00:00:06 Sayan: There's a moment after loss that doesn't get talked about enough. Not the shock, not the grief, but the quiet after. When life keeps moving, you look outwards. But yet you're standing there at the same place, thinking to yourself, okay, who am I now? Or what's your purpose here on earth? So if you have ever felt like that, if you have ever felt like your old life doesn't fit anymore, but you don't know what the new one is yet. This conversation is me.

00:00:39 Sayan: Welcome back to another episode of Healing Horizons, the space where we explore what healing can actually look like when life changes shape. I'm your host, as some of you would know, and today I'm joined by Noah Enos, the author of Dream on How to Create the New Life of Your Dreams after upheaval or loss, and also the creator of Magnetize Your personal brand, a program blending personal transformation with personal branding. So I invite you all to join me on this journey where we will be talking about really how to rebuild from scratch when life has been disrupted. Because, well, that's a story that I think a lot of us could relate to. No matter what point we are in our lives. So I welcome you to the show. It's a pleasure to have you here with me, and I'm excited to see where this conversation flows.

00:01:27 Chanoa Inez: Yeah. Thank you. It's great to be here.

00:01:30 Sayan: Yeah. Likewise. Thank you so much. So before we get into the mindset actually that, you know, drives this whole, uh, progress, you know, towards that big goal. Uh, I believe you said something about dreaming big, so I just want to like, I'm curious that, you know, when, when somebody comes up to you and, uh, you know, uh, is perhaps looking down on herself or himself. You know. Uh. What is that? You tell them. Uh, yeah. I mean, just to set the standards for themselves, right? Right. So when somebody talks about dreaming big, you know what? What does that even mean for you?

00:02:14 Chanoa Inez: Yeah. So dreaming big. It's so important. But, um, I look at it like this. We are all here to really flourish. And, um, we've all been given so many gifts, and they can be hard to see if we're feeling down. If we're going through challenges, we often just focus on what's going wrong or what we don't have right. But we're here to dream big. When we dream big, we expand and we expand in ways that are not just physical. So, you know, some people might think, oh, I don't need to dream big because, um, I'm too humble for that. But that's those two things are not at odds. You can dream big. And, you know, let's say, for example, somebody wants to be an inventor on the scale of, you know, Sara Blakely, who created Spanx, right? Somebody might look at that and think, well, I don't want to do that because, um, I don't need that much money or I don't need something that's so big and public as a, in terms of a company, but they're not looking at, um, not that everyone needs to have a goal that's on that scale. You know, you're big dreaming big could still be of a company of one or not working. It could be a non-profit you've created. But the point is a big dream is important because it it benefits not just you, but it benefits so many other people and it benefits, um, your community and a lot of people just focus on the external part. What is the net worth somebody's going to have? And yes, of course, that's, you know, obviously it's nice for people to be able to flourish in every area of their life, health, wealth, love, but, um, they don't see the inner, um, benefits that happen, the inner gains, the inner treasures people gain when they dream big. Because in order to dream big, you have to become the person who can step into that dream. And that involves countless moments of expanding your comfort zone, of questioning the erroneous beliefs you used to have about yourself and, uh, you know, fixing so many mindset issues and really just coming to really appreciate yourself and just let go of anything that doesn't serve you and that isn't you.

00:04:30 Sayan: Yeah, indeed. That is indeed a big journey on itself. Um, which, you know, sets you apart from the previous version of you, uh, but, you know, uh, just, uh, curious. I mean, somebody listening to this could be a bit skeptical about, you know, dreaming big. For example, if we take take an example of somebody who faced a bankruptcy recently, right? Uh, and maybe to them, dreaming big is, you know, uh, saving a big pile of money. And you tell them, okay, you know what? Uh, you can start with investing, but you set the goal so big that, I mean, it's not feasible for that person at that point of time. So, you know, when, when you say dreaming big, I mean, somebody could classify it as unrealistic, right? So where do you start bridging that gap? Uh, that that vast gap and you make it sound feasible and possible. So what would you like to see?

