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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hi and welcome to the You world order showcase podcast where we feature life, health, and transformational coaches as well as spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to be the change they seek in the world. I'm your host, Jill Hart, the coaches alchemist, who's on a mission to help coaches and entrepreneurs amplify

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: their voice and monetize their mission and get visible leveraging podcasts and the 1 million plus audience on the Gnostic TV network. Today we are chatting with Butch Phelps, who is the founder of the muscle, repair shop

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and the stretch and release technique, who is on a mission himself to help you regain the freedom of movement you once had, and age more pain-free, he created the stretch and release technique. After 15 years of studying aging sciences.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: neuromuscular massage, active, isolated stretching, and how the brain affects our ability to release our muscles. Welcome to the show, Butch.

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Butch: Oh, thank you, Joe. Glad to be here.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: what's the most significant thing in your opinion, we can do as an individual to make the greatest impact on how the world is going.

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Butch: I think that's a great question. To be honest with you. When we look as an individual, what can we do to make the most impact

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Butch: is actually, as Gandhi would say, be the change that we want to see in the world. So that means, you know, learning to eat healthier learning to be able to move our bodies better, so that we do hit our 65, 75, 85th birthdays we can still do and be productive in the world, and as we set that as an example, other people will follow us, and as they do that we make the world a healthier place, but also more productive place.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Productive for longer. I see I see people aging, and my own dad. He's in his eighties now, and he's still doing Tai Chi, and he's got a girlfriend, and they're always on the move. But he's always stayed active. And he.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you know, I think it's a really it's a big deal. So how? How does your stretching technique, which I think is really fascinating, helping people get control of? You know, we all get these aches and pains as we get older, and it's like, but

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: according to you, we don't have to like, just live with it.

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Butch: Exactly. Well, and that's the mistake that most people make. We've been told most of our lives that wait till you hit 40. Wait till you hit 50. That's when the aches and pains are going to kick in, and we sort of set ourselves up to look forward to that which is kind of crazy when you think about it.

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Butch: The thing is is that what happens is we start losing muscle mass at about age 30,

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Butch: and as as we become more and more sedentary in our lifestyle, that muscle mass seems to go away from us. The lack of movement and the lack of strength then causes us to become more stressed. And so now, all of a sudden, we do something out of the ordinary. And oh, my gosh! Tomorrow my back hurts my shoulder, hurts my foot, hurts my knee, hurts, you know, or all of the above at the same time. Okay, so what happens is that once the brain who's totally in charge of your muscles.

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Butch: Once it has a feeling that I can get up and walk across the floor, and I'm not going to feel pain.

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Butch: The body then releases, because there's no fear.

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Butch: If I get up and my back hurts, which it did when I was 40 years old, and that's what got me into this business.

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Butch: I get up, and I'm anticipating my back, hurting my body's going to become rigid because it's preparing for the pain due to the brain, sending it instructions to do so. So when you get into traditional stretching, most people that we've been taught in school, they teach us. You pull as long as you can and as hard as you can, because we're fighting with our muscles, and we're going to lengthen these muscles back out. Well, the truth of the matter is that the muscles are attached on both ends.

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Butch: We're not lengthening the muscle. Think of a rubber band that's a certain length, and then we twist that rubber band, and it gets a little bit shorter between our fingers. What we're actually doing and everything that we think, feel and do in our lives over our lifetime is that we're tightening that rubber band down the whole time by using the brain and releasing that tension. You start to release the tension, as you just place the muscle into a position to allow it to let go.

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Butch: So instead of all that fighting, what you're really doing is creating brain breaks by calming the mind which now calms the body.

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Butch: and everybody looks at me like I'm crazy when I say that. But I said, Okay, so think about the last time you were angry, how tight was your body? You're ready to fight. You're ready to hit somebody. Okay, versus the last time you sit and had a cup of coffee with a friend. How calm were you then all that changed was your state of mind.

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Butch: but your muscles follow suit.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's really interesting

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: concept that your mind has so much impact on how your body is doing. And it's really becoming more of a thing where our

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: we're. We're trying to connect the mind and body, the mind, body connection, whereas for so long people would go around and everything was in your head and your body was just this thing that you know you had to deal with, but didn't really matter. But we're finding more and more that your emotions. They drive your hormones and your hormones are what cause things to happen in your body, and it's just like

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it kind of brings me around to. How long does it take for this to actually take effect?

