So How much is that?

Hey there, and welcome to the Podcast Editor's

Mastermind early edition. That's right. We started a few

seconds early today because we saw somebody was online and we're like, hey, we can

join them. So, Patrick, we know you're watching already. It's great to have you.

Today's show, we're gonna talk about portfolios. And this show

will be partially powered by AI, and you'll know more about that as we get

to the end of it. But we get to use the AI word today, so

we're pretty happy about that. Before we dig into this, we'll do quick introductions.

I'm Bryan. You can find me at toptieraudio.com and over here.

Jennifer Longworth of Bourbon Barrel Podcasting. Well, my new logo behind me

if you're watching live. Yeah. It looks really pretty. In fact, for those of you

that are listening to the podcast, of course, you can always join us live, or

we do actually stream this to Facebook and YouTube. You can watch the video

later if you really want to. Now, today, we're gonna talk

about portfolios, and I think this

is gonna be fun. This is something that I don't really consider myself a super

big expert in, so I did a little bit of research. But this is something

that we see popping up from time to time in the Facebook groups. Like, how

do I build a portfolio? Do I even need a portfolio? So we're gonna talk

about that. Unable to join us tonight are Carrie Caulfield, who you can

find at carrie.land, and Daniel Abendroth, who you can find at

rothmedia.audio. As we go through this, we would love to have

your comments, not just about, hey, we love you. Although, Patrick, if you have

comments or questions, we would love to have that be part of this as well

because we wanna make sure this is valuable for you, but also that this

features you because we realized that neither of the 2 of us have all the

answers. In fact, we were talking beforehand about how in this

particular thing, there's really not one right answer. So it doesn't matter what we say.

We can still be wrong. So congratulations to us. On the

portfolios, I thought probably the first thing to do is just talk about what is

a portfolio. I think we all generally know, but we just

wanted to make sure that we we talk about that. So when we're talking about

a portfolio, we're talking about some kind of demonstration of your

work. If you've gone to a photographer's website, a lot of times they'll have

a gallery. Right? That's their portfolio. We're talking about that

for podcast editor. And really, you know, like, what's a

portfolio? How can you build a portfolio? What are some different strategies

as well as like, what are some of the hurdles or the roadblocks? So my

first question, I'm gonna ask Jennifer. I'm gonna put her on the spot since she

said I could host. Jennifer, does a portfolio even matter for

a podcast editor? I say no.

And the reason I say no is because people hire me

without asking for examples of my work. So either

they found it without asking or they don't care.

So my answer is no. Word-of-mouth and testimonials

go farther. Okay. And just for the sake of the conversation,

I will take the opposing view of saying, I think they matter. I

think that there are some people that do want a demonstration of what you can

do. That's maybe not the clients that Jennifer's getting, or maybe because it's

word-of-mouth, they've already heard a show that she's worked on. So I would actually pause

it that some people are hearing your unofficial portfolio before

they ever hire you. Right. They've heard a show that you've worked on or something

like that. And so I

But I think they matter. Jennifer says no, that's great. In the comments, if

you disagree with either of us, you're certainly welcome to share that. Or if you

have a slightly different perspective, because we do want to feature your perspectives here as

well. So I think a portfolio matters. But the

question I think is why? And I think that comes to the whole comfort level.

Right? So if I go to and I'm gonna use a terrible example. But if

I go to a copywriter's website, I'm going to wanna see examples

of what they've done and how their creative work

is generating results. And a lot of times, that's going to be not only how

well is their website laid out, because if they're a copywriter, hello, you should have

a good website, sort of what you do. But also, how can I know

that it delivers results? As a podcast editor, I know that I

can deliver results for my clients, but my prospective

clients wanna know that, especially if they're not coming to me as a referral.

Right? I think that's also, Jennifer, why your particular

clients maybe don't value your or value having a portfolio on

your website quite as much. But those are my thoughts. I've never had

someone come into me and go, oh my gosh. I loved your work on women

changing leadership. I wanna hire you. Yeah. That's fair.

