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Unknown
Yeah. Just like. Yeah, that's right. That's called franking and. Right. Hey, we got to do a thing on franking. It's actually it's minus the G, It's Franken. Franken? Yeah.
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Unknown
all right, we're back here at the L.A. Auto Show, and I'm very excited because we have a designer here who has designed a lot of cars that I didn't realize he designed, but I've looked up to for a long time.
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Unknown
We've got Derek Jenkins. You are a chief captain of Gym brand to design something. Senior VP of design for Lucid, who's doing some really fascinating design work lately. The lucid air and the new lucid gravity that just came out. So we're going to talk car design. And we also have L.A. Everybody's everybody's favorite L.A. King. I also designed the Lucid.
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Unknown
Yeah, they work together to design the cover design. Yeah, that's me. Hi. So it's a big treat to have her as well. And of course, we have our publisher, Matt here, who's going to leave as soon as Bo Bachmann gets. I'm just a seat filler. Yeah, like you see, the arm boat is like a cold seat, so you got to be warm.
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Unknown
That keeps these things nice and toasty. Oh, that's good, because I sat in his Aston Martin segment for a long, good time, really nice and toasty. And that's what seeks. Okay, But we should talk. Let's talk design. But before I talk about Lucid, before we talk about anything that could currently make you money, let's talk about things in the past that have no bearing whatsoever.
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Unknown
And I want to start with why I think this is important. Let's do Taylor. Can we bring up the microbus concept? Oh, this is so convenient. It's on the It is. It is going to be. And so yeah, so on the on the screen I know podcast listeners can't see we have a monitor here. And what this concept was in 2000 Volkswagen showed a microbus concept and it got everybody excited and then they decided, What's the smartest thing we can do?
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Unknown
Let's wait two decades before actually releasing it to the public. But in the interim, they made like five other microbus, the bully. I think they did so many. But I think if you look at your original concept, it's shockingly close to the ID buzz that's around now. There's a lot of design cues. I mean, you're working from the same.
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Unknown
Yeah, Yeah. I mean, you know, tell me about that. I think at the time. So I'm a huge Volkswagen van. That's how I got into cars. My dad was into VW and kind of grew into that. The bug in the bus and the thing I got the 73 beetle still. So it's just in in your blood and so then I that's drove me to work for Volkswagen and Audi and so I worked with the gentleman James Freeman Thomas and they did all the Beetle revival, right?
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Unknown
So naturally the microbus was the next thing in line to try to tackle. Right. And so in 19 nine, actually we started on the bus and then that debuted in 2000. Yeah, I think the 2000 auto shows I remember seeing and it was just such a cool project, such an exciting thing, and it had great momentum within Wolfsburg.
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Unknown
It just, it, you know, there was there's always a million reasons not to do something. This was definitely kind of a little bit of it was a nostalgic play, but I felt it was relevant for the market. Sure, because people like busses and it could be a good SUV alternative. Yeah. And it just they just couldn't make it pencil for whatever reason.
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Unknown
And it died a slow death. It's weird because it didn't really die. Here we go. We got a sample of it on the screen here, and it's really like just that. It's clearly 20 design language, clean and amazing, but all of the traits of the old bus are there. Yeah, and you hit the grille nicely. You still have the kind of V-shape in the front.
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Unknown
You got the vestigial vents and the little capsule details. I mean, this was a lovely and again, the current ID buzz isn't that different. Yeah, they've just kind of they've modernized it, It's a similar size the like the bringing the long wheelbase version to the U.S. It's a similar design, similar size. Obviously it's it's updated for the times but like you know, the window design with the double a-pillars, it's the silhouette and how they solve those areas.
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Unknown
Yeah, it's very, very similar. You know, these things are great. And the little to those three intakes, I remember seeing those in the euro van also. That was. Yes. Yeah. Because this was a combustion engine. Yeah. This is a play on kind of all those like slot like details that you see on the early air cooled cars. It was kind of brought that into this and those capsule shapes are like everywhere on the exterior and interior.
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Unknown
And that was really like the detail philosophy at the time that we were pursuing. But yeah, cool project. This is a great area for VW design. Oh my God, there was the VW was really advanced. I mean, I was so lucky to have started my career with Volkswagen and Audi because people like James Freeman, Thomas, Peter Schreyer, you know, all doing just incredible things.
