need physical. To hold

physical space with each other. And I think

that's super important for us to not lose touch

with.

Yeah, yeah. Oh, what a beautiful story. Yeah, we

really do. And when we're, when we're grown ups,

we're like, oh, no, I'm fine. I've got all this

happening and skip over, skip over things here

and there. Okay. I want to just touch on before

we, we wrap the idea of alchemy, because one of

the things that I real appreciate about your

work, I appreciate you, the clarity of your

communication. I found I find you to be very

grounded. Even when you're talking about

extremely high level metaphysical stuff. There's

a groundedness. But also, and this is like so

dear to my heart, it's very practical. I find

whenever I listen to you or watch one of your

shows or one of your teachings, it always comes

back to like, okay, so what does this mean in

life? And you have a beautiful book where you

have taken some of the concepts of alchemy. We

don't have to go through all of them, but use

them as a template for our own personal change,

for organizational change, for societal change. I

just wanted to touch on that briefly because

again, it's a concept that is super esoteric to

most people. I would say this audience probably

would have some nodding acquaintance with alchemy

in a positive way. But you have a deep

understanding of it and also a very practical

application. So just quickly tell us how you see

alchemy and what that concept means through

physics. And through personal, organizational,

societal change.

Yeah. So in my book, it's called the Game

Changers, Social alchemists in the 21st century.

And it's is. It's a easily digestible book. But,

you know, so it's not huge. It's. It's small, but

it's packed with, like, just the essence. And,

and it's. I love it because it's like, okay, yes,

there's alchemy from the scientific perspective.

And, and here's, you know, like my, My first

exposure to alchemy. I had. I was well into my

PhD studies at that point in physics, and I've

been very much programmed with the mindset of

alchemy. Well, that's just pseudoscience and, you

know, the Middle Ages trying to turn lead into

gold. And we know that's not possible. And, you

know, this is my mindset around alchemy. When,

When I first started getting exposed to it, I was

really searching for practical ways to bridge

science and spirituality. And, you know, I

thought, well, there's some great philosophy

around Eastern mysticism, for example, like the

Taoism or Buddhism, like these philosophies with

quantum physics. And it's. It's all great, but

it's just theoretical or hypothetical. You know,

it's just philosophical, and it's not grounded.

It's not applied. And so I knew that if we wanted

to bring it into more applicability and

tangibility and. And really, you know, move the

field forward, if you will, of bridging signs and

spirituality, we had to make it more practical.

And so I was searching for that. And then alchemy

just kept kind of being presented to me. And

every. Like, there's at least three times where

it came up. And I just said, oh, no, I'm a real

scientist. I don't have anything to learn from

alchemists. But it just kept coming up, and it

kept coming up. So the universe was just like,

really giving me.

All right, all right.

Lots of messages. And so I knew enough to, okay,

I'm going to listen to the universe and just

like, empty my cup for a moment and suspend my.

My skepticism about it, and I'm going to read a

book. And as I started reading about it, I

realized that the true gold of alchemy is the

wisdom itself. That it's not just about trying to

turn lead into gold, as we were sort of taught in

our science history classes, but that there is a

wisdom of the process of transformation. And it's

basically at its most fundamental level, it's how

to take Any. Any substance, any being, any, you

know, whether it's an herb or you or a mineral,

and take it from a raw state to a more purified

and perfected state. And so it's this process of

transformation, and there's these stages that we

go through to get from that raw material to that

perfected material. And. And these principles are

universal. It's not really about our psychology.

It's not about our belief system. It's not about,

you know, what we think about it. It's about.

This is just what happens. Even. There's even

alchemy at a cosmic level. You know, like how we

go from just like space dust to star formation.

You know, there's an alchemy at work that happens

there as well. And so in my book, I talk about

there's these seven stages of alchemy. I think it

would take a bit too long to go through all seven

stages of it right now. But the basic formula is

this process of separating out the parts and

purifying them. And then once they're purified,

we bring them back together in a more synergistic

way by recombining, and then we'll go through

another round of separating again, purifying

again, elevating, and kind of raising their

vibration and then bringing them back together

and finding, you know, that perfect balance and

combination of those elements. And they talk

about what are called the three essentials in

alchemy. There's the physical material itself.

They call that the body. There's the

consciousness, the unique sort of attributes and

qualities, the characteristics. They call that

more the soul. And then there's what they call

the spirit, which is the essence that makes it

alive. But at that, spirit is kind of more

universal. And so they. They always talk about

these three essentials. And there's different

forms of alchemy out there. You can see it in

Chinese medicine. You can see it in Ayurvedic

medicine. You can. You have the Western system.

There's multiple approaches to alchemy. It goes

all the way back to ancient Egypt, probably even

goes back further than ancient Egypt. And it is.

It.

You know, the more I started to learn about it,

the more I was like, wow, this is what's

happening in. Even in our personal growth, right?

