1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:05,800 Hey, everyone, this is Becky and some of you guys. 2 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:08,760 This might be your first time visiting us, but I'm joined by Zur 3 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:12,960 and we are the podcast and we just like to sit here and facilitate 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:14,280 discussion on certain topics. 5 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:18,000 And we are joined today by our lead pastor, Jason Paredes. 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,360 Yeah, and now this is a special situation because normally, 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,800 like me and Zur and Marty, we approach people whenever we have 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,040 certain topics in mind. 9 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,850 But past Pastor Jason actually requested this episode and we'll 10 00:00:27,850 --> 00:00:30,530 get a little bit more into that of why he wanted to talk about 11 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:30,730 this. 12 00:00:30,730 --> 00:00:33,210 It's mainly because y' all would never ask where he was at such 13 00:00:33,210 --> 00:00:33,610 a wee. 14 00:00:34,250 --> 00:00:35,530 Pick me, pick me. 15 00:00:36,090 --> 00:00:36,730 But yeah. 16 00:00:36,730 --> 00:00:38,810 So, like, again, if this is your first time joining us, we're 17 00:00:38,810 --> 00:00:40,010 so happy that you're here. 18 00:00:40,330 --> 00:00:43,130 We hope you continue to come back for any future and previous 19 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:43,850 episodes. 20 00:00:44,090 --> 00:00:45,930 But if you have not listened. 21 00:00:45,930 --> 00:00:46,570 Disclaimer. 22 00:00:46,570 --> 00:00:49,970 If you have not listened to the sermon and the message from October 23 00:00:49,970 --> 00:00:53,810 5th, aka yesterday in you have not listened to that, please go back 24 00:00:53,810 --> 00:00:54,490 and listen to that. 25 00:00:54,490 --> 00:00:57,130 Because this discussion is meant to supplement that sermon. 26 00:00:57,130 --> 00:01:00,130 And so we want to, you know, set you up for success and understanding 27 00:01:00,130 --> 00:01:00,810 and following us. 28 00:01:00,810 --> 00:01:03,090 And so please, we're going to link that in the description below. 29 00:01:03,410 --> 00:01:04,770 Please go and watch that. 30 00:01:05,330 --> 00:01:08,690 That being said, I just want to kick us off by asking you, why 31 00:01:08,690 --> 00:01:10,010 did you want to talk about this today? 32 00:01:10,010 --> 00:01:11,170 Yeah, it's a good question. 33 00:01:12,530 --> 00:01:14,130 I'm wondering that myself by now. 34 00:01:14,690 --> 00:01:18,890 No, it really came from as I was preparing the sermon and what 35 00:01:18,890 --> 00:01:22,560 I was going to share, there was just an aspect of the passage 36 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:25,480 that I thought was so incredibly important. 37 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:28,520 And as I was praying through what I wanted to share about the 38 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,000 Lord saying, not in the sermon, I have a different goal. 39 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,840 But this truth was one of those, like, mind blowing things 40 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:36,760 that I thought, the church needs to hear this. 41 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,880 So what's the best forum for the church to dig in and see the 42 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,360 power of the word of God and the nuances that are in there? 43 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:45,960 And I thought maybe podcast might be the best place to do that. 44 00:01:45,960 --> 00:01:48,250 So I said, hey there, Becky. 45 00:01:48,570 --> 00:01:49,290 Here's her. 46 00:01:49,930 --> 00:01:51,530 And y' all were gracious to let us do this. 47 00:01:51,530 --> 00:01:55,330 So it's been really fun to kind of think through this and talk 48 00:01:55,330 --> 00:01:55,730 about it. 49 00:01:55,730 --> 00:01:59,610 And again, like, hearing the message too, it just kind of gets 50 00:01:59,610 --> 00:02:01,650 your brain going on it. 51 00:02:01,650 --> 00:02:03,570 And I don't know, like, what were your thoughts as you were, like, 52 00:02:03,570 --> 00:02:05,530 reading through and listening to it? 53 00:02:05,930 --> 00:02:13,050 I mean, what I love is you do such a great job in communicating 54 00:02:13,050 --> 00:02:16,330 what you need to communicate, but I know just the vastness of study. 55 00:02:16,410 --> 00:02:16,770 Right. 56 00:02:16,770 --> 00:02:17,450 That you have. 57 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,000 And so honestly, I'm so grateful that you decided to reach 58 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,280 out and say, hey, there's just so much in here that I want. 59 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,560 Not just, you know, the field of church, but who would. 60 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:32,560 Whoever would listen, like the vastness of what God has for us in 61 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:33,120 his scripture. 62 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,840 So I'm just, honestly, I'm just excited for. 63 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:36,080 To hear more about that. 64 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,040 Because you're a Bible nerd. 65 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:37,360 All right. 66 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:37,600 Come on. 67 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:38,640 You're like that kind of thing. 68 00:02:38,640 --> 00:02:39,560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 69 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:43,080 So for all of us non Bible freaks, you're one too. 70 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:44,120 I know, I know, I know. 71 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,510 But yeah, I mean, there was a lot of scriptures that we've been 72 00:02:48,510 --> 00:02:51,110 talking through and that you had mentioned that part of it. 73 00:02:51,110 --> 00:02:55,270 And so just to kind of ask like, if you could share kind of 74 00:02:55,270 --> 00:02:56,630 first of all, like, kind of as. 75 00:02:56,870 --> 00:03:00,110 Share the theory that we, We've talked a lot about that, but 76 00:03:00,110 --> 00:03:03,630 the just the theory that you referenced in the message, but also 77 00:03:03,630 --> 00:03:06,990 some of the scripture that kind of not necessarily like just 78 00:03:06,990 --> 00:03:07,870 the scripture that you. 79 00:03:07,870 --> 00:03:09,430 That got you thinking about that. 80 00:03:09,510 --> 00:03:12,230 Yeah, well, I'm so cool. 81 00:03:12,230 --> 00:03:12,990 I'm analog. 82 00:03:12,990 --> 00:03:13,710 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 83 00:03:13,710 --> 00:03:14,150 Sorry, sorry. 84 00:03:14,150 --> 00:03:16,770 I'm gonna Google Matthew 17. 85 00:03:16,770 --> 00:03:19,890 So the whole story was a transfiguration, an unbelievable 86 00:03:20,050 --> 00:03:23,690 moment, which I think is one of the most overlooked stories in 87 00:03:23,690 --> 00:03:26,210 the Bible because it's so amazingly significant. 88 00:03:26,610 --> 00:03:29,810 They get to see who Jesus is when we focus in on the confession 89 00:03:29,810 --> 00:03:33,890 of Christ before by Peter in chapter 16, you are the Christ, the 90 00:03:33,890 --> 00:03:34,650 son of the living God. 91 00:03:34,650 --> 00:03:36,290 And like, oh, great moment. 92 00:03:36,370 --> 00:03:37,570 And then totally miss that. 93 00:03:37,570 --> 00:03:40,370 The actual demonstration of who he is known as in chapter 17. 94 00:03:41,260 --> 00:03:44,860 And so it talks about, they go up to a high mountain and he's transfigured 95 00:03:44,860 --> 00:03:47,420 before them, metamorphosized in front of them. 96 00:03:47,740 --> 00:03:51,260 Face is shining, he's glowing, like the ancient of days. 97 00:03:51,420 --> 00:03:53,820 And this is a small, little subtle comment. 98 00:03:54,860 --> 00:03:57,980 And it said in verse three, and behold, there appear to them 99 00:03:57,980 --> 00:04:01,140 Moses and Elijah talking with him, and then just moves on, like 100 00:04:01,140 --> 00:04:01,900 nothing's happening. 101 00:04:02,060 --> 00:04:03,020 Like that's normal. 102 00:04:03,500 --> 00:04:04,380 They're very dead. 103 00:04:04,940 --> 00:04:07,980 This is like hundreds and hundreds, if not thousand plus years 104 00:04:07,980 --> 00:04:08,660 long gone. 105 00:04:08,660 --> 00:04:11,100 And yet they're hanging out with Jesus in this moment. 106 00:04:11,340 --> 00:04:14,080 And you know, like, it doesn't say it as much over here, but in 107 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,760 the other gospels it says like, Peter was like out of his mind, 108 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:17,840 so confused. 109 00:04:17,840 --> 00:04:20,120 He's like, I'm going to build a tabernacle, both three of you. 110 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,120 And I was studying it was basically him going like, I don't 111 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:23,960 want this moment to end. 112 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:24,600 It's so Good. 113 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:27,640 I want Moses to stay here and Elijah to stay here and Jesus to 114 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:28,080 stay here. 115 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,280 I relate to Peter and so much, and he's overwhelming and panic. 116 00:04:31,280 --> 00:04:32,520 He's just not going to stop talking. 117 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:33,320 I'm like, just stop. 118 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:34,360 Just let it. 119 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:35,000 Let it happen. 120 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:36,600 But there's something like. 121 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:37,320 I don't know. 122 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:38,680 I've read that. 123 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:40,200 Like, I don't know how many times I've read that. 124 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:40,640 Yeah. 125 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:41,920 And I just repassed it. 126 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:42,600 Like, oh, that's cool. 127 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,760 You know, Moses and Elijah, anyways, never stopped. 128 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:46,640 Like, how did they get there? 129 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:48,280 Who's there? 130 00:04:48,280 --> 00:04:49,520 What does that even look like? 131 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:54,560 And so that was really the springboard to make me go, what do 132 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:55,199 I do with that? 133 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,360 I'm going to be preaching through the Gospel of Matthew. 134 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:03,720 And I had heard somebody lift up this theory that potentially this 135 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:04,560 is where it gets a little bit. 136 00:05:04,790 --> 00:05:05,150 A bit weird. 137 00:05:05,150 --> 00:05:07,030 Y' all stop me and ask questions along the way if you want 138 00:05:07,030 --> 00:05:12,030 to, that maybe, like, you got to figure out, where did he come 139 00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:13,110 from, what's really going on here. 140 00:05:13,110 --> 00:05:14,990 And I've heard some people, and I shared this in the message 141 00:05:14,990 --> 00:05:17,110 on Sunday who say, like, maybe. 142 00:05:17,270 --> 00:05:18,790 Maybe they're just symbols. 143 00:05:19,030 --> 00:05:21,710 Like, Moses is a symbol of the law and Elijah is a symbol of the 144 00:05:21,710 --> 00:05:22,030 prophets. 145 00:05:22,030 --> 00:05:22,630 But I mean, it. 146 00:05:22,630 --> 00:05:25,030 It says they were there talking with him. 147 00:05:25,110 --> 00:05:26,790 Yeah, like, symbols don't talk. 148 00:05:26,790 --> 00:05:27,270 Exactly. 149 00:05:27,430 --> 00:05:28,630 Apparently there's somebody there. 150 00:05:29,110 --> 00:05:31,430 Some would say, yeah, but they're dead, so it must be their 151 00:05:31,430 --> 00:05:32,470 spirit who comes up. 152 00:05:32,470 --> 00:05:33,320 And granted, spirit. 153 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:34,670 Spirits in the Bible can talk. 154 00:05:34,990 --> 00:05:39,230 The spirit of Samuel is conjured up by the witch in Endor, 155 00:05:39,230 --> 00:05:40,470 and Saul's able to. 156 00:05:40,470 --> 00:05:41,710 And the spirit talks. 157 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:46,350 But I can't find a moment in the Bible where a spirit conjured 158 00:05:46,350 --> 00:05:47,150 up is a good thing. 159 00:05:47,710 --> 00:05:49,230 And so that just seems to be. 160 00:05:49,550 --> 00:05:50,790 And it doesn't say any. 161 00:05:50,790 --> 00:05:53,750 Like, it says, clearly, that's the spirit of Samuel who's talking 162 00:05:53,750 --> 00:05:55,670 to Saul when you go back to First Kings. 163 00:05:55,670 --> 00:05:56,590 But this doesn't seem to. 164 00:05:57,950 --> 00:05:59,350 This doesn't seem to be a spirit. 165 00:05:59,350 --> 00:06:00,720 It says they were there. 166 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,040 Moses and Elijah talked. 167 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:04,040 So here's the theory. 168 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,600 Kind of just drop it over there and then tell you why. 169 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:13,640 The theory is that when Moses went up to Mount Sinai and when Elijah 170 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:18,280 went up to Mount Horeb and they're encountering God up there, 171 00:06:18,280 --> 00:06:19,760 because, you know, we'll talk about a minute. 172 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,120 But Moses goes up there and then he enters the cloud. 173 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,120 That's where he gets the Ten Commandments, and he's there with 174 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,570 God, that he steps through space and time and enters this moment 175 00:06:29,570 --> 00:06:33,850 where he's meeting with Jesus, who now is revealed in his glory 176 00:06:33,850 --> 00:06:34,610 as the ancient of days. 177 00:06:34,610 --> 00:06:35,250 So he goes up. 178 00:06:35,250 --> 00:06:38,170 Moses goes up to the high mountain to meet with the ancient 179 00:06:38,170 --> 00:06:38,570 of days. 180 00:06:38,570 --> 00:06:40,450 And here he is meeting with Jesus. 181 00:06:40,610 --> 00:06:45,530 And then Elijah in 1 Kings 19, when he goes to meet, have an encounter 182 00:06:45,530 --> 00:06:49,010 with God, he says he goes up to Mount Horeb, and that's the whole. 183 00:06:49,010 --> 00:06:52,130 Like, there was an earthquake and there was a fire and a strong 184 00:06:52,930 --> 00:06:54,730 wind, but he wasn't into those. 185 00:06:54,730 --> 00:06:55,970 But he was in the still, small voice. 186 00:06:56,050 --> 00:06:58,530 And God talks to him, but he's on top of Mount Horeb. 187 00:06:58,770 --> 00:07:02,170 And the theory is that potentially when he went up to Mount 188 00:07:02,170 --> 00:07:06,090 Horeb, God in his infinite power, whisks him away from time 189 00:07:06,090 --> 00:07:09,450 and space and brings him to meet the ancient days at the top 190 00:07:09,450 --> 00:07:10,570 and has a conversation with him. 191 00:07:10,570 --> 00:07:13,010 And at this moment, when Peter, James, and John are meeting 192 00:07:13,010 --> 00:07:18,370 with Jesus in his glorious form, Elijah and Moses are meeting 193 00:07:18,530 --> 00:07:21,130 with the glorious ancient of days at the exact same time. 194 00:07:21,130 --> 00:07:23,700 And they're all converging, which, when I heard that, I was like, 195 00:07:24,900 --> 00:07:29,500 yeah, my brain's not working right after that one, which just 196 00:07:29,500 --> 00:07:30,900 really struck me. 197 00:07:31,220 --> 00:07:34,100 And so then I began to go like, okay, that's a cool theory, 198 00:07:34,820 --> 00:07:36,260 but where is that in the Bible? 199 00:07:36,900 --> 00:07:41,140 Because my first thought was like, but Moses went to Mount Sinai, 200 00:07:41,380 --> 00:07:44,260 and I didn't even know anything about Mount Horeb for Elijah. 201 00:07:44,260 --> 00:07:44,660 So. 202 00:07:45,620 --> 00:07:49,710 And that's not where they are, because Mount Sinai is in a totally 203 00:07:49,710 --> 00:07:50,270 different place. 