Speaker 1 00:00:05 Hey there a thoughtful listener. Are you looking for introductions to partners, investors, influencers, and clients? Well, I've had private conversations with over 2000 leaders asking them where their best business comes from. I've got a free video you can watch with no opt in required, where I'll share the exact steps necessary to be 100% inbound in your industry over the next 6 to 8 months, with no spam, no ads, and no sales. What I teach has worked for me for over 15 years and has helped me create eight figures in revenue for my own companies. Just head to up my influence comm and watch my free class on how to create endless high ticket sales appointments. Also, don't forget the thoughtful entrepreneur is always looking for great guests. Go to up my influence. Com and click on podcast. I'd love to have you. With us. Right now it's Michelle De Filippo. Michelle, you are the founder of 1106 design. You are found on the web at 1106 design.com. That's 1106 design.com. We'll be talking about book publishing.

Speaker 1 00:01:23 Michelle, thank you for joining us.

Speaker 2 00:01:25 Thank you for having me. Josh.

Speaker 1 00:01:26 Well I'd listen I'd love to get an overview of the work you do, who you work with, the authors you work with. And and then we're we're going to, we're going to pick your brain in terms of like the state of the publishing industry as well. I have some I have some questions. But if you could, Michelle, just kind of start with the work you do, who you serve.

Speaker 2 00:01:43 Well, we serve authors who want to independently publish their book, and we give them a full suite of services all the way from manuscript editing to cover design, interior design, proofreading, e-book formatting, and the like. And then we help them upload their files to their own print on demand accounts so that they always keep control of their book. A lot of authors don't know that. You do not have to work with a publisher to self-publish a book. When authors when authors do that, they lose control of their book and they lose a lot of money.

Speaker 2 00:02:15 So we're here. I'm here to remind people that original self-publishing means that you, the author, are the publisher and that you still can keep control of everything and earn the maximum amount of money every time you sell a book.

Speaker 1 00:02:29 Yeah, well, all right, tell us what this is your world. This has been your world for quite some time. Where are we today? We're getting at the very, very end of 2024. Looking at 2025, tell me what has changed or evolved in the book publishing world. And I'm also really curious about demand and consumption as well. I'm really curious about how consumers have adjusted their behavior a little bit.

Speaker 2 00:02:59 Well, I've been in the publishing business since 1972. My first job was at Crown Publishing in New York, in 2001. I started 1106, designed to meet the demand for self-published books. Amazon changed the publishing world. It was an earthquake. All of a sudden, authors did not need to work with any publisher. They could distribute their book to Amazon directly.

Speaker 2 00:03:23 And so that was the greatest freedom that authors had experienced in centuries, really. And so we we that's when we started. And, the company started out small and it just grew time over time as authors requested more services from us. Now, today, we've produced about 4000 books for authors since, since 2001. And we continue to serve Walters. We have a great reputation in the industry and we love I love helping authors, and I want to educate them because the field has become a lot more complicated in the last 20 years.

Speaker 1 00:04:00 Yeah. and so, you know, kind of getting to let's, let's talk a little bit about the future of books. Any ideas like what lies ahead in the years ahead. Because I'm.

Speaker 3 00:04:12 This question all.

Speaker 2 00:04:13 The time.

Speaker 1 00:04:14 Yeah. I'm kind of thinking there's got to be some big changes. I think with, you know, the way that I consume content on I, I still love long form books. but, you know, it's, it's kind of a little bit different for me.

Speaker 1 00:04:28 I'll take your take on this.

Speaker 2 00:04:30 Well, I don't have a crystal ball, of course. Yeah, but I think through, throughout history, every time a new medium comes about, people decide that the old way is is going to vanish, and it never does. Right? Maybe TV was supposed to replace radio, the internet was supposed to replace radio and TV, and yet we still have all of them. And same thing with books. I think a lot of people still love to read real books. Print books or print books are holding their own because everybody's looking at a screen all day and they need some relief at night, or when they want to relax and they open up a print book for that. So I don't I. Of course I don't know, but I, I think reading will always be with us and they will always be a need for a well designed, well edited book.

Speaker 1 00:05:16 Yeah. All right. So what is tell me about, when it comes to now creating a book, what has changed or evolved over the past year or so? And again, where do you see this going? And again, I would imagine there's no way I would write a book like someone would have written.

Speaker 1 00:05:38 I mean, I'm only talking for myself, but there's if I were to start writing a book today, there is no way I would start writing that book in the same way that I would have started writing that book five years ago. Well, there's so many. Well, because there are so many great tools for mind mapping and organizing and, and, you know, again, that kind of leverage, I don't know, just, you know, again, I would still want to work with an advisor, right. to make sure I'm making all the right choices. But, you know, you know, when we think of like the sheer volume of content that needs to be created. I would imagine that a lot of your clients are leveraging tools that maybe weren't available five years ago.