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Unknown
And even Luke don't give a Oh yeah, well here's I think I made this graphic and this is like just to show the similar so we're right now again for you podcast listeners, I've got an original microbus, I've got the 2000 concept and then the current ID buzz released in 2023. And you see it's just not that different.
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Unknown
It's a lot better. Like for all those decades, for the two decades that went in between, they just kind of wrapped back around to the events. So you should feel good. I feel great. I'm going to buy one of those things. I'm super excited about it. You know, I have a
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Unknown
T for Euro van. Oh, I know.
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Unknown
Really nice one. Super clean, automated. You didn't drive that here because there's one here on on turbo twists. It's not in this parking lot, it's in, it's underneath the Marriott. Oh yeah. But I did drive it here if, if that counts. Also another tale I like is the tiny little square nickel euro van. Yes, Yes. Those are cool.
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Unknown
They're very appealing. Yeah. Huh. Well, this is in L.A., Something I think is there. It is interesting about automotive design is that some vehicles take that timeless design and they look similar throughout the decades, in the years. And then a lot of other vehicles go with current styling trends. I'm very curious why not just do timeless all the time?
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Unknown
I like building the plane out of the black box and I feel like that's kind of like saying, why? Why not record only classic songs versus pop songs, right? And I feel it's it's hard to I feel like sometimes it's hard to do simple and clean and honest because that's what tends to age well. Well, I think that's with the bus.
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Unknown
It was it wasn't ever made to be design. It was a complete utility. Be completely honest to its vehicle architecture. Right. It's how much room can we be in clothes. Exactly. That was Yeah. o0l on both here. All right. That's promise.
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Unknown
So, yeah, we were just talking about his microbus concept in 2000, which was amazing. And then let's also. There's another is at the bully No pre prewar which was the that Yes, remember that? I do. Everybody didn't realize that was you. Yeah. Yeah. Well, my my team and myself at the time. Well, it's always a team. Yes, it absolutely is.
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Unknown
But I want to show another car that you had a hand in. Can you bring up the H2 now? This is by the way, we're a more obscure vehicle. This is. Oh, yes, this is David. Is this one of his favorite cars? I think this is an amazing design. I think it is. It's it's like a lot of eyes.
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Unknown
It you know, it's tall and a little, but it's kind of adorable and sleek at the same time uses this space. Well, tell us about this. So yeah Audi A2 again for podcast people we're looking at something with a 2000 Audi design language and face, but the proportions are different. It's like tall and a little narrow. It's a interesting little.
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Unknown
It's very charming. It is charming. So that predates the the, the microbus by, I don't know, five or six years in terms of project. But at the time Doctor Ferdinand Pick was, was running the Volkswagen group and he was obsessed with this idea of three liter consumption. Right. Means that 100 kilometers per three liter, that's fuel. That's where they made the zl1 eventually.
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Unknown
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So that's equivalent of like 80, 90 miles per gallon, you know. So yeah, he had us all working on these really, really aerodynamic. They had to be narrow and they had to be tall to get to get the kind of packaging they were looking for at the time. This is like a polo Volkswagen polo sized vehicle.
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Unknown
And I know these are all non North American vehicles, but and so it had really advanced turbo diesel in in everything was just give those great proportions make it skinny. I know it's brilliant, but it's a real beautiful design brief was just woohoo. I'm like, can we just make this thing another three inches wider please? And you know, it's just really, really, really difficult to go in all directions.
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Unknown
Yeah, but, but you know, it was a boot camp kind of project for me because I was straight out of school. James at the time was running Audi design and Freeman Thomas had come over were just with Freeman. Yeah. Freeman's a long time friend and mentor, I should say, and he came over with. We were all moved to, with Jay over to Ingolstadt, and I got it.
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Unknown
Freeman got the project and I got handed this, which is like, you know, way, way more difficult. But of course, you know, Freeman was destined to do the t t you know. Yeah. And, and this was a great experience for me as well. I love these. And when they turn 25, I think it'd be a fun thing to bring to America because nobody would know what the hell it's got a cult like following in Europe, which is pretty fascinating.