00:05:28 Chanoa Inez: Yeah. Um, it's important to go bigger than you realize. If you're not, if your dream doesn't scare you, it's not big enough. And the point is that right? So if you, if you make a goal like, okay, if I make a big dream, it doesn't mean that I'm supposed to know how to do that. And I'm supposed to achieve that tomorrow. That's not the point. But it becomes like your North Star. Your brain starts to figure out ways for you to get there. Um, you know, you start rewiring your brain, you start seeing the world differently, and you start noticing the gaps between who you are today and who is the person, the version of you, um, who would be able to make that happen. And a lot of people don't like that kind of talk because they're like, well, I don't, I don't like who I am. I don't want to change myself, but I just consider that to be the real you, the version of you that is not carrying these stories, the self-judgement, the self-criticism, the fear and all that, that's the person who can make that happen. So if we're looking at, um, for example, just for a little bit of neuroscience on this, for anyone who's skeptical about it, you know, you have this part of the brain, the reticular, reticular activating reticular activating system. It's a mouthful, the r a s. And so what it does is it's designed to continue to. Bring your attention to whatever you focus on most. So, uh, you know, you could use an example of, let's say there's a certain city you've been wanting to move to, and now everything is going to remind you of that. Every time you have a conversation, someone's going to mention that city. You're going to put the TV on that city's mentioned. It's it just becomes everywhere. Um, and you know, you can think about it as like these ads that track you online. Uh, it shows up everywhere, but it's for a reason. Your brain is like, oh, this is really relevant to me, but it's not just in the way that, okay, you notice like that in terms of synchronicities, it's also helping you see the opportunities that can get you there, that were always there, that you didn't see before. And what happens is the more you work on your mindset, the more that happens. Like, you know, I could use myself as an example, like I'm going through this process many times over. I have been surprised to see just very obvious low hanging fruit opportunities in front of me that I couldn't see before because I wasn't, um, I was thinking smaller before. And so ironically, when you dream big, you'll start to realize actually many big dreams are easier to attain than we think. You know, either way, if we're talking about something like business wise or work wise, you have to do the work anyway, right? So imagine if you dream big, but you are still putting one foot in front of the other. But what you're starting to do is expand your, um, perspective and you're starting to see what's actually possible. Um, so yeah, it's definitely not about getting intimidated. I'm not saying someone's going to go from being bankrupt today, um, to not being bankrupt, but if they are now afraid because they've gone through that financial trauma and they're just going to save money, just saving money, it's a very difficult way to get to a place of financial comfort.

00:08:45 Sayan: Yeah, I think that distinction is huge. And that makes a lot more sense now because I think when the ground shifts for you, right? It's not just a plan that breaks. It's the identity that was really built around the plan. And then you, you found then you find yourself, uh, amidst all of that chaos. So when you talk about dreaming big, right? Uh, you know, it could sound like positive thinking or manifest harder, you know, hustle harder, you know, in that, in that twenty to thirties, uh, age, that age group that we're looking at, uh, and so on and so forth. But you know, what's the biggest misconception that you have literally seen so many people about rebuilding after a big upheaval or loss?

00:09:32 Chanoa Inez: That they can't, they can't be as happy or as healthy or as successful as they were before. It's wonderful to love your life. It's wonderful to be grateful for your life as well. But a lot of people get stuck romanticizing the past, and it's wonderful to honor the past. You know, whatever that looked like. But if you are thinking your best days are behind you, you know you're really missing out. Um, a lot of people think, well, I never imagined my life could be so good. And now this thing happened and that's gone. There's no way I can get past that. But that's just not the way it works. It only works that way if that's the belief we carry.

00:10:10 Sayan: Yeah, indeed. I mean, this, I think, uh, you know, it beautifully kind of reframes for me because I think people don't need more pressure after any kind of loss. They need a self reminder almost to themselves. Right? Uh, and almost a path that includes truth and permission to be where they are right now. Which basically brings me to this. So for anyone who's listening to this, um, and, you know, wants to start from scratch, you know, absolute scratch, what's the first thing that you would want them to know tonight? I mean, uh, that something, something that doesn't require them to be overdramatic to themselves, you know, in a humble way, perhaps, uh, where can you get started?

00:10:58 Chanoa Inez: Yeah. Um. Number one, I would just say, think about if you couldn't fail, um, you know, what would you, what would you make happen if nobody in your life judged you that that's what you were trying to reach? Really? What is the thing that's been calling you? Or maybe the thing that you love and everyone's telling you you should pursue that. And you said there's no way to make money in that, you know, or you want to move to the other side of the world and people are saying, it's crazy. Just look at it. There are no limits. And if you weren't afraid of how people would respond to that, what would you do? Um, and then I would say, think about actually not even about the actions that you would need to take for that to happen yet. Don't even get go that far. But just like, think about if you were already living that life, what would that person be like? You know, what are the thoughts that you would think? Um, what are the conversations you'd be having with your friends? How would you be spending your time? And that's when you start to see a lot of like, oh, the big gap between where I am today and where I am tomorrow. For example, let's say, um, somebody wants to, um, I don't know, they're going to launch a business and as soon as they're done with work every day, they meet their friends and they go to happy hour and then they go home and they're watching Netflix, you know, and it's like, does that look like the lifestyle of that person? Or let's say you want to, you know, you have some fitness goal, but you know, you're just seeing all these gaps like, wait, but how do I eat like this? And you know, you just start to see and it's not a judgment, um, exercise, not about criticizing yourself. It's about saying, realistically, if I want to be that person, how can I just start to be them right now? Because we can only change the present. And if you start becoming that person in the present, you're going to start feeling inspired and getting, um, better ideas about the actual action steps you can take as you start to, um, work your way towards that goal. If you haven't worked on the person yet and you just write down a list of action steps you're going to do, let's say moving to Australia and you start to focus on the visa that and that you're going to self-sabotage yourself if you haven't started working on the mindset that could be, um, because you still have that fear of being so far from friends and family, you're worried like, what if it doesn't work out? We're a business wise. So it's like, first things first, it always starts with you. Um, but the good and the good news about that is that, you know, you always have control about you. Everything that has to do with you and what's happening inside of you, how you think and how you feel. You can't control every external outcome. But this is an incredible, um, really a superpower that you have that you can carry into anything that you do and anywhere that you go.

