Welcome everyone.

My name is Emile van Biljon and I'm part of the team at the Demartini Institute,

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The topic we are going to be discussing with Dr. Demartini is the innovator's

mindset for building wealth. If you do have any questions related to this topic,

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Dr. Demartini. Are you there? Welcome.

Dr. Demartini. Are you ready to go with the first question?

Okay. I'm ready. Good morning everyone, afternoon or whatever time it is. I bet.

What is the innovator's mindset and why does that allow one opportunity to

build wealth? Okay. Those are two.

I'll have to take those in two steps and then we'll connect them. How's that?

Perfect. Okay.

I define innovation, original thinking,

creativity and even genius in a similar category.

And I used to teach a course many years ago,

called Awakening The Genius Within,

and I was very fascinated by that topic of creativity,

creating original ideas. I've said to myself,

since I was in around 20, that 'I create original ideas that serve humanity,

I create original ideas that serve humanity'.

That's been sort of an internal dialogue that I wanted to do,

but I found out that when you are challenged,

you are innovative.

When things are supportive and things are going your way and easy,

things are easy, you stay in your comfort zone,

you stay in the status quo because it's working, you think, 'okay, it's working,

don't need to change', but when all of a sudden things challenge you,

you have to come up with creative ideas and adapt.

And it has been found that when you're pursuing challenges

that are most inspiring to you,

when you're pursuing challenges that are most inspiring to you,

that's when you get the most innovation, creativity, genius, et cetera.

Genius is the pursuit of challenges that inspire you.

Now,

some people have listened to me talking about living by highest

priorities, highest values.

There's no way I can do justice to human behavior and maximizing your potential

without it. Because when we live by priority,

the highest value we are pursuing something that's inspiring

to us where we innovate. Children that are playing video games,

young boys and stuff that play video games,

the second thing they conquer a video game,

they want to go to the next level and go to the next challenging video game and

tackle a bigger challenge. And that's when they're,

they liked that challenge and they are innovative and creative and figure out

how to solve that. And if they solve that, they want to go onto the next one.

So it's a natural biological,

psychological endeavour to go and pursue

challenges that inspire you. And so you want to make sure that you are,

if you want to maximize your innovation, your creativity, or genius,

your original idea and not take in borrowed visions

subordinating to them and walk the path that the most innovative creative genius

you can be, it's sticking to priority and focusing on what is really, really,

really most important to you and pursuing the challenges that you want to

tackle. If you don't fill your day with challenges and inspire you,

it fills up a challenge that don't.

When you fill your day with challenge that inspire you, you have eustress.

When you fill it with challenges that don't, you have distress.

So giving yourself permission to go and pursue the challenges.

And one of the greatest challenges you can do,

the greatest challenge you can do,

is filling the needs of service for people in ever larger

scales.

So if you find out the biggest problem that the world is facing or whatever one

you feel you can contribute to and target that and go and try to solve that,

you get the most innovative. And if you can create an answer,

a solution to that problem and do it more effectively and

efficiently than somebody else out there,

you you have the capacity to earn the greatest wealth.

Wealth is an expression of sustainable fair exchange

with other people, solving their problems, filling their needs,

answering their questions.

So first pursue something that inspires you,

but then look for challenges that the world is facing.

And when you can tackle the challenges that the world is facing on ever greater

scales, the bigger the problem you're able to solve,

the more wealthy potentially you can have because wealth is simply the

accumulation of sustaining transactions with other people,

filling their needs and getting paid for it and putting a portion of it into

asset accumulation. That is financial wealth.

And so I I've made it a point to do that in my life.

I made a point to take a portion of whatever I've earned and put it aside.

Most people without realizing, the second they earn more,

they spend more and they, they keep spending on lifestyle

so they're living month to month, all the time,

instead of setting a portion of it aside and letting it compound and grow.

Einstein said compound interest is one of our greatest,

greatest gifts in the world. And it's true.

It's an amazing thing what happens if you just are patient with it.

If you have immediate gratification,

you can't see the longterm impact of compound interest,

but if you can think of longterm compound interest, you can do amazing things.

So pursuing challenges that inspire you,

that fill great numbers of people's needs. The ever greater number the greater,

solving those problems,

allowing you with sustainable fair exchange and taking a portion of that and

setting it aside and buying assets,

real assets that put money in your pocket and not take money out that are

consumables and depreciable's. But real assets,

is a way how innovation can create wealth.

And look at, look at Amazon.

The wealthiest men in the world innovated something 20 years ago,

that was way ahead of its time.

And today now there's millions of people using Amazon millions,

just fricking billion people using Amazon, because he had an innovative thought.

I wonder what would happen if we sat down and instead of thinking about all of

our problems and putting all this energy on,

what's going on in the news and these kind of things,

and we just focused on actually,

what is the greatest problems that I would love to solve on the planet that

could help the greatest number of people?

Bill Gates asks the question on a regular basis. You know,

how can I do today, the most efficient,

effective actions, that serve the ever greater numbers of people,

the greatest number of people with the resources I have in a way that inspires

me, inspires the people?

And if you ask that question on a daily basis and look for solutions and problem

solutions and go and implement those, effectively and inefficiently,

competitively, because you care, then man,

wealth is yours and creativity is going to be yours because creativity is going

to come out of solving those problems.

And Dr. Demartini, Warren Buffet said,

we wont have wealth if we can't manage our emotions,

what is your take on that statement?

Well, it's,

before I even knew about Warren Buffett,

I could see the truth of that. So when I heard that from Warren Buffet,

I went boom, immediately that made sense,

because of two complimentary opposite

polarities inside a human being. And I'm going to try to develop this if I can.

So maybe you get a piece of paper out and draw this. If you have it,

if not, just kind of visualize it with me.

I want you to imagine a line coming down from the top of the page, down,

about halfway down the page.

And then I want you to imagine a line 'S' shape line,

a snake kind of line going like this,

which you've seen me draw in my Breakthrough Experience

so i'll put it here like this. So,

on your left side,

it's coming down and crossing over at the midpoint and then going down.

And I want you to imagine that this is pointing upward and that's, you're proud,

self-righteous, inflated, puffed

up persona that you wear. I mean,

we all have moments where we puff ourselves up and

are, greater than we are - put greater sign there.

This is the part we're greater than we actually are.

