Today we are joined by husband, father, former army captain, co creator of Confluence, producer of the End of COVID series, creator and host of the Way Forward podcast and platform, best known as a failed handball professional.

Welcome.

Welcome back for the live.

Alex, you ain't lying.

Yeah, that is true.

Welcome back, bro.

Good to be back.

Yeah.

Dude, I've been looking at my bio.

Like, when?

This is the third time in the last two weeks that someone's read it to me for something that I've done.

I'm just like.

It makes me want to throw up.

Why?

I don't know, man.

Just like listing all.

I don't know, it's just like trying to bolster up a reputation or something.

It just seems very.

Okay, you have an opportunity right now.

What is your new bio?

Let the audience know.

What do you want them to know about you?

I'm a dude who is shocked that I've end up here and grateful.

Yeah, that's it.

That's amazing.

By the way, I wrote that bio.

I didn't get it from any particular source where Alec had listed all his achievements.

Yeah, well.

Well, listen, I want to ask you this question.

So for the last, like, I would say like five years, you've been a.

A loyal foot soldier of the Illuminati, but you just turned 33 years old and, you know, you've been crowned and appointed with a new position.

So can you let us.

Can you talk about that?

Yeah, man.

So my birthday party was at a secret location yesterday.

Bill Clinton was there.

Hillary Clinton Epstein is alive.

I can confirm that he was there too.

He's doing the typical ritual stuff that we like to do on a 33rd birthday.

Surprisingly, Justin Bieber was the keynote speaker last night and he had a lot to say about when he was younger, man.

It was.

It was a really cool experience.

And why was Diddy acquitted, bro?

Diddy was acquitted because he's actually like, just gay and all the politicians are gay and they don't.

I feel like this is too dark now.

I'm not.

All right, back to original programming.

Oh, man.

For real, though, man, I just, like, for real, just.

I want to give a shout out to you.

I appreciate you, man.

So much love.

So much respect for who you are, how you stand up in the world, what you've built, what you've created, the community around you.

And, you know, we're grateful to know you and, you know, grateful to have been a part of Confluence and.

And yeah, man, just really appreciate you and excited to see where things go for you in the future.

You have a beautiful family and.

Yeah, man, it's.

It's amazing.

Like I said to you on your birthday, it's amazing to kind of share space in this world with you and to know you and.

I love you, bro.

I love you, too.

Yeah, man, I. I love you guys so much.

I consider you both dear friends.

In all seriousness, though, I am so grateful and blessed to be 33, thriving husband, father of three beautiful children, doing what I love to do and providing for my family in the process.

I don't know of anything better than that, really.

You know, like, that's.

That's the epitome of success, in my opinion.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's.

It's incredible.

It's.

I feel very fulfilled, very grateful.

Yeah.

How you guys going navigating the three of them now?

Yeah, the adjustment from two to three is exceptional, but it's also coming at a time when we're just coming off of Confluence and all the stuff that goes into Confluence and planning that.

It's.

It's a lot.

It's.

It's a ton of work in addition to Kylie's in homeopathy school right now, so balancing that out.

And then we just moved from our old house, put it on the market, sold it, and then moved into a new house and had a very tight window to move right after Confluence.

So, yeah, like, it was a lot to adjust, but it's also beautiful.

It's.

It's brings an element of chaos into our home.

And it's a beautiful mirror for us, Kylie and I, to have to.

Or to learn to be okay despite external circumstances, learn to regulate in the face of more chaos, more messes and things like this.

And that's a huge challenge for me.

And I don't know if this is my military programming or the result of growing up with a pretty authoritarian father.

Like, I.

My physical space, the cleanliness of it, is paramount to me.

Like, I. I have to have cleanliness around me.

Otherwise I feel like my mind feels a little bit messy.

So I'm learning to have a clear mind, to be still, to not feel tense despite messes all around me.

Like, 24, seven right now.

And we've had family visiting from Italy over the last two and a half weeks.

Kylie's sister, they have six kids, so we've had nine kids in our house for the last two weeks, and that's been chaos.

But it's.

It's always a beautiful opportunity to, like, make sure no matter what's going on externally, you can feel present and centered internally.

And you got to feel those feelings too.

Like I will say, since having a third.

And again, I don't know if it's a function of all the things that have been occurring all at the same time, because for most people, just a new baby would be enough to send them, you know, spiraling, even if it's just their first.

Right.