I mean, this is fun. Right? We're taking the opposite approach, and I'm I'm trying

to think through both because in truth, I'm actually in the camp that it kind

of matters. Right? I don't think it matters all the time. Right. I

mean, it could matter. It it also depends on

like what style of show you're doing. I

don't touch audio drama. If I were looking

for an audio drama editor, I might wanna know more

about their sound design. Oh, and then how they

use the music and the effects and all the things. I don't go

there. If you want a audio drama editor, I'm

gonna send you to Steve Stewart to ask him to post it somewhere and

get you an editor. Because I don't even know anybody who does that. And,

like, narrative, I tried narrative once. I don't do narrative. It's

a different skill set kind of that you gotta be pickier about. And I

think that speaks a little bit to some of the challenges also

for a a podcast editor who's wanting to build a portfolio.

Again, take the perspective that a a portfolio matters.

But as a person also who goes to websites that have a portfolio

and honestly, for an editor, it's really hard to

work with a portfolio that's been presented. And I think

that's because, in my mind, the portfolio

for a podcast editor or any kind of audio editor actually

has different challenges than the portfolio for

a graphic designer or a photographer or a a videographer.

And the reason is because when I go to a website of a photographer and

I check out their gallery or their portfolio, it's a very fast

thing. Right? Because the entire picture is there

at once. And the challenge for a podcast editor is, like, my

portfolio page is, I think, 3 episodes of different shows that I've

worked on. Like, if you wanna hear examples of my work, these are things I've

worked on. They're real shows. They're really shows I've worked on. People paid me for

this work, but each one is 30 to 45 minutes long. I think

that speaks to a specific challenge. And I think that there are some potential

strategies to deal with that. That and the lack of any kind of

visual representation to go with it is kind of like the 2 big hurdles that

I see for a podcast editor wanting to do that. And to

Steve's point, as I'm jumping ahead, the sign of a great editor is you don't

know they were there. This, I think, is the third challenge if I can go

there. Right? Is I could post for

you a show that was recorded perfectly and for which I did

essentially nothing. But because it was a good recording, right, if I

use the music industry, if I got great stems to start with

and all I did was a really quick mix and master, you'd never know that

I'm actually an idiot and I have no idea what I'm doing. I just managed

to not ruin it. Whereas I'm gonna throw Zoom under the bus for a

second. If I get a Zoom recording with 3 people that can't string a sentence

together to save their life, and I turn into some that into something that's coherent

and listenable, that's actually a lot more work, but it's probably not gonna get me

a client because it's still gonna smell and sound. Smell. It's still gonna sound

like a Zoom recording. Yeah. And so that's where choosing what goes in

your portfolio is super critical. Right? I think it's not just whether or not you

have one, but also choosing. I'm gonna shut up because I've talked a lot. Jennifer,

what would you like to say? Well, my quote portfolio

is just say my current clients include

on my website. I think somebody said in the comments something about

having it before and after. And I had one of those on my website

while it didn't matter. I mean, it was a challenge

and I'm still in the no one cares. As far as

mine. Jennifer says no one cares. We're done. Yeah.

Not now we're done. I'm listening. I'm listening. And I see I see Patrick

commented that he just thinks they sound fun. Yeah. And they

can. This is where I would go with these. It depends. Right?

If what you have is an hour of, 2

PhDs talking about a topic that you don't care about, nothing against

PhDs or a particular topic, but that might be a very disengaging

portfolio. I don't know how you turn that into a sales pitch.

Well, I've got some strategies that we might get to later. Were there any other

comments that stood out to you, Jennifer? There are a lot of comments. Boom. Boom.

Boom. Steve says he's here to listen to both sides. So that's

good. Perfect. Tim, for as long as I can remember, a demo reel

has always been used. They're easy to create. What would be the

downside to offer? So that's a great point. Right? So we're talking about

portfolios as though they're a full episode, right, or

a series of full episodes. The reality is, with

permission from the client, I suppose they don't have to be. Right?