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Unknown
But
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Unknown
it was probably ahead of its time in terms of like a premium compact car. Right. You bought it for its efficiency, which at the time probably wasn't the hottest thing. But now it's more in you know, we took some terrible restrictions and turn it into something really beautiful and interesting and divided it last. Yeah, it was an it had a ton of interior space for its side bed.
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Unknown
Very useful and it's just interiors feel so much bigger when you have had Yes it feels so much bigger. We still have room to spread out totally it just your perception of the space and the interior, you know really not good for the exterior, but it's kind of like when you have panoramic sunroof. Yeah. Or you have that high ceiling, you just feel so airy.
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Unknown
Yeah, well, yeah, it's the last year that it was in production. They did this lifestyle versions. Yeah. That came in like bright yellow, bright orange. They had a little wider fender and bigger wheels. And those just that was like, Oh, that's more like I wish they could have more of them could have been like that because it just, it looked more sporty.
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Unknown
Sure. Yeah. Well, speaking of so another car, Atlantis. You like this one because it has infinite Headroom. And I know it's a car close to your heart. Can we bring up the. The Mazda? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Worked on of course the mix five. And the thing I want to note about this car is it bucks a design trend that I've always hated which is angry looking car faces.
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Unknown
Yeah. This one looks like it's the face is a little a little unhinged. It's happy, but it's a little maniacal. Maniacal. But it doesn't look like it here. Yeah, it's like the eyes. It like it's. It's a grin because it's having a good time, but it doesn't look like it want you dead. Yeah, Like so many cars. But there's a whole story here.
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Unknown
Because if I'm. If you're familiar with the Miata kind of lineage and how everything came about from kind of Lotus Allen and Tom Matano and then the first Miata, they always had a little bit of a friendly personality and, and then they kind of stayed like that. And then when this car came along, this is before kind of the big Miata revival that's kind of happened over the last eight, nine years, especially where you see young people like, you know, completely obsessed with the Miata.
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Unknown
That wasn't the case when we were doing this project. And we were like went to Japan and we were saying, hey, you know, we need to make the Miata look more intentionally sporty and a little bit more aggressive, not don't want to get rid of the lineage of the classic Roadster by any means. And that's how it kind of evolved.
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Unknown
And it ended up with this approachable but like a little more intense look about it. MM Yeah, a little a little crazy behind the eyes. Absolutely the eyes, Yeah. Yeah. You're not going to start that way. This car is not, you know, let it watch your kids, but you and you'll have a good time with it too. I think what's so interesting about the Miata is that throughout all four generations of the car, you have a different looking vehicle this time and you have people who are like, obsessed with the second generation or obsessed with the fourth generation.
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Unknown
You have people who really dislike the third generation and people who like it. I mean, there's something really for everyone and you still get a similar package driving wise. You get the 5050 weight distribution, you get all of that, but you get something that looks different. And I think it's really cool that within one car you have so many different personalities you could choose.
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Unknown
Yeah, very true. There was one and I'm so proud of Mars over sticking with it. That's true. It's a bit abandoned and the fun stuff. Yeah. Okay. That's another thing that so many people don't give automakers credit for when you could just go for volume seller SUVs all the time. It's actually really impressive that this car is on sale.
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Unknown
It's very impressive that enthusiast gas powered cars are on sale because they are not market sellers. They're just they're buyers. That's true. And they're going there long enough like, you know, Ford now the Mustang, and I'm the last one standing and we'll see what comes back next. But yeah, I'm I'm proud when companies go a little different direction than everyone else in Monza truly saw the roadster and is lightweight fun to drive is like their DNA like this was the epitome in the most distilled version of it.
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Unknown
But then they'd put that the best they could into a mazda three, you know, Mazda six. And that was their thing. And it was that's their thing. It's still their thing. They're doing better than ever, in my opinion. And it's it's I think the mx5 in the Miata lineage has been such a big part of keeping that alive.
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Unknown
Yeah. I think when people say they don't like the way the third generation looks, I think they're lying to themselves. That is an adorable car. That is a pretty great looking car. You put some aftermarket wheels on a third generation Miata and it is stunning. I saw a blue one the other day with, I think, bronze aftermarket wheels.