Let alone a third, let alone a festival.

I forgot.

I, like, almost fractured my ankle and like, my ankle was purple and massively swollen just before confluence, all those things.

And yeah, it's just, it's just a beautiful opportunity to get still and get present.

Yeah.

In the face of all of it.

But yeah.

Yeah, man.

Bro, what.

What role does purpose play in your life?

What do you mean by that?

I mean, like, we have.

You have all these beautiful things, family, etc, but like, what role does have?

What role does having, like a clear path forward in terms of I know who I am, I know what I'm building, I know what I'm creating.

There's an objective that's kind of driving the trajectory of my life.

What role does that play?

Yeah, clear.

Way forward, bro.

Yeah.

I would say at this point in time, relative to other points in my life, that purpose plays a very big role.

I feel very driven with the mission that we have with the Way Forward, to bring that into reality and bring that to people who need to hear it and help get people who are more on the voluntarist, natural health side of things together in community, locally, in person.

Like, that's, that's a huge purpose of mine.

I feel like I'm very driven by that purpose.

And that's like, I mean, you see it on my social media.

That's like all I share about now.

I mean, I'll share about things that are going on in the world, but it's ultimately to use that as an example for why we need together in person, in community, get together, form local groups, local connections.

Like, we need that at this point in time.

We need that decentralized way of organizing in order to make the old paradigms obsolete.

I just think it's.

It's paramount.

So I feel very driven by that purpose with our organization.

The Way Forward right now.

I don't know if that answers your question, Joel, but, like, it plays a significant role right now.

Yeah.

Cool.

Do you want to speak into, if you had the floor right now, what is the greater vision of the Way Forward?

You touched on a little bit there, but to zoom in a little deeper, you know, what is your ultimate vision here?

Yeah, man, this Is this is something I've been forming over the course of the last like really three to four years.

So I'll just back up and say back in late 2021, about a year into Health Freedom for Humanity, I saw a need to help people find each other locally.

So that's when I started coming up with the idea for what we have now, which is the ability to type in your zip or postal code, set a geolocation, no matter where you are in the world, and easily find like minded people near you, health and freedom oriented businesses near you, which includes practitioners, farms, alternative schools, et cetera, et cetera.

Basically like anything, anyone who's on the same page as us, who just gets it, whatever, this cross section of Truth Health Freedom Consciousness is basically being the hub for that, to help people form local connections based on those things, right?

And it's taken three years to bring that vision into reality through like a series of road bumps and blocks in various ways and different web teams we've had to work with and website attacks and just a bunch of stuff.

And the ultimate vision though that I have for the way forward is that no matter where you go across the world, if you move somewhere or if you're just visiting somewhere, you can type in your zipper postal code and instantly find all of the people in our community, so to speak, that are in that area.

All of the farms, all the raw milk farms, all of the permaculture display sites, all the permaculture farms, all of the farms you can buy directly from that are doing grass fed, grass, finished beef, et cetera, et cetera, all of the alternative schools in that area that are like truly alternative because a lot of the Waldorf and Montessori schools were pushing a lot of the measures during COVID which fly in the face of what Montessori in Waldorf is supposed to be.

But like the truly like minded ones, all of the practitioners that are on the same page as us, you can instantly plug into that and you're like in, in your area.

And then as, as we notice a large amount of people and we're already seeing trends in this direction.

For example, in the Austin area we see a lot of people on our platform.

In the really central Texas area, on the east coast of Australia, we're getting more and more people on our platform in Southern California and in Northern California we're getting more and more people on our platform in the northeastern part of the United States, really in the, in like the Massachusetts area, maybe parts of the New York area as well.

We're getting a lot of people.

And what we ultimately want to do is then start literal the Way forward centers in those places.

We don't know what to call them yet.

And we don't have like a formulated plan for this yet.

We're still developing it, but we want to start literal community centers in that area.

That is a play on the traditional community center where on a, on a daily basis there are yoga classes, movement classes, workshops on a variety of topic.

Maybe if there's enough appeal for this, a homeschooling hub, like a homeschool co op operating out of there.

Maybe a permaculture design display site with also a certified like permaculture designer that can work out of there.

And people can consult with also a biofield tuning practitioner, a mile field myofascial release therapist, a Germany medicine practitioner, a homeopath operating out of there.

And then on a weekly basis, kind of like evangelical churches do what, what I would like to do ultimately.