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Butch: That's a great question. The toughest part is learning how to relax the mind. Everybody's focused on the body, but it's relaxing the mind

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Butch: once. You understand that I have to relax my mind and make that happen. It usually takes no more than a few days. I mean, I've had people come in with things like plantar fasciitis, that in 24 to 48 h they would contact me, letting me know it was gone, or they may have low back pain, you know, and the other side of that coin is is understanding how the body works. For instance, if you get up out of bed in the morning, and you have severe, low back pain. But you walk around and it goes away.

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Butch: You don't have a back problem. You have a thigh problem.

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Butch: And it's like once you understand that the muscles in the thighs have tightened from either sitting for long periods of time, whether it's from your job, or you sit in recliners watching TV, or whatever the case may be, that that front of your thigh will tighten. That'll pull the pelvis forward, increase the compression lower part of your back and cause pain. You can stretch your back from now to the end of time, and you're not going to solve your back problem. But if you stretch the front of your quads on the front you'll solve that in a couple days.

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Butch: That blows everybody's mind away.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That is really interesting. My husband was a truck driver for 28 years, and he has neuropathy in his feet. It's not really bad, and it's not diabetic. They don't know what causes it, and I'm wondering if it doesn't have something to do with a muscle

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: somewhere that's like not doing what it should be doing.

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Butch: More than likely more, I mean, the funny thing is is, when I was at University of South Florida, and I started talking about this to my anatomy professors. They right off. The bat wanted me a to teach the class, but number 2, they wanted me to write a paper about it, using peer reviewed studies. And when you start looking at studies on the muscles themselves.

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Butch: some studies would say we had 640, others would go as high as 703, which tells me we don't really know how many muscles you have. Number one.

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Butch: Nobody talked about the brain's role with the muscles, and we all go into fight or flight. If someone's chasing me, and I feel like I'm in danger. I'm not going to get hungry. I'm not going to need to go to the bathroom. I'm certainly not going to be relaxed. I'm going to be running for my life. You see, what caused that my brain anticipated pain and is getting me out of danger, called fight or flight. Every one of us deals with that.

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Butch: and for some reason, when I talk to professionals, that combining of the psychology with the physiology.

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Butch: they seem to have a hard time with that.

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Butch: And it's like, but we're both. We're psychology, and we're physiology. And and it has to. And the muscles have to be at the mercy of the brain. So that if we get in trouble we go into fight or flight, it can save our lives. Otherwise what would stop one leg from going right and one leg from going left, and then you'd be in a pickle, you see.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That wouldn't be pretty.

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Butch: Would not be pretty.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So why do you think most more people haven't really recognized this technique?

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Butch: I think that the 2 reasons, I think, number one. There's not enough studies on it and research on it. And I've been begging people for years who are in the research to anybody who wants to come and work with me and really understand that to produce that would be awesome. I think number 2 is, we haven't been given the permission from the education gods. That would say, Yeah, this is great, you know, because they don't have anything to back it up.

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Butch: That was the thing we were looking at in peer reviewed studies is, can I find peer reviewed studies to back it up? 99% of the studies on muscles was about strength training. And that's because it's easy. You can measure it. You can. You can see the differences when we start talking about stretching, and you start talking about emotions, it's really hard to measure the emotions.

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Butch: And now it becomes subjective. So you know, what was that person's past like have they been through emotional traumas that may set up some of this? You know, you may have fallen when you were 5, and and your brain is still somehow hanging on to that, so that every time you get in a certain position you have a back pain or a knee pain or a hip pain, and over time living with that trauma now that can wear the joint down or wear the disc down in your back.

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Butch: I mean, if you think about a quadriplegic who has no use of their muscles. And I've asked doctors this question. You ever known a quadriplegic to have a bulging disc, herniated disc or pinched nerve. Not a single doctor's ever said to me, I've seen somebody like that.

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Butch: And so that leads that comes back to. Then our bones can't move without the muscles. If my brain is fully charged all the time and it's running, running, running, running, I'm basically in fight or flight all the time, because I've got 10,000 appointments to hit every day. My muscles now are in a tense spot which is going to compress the bones closer together, which is going to pinch on nerves and blood vessels and so forth.

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Butch: cannot be good for us to do that. And when I've seen people that are 70, 80, 90 years old that I've worked on. They've had artificial hips, artificial knees, broads in their back and so forth.

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Butch: Once they get through the rehab of their surgery. Then my next job with them is to help them get through the trauma of it

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Butch: and release that so they can go back to work.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I've heard that. Your body, if it's in pain for long enough, just

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it accepts the pain, even though the underlying condition may have already healed. Your body is just so used to the idea of pain that you still experience the pain, even though the trauma is no longer

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: there.