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Unknown
It was beautiful. That is a cool looking car. I agree. I think they all they all have their own. Yeah, they all have their own, you know, benefit one. I have a question for a lot of car design and this is an issue that I noted in the I think a lot of people saw in the Miata is if you have a if you live in a state of cards, a front plate, and that front plate is white on the Miata, it looks like buck teeth.
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Unknown
Yeah. How much thought do you guys give to front license plates? Because I've seen a lot of cars recently that seem to have given zero thought. Yeah, they just ignore that it's a thing and then it's awkward to put it on. Yeah, it did in the brochure. So in the brochure like there's a reason you guys probably picked a black plate.
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Unknown
Well, I mean, certainly. Yeah. There you go. That's more of a donkey. I think there's a degree of denial there. Like the designers are really like, Oh, that people are. Just leave the plates off not knowing that, like, more and more. Yeah, you get tickets, it's legislated. So, you know, certainly I take that super serious. But at the same time, I mean if you think about kind of early 2000s through, I mean 15, 16 grills and mouths were getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
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Unknown
And arguably some folks are still doing that. Yeah. And it's like I think that was kind of like, screw it, we're just going to make the biggest, most angry mouth. Only small percentage of it is actually taking in. Sure. Yeah. You know, that's a that's a minor detail, you know, and I think that's that's where we maybe the industry in a lot of design thinking was just don't even think about the number plate.
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Unknown
Just make the mouth look gnarly. You know it feels that way because it feels like there's just some cars where they just didn't even care. Yeah. So how about now when you're designing EVs and, oh, yeah, you know, I talked about those that have kind of made this phony front grille, which to me is like, I think it's silly to embrace being an EV.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah, I like a grille as well. Let's take a look at the the air. What did you, did you do a lot with the air. Yeah, I did. You did the air though. Before we get to the graphic, let's go to the air because that was the first one that, that defined the lucid design language. So maybe you could tell us what is the lucid design language, what kinds of things you're doing.
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Unknown
It's got. Yeah, the tail, the the crazy cargo love. Yeah. It's really bonkers. It is. While like, the whole thing opens up, I think it's legal. You had to have the extra tail lights. That's. That's gravity. Interior. That's gravity. Yeah. But do we have a front end of the air? Taylor, that we can look at? Because I want to see how you handled the because there's a little bit of air intake that's needed.
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Unknown
Just absolutely it's a lot less with with a electric cars in the thermal management it's not nearly as doesn't get nearly as warm. What you're trying to do is regulate it within a narrower spectrum. I was actually talking to an engineer and he was talking about treating heat like a resource almost. Yeah, like because that's energy, right? Like in a in a conventional gas car, you just want to get rid of it.
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Unknown
They actually have to manage it in story and keep it. So it's it's actually a much more complex problem. That's right. Yeah. Think of it a lot like how we think of regenerative braking now. You know, you're recouping energy. Yes. Well, we're recouping heat to heat the cabin. Right. Example. Yeah. With lucid air. I mean, you know, when I came here, it's like I like I tend to, like, simpler, cleaner designs.
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Unknown
Yeah. Like stuff that's a little more streamlined, you know, like a Porsche 911 type of vibe. And I think that's been really influenced influential. And now when you get into electrification, you don't need a big long hood for a huge V-8, right? You don't need a big mouth for cooling. So then it's like, how do we get this kind of aircraft streamlined seamlessness to the to the vehicle?
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Unknown
Yeah. And that led to just the simple headlight blade. It's a simple mouth. And then but at the same time, how do we give it sculpting and make it It's still a little bit of voluptuous and like kind of dynamic in its own right. And that's kind of where we ended up with with with air come in is beautifully sculpted in picking another it's fluid.
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Unknown
That's right Yeah and it it's really gorgeous And Evie to me this is how many of these should really be designed and in person it's striking because it's got some gravity it's it's a it's a it's wide and it's low. It's sometimes a little deceiving in pictures, but it's about 20 to 30 millimeters lower than anything else. Is this just like just to make up for doing the two?