Where the line crosses equally right there, at midpoint,

that's where we are our true self worth. That's where we are really.

That's our true self. Here we puff ourselves up. Over here.

We, we beat ourselves down. So we deflate ourselves.

We get shamed. We minimize ourselves. We have a 'lesser than'.

Here we have a 'greater than', here we have a 'lesser than'.

So we have a pride and a shame, inflated and deflated.

You know, self-righteous - self-wrongeous. Puffed up - deflated.

When we go and puff ourselves up, the moment we go above equilibrium,

where our true self is, which is equanimity. The moment we go above,

we move in towards, a narcissistic side.

And whenever we go below, we tend to go into an altruistic side.

Now, what does that mean? If you've done a transaction with somebody,

you've done a service, pardon me,

you've done a service and somebody's paid you and you in advance, you said,

'Here's what the service is. Here's what the fee is'.

They pay you exactly at the day you give the service the fee and it's a

completely closed transaction, completed transaction.

And you got paid exactly what you wanted for the fee that they wanted.

And it was a perfect exchange.

You have what is called a sustainable fair exchange.

And both parties are going to probably want to continue to go forward in the

transaction.

But when you get puffed up and you believe that you deserve

more,

that means that you have done more service and they didn't pay the full amount.

So if you did the service and they didn't pay the full amount,

what they agreed to, you get narcissistic and you demand more.

I want something for nothing more. Cause I've already given you the service.

But if all of a sudden you've given the service,

but you didn't give the service that was agreed to, and they've already paid.

You tend to go altruistic and feel like, 'I need to owe them something.

I need to give them more service.' So when you feel that they didn't pay you the

full amount, you get narcissistic.

When you feel that you didn't give the full amount for what they paid you go

altruistic. Now, the human being,

according to equity theory has a built in psycho stat,

thermostat you might say, for high and low temperatures,

it's trying to regulate it and get it back into the normal temperature,

72 degrees. So if you go high,

you have a builtin part of you that, you know,

if you get cocky it's because you feel that you deserve something you haven't

gotten. When you were on altruistic,

you feel like you have gotten something you didn't deserve and you minimize

yourself.

So both of these mechanisms tend to try to get something for

nothing or try to give something for nothing, because it's not a fair exchange.

And it's trying to get back into fair exchange. We have a natural,

intuitive thermostat trying to get us into fair because we know innately that

that's where sustainable, the relationships occur.

Whether it be in our relationship at home, our kids, our business, our work,

our clients, equity theory shows this. Now,

anytime we're doing a transaction and we feel that we got shortchanged,

we're going to get narcissistic. Anytime we feel that we,

we have shortchanged others, then we get altruistic. Altruistic's when

we want to give away. Narcissism, we want to get something.

So narcissists we want to get something for nothing.

Altruist we want to give something for nothing.

Now let's take those two personas. Pardon me.

Let's take those two personas and let's stick them on top of money management.

And, and just look at what happens here.

And this happens across the board.

Every time we have a credit cycle,

credit cycle's about a seven to 11 year period of banking credit.

What happens is, the market,

when the stock market or real estate market or any investment market goes up,

it goes up and down every seven to 10, 11 years.

And it goes up when you borrow money, people get exuberant.

They go out and spend their money and then they go out and they go, 'Oh crap.

Now I've got debt.' And then,

so there's a cycle where they're related and then there's a cycle and they're

depressed having to pay the debt'. So this cycle goes like that. And when,

when the businesses are up, people get exuberant,

irrational, emotional, and they start getting optimistic. When they do,

they tend to think, well, the market is going up. And once the market goes up,

whatever,

the type of investment market goes up higher than the cost of money,

people will borrow money to put in the market to make money off money

and use other people's money.

And they'll get narcissistic and want to get something, a return,

off nothing. It's the same psychology.

So when there's an irrational exuberance going on,

and there's a manic phase of a market cycle, and people do it in,

in 2000,

36% of the entire NASDAQ market,

was borrowed money, it was a house of cards.

People were exuberant cause they were getting double digit returns.

And then all of a sudden they're now borrowing money because they can borrow

money at 6% and they'll get 10,

12% and just borrowing a million dollars and stick it in here and making

$400,000 in six months. So they're saying, Oh man.

And they started getting puffed up even further.

And they get into an irrational exuberance and they start to think of, well,

I'll borrow more money, but once he goes above the mean here's the mean.

And once it goes above the mean it corrects, and the credit cycle comes.

But by the time they do it, they're blind. When they're manic,

they're blind to the downsides, they borrowed money. And

the banks demand their money and they're,

they called on the loans and the people have lost money. And so they learn that,

'Well, I got emotional and I let my emotions run me and I borrowed money.

And now I'm in debt.

And now I've got to pay it back on the whole things crashed.

And I got to pay back. Now I'm in debt.' And this was because we got emotional.

On the other side when they go down and they,

they get altruistic.

What they do is they want to sell because they don't lose their money.

And then they sell at the bottom and then they give their money away

undervalued. And the altruistic side comes out.

And if they have really bought, got hit on both of those,

they are double whammy.

They stay out of the market cause they think 'that's too crazy'.

When in fact the reason they did that,

is because they were not living according to their highest values.

They were in their amygdala going into extreme emotions.

They were not focused on what was really priority, longterm investments.

They were not buying assets based on the mean,

which is the real price of the asset, the real value of the asset.

They were exaggerating themselves and then minimizing themselves,

which means they have emotions and people that exaggerate themselves,

borrow money and get themselves in debt and people that are minimizing

themselves, sell out at the bottom to get cash because they're desperate.

And both of those people lose money.

And that's why the person who's objective and stays on the mean and thinks

longterm is the investor.

The rest of them are speculators speculating on the market.

And I don't recommend speculation.

I recommend consistent longterm visionary investing.

And that requires that you live by highest values.

You serve the people's highest values. You do it in a sustainable fair exchange.

You understand the mean you don't try to get something for nothing or give

something for nothing, which is non-sustainable.

And you take it and you keep buying true assets,

which are companies that really serve people over long term.

Southwest airlines was a company that,

it was less likely to get irrationally exuberant.

A lot of the airlines get expand and expand,

and then they contract and expand and contract through the market cycle.