And. And also, like, wait a second. Science came

out of alchemy, like, before we were. We called

ourselves scientists, we called ourselves

alchemists. And in the alchemists, like, they did

not separate the spirit or the soul from the

body. They saw it all as really essential, all

three of them. Whereas materialist scientists

kind of started separating out the mind and the

soul and the spirit and said, that's for the

realm of religion. We're going to just focus on

the material part of it. We're going to focus on

the body, the chemistry, and the bottom line. But

all of our modern medicine, our modern

pharmacology, also herbal medicine and

homeopathic approaches, and all of these fields

came out of alchemy. So to me, I see it as a

perfect place to. If we want to reconnect science

and spirituality, we got to go back to its roots,

which is the alchemical tradition. And I like to

apply it to our personal growth. So as we are

evolving our own consciousness, our own soul, and

we're going through various stages of growth, we

go through these same seven stages. A bit of

breakdown, a bit of, you know, kind of emotional,

like, not sure what to make of all of this. And

then we get back to clarity, and then we find our

new self. And then we, you know, we go through.

Sometimes we might have to root out deeper

impurities and go through a little bit of a dark

night and let go of attachments. But then

ultimately we break through and we come into

higher and higher practices. But what you'll find

in the higher steps, like the later steps of the

alchemical process, most of the first four steps

kind of will happen naturally if you're even

somewhat applying yourself. But the final three

steps really require a lot more personal

attention, will patience and knowledge and higher

keys or wisdom of how to move those steps forward

successfully. And often what people get to is

they get to that point where they're starting to

feel good again after they've been through a

transformational sort of phase. They get to the

point where they feel good again, and they get

back in their comfort zone. And then they don't

actually complete all the way through. So I feel

that when you know the alchemical steps, it

really gives you a roadmap to. To keep moving

through all the stages so that you can perfect it

and stabilize it and integrate it rather than

kind of backsliding again. And then we can apply

this not only to ourselves, but we can apply this

to the world, to human collective consciousness

and our societal transformations that we're going

through right now. And these are some of the

things that I cover in the book as well.

Yes. And that.

That's.

I found, as I was saying, I found super helpful.

And I do remember that part where. Because you

have to remember how. How many stages there are,

and you have a breakthrough and especially, you

know, if someone's been unwell and they get, they

get better and, and then you, you feel unwell

again and it's like you've, it's, or you fall off

or the problem comes back and, and I remember

there's a part in the book and you're like, no,

wait, you're not finished. There's still more

stages. Don't give up yet. Like that first, it's

almost like that first breakthrough is really the

beginning.

Yeah, yeah, it's the midpoint. But it's sort of

like when you're climbing a mountain and you get

to base camp, you know, you get to this sort of

halfway point and then you look and you're like,

oh, I've still got all that mountain to climb.

You know, it really takes more determination and

discipline and dedication to getting all the way

through. But it's really rewarding when you do.

You'll have huge sense of accomplishment and

victory when you, when you do it. And you know,

you can just look at, for example, I mean, just

look at Covid by itself and the travel industry

and what the travel industry had to go through

when Covid hit, right. I mean, the rug got pulled

out from under it. The whole thing was shut down.

Right. It was a real like, like massive wake up

call. And, and, and so then they had to start

looking at, okay, what are our practices? How,

you know, how do we sanitize more, how do we make

sure everything's clean, how do we make it safe

again for travelers? Otherwise we're going to

lose the whole industry of travel. And as we

started to open up again, you know, there was all

these protocols that they were doing. You know,

they give you these sanitizing wipes. They, they

sanitized and cleaned all the seats. Seats and

all the tray tables and everything. And you know,

the, the, the airports had never been so clean as

that time and everyone was having to wear masks

and, you know, kind of be more mindful of the

impact that you have on other people that you're

sharing this space with. And, and where are they

at today? Right? What did they learn from that

experience and how much of, of those good

practices to clean up did have they maintained.

Right. And I mean, I travel a lot and I would say

they've backslid back to how it was before. And I

really hope that we don't have to repeat that

lesson again. Please know, I know maybe next time

we'll be able to get to it faster and you know,

pick it up faster. But it's Just, it's an example

of getting to that midpoint and you get

comfortable again and things kind of go back to

what seems normal. But, okay, now we're past the

hard part of it. And then you just sort of go

into that comfort zone and stop doing all the

extra good practices. But that's where the

backslide then starts to happen. So it's like we

have to continue and integrate those. Those good

practices and make them a way of life rather than

just, you know, kind of letting go of the good

practice.

Right. All the things that we did to start to

feel better or lose weight or not be depressed,

we have to keep them. They have to become the way

of life, not just a temporary solution to the

problem.

Right.

For a true alchemical change to occur.

Right. So we conquer our first nature, which is

sort of falling into the comfort zone and, you

know, that sort of laziness of the animal self.

And you gotta conquer that and, you know, apply

more the discipline and the good practices,

whether it's meditation, exercise, eating. Well,

sticking to it, rather than just going on this

crash course and then. And then dropping it all

together. We have to create those little

adjustments that become a way of life, and then

you just maintain it. Then you build a new

platform. Platform upon which you can rise

higher, but it's got to be integrated into your.

Your way of life for sure.

And where do you see that we are as a collective

through that lens?