204 00:07:50,750 --> 00:07:52,270 You know, that's when they were wandering in the wilderness. 205 00:07:52,270 --> 00:07:54,750 And Mount Horeb have no idea where that is. 206 00:07:56,030 --> 00:08:00,470 And this is happening somewhere in the ancient area of 207 00:08:00,470 --> 00:08:00,990 Israel. 208 00:08:01,150 --> 00:08:03,470 So it can't be the same mountain. 209 00:08:04,990 --> 00:08:06,190 Does God work that way? 210 00:08:06,670 --> 00:08:09,150 And so I went back and started looking. 211 00:08:09,550 --> 00:08:12,270 And so if you go to Exodus. 212 00:08:12,750 --> 00:08:16,590 Bible, drill on the pot, the verse just open up. 213 00:08:16,750 --> 00:08:18,150 And this is really important for me. 214 00:08:18,150 --> 00:08:20,440 I don't want you to, like, take my word for it. 215 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,560 I want to look at the word of God and see what it says. 216 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:30,080 So in Exodus 19 is when Israel is at the base of Mount Si and God 217 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,640 is calling Moses up to go meet with him. 218 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,520 He's got to give all these caveats and rules, like, don't go 219 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:36,720 up there, you're going to die. 220 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:36,920 And. 221 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,400 And the people are like, I don't want to go up there. 222 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:39,640 Moses, you go for us. 223 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:44,240 But then you get to verse 16, and it says that on the morning of 224 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:47,720 the third day, there were thunders and lightnings and a thick 225 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:50,400 cloud on the mountain and a very LOUD trumpet blast. 226 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,080 So that all the people in the camp trembled. 227 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,040 Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and 228 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:56,360 they took their stand at the foot of the mountain. 229 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:58,640 And now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke. 230 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,640 That's going to be important because the Lord had descended on 231 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:02,400 it in fire. 232 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,200 So there's like, light and fire and smoke altogether. 233 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,360 The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln. 234 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,360 And the whole mountain trembled greatly. 235 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,120 So it's trembling. 236 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,370 There's smoke, there's light, there's fire. 237 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:13,840 Fire. 238 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,720 And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses 239 00:09:16,960 --> 00:09:19,840 spoke and God answered him in thunder. 240 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,320 So now God is speaking in this thunderous voice. 241 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,120 And the Lord came down on Mount Sinai to the top of the mountain. 242 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,760 And the Lord called Moses at the top of the mount. 243 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:27,680 And Moses went up. 244 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,800 So, you know, you're going up there, and Moses is meeting with 245 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,760 God, and there's smoke and there's fire and light and there's 246 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,600 trembling, and there's a booming voice of God, okay, hold 247 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:37,440 your place over there. 248 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:39,600 Go back to Matthew 17. 249 00:09:40,700 --> 00:09:46,540 And it says, they, behold in verse three, there appeared to them, 250 00:09:46,540 --> 00:09:48,140 Moses and Elijah talking with him. 251 00:09:49,020 --> 00:09:51,580 And Peter's freaking out, going, it's so good that we're here 252 00:09:51,580 --> 00:09:53,340 and we build these places for you. 253 00:09:53,420 --> 00:09:57,260 In verse five, he was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud. 254 00:09:57,260 --> 00:10:00,820 So it's bright, like light overshadowed them. 255 00:10:00,820 --> 00:10:04,220 And a voice, a thunderous voice from the cloud said, this is 256 00:10:04,220 --> 00:10:05,620 my beloved Son, with whom I'm well pleased. 257 00:10:05,620 --> 00:10:06,220 Listen to him. 258 00:10:06,330 --> 00:10:07,930 And it says, when the disciples heard this, they fell on 259 00:10:07,930 --> 00:10:08,970 their faces and were terrified. 260 00:10:09,690 --> 00:10:13,730 So remarkably similar to the scene that you see in Exodus, where 261 00:10:13,730 --> 00:10:16,890 the people are terrified because there's this smoke and fire 262 00:10:17,130 --> 00:10:21,210 and trembling, and here's God meeting with them. 263 00:10:21,210 --> 00:10:21,770 Yeah. 264 00:10:21,850 --> 00:10:22,369 And so. 265 00:10:22,369 --> 00:10:23,650 Okay, that's unusual. 266 00:10:23,650 --> 00:10:24,090 Yeah. 267 00:10:24,490 --> 00:10:30,890 Then you go over to 1 Kings, chapter 19, 1 Kings 19. 268 00:10:30,890 --> 00:10:32,010 You have Elijah. 269 00:10:33,100 --> 00:10:38,020 This is on the heels of the Mount Carmel moment, when the prophets 270 00:10:38,020 --> 00:10:38,940 of BAAL are defeated. 271 00:10:38,940 --> 00:10:40,660 You got Elijah's in his, like. 272 00:10:40,660 --> 00:10:43,740 I mean, he's just, like, brazen, calling down fire from. 273 00:10:43,740 --> 00:10:44,580 Pour water on it. 274 00:10:44,580 --> 00:10:45,900 And you see how good my God is. 275 00:10:45,980 --> 00:10:47,260 Your God must be in the bathroom. 276 00:10:47,420 --> 00:10:48,339 That story is hilarious. 277 00:10:48,339 --> 00:10:48,580 It is. 278 00:10:48,580 --> 00:10:50,940 He's hunting them, like, so much faith. 279 00:10:51,420 --> 00:10:52,460 And he calls out fire. 280 00:10:52,460 --> 00:10:54,420 And he's just like, they kill all the prophets of baal. 281 00:10:54,420 --> 00:10:55,540 And you think it'd be a high moment. 282 00:10:55,540 --> 00:10:57,540 And then Jezebel says, I'm coming for you. 283 00:10:57,540 --> 00:11:01,220 And Elijah freaks out, and he goes and runs for his life, and he 284 00:11:01,220 --> 00:11:01,900 wants to Die. 285 00:11:01,900 --> 00:11:03,020 And he's overwhelmed. 286 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:11,360 But as you get to chapter 19, it says that he's off and he's being 287 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:12,400 fed by God. 288 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,560 The ravens are bringing food. 289 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,000 And the Lord says to him, arise and eat. 290 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,160 And verse six, then verse seven, that came a second time, touched 291 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,280 him and said, arise and eat. 292 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,360 And then verse eight, I had never noticed this before. 293 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:29,360 And he arose and ate and drank and went in the strength of that 294 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:32,450 food 40 days and 40 nights to Horeb, the Mount of Ga. 295 00:11:33,490 --> 00:11:34,850 So he's at Horeb. 296 00:11:35,570 --> 00:11:36,330 You go, okay. 297 00:11:36,330 --> 00:11:36,850 What is. 298 00:11:36,850 --> 00:11:37,970 What matters of Horeb? 299 00:11:37,970 --> 00:11:40,370 Well, interesting little bit for you. 300 00:11:40,770 --> 00:11:44,410 You can keep your place in 1 Kings 19, but if you were to go to 301 00:11:44,410 --> 00:11:50,570 Deuteronomy chapter 4, it tells the people that they're coming 302 00:11:50,570 --> 00:11:52,890 before God, and he calls it in this passage. 303 00:11:52,890 --> 00:11:56,490 If you go to verse 15, he's talking about going up to meet God 304 00:11:56,490 --> 00:11:56,970 on the mountain. 305 00:11:56,970 --> 00:12:00,040 Therefore, watch yourselves very carefully since you saw no form 306 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,080 on the day that the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst 307 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:03,560 of the fire. 308 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,320 Beware, lest you act corruptly by making a carved imagery. 309 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:07,240 So then he goes through. 310 00:12:07,560 --> 00:12:11,080 He's talking about that moment when he met with God on the mountain. 311 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:12,720 He calls it Horeb. 312 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,560 If you were to go back earlier in verse nine, only take care and 313 00:12:15,560 --> 00:12:17,560 keep your soul diligently lest you forget the things that your eyes 314 00:12:17,560 --> 00:12:20,080 have seen and lest they depart from your heart all the days of your 315 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,120 life, he says, make them known to your children and your children's 316 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:23,320 children. 317 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,120 How on the day that you stood before the Lord, your God at Horeb, 318 00:12:26,390 --> 00:12:28,870 the Lord said to me, gather the people to me, that they may hear 319 00:12:28,870 --> 00:12:29,230 my words. 320 00:12:29,230 --> 00:12:31,630 And he goes through the darkness, the gloom, the cloud. 321 00:12:31,630 --> 00:12:34,230 And it's clearly the same experience that Moses had back in 322 00:12:34,310 --> 00:12:37,430 Exodus 19, but he calls it Mount Horeb. 323 00:12:37,510 --> 00:12:39,110 Yeah, pretty striking. 324 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:39,750 Similar. 325 00:12:39,750 --> 00:12:45,030 See, you got now, Elijah on Mount Horeb, and he has an encounter 326 00:12:45,030 --> 00:12:48,510 with God the same place that Moses had an encounter with God. 327 00:12:48,510 --> 00:12:52,910 Now, if you come in here and you keep reading in First Kings 19. 328 00:12:52,910 --> 00:12:54,430 So we're back now to the Elijah experience. 329 00:12:54,430 --> 00:12:55,990 He's on Mount Horeb, the. 330 00:12:55,990 --> 00:12:59,190 The Mount of God, it's called, which, you know, again, I don't know 331 00:12:59,190 --> 00:13:02,430 where that's at, but the Mount of God, verse 9, it says, There he 332 00:13:02,430 --> 00:13:04,830 came, talking about Elijah, to a cave and lodged in it. 333 00:13:04,830 --> 00:13:07,390 And behold, the word of the Lord came to him, which, by the way, 334 00:13:07,390 --> 00:13:08,110 the word of the Lord. 335 00:13:08,110 --> 00:13:10,270 If you go to the Gospel of John, chapter one. 336 00:13:10,270 --> 00:13:10,710 Yeah. 337 00:13:10,710 --> 00:13:12,750 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. 338 00:13:12,750 --> 00:13:13,550 And the Word was God. 339 00:13:13,550 --> 00:13:14,550 He was in the beginning with God. 340 00:13:14,550 --> 00:13:15,430 All things were made through him. 341 00:13:15,430 --> 00:13:17,110 Without him was not anything made that was made. 342 00:13:17,270 --> 00:13:19,110 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 343 00:13:19,110 --> 00:13:20,030 He was talking about Jesus. 344 00:13:20,030 --> 00:13:21,550 Yes, the Word of God, right? 345 00:13:21,550 --> 00:13:25,410 So now here you got Elijah in verse nine, and it says, the word 346 00:13:25,410 --> 00:13:26,450 of the Lord came to him. 347 00:13:26,530 --> 00:13:29,290 And he said to him, what are you doing here, Elijah? 348 00:13:29,290 --> 00:13:31,570 Which I think is interesting that the Word of the Lord came to 349 00:13:31,570 --> 00:13:32,610 him and he spoke to him. 350 00:13:32,610 --> 00:13:34,730 He's personified in this moment. 351 00:13:34,730 --> 00:13:36,690 Which, by the way, I'd never noticed that until just right now. 352 00:13:37,810 --> 00:13:40,290 And he said to him, I've been very jealous for the Lord. 353 00:13:40,690 --> 00:13:43,370 The God of hosts, for the people of Israel, have forsaken your 354 00:13:43,370 --> 00:13:43,810 covenant. 355 00:13:43,810 --> 00:13:44,690 He's just complaining. 356 00:13:45,410 --> 00:13:48,450 And then God in verse 11 says, and he said, go out and stand on 357 00:13:48,450 --> 00:13:51,830 the mount before the Lord and behold, the Lord passed by and listen 358 00:13:51,830 --> 00:13:54,870 to all the elements that sound really similar to the different things. 359 00:13:56,470 --> 00:13:59,350 And a great and strong wind tore through the mountains and broke 360 00:13:59,350 --> 00:13:59,830 it in pieces. 361 00:13:59,830 --> 00:14:03,270 So there's just this glory and majesty and strength of the wind. 362 00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:05,070 Lord is not in the wind. 363 00:14:05,070 --> 00:14:06,470 And after the wind, an earthquake. 364 00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:09,110 Remember when Moses went up, the whole mountain was trembling, 365 00:14:09,110 --> 00:14:09,510 right? 366 00:14:09,830 --> 00:14:10,750 So there's an earthquake. 367 00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:11,910 But the Lord is not in the earthquake. 368 00:14:11,910 --> 00:14:14,110 Now, if the earthquake of fire, remember, on top of the mountain 369 00:14:14,110 --> 00:14:14,310 was. 370 00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:16,390 There's fire and smoke and all that. 371 00:14:16,590 --> 00:14:17,350 The Lord's not in the fire. 372 00:14:17,350 --> 00:14:19,390 And after the fire, the sound of a low whisper. 373 00:14:19,710 --> 00:14:21,470 And then God speaks to him. 374 00:14:22,110 --> 00:14:24,750 Well, what if the low whisper is Jesus? 375 00:14:25,630 --> 00:14:27,910 You know, he's God now revealed in his glory. 376 00:14:27,910 --> 00:14:31,310 The ancient of days who's speaking to him, who basically says 377 00:14:31,310 --> 00:14:33,710 words to him like, I'm for you. 378 00:14:33,870 --> 00:14:36,750 I'm going to take care of you, and I'm going to be. 379 00:14:36,910 --> 00:14:37,870 I'm going to be with you. 380 00:14:37,870 --> 00:14:38,470 Don't be afraid. 381 00:14:38,470 --> 00:14:40,230 Now he's at the point of death, or he's like, I just want 382 00:14:40,230 --> 00:14:42,550 to die at this point because he thinks Jezebel is going to kill 383 00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:44,070 him and he's the only one left. 384 00:14:44,390 --> 00:14:46,950 And God says, no, I'm going to be with you. 385 00:14:47,110 --> 00:14:47,830 Take heart. 386 00:14:48,070 --> 00:14:50,870 Well, what does Jesus do to the disciples when they're trembling 387 00:14:50,870 --> 00:14:51,630 and they're on the ground? 388 00:14:51,630 --> 00:14:53,910 He says, he comes near them and he touches them and he says, 389 00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:55,750 arise, don't be afraid. 390 00:14:56,070 --> 00:14:59,189 Very similar to what he does to Elijah right here in this moment. 391 00:14:59,910 --> 00:15:03,390 And so it just seems like when you look at this, that you have this 392 00:15:03,390 --> 00:15:07,910 picture of an almost not identical, but a lot of the elements 393 00:15:07,910 --> 00:15:08,630 are identical. 394 00:15:09,060 --> 00:15:12,100 And what happened with Moses on Mount Sinai, Mount Horeb? 395 00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:14,220 What happens to Elijah on Mount Horeb? 396 00:15:14,220 --> 00:15:15,980 And what happens to Peter, James and John when they're on the 397 00:15:15,980 --> 00:15:18,740 mount of God, whatever mount that is, and they're meeting God. 398 00:15:19,060 --> 00:15:20,020 And so what if. 399 00:15:20,500 --> 00:15:26,180 What if God is saying to us in Matthew 17 that I have the power 400 00:15:26,900 --> 00:15:30,100 to take these ancient prophets, pull them out of space 401 00:15:30,100 --> 00:15:31,900 in time and transfer them. 402 00:15:31,900 --> 00:15:35,340 And in the Bible, like almost always in the Old Testament, when 403 00:15:35,340 --> 00:15:36,340 they encounter a God. 404 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:37,380 We were talking about this earlier. 405 00:15:37,380 --> 00:15:40,650 Who's the fourth person in the fire with Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego? 406 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,400 Is that the pre incarnate Christ? 