Southwest Airlines made sure they didn't go up too high and didn't go too low

and kept vast cash reserves. I tell people by keeping cash reserves,

you reduce the emotional volatilities. You keep your strategies,

you think longterm. And then if you have cash reserves,

if there is occasional crash, every seven to 10 years,

you have cash for the crash. And you end up on top. And I've been telling that,

Sir John Templeton said the same thing. Buffett has said the same thing.

Benjamin Graham said the same thing, Phil Carret said the things,

all the great minds that were real investors understood this.

So emotions destroy wealth. That's why Warren Buffett said that.

And longterm strategies build it.

The executive center is the center for longterm strategies. It has foresight,

it has strategic planning and has vision. The amygdala is an immediate,

gratifying desire center, trying to avoid predators, seek prey.

And that's where you speculate.

And people that can't get out of their amygdala are addictive and they want to

quickly fix. And they follow the herd. When you're living by the amygdala,

you follow the herd. When you live by your executive center, you lead the herd.

I'd much rather lead the herd,

and I do that and I'd become wealthy because I've led

the herd. And I followed basic principles that have stood the test of time.

So until you can manage emotions, don't expect to manage money.

One of the things that I teach in the Breakthrough Experience is how to manage

emotions and people think, 'well,

how's that going to help my life?' Well in your brain,

your mind will not have creative genius unless it's pursuing what's highest on

its value, objectively and looking for it. Because when you're in emotions,

you don't think about solving problems,

you're thinking about reacting to outside circumstances.

So you lose your mental capacities when you're not living by highest priorities.

In business, the same thing you get exuberant, and then you get cocky.

And then you,

you get blind to the downsides and get blind in the business and get hit.

Or you go on the other side,

you get altruism and sacrifice and you give away your profits.

So all areas of life are impacted by those emotions.

That's why in Breakthrough I'm, I'm attempting to give

the method,

Demartini Method to help them empower all seven areas without them realizing it

maybe upfront,

but I'm giving them a tool that's a gold mine to help them master all of those

areas with one action. And I, and I,

I could go for hours on the significance of that mastery.

The people want a quick fix. Sometimes they want to,

they want immediate gratification.

And that is the thing that undermines relationships, the brain, all

areas of our life are undermined by immediate gratification.

And I've worked with people in consulting and in Brerakthrough's and in other

seminars with so many people just have so much difficulty breaking their

addiction to these immediate gratifications and these highs.

And anytime you see a high without a low or a low, without a high,

your brain polarizes the mind and makes you think you can get one

side without the other. You can't,

it is impossible to divide the mind up except in your elusiveness.

When you were illusioned into thinking, you can get a high without a lower,

a low, without a high,

it feeds your delusion and makes you think you can get it.

And therefore it makes you impulsively seeking one sidedness and trying to avoid

the other. The wise individual is objective.

The wise individual understands homeostasis.

The wise individual understands brain physiology and knows to go after a long

term strategic vision. It's the old tortoise and the hare.

And the tortoise that stays along just methodical and the hare's going all over

the place eventually the tortoise wins the race. And I think that

getting rich methodically is much wiser than gambling and having rise and

falls, I teach people to go and read about Jesse Livermore.

Jesse Livermore was the wealthiest and the poorest and the wealthiest and the

poorest, the wealthiest and poorest and eventually suicided himself,

trying to get rich quick. And I,

and I think it's because of emotions. So I hope I've answered that question.

That was great. Thanks Dr. Demartini and then what you've seen over the years,

what are the internal blocks to building wealth in your opinion?

Well, besides the ones I just mentioned.

You know, I, I find that many people

when they say they want to be financially independent,

they're not doing what it takes.

I've said before on some of my other presentations.

There are 10 steps that if you don't know those 10 answers to the 10 questions

of financial independence,

you don't have any intention of being financially independent. So the one,

they don't take the time to plan out and put together a financial plan

and there's strategy and stick to it. And it is not rocket science.

I've helped thousands of people rebuild their wealth after calamities,

or start from scratch young people and build their wealth.

And the ones who have followed my simple,

old fashioned approach and never stopped,

are the ones that are becoming wealthy and the people that want to gamble all

the time, they rise and then they they're proud. And then they crash.

They have these events occur they're, and it's just a rocket and,

and up and down and up and down and stuff. And I,

I'm absolutely certain that there's a step by step methodical strategic

strategy to building wealth.

That is so simple that anybody listening to this can do it.

And they they're. It's just a matter of they do.

If they have the values to do it,

if you don't have a value on buying assets,

financial independence is not going to happen.

Your hierarchy of values dictate your financial destiny.

And if you don't have a value on building wealth and a value on serving people

and having fair exchange, like the things I've been saying,

and you don't have a value on mastering your mind.

If you're not studying wealth, you're not building cushions,

you're not stabilizing your emotions - the probability of you being

financially independent goes way down. I'm not saying you couldn't.

You might have circumstances where you get inheritance and these kinds of

things, but, but methodical, consistent wealth building is,

it takes a strategy. And there are gimmicks.

I am amazed at the gimmicks on the market,

feeding the fantasies of the people who want the lifestyle,

the rich and famous overnight. They'll, they'll,

they'll do an advertising on that, have that ship,

that yacht have that big penthouse and have that pot of gold and have that.

And they,

they feed the fantasies and sell the quick get rich games to

people that are desperate in their amygdala instead of being

proactive strategy, patient,

building longterm compound interest and building wealth.

And I,

I watch the people that go off on the tangents and I watch the people that stay

steady and the people that stay steady year by year,

they can see a progression and it keeps getting bigger and bigger every year.

And all of a sudden they realized that there's a crescendo to their wealth

building instead of a, a rise and fall roller coaster.

So managing your emotions is one, having a strategy is two,

having a high value on wealth building and not bullshitting yourself,

not thinking it is.

And the way you know that is you are actually building wealth.

If you have no assets accumulated, you don't have a value on wealth building,

or you would have assets accumulated because you'd be doing it.

So if you don't have it,

then there needs to be a change in values if you want to get wealthy.

And then you need to have some sort of structure that has no emotion in it.

One of the greatest things we have that I've been using now for 38,

going on 39 years is automated savings and

investment structures. They're automated. There's no emotion in it.

It takes it out of my bank account and sticks it into my investments.

And it does it automatically on a certain day.

And you schedule and it's just done and there is no emotion about it,

and there's no turning back and it just happens.