Speaker 2 00:06:18 Well, I think that's true. I think AI is certainly going to make a difference in publishing. My hope, though, is that it's used only for research, and it doesn't become a situation where AI is writing books because authors are unique.

Speaker 2 00:06:32 Every book they write is unique. You bring a unique perspective to the text. You're you're you're creating. And so I think that's really important. And I hope that doesn't go away.

Speaker 3 00:06:42 Yeah.

Speaker 1 00:06:43 Yeah. It's kind of like imagining that everybody would sing with the same tonality if we, you know, kind of ascribe to this singular, singular AI voice. Right. So I recommend this, you know, to leaders like be very careful about that finished product that goes out. Don't ever let that be the voice of AI and not your own voice, Because we can tell. People can tell.

Speaker 2 00:07:09 Yeah. Of course. And sometimes we've all seen eye messages that are wrong.

Speaker 3 00:07:14 Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 00:07:15 Sometimes.

Speaker 3 00:07:17 Yeah. Often. Yeah.

Speaker 1 00:07:19 It's it's it's it's it cheap. It's a cheap way out. And and again part of I think when we're connecting with an author is those experiences is, is the way that they describe it. Like like this is someone who has wisdom, that is sharing this an experience and emotion tied to that.

Speaker 1 00:07:40 You know, most of your, you know, I've interviewed over 2000 people on here and, you know, the way that that content is shared is human to human right. And it feels human. And we feel that human experience. And that, I think, is what humans will always appreciate. Is that human to human connection?

Speaker 2 00:07:59 Yeah. I just actually came across a copyright page statement on in an online update this week where I think it was random House is starting to put a disclaimer on their copyright page that protects the author, and it says this content may not be used to train any AI system.

Speaker 1 00:08:18 Oh, interesting.

Speaker 3 00:08:19 Yeah.

Speaker 2 00:08:19 So I mean, I think that we're on the bleeding edge of this, you know, but but I think every like you said, every author has a voice. And I know when I read a book, sometimes the full value of the book can be delivered in just one point that the author makes. That's unique, that I never heard before. And I, I hope that never goes away.

Speaker 1 00:08:41 okay. So let's talk about what it's like to work with 1106 design. Like how do you help with that process.

Speaker 2 00:08:46 Okay. We start with it. When an author has a completed manuscript that's where we'll we will begin. First step is usually an editorial evaluation so that we determine which level of editing the manuscript needs. Then we'll edit the manuscript at whatever level it needs. We'll design the cover. We'll design the interior pages. A lot of people don't know that's a thing. A book should never be formatted in word. It should be properly designed and typeset. And so we will do that. If we'll proofread after typesetting, we'll make an e-book. And then, like I said, we will upload the files to the author's own print on demand accounts. And that's a that's our crucial difference, because we don't take any money out of the author's pocket when a book is sold, publishers do. And and sometimes I've heard publisher authors making $0.90 every time they sell a book, when they should.

Speaker 3 00:09:42 Be.

Speaker 2 00:09:42 6 or $8 a book. So I, you know, I want authors to know that the original model of self-publishing is still available through companies like mine.

Speaker 1 00:09:53 yeah. And I think most of us though, I mean, unless you're again, did you work with fiction or nonfiction?

Speaker 2 00:10:00 Everything fiction, nonfiction, children's books, textbooks, you name it.

Speaker 3 00:10:04 Yeah.

Speaker 1 00:10:05 And what about the promotion side of a book? Because, you know, I think it would be really frustrating for me to do all of this work, and then it just kind of launches with a thud. Like that would be so demoralizing. If it's something I put my heart and soul into for 6 to 8 months and then, you know, it's just everyone just kind of shrugs when it comes out.

Speaker 2 00:10:26 Well, it's there. Like you said, there's so much content out there, it's hard to break through. But what I do is I introduce my authors to three marketing people that I trust. We also have some do it yourself marketing resources on our website.

Speaker 2 00:10:39 For people who want to roll up their sleeves and do it themselves, they can save a lot of money if they do that. But, a book has to be marketed because nobody's going to find your book online unless you do.

Speaker 1 00:10:51 What does marketing look like? What do you see working well.

Speaker 2 00:10:55 social media works well, but you have to make sure. But you have to make sure you're talking to your target audience. So actually you should identify for nonfiction particularly, you should identify your target audience before you even begin writing the book. Find a problem that a lot of people have solved that problem in your own unique way, and now you have a built in audience that's automatically going to be interested in your book. A lot of authors don't do that. They just write the book that they think is important, and they hope there's a market for it. And and that's kind of putting the cart before the horse.