407 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:43,480 Is that the ancient of days? 408 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,600 Who comes, it seems to be, is the angel of the Lord. 409 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:47,080 Is that Christ? 410 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:47,840 Maybe, maybe not. 411 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,360 When Joshua is coming in and are you for us or against us? 412 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:52,040 He said, neither. 413 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:53,240 Basically, I'm above you. 414 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:55,320 And he bows before him and worships. 415 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,640 Was that the pre incarnate Christ, the ancient days, the glorious 416 00:15:57,640 --> 00:15:59,200 one who gave Jacob the limp? 417 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:00,320 Yeah. 418 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:01,200 Wrestled with him. 419 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:01,920 Who are you? 420 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,680 So it just seems to be that in the Old Testament when they meet 421 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,950 with God, it's the second person of the Trinity, it is the 422 00:16:08,950 --> 00:16:10,590 glorious one, the ancient days Christ. 423 00:16:10,830 --> 00:16:14,590 And here you have it in chapter 17, the veil is removed and 424 00:16:14,590 --> 00:16:18,470 they're seeing the glorious one, the ancient of days, a picture 425 00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:20,870 of what the pre incarnate Christ was like before he took on 426 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:21,310 flesh. 427 00:16:22,030 --> 00:16:26,990 And now Elijah and Moses are having that moment with him. 428 00:16:27,630 --> 00:16:30,270 And there was another detail in here that I had never noticed 429 00:16:30,270 --> 00:16:33,420 before that really makes me double blow my mind. 430 00:16:33,420 --> 00:16:34,700 I don't even know what to do with this. 431 00:16:34,700 --> 00:16:40,740 But if God stands above space and time, which he does, and I believe 432 00:16:40,740 --> 00:16:41,500 that y' all believe that. 433 00:16:41,500 --> 00:16:42,540 Hopefully y' all believe that. 434 00:16:43,340 --> 00:16:45,500 Then, yeah, there's a. 435 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:48,620 They were there, Moses and Elijah, both of them, for 40 days 436 00:16:48,700 --> 00:16:50,540 and 40 nights fasting. 437 00:16:51,020 --> 00:16:54,580 So you have in verse 8, the first kings, chapter 19, verse 8. 438 00:16:54,580 --> 00:16:56,220 And he arose and ate and drank. 439 00:16:57,020 --> 00:17:00,600 He was being fed by the ravens and went and the strength of that 440 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,720 food, 40 days and 40 nights to Horeb, the mount of God. 441 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,200 So he's fasting 40 days, 40 nights. 442 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:09,080 You know, you go back to the book of Exodus. 443 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,640 I believe this is in chapter 34. 444 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:13,080 Yep. 445 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:18,560 So in Exodus 34, he's recounting again that, that Mount 446 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,280 Sinai, Mount Horeb experience. 447 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:24,840 And you get to verse 27 of chapter 34 and it says, and the Lord 448 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:26,280 Said to Moses, write these words. 449 00:17:26,550 --> 00:17:28,990 For in accordance with these words, I have made a covenant with 450 00:17:28,990 --> 00:17:30,070 you and with Israel. 451 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:33,510 So he was there with the Lord 40 days and 40 nights. 452 00:17:33,590 --> 00:17:35,750 He neither ate nor drank water. 453 00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:37,990 And he wrote on the tablets the words of The Covenant. 454 00:17:37,990 --> 00:17:38,870 The Ten Commandments. 455 00:17:38,870 --> 00:17:39,350 Yeah. 456 00:17:39,670 --> 00:17:42,789 So 40 days, 40 nights, no food, no drink. 457 00:17:43,110 --> 00:17:45,190 The exact same amount of time that Elijah had. 458 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:46,230 No food, no drink. 459 00:17:46,390 --> 00:17:47,310 And they're hanging with him. 460 00:17:47,310 --> 00:17:49,870 And then, you know, the next verse, verse 29, when Moses came 461 00:17:49,870 --> 00:17:51,830 down from the Mount Sinai, which, by the way, is Mount Hore, 462 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,200 with the two tablets with the testimony in his hand, he came down 463 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:55,840 from the mountain. 464 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,720 Moses did not know that the skin of his face shone because he 465 00:17:58,720 --> 00:17:59,840 had been talking with God. 466 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,000 And what do you see in the transfiguration? 467 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,960 Glowing, ancient of days, here he is. 468 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:06,120 Moses comes down. 469 00:18:06,120 --> 00:18:08,240 His face is shining because he had been talking with God. 470 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,200 And how do the people talk with God in the Old Testament? 471 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:12,760 It seems to be the pre incarnate glory of Christ that they 472 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:13,200 meet with. 473 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:16,160 So I see all essentials coming together and going cajoles. 474 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,750 I think it clicked for me with that verse, honestly. 475 00:18:19,150 --> 00:18:21,710 Yeah, like, talking with God, like, he. 476 00:18:21,950 --> 00:18:25,390 Because in Matthew, like, he was talking with God like, you know, 477 00:18:25,390 --> 00:18:26,910 like Jesus, like a member of the Godhead. 478 00:18:26,910 --> 00:18:30,190 And so it's just like, okay, I think I'm tracking now because I 479 00:18:30,190 --> 00:18:30,670 think before. 480 00:18:30,830 --> 00:18:34,270 Because all of this is just very, like, why. 481 00:18:34,750 --> 00:18:36,990 Why should we look for this? 482 00:18:36,990 --> 00:18:38,310 Like, what's the point of. 483 00:18:38,310 --> 00:18:38,590 Like. 484 00:18:38,670 --> 00:18:39,590 Like, yeah, this is great. 485 00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:40,470 Like, yeah, it's crazy. 486 00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:40,990 Like, ooh. 487 00:18:40,990 --> 00:18:41,630 Like, wild. 488 00:18:41,630 --> 00:18:42,510 But, like, why? 489 00:18:42,750 --> 00:18:45,030 Well, what's the point of, like, thinking through this? 490 00:18:45,030 --> 00:18:45,890 Yeah, yeah. 491 00:18:47,010 --> 00:18:50,050 You know, I'll tell you my answer after I ask Zur. 492 00:18:50,690 --> 00:18:52,290 Well, Lee, why do you think this matters? 493 00:18:52,290 --> 00:18:54,770 Zur, what's in your mind as you think about the nuances of you 494 00:18:54,770 --> 00:18:55,010 kids? 495 00:18:55,490 --> 00:18:59,490 Well, even before all of that, I think the thing that really just 496 00:18:59,490 --> 00:19:02,530 shook me as you're going through verse after verse after verse 497 00:19:02,770 --> 00:19:06,770 is like, the thing that kept coming in my mind is like, I would 498 00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:07,650 never get here. 499 00:19:08,130 --> 00:19:09,970 Like, genuinely, I would never get here. 500 00:19:09,970 --> 00:19:13,080 Like, I knew of these stories in isolation. 501 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,400 And even when I'm spending time in my quiet time and I'm reading 502 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,840 over passage, I might get into the details, but as soon as I go 503 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,160 into the prophets, now, I forgot about, you know, and same 504 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,080 thing when I'm in the Gospels. 505 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:29,520 And so one thing I just love that you've demonstrated is the vastness 506 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,960 of Scripture, Old Testament, New Testament, and then to be able 507 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,480 to draw all of these connections to Me was. 508 00:19:38,370 --> 00:19:41,290 And I think it's meant to be joined together, because I agree. 509 00:19:41,290 --> 00:19:43,890 I think whenever I have the bad habit, and I'm sure other people 510 00:19:43,890 --> 00:19:46,930 do, of, like, when we read Scripture, we read it, like, as I'm 511 00:19:46,930 --> 00:19:49,170 reading Matthew Chapter five today, you know, like, it's very, 512 00:19:49,170 --> 00:19:49,970 like, isolated. 513 00:19:49,970 --> 00:19:53,130 But whenever you think about it and you read it as a whole, like. 514 00:19:53,130 --> 00:19:56,850 And even just thinking about the Gospels, like, the Gospels, they 515 00:19:56,850 --> 00:19:58,530 often reference the Old Testament. 516 00:19:58,530 --> 00:20:00,930 Like, they reference old Psalms, they reference stories. 517 00:20:00,930 --> 00:20:02,130 Like, and so it's like, I. 518 00:20:02,450 --> 00:20:05,130 You know, even the people in the Gospel, they reference the Old 519 00:20:05,130 --> 00:20:05,530 Testament. 520 00:20:05,530 --> 00:20:08,690 So why would I think that I can read it apart from that, you 521 00:20:08,690 --> 00:20:08,930 know? 522 00:20:08,930 --> 00:20:11,170 And so, like, reading the Bible as a whole and, like, how do 523 00:20:11,170 --> 00:20:11,810 they come together? 524 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:12,570 Because they do. 525 00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:13,930 And so what's the point of that? 526 00:20:13,930 --> 00:20:18,050 You know, I had this epiphany when I was in Israel with Pastor 527 00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:21,610 Gary, the previous Pastor Fielder, who just preached the Word. 528 00:20:21,930 --> 00:20:22,490 That's. 529 00:20:22,570 --> 00:20:23,090 I love it. 530 00:20:23,090 --> 00:20:24,810 I love that we get to partner that way. 531 00:20:25,050 --> 00:20:26,650 But he was my tour guide. 532 00:20:26,650 --> 00:20:29,290 He'd been to Israel already, like, 20 times or something, and 533 00:20:29,290 --> 00:20:30,170 that was my first time. 534 00:20:30,570 --> 00:20:35,610 And we're standing on top of Mount Carmel, and we're hearing about 535 00:20:36,460 --> 00:20:39,700 where Elijah had this showdown, because there is one clear 536 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:40,980 highest point right there. 537 00:20:40,980 --> 00:20:43,060 So you're like, that's one of those, like, X marks the spot. 538 00:20:43,060 --> 00:20:43,740 It happened here. 539 00:20:43,900 --> 00:20:44,300 Wow. 540 00:20:44,300 --> 00:20:45,380 And like, holy moly. 541 00:20:45,380 --> 00:20:47,380 But then he says, look out right over there. 542 00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:48,780 You see that little village? 543 00:20:48,780 --> 00:20:49,660 That's Nazareth. 544 00:20:50,540 --> 00:20:53,340 That's where Jesus lived. 545 00:20:53,420 --> 00:20:56,060 And, like, in my mind, I was like, huh? 546 00:20:56,460 --> 00:20:58,180 I can almost throw a stone to it. 547 00:20:58,180 --> 00:21:02,860 And it's right over the Valley of Jezreel next to Megiddo. 548 00:21:02,860 --> 00:21:05,900 Like, all this comes, like, Book of Revelation where Jesus is. 549 00:21:06,060 --> 00:21:07,810 The showdown with Elijah and the Prophets of Beth. 550 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,000 It's all right here. 551 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,960 And in my mind, I compartmentalize it, like, yeah, 552 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,200 Elijah is a totally different era, yes. 553 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:15,960 Moses, a totally different era, yes. 554 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:17,560 Jesus, a totally different era. 555 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,640 But it's all, like, right there. 556 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,720 It's all interconnected, and it's close. 557 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,600 And that's the thing that, for me, I think, is the most important. 558 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:29,360 When I go through this, what I realize is he is the same God, yesterday, 559 00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:30,520 today, and forever. 560 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:33,560 And these details are embedded in the Word of God. 561 00:21:34,190 --> 00:21:38,790 And I think, for me, I read the Bible every day, literally every 562 00:21:38,790 --> 00:21:38,990 day. 563 00:21:38,990 --> 00:21:42,710 And I'm memorizing big chunks of it so I can, like, internalize 564 00:21:42,710 --> 00:21:42,990 it. 565 00:21:43,710 --> 00:21:48,110 I have a master's degree in studying the Bible, and I do it a 566 00:21:48,110 --> 00:21:48,390 lot. 567 00:21:48,390 --> 00:21:49,630 And I want to do more. 568 00:21:50,030 --> 00:21:50,790 And I have not. 569 00:21:50,790 --> 00:21:51,150 I'm not. 570 00:21:51,150 --> 00:21:53,470 Like, I haven't scratched the surface of the Bible. 571 00:21:53,950 --> 00:21:54,950 Like, even you talk about. 572 00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:55,270 It's not. 573 00:21:55,270 --> 00:21:57,710 Like, I read this and like, oh, I remember reading that I had 574 00:21:57,710 --> 00:22:00,150 to do a lot of research because I was just so intrigued. 575 00:22:00,150 --> 00:22:01,950 I'm like, oh, okay, let me read about what happened there. 576 00:22:02,270 --> 00:22:03,070 Read about what happened there. 577 00:22:03,070 --> 00:22:03,630 Like, holy cow. 578 00:22:03,630 --> 00:22:06,490 And I do some Google research and I do some commentary work and 579 00:22:06,490 --> 00:22:08,130 like, oh, there's a connection here and here and here and here and 580 00:22:08,130 --> 00:22:08,370 here. 581 00:22:08,530 --> 00:22:11,090 And it was like one of those maps, you know, that you see when, 582 00:22:11,090 --> 00:22:13,490 like, somebody's trying to find a cross. 583 00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:14,650 All the cross he's got. 584 00:22:14,650 --> 00:22:16,450 This string connects to that thread. 585 00:22:16,450 --> 00:22:17,370 Strings everywhere. 586 00:22:17,370 --> 00:22:17,810 Yeah. 587 00:22:17,970 --> 00:22:19,570 It was like that was happening in the Bible. 588 00:22:19,570 --> 00:22:21,130 Like, this connects to that, connects to that. 589 00:22:21,130 --> 00:22:24,050 And then all of a sudden, I was like, oh, God, you are so big. 590 00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:24,690 Yeah. 591 00:22:24,850 --> 00:22:26,210 Your word is so deep. 592 00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:28,010 I love that there's so much truth here. 593 00:22:28,010 --> 00:22:31,090 And you've been like, I almost picture God, like, smiling, going. 594 00:22:31,090 --> 00:22:32,370 He finally big, you know. 595 00:22:33,910 --> 00:22:34,230 Yeah. 596 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:35,270 Excited that. 597 00:22:35,350 --> 00:22:38,990 That we would learn that His Word has so much depth and so much 598 00:22:38,990 --> 00:22:39,350 power. 599 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:43,030 And it makes me think, like, what am I going to discover tomorrow 600 00:22:43,030 --> 00:22:44,550 when I open up the Word of God? 601 00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:46,230 And next month when I. 602 00:22:46,230 --> 00:22:48,030 When I continue to read the Word of God? 603 00:22:48,030 --> 00:22:50,030 And next year when I read the Bible through again and the next 604 00:22:50,030 --> 00:22:51,670 year after that again and again and again? 605 00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:53,310 Like, what am I going to discover? 606 00:22:53,310 --> 00:22:55,710 What new thing am I going to learn about God that's been hidden 607 00:22:55,710 --> 00:22:58,670 there the whole time and he's just waiting for me to discover it? 608 00:22:58,670 --> 00:23:00,950 I think that for me, that was the most important part of this. 609 00:23:01,190 --> 00:23:02,830 And I think, like, it reminds me of. 610 00:23:02,830 --> 00:23:05,330 We did an episode like, a couple seasons ago, Eric. 611 00:23:05,410 --> 00:23:08,130 We talk about, like, does theology matter for normal Christians? 