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Butch: Right? So in other words, like, I work with somebody with a knee replacement, a hip replacement which you see, a lot of those you don't just typically go into your doctor on Friday morning and say, Doc, I woke up my hip was hurting, he says, come back at 3. We'll replace it. It's usually months and months before you get there. Okay, so what happens is that the brain then readjusts your muscles, and how you walk and how you stand to have as little pain as possible.

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Butch: And so that's what we set up is called a new normal. So then you start to do this new normal, and then 3 months, 4 months, 6 months down the road it starts to lock in that. This is the way I walk. Well, what you'll see is that they'll go in. They'll put a new hip in. They'll put a new knee in person, comes, goes through the rehab, come back out. They have the same limp that they had when they went in.

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Butch: and the doctors are frustrated because they're like, wait a minute. I put a brand new joint here. Okay? And everybody who's had that replacement. Most of them will say to me, Yeah, but that's my bad hip, and I go. No, no, that hip's a week old that hips 2 weeks old. Okay, that's a brand new hip, you know. But what happens is that now you have to retrain the brain through the different stretches, and so forth, to let them see that now we need another new, normal.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Fascinating.

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Butch: It is fascinating. Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Fascinating. I.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Our our brains are so good.

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Butch: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: At at regulating our bodies, and and then we try to like

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: stick stuff in there artificially, which also can like

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it. It has another reaction, and it isn't always the one that we want. We call them side effects.

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Butch: Right, right.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But it just there's the body is just so amazing.

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Butch: Well, and I try to put it in very simple terms, because if I'm not careful you can become overwhelmed fast. Okay, so one of the best things to think about with your body is the muscle system in your body which is controlled by the brain.

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Butch: is like a pedestal that's there to balance your head. If your head gets out of balance you'll fall down

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Butch: right? So when you think about the muscle system in the human body, the brain is controlling it so that you don't fall down. So when you stand up, the brain has a neural pathway that laid down, that says these are the muscles. I need to balance myself as I stand up. Okay. Now, this next set of muscles. I need to walk to the door. Okay? So as the brain is going through this process, people think well, that's muscle memory

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Butch: and the misconception there is that the muscle itself has a memory memory. In fact, I had a doctor years ago who challenged me on it, and I said so. We know that someone when they have a stroke. He happened to be a cardiologist has a stroke. There's damage to the brain. Right? Yes.

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Butch: I said, okay. So if there's damage to the brain and the muscle in my arm. Has memory yet the damage to the brain stops my arm from moving. What happened to the muscle memory in my arm? If the muscle in my arm. Has memory. Why wouldn't it just remember to do whatever it does?

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Butch: And he kind of looked at me and laughed. And he's like Touche.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Where do you go from? There.

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Butch: Right? Right? So so. But that. But that's the thing is to understand that what people regard as muscle memory, it's just that your brain has done it so many times. When I was in high school kid, I would shoot 200 free throws every single day, and I got to the point. I could close my eyes and just hit 1015, 20 free throws without even opening my eyes, because the muscle the brain

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Butch: had literally laid down this neural pathway to know exactly what muscles, exactly, how much pressure to put to put the ball in the basket every time.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it works on like everything that we do. You know that as a child you learn

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: like, for instance, my daughter, she's really good at Karate. And she talks about muscle memory, and it's like you've just done this so many times. Your body knows what it's supposed to do, which is probably.

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Butch: This.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah.

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Butch: Great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Brain knows what to tell your body to do, I should say, which is probably why there's an exercise you can do when you're learning new things where you practice in your head.

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Butch: Yes.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And it's really effective.

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Butch: Yes, you always. People say, you know, if you can see it, you can do it, and you know you've heard it in a secret you've heard in all the different things that are out there, and it's like you 1st have to be able to visualize where where you're going and what you're doing. Once you can see it, then it becomes real

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Butch: whether it's received or not. You see, all the body does is just follow.

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Butch: and so for me to run 10 miles. I can see me doing. I can see me getting to the end now. My brain has to instruct my body to just go do it.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And all the bazillion little things that have to happen between start and finish.

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Butch: Yeah. Yeah. And so it's like, you know, for when it comes to the stretching and even to the self massage, it's like.

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Butch: once you 1st understand how to do it. It seems very foreign.