Demo reel, a sizzle reel, that's actually something that

I've considered and I have as a potential strategy. I think it's Steve who

typically talks about having it before and after. I think Daniel may have written something

in the notes knowing that he wasn't able to be here just to give us

something smart to say. That demo reel could potentially have

I don't know how to build one. Right? I I think about, like, what a

station a radio station might put together. Maybe it's something like that with

sound effects and all that stuff, but then also some before and afters. I think

that could be a really powerful thing. Yeah. I don't know. I I like the

idea of a demo maybe even more than I like a portfolio page. I don't

know. What do you think, Jennifer? If it's really like succinct,

I guess, or like to the point instead of listening to

talking heads for an hour to see that you made them sound less boring.

I don't know. Or not.

Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, the demo reel's a great idea. I think

there and there I don't know that there is a downside other than just

especially if you're talking about before and after, making sure that you're not

throwing your client under the bus and revealing that they actually can't string a

sentence together to save their lives. That's always kind of the the moral

hurdle for me is to go. My commitment to my clients is always to leave

the garbage on the cutting room floor. I really feel weird about putting it back

into a demo reel. Yeah. So Patrick's asking lots of

questions. The most recent one, you be couldn't have demos

in a portfolio? I think you absolutely could. I was thinking full

episodes. Demos or Demo Reel is absolutely, I think, an

option to do that. In fact, when we asked this on Facebook,

because we asked this in the Podcast Editor Mastermind Facebook group, One of

those things was, I think, Tim in the group actually shared a

demo reel that he had put together on his website, And

that's definitely an option. In his case, he just say save some audio to

SoundCloud, and that was his demo reel right there. But, yeah, I think that's definitely

an option. Okay. Patrick also says, as a contractor, I need

to figure out what's involved in using my work as samples.

There's a network host guest or need permission from all parties

or no? Yeah. So I think this is where I put on my not a

lawyer hat. My first question would be, is there anything in the

contract that specifies one way or the other? If you have specified in your

contract that you're able to do that, then I think the answer would be yes.

How far that goes? I don't know. If the contract says no, we have a

nondisclosure in place or we don't reveal work producer that's not,

like, whatever that would might be, then the answer would be no. If it's not,

I think it's a conversation. Maybe you're able to go to them and go, hey,

because I think you've been, I know Patrick, you've been a few months now with

what I think is probably your first client. Maybe you just go to them and

say, Hey, are you happy with my work? I'd love to find more clients like

you. Could I put together a demo reel or put together something

based on the work that I've done for you to highlight your show and

also maybe give them, just let them know, Hey, I'll let you listen to it

first, make sure that I'm not putting anything out that you don't want to go

out. But, you know, I'd like to highlight your show. I love working on your

show. I'd like more clients. And maybe there's a way that I hate to use

the word spin, but maybe there's a way you can frame that up to make

that valuable for them. That's actually what I did to get permission to put the

clients on my portfolio page is, hey, do you mind if I feature you on

my website? My contract says I can do this, but I

also don't wanna break the relational part of it because I can

manage to a contract, but I think the relationship is the more important thing to

maintain. And if they say, no, I'm not comfortable with that, I don't wanna go

back to them and say, well, the contract says I can, so I'm just gonna

do it. I wanna honor them because they're valuable people. And

honestly, if I don't, they won't be a client for a very long time. Okay.

So I wanna hit Jesse's comment because he says I'm kind of

thinking prospects are generally looking to see that others have paid

you to do the work social proof links to your work should be enough, which

is kind of what I have on my website. It's like, here are

some shows that people have paid me to do this. I don't think

any of the non payers are on the website. That's interesting. And I

appreciate you putting that up, Jesse, because I'd never really thought about just

linking to the work being enough. I've always wanted to actually

include the episode on the website, but yeah, that's, I

think another viable strategy, as long as you have permission to share that

you work on the show, which you probably do linking there, I think that that

would be great. And also, you know, if I think about SEO and the

value for the client, it points them right there. If somebody is coming

to check you out, you're actually pointing people to that client's website, whether

they are the ideal audience or not. Maybe there's a connection to be made

there. So, yeah, maybe that's also a benefit for them. Yeah.

