1 00:00:07,590 --> 00:00:10,649 Matt Edmundson: Welcome to this week's Crowd Church service. 2 00:00:11,090 --> 00:00:15,010 We are a digital church on a quest to discover how Jesus helps 3 00:00:15,010 --> 00:00:17,550 us live a more meaningful life. 4 00:00:17,980 --> 00:00:22,349 We are a community, a space to explore the Christian faith and a place 5 00:00:22,349 --> 00:00:24,270 where you can contribute and grow. 6 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:30,060 I want to invite you to connect with us here at Crowd Church and there are 7 00:00:30,060 --> 00:00:33,219 a few ways that you can do just that. 8 00:00:33,570 --> 00:00:38,350 Firstly, you can engage with crowd from any device during our live 9 00:00:38,350 --> 00:00:42,430 stream, and if you're up for it, why not invite a few friends over 10 00:00:42,730 --> 00:00:45,140 and experience the service together. 11 00:00:45,460 --> 00:00:50,389 Church is all about connecting with God and connecting with others, and 12 00:00:50,389 --> 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--> 00:01:38,580 what your next steps to take are, why not head over to our website crowd. 26 00:01:38,830 --> 00:01:42,840 church forward slash next for more details. 27 00:01:46,330 --> 00:01:50,070 And now the moment you've been waiting for is here. 28 00:01:50,510 --> 00:01:53,780 Our online church service starts right now. 29 00:01:54,285 --> 00:01:57,985 Good evening and welcome to Crowd Online Church. 30 00:01:58,185 --> 00:02:02,125 Now, if you are watching this on YouTube or Facebook, it's going to feel a 31 00:02:02,125 --> 00:02:04,975 little bit different because normally there is someone sat right next to me. 32 00:02:04,984 --> 00:02:10,954 And there is, but there's a bit of a gap because I can I just flipped 33 00:02:10,974 --> 00:02:12,024 this switch and there's Oh, hello. 34 00:02:12,205 --> 00:02:12,955 There's Will. 35 00:02:13,275 --> 00:02:14,615 Will Sopwith: We are multi platforming. 36 00:02:14,615 --> 00:02:16,935 Matt Edmundson: We are multi platforming tonight, ladies and gentlemen. 37 00:02:17,395 --> 00:02:22,865 For the first time ever, we are live streaming on Instagram as well. 38 00:02:23,005 --> 00:02:24,975 Hence the reason we have two camera setups. 39 00:02:24,975 --> 00:02:26,955 If you're on Instagram, it will make much more sense. 40 00:02:27,765 --> 00:02:32,035 But hopefully we're going to keep it real, but it's a massive experiment, right? 41 00:02:32,035 --> 00:02:34,475 Will Sopwith: It is I have never been multi platforms before. 42 00:02:35,125 --> 00:02:36,385 It's incredibly exciting. 43 00:02:37,530 --> 00:02:38,490 Matt Edmundson: Let, but let's see how it goes. 44 00:02:38,550 --> 00:02:40,620 Yeah, you really need to be careful who you say that 45 00:02:41,300 --> 00:02:42,200 Just putting that out there. 46 00:02:42,740 --> 00:02:44,750 But technically we multi-platform every week. 47 00:02:44,780 --> 00:02:46,400 'cause we go to No that's very true. 48 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:47,910 YouTube and to Facebook. 49 00:02:48,640 --> 00:02:53,050 But now we've had it already. 50 00:02:53,050 --> 00:02:53,980 We've only just started. 51 00:02:54,070 --> 00:02:54,550 Come on. 52 00:02:54,550 --> 00:02:55,360 Added the gram. 53 00:02:55,420 --> 00:02:56,230 So yes. 54 00:02:56,470 --> 00:02:59,830 So if you are watching us on Instagram, a very warm welcome to you. 55 00:02:59,830 --> 00:03:01,060 It's great that you are here. 56 00:03:01,805 --> 00:03:03,185 Do write in the comments. 57 00:03:03,195 --> 00:03:05,025 It'd be great to see if anyone watches it on Instagram. 58 00:03:05,035 --> 00:03:06,065 It is a bit of a trial. 59 00:03:06,475 --> 00:03:09,695 We do, we appreciate that and we're going to see how it goes. 60 00:03:10,105 --> 00:03:14,115 And Dan Orange, if you're watching, you are going to have to do this next week. 61 00:03:17,625 --> 00:03:19,245 Will Sopwith: That's on the other end of the phone though. 62 00:03:19,865 --> 00:03:20,674 Matt Edmundson: Yeah no. 63 00:03:20,674 --> 00:03:21,684 Next week is my birthday. 64 00:03:22,304 --> 00:03:22,504 Will Sopwith: Is 65 00:03:22,504 --> 00:03:22,904 Matt Edmundson: it? 66 00:03:22,924 --> 00:03:23,334 Yeah. 67 00:03:23,334 --> 00:03:24,034 Happy birthday. 68 00:03:24,035 --> 00:03:26,554 Next Sunday is my birthday and our will be thirty three. 69 00:03:28,344 --> 00:03:28,564 Fantastic. 70 00:03:28,565 --> 00:03:30,434 Let's finally reach that 71 00:03:30,434 --> 00:03:30,694 Will Sopwith: milestone. 72 00:03:31,374 --> 00:03:31,664 Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 73 00:03:31,665 --> 00:03:35,554 It's great news, isn't it? 74 00:03:35,564 --> 00:03:40,794 And yeah, but actually, next week, I'm on a course from 7:45 in the morning till 75 00:03:40,804 --> 00:03:44,784 7 o'clock, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. 76 00:03:45,554 --> 00:03:45,934 Wow. 77 00:03:46,654 --> 00:03:51,014 So I am, I'm literally going to be incognito next, and I might actually 78 00:03:51,014 --> 00:03:53,494 try and sneak crowd at the end of the course if it's boring, but yeah. 79 00:03:53,734 --> 00:03:55,534 Will Sopwith: I hope it's interesting three days of that, 80 00:03:55,574 --> 00:03:57,534 like 12 hour days on your birthday. 81 00:03:57,584 --> 00:03:58,694 It's got to be good. 82 00:03:58,695 --> 00:04:01,654 Matt Edmundson: It was supposed to be this Monday, Tuesday, 83 00:04:02,314 --> 00:04:03,784 Wednesday, but they moved it. 84 00:04:04,174 --> 00:04:04,804 To the weekend. 85 00:04:05,084 --> 00:04:08,504 So anyway that aside, warm welcome to Crowd Church. 86 00:04:08,514 --> 00:04:10,194 If you don't know us already, my name is Matt. 87 00:04:10,194 --> 00:04:13,324 Beside me, this rather handsome chap is Will Sopwith. 88 00:04:13,345 --> 00:04:14,984 Hello everyone. 89 00:04:15,294 --> 00:04:19,104 And it's great that you are with us too, with our online church 90 00:04:19,104 --> 00:04:22,304 service now on three platforms, streaming live on three platforms. 91 00:04:22,454 --> 00:04:24,094 Do say hi in the comments. 92 00:04:24,154 --> 00:04:26,064 It'd be great to hear from you. 93 00:04:26,104 --> 00:04:28,564 Matt says happy 500th birthday to Matt. 94 00:04:30,474 --> 00:04:30,884 Charming. 95 00:04:32,234 --> 00:04:33,464 It's unlike Crew to be rude. 96 00:04:33,534 --> 00:04:33,944 Will Sopwith: It is. 97 00:04:33,964 --> 00:04:35,204 It is unlike him, actually. 98 00:04:35,304 --> 00:04:35,784 Did you know that 99 00:04:35,784 --> 00:04:38,274 Matt Edmundson: Crew is the Greek word for rude? 100 00:04:42,714 --> 00:04:44,094 Oh, we're just joking, obviously. 101 00:04:44,094 --> 00:04:45,294 But yeah, a warm welcome to you. 102 00:04:45,294 --> 00:04:47,524 Whatever platform you're on, it'd be great to hear from you. 103 00:04:47,524 --> 00:04:48,944 Do say hi in the comments. 104 00:04:49,274 --> 00:04:50,974 What have we got coming up today, Mr. 105 00:04:50,974 --> 00:04:51,244 Will? 106 00:04:51,524 --> 00:04:55,664 Will Sopwith: We have got the wonderful Dave Connolly giving an overview of 107 00:04:55,684 --> 00:05:00,209 the gifts of the Holy Spirit at the beginning of a new I believe new season 108 00:05:00,229 --> 00:05:01,829 in crowds talking about the Holy Spirit. 109 00:05:02,109 --> 00:05:06,979 So please have your questions and your comments ready and yeah, we'll 110 00:05:06,979 --> 00:05:10,809 be chatting a little bit further after the talk from Dave Kohn. 111 00:05:11,439 --> 00:05:12,209 Matt Edmundson: Yes, we will. 112 00:05:12,269 --> 00:05:16,719 So without further ado, again, this is an experiment with the talk for today. 113 00:05:16,719 --> 00:05:19,819 So again, if you're watching on Instagram, let us know how this works out. 114 00:05:20,219 --> 00:05:22,309 I've actually got it on my phone here as well. 115 00:05:22,329 --> 00:05:23,309 Oh, I've just switched it off. 116 00:05:24,029 --> 00:05:24,969 That's not what I wanted to do. 117 00:05:24,969 --> 00:05:25,369 There we go. 118 00:05:25,370 --> 00:05:28,544 So I've got it on my phone as well. 119 00:05:28,544 --> 00:05:31,079 But yeah, so we're going to play the talk. 120 00:05:31,089 --> 00:05:33,489 Will and I will be back after this for Conversation Street, which 121 00:05:33,489 --> 00:05:35,719 is just where we go through your questions, your thoughts, your 122 00:05:35,739 --> 00:05:37,279 comments, your ideas about the talk. 123 00:05:37,804 --> 00:05:42,814 And so this is the amazing Dave Connolly, a good friend of Crowd Church, one of 124 00:05:42,824 --> 00:05:47,374 my one of my closest mentors, dad's just an all round good old chap, isn't he? 125 00:05:48,084 --> 00:05:48,534 He's a dude. 126 00:05:48,794 --> 00:05:49,744 He's a dude, absolutely. 127 00:05:49,944 --> 00:05:51,474 All right, here's Dave, we'll be back shortly. 128 00:05:54,389 --> 00:05:56,139 Dave Connolly: Welcome, good to be with you. 129 00:05:56,859 --> 00:06:02,129 Today's topic is the gift of the Holy Spirit and our reading is taken 130 00:06:02,129 --> 00:06:08,639 from 1 Corinthians chapter 12 verses 4 to 11 and I'm going to read today 131 00:06:08,639 --> 00:06:10,659 from the English Standard Version. 132 00:06:11,249 --> 00:06:16,579 Now there are a variety of gifts but the same Spirit and there are varieties of 133 00:06:16,579 --> 00:06:23,319 service but the same Lord and there are varieties of activities But it is the 134 00:06:23,319 --> 00:06:29,839 same God who empowers them all, in every one, to each is given the manifestation 135 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:31,689 of the Spirit for the common good. 136 00:06:32,629 --> 00:06:37,409 For to one it is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and 137 00:06:37,409 --> 00:06:42,639 to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, to 138 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:47,969 another faith by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles. 139 00:06:48,989 --> 00:06:50,529 To another, prophecy. 140 00:06:51,379 --> 00:06:55,479 To another, the ability to distinguish between spirits. 141 00:06:56,499 --> 00:06:59,639 To another, various kinds of tongues. 142 00:07:00,419 --> 00:07:03,039 To another, the interpretation of tongues. 143 00:07:03,959 --> 00:07:09,559 All these are empowered by one and the same spirit, who apportions to 144 00:07:09,589 --> 00:07:13,119 each one, individually, as he wills. 145 00:07:14,679 --> 00:07:19,389 There is something so amazing about this scripture, and there is so much 146 00:07:19,389 --> 00:07:21,939 that we can learn about the Holy Spirit. 147 00:07:23,494 --> 00:07:27,524 He descends, he decides, and he gives. 148 00:07:28,294 --> 00:07:32,924 It's the Holy Spirit, he knows all things, and he determines 149 00:07:33,184 --> 00:07:35,394 who will receive which gift. 150 00:07:36,854 --> 00:07:41,504 Each gift is given with the same objective, to edify the church. 151 00:07:42,829 --> 00:07:49,869 Each church will have unique people but not unique needs and the Holy Spirit will 152 00:07:49,949 --> 00:07:56,979 exercise his authority to manifest the gifts in the people of God for that church 153 00:07:57,629 --> 00:08:00,689 and for that season, for those needs. 154 00:08:01,699 --> 00:08:06,899 Each gift is a powerful display of God's authority and power on the 155 00:08:07,049 --> 00:08:13,119 earth today and as believers we have access to all nine gifts and the 156 00:08:13,119 --> 00:08:15,274 ability to stir up these gifts today. 157 00:08:15,454 --> 00:08:17,194 In us, through the Holy Spirit. 158 00:08:18,714 --> 00:08:22,604 Let's take a moment to list and comment on these nine gifts. 