00:13:50 Sayan: Yeah. That's a, that's a beautiful piece of advice, uh, advice. Thank you so much for sharing with us tonight. Um, and yeah, I think it really is important that, you know, when you look at a particular piece of code on paper, it's so important to remember that you should not self sabotage yourself at any point. Uh, right. Because ultimately you would just want to approach it in a much more practical way. You know, break it down into micro steps. Like if you, if you have to go to Australia, like say, for example, right? What are the steps? I mean, you know, you would need a visa. You would need, uh, you know, I mean, uh, I would say visa. And then the reason I mean the reason as in it could be the job or it could be, you know, you, you want to look out for, uh, your accommodations and so forth and so on, right? So there are a lot of micro things that, you know, when layered one on another, you would be able to go to Australia, right? And if not, if any of them, one of them, you know, falls apart, you wouldn't. So any task, any big task or when you say dream big, I think it's important when you look at that particular task and you need to break it down into as many microbes as possible, right? And if you're not able to do that, I think you're definitely missing a piece of the puzzle there. Uh, right. So I think that's, that's the key. So, uh, you also work at the intersection of personal transformation and personal branding as well. So some people would hear personal brand and think it's very performative. Uh, but, you know, how do you frame that personal branding in a way that's actually a healing. And not just for a gimmick, rather.

00:15:33 Chanoa Inez: Mhm. Yeah. Um, my personal branding program focuses on, uh, working from the inside out. So yes, there's messaging, there are some external, uh, considerations, communication, etc., but it's really about personal transformation because at the end of the day, people who get the best opportunities and the most aligned opportunities for them are people who show up as themselves. And you can't show up as yourself if you are afraid to be more visible. If you have boundary issues, if you're not, uh, using your voice to ask for what you desire. If you're showing up as other successful people in your field because you think they have, um, the recipe for success. You know, people, um, it really comes down to energy. People really gravitate towards people who are showing up as their true selves. And that's not to say you have to become perfect and have a perfect level of confidence in all of that and never, you know, messed up when it comes to like setting a boundary. It's not about that. It's just showing up as a genuine version of you. Yeah. Yeah. When people like.

00:16:37 Sayan: Bringing that authenticity, right.

00:16:39 Chanoa Inez: Right. When people like you, it doesn't matter if they're, um, within your industry or not, or even could be your client. That's not the point. They will support you always and they will tell others about you. And that's what's really magnetic. Um, and you'd be surprised the kind of opportunities that can come your way.

00:16:56 Sayan: Indeed. Uh, I really appreciate, uh, that coming from your end because I think, uh, yeah, definitely the healthiest brand, uh, that you could think of is just a very clean alignment between who you are and, uh, how you show up, you know, not, maybe not, uh, you know, use any kind of drastic, uh, so when you talk about social media, I would say filters and when I say filters, I'm not really talking about filters on Instagram or Snapchat. I'm talking about the cosmetics, right? So what would you what would you say to the listeners right now who are trying, uh, maybe to, you know, set the goals right for them? And, you know, the dream big concept of what we talked about since the start. Uh, right. So maybe they started and then they're doing well enough. And, you know, one day they just realized that maybe they overcommitted to themselves in ways that they, they feel that certain things are unreachable to them, you know, uh, because they are in a different chapter of their life altogether after, uh, their loss. I mean, so what would you want to tell them? Because we all know that life isn't linear at all. So yeah, there's two ways. There's two ways to the institution, right? Uh, I mean, either either, uh, you would continue it or you would not, you would give up, right? Uh, but here's what tends to happen, right? You know, and I'll take an example so that I think, uh, more of us could relate to it, you know, when you pay for a movie ticket, right? It doesn't matter. I mean, just just imagine a scenario where you don't like the movie. Would you come out of the hall? No. Right. You would watch it. Why? Because you not only you paid for the ticket, but you also spent half of your time watching that film, right? So, I mean, people would rather stick to it and watch the whole. Right? That that that's what tends to happen. I mean, you know, when you're starting a new business and they see the loss real loss on paper, but you know, they still keep going and hope that, uh, you would be able to bounce back. Uh, so where's that blurry line? Basically? Yeah. When, when you should stop versus when you should continue, if that makes sense.