True. Patrick also said, I think you could just describe what

the product was before giving the after so you can have

a different category of samples. I love that.

And this is where my crazy brain goes a little bit nuts. Because when you

say describe it, I'm thinking, like, putting up a picture of a dumpster fire.

Right? I I know that's not what you mean. Some of them are,

but, you know Yeah. I think that's good. I had a guy say it 11

times in a row once, and then I cut that out, and it sounded a

lot better. I don't want to, like, put that original on because he sounded

so horrible. But I could say, like, hey. This guy said it

11 times in a row before I cut it to 1. One thing I've

seen done, and this is sort of like an anti portfolio, and

I don't remember who it was. And even if I did, I probably wouldn't tell

this person's name, but they basically made a demo reel

of only the things that got cut. So it was

like 2 minutes of silly music with, or

yeah, yeah, yeah. So, so it was done really,

really well. And I do wonder as long as you're not throwing somebody

under the bus, if that might be funny, I know that Mike Wilkerson does

that for his clients on their first edit. He sends them what was cut.

So they recognize the value of what they're doing. I don't believe he publishes it.

He's not the person that I had in mind. Maybe something there is with the

anti demo reel. Right? This is what's on the floor. Oh, Patrick says he's done

that before too. I've never done that, but I've always wanted to.

Because to me as an editor, it's really funny when I sit down and I

listen to a minute and a half of umms over circus

music or something. Is that still our, like, official intro music?

Remember when we first started this podcast, is that still,

like, like, someone listens to this?

So Yeah.

That's our very short umura reel from an episode that had a lot

more umms in it than Yes. What made it into the intro. I was like,

I never go back and listen to this podcast. I'm just on it, and I

know what happens here. I'm like, are we still even using that?

I'm wondering. We've talked about building a portfolio as though it's a thing that

goes on your website, but maybe that's not the only option.

Okay. I think that's an option. And honestly, that would be my

preferred option. Right? I wanted to send people to my website, have all the things

there. But let's be honest. If you are

working on a platform like Fiverr or

Upwork or some other marketplace, that body of

work that you've worked on so long as it's available for other people

to see, that can be your portfolio. And that's

a living, breathing list of all the stuff that you've

done. I didn't even know that was a thing. The other thing, especially

for editors like you and me, Jennifer, would be if we're on a service

like Podchaser, making sure that we're credited for

all the work that we've done. Right. I think Steve brought that up

as an option where he just points people to Podchaser and

said, hey. This if you wanna see what I can do, this is where it

goes. I actually took Steve's idea, and I updated my website.

So I've got 3 episodes. And then basically, if you want more, go here, and

it lists everything I've done in Podchaser. Now the unfortunate thing about

that is when it goes there as a person who hosted a couple of

shows that have gone away, has been a guest on a number of shows, and

also has edited across a variety of shows. I

have probably 1500 editor, and not all of

them are episodes that I've edited. If I hosted

a show and I edited the show, I've credited myself twice. And

so what I haven't figured out is how to go to just the editing part,

but that is a way that you can show your body of work for sure.

The other thing, and whether it's on a website or not, I think that

sizzle reel or that demo reel is a viable option. Right?

That's something that I wanna do. High speed video of you doing work. Oh, I

love that, Patrick. I have done those for Instagram. I have

not put one of those on my website. For those that are watching or

listening and don't know what we're talking about, I have, on occasion,

set my iPhone on the desk, pointed at my monitor, and set it to

record a time lapse. So it takes a snapshot every however often it

does. And I'll record 30 minutes of me working on an episode. And when you

play it back, it takes, like, 90 seconds. And it's just all this scrolling around,

cutting, moving, pasting stuff. I had never thought about that

as a portfolio. There's no sound with it, but you could certainly

put sound under it in a video editing program, but it wouldn't be what you're

actually editing, which also means you're not throwing any clients under the bus. For those