159 00:08:23,574 --> 00:08:25,304 Let's begin with the Word of Knowledge. 160 00:08:25,814 --> 00:08:27,894 This is a supernatural knowledge. 161 00:08:28,604 --> 00:08:33,104 It's insight into things we would not or could not naturally know. 162 00:08:34,964 --> 00:08:36,154 The Word of Wisdom. 163 00:08:36,854 --> 00:08:42,944 Supernatural ability to correctly apply knowledge to a situation. 164 00:08:44,284 --> 00:08:50,794 Prophecy, receiving a direct word from the Lord, usually to give to someone else. 165 00:08:51,784 --> 00:08:57,154 Faith, a supernatural measure of faith to be able to trust 166 00:08:57,154 --> 00:08:59,774 God for a specific situation. 167 00:09:00,949 --> 00:09:05,649 Healing, the supernatural ability to pray for someone to receive healing. 168 00:09:06,929 --> 00:09:13,409 Working of miracles, the supernatural ability to perform a divine act by 169 00:09:13,409 --> 00:09:16,019 which God reveals himself to people. 170 00:09:17,249 --> 00:09:20,259 An example of this would be parting the Red Sea. 171 00:09:20,469 --> 00:09:24,819 Discerning of spirits, supernatural insights and 172 00:09:24,819 --> 00:09:27,009 knowledge involving other spirits. 173 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,739 For example, angelic or demonic activity or influences. 174 00:09:31,739 --> 00:09:34,359 For different kind of tongues. 175 00:09:35,019 --> 00:09:40,319 Supernatural ability to speak in a natural foreign language or 176 00:09:40,369 --> 00:09:42,339 to speak in a heavenly language. 177 00:09:44,029 --> 00:09:45,879 Interpretation of tongues. 178 00:09:46,339 --> 00:09:50,779 A supernatural ability to interpret the heavenly language. 179 00:09:51,539 --> 00:09:57,799 When praying and seeking God for the gifts of the Spirit, we must ask ourselves, 180 00:09:57,849 --> 00:10:00,609 why am I pursuing these gifts in my life? 181 00:10:01,589 --> 00:10:04,909 We don't want to find ourselves being like Simon the Sorcerer. 182 00:10:05,604 --> 00:10:10,094 Who we can read about in Acts chapter 8, verses 4 to 24. 183 00:10:11,364 --> 00:10:16,374 Who after witnessing the power of the Holy Spirit in the life of Peter 184 00:10:16,374 --> 00:10:22,034 and John, offered them money to have the same authority in the Spirit. 185 00:10:23,074 --> 00:10:29,004 He was seeking the gifts out of a place of jealousy for personal gain and benefit. 186 00:10:30,554 --> 00:10:34,564 Do we desire to manifest the gifts to make our name known? 187 00:10:36,374 --> 00:10:39,804 Or do we really deeply love the Church? 188 00:10:40,394 --> 00:10:43,984 We love it so much that we want to be part of the life and the 189 00:10:43,994 --> 00:10:46,134 growth of the Church of Jesus. 190 00:10:47,474 --> 00:10:54,004 Paul concludes in 1 Corinthians chapter 12 with this, With the importance of 191 00:10:54,004 --> 00:11:01,414 working in unity to glorify God, the Church members are not competing or 192 00:11:01,414 --> 00:11:08,404 attempting to outdo each other but instead are moving in oneness to reach 193 00:11:08,404 --> 00:11:14,094 out to the lost with the message of salvation and to see God glorified. 194 00:11:16,234 --> 00:11:23,264 Paul further clarifies that we should search our hearts and our motives when 195 00:11:23,274 --> 00:11:25,624 we exercise the gifts of the Holy Spirit. 196 00:11:27,164 --> 00:11:32,119 Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians chapter 13 verse 1 and 3. 197 00:11:32,329 --> 00:11:38,869 He says this, if I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but I've not love, 198 00:11:39,589 --> 00:11:43,109 I am a noisy gong or a clanging symbol. 199 00:11:44,199 --> 00:11:48,969 And if I have prophetic powers and understand all the mysteries 200 00:11:48,974 --> 00:11:55,129 and all knowledge and if I have all of the faith so as to remove 201 00:11:55,134 --> 00:11:57,759 mountains, but I have not love. 202 00:11:58,479 --> 00:12:05,309 I am nothing if I give away all I have and if I deliver up my body 203 00:12:05,309 --> 00:12:07,699 to be burned, but I have not love. 204 00:12:08,824 --> 00:12:09,894 I gain nothing. 205 00:12:12,259 --> 00:12:15,929 I found it interesting that there are 9 fruits of the Holy Spirit 206 00:12:16,199 --> 00:12:18,079 and 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit. 207 00:12:19,139 --> 00:12:23,049 The number 9 in the Bible symbolises divine completeness. 208 00:12:24,309 --> 00:12:29,829 Where there are 9 fruits show God's importation of his divine nature into us. 209 00:12:30,789 --> 00:12:36,389 The 9 gifts are a manifestation of his power working through our lives. 210 00:12:38,369 --> 00:12:41,939 Allowing the Holy Spirit to import and manifest. 211 00:12:42,474 --> 00:12:46,304 In our life, it's one of the greatest gifts from God. 212 00:12:47,084 --> 00:12:53,054 Jesus said in John 16 verse 7, For I tell you the truth, it is 213 00:12:53,054 --> 00:12:55,084 to your advantage that I go away. 214 00:12:55,914 --> 00:13:03,419 For if I do not go away, the Helper, Comforter, Advocate, Intercessor, 215 00:13:03,879 --> 00:13:09,079 Counselor, Strengthener will not come to you, but if I go, I will 216 00:13:09,079 --> 00:13:13,929 send Him, the Holy Spirit, to you, to be in close fellowship with you. 217 00:13:14,909 --> 00:13:18,859 As we draw to a close today, can I leave these thoughts with you? 218 00:13:19,659 --> 00:13:22,939 The Holy Spirit is our lifelong companion. 219 00:13:23,749 --> 00:13:27,829 We should strive to develop our ongoing relationship with Him. 220 00:13:28,489 --> 00:13:31,989 We should want to see the evidence of His fruit. 221 00:13:32,409 --> 00:13:37,229 in our lives as we grow and seek to make our heart a home. 222 00:13:40,164 --> 00:13:46,464 It is such a blessing and privilege to partner with the Holy Spirit, also 223 00:13:46,464 --> 00:13:51,724 to receive gifts that will encourage and strengthen and empower other 224 00:13:51,724 --> 00:13:55,134 believers and to lead others to Jesus. 225 00:13:55,914 --> 00:14:00,864 Our salvation is a gift from God and a life partnered with the Holy 226 00:14:00,864 --> 00:14:06,744 Spirit, activated in love, is our greatest contribution to this world. 227 00:14:07,994 --> 00:14:14,144 As we draw to a close today, my prayer is that we would learn to walk in all 228 00:14:14,174 --> 00:14:20,354 the authority and power the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit has granted 229 00:14:20,394 --> 00:14:23,624 to each of those he calls his own. 230 00:14:25,424 --> 00:14:26,044 God bless you. 231 00:14:29,184 --> 00:14:30,984 Matt Edmundson: So welcome back. 232 00:14:31,024 --> 00:14:35,694 Great talk by Dave there, who's actually watching on Facebook. 233 00:14:35,734 --> 00:14:37,114 He's joined us on Facebook. 234 00:14:37,115 --> 00:14:37,784 So thanks for doing that. 235 00:14:37,804 --> 00:14:38,864 You're absolute legend. 236 00:14:39,774 --> 00:14:43,174 If you joined us during the talk, my name is Matt and beside me, this 237 00:14:43,174 --> 00:14:46,234 handsome chap here is Will Sopwith. 238 00:14:46,364 --> 00:14:49,094 And we're doing things slightly differently tonight. 239 00:14:49,104 --> 00:14:53,129 If you're a regular to crowd, you'll notice that we have a two shots, 240 00:14:53,159 --> 00:14:55,659 this one and this one and this one. 241 00:14:55,909 --> 00:14:56,609 Oh, yes. 242 00:14:56,809 --> 00:14:59,849 So normally we're side by side and it's a single shot, but tonight 243 00:14:59,849 --> 00:15:05,456 we are livestreaming to Instagram, as well as Facebook and YouTube. 244 00:15:05,456 --> 00:15:09,139 And the thing about Instagram is it needs vertical video, right? 245 00:15:09,489 --> 00:15:12,749 Whereas YouTube and Facebook are horizontal. 246 00:15:12,949 --> 00:15:14,479 So we have to do it this way. 247 00:15:14,479 --> 00:15:16,549 So if you watch on Instagram, there's just me in the middle. 248 00:15:16,964 --> 00:15:20,584 Otherwise, if we tried to do the shot where we're both together, then 249 00:15:20,584 --> 00:15:21,714 it's like we have to get very close. 250 00:15:21,784 --> 00:15:23,074 Will Sopwith: We're a little too huddled. 251 00:15:24,694 --> 00:15:25,534 Matt Edmundson: A little too huddled. 252 00:15:25,994 --> 00:15:29,544 So I'm going to try and remember to flick back and forth like this on the scenes. 253 00:15:30,594 --> 00:15:31,764 But yeah, warm welcome to you. 254 00:15:31,764 --> 00:15:35,154 If you join us on the Instagram on the old graham, or if you're on YouTube or 255 00:15:35,154 --> 00:15:36,644 Facebook, it's great to have you here. 256 00:15:36,654 --> 00:15:40,144 So let's get into Dave's talk. 257 00:15:41,154 --> 00:15:41,984 What stood out to you, Mr. 258 00:15:41,984 --> 00:15:42,234 Will? 259 00:15:43,474 --> 00:15:44,454 Will Sopwith: Yeah, spiritual gifts. 260 00:15:44,514 --> 00:15:48,074 It's a massive area that can feel a bit weird. 261 00:15:48,084 --> 00:15:52,104 I think sometimes for some people it because it's what it's supposed 262 00:15:52,104 --> 00:15:55,144 to because it's supernatural, like I suppose anything that's not natural, 263 00:15:55,554 --> 00:16:00,664 supernatural feels a bit, it's not your everyday experience for most people. 264 00:16:00,674 --> 00:16:02,554 But no, I thought that was a great unpacking. 265 00:16:02,584 --> 00:16:05,314 I love Dave's point about the motivation. 266 00:16:05,794 --> 00:16:07,714 And the fact that they're all from the same Lord. 267 00:16:07,874 --> 00:16:08,134 Yeah. 268 00:16:08,164 --> 00:16:11,214 And although there's such a diversity of spiritual gifts, 269 00:16:11,574 --> 00:16:12,674 they all come from the same God. 270 00:16:12,724 --> 00:16:16,944 And they're all a reflection of that same character of the God that we know. 271 00:16:17,164 --> 00:16:20,145 And I think that's a really important point to remember when 272 00:16:20,145 --> 00:16:21,505 you start getting into the detail. 273 00:16:22,175 --> 00:16:22,815 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, it is. 274 00:16:22,825 --> 00:16:26,855 And I love how in 1 Corinthians 12, in that portion of 275 00:16:26,855 --> 00:16:29,445 Scripture, Paul lists the gifts. 276 00:16:29,895 --> 00:16:31,385 And then he talks about the body. 277 00:16:31,535 --> 00:16:35,805 And there's that famous phrase, I say it's famous, it was famous 278 00:16:35,805 --> 00:16:38,765 to me, the hand cannot say to the foot, I have no need of you. 279 00:16:40,125 --> 00:16:44,970 And so there's that expression of actually, Paul says that the 280 00:16:44,970 --> 00:16:48,130 manifestations of the spirit are given different ways to different people 281 00:16:48,130 --> 00:16:52,250 at different times, and they're all as he wills, the same Lord, it's all 282 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,800 God's doing, but we are all one body. 283 00:16:56,250 --> 00:16:59,590 And it doesn't matter what part we play in that body, we're all needed. 284 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:06,400 And so I remember, you'd read stories about people like Smith Wigglesworth, 285 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,090 who obviously operated in things that we would call like the gifts 286 00:17:09,090 --> 00:17:10,440 of healings, the gifts of faith. 287 00:17:10,985 --> 00:17:12,215 The working of miracles. 288 00:17:12,705 --> 00:17:15,055 I think it's easier to judge yourself against that. 289 00:17:15,355 --> 00:17:15,715 Do you know what I mean? 290 00:17:15,715 --> 00:17:16,135 And think, yeah. 291 00:17:16,765 --> 00:17:20,455 I'm not as much of a Cris bow maybe a Smith with worth, but I love that 292 00:17:20,455 --> 00:17:23,605 it's the same God, but I he cannot say this for, I have no need of you. 293 00:17:23,655 --> 00:17:24,825 Will Sopwith: Yeah, no, absolutely. 