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Butch: but once you get it, it becomes very easy. I mean, I said, it stoplights, and I'm waiting for them to turn green, and if my neck feels stiff I can stretch my neck. I can stretch my shoulders out in my car. I can be walking through a doorway and stretch my shoulder out, or whatever. But the thing is is you make it little habit. Things, I mean. Think of a dog or cat they stretch every day several times a day.

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Butch: They don't have a special room. They don't have a special machine. They don't have special clothes. They just get up, do a downward dog shake their butts, and they leave. Okay.

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Butch: that's the same concept that humans have to get into as well. It is an everyday thing doesn't mean that you have to go to some gym class somewhere and do 42 different stretches every single day.

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Butch: You can do them setting at home. And and that's the thing that I teach people. So I do these online as well as in person. And it's like getting people to understand. All they need is like a yoga strap or a piece of rope that's about 8 foot long and a tennis ball. We don't need a ball that sings to us vibrates, brings us coffee, whatever the case may be. Just need a plain old tennis ball. Okay? And once you learn how to use it.

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Butch: You'll be amazed at no matter what age you are, how much better you'll feel, I mean, at 40 years old I would literally crawl out of my car on my hands because I had back pain so bad no one could seem to help me. I just lost 105 pounds started working on that gym because I'd been an athlete and a trainer before, and I got myself back in shape, looked really good, felt really bad, and I would crawl out of my hands and pull myself up by the door handle at 65. I haven't any pain at all.

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Butch: I am, but it won't.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I actually have a similar story. After having a lot of children, I had had my 3rd child, and my hips didn't go back right, and I actually had to crawl around on the floor. I was dragging my child around on the floor because I could not stand up, and it was.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It was awful, and it was really back before chiropractors were a real prevalent thing, I mean, every day. Now, everybody you can get into a chiropractor like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But back in those days I lived in San Diego, and it was. It was hard to find a chiropractor that would see you and so I did eventually get it. Get it all adjusted. But you know, having back pain like that, it's not an insignificant thing.

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Butch: No, it's not. And when you talk about having a child, I mean the changes that happens in your body to make that happen. I have several young ladies that I work on pre-delivery

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Butch: to get their bodies ready for that, you know, and you know I've seen guys who've gone in for prostate surgeries and whatever come out with back pain, and it's like understanding that before you go through a trauma like that, and it is even though it's childbirth, it is a trauma.

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Butch: and before you go through a trauma like that, if you can know ahead of time the positions you're going to be in the tightening of the front of your thighs, the inner thighs, and so forth, and then the tightening of the hips coming back, and you can prepare those so that they start to be stretched out. Prior to that.

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Butch: It is amazing how much faster the recovery is unbelievable to talk about that.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: No, they don't. And the the advent of you know, painkillers.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: it really just like then your brain is like, I know, all these things are happening. But I'm not getting any feedback.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: so I don't. I don't know what's really happening. And so we're just gonna like Flood, all of these hormones in there, and hope for the best.

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Butch: Well, exactly. I mean people, you know, when you have pain, when you feel the pain, even though it appears to be from your knee or from your elbow. The pain is actually really felt in the brain. And so, by doing the different blocks and the different anesthesias, you actually block off the signaling from that area of your body to the brain as they cut your leg off literally to replace the knee, for instance, and your brain is not even aware that's happening.

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Butch: And so it's like, all right. So you can numb the pain. We're very good at doing that. We chase symptoms and not causes, and we numb pain. But the thing is is that if the brain is not aware, it can't take care of you.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And that's where people wind up hurting themselves even worse.

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Butch: Take some time. I'm going to take this. I'm going to my doctor. Give me this inflammatory whatever, and it's like. All right. Understand that when you go have pizza every night, or you go out drinking beer and so forth. You're creating inflammation in your body which is going to make that pain worse, sitting around and resting all the time, is going to make that pain worse.

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Butch: Understand what you have a role to do here, and when it comes to muscles. And when going to university levels on the anatomy, we really talk about the names of the muscles. Where do they attach? Where do they insert, and what do they move on the big picture

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Butch: we don't talk about? How can my 4 calf muscles, when they're tight, create head forward, posture, neck and shoulder problem because my stride is too short. We don't talk about how wearing fixed sole shoes will prevent my ankles from bending and cause low back pain or knee pain.

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Butch: Those are the things that we're missing in the muscle world that I've had conversations with high ranking physicians that I've been frankly amazed as we talk

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Butch: that there were, and they would always say, I always learn something when I'm around you, and I walk away, and it's like, Oh, my God! This guy forgot more in medicine than I know, you know.