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Unknown
Is that just made as well? Yeah. It's like, okay, I'm done with this super tall. Yeah, yeah. That was this narrow and tall, this and low and wide. This is rolling around is great. Is I mean, I would love to ask a basic process question. Yes. When you have a like a virtually blank slate, you are designing a new car.
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Unknown
You can do whatever you want. No heritage here. Yes. 79 Lucid. Yes. No heritage. What does the design team do? How do you start? Do people just start sketching and you start choosing? Oh, I like the look of this. Let's go this way. Who starts it? You start drinking first and then. Yeah, yeah, that's. That's a big part of it for sure.
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Unknown
How does this process go? How do you start? How does it continue? Well, okay, there's always some parameters, right? So when I came into the fray, I came on board after meeting Peter Rawlinson. He's our CEO, CTO. He was the chief engineer for Model US Tesla. And you know, he had really strong convictions that he wanted to do kind of the next generation sedan.
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Unknown
And we were going to just max out for efficiency aerodynamics and and range. Right so that was already okay well that's so we're going to do a sedan and we're going to try to maximize this kind of interior space aerodynamics. And so that already kind of gives you a like a skeleton to start with. Right? So then we started to maximize this long sweeping cabin, lots of interior space, lots of second row kind of almost limousine like leg room.
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Unknown
Had to be very sleek, didn't have a big motor up front. So we knew that was going to be low. And that's when we there was almost like an aha moment where said, you know what, let's really lean into this pure, simple sculpted thing, aircraft like honesty to the car, and that will define the look. So then then and the team just explored that.
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Unknown
Hmm, that's really cool. So when you have these parameters, do those parameters get given to you as the head and you go, okay, I'm going to sketch up something. I'm going to sketch a starting point, or do those parameters get given to everybody and you all start pitching in ideas. How does that work? At the beginning, I feel like it.
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Unknown
It's a bit of both. I mean, you know, every you build up a small team of people. In our case, we were like five people at the time and we the team just started sketching, but we were like, You do the trend board thing. You say, I love the work, I love this old plane and I love the sculpting on this E-Type and I love were there other were there were some other cars and these boards.
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Unknown
I feel like there's a strong desire for sure You have the doors, you have the 911, you have the e-types, these types of kind of good list. This is great. Yeah. And and it's like that, that kind of set. And then we had like, we did this thing with this is actually interesting we did the key generations of aviation went back to kind of the like the early days of aviation and then kind of World War Two and then kind of jet age and then what's happening with modern aviation.
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Unknown
And just kind of like it's interesting to look at that because there's this streamline era where it's really elegant and pure and a lot of materials, aluminum and glass and and we were just like, this is probably more where we want to be. But then there's something high tech about the modern modern aviation era. So we're taking influence from that.
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Unknown
Lighting is really revolutionary right now in how many headlights are on the air. So this car has six modules per side, so 2012 total total modules. And let's let's look at the gravity here. So as I don't want to run up on the fan, the more headlights the better. Yeah, just, just saying. So translating that design language you've established with the air to something much bulkier and taller, that's actually a early concept.
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Unknown
This is the gravity we just showed. Yeah. You know, it was a similar thing. How do you get that? So. Pixel Yeah, Yeah. Why? We have such a great I don't know. I'm not sure what's happened here, but there's this thing at home. It's got a pixel Air Commodore 64. That's really hard. Oh, yeah. I mean, now, you know, the second the follow up to air, we knew we had to follow some of the DNA.
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Unknown
So there's a family resemblance. But at the same time, the set of parameters for gravity is is pretty, pretty hard to achieve. We knew we wanted to get below 0.2 for drag coefficient, which for for an SUV is just bonkers. We know we needed seven row seven passenger seating. We needed huge cargo, we wanted a big frunk, you know, and so so we got giant eight too.
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Unknown
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny because I said I was saying we were talking about the 82 and there's like, there's aspects of the, the challenge of getting all, all of this in one vehicle. Yeah. You know, but I think I just felt like this is more in tune with, I feel where consumers are if I'm going to buy a three row SUV in a luxury price point.