Speaker 3 00:11:29 Yeah.

Speaker 1 00:11:30 Yeah. Well, is that's a great question. before we embark on this endeavor, what checklist would you give someone who's considering writing a book? And are there any, reasons for writing a book that you might want to maybe have them pause for just a second?

Speaker 2 00:11:52 Well, I would say that whatever they decide to write, I hope they have a unique take on it, because there's thousands and thousands of books on every topic on Amazon.

Speaker 2 00:12:02 So unless you've got something unique to say, you know, give yourself, in other words, give yourself the best chance by having something unique to say.

Speaker 3 00:12:13 And.

Speaker 2 00:12:14 Yeah, actually solving a problem.

Speaker 3 00:12:16 Yeah.

Speaker 1 00:12:17 your website is 1106 design. Com, to a friend that's been listening to us. can you tell me a little bit about. I don't know if you have any. Looks like you have some resources. I, you know, for folks that are interested in this topic, you've got podcast, you've got webinars, you got a blog. to to our friend that's been listening. is there any piece of, like, long form content or resources that you recommend that they take a look at?

Speaker 2 00:12:43 Oh, I hope they explore a lot of our site. We believe in complete transparency. I've got all of my prices on my site. There's no bait and switch advertising with us. You know, you'll see exactly what we charge for every service. We have lots of blog posts. You can download my free ebook published like The Pros, which is just a brief outline of how self-publishing originally started and how it can still be done today.

Speaker 2 00:13:08 If you want to explore that. And I give that away for free on my website you can book a consultation and unlike some people, we will have a respectful phone conversation with you. We're not going to start spamming your inbox with 5 or 6 messages. We don't mark it like that. It's a little bit old fashioned in that regard.

Speaker 1 00:13:30 Well, good. I like old fashioned in that regard. Haha. Yeah, yeah. But you know, again, really exciting. what generally happens in a first conversation if someone is, is pretty serious about this. Like what questions do you ask?

Speaker 2 00:13:45 Well, we'd like to find out about the author and about the book, why they're writing it, so that we can make the best suggestions as to what services they may need. Sometimes we will tell an author, you don't need, some of our services. We always try. We don't force people into packages. We custom design a list of services based on the author and the author's goals.

Speaker 3 00:14:08 Yeah.

Speaker 1 00:14:09 and then, like, do you mind sharing, like, in terms of, like.

Speaker 1 00:14:13 I mean, because there's a lot of ways that you could produce a book and there's certainly ways that listen, it's possible you could possibly do this at near-zero cost and do everything yourself. That's one option. Maybe just watching free YouTube videos or podcasts or something. That's an option, all the way up to full service ghostwriting, you know, and, you know, working with a big name publisher. where do you see, like, investment being that sweet spot for you?

Speaker 2 00:14:43 Well, I'm not objective, of course, but but yes.

Speaker 1 00:14:47 Nobody is. Are you?

Speaker 2 00:14:48 Can you can produce a book cheaply now, but you're not going to get the same results as people who do it every day, right? You're not. And that should go without saying. But I do have to say it now, right? Yes, you can dump your manuscript into some kind of automated system, or you can format it yourself and hire somebody who charges you $50 to produce a book cover. But we work at the traditional publisher level, and that takes a lot of hours on every aspect of of the editing and the design.

Speaker 2 00:15:19 But the results are worth it. You will wind up with a book that you are proud to market and sell, and you will know that you did everything possible to make that book a success. Now, anybody who promises you a bestseller is lying. We never do that. We can't predict the results anymore than even a major publisher can. But if you release the best quality book, then you know you've done everything you can do.

Speaker 1 00:15:46 Yeah, yeah. Yeah, indeed. All right. So your website 1106 design.com Michelle DeFilippo. Sorry I got tongue tied on that one. what do people click on when they're ready for a conversation.

Speaker 2 00:16:02 There's a button on the website, many buttons that say book a consultation. You can you can also reply to the chat bot. You can fill out our contact form. Whatever you happen to see first is fine with us.

Speaker 3 00:16:14 Yeah.

Speaker 1 00:16:15 Excellent. Well, Michelle, again, it's been fantastic, but Michelle DeFilippo, you are again the founder of 1106 design the website.

Speaker 1 00:16:25 1106 design.com. Michelle, thank you so much for the conversation.

Speaker 3 00:16:30 Thank you.

Speaker 2 00:16:30 Jess I appreciate.

Speaker 3 00:16:31 It.

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