that are watching later or listening later, and you, if you wanna reach out to

us, just email us info at podcasteditorsmastermind.com. We'd love to

hear from you on that because this, I think, is one of those things

that can potentially set us apart. And I think my implementation currently

is not. And so I'm taking this as a learner as much as

a person who's brainstormed about this. Well, I'm gonna throw it to Daniel

who's not here, but one of his comments in our our notes was

to include client testimonials in your portfolio,

have clients record testimonials, and turn them into audiograms for the

website, which goes on, like, to what I was saying that and what Jesse

was saying more like the social proof and the referrals or

Yes. So maybe we've been too focused on calling it

a portfolio page. Maybe it's a why should you hire me

and how can I prove to you that I can actually do what I can

do? I like that. I don't think that's gonna fit in a website header bar,

so we'll probably need need to figure out a different word. Jennifer, can you can

you do that for us? I had typed that into chat gpt,

drink and ask. Yeah. So now powered by AI already.

Jennifer is gonna generate for us a website title, hopefully.

So yeah. The basically the why should you hire me page. I love that

because portfolio, social proof testimonials potentially

sizzle reel or demo reel potentially links to all the things you've

done. I like calling it the why should you hire me page. All because

of something that Daniel typed into something and I never read it that way until

you did. Well, thank you. Yeah. I think the question I would have for those

that are joining us in the chat, have you heard anything so far that you

think you might implement? And if so, how are you planning to do that? For

me, I'm planning to change mine to something more like a

why should you hire me page. And I'm probably gonna go for the testimonials before

I do a demo reel. I don't know. Jennifer, what about you? Agreed.

The only thing about my website is that I pay somebody

to, update it for me and I haven't, I don't wanna pay

them. So I'll have to figure out something that doesn't involve updating my

website, like doing a time lapse video for

a reel somewhere. Time lapse video of a reel. Yeah. I

love that. Steve also mentioned, and I hadn't thought about this,

supplying a PDF download of your portfolio to prospects or on your website is

high level professionalism. I don't have a PDF of mine. Jennifer, do

you have a PDF of yours? I have an ebook, but it's

not about it's about how to start a podcast. It's not about my portfolio.

What I send prospective clients is a series of

8 questions to think through before you hire a podcast editor, and they work whether

you're gonna hire me or not. But it's basically just helping them start thinking about,

like, what does success look like? Why am I doing this? What's my budget?

That's what I send. I like the idea also of having a

PDF portfolio or something like that. How do you

PDF audio? We wouldn't PDF audio, but you can

build links in. Right? You can put a click here button. So if you go

to Canva, right, you create an element, you attach a link to it.

Let's see. I'm not sure what order to take these. Okay. Did this do it

in the order in which they came? Tim says, for me, I like to be

able to showcase my recording, editing, and original theme music producer,

and a short 5 to 7 minute demo. Well, you're doing a lot of

things there, Tim. I think that's the one that we had on the Facebook group

from ProTech Music where he had the demo reel or the

the demo was loaded into SoundCloud and had a couple of

different things there. It was really, really, really well done.

So, yeah, I think that's a good one. Jesse says,

I shy away from why should you hire me and focus

more on how can I help you and don't start with saving

them time? They already know that. Yeah. I don't have anything to add

to Jesse's. He's dropping the mic as usual. I love that.

So, Jesse, would you literally call it the what can I help you

page, or would you call it something else? Protechmusic.com/examples.

Thank you, Tim. We will have links to all this stuff in the, episode

notes. I'd never considered the client testimonials page being

part of my portfolio, but I have heard

of, I think I took some sort of sales training once when they

were talking about getting video testimonials of your

clients and like calling them on a zoom call and recording

the 2 of you talking about it together.

Okay. And, then using that for reels

and stuff. But I've never tried that either. I just have, like, little

quotes. My favorite testimonial I have is

we believe in God because Jennifer came work miracles.

