- The views and opinions expressed during this podcast
are those of our guests.
No one person speaks for A.A. as a whole.
- Clinton T. Duffy served as the warden
of the San Quentin Penitentiary from 1940 to 1952.
A pioneer in prison reform,
focusing on rehabilitation instead of punishment,
Duffy was one of the first to introduce
Alcoholics Anonymous behind prison walls.
Even in those early years,
Duffy noticed how many men were coming to his prison
as a direct result of their drinking.
Becoming convinced of the potential benefits of A.A.,
he recognized the necessity
of bringing in outside A.A. members
who could share their own recovery
to the men behind the walls.
He was the very first to do so.
Here is Duffy speaking at the 1950 International Convention,
telling the story of the first outside A.A. member
who came to San Quentin.
- I'll never forget his opening remarks.
"Fellows," he said, looking over the stiff audience,
"before we start talking about Alcoholics Anonymous,
I have a confession to make.
I want to tell you,
but for the grace of a power greater than myself,
I would be sitting out there with you today,
listening to someone else make this speech.
For you see, I am an alcoholic, just like you.
I'm one of the guys who knows what it's like
to go through those blackout spells
where you can't remember where you've been
or what happened when you got there.
There's been a lot of mornings
when you could have told me I killed or robbed someone
and I would have had to take your word for it.
There have been plenty of times on the day after a spree
that I've answered my doorbell
expecting a policeman to be there.
Maybe there should have been one
because there are plenty of nights
that I don't remember what happened.
Alcoholics Anonymous deserves full credit
for the difference from the way
you entered those front gates
and the circumstances under which I came through them today.
Alcoholics Anonymous is the only thing
that makes it possible for me to leave again this afternoon
when the meeting is over."
- Duffy went on to say
that those who participated in A.A. while in prison
were more than three times as likely
to make a success of parole
than the man who avoided the program.
Despite this stat,
our primary purpose of delivering the A.A. message
into correctional institutions
proves to be a challenge time and again.
But since Duffy introduced A.A. Behind the Walls,
we've yet to be deterred.
My name is Nathan, and I'm an alcoholic.
Welcome to GSO.
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I sat down with Eileen, the Corrections Staff Coordinator,
to discuss how her experience in the position had been,
and how the General Service Office,
along with countless trusted servants,
carry the message of A.A. to the persons inside
and released from custody.
Hi, Eileen.
- Hi, Nathan.
- Thanks for joining us.
- Thanks for having me.
- You were hired in 2022.
- Yeah.
- And they immediately put you on the corrections desk.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
And the correspondence you have with persons in custody,
these are letters.
- Yeah.
Yeah, we get anywhere from 80 to 100 a week that we read,
and we respond to.
And we meet the need, whether they want literature,
whether they want a service we provide,
the Corrections Correspondence Service.
- Yeah, what's that?
- So the Corrections Correspondence Service
is a service where we match
an inside member, outside member, and they correspond.
So I think, in 2023, we've matched 3,500 pairs.
- Wow.
- So it's a huge service that we offer.
And what it helps to provide
is that personal support for a member in custody,
who, especially now after COVID,
many facilities don't have staff.
So there's not a lot of volunteer activities going on
where people come in and bring meetings.
And so this gives that person in custody an opportunity
to have contact with an A.A. member on a more regular basis.
- Could anyone get involved
with the Corrections Correspondence Service?
- Yes. Any outside member can write to us.
There's a signup sheet on the website, AA.org.
If you go to Corrections Committee,
there's all sorts of information on correction service work,
and there's a CCS signup form.
- And now what about the Pre-Release Contact Service?
What's that?
- Yeah, that service is a little different
because we provide it as well as local areas.
So the pre-release is when a person's
gonna come out of custody;
we try to match them with a member outside
who's gonna take them to their first meeting.
We want to meet them and take them to their first meeting
and be that contact for them.
- On this desk you're in contact
with persons in custody a lot,
but then also you have a lot of correspondence
with trusted servants.
- Mm-hmm. Yeah.
- What is it like to be immediately working
with trusted servants?
- They are so passionate.
It's an interesting service position
because often the facility requires
a relationship with that A.A. member.
So you're going to have a longer
relationship with the correctional facility,
and people don't rotate like we usually do in A.A.
And I feel like I share all the time
that I have been spiritually rearranged
by working on this desk.