294 00:17:24,825 --> 00:17:26,175 And it's like picking any team, isn't it? 295 00:17:26,205 --> 00:17:28,485 It's like God is building a team. 296 00:17:28,515 --> 00:17:31,755 It's a great way to think about a church or any kind of community of faith, even 297 00:17:31,755 --> 00:17:33,470 if it's an online community like crowd. 298 00:17:33,970 --> 00:17:37,870 That if you're building a team, you want to build that, those different 299 00:17:37,870 --> 00:17:42,190 skills and those different gifts and you don't want the same one, you don't want 300 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,410 everyone to be operating in prophecy the whole time, you might get nothing done 301 00:17:47,410 --> 00:17:51,790 or there's a kind of, if everyone's got that same gift, there's a kind of, there 302 00:17:51,790 --> 00:17:54,564 could be a competitive edge that maybe comes in if you're not building a team. 303 00:17:55,045 --> 00:17:57,455 Really operating in God's grace. 304 00:17:57,805 --> 00:18:01,325 But I love that idea that God looks at any community around the world any church 305 00:18:01,335 --> 00:18:05,105 community and says, these, this is the balance of gifts that are needed for this 306 00:18:05,135 --> 00:18:07,325 community to express the kingdom of God. 307 00:18:07,740 --> 00:18:11,200 And to express my character to the population that they are and that may look 308 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,280 different in different settings, which yeah, I think it's really interesting. 309 00:18:14,790 --> 00:18:19,460 Matt Edmundson: So thinking then about the gifts of the spirit we're if we're let 310 00:18:19,460 --> 00:18:23,590 me just put everything in context because we're talking about becoming whole. 311 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:24,880 That's the series that we're in right. 312 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:26,260 We're talking about wholeness. 313 00:18:26,740 --> 00:18:30,260 The first part of that we're talking about is about being spiritually 314 00:18:30,590 --> 00:18:35,250 healthy right and so someone who is spiritually healthy is going to be. 315 00:18:35,650 --> 00:18:37,350 A man of or a woman of prayer. 316 00:18:37,350 --> 00:18:40,150 They're going to know, have revelation of scripture as we'd call it. 317 00:18:40,170 --> 00:18:41,590 They're going to hear God. 318 00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:45,140 They're going to know a few things we're going to get next week. 319 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,600 We're going to start this sort of little sidestep into the fruits of the spirit 320 00:18:48,610 --> 00:18:51,490 because if you're spiritually healthy, the fruits of the spirit, love, joy, 321 00:18:51,490 --> 00:18:54,690 peace, patience, all those sorts of things are going to be evident in your life. 322 00:18:55,130 --> 00:18:56,420 You're doing one of the talks, right? 323 00:18:57,150 --> 00:18:57,600 Indeed. 324 00:18:57,630 --> 00:18:57,800 Yeah. 325 00:18:58,280 --> 00:18:58,840 Did you know this? 326 00:18:58,920 --> 00:18:59,410 Yeah, I did. 327 00:19:00,900 --> 00:19:02,150 Will Sopwith: It's all under control, Matt. 328 00:19:02,340 --> 00:19:03,460 It's all under control. 329 00:19:04,020 --> 00:19:06,800 Matt Edmundson: I've just actually finished draft one of my talk on kindness. 330 00:19:07,410 --> 00:19:08,540 But we've got that coming up. 331 00:19:08,900 --> 00:19:12,290 Now, sandwiched in between then the fruits of the spirit and the other 332 00:19:12,290 --> 00:19:15,240 things that we have talked about where spiritual health is concerned, is this 333 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:19,740 whole idea of the gifts of the spirit, the manifestation of the spirit, that 334 00:19:19,740 --> 00:19:26,240 someone who is spiritually, healthy is going to be experiencing in some degree, 335 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,160 the gifts of the spirit in their life. 336 00:19:28,220 --> 00:19:30,950 Would you concur with my conclusion? 337 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:32,790 And you have to. 338 00:19:35,570 --> 00:19:36,250 Will Sopwith: I concur. 339 00:19:38,610 --> 00:19:40,100 It's an interesting challenge, though, isn't it? 340 00:19:40,100 --> 00:19:42,590 Because as I said, this is supernatural stuff. 341 00:19:42,590 --> 00:19:47,710 And we might think, as Christians, that this belongs to the 342 00:19:47,710 --> 00:19:48,780 kind of heroes of the Bible. 343 00:19:48,790 --> 00:19:49,280 Yeah. 344 00:19:50,540 --> 00:19:53,660 The apostles, healing people, working miracles. 345 00:19:53,660 --> 00:19:56,980 Jesus, working miracles we don't necessarily think of 346 00:19:56,980 --> 00:19:58,679 it as part and parcel of God. 347 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,880 Just being a healthy Christian, I think it's a really good challenge for us 348 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,920 that actually, yes, the same God, this is the God, this is the same spirit. 349 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,670 It's the Holy Spirit that we profess to, to have at work in our lives. 350 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,740 So therefore the gifts of the Spirit are going to feature. 351 00:20:11,810 --> 00:20:12,090 Yeah. 352 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,460 But yeah, it's not something, certainly in the stream of church that I grew 353 00:20:16,460 --> 00:20:19,560 up in, it's not, it wasn't really talked about in the same kind of way. 354 00:20:19,650 --> 00:20:19,940 Yeah. 355 00:20:19,970 --> 00:20:23,215 So I don't think I grew up thinking Yeah, this is just a natural part of 356 00:20:23,225 --> 00:20:24,925 being a Christian, but it absolutely is. 357 00:20:25,015 --> 00:20:25,365 Yeah. 358 00:20:25,395 --> 00:20:30,025 Seeing the manifestation of God in that kind of unusual way, 359 00:20:30,045 --> 00:20:34,565 supernatural way actually should be part of of being a Christian 360 00:20:34,995 --> 00:20:36,055 and that's an exciting adventure. 361 00:20:36,585 --> 00:20:37,485 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, it really is. 362 00:20:37,735 --> 00:20:41,355 And the gifts of the spirit in effect that, that it's the working 363 00:20:41,355 --> 00:20:43,135 of God or the outworking, isn't it? 364 00:20:43,145 --> 00:20:47,645 The manifestation, the outworking of God through his people. 365 00:20:47,645 --> 00:20:47,705 Yeah. 366 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,750 Yeah, on earth through various different ways, the nine gifts that were listed. 367 00:20:52,250 --> 00:20:56,390 So Matt wrote in the comments, what spiritual gifts has God given 368 00:20:56,390 --> 00:21:00,460 you, Matt and Will, how would you, I'm going to see if I can put 369 00:21:00,460 --> 00:21:02,000 this, how would you answer that? 370 00:21:03,710 --> 00:21:06,710 Will Sopwith: So I asked Matt before we came on. 371 00:21:08,460 --> 00:21:11,840 It wasn't what spiritual gift you had so much as what spiritual gift you'd want. 372 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:13,150 And he said healing. 373 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:13,800 Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 374 00:21:15,185 --> 00:21:17,765 Will Sopwith: I think, yeah, God's definitely given me a gift of 375 00:21:18,355 --> 00:21:21,175 prophecy and of healing, I'd say. 376 00:21:21,345 --> 00:21:21,595 Yeah. 377 00:21:21,645 --> 00:21:24,745 And that's been something that I've sought God for. 378 00:21:24,955 --> 00:21:29,912 It's not something, yeah, I guess it's not something I feel I've 379 00:21:29,912 --> 00:21:33,415 naturally had so much as something I've particularly asked God for. 380 00:21:33,435 --> 00:21:35,145 All grown in God. 381 00:21:35,285 --> 00:21:37,835 And yeah, but I'd say those two. 382 00:21:37,885 --> 00:21:38,825 So what about you? 383 00:21:40,075 --> 00:21:41,075 Matt Edmundson: Very good question. 384 00:21:41,315 --> 00:21:44,665 I would say in some respects, I've touched all of them. 385 00:21:45,225 --> 00:21:49,005 And there are definite stories or experiences of God that I would 386 00:21:49,005 --> 00:21:50,425 put down through to some of them. 387 00:21:50,425 --> 00:21:53,925 I think sometimes I remember when we were at, when I was at Bible 388 00:21:53,925 --> 00:21:56,715 school and we were, we spent weeks studying the gifts of the spirit. 389 00:21:56,715 --> 00:21:58,905 Like, how do you define the difference between this and this? 390 00:21:58,905 --> 00:22:02,025 And I think sometimes it's less about the definition and more 391 00:22:02,025 --> 00:22:03,075 just about getting on with it. 392 00:22:03,125 --> 00:22:03,665 Will Sopwith: Absolutely. 393 00:22:03,785 --> 00:22:04,775 I'm totally with you there. 394 00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:06,365 That would've driven me, absolutely. 395 00:22:06,370 --> 00:22:06,515 Me, 396 00:22:07,145 --> 00:22:07,835 Matt Edmundson: spending weeks of that. 397 00:22:09,275 --> 00:22:13,175 But I think, here's the interesting thing, isn't there? 398 00:22:13,225 --> 00:22:16,405 The every, in some respects. 399 00:22:18,510 --> 00:22:21,500 When you say, what's your favorite gift or what gift would you admire 400 00:22:21,510 --> 00:22:25,230 the most and I go obviously the power gifts, Jeremy Clarkson, more power. 401 00:22:25,780 --> 00:22:28,700 Just because that's how my brain works, but that's not how every brain works. 402 00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:29,570 Praise the Lord. 403 00:22:30,010 --> 00:22:32,380 But I definitely, I'm a big fan of those kinds of things. 404 00:22:32,380 --> 00:22:35,105 So here's another question for you. 405 00:22:35,705 --> 00:22:38,300 Maybe Dave can answer this actually, because Dave's in the comments as well. 406 00:22:38,300 --> 00:22:41,050 And I see Dave, you've put a comment there, we'll come to that. 407 00:22:41,630 --> 00:22:45,610 But is things like praying for healing, when you pray for someone 408 00:22:45,610 --> 00:22:49,700 at church to be healed, or it doesn't have to be a church, obviously. 409 00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:53,790 But when you pray for somebody to be healed and they get healed, is that 410 00:22:53,950 --> 00:23:01,094 the gift of healings or is that just a general being obedient to the word of God? 411 00:23:05,995 --> 00:23:07,455 Will Sopwith: You've been watching Matt and Will. 412 00:23:12,975 --> 00:23:17,585 Yeah, no, I think that there is, when you dig into it, as you did in Bible 413 00:23:17,585 --> 00:23:21,949 College, there are there are kind of offices, and there are just offices. 414 00:23:22,380 --> 00:23:24,600 natural being part of a Christian. 415 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,780 I think what we're talking about probably today is more that 416 00:23:27,820 --> 00:23:33,140 just flow of God's power in our kind of everyday Christian life. 417 00:23:33,190 --> 00:23:37,330 And so those gifts of the spirit, I believe, are absolutely available to 418 00:23:37,820 --> 00:23:40,270 anybody, anyone that's a Christian. 419 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:45,320 I think sometimes it may be a particular time in your life, maybe 420 00:23:45,380 --> 00:23:50,789 a particular person that's appointed to be a prophet or a teacher. 