00:19:06 Chanoa Inez: Yeah, yeah, that's a, that's such a great question because that is a tricky, it's a tricky time because it's important not to act too quickly because, um, and with the business example, you know, there's challenges are, I'm not going to say always a part of business, but they can can be. It's not unusual to have challenges. So it's important to know whether, um, it's just a season of challenges that you're going to get through or whether, you know, it's time to cut your losses because you know, you're, you could be setting yourself up for financial disaster or that you're no longer interested in that business. That's not actually what it is for you, which is totally fine, but it's just very easy for someone to quit and then to have given up on their dreams when, you know, um, life has many initiations and that could simply be that initiation to say, okay, how much do you want this? Are you willing to ride out the storm? Uh, to, to handle this? And it happens with health challenges too, you know, um, uh, my body used to have chronic tendinitis and my arms and hands, and that was stressful as a writer, and I was just. I stopped trying to treat it because nothing worked. And then it was. I had it for five years, and then it started going away with my meditation and I was so, um, I was so grateful because I wasn't even trying to get rid of it and it was just getting better and better. But then it would get worse and I would have all these deadlines and I look at my computer and wonder, how am I going to type? And then I realized I just had to let go of that fear and that victim mindset and just figure it out. And eventually it went away completely. So I also believe that was that test to see like, you know, what are you going to do if that doesn't get better, how are you going to respond to it? You know, so, um, in a more, uh, that example, I know it can be a little bit harder to, to process for somebody who's a little less familiar with, um, manifestation or a little skeptical, but the practical business sense is that there's always going to be that challenge. So if you want a company that's going to achieve X, Y, Z, you have to be the person who's, um, able to weather the storm. You know, at the same time, there's a fine line, right? If it's time to throw in the towel or pivot. You want to do that, but you want to get really you want to develop this deep relationship with yourself so that you know, when that's when it's actually something that you should be doing and you're not actually just faking yourself out because it's scary.

00:21:44 Sayan: Yeah, yeah. And I think that's the part that most of us get wrong. So thank you so much for, uh, you know, breaking that down for us perhaps. And, uh, to all my listeners, you have talked about a few, uh, different things, uh, throughout the conversation, but, you know, if I have to connect all the dots for you tonight, uh, you know, if there's one thing that I would like to say is that, you know, your life can change at an instance, like right now. Uh, but, but the idea is you can still belong to yourself while exchanging. And you can think of it like this, right? A big tidal wave that's coming towards you. You know, your best odds for survival in that situation is not swimming against it, but with it. So it's the same kind of analogy that you can apply to your life, and you would be able to see the results for yourself. So that's the kind of, I would say, metaphor that I would like to, uh, uh, bring along towards the end of this conversation. But, uh, for listeners who actually would want to go deeper with you, uh, you know, where's the best place for them to find your book? Dream on and learn more about your work, including the magnetize, your personal brand, uh, structure as well.

00:23:09 Chanoa Inez: Yeah. Um, you can find everything on my website, i.nes dot com C h a n o a I n e z dot com. And my book is sold on Apple Books, uh, audible, Amazon and Kobo.

00:23:31 Sayan: Perfect. I'll include the details in the show notes so you could easily find her books as well. And, uh, just to confirm, uh, the structure that, uh, you talk about the framework, which is your personal brand that is, uh, I mean, in your website, right?

00:23:48 Chanoa Inez: Yes. You can also find out about that there. Um, and I have a self-guided course as well as a one on one program and a free event coming up. Uh, but we have them about every other month, so I'm not sure when this will air, but if you go to my website, you'll, you'll be able to keep up with events.

00:24:05 Sayan: Perfect. Thank you so much for the great, great work and definitely would include the details in the show notes for all the folks listening to this. So guys, uh, that's pretty much all for today's conversation. And if this episode did, uh, met you in, in some, uh, you know, tender spotlight. I, I hope you gently take it from here and self retrospect yourself because I think it's so important that you do not rush anything or you don't force anything. You know, just take one step at a time. Uh, and with that, folks, this was me saying on Healing Horizons, and I'll see you in the next episode. Um, and until then, uh, do breathe and be kind to yourself and keep walking towards what's still possible.