And it's an unexpected bill that goes into investing.

That's one of the greatest things I ever learned to do 39 years ago.

And I started doing that, my financial life changed. So it's,

it's consistently accelerating the,

the willingness to reward yourself for services rendered and then the commitment

to go serve people and then taking portions of it,

ever greater proportions of that makes you more efficient in your business.

And it's about a strategy. There's no emotion,

money circulates through the economy from those who value it least to those who

value it most, from those who have the least order and you might say,

certainty about it to those who have the most.

And whoever has the most certainty,

I have absolute certainty that every week money is going into those investments

and every week it's going to grow, and I know what it's going to do.

I don't have to question it. And I go out and serve people.

My job is to serve people, that automation,

it's job is to make sure that I end up getting rewarded for it.

And when I put that in place, and if you do that, your life changes,

but it's not about emotions, it's about certainty.

And when you're infatuated or resentful, you never have certainty. If,

if I said to you, 'you're always up and you're never down,

or you're always down and never up', you would never have certainty about that.

Cause you go, 'no, that's not true.' But if I said, 'sometimes you're up,

sometimes you're down and you have a little of both. You'd go, 'yes.',

You only have certainty when you have objectivity and when you stick to the

mean, when you get to a strategy with a mean upfront.

So putting those in places as essential for,

for building wealth and putting a strategy in place. And it's again,

not rocket science. I guarantee I can show people. I've,

I've shown people how to do it in such a short period time.

I've actually had clients that have gone with me over to the financial

institution. I had them sign a piece of paper, two pieces of paper, that's it,

two piece of paper to have it automated from their bank account,

give them the bank account number. And they've automated a savings,

just like they have unexpected bills. Now we have an automated savings.

And then once they reach a certain threshold that goes into investments and

buying a certain type of investments, and I set it up,

they signed the piece of paper. I said, now go serve people, forget about it,

done. It's over with, go serve people,

stack up the benefits of doing that and keep going more efficiently at serving

and watch what happens. And people go a year later, they go, 'well,

I have saved more this year than I've ever seen in my life'. Great.

'And two years later now it's compounding. It's made me an extra $2,000 a year'.

Great. 'Year later, it's made me $5,000 a year.' Great.

It made me $12,000 this year, next year, it's maybe $28,000.

It just keeps compounding. They keep adding.

It keeps growing all of a sudden they go, 'Man. I'm,

I'm almost making from my investments what I was working.' I said, 'Great.

That's what the purpose of it is, not to be it's slave, to be its master.

And that's, this is where you have emotions.

This is where you're stabilizing your life.

This is where you're frustrated having to go to work.

Here's when you get to do something, you love to do it. Not because you have to,

but because you love to, this is, this is the purpose of it.

And the mastery of that is essential. In the Breakthrough Experience,

that's what I teach people, the mastery of the method, at least to that outcome.

And it's showing you the strategy. It's not that hard.

People make it very difficult. You know, what's interesting. Pardon me Emile,

but wall street has been lying to people for decades and I mean, decades,

century, 120 years,

they've been lying to people that it's complex,

to get you to offload money to them so they can mismanage

your money and make money off you.

Wall street was made for the brokers to make you broke.

They weren't meant for you. You must educate yourself, value yourself,

value the service you give,

value people to give the service and value wealth building if you want it to

work for you, there's no, there's no shortcuts. You do that.

Your life changes financially.

And your emotions are the absolute key foundation of that.

If you can't manage your emotions, you undermine it right off the bat.

That's why everything we can do to reduce emotions.

If you have to wait to see if you can afford to save,

instead of having it automated, you're going to get emotional about it.

'I don't know I can do it this week. I can't do it this month. I'll pass',

and you won't have a habit. It's the habit of doing it that matters.

And that's why electronically it's done.

Changes your behavior because you develop a habit electronically.

And Dr. Demartini, how do we increase our deserve level?

And see ourselves deserving deserving of vast wealth.

Well, every single thing that you've ever done in your life,

that if we were to film and put on camera on worldwide

news, that you would not want anybody to know about,

that you would feel ashamed of, guilty about, or feel humbled by,

humiliated by, I would make a list of those things.

In other words, everything, when you're private or public,

anything that you would not want anybody to see and do, or know,

you're judging about yourself and that judgment of yourself that is shamed or

guilted, or feeling you made a mistake or whatever.

Most of those come from your comparison to other people's values.

You never make a mistake in your own values.

You made the decision based on those values. You own,

it perceive yourself making a mistake.

When you subordinate to outside authorities. In the

I teach people how to dissolve the subordination to outside authorities.

That is one of the most significant things that undermine greatness,

is the subordination to outer authorities.

Being respectful to people is one thing,

but subordinating to them and offloading responsibilities that you are designed

to have onto other people for how to think and how to live and how to,

what the morals and everything else, is absolute hypocrisy and self,

self depreciating. Anytime you're a cat trying to swim like a fish,

you're going to beat yourself up.

Anytime you're trying to live in somebody else's values, you're not going to,

you're not going to do anything except self depreciate.

And anytime you think you're supposed to live by the superego as Freud said,

by the other values of outer authorities,

you're going to beat yourself up when you can't sustain it because you are only

sustainable in your own highest values. So anytime you set a goal,

that's not aligned with your highest values,

you're going to have an unsustainable self depreciation and all of those self

depreciations de-value you and make you feel unworthy of receiving wealth.

So it's extremely, extremely important to take a list of every single thing.

And I mean, well, your private or public,

anything you've ever done in your life, that if all of a sudden it was watched,

videoed private or public, and you know what I'm talking about,

put it and make a list of everything you would not want anybody to see,

anything that you feel humbled by, and then take that item by item

and ask, 'How specifically,

did this action serve whoever I feel guilty or ashamed

relative to?' So if you feel you did something that you feel ashamed about and

it would be, 'Oh, if my parents saw that, Oh my God, I feel terrible. Oh,

if my people or my friends saw that, Oh, I feel bad. Or if God saw that,

or whatever, your anthropomorphic deity that you make up in your mind,

whoever and whatever you would perceive that if they saw that you'd feel

humiliated,

find out how it served those people in that entity in your mind and find out how

it serves them. Because if you don't see how it serves them,

you're going to self depreciate.

And the number one thing that keeps people from receiving and holding onto money

and valuing themselves and not wanting to give it away through consumerism or

devalue themselves when it comes to transactions is shame, shame and guilt.