421 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,720 Discerner of Spirits or something and that becomes then an office 422 00:23:55,770 --> 00:23:59,320 in a sense of someone's sort of identity in God a little bit more. 423 00:23:59,350 --> 00:24:05,370 But no, I agree that it's a part of following, yeah, obeying God's 424 00:24:05,370 --> 00:24:07,230 Word and therefore being gifted. 425 00:24:07,410 --> 00:24:07,660 Yeah. 426 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:14,040 As His Word says, and I think people in talking about it in depth, you can get a 427 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:17,710 little bit hung up on whether you've got this gift or whether you've got that gift. 428 00:24:17,910 --> 00:24:22,490 And I think you do begin to lose something there that just being 429 00:24:22,490 --> 00:24:25,490 open really to however God wants to use us in any situation. 430 00:24:25,790 --> 00:24:29,205 And many times he'll use us in a way that We don't recognize as 431 00:24:29,355 --> 00:24:31,985 maybe being part of who we are. 432 00:24:32,245 --> 00:24:34,335 It may not be something that happens a lot. 433 00:24:34,395 --> 00:24:37,005 There may be times when you pray for someone and they get healed 434 00:24:37,085 --> 00:24:38,305 and other times they don't. 435 00:24:38,325 --> 00:24:39,245 It may be a one off. 436 00:24:39,475 --> 00:24:43,625 I don't think it matters too much, but it's the faith that God can bring 437 00:24:43,625 --> 00:24:48,580 something that's not of ourselves, that actually Breaks in empowering 438 00:24:48,610 --> 00:24:52,560 in some way, not of our own ability. 439 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,580 And that's an important faith journey for each of us to see 440 00:24:55,580 --> 00:24:56,750 how God uses us in that way. 441 00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:57,310 Matt Edmundson: Yeah. 442 00:24:57,780 --> 00:24:58,670 No, it's very good. 443 00:24:58,950 --> 00:24:59,380 It's very good. 444 00:24:59,550 --> 00:25:01,100 It was a slightly trick question. 445 00:25:01,380 --> 00:25:05,245 But because I think like you say, we can get sometimes just caught up 446 00:25:05,245 --> 00:25:06,975 in the definitions of these things. 447 00:25:07,575 --> 00:25:10,785 And maybe it is, maybe, interestingly, Dave wrote his answer here. 448 00:25:11,135 --> 00:25:17,795 Dave said it's both, so he's put here, we can all stand on God's word 449 00:25:18,045 --> 00:25:21,115 as and when, but there are people who carry a greater measure of the gift 450 00:25:21,115 --> 00:25:24,225 and are regularly involved in praying for the sick and seeing them healed. 451 00:25:24,775 --> 00:25:25,855 That's a really interesting point. 452 00:25:26,025 --> 00:25:29,315 And you talked about that, didn't you, in terms of there are officers. 453 00:25:29,625 --> 00:25:32,265 So I think it is the responsibility. 454 00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:35,020 of Christians to pray for the sick based on what we 455 00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:36,240 Will Sopwith: see in scripture. 456 00:25:36,660 --> 00:25:37,250 Absolutely. 457 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:39,610 And I think we can sometimes hide behind it say, Oh I've not 458 00:25:39,610 --> 00:25:40,860 been given that particular gift. 459 00:25:40,860 --> 00:25:42,420 So I'm not going to do such and such. 460 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:45,320 And that's missing the point of growing in God. 461 00:25:45,420 --> 00:25:46,900 Yeah, just that relationship of God. 462 00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:50,140 And Paul says in the New Testament, he says, Desire The Gifts, and then 463 00:25:50,380 --> 00:25:52,520 he talks to Timothy about fanning to flame the gifts given you. 464 00:25:53,490 --> 00:25:56,970 It's both, there's those that are particularly given and it might be 465 00:25:56,970 --> 00:26:00,910 someone particularly praying for you and saying, yeah, I believe God's giving 466 00:26:00,910 --> 00:26:04,240 you this particular gift and I've prayed that for individuals and people have 467 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:09,020 prayed that for me, and sometimes it's just getting on with it and allowing 468 00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:12,070 God to use us in lots of different situations and lots of different ways. 469 00:26:13,095 --> 00:26:16,465 I like you said you touched on all of the gifts at some point 470 00:26:16,475 --> 00:26:19,525 in your life and I think that's that is a healthy Christian life. 471 00:26:19,595 --> 00:26:20,555 Yeah, absolutely. 472 00:26:20,945 --> 00:26:24,375 Matt Edmundson: And I remember Dave, and help me if I'm remembering this story 473 00:26:24,535 --> 00:26:30,915 incorrectly, but I remember when Dave came back from I'm going to say Argentina but 474 00:26:30,915 --> 00:26:35,705 I think it was in South America somewhere and he had seen someone who I would say 475 00:26:35,705 --> 00:26:37,434 was operating in the gifts of the church. 476 00:26:38,295 --> 00:26:43,625 miracle, the working miracles and healings as I was listening to them with stories 477 00:26:43,685 --> 00:26:46,055 of arms growing out, legs growing out. 478 00:26:46,055 --> 00:26:50,355 And just, crazy miracles, people being raised from the 479 00:26:50,355 --> 00:26:51,525 dead, and so on and so forth. 480 00:26:52,285 --> 00:26:57,485 And what fascinated me, I remember the talk, because, and again, Dave correct 481 00:26:57,495 --> 00:27:01,185 me if I'm wrong here, but the way I remember it is, the chat that was talking 482 00:27:01,185 --> 00:27:02,595 about raising people from the dead. 483 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,290 He was like, everybody wants to be able to do that because 484 00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:07,300 that sounds really cool, right? 485 00:27:08,060 --> 00:27:11,280 But his comment was, I have paid a high cost. 486 00:27:12,030 --> 00:27:12,660 Do you see what I mean? 487 00:27:12,660 --> 00:27:14,270 And there was a high cost in his life. 488 00:27:14,270 --> 00:27:19,240 And I think when you look at the apostles, the working in miracles, 489 00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,760 gifts of healings, all those sites they ultimately paid a high cost for the 490 00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,450 manifestation of the spirit in which wherever God leads me, that's fine. 491 00:27:25,450 --> 00:27:31,520 But I think there is a grace upon us to work and function in those 492 00:27:31,550 --> 00:27:33,100 gifts, if that's our office. 493 00:27:33,310 --> 00:27:33,990 Does that make sense? 494 00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,970 And I think for the guy that was raising the dead, on a fairly regular basis, there 495 00:27:38,970 --> 00:27:42,730 was a grace upon him to be able to deal with the cost of walking in that calling. 496 00:27:43,060 --> 00:27:43,560 Does that make sense? 497 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:43,990 Will Sopwith: Yeah. 498 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:45,720 Oh, we're going deep this evening. 499 00:27:45,730 --> 00:27:46,180 We're going very 500 00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:46,410 Matt Edmundson: deep. 501 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:47,700 Very deep. 502 00:27:47,770 --> 00:27:48,810 I've got a thumbs up from Dave. 503 00:27:48,830 --> 00:27:51,650 Will Sopwith: And I think that's part of the that point that I was making 504 00:27:51,650 --> 00:27:55,250 before about God kind of selecting his team and choosing the gifts. 505 00:27:55,250 --> 00:28:00,060 And Dave mentioned this about appointing different gifts for different individuals. 506 00:28:00,130 --> 00:28:05,220 And I imagine in that setting, there was a real that's a massively powerful 507 00:28:05,220 --> 00:28:08,200 thing, people being raised from the dead, that's massively going to get attention 508 00:28:08,220 --> 00:28:12,570 of all sorts of communities who hear that. 509 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:17,010 And I believe that for that community in that setting, that was a really 510 00:28:17,010 --> 00:28:21,250 important part of their living in kingdom and seeing others come to know Jesus. 511 00:28:21,540 --> 00:28:26,130 Now in other settings, that might not be the thing that does it, and it 512 00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:31,540 might be a discernment, and I can't remember all the nine, this is terrible. 513 00:28:31,970 --> 00:28:33,040 It might be healing. 514 00:28:33,060 --> 00:28:34,230 It might be prophecy. 515 00:28:34,500 --> 00:28:35,930 It might be faith. 516 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:38,050 Other less kind of obvious things. 517 00:28:38,340 --> 00:28:42,320 But where someone has an office for it, then it's a particular 518 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:45,840 need that God appoints someone to say, no, this is your function. 519 00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:47,750 This is your identity in this church community. 520 00:28:48,090 --> 00:28:52,510 But actually in the more kind of run of the mill, it could be the whole range. 521 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,660 But I think that point of listening to God and hearing it and desiring 522 00:28:56,790 --> 00:29:01,300 more of God in our lives is a really important, opening up then for 523 00:29:01,300 --> 00:29:03,530 those gifts and that's supernatural. 524 00:29:03,740 --> 00:29:05,080 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, absolutely. 525 00:29:05,100 --> 00:29:07,090 And I think it's such a powerful point, isn't it? 526 00:29:07,090 --> 00:29:09,170 Absolutely. 527 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:15,220 We, the claim that we make is that we serve a supernatural God that has involved 528 00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:22,000 himself in a supernatural way in humanity and as Christians, we believe he is going 529 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,960 to continue to do that through his people. 530 00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:31,290 Therefore, as his people, we should expect and not be surprised if God 531 00:29:31,290 --> 00:29:34,110 outworks the supernatural through us. 532 00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:38,760 Now one of the things it says here in the scripture that Dave read, all of these 533 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:45,180 gifts all come from the same spirit who gives to each one individually as he wills 534 00:29:45,190 --> 00:29:50,670 and I think this is an important point when it comes to these kind of things 535 00:29:50,670 --> 00:29:56,980 because when it comes to stepping out in the gifts of the spirit, I think it's as 536 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,070 he wills, not as I will, not as we will. 537 00:29:59,090 --> 00:30:00,000 Will Sopwith: Yeah, no, absolutely. 538 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:04,030 And I think the point made that the story Dave, referred to the motivation 539 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:04,930 of the gift is really important. 540 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:08,960 And it's this guy in Acts that if you've been following the series, you'll remember 541 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,210 the story of where he sees the power from the laying on of hands of the disciples. 