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Unknown
So 75, 80,000 plus, I want something that kind of does everything really, really well. And if it's going to be electric, it better get great range because otherwise I'm going to keep driving gas car. Right. And so, you know, that kind of defined the parameters. And again, you follow that that pathway. I need this much space, I need this much cargo, I need this aerodynamic number.
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Unknown
And then you start working the form into shape and really contouring it to get it to do and say the things you want it to communicate. Yeah, I was just over there with the gravity and the frunk actually on the car that I was in. You can open the frunk sit in it and you have a cupholder and a power outlet and then the frunk actually forms a shade over your seat.
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Unknown
Where do your feet like? So you can't see it there. You can't see. Is there the hood open? Yes. So the hood opens up, but it opens like with the front panel and there's a and there's a bench. Yes. Post front panel. I love they did like a little cushion that you sit on the front total. And I had a super beetle that had, you know, the tire are there.
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Unknown
You just sit under there like that with the canopy. Right. I love that they're doing that. It acts as a shield. So you get locked in the front. We have something that just like the tree is fantastic. It's funny because I was driving north on Coast Highway a couple of weeks ago. Oh, look at that. Yeah. Holy crap.
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Unknown
Yeah. Just like. Yeah, that's right. That's called franking and. Right. Hey, we got to do a thing on franking. It's actually it's minus the G, It's Franken. Franken? Yeah. Is that a cushion? Is there like, there is. There's like a really comfy cushion and it's like a seat unit. It's exactly. Yeah, you can sit. Do people really go get it?
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Unknown
Is that this is fantastic. Our our market research said everybody's looking for this so is there any less something fun. Of course. Yeah. You can probably drive it a little bit. That gap between the window, you could probably go you know, you keep. So this is our nine passenger 50. You're probably fine. Yeah. You could put the kids up there.
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Unknown
Yeah, yeah, it's fine. Honestly, they'd love it. They would love their pants. Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, looks good with £6,000 towing capacity. For how long, though? You what. Oh, yeah. You're going to, you're going to use up your range pretty quick. Yeah. That's what I thought that they heard. That trailer out there actually has an electric it has some of its own propulsion.
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Unknown
That's right. Yeah. That's a great idea. That's it's going to take off technically put battery in there. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Super, super sophisticated interior. Lovely. That would that is real. Would you guys. The big innovation here is we have the flat screen up above. This is pushed up in the car, we reshape the steering wheel, kind of a squircle it is swipe, sure, but the axis is a little higher than you would know.
00:26:47:07 - 00:27:07:20
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That's right. Yeah. But the big innovation here is you view the display over the steering wheel, not through it, which causes a lot of screen. And you don't see that stupid, you know, yoke. No. Yeah, well there's that too. And you can manually adjust the air conditioning. Yeah. It's get this analog air view or. Really. Yeah my friend.
00:27:07:21 - 00:27:28:03
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Oh yeah. Cutting edge touch it. You thought this was a better idea to make a computer like where I want to put my air. I'm hot. I just have to go do a menu. When you're trying to change the air blowing and you know, when they see the things you did, you did you glovebox open with the latch or do you have to go through the screen?
00:27:28:05 - 00:27:46:15
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Do you? Don't tell me through the screen, but it's right there. You can't miss it. You can miss it. It's like so obvious he got the air conditioner so it's like, well maybe we'll put it. Isn't that the button in? The screen's right next to the glove player. The thing. I very rarely use the glove box to be fair.
00:27:46:15 - 00:28:11:06
Unknown
Sure. Yeah, I'm using air conditioner. We're in L.A.. Yeah, AC is more important, so it's all three given? I don't know. Okay. All right. Okay. I will admit there is a little bit of fun to popping something open in a screen because I drove the Tesla model three performance the other day. Yeah, And you touch the little car and the front pops, you touch the car on the screen and it pops and you're like, Oh, how could school?
00:28:11:06 - 00:28:30:10
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I will admit, that sounds satisfying. No, it actually is quite satisfying to just press the car. Is it all haptic or anything? I love the haptic response. It's haptic and then it just opens up. I'm not down with the well. Okay, here's I guess the question is, do you have to go through a menu to open up? Is it always there, the glove box?
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But there's there's oh, there's there's one way we do this. We put all the car controls under one swipe
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