That's awesome. It was a Christian podcast, but that's what they

said about me. Jesse says case studies work well

too if you have a bigger story to tell. Yeah. So I think

this one could be really powerful, especially with client

permission. Right? So whether you're working on a storytelling show and

talking people through the process of how you developed a storyline and how you worked

with a client, this could also be this was the audio

we started with. This is how we approached the repair. This was the thought

process that went into the editing and then sort of the before and after. I

think that could be really powerful as well. That's one that makes me

personally a little bit uncomfortable because I feel like I'm kind of airing the

client's dirty laundry if we talk about the challenges. So

I would tread lightly on a personal level. But, hey, case studies

are a big deal. Right? And people don't come to you because they don't have

a problem. Nobody comes to a podcast editor and says, I'd like for you to

edit for me because I've got everything working perfectly and I don't need anything to

change. Right? Right. Patrick says, I mean, really,

your entire website could kinda be considered your portfolio.

It served lots of purposes, I suppose. It does.

Yeah. So have a website, people. Have a website. Yeah. I think

this is where Carrie would normally insert her. If you don't have a

website, set up your basic domain and your basic website.

Mine's on WordPress. Jennifer's is on WordPress. It doesn't have to be right.

It can be a one page website if that's what you need. If what

you have is nothing, that will probably be better than what you have.

Jesse says how you've helped improve their audio through equipment

and training, I guess, going back into case studies and testimonials and

stuff. Yeah. Especially so, Jennifer, this would be great for you with launch clients.

Right? Because you're you're doing a lot of launches right now. This could be

huge because then you can demonstrate that you're not giving the

same advice to every person. Right? A solo show

doesn't necessarily get the same equipment list as a co hosted

in person show versus a co hosted over the Internet

show. They get a little bit different guidance. Yes. Yeah. In

person show, you're probably gonna get them an interface, a proper interface.

And you might give them the same microphones, but you're not gonna say, hey, plug

in 2 USB mics and go to town. No. I I don't tell them that.

Nope. Because you know that. That doesn't work. I love that.

You know, we started talking about portfolios. Now we're just talking about all the things

we should I should have on my website. Oh, is that what

these little notes are? Bryan's taking notes in his shared

Google Docs, and I'm like, what's he doing? He's he's Yeah. I'm taking notes of

all the things that I'm telling myself I might do after we get done

because like I said at the beginning, we didn't come into this thinking we

were experts. Right? We're we're coming. We're bringing what we've got. And some of

you have really brought something to the table tonight as we've been recording this live.

This has been great. What else about portfolios? What what are we not thinking

about? Are there any pitfalls to having a portfolio? I don't

think there would be a pitfall unless you had someone who got mad about

you throwing them under the bus in it. So get permission if you're

gonna do before and afters, I guess. But I don't

see what, like, from a client facing

perspective or whatever. I think the only pitfall

that I see would be and we talked about this with,

Tom Kelly. Tom Kelly. We talked with him about that where when he

started his first editing his first show or a few shows,

they were so bad. The audio quality was so bad even after he got

done that he didn't want them to go on to a any kind of

portfolio. So I think just being careful what you choose

to go in your portfolio can be a really big deal. That's something with a

couple of clients that I have on my portfolio that I had to

wait until I had an episode that I was comfortable putting on my

portfolio. Jesse says pitfalls to before and

after is you could attract clients with unrealistic

expectations or wanting to deliver low quality

audio so you can spend a year working on it.

Yes. I would never publish anything where I'm showing that

I took out goat sounds from an episode. It happened. Right?

But I'm not gonna not gonna create that expectation. That is certainly

something to be careful with. The photographer who decided to

document her whole episode by having throughout the

whole thing. Well, every time the flash went off. Yeah. I don't wanna

encourage people to do that. Yeah. Or maybe when you've got a a metronome

going off in a band, Editor

has some skills with metronomes. Let's hit Steve's comments.

So Steve's comment is that what he's gathering is that portfolios don't matter as

much as having a website, a media kit, and or testimonials and

client recommendations. I think for the bulk of us,

I would agree with you, Steve. I think the only time when a

portfolio might be more important than testimonials or recommendations

might be when you're not getting referrals, when it's

somebody coming and saying, hey, I need to check you out, And I don't have

any other way to do that. But I don't think that's most of us. And

as Patrick says, he thinks it's obviously probably more valuable or worth the time and

effort if you're a new editor needing clients.