542 00:30:13,260 --> 00:30:16,180 And he offers the money and he says, Oh, this would be great. 543 00:30:16,190 --> 00:30:18,870 This would be great for my little brand going on. 544 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,000 I'd like this as well. 545 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,230 I can make a lot of money out of this. 546 00:30:21,835 --> 00:30:25,415 And the subject now you've got this all wrong and I think our motivation, 547 00:30:25,425 --> 00:30:30,775 it probably isn't as obvious as that but where our motivation is maybe 548 00:30:30,775 --> 00:30:36,655 a little bit more self focused than Christ focused, then yeah, that whole. 549 00:30:37,315 --> 00:30:38,175 gifting area. 550 00:30:38,405 --> 00:30:40,345 It gets messy. 551 00:30:40,345 --> 00:30:43,975 I think you do see people that actually are definitely anointed by God. 552 00:30:43,995 --> 00:30:47,945 And I feel very uncomfortable with the way they're using that gifting 553 00:30:47,945 --> 00:30:50,705 because it just feels all about them and all about their platform. 554 00:30:51,185 --> 00:30:55,305 But who are any of us to judge, but I think the motivation is absolutely key. 555 00:30:55,485 --> 00:30:59,945 That if you're interested in pressing more into God and into that kind of power 556 00:30:59,945 --> 00:31:04,395 side of God, then yeah, make sure you've got a good heart in it and make sure 557 00:31:04,395 --> 00:31:05,545 you're doing it for the right reasons. 558 00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,750 Matt Edmundson: Yeah I've just put on the screen. 559 00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:10,713 Oh, it's just disappeared as I flipped from one side to the other. 560 00:31:11,083 --> 00:31:12,616 There is purpose in the gifts. 561 00:31:12,616 --> 00:31:15,756 God gives gifts for the strengthening, building up of God's people. 562 00:31:15,756 --> 00:31:16,816 Yeah, absolutely. 563 00:31:16,816 --> 00:31:18,046 I think that's a really key point. 564 00:31:18,046 --> 00:31:18,866 It's such an impact. 565 00:31:18,946 --> 00:31:19,936 I'm just gonna put my glasses on. 566 00:31:19,936 --> 00:31:24,276 It says 1 Corinthians twelve verse seven, to each is given the manifestation 567 00:31:24,666 --> 00:31:27,706 of the spirit for the common good. 568 00:31:27,956 --> 00:31:28,726 Yeah, absolutely. 569 00:31:28,766 --> 00:31:30,666 And I think That's the critical thing. 570 00:31:30,666 --> 00:31:34,706 It's what Dave says there, that there is a purpose behind the 571 00:31:34,706 --> 00:31:37,956 gifts of the spirit and it's not to build the Matt Edmundson brand. 572 00:31:38,266 --> 00:31:38,496 No. 573 00:31:38,516 --> 00:31:45,386 It's not even to build the Crowd Church brand, but it is to build 574 00:31:45,396 --> 00:31:47,536 his kingdom and it is for his glory. 575 00:31:47,596 --> 00:31:52,626 It is for the common good and I think I've seen a lot of people 576 00:31:53,696 --> 00:31:55,416 who are gifted at certain things. 577 00:31:55,416 --> 00:32:00,606 Like you say, they It starts to be more about their good rather than 578 00:32:00,606 --> 00:32:02,766 the common good, if that makes sense. 579 00:32:02,816 --> 00:32:05,766 And I get, like you, I get very uncomfortable in those kinds of 580 00:32:05,766 --> 00:32:07,706 situations when I see people doing that. 581 00:32:08,286 --> 00:32:11,576 Because it becomes more about the gifts rather than the giver of the gift. 582 00:32:11,576 --> 00:32:11,986 Yeah, 583 00:32:12,036 --> 00:32:12,706 Will Sopwith: absolutely. 584 00:32:12,766 --> 00:32:16,786 And it's not a good witness for the God, for the church at all, 585 00:32:16,806 --> 00:32:19,836 because it becomes grandstanding. 586 00:32:19,856 --> 00:32:22,746 And you start talking about the humility of God and servant 587 00:32:22,746 --> 00:32:24,206 heartedness and all the rest. 588 00:32:24,206 --> 00:32:26,816 And yeah, it just doesn't tally. 589 00:32:27,056 --> 00:32:30,026 And it says very clearly in the Bible, in the New Testament says, test the 590 00:32:30,026 --> 00:32:32,886 spirits, don't just take any gift and go, Oh, this must be from God. 591 00:32:32,886 --> 00:32:34,596 It's no, test it very carefully. 592 00:32:34,846 --> 00:32:37,936 And I love Dave's point again, if they come from the same Lord, 593 00:32:37,936 --> 00:32:43,353 that we can look at the kind of character behind the gift or, yeah. 594 00:32:43,783 --> 00:32:47,583 I can't think of an example off the top of my head, but if it doesn't match up 595 00:32:47,583 --> 00:32:50,473 with the character of God as we understand it from the rest of scripture, then I 596 00:32:50,473 --> 00:32:53,083 think that's a really good test of I'm not sure where this is coming from. 597 00:32:53,113 --> 00:32:53,433 Yeah. 598 00:32:53,483 --> 00:32:56,513 And I think particularly with something like prophecy where something is 599 00:32:56,563 --> 00:33:00,403 spoken and says, thus saith the Lord and there's a kind of an authority on 600 00:33:00,403 --> 00:33:03,853 something someone says because they say, I'm gifted as a prophet, and I think 601 00:33:03,853 --> 00:33:07,513 we've seen this actually quite recently in the last few years about kind of 602 00:33:07,873 --> 00:33:11,113 pronouncements being made that actually have turned out to be completely false. 603 00:33:11,163 --> 00:33:11,453 Yeah. 604 00:33:12,283 --> 00:33:18,533 And yeah, just adding Oh, God says this and I'm a prophet to something. 605 00:33:18,613 --> 00:33:20,833 It's on us all to test that anyway. 606 00:33:20,833 --> 00:33:21,023 Yeah. 607 00:33:21,043 --> 00:33:22,523 To test it against scripture. 608 00:33:22,763 --> 00:33:22,963 Yeah. 609 00:33:22,963 --> 00:33:24,563 Test about our understanding of God. 610 00:33:24,603 --> 00:33:24,703 Yeah. 611 00:33:25,063 --> 00:33:28,303 And with an open mind and say, God teach me where I'm wrong and 612 00:33:28,303 --> 00:33:29,823 challenge me where this is real. 613 00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:29,853 Yeah. 614 00:33:29,983 --> 00:33:32,563 But it's important as well to test that motivation. 615 00:33:33,043 --> 00:33:34,033 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, absolutely. 616 00:33:34,133 --> 00:33:34,693 Very true. 617 00:33:35,203 --> 00:33:37,823 And I think if you're listening to this and you're new to Christianity, you've 618 00:33:37,823 --> 00:33:41,943 not really, moved in the gifts of the Spirit as you as we're talking about them. 619 00:33:42,893 --> 00:33:46,023 It can almost come across as, what we're talking about is a bit of a scary thing, 620 00:33:46,023 --> 00:33:47,323 something to be afraid of, but it isn't. 621 00:33:47,963 --> 00:33:52,243 Because it's God in you, you can discern what is going on, and you can trust God. 622 00:33:52,793 --> 00:33:57,933 And Sadaf's put here in the comments, through Instagram, and 623 00:33:57,933 --> 00:33:59,893 I'm going to look at that, it works. 624 00:34:00,003 --> 00:34:01,273 I just love it when it works. 625 00:34:01,663 --> 00:34:04,083 I'm so excited that this is working right now. 626 00:34:04,623 --> 00:34:07,183 Sorry if you've already covered this, but my question is, 627 00:34:07,193 --> 00:34:12,793 can you have different spiritual gifts at different phases of life? 628 00:34:13,173 --> 00:34:14,753 Will Sopwith: So I think, yeah, absolutely. 629 00:34:14,873 --> 00:34:16,073 But I'd be interested to know what you think. 630 00:34:17,753 --> 00:34:22,023 And again, it's because thinking about the giver and the reason the gifts are given, 631 00:34:22,103 --> 00:34:26,483 there are particular seasons, particular situations, particular groups of people 632 00:34:26,483 --> 00:34:30,413 where a gifting is, oh, have we gone? 633 00:34:30,923 --> 00:34:32,263 Yeah, 634 00:34:32,263 --> 00:34:32,793 Matt Edmundson: you've gone. 635 00:34:32,793 --> 00:34:33,128 Why 636 00:34:33,128 --> 00:34:34,131 Will Sopwith: have you gone? 637 00:34:34,131 --> 00:34:35,134 I've no idea. 638 00:34:35,134 --> 00:34:36,137 I touched nothing. 639 00:34:36,137 --> 00:34:38,144 I'm just going to do this. 640 00:34:38,144 --> 00:34:38,484 Carry on. 641 00:34:38,524 --> 00:34:39,664 I'm not on that screen either. 642 00:34:39,664 --> 00:34:40,524 So I don't know where it's the camera. 643 00:34:40,744 --> 00:34:41,614 Anyway yeah. 644 00:34:41,824 --> 00:34:47,394 So if you could imagine being in a particular community of faith, particular 645 00:34:47,394 --> 00:34:52,414 fellowship at one point where, yeah, there's a need for a particular gift and I 646 00:34:52,464 --> 00:34:53,884 think God could give you that for a time. 647 00:34:54,094 --> 00:34:57,364 There may be another time when actually it's There we go, sorry, 648 00:34:57,424 --> 00:35:00,494 just fiddling with the tech here, where maybe that's not needed. 649 00:35:00,644 --> 00:35:03,949 And it may be, for me, certainly, I know there's been times in my 650 00:35:03,949 --> 00:35:07,299 life and I've moved in a particular gift much more than others. 651 00:35:07,899 --> 00:35:10,339 It doesn't necessarily have to happen that way. 652 00:35:10,579 --> 00:35:13,809 And I think it probably depends a little bit on the way we're using it 653 00:35:13,859 --> 00:35:15,829 and fanning the flame and practicing it. 654 00:35:16,359 --> 00:35:19,879 But I think, yeah, there were times when I felt gifted by God in something 655 00:35:19,969 --> 00:35:23,419 and other times when I just really haven't, and I've just not felt at 656 00:35:23,419 --> 00:35:25,839 peace to, to operate in that gift. 657 00:35:25,989 --> 00:35:28,649 And sometimes that's because there's other people that are doing that. 658 00:35:28,649 --> 00:35:30,229 And God needs me to be doing something else. 659 00:35:30,539 --> 00:35:31,929 Yeah, so yeah, I absolutely think so. 660 00:35:31,969 --> 00:35:32,729 But what do you think, Matt? 661 00:35:33,629 --> 00:35:33,899 Yeah. 662 00:35:34,309 --> 00:35:34,929 Oh, hang 663 00:35:34,929 --> 00:35:35,109 Matt Edmundson: on. 664 00:35:35,709 --> 00:35:36,229 Sorry. 665 00:35:39,759 --> 00:35:41,959 It's all going a bit Pete wrong with these cameras, isn't it? 666 00:35:42,469 --> 00:35:45,569 Do me a favor, Will, just turn that radiator off while I answer your question. 667 00:35:45,579 --> 00:35:47,009 I think the cameras are overheating. 668 00:35:47,859 --> 00:35:49,649 Just open the door slightly, let some air in. 669 00:35:50,919 --> 00:35:52,459 It is like sauna in this room right now. 670 00:35:54,179 --> 00:35:57,229 So yes, to answer Sadaf's question, can you have different spiritual 671 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:58,419 gifts at different phases of life? 672 00:35:58,419 --> 00:36:00,639 I think you can have different spiritual gifts at different times of the day. 673 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:05,389 I genuinely do and I think you can have different gifts depending 674 00:36:05,389 --> 00:36:06,839 on who's in front of you as well. 675 00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:07,459 Yeah. 676 00:36:07,579 --> 00:36:10,779 And for example, in a church service, you do this a lot, you pray for 677 00:36:10,779 --> 00:36:14,709 people on a Sunday morning, they come forward, we do prayer ministry, you're 678 00:36:14,709 --> 00:36:18,039 going to cycle through different gifts of the spirit, depending 679 00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:19,399 on who you're praying for, right? 