Number one thing. Foster Hibbard found that, he worked with Napoleon Hill,

Napoleon Hill, Foster Hibbard and myself.

I used to lecture with Foster Hibbard in the eighties, early eighties.

And we were basically describing that same thing. They saw that.

And he said that the solution was doing altruistic acts until it's compensated

for, I say, no, no. The ultraustic acts are still a result of the shame.

We got to dissolve the shame. How do you dissolve the shame? By finding out,

most of the shame that you have in your life and the guilt you have in your life

is the assumption that what you've done with your actions has caused more pain

than pleasure, more loss than gain, more negative than positive,

more drawbacks than advantages or whatever, to somebody.

And that's just not the case. In the Breakthrough Experience I've,

I've seen thousands of people dissolve their shame. We have a column 4,

and a column 11 for dissolving prides and shames in the program and people,

when I go there,

how many of you just dissolved some shame they've been carrying around for

weeks, months, decades, et cetera. And they all put their hands up,

show them how to dissolve it,

and that they don't realize it in that moment while they're doing that in the

Breakthrough Experience,

that they're actually now increasing the probability of them moving forward in

wealth,

every single one of those shames and guilts that they clear increases the

probability of value enough to say I deserve now,

because they devalued themselves and I don't deserve.

And they don't realize it's on a, on a subconscious level that,

'I don't deserve. I don't deserve'. And the way you know,

you don't deserve is you'll buy consumable items to make you feel better about

yourself,

by paying over priced prices for a brand that's transiently useful,

that impresses somebody out there that don't give a crap and then you end up

blowing it.

And then you end up with a credit card debt and then you self depreciate.

And now you get the high and then you get the low and then you self depreciate

instead of building your own brand, that you're inspired by,

that makes a difference in the world with fair exchange. Then you have wealth.

So self depreciation of shame and guilt and clearing that,

which I explained in the Breakthrough Experience, is very, very powerful.

It helping a person build their wealth, but it's not only that,

it affects your relationships.

Cause some people don't feel worthy of being in a relationship I've,

I've counseled to hundreds and hundreds of people that basically say, well,

I'm in a relationship and I'm all enamored with him.

But what happens if I finds out that I got these problems, you know,

then he'll leave me or she'll leave me. Well, that's your own self image.

Until you value you, don't expect anybody else to. You clear that,

and then you stand up and then you realize, yes,

I have some strengths and weaknesses in there based on my values,

but I have something of value to the world.

So if you want to stand and be strong in your self worth and not be

volatile in your self esteems.

So you have pseudo elevated self esteem and pseudo depressed self esteem,

and all of them together wove together in a blender makes self worth.

If you want to raise your self worth, come and learn that method,

the Demartini method.

So I can show you how to do that in the Breakthrough Experience,

because there's absolutely no reason why you have to beat yourself up about some

or puff yourself up.

And if you're addicted to puffing yourself up and being proud,

your brain has to set up automatically self depreciating things to get you back

in equilibrium.

The whole thing that's going on in your psychology is trying to get you at the

true self worth and at the true self worth,

that's where you have the most sustainable fair exchange and transactions.

When we get emotional, we tend to distort our transactions.

And then we wonder why they're not lasting - it's because we get the feedback

from it that we've either tried to get something, for nothing,

or try to give something for nothing. If we try to get something for nothing,

nobody wants to do business with us. If we try to give something nothing,

we don't want to do business with them. None of those are sustainables.

But when we have fair exchange,

when we're objective and we're living by our highest values,

and we're not having those emotional baggage,

baggage's we have transactions that work and they sustain.

So that's the, that's the key to it. That's the thing to it.

That's why mastering your, knowing what your values are,

knowing your highest values, sticking to priority,

finding out what problems you want to solve that inspire you are,

are essential components of wealth building.

And Dr. Demartini.

You talk about the magnitude of vision determining what you can achieve in

life. Can you elaborate on that relation to building wealth?

Well, every time you live by your highest value and you tend to walk your talk,

you tend to be disciplined, reliable, and focused.

You tend to be more objective,

which means you'll embrace pain and pleasure in the pursuit of a goal,

a real objective, and you tend to achieve it.

You tend to want achieve ever greater achievements.

So every time you live by your, your highest priority, you tend to expand.

And what that means is you tend to expand things in space.

You want to do something bigger and you want to do something that you can endure

longer. Your patience goes up.

So every time you do something that's high on your value,

and you achieve something, you tend to go to more unachievables.

So go to greater and greater things that eventually get greater space and time

horizons until the space and the time horizons goes beyond your mortal form.

And you start thinking of goals that go beyond your life.

And objectives that go beyond your immediate space, local environment.

You go non-local and you go non-timeful.

You go beyond that. And this is how you wake up the immortal legacy.

This is how you create a perpetuity and investment legends.

This is how you create legacies.

So every time you live by high priority,

your space and time horizons will grow once the space and time horizons go

beyond your own lifespan, say a hundred years,

you're on your way to creating an immortal legacy.

And immortal legacy is something that outlives your own mortal life.

And so that's, you're not going to outgrow that vision you have.

I've said before that if your vision is, is a, you know, community vision,

you'll probably make a difference in yourself or your family.

If you have a vision as big as your city,

you'll make a difference in your community.

If you have a vision as big as your state you'll make a leadership role in the

city. I've watched it in my own life.

I was probably one of the few people in my profession when I graduated

that were already thinking globally. And when I opened up my office,

I put clocks from around the world of all the major cities in there,

I put a map in my office and I started putting pins in the map on where all my

patients are coming from.

I put in white pins on where I wanted them to come from,

and then different colored pens from different nations when they were starting

to come in, I positioned myself next to about 14, within a mile of us,

there's 14 hotel complexes.

So I went to all the hotels and introduced and gave cards out to the people at

the front desk and let them know about my services.

I started to visualize that I had a globe in my office that I spin around.

You know, this big globe thing that spun around on a thing.

I could see the world.

I always looked outside the world from an astronomical view, a celestial view,

down on the planet and envision the globe, as mine.

I said to myself 'The universe is my playground. The world is my home.

Every country is a room in the house.

Every city has a platform to share my heart and soul.

And now I live for the last 20 years almost on a ship called 'The World' that

goes around the world.