612 00:23:08,130 --> 00:23:09,450 Like, just kind of like, I'm not. 613 00:23:09,450 --> 00:23:10,490 I'm not going to seminary. 614 00:23:10,490 --> 00:23:11,690 Like, I don't need to know all that crap. 615 00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:12,410 Like, what? 616 00:23:12,410 --> 00:23:13,330 Like, doesn't matter. 617 00:23:13,410 --> 00:23:15,810 And I think one thing that Eric said that, and I think it was 618 00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:16,530 he was quoting someone. 619 00:23:16,530 --> 00:23:18,090 I don't know who he was quoting, but something about, like, 620 00:23:18,090 --> 00:23:20,290 the more I know about God, the less I know. 621 00:23:20,290 --> 00:23:20,650 Like. 622 00:23:20,650 --> 00:23:21,329 Like, when. 623 00:23:21,330 --> 00:23:25,130 When we study and when we spend more time with God, the more 624 00:23:25,130 --> 00:23:29,290 I realize there are so much more of you that I have zero understanding 625 00:23:29,290 --> 00:23:30,850 about and zero comprehension about. 626 00:23:31,090 --> 00:23:35,170 And I think, like, to your point, like, I think the. 627 00:23:35,490 --> 00:23:40,090 The point isn't, like, is like, did the Lord create a multiverse 628 00:23:40,090 --> 00:23:42,330 by bringing, like, Moses and Elijah? 629 00:23:42,330 --> 00:23:44,130 That's not that's not necessarily the question. 630 00:23:44,130 --> 00:23:46,330 Like, do you believe that the Lord could do this? 631 00:23:46,330 --> 00:23:47,250 Like, is your. 632 00:23:47,250 --> 00:23:50,890 Is your belief that God is outside of space and time and that 633 00:23:50,890 --> 00:23:53,850 he is sovereign over all things, that he can do it? 634 00:23:53,850 --> 00:23:54,250 Like, he. 635 00:23:54,250 --> 00:23:55,370 If he really wanted to, he could. 636 00:23:55,370 --> 00:23:56,210 Like, absolutely. 637 00:23:56,370 --> 00:23:58,410 Like, is that where your posture is? 638 00:23:58,410 --> 00:23:58,730 And it. 639 00:23:58,730 --> 00:24:01,420 Like, as we were talking about this, like, I was remembering, um, 640 00:24:01,420 --> 00:24:03,580 there was a season where, like, there was something, like, 641 00:24:03,580 --> 00:24:05,900 really hard, like, happening emotionally, and I was just, like, 642 00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:07,420 having a really hard time wrestling with it. 643 00:24:07,580 --> 00:24:10,980 And I remember laying in bed and I was, like, praying to the Lord, 644 00:24:10,980 --> 00:24:15,100 and I remember feeling such a deep sense of grief because I was, 645 00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:18,900 like, the only way that I will ever be able to escape this emotional 646 00:24:18,900 --> 00:24:20,820 pain is if it never happened. 647 00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:21,100 If. 648 00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:24,420 If we went back in time and made it to where this never happened, 649 00:24:24,420 --> 00:24:26,540 like, that's the only way I'll ever escape the pain. 650 00:24:26,540 --> 00:24:27,580 And there was just a. 651 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,880 Such a deep grief in that. 652 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,720 Like, I know that, like, the Lord won't go back in time and change 653 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:33,960 it. 654 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:34,760 Like, I know that. 655 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,000 And so there was just, like, such a deep grief in that. 656 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:39,800 And as we've been talking about that, the Lord reminded me 657 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,960 of that memory, and he was like, do you remember when that happened? 658 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:42,280 Like. 659 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,120 Like what? 660 00:24:43,120 --> 00:24:45,680 You know, now that I am outside of space and time, does that 661 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:46,960 change how you remember that? 662 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,880 Because then, like, now going back, like, I think now, if I would 663 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:51,160 experience. 664 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,680 If I was experiencing that exact same thing today, I think my. 665 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,440 My question wouldn't be, I know that the Lord won't do it, so 666 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:57,720 this pain is never going to go away. 667 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,520 It's like the Lord is in his. 668 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,600 In his sovereignty, is choosing not to go back in time to 669 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:03,360 change all of that. 670 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:05,160 So what is he trying to grow in me now? 671 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:05,840 You know what I'm saying? 672 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:10,040 And so, like, it gave me a new perspective on even how I view experiences 673 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,080 and even how I view, like, sufferings and things like that, 674 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:12,960 which we talk a lot about. 675 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,240 But just like, I want to have a hopeful perception of the Lord's 676 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,200 sovereignty as opposed to a limited perception of his sovereignty. 677 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:20,800 You know what I mean? 678 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,800 Because for me, that's one of the biggest takeaways, too, from 679 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:28,720 this, is not just an increased sense of excitement for the Word, 680 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,720 but an increased awe of God. 681 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,800 Because, truth be told, whether this theory is right or not, 682 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,200 and it's a theory, I have no idea. 683 00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,120 I won't know till I stand before we're going to go. 684 00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:38,040 Nope, got it wrong. 685 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:38,880 Oh, my bad. 686 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,399 Eris de Poncesta. 687 00:25:41,120 --> 00:25:46,240 But what it does remind me of though, is absolutely the same God. 688 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,720 Met with Peter, James and John on the Mount of Transfiguration and 689 00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:53,600 met with Moses on Mount Sinai, Horeb, and met with Elijah on Mount 690 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:53,990 Horeb. 691 00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:55,260 He's the same God. 692 00:25:55,580 --> 00:25:58,980 And he is right now in this very moment, meeting with Moses on 693 00:25:58,980 --> 00:26:02,540 Mount Sinai and meeting with Elijah on Mount Horeb. 694 00:26:02,780 --> 00:26:05,380 He is right now in this very moment, meeting with Peter, James 695 00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:06,900 and John on the Mount of Transfiguration. 696 00:26:06,900 --> 00:26:07,700 Because he's about time. 697 00:26:07,700 --> 00:26:08,100 And that's. 698 00:26:08,100 --> 00:26:09,420 My brain can't handle that. 699 00:26:09,660 --> 00:26:12,940 But he is in the future, he is in the present, he is in the past. 700 00:26:12,940 --> 00:26:14,860 He's doing all those at the exact same time. 701 00:26:15,100 --> 00:26:18,620 And the infiniteness of God. 702 00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:21,100 Every once in a while, that fire needs to be stoked a little 703 00:26:21,100 --> 00:26:24,540 bit in my mind so that I go, oh, God, may you increase, may I 704 00:26:24,540 --> 00:26:26,740 decrease, may I trust in your power and your sovereignty. 705 00:26:26,740 --> 00:26:27,980 Not in my power and my sovereignty. 706 00:26:27,980 --> 00:26:28,700 Because it's so easy. 707 00:26:28,700 --> 00:26:31,740 We were praying about it this morning as a staff, confessing how 708 00:26:31,740 --> 00:26:34,660 easy it is to take back control and think that we can handle 709 00:26:34,660 --> 00:26:35,060 it better. 710 00:26:35,380 --> 00:26:36,820 And like, how foolish is that? 711 00:26:36,980 --> 00:26:40,100 When there's a God who is right now in the past, in the present, 712 00:26:40,100 --> 00:26:41,060 he's already in the future. 713 00:26:41,220 --> 00:26:43,060 He's sitting there going, I know exactly what's. 714 00:26:43,060 --> 00:26:43,940 I'm here right now. 715 00:26:44,180 --> 00:26:45,700 Like, why would we not trust him? 716 00:26:45,940 --> 00:26:47,220 Why would we not look to him? 717 00:26:47,220 --> 00:26:51,230 So this also, you mentioned it, but the, the sovereignty and 718 00:26:51,230 --> 00:26:53,550 the glory and the majesty of God just elevates it for me. 719 00:26:53,550 --> 00:26:54,510 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 720 00:26:54,670 --> 00:26:57,590 Literally, in this moment, I'm literally bawling. 721 00:26:57,590 --> 00:26:57,950 I. 722 00:26:58,430 --> 00:27:00,350 If you can't see this, I'm crying. 723 00:27:00,510 --> 00:27:04,190 Just, I think wise because it just hit me in this moment, you, 724 00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:09,350 you said he is the same God, whether it was Moses, Elijah, whether 725 00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:12,910 it's Peter, James, John there in the transfiguration moment. 726 00:27:12,910 --> 00:27:17,400 And if he's the same God who encounters people today. 727 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:22,480 Like, the thought just really, I'm just in awe the fact that that 728 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,800 same God would want a desire to have an encounter with me. 729 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,520 And I'm like, man, who am I God? 730 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,679 Like, And I think like in scripture, you go in scripture. 731 00:27:30,679 --> 00:27:34,160 And the first, the first scripture that came to mind is in 732 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:34,720 Isaiah. 733 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,480 Whenever the Lord reveals himself to Isaiah and he's like seeing 734 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,600 God in his throne room. 735 00:27:40,930 --> 00:27:44,010 And like all the seraphim and the angels are like, holy, holy, 736 00:27:44,010 --> 00:27:45,890 holy is the Lord God Almighty and all that. 737 00:27:46,210 --> 00:27:50,370 And he like one of the declarations that he says is like, 738 00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:52,210 behold, I'm a man of unclean lips. 739 00:27:52,370 --> 00:27:55,210 And so I think there's, like, an understanding of, like, whenever 740 00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:58,930 I see the sovereignty and the goodness of God and I think of everything 741 00:27:58,930 --> 00:28:04,010 that he's done for me, like, I can't help but come to terms with 742 00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:06,010 my own unworthiness and sin. 743 00:28:06,010 --> 00:28:09,650 And, like, that is just, like, such a fertile place for the Lord 744 00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:14,810 to do his greatest work in us because the Holy Spirit is unquenched 745 00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:18,530 and he's free to do everything that he wants and to point out all 746 00:28:18,530 --> 00:28:20,490 the areas in my life that are the least like Jesus. 747 00:28:20,490 --> 00:28:24,370 And so I think there's a beauty that the Lord, in His kindness, 748 00:28:24,370 --> 00:28:27,650 like, he could leave us with that awe and that amazement of his 749 00:28:27,650 --> 00:28:29,330 goodness, and that would be sufficient. 750 00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:32,770 But because he's so much better than we can understand, he 751 00:28:32,770 --> 00:28:35,090 convicts us and he cleanses us and refines us. 752 00:28:35,090 --> 00:28:37,830 And I think even what you said earlier of, like, I remember as a 753 00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:39,030 kid, I was like, they would. 754 00:28:39,110 --> 00:28:41,550 My pastor growing up would say, like, yeah, and the Lord's blood 755 00:28:41,550 --> 00:28:44,710 can cover all your sins today and tomorrow and until you die. 756 00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:45,110 Like, the. 757 00:28:45,110 --> 00:28:47,270 And I remember just, like, questioning that because I was always 758 00:28:47,270 --> 00:28:48,950 skeptic and I was like, yeah, whatever. 759 00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:50,030 Like, he doesn't know what I'm going to do. 760 00:28:50,030 --> 00:28:53,430 Like, you know, all that and now understanding, like, the Lord 761 00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:54,590 is in and out of time. 762 00:28:54,590 --> 00:28:54,950 Like. 763 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:59,150 And so that reaffirms my belief that of course the blood of 764 00:28:59,150 --> 00:29:01,910 Jesus is sufficient because he does know all the sins that are going 765 00:29:01,910 --> 00:29:04,980 to be committed by me, by my children, by my children's children, 766 00:29:04,980 --> 00:29:05,780 you know, like, all that. 767 00:29:05,780 --> 00:29:09,900 Like, he does genuinely know the extent of the sin of humanity. 768 00:29:10,060 --> 00:29:13,260 And I can have even greater confirmation that the blood of Jesus 769 00:29:13,260 --> 00:29:14,100 is sufficient. 770 00:29:14,100 --> 00:29:15,420 You know, I don't know. 771 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:17,180 It's just like, I think whenever you. 772 00:29:17,180 --> 00:29:18,860 And again, like, I think this is. 773 00:29:19,100 --> 00:29:22,020 We're not trying to convince you guys of, like, the theory or, 774 00:29:22,020 --> 00:29:22,820 you know, like, that's not. 775 00:29:22,820 --> 00:29:23,340 That's not it. 776 00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:25,900 I think Jason might be. 777 00:29:26,860 --> 00:29:28,860 But, like, I think we're just trying to get you to understand, 778 00:29:28,940 --> 00:29:33,470 like, spend time, like, being willing to encounter God. 779 00:29:33,470 --> 00:29:37,430 Because it's not a question of, like, if I go there, the Lord, 780 00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:38,510 he may encounter me. 781 00:29:38,510 --> 00:29:39,030 He might not. 782 00:29:39,030 --> 00:29:40,910 Like, I might have had a bad sinful day that day. 783 00:29:40,910 --> 00:29:41,790 So he's not going to show up. 784 00:29:41,790 --> 00:29:42,190 Like, no. 785 00:29:42,190 --> 00:29:44,390 Like, are you willing to encounter God? 786 00:29:44,390 --> 00:29:46,950 I think that's really the posture and the question. 787 00:29:47,030 --> 00:29:49,590 What you said struck me as you were talking about it. 788 00:29:50,310 --> 00:29:50,750 He's. 789 00:29:50,750 --> 00:29:53,030 He's in my past, and he was. 790 00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:54,510 When I was a baby. 791 00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:55,750 He was already in my future. 792 00:29:55,750 --> 00:29:59,700 Yeah, he knew all the worst sins I was going to commit already, 793 00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:01,540 and he chose me anyway. 794 00:30:01,540 --> 00:30:02,420 Yeah, like that. 795 00:30:02,580 --> 00:30:06,380 I can go back to when I was 17 years old and I'm in Colorado with 796 00:30:06,380 --> 00:30:10,220 our youth group and the youth ministers asking, what is keeping 797 00:30:10,220 --> 00:30:12,060 you from trusting in Christ? 798 00:30:12,060 --> 00:30:14,180 And I realize nothing. 799 00:30:14,420 --> 00:30:16,100 Jesus can save me from my sin. 800 00:30:16,100 --> 00:30:18,620 He's calling me right now, and I'm ready to come, bow down. 801 00:30:18,620 --> 00:30:21,580 And I went forward and placed my faith in Christ, and then I got 802 00:30:21,580 --> 00:30:22,100 baptized. 803 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:27,880 And in that moment, he already knew all the terrible sins that I 804 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,480 would commit after that I had already committed before, and I would 805 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:32,120 commit after it. 806 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,760 And there's some heinous sins because I'm a sinner like everybody 807 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:35,120 else. 808 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,480 And he said, I choose you anyway. 