It is like nothing I've ever experienced as an A.A. member,
when you talk to people who are in custody
who are grateful for a "Grapevine," for the preamble,
for contact, and for a piece of literature,
and I realize how much I took for granted.
And these members, when you get that feeling
of what it's like to give that,
that's the magic of A.A., right?
This is our purpose.
We get sober to help others.
So when you find something that hits that so deeply,
it's no wonder there's a lot of passion.
And so a lot of the correspondence are...
A lot of them are just from members
who wanna bring a meeting to a facility.
We say, "Okay, let's connect you
to the area committee chair, the district committee chair,
so we can all connect in a way that's
we're not just showing up at a correction facility door."
Although I'm sure that sometimes happens, too.
The pioneering of A.A. is still going on.
We still have so much work to do
as far as getting the message out.
- What kind of requests do you receive directly
from persons in custody?
- So we get requests on what the Fellowship is asking for
and trusted servants in Corrections
that we're asking for information on online meetings,
facilitating online meetings in prisons and jails.
The people inside are in a room; they're in the meeting,
and it's just like you would imagine
an online meeting that we attend.
And the people on the inside
are the ones facilitating the meeting.
They're leading; they're reading how it works.
It's literally an A.A. meeting, just like you would imagine.
So what we've done on the desk, what we often do,
is we'll reach out to the Fellowship
and say, Please share your experience
with facilitating online meetings
or any experience you've had."
A service piece we're working on
is a way to communicate this service to the Fellowship.
We have shared experience from the members
who benefit from this service,
and they said, "Whatever you do,
you need to get these stories out."
So that's our work.
- So, correspondence, meetings.
I wanna talk about literature, too.
But what about sponsorship?
- The other thing that we worked hard on
was the inside sponsorship.
In order to serve a member, you have literature,
you have meetings, but you have sponsorship.
And often when committees bring a meeting into a facility,
you cannot have personal contact with those members inside,
so you can't sponsor.
So inside visitation allows the A.A. member to get on
the person in custody's visitation list
and have one-on-one meetings,
and then sponsorship can emerge.
And that's another new way of serving the people in custody
so people can contact the corrections desk,
and we can put you in contact with members
serving in that way.
- Getting literature into correctional facilities
is always a big challenge.
You have certain requirements,
usually no staples, no hard covers.
But still, when you follow all those protocols,
a lot of the time it'll still get denied.
So I've heard about these tablet programs in jails
and prisons.
The folks who are incarcerated are able to access emails,
books, music, other media.
How does A.A. fit in?
- We're able to have contracts with the vendors
who supply information on those tablets.
So we have so many pieces of literature,
and we also have audiobooks.
And we just did the "Daily Reflection" in audiobook,
and, like, I think there's thousands of people
who have already downloaded that
within, like, a very short amount of time.
So it's been an amazing opportunity to provide the message
of A.A. to people who sometimes don't get mail physically.
It is one of hopefully many services we can provide,
and that can only help for people who are in custody.
- Do you have an estimate of how many tablets
are in correctional facilities?
- Over 400,000 and I know that we had literature
in about 340 prisons in a year.
- Has there been any big surprises
while working on the Corrections desk?
- So it's changed my perspective
and my respect for just the people.
They're people who do their time; they come out,
and then we get busy just treating them like A.A. members.
- I can see behind your desk
there's this very powerful photograph.
It's a group of men, but I can't see who they are
because each person is holding up a copy of the "Grapevine"
in front of their face.
- It's a picture of a group
in the Angola prison in Louisiana.
The group is called The Last Supper,
and it is a group of people on death row,
and they meet feet from where they're gonna be executed,
and they carry the message of Alcoholics Anonymous
a day at a time and stay sober.
- Thanks for joining us.
- Thanks so much for having me.
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"Sharing from Behind the Walls,"
please visit our website, aa.org.
If you are interested in getting involved
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can also be found on our website
along with all kinds of helpful information.
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please visit our website at aa.org.
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please visit aagrapevine.org
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check out the AA Near You finder on our homepage, at aa.org.
- We've heard about how folks in the General Service Office
try to support the dedicated A.A. members
who carry the message of hope and recovery
to those on the inside of correctional facilities.
But what is like to get sober when you're locked up?
We had a chance to sit down with one member
who agreed to tell us their story.
- Hi, my name is Tabber.
I'm an alcoholic.
I've been sober since January 28th, 2013.
I got sober a few days before I went into prison.