So I've started out from an astronomical perspective and a global view.

I've studied astronomy, cosmology.

I'm writing another book on astronomy right now.

And I'm constantly thinking outside the box and looking down on the earth as if

it's just a play toy. The earth is an infintesimal for an infinite vision.

And so if your vision is small, you're not going to outgrow it.

You got to have a bigger vision to be able to grow. You know,

and we've got an Elon Musk that' out there,

that's going on and he's headed for Mars. He's just got to the space station.

He'll go to the moon soon, and then he'll go onto Mars. So there's a visionary.

And he's one of the wealthiest people.

He just converted his real estate holdings wisely into a different type of

investment finally,

cause he's being smart there because those things are sinkholes most of the

time. Lifestyle is a sinkhole compared to a real investment.

A real estate investment is different.

And even those right now are a bit shaky with what's going on with Corona.

But I want to buy companies that serve people that serve no matter what the

environment and get assets and expand your vision of what you can do

and reach people and serve people.

There's something fulfilling in knowing you're serving people,

buying companies and buying stocks in companies that are serving people or

building companies that serve people is fulfilling. And,

and if you have a global vision, then you,

there's nothing stopping you from having a global result.

And I I'm absolutely certain it's doable cause I've been doing it for many

years. I've been to 154 countries to speak.

I've taught the Breakthrough Experience in 65 of those countries.

So I'm absolutely certain that you can have that. It's just,

you gotta be willing to work towards it. And,

and if you give yourself permission to play on a global scale, it's yours.

And I watched when I was in school,

most people did not even think outside the box. They thought of a little,

a community and they have a little thing and they serve it.

And then they struggle. If that community is down there, they're down,

they have a global view.

There's always some place on the world that's doing well.

And you're just opened up there, give yourself permission to play.

And I think that it's a essential,

if you want to grow a fortunate and also grow influence.

All seven areas of your life,

you're wanting to expand whether you're conscious of it or not.

And everybody is wanting to mate with somebody that's got the best package in

all those seven areas. So if you,

why would you expect to get the greatest mate if you're not giving the greatest

date, if you're not giving something really amazing in the, in the package,

don't expect amazing package back.

So you settle for something less because you're basically devaluing yourself by

playing small. And and, and I'm not saying it's bad. It's not a moral issue.

It's just that inside you, you have an innate yearning to expand.

Nobody gets up and says,

I want to be less intelligent and get rid of all my knowledge.

No one gets up and says, I want to have a less powerful company.

I want to have serve less people and have less influence there.

No one says I want to have a less money.

No one says I want to have less fulfillment in relationship,

less social influence, less vitality and health, less spiritual awareness. No.

We have a yearning automatically to expand and to study the mysteries and go

into the greater Vista of the mysteries around us. So it's your natural,

it's your nature and innate within you to continue to expand.

And I'm interested in helping people do that.

That's what the Breakthrough Experience is for,

is breaking through the boundary, wherever you are and going to the next one.

And then breaking through that again,

the tools that I share in that program teach you how to break through barrier by

barrier, by barrier.

So you just keep going and then you can go as far as you want.

And there's no right and wrong if you, if you want to play small. Great.

But I doubt that that's what you want. Cause I've had people that say, well,

I don't want all that.

I was in Hawaii one time I was doing the Breakthrough Experience in a political,

politicians house, big house there. And he said, 'Well,

I've got everything I want. I got, I'm satisfied.

I don't really have any new desires anything like that.' And the wife came out

of the kitchen and hit him with a rag across his face. And said,

'What kind of lie is that? You're bitching about this.

You're bitching about this. You want this, you want this.

Why are you putting on this facade for these people?' She nailed him.

That's what the purpose of the spouse is for, to make you authentic.

And he goes, 'Okay, okay.' 'Okay.

So quit bitching and listen to the guy and tell him what you want so we can get

somewhere.' Because there's, when people say, I don't really want anymore,

It's because they've hit a plateau and they don't see a way past their own

obstacles. And then they justify it to feel comfortable.

And they live in a quiet life of desperation,

but I'm absolutely certain that there's nothing inside a human being that wants

to play small. They want to play. They want to expand.

They want to grow in all areas of life and there's a science to doing it.

And there's no reason why you can't continue to expand it.

Maybe you don't want to do an Elon Musk or something.

Maybe you'd love to raise a beautiful family in a city,

but even so you want those kids to do something amazing with their life.

You don't want them to just be a, nobody.

You want them to be somebody and what they have and do and be is,

is fulfilling to watch them expand to do it.

When you see somebody do extraordinary things,

you get inspired well that's because the part of you is wanting to do the same.

So give yourself permission to, to expand, not shrink, to radiate,

not gravitate.

And Dr. Demartini you talk about the riches within, what do you mean by that?

And how does that relate to developing a mindset for wealth?

So everybody has what is called genuine wealth and

genuine wealth can show up in any of the seven primary areas of life.

I have intellectual property.

I have knowledge that I've packaged and converted into financial wealth,

but if I didn't package it and put it into financial wealth,

it would be intellectual property. And that's a form of wealth.

It's a storage of wealth,

but it's not financial until it's packaged and converted into finances.

Some people also have business savvy and they have a massive business,

but unless they sell it, they don't have financial wealth.

Some people have a great business and then they sell it. Then they get millions.

But while they have it, it's just sitting there and it's in a business form,

when they sell it, they have financial cash.

Sometimes they have a business with financial cash, which is wise,

but some wait and they don't do anything until they ell it and they have an exit

strategy. And then they have a lot of cash.

Some people have financial wealth and they just consistently methodically build

financial wealth. Some people have relationship wealth.

If you were to go up to them and said,

'I'll give you a million dollars for your kid.' They go, 'No way',

except when they're 14 to maybe 17, 18, and you might say take them.

They won't cost anything. But at the process of doing it,

their kids they're so valuable to them, they say, 'you could pay me 10 million,

50 million. And I still wouldn't give up my kids maybe for a billion I might,

but 50 million,

no.' So they have their wealth stored in their relationship with their family.

You have others that are socially connected and know a lot of people and can

convert that and negotiate and liaison with people and do deals.

And because of who they know, he said, well, if you do business with this guy,

I want a cut. And you've got social wealth by the people, you know,

and you can do that. Some people use it as leverage.