809 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:41,440 I already know everything about you, your gravest sins, and 810 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,480 I choose you anyway. 811 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,920 Knowing that he knows that makes that moment so much greater. 812 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:47,720 And also what you said just affirms it. 813 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:50,970 Like, if he already knows every sin I've ever committed and 814 00:30:51,210 --> 00:30:54,370 loves me anyway and the blood of Christ, the blood of the ancient 815 00:30:54,370 --> 00:30:58,570 of days hanging on the cross is enough to cover up my sins, then 816 00:30:59,050 --> 00:31:02,090 I should be, just like you said, zur, utterly overwhelmed. 817 00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:04,970 Like, I can encounter you, God. 818 00:31:04,970 --> 00:31:07,850 I can go up to the high mountain, and I don't actually have 819 00:31:07,850 --> 00:31:08,770 to go up to a high mountain. 820 00:31:08,770 --> 00:31:11,450 I could just come to a place of encounter and meet with you. 821 00:31:11,450 --> 00:31:13,370 Which is interesting because that's what God took. 822 00:31:14,180 --> 00:31:17,860 This whole thing I shared in the sermon about a dream that I had. 823 00:31:18,340 --> 00:31:21,620 And since the Lord was saying that he's inviting our church to 824 00:31:21,620 --> 00:31:25,460 change what we do on Wednesday nights, not to be a prayer gathering. 825 00:31:25,780 --> 00:31:28,220 There's a lot of reasons for that, but I think people have a wrong 826 00:31:28,220 --> 00:31:31,460 view of what that is, and I think I was leading it incorrectly. 827 00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:34,780 I think the Lord is saying, this isn't Prayer Gathering 2.0. 828 00:31:34,780 --> 00:31:35,700 This is something brand new. 829 00:31:35,700 --> 00:31:39,380 And I'm inviting you not to come to a prayer gathering, but to 830 00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:43,720 come to an encounter where you meet the same God that Moses met 831 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,800 with that Elijah met with that Peter, James and John met with the 832 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,920 same God that Peter as he's getting the end of his life in second 833 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,760 Peter Chapter one, says, hey, remember when we were back on that 834 00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,240 high mountain and we saw God and heard the heavenly voice, like, 835 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:56,560 he never got over it. 836 00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:00,400 Like, we have that same opportunity every Wednesday to come 837 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:01,360 encounter God. 838 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,080 And God says, I'm ready to meet with you. 839 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,040 Just gotta come. 840 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,210 And so that's what made me realize I got to Matthew 17. 841 00:32:08,370 --> 00:32:09,970 I've got to cast this vision for the church. 842 00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:10,850 Yeah, yeah, See. 843 00:32:10,850 --> 00:32:12,930 Yeah, I have a question. 844 00:32:12,930 --> 00:32:14,890 Yeah, I'm. 845 00:32:14,890 --> 00:32:16,890 I'm trying to put on my Gen Z hat. 846 00:32:16,890 --> 00:32:18,130 I'm trying to put on my. 847 00:32:18,210 --> 00:32:22,210 You know, I talk to a lot of college students and I think a question 848 00:32:22,210 --> 00:32:26,810 that might come up is like, well, can't I encounter God, you 849 00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:30,130 know, in my car as I'm driving to school? 850 00:32:30,130 --> 00:32:33,850 You know, can I encounter God if I just go to church on a Sunday 851 00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:34,130 morning? 852 00:32:34,130 --> 00:32:37,220 Can I encounter God at the Bible study at my school? 853 00:32:37,700 --> 00:32:39,300 Like, what makes. 854 00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:43,820 What we're doing here on a Wednesday night, consecrating it 855 00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:44,980 and all that it is. 856 00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:48,620 Why is that so important as an opportunity to encounter God? 857 00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:49,700 Yeah, that's a great question. 858 00:32:49,700 --> 00:32:53,380 And the answer to all your questions was yes, you can anywhere. 859 00:32:54,500 --> 00:32:58,100 But there are unique moments when God wants to do something unusual. 860 00:32:58,580 --> 00:33:01,460 And oftentimes in those moments, he says, come meet me here. 861 00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,160 So God could have given the ten Commandments to Moses at the 862 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,960 bottom of the mountain, you know, and said, here's. 863 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,760 I'm going to speak with you. 864 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,800 But he says, I want you to go off to the top of the mountain. 865 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,720 He could have met with Elijah when he was, he was running and he 866 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:14,280 was over the. 867 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,960 In the crevice where the ravens are feeding him and just said, 868 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,640 I'm going to talk to you here. 869 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,680 But he says, no, I want you to run the horde and I want to meet 870 00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:20,040 you there. 871 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:21,880 He could have met with all 12 disciples. 872 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,760 Peter could have confessed that you are the Christ, the Son 873 00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:25,160 of living God. 874 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,800 And he could have said, here's who I really am, the majestic, glorious 875 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:29,720 one, the ancient of days. 876 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:30,440 But he didn't. 877 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,720 He said, I'm taking you three with me and I want you to come to 878 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:33,720 the place of encounter. 879 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:40,040 And in the Bible, I mean, we rightly so can be place averse because 880 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:43,720 too much emphasis was put on a place like the church was a building 881 00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:46,280 and you got to take off your hat and you got to dress up nice 882 00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,560 to go to the building as if that's the sacred space and not realizing 883 00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,400 Jesus is everywhere. 884 00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:50,920 And so. 885 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,880 But sometimes we can swing, especially Gen Z, the pendulum so 886 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,880 far the other way that we could forget that in the Bible there 887 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:58,430 are all kinds of places of encounter. 888 00:33:58,580 --> 00:34:01,060 Yeah, he had the tabernacle, which was the place where you come 889 00:34:01,220 --> 00:34:02,620 enter into and meet with God. 890 00:34:02,620 --> 00:34:04,420 And it would move it from place to place to place. 891 00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:06,340 The temple, obviously, for a season, the. 892 00:34:06,340 --> 00:34:08,820 Mount of Transfiguration, Jacob's Ladder, like there's like 893 00:34:08,820 --> 00:34:12,380 significant Moments where it's like they this and then like they 894 00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:14,660 encountered the Lord and then they made that part sacred. 895 00:34:14,660 --> 00:34:16,100 Like they made that location sacred. 896 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:16,340 Right. 897 00:34:16,340 --> 00:34:17,140 And I think. 898 00:34:17,300 --> 00:34:22,220 I think if the pendulum swings to like, you know, every place is 899 00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:23,540 sacred, then nothing becomes sacred. 900 00:34:23,540 --> 00:34:26,960 There are still moments when God says, I want to meet you at a 901 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,360 time and a place and I want you to show up. 902 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:31,520 And that's what I think God is doing for us on Wednesday nights. 903 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,120 He's saying, yeah, you can meet me in your car. 904 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:33,680 Do it. 905 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,840 You can meet me in the morning, please. 906 00:34:36,240 --> 00:34:38,920 I wake up every morning and I get up and I have a lengthy time 907 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,160 where I'm encountering the Lord. 908 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,800 But I think there's something different when he calls the whole 909 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:46,520 body together, just like they were encountering Jesus all through 910 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:48,000 those three years they were with him. 911 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,760 But something different happened on the Mount of Transfiguration. 912 00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:52,080 And I think that's what he's inviting us. 913 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:52,400 Something. 914 00:34:52,860 --> 00:34:55,300 Something different that he wants to do that is going to be in 915 00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:55,740 a place. 916 00:34:55,740 --> 00:34:56,260 Yeah. 917 00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:59,100 And that's why all of our campuses are coming together, the 918 00:34:59,100 --> 00:35:00,140 whole church in one place. 919 00:35:00,140 --> 00:35:03,940 Because then God is saying, join me 6:30 to 8:00pm in the Metro 920 00:35:03,940 --> 00:35:07,100 center, everybody together to come meet with me as one body. 921 00:35:07,420 --> 00:35:09,100 And I think too, like I. 922 00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:12,260 We mentioned this earlier, we were talking about it earlier of 923 00:35:12,260 --> 00:35:14,500 just like this morning in staff prayer. 924 00:35:14,500 --> 00:35:18,380 We were all praying together and you started off by. 925 00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:22,020 You kicked off some confession time and there was like people that 926 00:35:22,020 --> 00:35:25,420 were confessing and even those of us, like, I didn't confess anything 927 00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:27,940 out loud, but the Lord was convicting me and working in my heart 928 00:35:27,940 --> 00:35:29,740 and that was confessing things to the Lord. 929 00:35:30,940 --> 00:35:33,940 And I think there is just something about getting together 930 00:35:33,940 --> 00:35:39,740 with the people of God that when I hear the confession, it encourages 931 00:35:39,740 --> 00:35:44,300 my heart and the Spirit is able to use that tenderness there 932 00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:46,460 to convict and to guide. 933 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,280 And so I think there's just also something about gathering with 934 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:51,040 the people of God. 935 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,360 And like, Scripture talks about this. 936 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,400 Like, you know, there's even a letter, I think it's one of Paul's 937 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,360 letters where he's like, do not forsake the gathering of the 938 00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:56,600 people. 939 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,320 And so, like, I think we, we are as a culture, like Americans, 940 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,560 we're very like individualists, like, very isolating 941 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:03,400 in a lot of times. 942 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,280 And I think there's just something so countercultural about 943 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,240 gathering with people in the middle of the work week. 944 00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:09,120 I'm exhausted. 945 00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:10,320 I have all these things to do. 946 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,440 Like, I don't have time for this. 947 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,840 Like, there's just something so countercultural here. 948 00:36:14,260 --> 00:36:15,540 But I think that is. 949 00:36:15,540 --> 00:36:16,020 It's. 950 00:36:16,020 --> 00:36:16,660 I think it's. 951 00:36:16,660 --> 00:36:19,660 It's going to be the birthplace of something grand in 952 00:36:19,660 --> 00:36:22,100 people's lives in our city, you know, and. 953 00:36:22,500 --> 00:36:23,700 And again, like, it's not. 954 00:36:23,700 --> 00:36:24,940 It's not just happening here. 955 00:36:24,940 --> 00:36:27,020 I think that's another cool thing that we've been able to see 956 00:36:27,020 --> 00:36:29,979 is like the Lord is moving across churches across the United 957 00:36:29,979 --> 00:36:31,340 States, and then even all around the world. 958 00:36:31,340 --> 00:36:34,020 Like, we're hearing stories of people having these encounters with 959 00:36:34,020 --> 00:36:34,420 God. 960 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:38,260 And so this is just us as a church, like, getting to do it together 961 00:36:38,580 --> 00:36:41,220 and getting to worship together with the body, with our 962 00:36:41,220 --> 00:36:42,580 brothers and sisters next to us. 963 00:36:42,740 --> 00:36:43,220 I don't know. 964 00:36:43,220 --> 00:36:44,340 There's a thought I had. 965 00:36:44,420 --> 00:36:46,340 I've been debating about whether to share or not, but I'm 966 00:36:46,340 --> 00:36:46,660 gonna go ahead. 967 00:36:46,660 --> 00:36:47,220 Here you go. 968 00:36:48,340 --> 00:36:53,380 It second to last book of the Old Testament, the book of Zechariah, 969 00:36:54,100 --> 00:36:54,980 chapter 12. 970 00:36:56,420 --> 00:36:59,540 I was doing a kind of a slow reading through the book of Zechariah. 971 00:36:59,540 --> 00:37:01,700 I'm still actually doing a slow reading through the book, but 972 00:37:02,420 --> 00:37:04,060 it builds on what you said. 973 00:37:04,060 --> 00:37:08,300 It's in verse 10, and I'm reading the ESV, but I feel like 974 00:37:08,300 --> 00:37:08,580 the. 975 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,840 The New American Standard Bible does a better job translating 976 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:13,960 it. 977 00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:15,880 So I'm going to do some nuances to it. 978 00:37:17,240 --> 00:37:20,600 He says in Zechariah 12:10, and I will pour out on the house 979 00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:22,320 of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. 980 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,000 It says a spirit, but looking at the original language, the spirit 981 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:26,760 of grace. 982 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,920 And it says, please for mercy, but supplications is the also word. 983 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,680 So, like, I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants 984 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:35,120 of Jerusalem. 