680 00:36:19,399 --> 00:36:19,669 Yeah. 681 00:36:20,149 --> 00:36:24,279 That said, I think that there are gifts, there are talents, they 682 00:36:24,279 --> 00:36:25,349 may be the gifts of the spirit. 683 00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:29,699 Paul goes on to talk about things like, administrations and helps 684 00:36:29,699 --> 00:36:30,849 and all those kind of things. 685 00:36:31,789 --> 00:36:38,069 I think there are things which, like you say, are peculiar in effect to our lives. 686 00:36:38,639 --> 00:36:41,349 Because that's, a unique calling that God's put on us. 687 00:36:41,999 --> 00:36:45,809 And so I would say, for example, the discerning of spirits, 688 00:36:45,809 --> 00:36:46,779 do I have that in my life? 689 00:36:47,009 --> 00:36:48,719 I would say yes. 690 00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,139 In certain areas where God has gifted me. 691 00:36:53,229 --> 00:36:53,489 Yeah, 692 00:36:53,489 --> 00:36:53,779 Will Sopwith: right. 693 00:36:53,859 --> 00:36:57,729 Matt Edmundson: So Maybe an understanding, say money or business. 694 00:36:58,149 --> 00:37:03,179 It might be I see and experience God in a different way because I think 695 00:37:03,179 --> 00:37:04,909 there's a call on my life in that area. 696 00:37:05,059 --> 00:37:05,549 Does that make sense? 697 00:37:05,549 --> 00:37:06,258 Yeah. 698 00:37:06,259 --> 00:37:06,469 Yeah. 699 00:37:06,509 --> 00:37:10,789 And yes, I think Sadaf, you can definitely have different spiritual 700 00:37:10,799 --> 00:37:12,119 gifts at different phases of life. 701 00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,439 And I think God will lead you in those. 702 00:37:16,104 --> 00:37:19,304 They may come around because as Paul said, desire spiritual gifts. 703 00:37:19,714 --> 00:37:20,484 We seek them out. 704 00:37:21,154 --> 00:37:23,914 Or it may be that's just a phase that God's borders into. 705 00:37:23,984 --> 00:37:27,154 And I don't think it's one size fits all at one point in your life. 706 00:37:27,404 --> 00:37:28,634 I just think God's 707 00:37:29,054 --> 00:37:29,764 Way bigger than that. 708 00:37:29,854 --> 00:37:30,224 Yeah. 709 00:37:30,634 --> 00:37:34,334 Will Sopwith: And I think actually that's part of It's a way of 710 00:37:34,334 --> 00:37:36,394 reminding us that he is the giver. 711 00:37:36,944 --> 00:37:37,584 It's not us. 712 00:37:37,694 --> 00:37:38,534 It's not about us. 713 00:37:38,734 --> 00:37:42,124 Yeah, I think it keeps us humble, keeps us listening, keeps us walking with him. 714 00:37:42,134 --> 00:37:42,784 It's going well. 715 00:37:43,274 --> 00:37:43,484 Yeah. 716 00:37:43,534 --> 00:37:47,784 What do you want me to be operating in at this time, rather than just Oh, great. 717 00:37:48,284 --> 00:37:50,424 I'm a prophet, that's what I do. 718 00:37:50,554 --> 00:37:50,784 Yeah. 719 00:37:51,004 --> 00:37:51,914 And that's all I do. 720 00:37:52,104 --> 00:37:52,324 Yeah. 721 00:37:52,324 --> 00:37:55,764 I turn up and every single Sunday morning in a church, I will stand 722 00:37:55,764 --> 00:38:00,194 up and grab the microphone and I will speak some deep utterance. 723 00:38:00,204 --> 00:38:03,384 Yeah, it's a joke, but it happens as well. 724 00:38:03,574 --> 00:38:03,774 Yeah. 725 00:38:03,774 --> 00:38:05,754 You can get so caught up with the, this is who I am. 726 00:38:05,754 --> 00:38:06,044 Yeah. 727 00:38:06,054 --> 00:38:09,733 But actually God wants us to keep walking with them and keep humble and say no, this 728 00:38:09,733 --> 00:38:14,573 is a gift I've given you, this is not you, this is me and you gotta keep in step. 729 00:38:15,223 --> 00:38:18,243 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, and I think actually that the other thing that 730 00:38:18,243 --> 00:38:26,483 you can do here is, it's not for me to stand up and say I'm a prophet. 731 00:38:26,943 --> 00:38:32,113 But it's for the Spirit of God to bring that gift through me and bear the fruit 732 00:38:32,113 --> 00:38:33,943 of that which bears testament to that. 733 00:38:34,823 --> 00:38:35,253 Do you see what I mean? 734 00:38:35,493 --> 00:38:39,093 Now I'm saying that with a slight caveat, because I'm aware that Paul, 735 00:38:39,093 --> 00:38:43,563 every time he introduces himself, I am an apostle is very clear on his calling. 736 00:38:43,563 --> 00:38:45,153 I'm an apostle and I'm a slave. 737 00:38:45,793 --> 00:38:46,563 And he was okay. 738 00:38:46,813 --> 00:38:49,434 So I don't think it's bad to identify your calling. 739 00:38:50,054 --> 00:38:54,654 But if you stand up and say a prophet because it gives you some 740 00:38:54,664 --> 00:38:56,224 sense of security or identity. 741 00:38:56,234 --> 00:38:56,424 Yeah, 742 00:38:56,434 --> 00:38:58,274 Will Sopwith: again, it's all about your motivation. 743 00:38:58,274 --> 00:39:00,234 It's like, why are you saying that? 744 00:39:00,274 --> 00:39:02,704 Why do you have to preface whatever you say by that? 745 00:39:03,284 --> 00:39:08,514 Is it because you're trying to Build that sense of your own authority or you want 746 00:39:08,804 --> 00:39:13,294 people to, I don't know, respond to you differently because, oh, you're a prophet. 747 00:39:13,384 --> 00:39:16,894 You just, yeah, look at your motivation as to why you would say that. 748 00:39:16,994 --> 00:39:17,614 I think it's 749 00:39:18,914 --> 00:39:19,524 interesting. 750 00:39:20,034 --> 00:39:20,974 Matt Edmundson: Good question, Sadaf. 751 00:39:21,004 --> 00:39:21,854 Very good question. 752 00:39:22,114 --> 00:39:26,059 So here's a, here's I guess if I'm listening, I'm just trying to 753 00:39:26,059 --> 00:39:28,479 think about different people who are listening to the live stream. 754 00:39:29,859 --> 00:39:33,409 So we've gone a little, fairly deep, which is fine if you're a Christian, 755 00:39:33,619 --> 00:39:34,839 and you've been around a little while. 756 00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:39,759 Let's say you're not a Christian, listening to this, 757 00:39:39,759 --> 00:39:41,139 you're searching things. 758 00:39:41,769 --> 00:39:49,319 Why should someone who's not a Christian care about a very strange sounding topic 759 00:39:49,349 --> 00:39:50,699 called the gifts of the Holy Spirit? 760 00:39:51,269 --> 00:39:53,229 Will Sopwith: It's a really good question, Matt. 761 00:39:53,689 --> 00:39:55,139 Why would they? 762 00:39:55,319 --> 00:39:58,029 And I think Dave made this point and he made it for each 763 00:39:58,039 --> 00:39:58,909 of the gifts he talked about. 764 00:39:58,999 --> 00:40:00,509 They are supernatural. 765 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:03,729 They are something that you do not have ability to do. 766 00:40:04,039 --> 00:40:09,889 Because if the church is just a load of people following some good teaching on 767 00:40:09,889 --> 00:40:12,349 how to live and trying to love each other. 768 00:40:14,479 --> 00:40:18,779 Yeah, but you worship a God who's all powerful. 769 00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:24,369 You're short selling the church and the Holy Spirit there. 770 00:40:25,519 --> 00:40:28,349 And I think we can all understand we're in places people do 771 00:40:28,349 --> 00:40:29,008 it all the time, don't they? 772 00:40:29,009 --> 00:40:33,199 They have no faith at all that they may turn to prayer in a place of absolute 773 00:40:33,219 --> 00:40:37,289 desperation and go, God, if you're there, please do this, because I can't. 774 00:40:37,329 --> 00:40:42,724 We all have those moments daily, weekly, when we're at the end of our ability. 775 00:40:43,344 --> 00:40:44,274 And they are gifts. 776 00:40:44,304 --> 00:40:49,694 They are given to us by God in his grace and mercy for those very 777 00:40:49,934 --> 00:40:52,594 situations where we can do nothing. 778 00:40:53,094 --> 00:40:56,634 And they're given for people's blessing and they're given for God's glory. 779 00:40:56,944 --> 00:40:59,264 So healing is a great example. 780 00:40:59,484 --> 00:41:00,094 It's a gift. 781 00:41:00,094 --> 00:41:00,914 It's a gift to us. 782 00:41:00,914 --> 00:41:01,874 It's a gift to our families. 783 00:41:01,874 --> 00:41:05,594 It's a gift to our communities, our friends, things we cannot do. 784 00:41:06,394 --> 00:41:08,474 But you could apply that to any of the other gifts as well. 785 00:41:08,874 --> 00:41:14,114 So discernment, wisdom, prophecy, and we're not talking prophecy as this 786 00:41:14,114 --> 00:41:20,314 is going to happen next week, so much as unpacking a picture or a scripture 787 00:41:20,334 --> 00:41:23,799 that really resonates, really gets It really speaks to someone's heart in 788 00:41:23,799 --> 00:41:27,959 a very deep way and unlocks something they hadn't seen before that brings 789 00:41:28,339 --> 00:41:32,859 freedom, that brings healing, that so all these things are gifts and, 790 00:41:32,859 --> 00:41:34,659 generally gifts are there to bless. 791 00:41:34,919 --> 00:41:38,423 So they're here to bless the church, but also to bless the world. 792 00:41:38,974 --> 00:41:43,154 All that the church touches and every place that a Christian is, which is why 793 00:41:43,164 --> 00:41:45,074 they should be part of our everyday life. 794 00:41:45,484 --> 00:41:49,294 Yeah, they can sound a bit weird, but in the end, they're gifts to us as 795 00:41:49,294 --> 00:41:51,044 God's people, because he loves us. 796 00:41:51,404 --> 00:41:53,644 And because there's stuff that we just cannot do. 797 00:41:53,824 --> 00:41:55,374 Yeah, no, very good. 798 00:41:55,574 --> 00:41:56,064 Matt Edmundson: Very good. 799 00:41:56,454 --> 00:41:57,754 And I think I love that. 800 00:41:58,114 --> 00:41:58,614 I love that. 801 00:41:58,614 --> 00:42:00,034 It's stuff that we cannot do. 802 00:42:00,154 --> 00:42:00,774 We need good. 803 00:42:00,894 --> 00:42:01,544 Fundamentally. 804 00:42:01,544 --> 00:42:02,314 That's what we say. 805 00:42:02,854 --> 00:42:03,024 Yeah. 806 00:42:03,654 --> 00:42:06,544 Like you say, I love that because if all it is we just go to church 807 00:42:06,544 --> 00:42:09,344 and listen to a self help sermon. 808 00:42:09,344 --> 00:42:09,704 Yeah. 809 00:42:09,754 --> 00:42:10,024 Will Sopwith: Yeah. 810 00:42:10,024 --> 00:42:10,344 That's it. 811 00:42:10,364 --> 00:42:14,414 It can become self help really quickly without God's power involved. 812 00:42:14,614 --> 00:42:16,904 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, and that's just not good at all. 813 00:42:17,094 --> 00:42:17,864 That's not good at all. 814 00:42:18,154 --> 00:42:22,554 So what would your advice be, say, someone who is fairly new in their Christian 815 00:42:22,554 --> 00:42:25,674 faith, or maybe has been a Christian for a while, but has never really 816 00:42:25,724 --> 00:42:27,304 operated in the gifts of the Spirit? 817 00:42:27,404 --> 00:42:28,354 Where would you start? 818 00:42:29,804 --> 00:42:33,514 Will Sopwith: Start with asking God. 819 00:42:34,684 --> 00:42:40,384 Great to read Acts, which is really where those gifts of the Holy Spirit are best. 820 00:42:40,669 --> 00:42:45,149 Probably best described, but then also in the New Testament as Paul unpacks 821 00:42:45,149 --> 00:42:46,709 it in the letters to the new churches. 822 00:42:47,099 --> 00:42:48,779 So read the Bible for sure. 823 00:42:49,139 --> 00:42:52,649 But be praying, be asking God and saying, okay, God, give me an understanding 824 00:42:52,654 --> 00:42:53,884 of what these gifts are about. 