I don't know if you guys have ever heard of like Life Church or Hillsong Church.

These big mega churches that have multiple campuses and they'll have their local pastor deliver a sermon, right?

But then the main pastor of Hillsong Church will be at one of the campuses and deliver a sermon that is then broadcasted to all the other campuses.

Or if you don't show up to a physical in person campus, you can view it online.

So what we would like to do is like have local people at that specific community center share, you know, whatever they're working on, whether it's a presentation on human design or something like Germany medicine or another framework for cancer or something to do with terrain theory or some consciousness related topic.

And then we fly out Dr. Gerald Pollock to the, to the Wisconsin location and he's the keynote speaker for that week that delivers a message based on his topic that is then broadcasted to all the other community centers across the world and to anyone who is a member of the Way Forward.

And it's just a way to continue to cultivate in person community sort of these nodal points across the world of coherence, of health, of freedom and a place for people to congregate and gather.

And then people who have local products that they're making or selling local foods.

There could be a little small marketplace inside.

And this is like a really big vision.

It would take a lot of infrastructure to do it.

But I feel so called to do it.

I mean, you guys get it.

You've been to Confluence and Music and sky, like those gatherings are life changing.

What if we had the opportunity to do that locally as much as we wanted to?

And I'm not saying that we need to be doing gatherings like that, to that level on a consistent basis, but just being a, like, like what you do your Osmos and Topanga with just the gatherings that you and Sophie held on a consistent basis, how fulfilling was that?

How validating was that?

How much ease did that bring to your nervous system knowing you had your people around you?

No matter what happens in California, you're going to be good.

Right?

Like, no matter what.

Right.

It's so, it's so validating and it's, it's, it helps, it helps actualize some of these abstract ideas regarding voluntarism, regarding health that we, that are sort of conceptual at this point.

It helps bring them into actuality.

But it also is so incredibly validating that, oh, this is a legitimate path.

It doesn't matter what the mainstream is doing.

I can continue diving deep, authentically into this paradigm because this feels right.

This just feels right in here.

And when you have other people around you who are on the same path, it's just even more validating and you double down on that and then you begin actually bringing into being the new paradigms that we want to create.

And I'm not saying that my ideas for how people should locally gather are the ideas like what we want to be with.

The Way Forward is just the platform to facilitate the local connections.

And then the, the needs of someone or a group of people in Southern California are going to be completely different than the needs and wants of a group, say, in Mississippi.

That's just how it is.

And we don't want to be the dictatorial entity that's like, you will adhere to the Way Forward standards on all these things.

No, we just want to be the platform for people who are health and freedom oriented, typically leaning more towards voluntarist.

But we're not going to be exclusive.

We're like, you're a conservative.

No, you're not going to be a part of this.

Or you're more liberal, but you're opposed to X, Y and Z things that we also agree with.

You're not going to be a part of this.

That's not, that's not the message.

We're going to continue from the Way Forward platform to share a voluntarious message, because I personally think that that's the most appropriate political framework, if you want to call it that.

But we just want to be the hub to facilitate these connections, to make it incredibly easy and it is like, it's, it's so cool.

You've already had multiple people message us.

Like, one of our members who just joined in the last month in Georgia found a practitioner on our platform and he's now working with that practitioner and he's getting amazing health results.

And he reached out to us and he's like, dude, this is so incredible.

I've already had multiple people find their friends locally.

It's, that's, that's what we need, dude.

We put out a poll, I put out a poll on multiple social media channels basically saying you found your health and freedom community online.

Are you struggling to find your health and freedom community in person?

I think again, Austin, we're in a unique situation.

I would imagine the same thing for San Miguel and probably where you are in Topanga.

You've already found a lot of your like minded people and that's awesome.

But what was so shocking to me when putting out these polls on x Telegram Instagram, 95 of people said they're still struggling to find their health and freedom community in person.

It's true.

So then what happens, right?

Like when, when you don't feel validated in your physical reality, you automatically turn to this again.

This, this, this is, this is my community right here.

And I'm just staring at this because this is where I feel validation.

This is where I feel validation.

But it's not a replacement for real life.

It will never replace real life.

It definitely won't, man.

I mean, listen, it's great that we've created online communities.

You've created such a massive community for people to come together.

But like you said, music in Sky, Confluence, any other events that are similar to that, there is no replacement to.