Declining over the last year as multiple shows, let let themselves

go. And you're currently working on brand strategy. Do we know someone like

that? We know one person like that. And, honestly, he's kind

of not moving very fast, but he's been very thankful for all the

help he's gotten so far. And that's me. Jennifer, anything else we

need to hit on portfolios? We've gotten all of the thoughts that I

had and several that I didn't have. Yeah. And several Daniel had.

So thanks for being with us in spirit, Daniel. Yeah. For those

that have commented, we're very thankful. We're now going to move on to the

powered by AI portion of this show. Jennifer, do you wanna explain what's

happening and why? As you may or may not realize, if you've

listened to the show for any amount of time, we typically when we get to

this point, we go to our pod decks question of the day. We have

been through the deck, and we're getting repeats and having to throw out questions

because they're not appropriate and all the things. So we have

decided to come up with the chat

GPT question of the day instead powered by AI.

If you are currently drinking a water like I am, this is your this is

your chance to take a drink because we said AI and chat GPT. Jennifer is

the chat GPT maven, so she's gonna tell us what our question

is. Well, I editor chat GPT, give me a

random question. And here's the question. What

would you do if you found yourself in possession of a

mysterious antique key with no idea what it

unlocks? Those of you joining us live, we're interested in what you would

do, especially if you host a show about creepy and

mysterious things. I don't host one of those shows,

but I'm thinking that I would probably have to take that key

and put it in a wooden case with a velvet lining and very

carefully close the clasp and put it on a shelf where I

could view it and be interested in it. And if I ever got

the courage, maybe start walking around and take the key very carefully

out of the wooden case with velvet lining and stick it into

various locks until I find out what it opens. And then probably runaway

screaming realizing that I wouldn't want to see what's behind that door anyway.

Editor. My daughter's favorite movie is Coraline. So

that's the key key that went to my head, first of all, and

and it took her to creepy other dimension. So I'm

like, Yeah. I don't know. She ended up throwing it into a

well. But in

reality, I'd probably throw it in a drawer with all the extra keys and forget

about it. Jesse says that he would sell it on eBay as a lost

relic. Patrick's gonna throw it in the junk drawer. I think with that, we'll go

ahead and close this episode down. We're done a few minutes early. But our

commitment to you is we will try to bring as much value as we can

and then go away once we're not doing that anymore. And I feel like we've

crossed that threshold. We could talk about thresholds and how they got their name, but

that's not the purpose of this show. Well, you know, they ask how

long a podcast should be. Right? You get this question all the time? 2

minutes shorter than ours. Right? No. As long as it

takes to tell the story, not a moment longer nor shorter.

Yes. So for those of you that joined us live, thank you so

much. We really appreciate you being here. Those of you in the comments, we appreciate

your questions and your suggestions. Great stuff coming out of the

comments section. Really glad that you could be here. If you're joining us later

listening, we're glad that you could do that. You can always join us live. We

would love to have you here. Jennifer, if somebody wants to be a guest on

the show or has a suggestion for a topic that we should cover, what would

they do? They could go to podcasteditormastermind.com, click be

a guest, or find us in the Facebooks because, I mean,

this topic came out of the Facebook chat. Behind the scenes, we

do have a running list of possible topics. This was 1, but because

somebody asked, that's why we talked about it. With that, I'm Bryan

Entsminger. If you want to, you can find me at toptieraudio.com, and you can

check out my portfolio there. I'm

Jennifer Longworth. You can find me at BourbonBarrelPodcasting.com.

For those that are wondering, both Daniel and Carrie were not able to join us

tonight. Daniel is at Rothmedia.audio and Carrie is

at carrie.land. And we would love it if you would check them out as well.

You haven't already subscribed to the show, podcasteditorsmastermind.com is

the place for all of that. We love you, and we're really glad that you

were here. And now I'm going to try to hang up. So bye. Thank you

very much. Bye.

So How much is that?

Think it's hanging up. I think it's hanging up. There we go.