825 00:42:53,964 --> 00:42:59,469 And start trying to listen and saying is there anything you want me to be? 826 00:42:59,529 --> 00:43:00,609 Yeah, to be moving in. 827 00:43:00,709 --> 00:43:05,189 I don't think there's any particular one gift to start with, so much as 828 00:43:05,189 --> 00:43:06,559 just it's about our posture, isn't it? 829 00:43:06,569 --> 00:43:08,879 It's about listening to God. 830 00:43:09,409 --> 00:43:10,039 That's a very good 831 00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:10,279 Matt Edmundson: point. 832 00:43:10,279 --> 00:43:11,349 It's about our posture. 833 00:43:11,789 --> 00:43:12,449 I think you're right. 834 00:43:12,449 --> 00:43:14,669 There's not a, there's not like a scorecard. 835 00:43:14,889 --> 00:43:18,449 No, level one is prophecy, level 10 is working of miracles. 836 00:43:18,949 --> 00:43:19,889 It's not like that at all. 837 00:43:19,959 --> 00:43:25,289 And I think my experience here is For you as a Christian, you're going to have 838 00:43:25,299 --> 00:43:29,139 some kind of inkling which resonates with you the way that God has made you to 839 00:43:29,139 --> 00:43:31,419 use the modern word, the kids use vibe. 840 00:43:31,489 --> 00:43:32,269 What's the vibe? 841 00:43:32,869 --> 00:43:34,069 And I'm sure the kids do use that. 842 00:43:34,089 --> 00:43:34,449 Do they not? 843 00:43:34,659 --> 00:43:35,859 Okay, moved on. 844 00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:38,959 But I think it's what resonates with you. 845 00:43:38,959 --> 00:43:39,489 Where is it? 846 00:43:39,499 --> 00:43:40,659 Where is God leading you? 847 00:43:40,659 --> 00:43:43,349 And I think Will said, stop praying, start seeking God about it. 848 00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:47,329 And when the opportunities arrive. 849 00:43:48,829 --> 00:43:52,929 Step out in faith and take them and when you don't step out in faith, 850 00:43:52,959 --> 00:43:56,469 because you're a little bit nervous, you're a little bit anxious, don't 851 00:43:56,559 --> 00:43:59,059 waste that, but learn from that. 852 00:43:59,269 --> 00:44:02,619 Journal about it, think about it, pray about it, what was involved in that 853 00:44:03,159 --> 00:44:06,689 and God will give you opportunities to step out in these gifts and my 854 00:44:06,689 --> 00:44:08,459 experience with the gifts of the Spirit. 855 00:44:08,459 --> 00:44:14,019 My experience with things of God is whilst the gifts are not ranked in any way. 856 00:44:14,019 --> 00:44:16,709 I think as we step out deeper and deeper into those gifts. 857 00:44:16,939 --> 00:44:20,699 God seems to trust us more and more as we walk in them. 858 00:44:20,699 --> 00:44:24,369 So I don't think God's expecting you to go to a funeral home and lay 859 00:44:24,369 --> 00:44:26,969 hands on a coffin and raise the dead straight away if you've never walked in. 860 00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:28,179 I'm not saying that can't happen. 861 00:44:28,179 --> 00:44:33,489 I'm just I think that God leads us and our faith grows in these areas. 862 00:44:33,619 --> 00:44:33,739 Yeah. 863 00:44:33,999 --> 00:44:34,269 Yeah. 864 00:44:34,269 --> 00:44:34,699 Does that make sense? 865 00:44:34,709 --> 00:44:35,049 Yeah. 866 00:44:35,059 --> 00:44:35,819 Will Sopwith: I think that's right. 867 00:44:36,029 --> 00:44:38,709 Another point that Dave just made on the chat is that there's counterfeit and 868 00:44:38,709 --> 00:44:43,249 actually, yeah, I think generally, people are fascinated with the supernatural. 869 00:44:43,349 --> 00:44:47,939 Just have a look at programming schedules or anything to know that there is a 870 00:44:47,969 --> 00:44:49,499 fascination with the supernatural. 871 00:44:49,809 --> 00:44:53,029 I think again because it's outside of our experience and our ability. 872 00:44:53,519 --> 00:44:57,919 But he's absolutely right that there are a counterfeit to the gifts 873 00:44:57,919 --> 00:45:02,789 that if you believe in a spiritual realm, then it's a short step to 874 00:45:02,789 --> 00:45:05,569 know that actually there's stuff that's not from the character of God. 875 00:45:06,519 --> 00:45:10,149 But that might just lead people astray or lead them down a bit of a rabbit hole. 876 00:45:10,369 --> 00:45:10,569 Yeah. 877 00:45:10,569 --> 00:45:14,169 And I'm just remembering it in Liverpool years ago, something that we stepped 878 00:45:14,169 --> 00:45:19,374 out to do as a small group, there was a Y1 boat that was moored in Liverpool 879 00:45:19,374 --> 00:45:22,844 and it's the kind of boat that sails around the world and tries to share 880 00:45:22,874 --> 00:45:24,304 Christ in many different places. 881 00:45:24,704 --> 00:45:25,514 And it was in Liverpool. 882 00:45:26,254 --> 00:45:29,614 And we decided that around Easter time we would go and 883 00:45:29,614 --> 00:45:31,994 we would, what did we call it? 884 00:45:32,054 --> 00:45:33,744 It was like life messages or something. 885 00:45:33,744 --> 00:45:37,734 I can't remember what it was, but it was akin to, using the sort of language 886 00:45:37,744 --> 00:45:42,034 that is used in counterfeit of kind of fortune telling, I guess that kind of 887 00:45:42,034 --> 00:45:46,094 fascination, but it was like, we're very upfront and say, look, we believe that 888 00:45:46,104 --> 00:45:48,344 God has stuff to say into your life. 889 00:45:48,414 --> 00:45:52,684 And I think that's a really, again, as a young Christian, why you'd be interested 890 00:45:52,704 --> 00:45:54,414 because God wants to show his love. 891 00:45:54,424 --> 00:45:55,844 He wants to show his love to you. 892 00:45:56,414 --> 00:46:00,164 In giving you these gifts beyond your ability, but he wants to show 893 00:46:00,164 --> 00:46:02,344 his love through you to others. 894 00:46:02,584 --> 00:46:06,284 So we got together and we prayed and the idea was that passers by 895 00:46:06,284 --> 00:46:10,234 on, and Liverpool docks is a busy area would come and we'd say, do you 896 00:46:10,234 --> 00:46:12,494 want to hear from God in your life? 897 00:46:12,584 --> 00:46:14,042 And we don't know you at all. 898 00:46:14,042 --> 00:46:15,734 We're going to sit and we're going to just pray. 899 00:46:15,734 --> 00:46:16,944 I'm just going to listen to God. 900 00:46:17,399 --> 00:46:19,679 And just say whatever God gives us. 901 00:46:19,679 --> 00:46:22,219 It might be some words, it might be a picture. 902 00:46:22,829 --> 00:46:24,089 Absolutely terrifying. 903 00:46:24,099 --> 00:46:28,729 You do that in church, but because people are sort of part of it, but literally 904 00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:32,619 have these complete strangers, passersby, no real kind of background in faith. 905 00:46:33,704 --> 00:46:35,524 And they just sit there and he's gonna, okay, I'm just gonna sit 906 00:46:35,524 --> 00:46:39,384 for quiet and just listen to God and see, to hear what he says. 907 00:46:39,474 --> 00:46:39,794 Yeah. 908 00:46:39,944 --> 00:46:41,994 And you're like, God, you gotta say something because I'm 909 00:46:41,994 --> 00:46:43,784 gonna feel just such a fool. 910 00:46:43,934 --> 00:46:47,864 There's these like people sat across from me going, yeah, what's all this about? 911 00:46:48,224 --> 00:46:51,024 And it was incredible, some of the things that God spoke 912 00:46:51,274 --> 00:46:53,894 very specific into their lives. 913 00:46:54,304 --> 00:46:56,434 And it just unlock something in them. 914 00:46:56,694 --> 00:46:59,364 Every time we said this, it's not about us. 915 00:46:59,364 --> 00:47:02,814 It's not about us being flash and going, Oh, look, aren't we amazing? 916 00:47:02,814 --> 00:47:04,054 Isn't church exciting? 917 00:47:04,434 --> 00:47:08,604 This is just God wanting to show you that he knows you and he 918 00:47:08,604 --> 00:47:09,854 loves you and he cares about you. 919 00:47:09,854 --> 00:47:13,044 And each of the words was about something we could have never have known about them. 920 00:47:13,044 --> 00:47:15,964 And it might have come through a picture or a word or just a 921 00:47:15,964 --> 00:47:17,104 sort of description of something. 922 00:47:17,554 --> 00:47:19,664 But yeah, it was amazing. 923 00:47:19,694 --> 00:47:24,714 And I think people left going, Oh, yeah God, I don't even 924 00:47:24,714 --> 00:47:25,954 really have a concept of God. 925 00:47:25,954 --> 00:47:29,534 But he told this stranger that about me. 926 00:47:29,634 --> 00:47:29,884 Yeah. 927 00:47:29,924 --> 00:47:31,604 And it's because he loves me. 928 00:47:31,619 --> 00:47:36,899 And one of my favourite stories was it was this, it wasn't that time, it was another 929 00:47:36,899 --> 00:47:43,599 time, but a lady who was on crutches, and older lady not great mobility, and the 930 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:48,159 word for her was dancer, and I think God's saying that you should be dancing. 931 00:47:48,994 --> 00:47:49,564 And it's yeah. 932 00:47:49,874 --> 00:47:53,024 Look at this lady, she can barely walk, let alone dance. 933 00:47:53,054 --> 00:47:54,834 And this woman just dissolves in tears. 934 00:47:55,354 --> 00:47:58,384 And she then told her story about as a girl, that's all she wanted to do. 935 00:47:58,394 --> 00:48:01,254 She wants to be a dancer and she completely given up on that hope 936 00:48:01,304 --> 00:48:04,374 because of various things that happened in life that have been blocks. 937 00:48:04,814 --> 00:48:10,194 And that just showed her something of God's father heart for her. 938 00:48:10,644 --> 00:48:13,714 I don't think there was necessarily a healing that she was going to become a 939 00:48:13,714 --> 00:48:17,589 dancer, but it was something that person praying for her could not have known. 940 00:48:17,669 --> 00:48:18,049 Yeah. 941 00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:21,439 Not known and didn't, she was a complete stranger to her and yet it 942 00:48:21,439 --> 00:48:22,589 really touched that woman's heart. 943 00:48:22,589 --> 00:48:22,859 Yeah. 944 00:48:22,869 --> 00:48:24,369 And I've no idea what her story was. 945 00:48:24,879 --> 00:48:25,799 Maybe she's watching. 946 00:48:26,349 --> 00:48:28,159 That's God's heart in the end. 947 00:48:28,169 --> 00:48:32,899 He wants to express his love to his people, those who know 948 00:48:32,909 --> 00:48:33,879 him and those that don't. 949 00:48:33,909 --> 00:48:37,759 And I think really that that's one of the ways we can test out 950 00:48:37,769 --> 00:48:40,519 these kind of spiritual gifts is is this communicating God's love? 951 00:48:41,444 --> 00:48:42,754 Matt Edmundson: Yeah, super powerful ways. 952 00:48:42,964 --> 00:48:44,274 Why is it for the common good? 953 00:48:44,644 --> 00:48:46,904 And by good, it's God's goodness. 954 00:48:46,964 --> 00:48:50,664 Yeah, it's the goodness of God manifest here in someone's life. 955 00:48:50,664 --> 00:48:52,214 And we could trade stories all day long. 956 00:48:52,214 --> 00:48:55,364 I remember a few years ago, I was due to speak at a church, 957 00:48:55,404 --> 00:48:56,784 not our church, different church. 958 00:48:56,804 --> 00:48:59,764 And I was the night before, I just couldn't, I was a 959 00:48:59,824 --> 00:49:00,954 bit restless in my sleep. 960 00:49:00,954 --> 00:49:06,934 And I remember waking up, I've got it journaled. 961 00:49:06,934 --> 00:49:08,394 I can't remember the exact time off the top of my head, but it's four 962 00:49:08,394 --> 00:49:09,544 or five o'clock in the morning. 963 00:49:09,894 --> 00:49:12,874 And I remember seeing the clock by the side of the bed. 964 00:49:13,674 --> 00:49:14,494 It wasn't my bed. 965 00:49:14,784 --> 00:49:16,304 So there was an alarm clock. 966 00:49:16,354 --> 00:49:17,996 There's not normally an alarm clock by the side of my bed, but 967 00:49:17,996 --> 00:49:19,064 there's this alarm clock there. 