985 00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,000 By the way, I read this after I had had my dream of water on myself 986 00:37:39,070 --> 00:37:39,230 and. 987 00:37:39,780 --> 00:37:44,500 And I was reading it super slow in Hebrew, trying to get every 988 00:37:44,500 --> 00:37:45,140 single word. 989 00:37:45,380 --> 00:37:48,340 And so I translated it and I will pour out like, oh, I leaned 990 00:37:48,340 --> 00:37:49,860 in like, what's he about to say? 991 00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:53,580 And then when he said, on the house of David, and after hour, he's 992 00:37:53,580 --> 00:37:54,460 not gonna talk about the spirit. 993 00:37:54,460 --> 00:37:56,260 And then he says the ruach. 994 00:37:56,260 --> 00:37:57,460 The spirit. 995 00:37:58,020 --> 00:37:58,580 The what? 996 00:37:58,740 --> 00:37:59,540 The ruach. 997 00:37:59,540 --> 00:38:01,780 Yeah, that's Karl Meyer. 998 00:38:01,780 --> 00:38:02,220 Sorry. 999 00:38:02,220 --> 00:38:02,820 That's good. 1000 00:38:02,820 --> 00:38:07,500 Jewish brethren, spirit of grace and supplications are. 1001 00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:08,420 Pleads for mercy. 1002 00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:09,140 So that. 1003 00:38:09,140 --> 00:38:11,540 And this is going to build on what you just said. 1004 00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:16,100 So that when they look on me, on whom they have pierced, they shall 1005 00:38:16,100 --> 00:38:19,540 mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and weep bitterly 1006 00:38:19,540 --> 00:38:22,020 over him as one weeps over a firstborn. 1007 00:38:22,020 --> 00:38:24,380 This is, by the way, the same scripture that is Used in the New 1008 00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:27,020 Testament when talks about they will look upon him whom they 1009 00:38:27,020 --> 00:38:27,540 have pierced. 1010 00:38:27,940 --> 00:38:29,700 So clearly Messianic. 1011 00:38:29,860 --> 00:38:32,340 But it's saying that when we look on the one whom we've pierced 1012 00:38:32,340 --> 00:38:35,900 and recognize that we've pierced our sins, our sins, and we 1013 00:38:35,900 --> 00:38:38,380 weep and mourn more, what you're talking about, that's when 1014 00:38:38,380 --> 00:38:40,740 the Spirit of God is going to be poured out upon the people of 1015 00:38:40,740 --> 00:38:41,100 God. 1016 00:38:41,180 --> 00:38:45,140 And it's a spirit of grace and of supplications, like experiencing 1017 00:38:45,140 --> 00:38:48,620 the grace and forgiveness and power when we pray for things a pleas 1018 00:38:48,860 --> 00:38:50,380 for mercy and for God to move. 1019 00:38:50,860 --> 00:38:51,580 So I think. 1020 00:38:51,660 --> 00:38:52,820 I think it's saying to us. 1021 00:38:52,820 --> 00:38:55,740 I think he's saying to us because of who Christ is, the fulfillment 1022 00:38:55,740 --> 00:38:59,340 of this prophecy, that whenever we look upon him whom we 1023 00:38:59,340 --> 00:39:03,010 have pierced and confess our sins and we weep over our sins and 1024 00:39:03,010 --> 00:39:06,330 we get honest and open and stop trying to put the face on and 1025 00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:09,610 act like everything's in order and say, here's my junk and my crud. 1026 00:39:09,610 --> 00:39:11,850 Oh, God, forgive me to be the tax. 1027 00:39:11,930 --> 00:39:14,010 The tax collector, if it just beats his chest, won't even look 1028 00:39:14,010 --> 00:39:15,770 up and says, oh, God, have mercy on me, a sinner. 1029 00:39:16,090 --> 00:39:18,410 That's when the floodgates, I think of the Spirit are going to 1030 00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:18,969 pour upon us. 1031 00:39:18,969 --> 00:39:20,770 So I don't know what these encounter moments are going to look 1032 00:39:20,770 --> 00:39:20,970 like. 1033 00:39:20,970 --> 00:39:23,010 I just know confession is going to be a big part of it. 1034 00:39:23,010 --> 00:39:23,330 I agree. 1035 00:39:23,330 --> 00:39:24,250 And I think it has to be. 1036 00:39:24,250 --> 00:39:28,570 I think, like, we've been listening to this series by Carrie 1037 00:39:28,570 --> 00:39:29,210 Newhoff. 1038 00:39:29,210 --> 00:39:30,690 We can put it in the description too. 1039 00:39:30,690 --> 00:39:34,010 But he did a revival series and you had mentioned it too. 1040 00:39:34,510 --> 00:39:37,670 Um, and so we were listening to it, and on one of the episodes, 1041 00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:39,590 he said something that really struck me that I've been really, 1042 00:39:39,590 --> 00:39:41,710 like, chewing on the last couple days. 1043 00:39:42,350 --> 00:39:45,630 He talks about, like, how I think especially those who are already 1044 00:39:45,630 --> 00:39:50,350 believers or already like mature, seasoned believers, they. 1045 00:39:50,670 --> 00:39:53,670 They have a tendency of exhorting more than they examine. 1046 00:39:53,670 --> 00:39:56,590 And so it's like, I see your sin because it's apart from me. 1047 00:39:56,590 --> 00:39:58,230 And so, like, you shouldn't be doing that. 1048 00:39:58,230 --> 00:39:59,710 Like this here's a scripture like. 1049 00:39:59,710 --> 00:40:01,590 And not necessarily that that's bad. 1050 00:40:01,590 --> 00:40:03,750 I think in the posture that you do it, you're exhorting your 1051 00:40:03,750 --> 00:40:04,910 brother to be more like Christ. 1052 00:40:05,450 --> 00:40:09,010 But I think also there is a true piece of examining. 1053 00:40:09,010 --> 00:40:11,450 Like I'm like in that same scripture, like, is there something 1054 00:40:11,450 --> 00:40:13,970 the Lord needs to examine in my heart that I haven't confessed? 1055 00:40:13,970 --> 00:40:17,570 Is there an apology I need to give someone for something that I 1056 00:40:17,570 --> 00:40:18,290 did yesterday? 1057 00:40:18,290 --> 00:40:19,010 And Like, I. 1058 00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:21,530 And so I think there's something, too, about confession 1059 00:40:21,610 --> 00:40:23,850 being such a big part of it. 1060 00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:24,530 Of, like. 1061 00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:26,010 And you said this, too, to staff. 1062 00:40:26,010 --> 00:40:28,330 Like, you said something about, like, if the worst thing that 1063 00:40:28,330 --> 00:40:30,810 they say about me is that I listen to the spirit, I might be 1064 00:40:30,810 --> 00:40:33,110 a little off my rocker, I think, is what you said. 1065 00:40:33,190 --> 00:40:35,030 Whenever I was thinking about it, I was like, if. 1066 00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:38,190 Am I okay to look a little cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs? 1067 00:40:38,190 --> 00:40:41,070 But I love Jesus and I want to be more like Jesus. 1068 00:40:41,070 --> 00:40:42,470 Like, am I okay with that? 1069 00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:45,350 And so, like, I think even too, like, pride being a big part. 1070 00:40:45,350 --> 00:40:46,790 Like, how I'm perceived is a big part. 1071 00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:49,350 But, like, I ultimately, like, I. 1072 00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:51,470 Am I living for man, or am I living for. 1073 00:40:51,470 --> 00:40:51,990 For God? 1074 00:40:51,990 --> 00:40:55,350 And so I'm like, I think a confession is just so important. 1075 00:40:55,670 --> 00:41:00,240 And, like, I. I've just been so grateful for how the Lord has 1076 00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,680 been quick to reveal my sin to me. 1077 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,760 And, yeah, I mean, I just think I don't want people to miss 1078 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,440 that to rush confession, because I really want to sing. 1079 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:10,360 I really want to worship. 1080 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:11,400 Like, I'm going to rush through this. 1081 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,760 Like, no, like, wor. 1082 00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:14,920 Like, confession is just, like, such a. 1083 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:17,000 That's something that they talked about in the series. 1084 00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:17,960 Like, confession. 1085 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,280 It always starts with confession. 1086 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,840 Like, and so spending time, like, truly, like, being willing 1087 00:41:22,930 --> 00:41:26,200 to, like, if the Lord asked me to put my Bible down and go reconcile 1088 00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:28,720 with my brother, am I willing to do that for the sake of what he 1089 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:29,560 wants to do in me? 1090 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,480 And so I think that's also just, like, humility is also just 1091 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,960 such a key part of this. 1092 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,080 And so I'm looking forward to getting wrecked by those questions. 1093 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:38,120 Honestly. 1094 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,880 Like, I mean, I love what you're saying, and I think there's. 1095 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,360 For me, there's a confidence, because knowing one. 1096 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,160 How you guys have led over the past few years with prayer gatherings, 1097 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,390 how confession has been such a, like, paramount point. 1098 00:41:51,390 --> 00:41:54,150 We're going to do this every time we meet, but then also getting 1099 00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:57,750 to hear how, hey, that's also happening with encounters. 1100 00:41:57,750 --> 00:42:00,510 So maybe if you could just help me understand and help those 1101 00:42:00,510 --> 00:42:03,910 that are listening, especially those that maybe they have been part 1102 00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:05,750 of the prayer gathering and they're just kind of interested. 1103 00:42:05,830 --> 00:42:07,110 You mentioned there's differences. 1104 00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:08,790 It's not just a prayer gathering. 1105 00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:09,870 What are those differences? 1106 00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:10,870 Yeah, that's a great question. 1107 00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:13,670 And I don't know if I fully know the answer to that, because 1108 00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:15,870 there's some of this where I'm going, like, all right, open hands, 1109 00:42:15,870 --> 00:42:16,230 Lord. 1110 00:42:16,230 --> 00:42:17,190 Whatever you want to do. 1111 00:42:17,550 --> 00:42:21,950 The biggest one that I sense him Saying is that we have, I have 1112 00:42:23,150 --> 00:42:25,630 put too much control on the prayer gatherings. 1113 00:42:26,030 --> 00:42:27,950 So I was talking to one of the staff members. 1114 00:42:28,510 --> 00:42:31,350 So when I'm leading and the campus pastors are leading the prayer 1115 00:42:31,350 --> 00:42:32,830 gatherings, we're very loose. 1116 00:42:32,830 --> 00:42:36,710 Like, lord, whatever you want to do, switch that, strike it, move, 1117 00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:37,230 do that. 1118 00:42:37,230 --> 00:42:39,350 But he said out there in the congregation doesn't. 1119 00:42:39,350 --> 00:42:40,110 You don't feel it. 1120 00:42:40,110 --> 00:42:42,550 It just like we just told, like, okay, do this now, do this 1121 00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:43,470 now, do this now, do this. 1122 00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:46,640 So we're just going along with what seems like, you know, the ordained 1123 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:47,880 plan that you came up with earlier. 1124 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,720 And I realized there's just not enough freedom for people to 1125 00:42:50,720 --> 00:42:52,040 encounter God the way they need to. 1126 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:58,920 And so basically it's what, you know, used to be. 1127 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,000 Like, you never know what you're going to, what you're going 1128 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:02,760 to find when you come to the prayer gathering. 1129 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:05,720 I think it's going to have a very similar structure every week. 1130 00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,040 It's going to start with a much more robust time of worship. 1131 00:43:10,460 --> 00:43:13,060 And because we're all coming together, it's going to be richer 1132 00:43:13,060 --> 00:43:13,620 and deeper. 1133 00:43:13,620 --> 00:43:15,580 And, you know, I think there's going to be. 1134 00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:17,980 What I'm envisioning is just times where people are like on their 1135 00:43:17,980 --> 00:43:20,980 face before God in the front, spending as much time as they need 1136 00:43:20,980 --> 00:43:23,700 to confessing and weeping and dealing with sin or finding somebody 1137 00:43:23,700 --> 00:43:24,580 else and confessing. 1138 00:43:24,580 --> 00:43:28,820 And we're worshiping and we're hovering in that for 20, 30 minutes, 1139 00:43:28,820 --> 00:43:31,700 even more than we do on a Sunday morning, just able to cry 1140 00:43:31,700 --> 00:43:35,060 out to God and to worship him and see his glory as we lift him 1141 00:43:35,060 --> 00:43:35,260 high. 1142 00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:39,630 Then there's going to be a five to ten minute little teaching 1143 00:43:39,790 --> 00:43:43,870 about people who encounter God in the Bible and how they walk away 1144 00:43:43,870 --> 00:43:47,350 change just to spur us on from God's word of ways to think about 1145 00:43:47,350 --> 00:43:48,270 encountering God. 1146 00:43:48,750 --> 00:43:52,270 And then the rest of the time, the 45 minutes to hour that's left 1147 00:43:52,750 --> 00:43:55,670 is going to be you encounter God how you need to encounter him. 1148 00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:56,030 Wow. 1149 00:43:56,030 --> 00:44:00,670 And so we're going to start off experimenting with 10 or more 1150 00:44:00,670 --> 00:44:04,190 prayer stations around that could be places that it's like you 1151 00:44:04,190 --> 00:44:05,450 go as you need to. 1152 00:44:05,450 --> 00:44:07,530 We're still going to have a station which is prayer for the lost. 1153 00:44:07,530 --> 00:44:09,890 And I likely won't let us leave. 1154 00:44:10,610 --> 00:44:13,410 We've prayed for every last name every week because God is just 1155 00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:16,050 doing too much right now for us to abandon that. 1156 00:44:16,930 --> 00:44:19,610 There's going to be, you know, might have some initial confession 1157 00:44:19,610 --> 00:44:22,250 during worship, but there's a confession station where like we're 1158 00:44:22,250 --> 00:44:25,090 even picturing your got a black pen and a black piece of paper, 1159 00:44:25,090 --> 00:44:27,210 and you're writing your confession, confession on it and 1160 00:44:27,210 --> 00:44:28,210 nailing it to a cross. 1161 00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:30,050 No one can read it, but you know the Lord can. 1162 00:44:30,050 --> 00:44:32,030 And you're just saying, I'm putting it on the cross just to. 1163 00:44:32,420 --> 00:44:34,260 Just to get that out so we no longer are. 1164 00:44:34,260 --> 00:44:34,740 There's a. 1165 00:44:34,980 --> 00:44:37,300 A big cross and there'll be kneeling pads all around him. 1166 00:44:37,300 --> 00:44:40,540 You might just spend 45 minutes on your knees before Christ 1167 00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:42,820 and just worshiping him, being still before Him. 1168 00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:45,340 There's going to be people who can anoint you with oil and pray 1169 00:44:45,340 --> 00:44:45,860 over you. 1170 00:44:46,500 --> 00:44:49,220 There's going to be a station where there might be readings of 1171 00:44:49,220 --> 00:44:49,580 the Bible. 1172 00:44:49,580 --> 00:44:52,900 You just sit and read and there's going to be all in the. 1173 00:44:52,900 --> 00:44:53,300 There's a. 1174 00:44:53,300 --> 00:44:55,580 You're going to have a guide that shows you what all the prayer 1175 00:44:55,580 --> 00:44:57,140 stations are and where they're located. 1176 00:44:57,620 --> 00:45:01,020 And then you just go and say, spirit, how do you want me to encounter 1177 00:45:01,020 --> 00:45:01,460 you today? 