Trump puts his name on a building and it used to go up. Not sure about now,

but it was. And so, you know, a brand name has a value.

Then you also have physical health.

You have some people that are extremely attractive.

I know a lady that would not even go out on a date unless you paid her a half a

million dollars and she got it.

Billionaires would line up to go out and date on this girl cause she was

stunning and she got have half a million dollars just go on a date.

That's not even for sex. That's not you know, a call girl.

That's not a escort or anything.

That's just a date because she valued her beauty and knew she had that power and

took advantage of it. And why not?

She made millions of dollars just going on dates. Why not?

And then for a dinner, if you get a half,

a million dollars to go to dinner with somebody, you'd probably do it.

As long as they're not psycho or something or control freaks.

You'd probably do it. I, if I thought I could put on a date,

for a half a million dollars, I'd probably go on a date too. But my,

my I think people would pay me not to go on a date probably.

But the point is that then there's also people that have spiritual wealth.

Sri Sri Ravi Shankar is a billionaire, has, you know,

The Art of Living Foundation.

He teaches spiritual principles and he has spiritual wisdom that people want.

Okay. So there's wealth in all seven areas,

but that form of wealth will not be converted into financial wealth unless you

have a higher value on financial wealth that the other ones can convert to by

asking, 'How specifically can my social connections help me be turned into

cash?'

And then when you do you create a company I helped a lady go from 45,000 to

700,000 in one year in income by converting

all of her social context,

into deal making and put together paperworks that they,

if they do deals with the people that she made contact with it,

you get to cut out of it or a percentage or a finders fee.

She never did that before. The moment she did that,

her income went from 45,000 to 700,000.

Cause she made some deals with some oil companies here in Houston and made a

fortune. So she was sitting on a goldmine didn't see it.

Everyone out there right now,

you're sitting on a gold mine and you may not be seeing it.

And it's in one of those seven or more than one of those seven areas.

I try to grow, develop them on all areas. So I empower, all of them.

So they're all into convertible into cash. And if you do,

then you can master the ability to convert those,

in my 'Where's My Billion' program,

I explained how to convert those and how to turn that into cashflow.

Cause there's a tremendous amount of intellectual

And there's a lot of assets you have sitting there,

but you may not be sitting in a way that they're turned into cashflow.

So in the Breakthrough Experience, I show you how to have the self worth,

how to dissolve the emotions, how to think by not subordinating.

So you're having you're ready in the mindset for the wealth,

but still you need to come in there and come up with a strategy, set it up,

structure it,

and make sure you look for hidden assets and convert them into real assets that

are financially viable.

Thank you for that,

Dr. Demartini and for those of you that are joining us live on this live

presentation,

I'm sure you could see Dr. Demartini can definitely help you with to help you to

see where your unique wealth is now.

I'm sure you can also see or you got a few insights with what you can

implement immediately with what you've heard today,

if you'd like to continue your studies with Dr. Demartini,

we have put together a great offer for you to be able to attend the Breakthrough

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What we've put together a Dr. Demartini, can you explain a bit more,

what they can get out of attending the Breakthrough Experience for you and who

is the Breakthrough Experience for and who is it not for?

Well, the Breakthrough Experienced you know, it's,

it's, it's what I've been. I mentioned it through the program, but,

but the Breakthrough Experience is my signature program that I've done 1,100

times now I presented it that many times and I've

done it over 31 going on 32 years now.

And it's where I basically do everything I can to help individuals

break through their psychological

boundaries that are stopping them from moving forward in the empowerment of the

seven areas of life. And I'm,

what I'm interested in doing is making sure that you don't subordinate to outer

authority so you basically become an unborrowed visionary from within.

So you know how to expand your vision,

show you how to take any emotion that you may be distracted by that's in your

amygdala, impulses,

instincts things that are infatuation, resentments, all the distractions,

pride, shame,

all the things we were talking about that undermine the mastery of life and show

you how to turn those by one method. Turn those into gratitude, love,

inspiration, enthusiasm, certainty, and presence,

which I call the six transcendental feelings that maximize

performance. I show people how to not subordinate, as I said,

and how to own the traits of the greats.

That's one of the most powerful little tools that I can give people.

I've seen people in sports and in movie in the celebrity industry,

I've seen people in business. I've seen people in wealth,

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Doing the Demartini Method allows you to dissolve baggage that you've been

carrying around about yourself or about other people that's distracting.

Cause anything you infatuate with or resent, have pride or shame about,

occupy space and time in your mind and runs you.

I show you how to dissolve that.

I show you how to set real objectives instead of fantasies for goals.

Because if you set a fantasy, you're gonna beat yourself up.

Your brain is automatically designed to self depreciate.

When you set up a fantasy and appreciate the second you set up a real objective.

What's the distinction? How do you make a difference? How do you prioritize it?

How to determine your values, how to structure your life. According to values,

how to set goals according to high values,

how to increase the probability of achievement,

how to expand space and time horizons,

how to wake up your leadership capacities,

how to build momentum in achievements.

How to basically get the executive center functioning instead of your amygdala

and how to manifest things with a formula and how to manifest things from ideas,

into thoughts, into things.

We have a new movie that's come out right now called,

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And it's. I explained the principles of that. I show how to,

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and start building that.

So you have something you're dedicated to in your life because people that are

clear in what they're committed to go farther, and it's just the,

there's the Q and A's all through it. So there's,

whatever comes up in your life. We show you how to break through that.

And it's a very powerful 24, 25 hours or so together.

Oh, on the weekend. And I, and I love doing it. I do it. I've done it,

since the coronavirus, I've done it, I think seven times now.

And I've taught a number of programs every week.

I'm doing it pretty well this week I'm in London.

Well we're doing it in that time zone or whatever.

I'll be getting up at two o'clock here in Houston to start that one.

But I'm absolutely certain that it can make a difference. And what,

what inspires me when you'll get in the, in the program online,

we're going to be interacting with you live on the program and solving problems

as we go and going and go through examples.

And you're going to see a lot by interactions with the people and my own

interactions with you. And it's,

it's just an inspiring weekend that's all I can say.

It's not for people that want a rah rah.

So if you're going to stand up on chairs and singing and go or whatever,

and rah, rah, rah, with music and stuff like that, this is not a herd,

a cattle rustling kind of thing.

This is not a rah rah feel good kind of thing. None of that.