I had been to A.A. prior for about six months,
but I relapsed.
And then just before I went in,
I had this thought that drinking
or using drugs is not going to help me in prison.
So I went into prison as a result of drinking
and driving during a blackout and hitting this person.
And I ended up going to prison for three years
and three months.
They didn't have A.A., and they didn't have an alcohol
and substance abuse treatment program.
And I lobbied for both.
And two volunteers who had combined
over 60 years of sobriety began coming once a week
to that prison to bring meetings to us.
- What was that like, trying to stay sober in prison?
- Prison is awful.
Some people have tools to survive; some people don't.
So being in prison was extremely challenging.
But gaining access to A.A.,
I was able to get a benefit of having A.A. in prison
with these volunteers that, again, you know,
went to great lengths to be there,
to volunteer to drive in.
People think that when you're in prison,
you don't have access to alcohol and drugs,
but that's not true.
In prison, there's lots of supply of drugs
and alcohol if you really want it.
- So how did you get help?
- With A.A. there and having these volunteers coming in
and hearing their stories
and having them relate to us their journey,
their way of overcoming their own addiction,
and sharing with them our stories and our struggles,
I think really helped us tremendously.
I also availed myself of the program where you can write
and request having a pen pal through A.A.,
- You mean the Corrections Correspondence program?
- Absolutely, yes.
So, I would write letters to this person,
and they would write back to me
about once every couple months.
And that was very helpful as well.
And that was through A.A.
The relationship was extremely helpful to me
because I built a connection to people.
And by having that Fellowship in that meeting in prison,
it was almost like for a little bit
each time we had that meeting, not being in prison.
And so it made it actually easier overall.
It felt a little bit more human again.
It felt like we were a little bit freer in some ways.
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One of the things that people in my situation are faced with
are these parole hearings
where you're judged over and over again
based on something that you cannot change.
So one of the things that you can do
to show evidence of your change
is not just in words but in actions.
So going to A.A., committing to doing that,
learning from the volunteers,
the communications with people on the outside,
it shows that you have a connection to the community.
And I think that that all helps you
to show to the parole board that you deserve
a fair chance at success in the community outside of prison.
It also laid the groundwork when I got out of prison
for me to be a success out in the community
when I returned home.
- So what was it like when you returned home?
- So when I was released from prison,
I had lost all my money.
I had a property bag that I was carrying around,
and I didn't have a stable place to live
for quite some time.
But what I did have was A.A.
I met other people in the program
who gave me hope, you know?
I completed the 12 steps, and I actually apologized
to the person that I hurt drinking and driving in person.
I was able to apologize to him
and make amends to him in person,
which was a very powerful experience,
only because, I think, of A.A. and my sober way of living.
I was told by my sponsor when I got home
that I should basically say yes to everything,
within reason, but everything within A.A.
So anytime someone asked me,
even if I thought initially it was at a bad time,
I found ways to schedule around it
and to speak about my story.
And I started speaking on DWI victim impact panels
at hospitals and schools
and rehab facilities, co-chairing meetings.
Set up before and after.
Put away chairs, man, you know?
- What would you say to anyone listening
who's struggled with drinking that's now in jail or prison?
- You are not alone.
You are not alone.
There are people in A.A., people who are sober,
that will connect with you.
And you may need to reach out to them,
but I would highly encourage doing that.
I'd highly encourage going to A.A. meetings in prison.
It's a fantastic way to set yourself up
for greater success when you come back home.
I would encourage people that are in A.A.
to think about bringing meetings to prisons
or jails where they can, if that's a possibility for them.
If not, to volunteer with GSO
to be people that can be reached out to in a confidential,
anonymous kind of way.
And also contributing funds
where it helps to spread literature
and send literature to people in prison.
People in prison are people.
Let's not judge people based solely on
the very worst thing that they've ever done in life.
Just like you are not the worst thing
that you've done in life.
And so I believe that if we show love and compassion
and support and connection with A.A.,
I think it could be a huge benefit to people.
And to people on the outside, based on my own experience.
I think being of service
is a way to get you outside of your own head,
is a way for you to live a better life,
and this new way of living is really one
where you can connect with people,
and that's really what it's all about I think.
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Last names are shared only for those who are not in A.A.
Thank you for listening to "Our Primary Purpose,"
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on behalf of the Fellowship of Alcoholics Anonymous
in the U.S. and Canada.