1178 00:45:02,020 --> 00:45:06,260 And you just let the Lord take you place by place until we hit the 1179 00:45:06,260 --> 00:45:06,860 end of it. 1180 00:45:06,860 --> 00:45:08,100 And I'm envisioning it this way. 1181 00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:09,220 I have no idea if it's going to work this way. 1182 00:45:09,220 --> 00:45:11,620 But if I'm looking at the names of the people, if they're not 1183 00:45:11,620 --> 00:45:13,860 being prayed over the last 10 minutes, I might go, okay, all of 1184 00:45:13,860 --> 00:45:16,540 our efforts over here, let's come make sure we pray for every 1185 00:45:16,540 --> 00:45:17,140 last name. 1186 00:45:17,780 --> 00:45:19,220 But it's really just. 1187 00:45:19,700 --> 00:45:23,380 Oh, and one of the most important parts is we're going to 1188 00:45:23,380 --> 00:45:26,600 have a couple of elders who are down front who, if you know, 1189 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,120 an elder spiritual leader of a congregation. 1190 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,040 So a couple of the elders down front who are ready to receive somebody 1191 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:38,040 who might want to share a word with people either maybe, like me, 1192 00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:41,919 like a dream that they sense that God is saying something, a word 1193 00:45:41,919 --> 00:45:45,200 of insight the Lord has put on their heart, maybe even a public 1194 00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:50,160 confession of sin that they want to share something like that 1195 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,760 that they would want to share with the group. 1196 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:54,300 And the elders are there to filter it. 1197 00:45:54,300 --> 00:45:55,180 Yeah, to make sure. 1198 00:45:55,180 --> 00:45:55,740 Like, does. 1199 00:45:55,820 --> 00:45:59,500 Does it resonate with those elders that this is something that's 1200 00:45:59,500 --> 00:46:01,220 worth being shared and they'll have an opportunity. 1201 00:46:01,220 --> 00:46:04,460 We'll call everybody together and with a microphone say, all right, 1202 00:46:04,460 --> 00:46:05,140 time to share. 1203 00:46:05,140 --> 00:46:09,140 So that it's not just the person on the stage with the microphone 1204 00:46:09,140 --> 00:46:11,220 on talking, but the spirit of God can move. 1205 00:46:11,220 --> 00:46:12,940 And it's not going to be. 1206 00:46:13,100 --> 00:46:15,420 Come here, like, imag. 1207 00:46:15,740 --> 00:46:18,340 Image magnification speaker and band. 1208 00:46:18,340 --> 00:46:18,780 Like the. 1209 00:46:19,070 --> 00:46:22,270 The band is going to be not even lit up, and we're not looking 1210 00:46:22,270 --> 00:46:22,590 at them. 1211 00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:23,630 We're worshiping the Lord. 1212 00:46:23,630 --> 00:46:25,230 There's a big cross in the center stage. 1213 00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:28,950 The screens are turned off other than just, like, scriptures 1214 00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:32,030 and things on there, because the focus is not any human being. 1215 00:46:32,030 --> 00:46:34,750 The focus is the Lord Jesus Christ and coming to encounter him. 1216 00:46:34,910 --> 00:46:38,310 And so it's a chance for all of us to be led by the Spirit and 1217 00:46:38,310 --> 00:46:38,750 respond. 1218 00:46:38,750 --> 00:46:42,590 I love that last sentence that you said, because everything you're 1219 00:46:42,590 --> 00:46:47,190 describing in my mind is to say we really are saying the same 1220 00:46:47,190 --> 00:46:49,750 spirit of God who's in you, Jason, is the same spirit of God 1221 00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:52,550 who's in all of us that are part of feel the church. 1222 00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:55,110 Like, every believer has the same spirit of God. 1223 00:46:55,110 --> 00:46:58,470 And these moments are opportunities to listen to the spirit. 1224 00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:59,030 Spirit of God. 1225 00:46:59,030 --> 00:46:59,830 What do you have for me? 1226 00:46:59,830 --> 00:47:00,710 Is it to go to this station? 1227 00:47:00,710 --> 00:47:01,630 To go to that station? 1228 00:47:01,950 --> 00:47:04,910 But then even, like, you mentioned, like, an opportunity to. 1229 00:47:05,470 --> 00:47:06,750 Am I hearing from the spirit? 1230 00:47:06,750 --> 00:47:10,350 Is there a word of insight and then getting an opportunity to exercise 1231 00:47:10,350 --> 00:47:12,400 that I think is just amazing. 1232 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:12,920 It's amazing. 1233 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:13,400 It's powerful. 1234 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,880 Yeah, I. I also kind of want to ask, like, you know, Marty and 1235 00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,320 I were just talking about, you know, I think we're. 1236 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:21,520 We're big feelers. 1237 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:24,520 I think, specifically, like, millennials and gen zers are like, 1238 00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,440 we're big on feelings. 1239 00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:26,640 Like, yeah, we're, like, super big. 1240 00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,320 Some of us are like, anyways, I could keep going, but all I have 1241 00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:32,000 to say is, like, what if I am. 1242 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:35,280 Like, I don't know if I've ever had, like, yeah, I've. 1243 00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:36,600 I've given my life to Jesus. 1244 00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:38,480 You know, I feel like I've been sealed with the Holy Spirit, 1245 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:40,610 but, like, I don't know if I've ever encountered Him. 1246 00:47:40,610 --> 00:47:43,610 Like, they're expecting, like, a physical manifestation or, like, 1247 00:47:43,610 --> 00:47:46,610 an audible voice or, like, some crazy feeling inside. 1248 00:47:47,090 --> 00:47:48,130 Like, how. 1249 00:47:48,370 --> 00:47:52,810 And, you know, I think there's, like, some level to, you 1250 00:47:52,810 --> 00:47:56,450 know, weigh what you experience, like, to the word of 1251 00:47:56,450 --> 00:47:58,610 God of, like, is this like, honoring to Jesus? 1252 00:47:58,610 --> 00:48:03,010 Is this, you know, all that, but also challenging that to, like, 1253 00:48:03,090 --> 00:48:05,690 sometimes the Lord speaks in a whisper, and it's not always like, 1254 00:48:05,690 --> 00:48:06,530 the grand fire. 1255 00:48:06,770 --> 00:48:10,950 How would you recommend that people who come to this expecting 1256 00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:16,510 something crazy and might leave somewhat disappointed, how 1257 00:48:16,510 --> 00:48:17,550 would you temper that? 1258 00:48:17,550 --> 00:48:18,750 Yeah, yeah, that's great. 1259 00:48:18,830 --> 00:48:26,710 I think what, you hit a hammer right on the head of the nail, it 1260 00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:30,150 is expecting God to meet with you and do whatever he wants to in 1261 00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:31,870 you, and that may not feel good. 1262 00:48:32,510 --> 00:48:35,460 And so coming in thinking, like, yeah, I'm going to walk away 1263 00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:38,300 feeling like a million Bucks like that's, that's me trying to 1264 00:48:38,300 --> 00:48:41,140 control the environment and projecting on God what he must do 1265 00:48:41,140 --> 00:48:41,460 to me. 1266 00:48:41,460 --> 00:48:41,860 Yes. 1267 00:48:42,660 --> 00:48:44,700 And that, that falls more in line with the health, wealth and 1268 00:48:44,700 --> 00:48:47,100 prosperity gospel, which says like he's, he's here. 1269 00:48:47,100 --> 00:48:49,140 He's my little genie that I rub every once in a while. 1270 00:48:49,140 --> 00:48:49,820 He does what I want. 1271 00:48:49,820 --> 00:48:50,260 Yeah. 1272 00:48:50,660 --> 00:48:53,180 That ain't Moses did not tell God what to do. 1273 00:48:53,180 --> 00:48:54,660 Elijah didn't tell God what to do. 1274 00:48:54,660 --> 00:48:57,580 Peter, James and John, when Peter's trying to tell him what to 1275 00:48:57,580 --> 00:48:58,340 do, the boom. 1276 00:48:58,820 --> 00:48:59,380 Anyways. 1277 00:49:01,450 --> 00:49:06,850 And so like it's for us to come and say do whatever you want 1278 00:49:06,850 --> 00:49:07,450 to with me. 1279 00:49:09,050 --> 00:49:11,090 I'm here to meet with you. 1280 00:49:11,090 --> 00:49:13,770 And this may hurt, but I need it. 1281 00:49:14,170 --> 00:49:17,650 Or this may feel amazing and I may have an epiphany and you know 1282 00:49:17,650 --> 00:49:18,250 I need it. 1283 00:49:18,250 --> 00:49:21,450 Or it may just be I'm coming with this weight of my own sin or 1284 00:49:21,450 --> 00:49:22,450 this situation going on. 1285 00:49:22,450 --> 00:49:25,210 I'm just laying it down at the cross and I leave lighter. 1286 00:49:25,210 --> 00:49:28,920 Yeah, just work, you know, so many of you worship day in and day 1287 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,720 out in a marketplace like schools and businesses and all. 1288 00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:35,800 You know, we get the privilege of working in the church. 1289 00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:36,920 Yeah, it's easier. 1290 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:40,640 But some people do they have to worship in the public sphere because 1291 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,240 that's their life. 1292 00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,960 And by worship, I don't mean to sing song like Living for God. 1293 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,040 And it gets exhausting to try to live for the Lord outside with. 1294 00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,040 With a bunch of people who don't care much for Jesus. 1295 00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,370 And so the comedy and lift that burden and that weight and sing 1296 00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:56,130 with a bunch of people who love Jesus. 1297 00:49:56,130 --> 00:50:01,730 Like that idea of I came in here burdened and I left free that 1298 00:50:01,730 --> 00:50:04,090 we can expect every single week, whatever that needs to look 1299 00:50:04,090 --> 00:50:06,770 like, however still small voice. 1300 00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:09,970 That may be painful, it may be life giving. 1301 00:50:09,970 --> 00:50:10,610 It may be. 1302 00:50:10,850 --> 00:50:12,770 But the one thing you see again and again in the scriptures 1303 00:50:12,770 --> 00:50:14,810 when people meet with God, sometimes it's woe is me. 1304 00:50:14,810 --> 00:50:16,690 For I'm a man of unclean lips and I live among other people with 1305 00:50:16,690 --> 00:50:17,330 unclean lips. 1306 00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:20,840 Sometimes it's shining face and they come down with faces glowing 1307 00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:22,120 and everywhere in between. 1308 00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:26,200 But you never ever walk away with an encounter with God the same. 1309 00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:28,600 And that's what I would want people to come with that expectation. 1310 00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:30,920 He's going to change me tonight and I'm going to keep showing 1311 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,000 up because I don't know what it's going to be this next week and 1312 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,040 the next week and the next week. 1313 00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,720 And I think that's the key part is I heard a message. 1314 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,200 I'm Curious to hear what your thoughts are. 1315 00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,680 But this is when I was baby believer, and podcasts were my form 1316 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:42,800 of discipleship at the time. 1317 00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,640 But it was listening to a sermon from this pastor in Montana, 1318 00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:49,030 and he was talking about how he's like some. 1319 00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:53,750 You know, whenever I pray or whenever I seek the Lord, sometimes 1320 00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:56,510 he doesn't speak to me until the 20th time that I came. 1321 00:50:56,590 --> 00:50:59,110 And then sometimes it's the first time and sometimes it's the 1322 00:50:59,110 --> 00:51:01,350 fifth time, but it's the AM. 1323 00:51:01,350 --> 00:51:04,830 I'm consistently dependent, seeking an answer, even if I don't 1324 00:51:04,830 --> 00:51:06,270 walk away with it at that time. 1325 00:51:06,590 --> 00:51:08,990 Is that something that you feel like could happen? 1326 00:51:09,550 --> 00:51:11,230 Encounter, like at these meetings? 1327 00:51:11,470 --> 00:51:15,600 So until a really fast story that happened to me. 1328 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,480 So I. I was. 1329 00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:20,400 This was maybe 15 years ago, and I was going out for my morning 1330 00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:21,040 run, and I always. 1331 00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,680 I would always put on music and just. 1332 00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,000 And go for as before. 1333 00:51:24,240 --> 00:51:25,080 Podcasts were big things. 1334 00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,880 So I was just listening to music, going out for a run, and I 1335 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,359 love that time of just getting out, being by myself, and running, 1336 00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:31,840 exercising. 1337 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:32,480 Listen, music. 1338 00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:35,760 In this particular morning, I felt the Lord saying, no music today. 1339 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:36,720 I want to speak to you. 1340 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,720 And I thought, okay, are you sure, Lord? 1341 00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:39,480 Because I like my music. 1342 00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,450 Okay, but I. I want you, Lord. 1343 00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:44,730 So I didn't put my headphones on and I. I went out for my run. 1344 00:51:44,730 --> 00:51:46,810 The first five minutes, I'm like, all right, Lord, I'm ready. 1345 00:51:46,970 --> 00:51:47,610 Give it to me. 1346 00:51:47,610 --> 00:51:49,290 What opinion do you have for me? 1347 00:51:49,450 --> 00:51:50,330 Give me something big. 1348 00:51:50,410 --> 00:51:51,290 Okay, not yet. 1349 00:51:51,530 --> 00:51:52,930 Ten minutes in, God, I'm ready, Lord. 1350 00:51:52,930 --> 00:51:53,450 I'm ready. 1351 00:51:53,690 --> 00:51:54,730 I hit 20 minutes. 1352 00:51:54,730 --> 00:51:55,690 It was a 40 minute run. 1353 00:51:55,690 --> 00:51:57,530 I turn around, I come back like, you haven't spoken yet, but 1354 00:51:57,530 --> 00:51:58,170 we got the second house. 1355 00:51:58,170 --> 00:51:59,610 God, I'm ready to hear from you. 1356 00:51:59,770 --> 00:52:00,810 30 minutes, nothing. 1357 00:52:00,810 --> 00:52:01,850 35 minutes, nothing. 1358 00:52:01,850 --> 00:52:03,210 30, 39 minutes. 1359 00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:05,130 I'm now entering into my neighborhood. 1360 00:52:05,610 --> 00:52:06,050 Nothing. 1361 00:52:06,050 --> 00:52:07,800 Like, just nothing. 1362 00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,080 No thought coming to my mind. 1363 00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:10,400 I'm like, God, where are you? 1364 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,520 I turned the corner. 1365 00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,160 I've got the last 15 seconds of my run, and I'm upset. 1366 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,880 Like, either I didn't hear you, Lord, or you just didn't show 1367 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:21,160 up like you said you were the last five seconds. 1368 00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:24,200 As I'm running up to my house, I hear as clearly as I've heard the 1369 00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:24,800 speak ever before. 1370 00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:27,440 And he said, I just wanted you to be hungry for my voice, Basim. 1371 00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,200 I just wanted you to remember what it feels like to be hungry for 1372 00:52:30,200 --> 00:52:30,720 my voice. 