Well, I have seen over the last. Since at least

2016, maybe earlier, but yeah, 2016, we. I felt

like we started going into a dark night of the

soul of. At least in the Western world, but

that's actually the fifth stage. So while it

seemed really dark and. And kind of fearful,

there was a lot of fear that we've been.

Humanity's been facing over the last many years.

There has actually been some forward movement

from an alchemical perspective. So it's. It's

the. This fifth stage, we call it the

fermentation stage. It's, you know, I like to use

the analogy of the butterfly, the caterpillar

becoming the butterfly, the metamorphosis. And I

do explain this in the book, but essentially,

caterpillar, as it goes into its chrysalis, it

completely breaks down into this soupy mess. And,

you know, so there's the breakdown of the old

system, but that old system kind of had lived out

its time. And there's a new. There's a trigger

inside the DNA saying, no, you have to evolve or

transform metamorph into this more beautiful

thing. But to go through that transformation,

that metamorphosis, we have to go through this

soupy mess. And there's this place where certain

old cells attack the new cells and then the new

cells have to kind of bond together and form,

stre, find strength in numbers. And then they got

to diversify and then eventually that new

structure starts to come through. So I see, for

example, in the world right now there's a lot of

new paradigm systems that are trying to move

forward and emerge. I mean, whether you're

talking like, just from the tech perspective,

you've got AI, you've got quantum computing

starting to come forward, we've got all these

wearables and stuff. From medical perspective,

there's a lot of innovation happening in

medicine. You've got blockchain. I mean, there's

so many different new, new paradigm ways of

approaching things that are starting to come in,

but they're, they're fighting against the old

system because they're a threat to the old

system. In a way. It's like, well, if we do it

that way, you know, then this old way loses

control. And so we're sort of in that struggle

still. But I think that we're starting to make a

breakthrough. It's, it's almost like that point

where the butterfly is formed inside the

chrysalis and then the chrysalis starts to break

open and light shines into the darkness and you

can, you can start to see that, oh, there's this

new form that's emerging, but it has to kind of

struggle its way out of the chrysalis. And, and,

and you know, if you were to go and see a

butterfly trying to struggle out of its it's

cocoon or it's chrysalis, and you were to like

feel sorry for it and try to intervene and help

it out, it wouldn't get strong enough to be able

to fly. So it has to struggle on its own to get

out of that chrysalis, because that is actually,

that struggle is what strengthens the structure

and the wings of this butterfly so that it can

actually, you know, take flight down the line.

And, and even when it gets out of that struggle,

it's going to need a little bit of time to rest

and dry off and kind of regather itself before it

finally can take flight. So we're kind of in that

stage where we're struggling out of the

chrysalis. There's this new paradigm coming in.

There's still a struggle with the old paradigm,

but we have to go through the struggle and it's

not easy, but we're moving more and more into the

light and out of that dark stage. Out, I think.

So I think we're in this transition at the

moment. If you read my book, we're in this

transition between the fermentation and the

distillation stage. But here is where we really

need to be conscious and intentional and

proactive and disciplined with how we continue to

move the process forward. Because if we don't

participate with it, it will kind of backslide or

it won't. It won't integrate into a new way of

life. So we're at a really critical time on the

planet and in our modern world. And so I think

the people who really want to be part of that

solution and be part of the change, they need the

right knowledge. And that's why I love alchemy,

is because it kind of gives us that roadmap of,

okay, this struggle that we're going through is

actually worthwhile. It's part of the process.

And also, I think the new paradigm shift in

consciousness that needs to happen is also out of

this old Newtonian way of thinking and into a

more quantum way of thinking. And so that quantum

paradigm is something that we teach within the

Quantum Learning Academy. And we actually have a

program coming up in April in Reno, in Reno,

Nevada, where it's called Iquantum, where we'll

really take three days to dive deep into what are

these quantum principles, and how do they apply,

what do they mean, and how can we adapt it as a

mindset, and what does that do for us? And then

how do we actually achieve a quantum coherent

state? We have our meditation technique called

the Quantum meditation technique that we guide

people through to really learn how to achieve

that quantum coherent state, or what are the keys

to it. So very excited.

That sounds fun. I'm going to come.

Yeah. Well, you can learn all about it at

quantumlearningacademy co.co.

Okay, so quantumlearningacademy co. Perfect. And

there's live events coming up. I'm sure there's

probably recorded material in there as well.

Yeah. We also have a webinar coming up that will.

I think it's in early February that will be just

sort of a free webinar to help people kind of get

a sense of what is the I quantum event all about.

And. And, you know, a little bit more of what we

do. So that's coming up also. That's online.

Perfect. Well, Teresa, I'm so glad that you

followed your heart to leave academia. Their

loss. But your work is, it's the framework of it

is just such an important guide, especially right

now. I'm just, yeah, I've been communicating with

people lately. Just what you're saying. It's like

we gotta stay alive, people. This is the moment.

I don't know what's happening but, but, but we're

here for it. So thank you. Thank you so much for

being here and sharing your deep wisdom.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

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