968 00:49:19,064 --> 00:49:20,024 And I remember the time. 969 00:49:20,714 --> 00:49:23,994 And when you wake up in the middle of the night, and you remember the dream, 970 00:49:24,004 --> 00:49:28,154 because for whatever reason, I remember this dream where I dreamt, I had this 971 00:49:28,154 --> 00:49:35,164 real clear dream of a woman In a bath, not in a pervy way, just to point that out I 972 00:49:35,164 --> 00:49:39,054 didn't see anything I shouldn't see, but she was leaning over the side of the bath. 973 00:49:39,904 --> 00:49:42,584 crying our eyes out, just pouring a heart out to God. 974 00:49:42,604 --> 00:49:43,634 Now, I couldn't see a face. 975 00:49:43,634 --> 00:49:45,504 I just saw it almost from a bird's eye. 976 00:49:46,294 --> 00:49:50,874 And I saw the tears as they were coming down the side of the bath turned to gold. 977 00:49:51,114 --> 00:49:52,884 It was a pretty memorable dream. 978 00:49:53,734 --> 00:49:54,364 Pretty vivid. 979 00:49:54,974 --> 00:49:58,674 And I remember going to the church next day and doing the talk and it was okay. 980 00:49:58,674 --> 00:50:01,344 I think I don't know. 981 00:50:01,484 --> 00:50:02,964 I didn't they, they've never invited me back. 982 00:50:05,194 --> 00:50:11,834 But I remember thinking I need to share that story and I said, I'm, 983 00:50:11,914 --> 00:50:13,974 I stood up and I shared this story and I said, I don't know why I'd 984 00:50:13,974 --> 00:50:14,954 need to share this dream with you. 985 00:50:14,954 --> 00:50:18,104 This was a dream that I had and this was the time that I woke up 986 00:50:18,234 --> 00:50:20,544 and if that resonates with anyone, then I would love to pray for you. 987 00:50:20,864 --> 00:50:24,384 A woman came up to me and said, it was me in the bath. 988 00:50:24,714 --> 00:50:28,564 I was in the bath at four o'clock this morning, leaning over the side of it. 989 00:50:28,564 --> 00:50:32,774 Like you said, crying and pouring out my heart and I was just tears 990 00:50:32,854 --> 00:50:38,174 coming down my face and I just I don't get those dreams every day. 991 00:50:38,414 --> 00:50:39,934 I just want to be super clear, right? 992 00:50:40,354 --> 00:50:44,354 But this was the gifts of the Holy Spirit in manifestation for her good. 993 00:50:44,374 --> 00:50:45,584 Yeah, now don't get me wrong. 994 00:50:45,754 --> 00:50:48,014 It properly insanely blessed me. 995 00:50:49,014 --> 00:50:50,934 Yeah, because why would it not? 996 00:50:51,964 --> 00:50:55,574 But I remember, and we prayed together and we laugh together and 997 00:50:55,584 --> 00:50:59,224 we just rejoice together because it was such a supernatural occurrence. 998 00:50:59,244 --> 00:50:59,604 Yeah. 999 00:50:59,904 --> 00:51:02,254 For God to do that to break into her life. 1000 00:51:02,254 --> 00:51:02,444 Yeah. 1001 00:51:02,689 --> 00:51:02,939 Yeah. 1002 00:51:02,969 --> 00:51:03,499 Does that make sense? 1003 00:51:03,499 --> 00:51:03,839 Yeah. 1004 00:51:03,899 --> 00:51:04,979 All for the common good. 1005 00:51:05,419 --> 00:51:05,699 Fantastic. 1006 00:51:06,469 --> 00:51:06,849 Yeah. 1007 00:51:06,909 --> 00:51:10,099 I think we should probably end our Conversation Street because I think 1008 00:51:10,099 --> 00:51:13,019 we're just going to keep going and I've just noticed the time. 1009 00:51:13,019 --> 00:51:14,278 Will Sopwith: I've 1010 00:51:14,279 --> 00:51:15,069 Matt Edmundson: just noticed the time. 1011 00:51:15,389 --> 00:51:19,409 Listen, I'm going to put on the screen our web address, www. 1012 00:51:19,459 --> 00:51:19,709 crowd. 1013 00:51:19,889 --> 00:51:22,179 church, or on social media, at Crowd Church. 1014 00:51:22,179 --> 00:51:23,639 You can reach us either way. 1015 00:51:24,439 --> 00:51:25,369 We would love to hear from you. 1016 00:51:25,369 --> 00:51:27,699 Got any stories, anything you want to share, or if you've got any 1017 00:51:27,709 --> 00:51:31,039 prayer requests, anything you'd like us to pray about, do let us know. 1018 00:51:31,049 --> 00:51:31,719 Reach out to us. 1019 00:51:31,989 --> 00:51:33,609 We get lots of prayer requests every week. 1020 00:51:35,084 --> 00:51:38,054 And it's so great to hear from people all over the world, just being able to stand 1021 00:51:38,054 --> 00:51:39,984 with you guys in prayer is fantastic. 1022 00:51:40,554 --> 00:51:45,544 And if you are new to the Christian faith, on the website, you will find 1023 00:51:45,544 --> 00:51:47,434 something called the Alpha Course. 1024 00:51:47,474 --> 00:51:51,914 Now we started an Alpha Course Three weeks ago, we are now on 1025 00:51:51,924 --> 00:51:54,284 week four in the Alpha course. 1026 00:51:54,844 --> 00:51:56,774 And so it's not too late to come join us. 1027 00:51:56,774 --> 00:51:59,494 In fact, we had an email today from somebody who wants to 1028 00:51:59,504 --> 00:52:01,054 come join the Alpha course. 1029 00:52:01,184 --> 00:52:01,944 It's not too late. 1030 00:52:01,944 --> 00:52:03,924 So if that's you, if you want to know more about the Christian 1031 00:52:03,924 --> 00:52:06,164 faith, why not come check it out? 1032 00:52:06,164 --> 00:52:08,794 Just drop us if you go to the website, www. 1033 00:52:08,824 --> 00:52:09,034 crowd. 1034 00:52:09,214 --> 00:52:12,574 church, just follow the link and give us your name and email 1035 00:52:12,574 --> 00:52:15,864 address and I will email you all the details for the alpha course. 1036 00:52:15,864 --> 00:52:18,014 It'll be great to see you in there. 1037 00:52:18,504 --> 00:52:20,534 But Will, in closing, anything else from you, bud? 1038 00:52:20,999 --> 00:52:23,699 Will Sopwith: Yeah, just if there's, if this has prompted a load of questions 1039 00:52:23,699 --> 00:52:26,259 about spiritual gifts yeah keep listening. 1040 00:52:26,259 --> 00:52:28,599 We're talking much more about the Holy Spirit in coming weeks and the 1041 00:52:28,599 --> 00:52:33,069 fruits of the Spirit but also, yeah get in touch and very happy to continue 1042 00:52:33,069 --> 00:52:35,329 that dialogue offline as it were. 1043 00:52:35,389 --> 00:52:38,799 Yeah, please do, please do get in touch and and keep listening. 1044 00:52:39,404 --> 00:52:40,034 Matt Edmundson: Fantastic. 1045 00:52:40,454 --> 00:52:46,934 Now next week we have the Fantabulous Dan Orange and Ruth Orange, I believe. 1046 00:52:47,304 --> 00:52:49,794 Cause as I said at the start, it's my birthday next week 1047 00:52:49,794 --> 00:52:51,144 and I, it's not, I'm not here. 1048 00:52:51,204 --> 00:52:53,694 You're course birthday course, but I'm on this, I'm on a three 1049 00:52:53,699 --> 00:52:56,604 day intensive course, so just literally move the dates last minute. 1050 00:52:56,604 --> 00:52:57,774 You've got Dan and Ruth. 1051 00:52:57,774 --> 00:52:59,184 I will try and join in the comments. 1052 00:52:59,524 --> 00:53:02,014 But you're gonna be back in a few weeks doing your talk. 1053 00:53:02,074 --> 00:53:02,494 Indeed. 1054 00:53:02,584 --> 00:53:03,034 Yeah. 1055 00:53:03,034 --> 00:53:03,035 Yeah. 1056 00:53:03,154 --> 00:53:03,334 Will Sopwith: Oh 1057 00:53:03,334 --> 00:53:03,964 Matt Edmundson: goodness. 1058 00:53:04,114 --> 00:53:04,534 Yeah. 1059 00:53:05,469 --> 00:53:06,109 I can't keep him away. 1060 00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:07,189 Just can't keep him away. 1061 00:53:07,659 --> 00:53:09,049 I'll be back in a few weeks as well. 1062 00:53:09,049 --> 00:53:12,209 But listen, it's been great chatting with you guys tonight. 1063 00:53:12,489 --> 00:53:13,579 Love these conversations. 1064 00:53:14,189 --> 00:53:14,479 Love it. 1065 00:53:14,859 --> 00:53:17,599 Because I just come away and going, Oh, yeah, some of these 1066 00:53:17,599 --> 00:53:18,799 things that I've forgotten about. 1067 00:53:18,859 --> 00:53:19,349 Yeah. 1068 00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:20,498 Yeah. 1069 00:53:20,499 --> 00:53:21,779 God do that in my life, man. 1070 00:53:21,779 --> 00:53:22,009 Yeah. 1071 00:53:22,294 --> 00:53:22,614 Will Sopwith: Amen. 1072 00:53:22,874 --> 00:53:23,274 Do you know what I mean? 1073 00:53:23,274 --> 00:53:23,804 Absolutely. 1074 00:53:23,804 --> 00:53:25,314 Should we pray? 1075 00:53:25,344 --> 00:53:25,914 Do you for us? 1076 00:53:25,914 --> 00:53:26,694 Yeah, let's pray. 1077 00:53:27,204 --> 00:53:30,494 Yeah, Lord God, I thank you for the gifts that you give us. 1078 00:53:30,494 --> 00:53:34,834 I thank you that you know full well the limit of our abilities, Lord God, and 1079 00:53:34,844 --> 00:53:39,684 that's no limitation for being in your kingdom and seeing your kingdom come. 1080 00:53:39,884 --> 00:53:43,734 And Lord, I thank you for those gifts that are for the common good. 1081 00:53:43,774 --> 00:53:46,054 I thank you from the one spirit. 1082 00:53:47,189 --> 00:53:50,389 We can trust you because we know your character, Lord. 1083 00:53:50,429 --> 00:53:51,989 We know you from your word. 1084 00:53:52,429 --> 00:53:55,939 And we know that operating in those gifts is a safe space. 1085 00:53:55,949 --> 00:53:58,369 So Lord, give us a hunger to do that, Lord. 1086 00:53:58,389 --> 00:54:02,459 And I just pray for all those that are left wondering, having listened to 1087 00:54:02,459 --> 00:54:06,774 this, Lord God, would you Yeah, just start that conversation with them. 1088 00:54:07,204 --> 00:54:09,894 Oh, God, and thank you for the gifts. 1089 00:54:10,004 --> 00:54:11,174 Thank you for the gifts you've given. 1090 00:54:11,194 --> 00:54:11,564 Thank you. 1091 00:54:11,604 --> 00:54:16,864 They are ready for our building up and for the common good as we've heard. 1092 00:54:17,364 --> 00:54:20,674 So go with us this week as we live supernaturally. 1093 00:54:20,674 --> 00:54:21,754 In Jesus name. 1094 00:54:22,214 --> 00:54:22,664 Matt Edmundson: Amen. 1095 00:54:22,704 --> 00:54:23,434 Amen. 1096 00:54:23,714 --> 00:54:24,164 Amen. 1097 00:54:24,164 --> 00:54:24,664 Indeed. 1098 00:54:24,674 --> 00:54:25,494 So thanks, everybody. 1099 00:54:25,494 --> 00:54:26,754 Thanks for being in the comments. 1100 00:54:27,379 --> 00:54:28,249 Peter, good to see you. 1101 00:54:28,259 --> 00:54:29,469 Thanks Dave for the talk. 1102 00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:32,149 Great spark of a great conversation. 1103 00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:33,189 I enjoyed that. 1104 00:54:33,479 --> 00:54:38,239 And if you've been on the Instagram live streaming, you've been dropping in and 1105 00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,079 out, it's been great to see you in there. 1106 00:54:40,419 --> 00:54:43,379 We will be doing this more and more, I think over the coming weeks and 1107 00:54:43,379 --> 00:54:45,294 months, because why would we not? 1108 00:54:46,074 --> 00:54:46,984 Why would we not indeed? 1109 00:54:46,994 --> 00:54:47,704 It seems to work. 1110 00:54:47,704 --> 00:54:49,844 So very happy with that. 1111 00:54:49,844 --> 00:54:51,834 So thank you for bearing with us on this test and trial. 1112 00:54:51,834 --> 00:54:54,134 But if you're watching us on Instagram, big shout out to you. 1113 00:54:54,804 --> 00:54:55,514 You're a legend. 1114 00:54:55,834 --> 00:54:57,424 So that's it for me. 1115 00:54:57,454 --> 00:54:58,474 That's it from Will. 1116 00:54:58,484 --> 00:54:59,514 Thank you. 1117 00:54:59,514 --> 00:55:00,344 I'm just looking for the button on here. 1118 00:55:00,554 --> 00:55:02,064 Thank you so much for joining us. 1119 00:55:02,314 --> 00:55:03,894 Have a fantastic week wherever you are in the world. 1120 00:55:03,894 --> 00:55:04,414 We'll see you next time. 1121 00:55:04,864 --> 00:55:05,174 Bye for now. 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