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Butch: and just very decorated people. But it's not part we study.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They, they compartmentalize things.

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Butch: Everything.

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Butch: So so it's like, you've got the foot guy, the knee guy, the hip guy, the spine guy. If we could just get the 4 of those guys in the same room so that somebody can say, Well, wait a minute. If you do that to the knee, you're going to mess up my foot or you're gonna mess up my back. That's what we really need. We've got.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The brain guy.

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Butch: Yeah, yeah, we got the specialists. We just need somebody who can put this together. But even like in massage therapy, one of my 1st degrees were in neuromuscular and sports massage.

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Butch: Nobody talks about that, even in massage therapy. They teach you the massage protocols. We're going to do a Shiatsu, a Swedish massage, a neuromuscular massage. But nobody talks about how this part of my body can create a problem in that part of my. And so once you understand that the body from the muscle system is balancing front to back, side to side.

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Butch: Now, all of a sudden, when you get a pain on the left side 9 times out of 10 the cause is on the right side. If it's on the back side, it's on the front side.

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Butch: And so when I look at a human body there's 4 major stretches that I would say everybody should do every day. That's the calf stretch which let me clarify that that's not dropping your heel off of a step. It's not leaning against the wall. It's not slanting and standing on a slant board that is not a calf stretch at all. Number one, you have 4 calf muscles. And so what people do, what they typically call a calf stretch is an Achilles tendon stretch

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Butch: those 4 calf muscles, control the foot laterally, vertically and rotationally. So as a golfer. If his calves and hamstrings are tight, he's going to have back pain, but everybody's going to treat his back. Nobody's going to go down below.

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Butch: Then the other one is the quad. Stretch the front of the thighs because we sit a lot in our cars and jobs that we have and so forth. That's going to create some tension in the lower back and outside chest muscles in front of the neck. They'll tighten because we're on computers. We're driving and so forth. That'll cause pain in the mid back and back of the neck.

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Butch: going to the back of the neck and going to the mid back and having someone beat you silly with beat tissue massage is not going to solve your problem, because that's not where it's caused. It's always on the front side.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Fascinating.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You have.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: newsletter that you share with people that can kind of give them a taste of what you're talking about here, and how they can implement it.

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Butch: Absolutely so. Every every Tuesday I put out a newsletter. It's called the Tuesday Afternoon Tips, and in that newsletter I will discuss specific ailments that people have. Talk about what it is. Talk about. Why do traditional treatments either fail or fall short? And then

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Butch: how can stretch and release technique help you with that, plus. I accompany it with 3 videos that you can follow easily follow. And what I did with the videos is, I did a 2 camera shot so that you can get overviews as well as side views. So you can really get a good picture of what's going on there. And that's a good way of helping you pick up on little things plantar fasciitis, low back, pain, mid back pain. Whatever the case may be, elbow tendonitis, you can get rid of in 30 min, and it's like that's insane.

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Butch: And and that's.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Crazy.

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Butch: It is crazy. But the thing is is that is that as you, as you read these newsletters, you can start building a little library with them. I also have about 170 free videos on my Youtube channel at the Muscle Repair shop

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Butch: that again dives into specific things. And then it shows you in those videos how to do those stretches to help that back out. So I've got a lot of free stuff that I give out just to give people a taste of what I'm talking about, and then, if they want to dive more, they're welcome to contact me. We can talk by zoom, if they're not in my town, and or they can come visit me here either way.

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Butch: and we can talk about what's going on, what are possible effects, and so forth. I mean some things you may hear me say, and you go. What what did he just say, you know, but it's going to be different from a lot of people. Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's fascinating, and people can get a hold of you at musclerepairshop.com, and we'll be sure and put that link in the show notes, and we will put the link to the newsletter which they can find on your website.

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Butch: Exactly right. There's a little pop up on the website that'll come up as well. Oh, also, don't forget I got a book that I wrote it was published last fall. It's literally a manual that talks about nutrition as well as traditional treatments. It has specific parts about different parts of the body and how stretch and release can work it. And in the book there are QR codes that you can scan. That will take you to videos to help follow in the book.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's fascinating. So we'll put the link for that in there, too.

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Butch: Yeah, that's that's on Amazon. Help yourself. And if you bought on Amazon, please fill out a review. I love reviews on Amazon. Let me know what you think.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us, but this has been a fascinating conversation.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Me, I've enjoyed it. Thank you, thank you.

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