This is a for people who want to master their life,

for people that want to go and empower the seven areas of life, it's,

it's standing on my shoulders that I've been doing for 47 going on 48 years,

48 years in November of,

of working on doing whatever I can to learn about human behavior, given to you.

And I want you, my life started out. Believe it or not,

people go, well, you know, you have a different life today.

But I actually remember a time when I used to go into diners and look

for food, sitting on people's

seats and scarfing food before they would tell me I got to leave the place.

And I noticed like saltine crackers and ketchup for dinner.

And I've lived on the streets and I've lived on an alley before.

I know what it's like to have nothing and to what to do and try to go and

panhandle for the day on the streets.

I also know what it's like to live an amazing life. And and, and,

and I'm absolutely certain that if, if I can do these things,

there's no reason why anybody else can't do it.

I didn't even have the ability to read until I was 18 years old.

So it's nothing to do with where you come from, where you're going through,

what you've been through,

what matters is are you willing to apply the principles and methodologies that

have proven themselves to work to help you expand the seven areas of life?

That's what Breakthrough is for, for people that want to break through.

That want to become leaders and self mastered individuals that don't want to go

and look for immediate gratifications and fixes and highs and,

and go for the sensationalism and be a spectator around other heroes,

collective heroes.

I want them to be the ones that are wanting to be heroes within.

That want to go out and do something and want to tackle the response.

Please be accountable be willing to learn and to find out what's really

meaningful to them and go out and do something to serve somebody.

So you have real fulfillment in life.

Pursuit of money without meaning leads to debauchery,

but with meaning it leads to philanthropy and a contribution to the planet.

And I know that deep inside of us, thousands of, millions of people,

even in prisons,

I've asked them and people want to make a difference in the world.

And there's no reason why you can't make a difference.

And the Breakthrough Experiences about that. It's about helping people,

Breakthrough, whatever they perceive,

that's in their way onto going on to do something that's meaningful to life.

I love doing it. I've been doing it. Like I say, 1,100 times.

People think I'm kind of crazy, cause I do it almost every week.

But if you saw what I saw in the programs and saw the changes in people's lives

and heard the thank you's at the end, you'd do the same thing I'd be doing.

I have, I have many, many students that have been with me for many, many years.

The one is 47 years now. And they, they,

they they'll come back to the Breakthrough Experience many times and go,

'Why'd you come back?' And said,

'Because just being around and being reminded of the principles and being

inspired by it and,

and using the method on new things that I'm now facing in my life is very

powerful.' And they just want to,

they just want to go in and they want to take their life to the next level.

I've seen people that are already extremely wealthy,

go in there and take new dimensions with it and do something more philanthropic.

I've seen people that are just starting out. They're young,

very young and wanting to get a clarity and starting out,

getting an advantage that most people don't do.

I've seen it almost every imaginable thing,

I've seen relationships that are almost on the blink,

how to finally learn how to communicate and effectively so they can salvage and

rebuild their relationship.

I've seen people that are in businesses that are sitting there under legal

issues, how to dissolve the legal issues,

because they're learning the method on how to dissolve the conflict.

And it's somehow just poofs and changes. So, I mean,

there's so many applications to what I'm going to be sharing in there.

That it's insane not to get an exposed to it.

I wish most everybody on the planet would get it.

I think you would need to be in this frigging schools. So the kids get it,

because so much information is so, Dirac, the Nobel prize winner said,

'It's not that we don't know so much. We know so much that isn't so.'

We know so much that isn't so,

and there's so many freaking false myths out there that are sold

as opium to the masses that people need to know that there's

a deeper truth, a hidden order in the apparent chaos. And that's what I'm,

I want to bring in that Breakthrough Experience.

I want people to know that that's that,

because I want them to know something magnificent.

There is a magnificence inside the world and inside you that you may not even

have gotten to know. And I know when the principles are applied,

you get to find out about it and you get to use it and you get to appreciate the

world. There's no reason why,

anything you can't say thank you for in your life is baggage.

Anything you can say, thank you for is fuel.

I got interviewed this week and somebody said,

'What are your regrets?' I don't have regrets.

Every single thing that goes in my life has been part of my mission.

And you want to be able to come from life,

the idea that you're not waking up at the end of your life with Bronnie Ware's

regrets.

So if you're willing to break through and go to another level and do something

with your life, please consider coming to Breakthrough Experience.

I want to help you do what it's done for me. So anyway,

I could go on for hours on that. Just starting to warm up on that.

Well, thank you for that,

Dr. Demartini and one of the great opportunities of what's happening globally

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those that you can attend it is a live program. So it is specific to a date,

but you can just click on the, on the time zone that will suit you.

You can come in from anywhere in the world,

and we look forward to having you on the Breakthrough Experience online.

You'll see, when you click through on the offer,

you're also going to get a 60% or close to 60% discounts on the offer.

So please go and make sure that you have a look at that and that you can join us

with a Breakthrough Experience online.

Dr. Demartini do you have any last words for us?

Yeah. First of all, thank you Emile for again, coordinating,

asking questions and things. And just,

you want to give yourself permission as a human

being to design your life, live by design,

not duty,

live by taking command of your own decisions of what you want,

because if you don't get up in the morning and dedicate your life to something

that's inspiring to you, you're going to end up being told what to do.

And there's no reason why you have to live by other people's expectations all

the time. You want to serve people,

but you want to serve the people you want to target with the things that you

love doing. There's absolutely no reason why you can't live an inspired life.

And I I'm absolutely certain that there's principles you can do it.

And I know the Breakthrough Experience can help you do it.

So please join me for that because I know I can help you do something more

amazing with your life.

My life has been so transformed by learning these principles over the last 47

years. And to me to, go to the grave and not share those would be insane.

So come join me and look forward to seeing you in,

on the line or in person wherever we happen to meet. Thank you Emile.

Thank you for that,

Dr. Demartini and for those that have joined us on this lifetime,

thank you very much for spending this hour or 45 minutes with

us. We really look forward to having you on the Breakthrough Experience online.

If you do have any further questions,

you can also go to Dr. Demartini's website, drdemartini.com.

We always have somebody online that you can interact with if you do have any

further questions,

but we really look forward to having you on the Breakthrough Experience online

and Dr. Demartini. Thank you again for your time.

Thank you. Thank you all.