1373 00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:33,200 Remember what it feels like. 1374 00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,690 Okay, God, that's a good word. 1375 00:52:36,650 --> 00:52:40,250 And I walked away needing that slap in the fitness. 1376 00:52:40,570 --> 00:52:42,810 So I absolutely think that God does that. 1377 00:52:42,890 --> 00:52:43,930 He makes us hung. 1378 00:52:43,930 --> 00:52:49,370 But see, Even in the 35 minutes, the 39 minutes and 55 seconds, 1379 00:52:49,610 --> 00:52:52,090 I was encountering God, I just didn't know it. 1380 00:52:52,730 --> 00:52:55,890 He was meeting with me because he's creating hunger, even angst 1381 00:52:55,890 --> 00:52:57,170 inside me for his voice. 1382 00:52:57,170 --> 00:52:59,850 And then he brings it to me, and I hear his voice, and all he 1383 00:52:59,850 --> 00:53:00,770 has to say is one sentence. 1384 00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:02,800 And it was a little bit like, job at the end. 1385 00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:07,120 Like, I cover my mouth in pensions and dust and ashes, because 1386 00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:07,720 now I know. 1387 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,760 And so, yeah, I think God will do that. 1388 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:12,400 Yeah, I think that's. 1389 00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:15,760 That's also hilarious because I think also what he was doing in 1390 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:21,320 that, too, of those, like, 39 and 55 seconds, he was also revealing 1391 00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:25,160 into your own expectation, like, even and even. 1392 00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,360 Sometimes I feel like there's been times where the Lord has done 1393 00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,570 things to me similarly, where I think in that moment before he 1394 00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:32,370 speaks, he's revealing to me my own sin. 1395 00:53:32,370 --> 00:53:33,410 Like, and so I'm, like. 1396 00:53:33,490 --> 00:53:36,890 I'm, like, sinning because I'm angry or, like, expectant or, like, 1397 00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:38,370 you know, frustrated, whatever. 1398 00:53:38,450 --> 00:53:40,290 You know, control issues and all that. 1399 00:53:40,290 --> 00:53:43,890 And then in the last, you know, hoorah, he reveals himself, 1400 00:53:43,890 --> 00:53:45,849 and then he's like, look at all that, homie. 1401 00:53:45,849 --> 00:53:46,770 Like, and, you know, there's. 1402 00:53:46,770 --> 00:53:47,130 There's. 1403 00:53:47,130 --> 00:53:50,650 And he doesn't do it maliciously or unkindly. 1404 00:53:50,650 --> 00:53:53,650 He does, in his kindness, to, like, show, like, how quick were 1405 00:53:53,650 --> 00:53:57,250 you to be frustrated and question whether or not I'm willing 1406 00:53:57,250 --> 00:53:57,730 to speak. 1407 00:53:57,890 --> 00:54:00,610 And so I think even that, too, of coming with. 1408 00:54:00,890 --> 00:54:03,370 I think it goes back to, like, come with expectation, but you don't 1409 00:54:03,370 --> 00:54:04,650 get to decide what you. 1410 00:54:04,650 --> 00:54:06,570 What he gives you in that time. 1411 00:54:07,050 --> 00:54:09,130 Um, but, yeah, that's good. 1412 00:54:09,850 --> 00:54:10,610 Praise God. 1413 00:54:10,610 --> 00:54:13,370 Okay, do you have any final questions or thoughts? 1414 00:54:14,330 --> 00:54:17,610 I mean, let's throw it to Jason, because I know you. 1415 00:54:17,610 --> 00:54:18,730 You came with this podcast. 1416 00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:22,170 Like, man, like, I'm so excited about all these things. 1417 00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:25,250 Is there anything left on the table that you're just like, man, 1418 00:54:25,250 --> 00:54:25,850 I gotta. 1419 00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:26,570 I gotta say this. 1420 00:54:26,570 --> 00:54:29,670 You gotta say this, Becky, you said it already. 1421 00:54:29,670 --> 00:54:31,990 And I would just highly encourage you to go back and listen 1422 00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:34,310 to the message if you didn't hear it on October 5th. 1423 00:54:35,030 --> 00:54:36,710 Because I believe God is saying. 1424 00:54:37,830 --> 00:54:40,790 And I say this in a message, and I want to say it again. 1425 00:54:41,350 --> 00:54:44,310 I'm not inviting the church the prayer time. 1426 00:54:44,550 --> 00:54:47,750 I'm not inviting the church to encounter him. 1427 00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:50,070 I think God is inviting us to encounter him. 1428 00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:55,770 Speaking to me for the first time in my life through a dream and 1429 00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:56,850 affirming. 1430 00:54:56,850 --> 00:55:02,170 It in so many ways with so many people so quickly made me realize 1431 00:55:02,730 --> 00:55:06,290 that God himself is inviting us as a church to come meet him. 1432 00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:09,650 And I don't know about anybody else, but if God's inviting me, I 1433 00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:10,410 want to show up. 1434 00:55:10,730 --> 00:55:14,530 And so if there's anything I could beg the people of God to do, 1435 00:55:14,530 --> 00:55:17,410 those of you who are in the field of church orbit would be to 1436 00:55:17,410 --> 00:55:17,930 show up. 1437 00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:19,850 And I say this in the message, and I want to say it again. 1438 00:55:19,850 --> 00:55:20,270 Like it. 1439 00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:22,780 To encounter God, you don't have to be good at prayer. 1440 00:55:22,780 --> 00:55:23,460 You don't have to be. 1441 00:55:23,460 --> 00:55:24,500 You just got to show up. 1442 00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:24,980 Yeah. 1443 00:55:25,140 --> 00:55:28,580 And come throw your expectations aside. 1444 00:55:29,220 --> 00:55:31,220 Don't come going, but what's he gonna do now with that? 1445 00:55:31,220 --> 00:55:33,380 Just come saying, God, I'm ready to meet with you. 1446 00:55:33,860 --> 00:55:35,300 Whatever you want to do with me. 1447 00:55:35,860 --> 00:55:36,860 I couldn't say that enough. 1448 00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:37,780 Beg the church. 1449 00:55:38,340 --> 00:55:40,820 I'm showing up not because this is my job. 1450 00:55:41,540 --> 00:55:45,020 It is my job, but because I want to meet with God, a God who's 1451 00:55:45,020 --> 00:55:45,940 saying, come meet with me. 1452 00:55:46,530 --> 00:55:49,090 And so that's the biggest message I have for everybody. 1453 00:55:49,090 --> 00:55:49,610 I love that. 1454 00:55:49,610 --> 00:55:52,690 Yeah, I think, too, I'd love to hear your thoughts on. 1455 00:55:52,930 --> 00:55:56,730 You know, there's some people, I have friends that we all grew up 1456 00:55:56,730 --> 00:56:00,130 together, and, you know, some of them, most of them, you know, 1457 00:56:00,130 --> 00:56:01,810 I think we all strayed away from the faith. 1458 00:56:01,810 --> 00:56:04,770 And I've committed my life to the Lord since then. 1459 00:56:04,770 --> 00:56:07,850 But we've had conversations about faith before, and I think one 1460 00:56:07,850 --> 00:56:11,890 thing that comes up is I just am too far gone, man. 1461 00:56:12,300 --> 00:56:14,500 Like, I am so busted. 1462 00:56:14,500 --> 00:56:16,260 And I've done so many terrible things. 1463 00:56:16,260 --> 00:56:18,380 Like, I am just too lost. 1464 00:56:18,540 --> 00:56:20,180 I can't encounter the Lord. 1465 00:56:20,180 --> 00:56:23,700 Like, I have to probably fast for 40 days and 40 nights, like these 1466 00:56:23,700 --> 00:56:25,540 guys in the Bible, like, before I can show up. 1467 00:56:25,540 --> 00:56:27,500 I need to clean myself off before I come. 1468 00:56:28,940 --> 00:56:30,980 What would you say as an invitation? 1469 00:56:30,980 --> 00:56:33,740 Like, is the invitation closed off to them because of that? 1470 00:56:33,740 --> 00:56:34,100 Yeah. 1471 00:56:34,100 --> 00:56:34,940 No, that's a great question. 1472 00:56:35,980 --> 00:56:38,220 I think if you look at the encounters we've been talking about. 1473 00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:42,840 So you have Moses, who's a murderer, who can't even speak for 1474 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:43,800 himself, not willing to. 1475 00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,080 He's got to get his big brother to come help him out. 1476 00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,160 People grumbling against him all the time. 1477 00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,600 He feels like a loser as a leader, and he gets to come meet 1478 00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,480 with Almighty God, feels like a failure, gets to come meet with 1479 00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:54,640 God. 1480 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,160 You got Elijah, who is literally at the point of wanting 1481 00:56:57,160 --> 00:56:58,000 to take his own life. 1482 00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,760 And I have some people listening to this right now who are 1483 00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,120 saying, I feel Like I shouldn't even live anymore. 1484 00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:04,640 And God met him. 1485 00:57:05,110 --> 00:57:05,710 You got Peter. 1486 00:57:05,710 --> 00:57:09,510 Remember, God's in the future, even as he's in the present. 1487 00:57:09,910 --> 00:57:12,790 So he's meeting with Peter, and he knows Peter is about to deny 1488 00:57:12,790 --> 00:57:14,950 him three times in front of servant people. 1489 00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:17,750 And he still invites him to the place of encounter up on the 1490 00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:18,070 mountain. 1491 00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:20,150 Like, there's just he. 1492 00:57:20,310 --> 00:57:23,190 He invites the most broken people to come meet him. 1493 00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:27,590 And I mentioned this in the sermon, but the transfiguration is 1494 00:57:27,590 --> 00:57:29,350 to show us who dies on the cross. 1495 00:57:29,590 --> 00:57:31,670 It's not some deranged rabbi. 1496 00:57:31,670 --> 00:57:37,060 It is the ancient of days, the holiest, most pure of all entities 1497 00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:38,660 who hangs on the cross. 1498 00:57:38,820 --> 00:57:40,580 And therefore the ancient of days. 1499 00:57:40,580 --> 00:57:43,860 Blood has the power to purify us from every single one of our iniquities 1500 00:57:43,860 --> 00:57:45,300 and our sins and our brokenness. 1501 00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:48,620 We are the most broken, are the ones who are most invited to 1502 00:57:48,620 --> 00:57:50,780 the banquet table because they know how much they need Jesus. 1503 00:57:50,780 --> 00:57:52,380 I didn't come for the healthy. 1504 00:57:52,380 --> 00:57:53,300 I came for the sick. 1505 00:57:53,540 --> 00:57:56,220 And it's the sick and the broken and the needy and the distraught. 1506 00:57:56,220 --> 00:57:58,260 He's saying, I want you to come meet with me. 1507 00:57:58,260 --> 00:57:59,750 I'm ready to encounter you. 1508 00:58:00,140 --> 00:58:03,420 And so my word would be to anybody who's feeling not worthy, 1509 00:58:03,420 --> 00:58:06,620 you are exactly where you need to be to encounter the risen Lord 1510 00:58:06,620 --> 00:58:07,020 Jesus Christ. 1511 00:58:07,020 --> 00:58:07,900 I just pray you'll come. 1512 00:58:08,620 --> 00:58:09,140 I agree. 1513 00:58:09,140 --> 00:58:13,340 And as you were talking, it reminded me of this passage. 1514 00:58:13,740 --> 00:58:15,739 Let me see if I can find the esv. 1515 00:58:15,739 --> 00:58:16,100 I don't know. 1516 00:58:16,100 --> 00:58:18,020 I've never heard of this version that they just put up there. 1517 00:58:18,020 --> 00:58:22,500 But talking about the sinful woman who was forgiven, and, you 1518 00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:25,260 know, she washes Jesus feet and she uses her hair. 1519 00:58:25,870 --> 00:58:29,670 And I'm just reminded of what Jesus said about her, is that he 1520 00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:32,550 was like, her sins, which are many, she has been cleansed. 1521 00:58:32,550 --> 00:58:35,870 And because she has sinned so much and has been forgiven so much, 1522 00:58:35,950 --> 00:58:38,510 she loves me like she loves much. 1523 00:58:38,590 --> 00:58:41,150 And so I think even too, like, there we. 1524 00:58:41,630 --> 00:58:44,910 I think whenever we become so aware of our brokenness, which some 1525 00:58:44,910 --> 00:58:47,230 like the people that we were talking about a second ago, that 1526 00:58:47,230 --> 00:58:49,110 audience, like, they're already at that step. 1527 00:58:49,110 --> 00:58:50,430 Like, you're already halfway there. 1528 00:58:50,670 --> 00:58:55,070 I think now just receive the grace that is given by the blood 1529 00:58:55,070 --> 00:58:57,750 of Jesus whenever you repent with a humble heart, you know. 1530 00:58:57,750 --> 00:58:59,750 And so I'm like, then you are given a great. 1531 00:58:59,750 --> 00:59:01,310 A place of honor of, like. 1532 00:59:01,310 --> 00:59:04,270 Because this person has been forgiven so much, they love much. 1533 00:59:04,510 --> 00:59:07,470 And so I think that, like, the Lord is calling us. 1534 00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:08,950 That is the message of the Gospel. 1535 00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:11,950 Like, he's calling us to a place of honor as his children. 1536 00:59:12,350 --> 00:59:15,990 And you sinning much doesn't disqualify you. 1537 00:59:15,990 --> 00:59:19,150 In fact, it even greater qualifies you to be forgiven and 1538 00:59:19,150 --> 00:59:21,150 to walk in that grace and in that calling. 1539 00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,080 And so I'm just super encouraged. 1540 00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:27,120 I'm just so encouraged by that that I'm fired up for encounter. 1541 00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:29,120 We would love you guys to join us. 1542 00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:32,320 So thank you so much for inviting us to be a part of this. 1543 00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:33,240 Yeah, it was so fun. 1544 00:59:33,240 --> 00:59:34,480 I actually do have one more question. 1545 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:34,880 Yeah. 1546 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,760 So when's the next time we get you on the podcast? 1547 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:40,400 Okay, let's see what crazy story is. 1548 00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,600 You know, I did have this idea of a podcast one day. 1549 00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:44,880 Maybe I'm ready. 1550 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:46,520 You know, you get enough popular demand, we'll do it. 1551 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,170 But I even have a name for it. 1552 00:59:49,130 --> 00:59:50,010 I already know what it is. 1553 00:59:50,490 --> 00:59:51,770 It's called the Kitchen Sink. 1554 00:59:53,130 --> 00:59:54,450 Everything plus the Kitchen Sink. 1555 00:59:54,450 --> 00:59:56,970 You know, every time I preach, you mentioned, like, every time I 1556 00:59:56,970 --> 01:00:01,730 preach a sermon, I literally, I'm skimming off maybe the top tenth 1557 01:00:01,730 --> 01:00:02,170 of the. 1558 01:00:02,170 --> 01:00:04,890 It's the iceberg and the whole place below, and you just get the 1559 01:00:04,890 --> 01:00:05,690 little part above the water. 1560 01:00:05,930 --> 01:00:08,050 And there are times I was, let's go below the water and look 1561 01:00:08,050 --> 01:00:10,170 at the bigger part of it, because there's so much truth. 1562 01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:12,250 And so, I don't know, maybe there'll be another passage, but 1563 01:00:12,250 --> 01:00:13,130 I need more time. 1564 01:00:13,130 --> 01:00:14,570 So there we go. 1565 01:00:15,310 --> 01:00:16,190 Tag Maddie in the. 1566 01:00:17,950 --> 01:00:20,270 All right, well, thank you guys so much for watching this. 1567 01:00:20,430 --> 01:00:22,350 This has been so exciting, so fun. 1568 01:00:22,910 --> 01:00:27,550 We are super excited for Encounter, which is to come on Wednesday, 1569 01:00:27,870 --> 01:00:29,510 and we hope to see you there. 1570 01:00:29,510 --> 01:00:32,030 Please join us, and we love you guys so much. 1571 01:00:32,110 --> 01:00:32,670 Peace out. 1572 01:00:32,670 --> 01:00:33,070 Peace.