When I see you or I see Joel in person and I give you guys a huge big hug and we're sitting there and we're in each other's field and we're laughing and, and we're talking smack to each other, but there's so much physical contact.

It's like we need the physical touch, you know, it's not a luxury, it's a necessity.

I mean, my wife did her whole dissertation on touch.

And so it's like, like you can't.

There's no replacement for like, the thing is, like you said, people are then what, touching their phones all the time.

Yeah, it's this, man.

And like, don't get me wrong, that's how I found you guys.

It's incredible that we found each other via these things.

But then if you're exclusively doing this as a means to connect with, quote, community that is like minded.

You're just falling into the perpetual trap of not forming actual community in the real world.

That is how we actualize solutions that make these systems and paradigms obsolete.

It starts with real world connection.

And the real change happens at the micro level, happens with the individual first, then coming together in community and spreading out that way, as opposed to, you know, one person making a decision for how everyone should act in a state, in a country, or whatever the case may be.

And so, yeah, man, I'm always an advocate of people finding, finding the others, finding your people and, and doing your thing and being focused on that instead of being focused on everything else that's serving as a distraction.

And sure, you can go to your phone to have community, but how many other things are there pulling on your attention, dude, that in a grand scheme of things, probably shouldn't be things you're giving energy to.

Yeah, I'm still guilty of that myself too.

Like such a, it's such a weird thing even say for me when it comes to, like, commentary on political things, I will be totally transparent and say there's a piece of me with this Epstein situation that wants to be like, I told you, I told you people, I told you, like, it's been obvious from the get go regarding Trump.

And then another piece of me is like, dude, you've been scrolling on Twitter for 30 minutes.

You were scrolling on Twitter for 30 minutes, like two hours ago, looking at what people are saying.

You are now giving your power in attention to Trump.

You are now putting Trump's power on a pedestal.

You know what I mean?

And it's like, it's such a delicate balance.

I'll speak for myself between using these examples, just as I use what virologists say or what Fauci would have said in order to use it as an example, to show why it's absolute nonsense.

Right?

But then also feeding that same paradigm and also like then being glued into this because I'm like, oh my God, look at how, look at how distract.

Look at how distracted and how much people's attention are caught up by this mess.

And now my.

I'm being distracted and my attention is being pulled into this too.

Yeah, let me ask you this, man, because we've had this conversation before and this is something I talk about often.

I know we have this idea of certainty and that there's so many things that we can't be certain of, and yet often we fall into the trap of, like, thinking that we're certain about certain things.

So I don't need to get into details, but, like, even with this whole Epstein thing, there's outrageous things happening.

Trump's saying this and that, but, like, us normal people that aren't on the inside and who knows?

Like, we don't really freaking know what the heck is happening on a geopolitical level on all these things.

And yet this need for certainty, this need to pronounce what is happening and what's going on, and I'm right.

Like, I feel like we need to check ourselves because we don't really know.

And so when we, when we approach things from a certainty place, that's like the signpost.

And I'm not saying we can't be certain about anything, but with some of these matters, like, it's just like, I like to approach them as best as I can with, like, this deep curiosity.

And just like, that's interesting.

Well, that's, that's what he said now, like, as opposed to, like, proclaiming, like, I have the answer and I have the truth now, and this is exactly what's happening.

That's just my opinion on that.

Feel free to share your thoughts.

Yeah, I think, for example, like, my, my comment, I agree with you.

100.

100.

And my.

100%.

100% agree with me.

Are you, are you 100 certain?

All right, 94.

94.

Perfect.

But I agree with you.

I do agree with you.

And my commentary related to, for example, Trump is also stemming from seeing people who would ostensibly be in the same camp as me put Trump on a pedestal where he can do no wrong and is really taking on the characteristics, whether it's Trump initiating this or someone else.

I tend to think it's Trump initiating it by some of the words and things that he says and people in his cabinet sort of playing on that savior archetype, but putting him in this position where he can do no wrong and outsourcing so much power and authority to him.

And for me, like, I, I like to look at the factual, publicly available information.

Now, to be clear, could there be more going on?

Is there more going on behind the scenes?

Just based on my own direct experience when it comes to military things, and I had, I never had a secret or top secret clearance or anything above that.

I had just a normal security clearance in the military.

I don't even remember what it's called.

What's your, what's your clearance in the Illuminati, though?

Above Top secret.

But in, in all seriousness, just what I witnessed doing like we, we would do what's called WARF fighter exercises where we would simulate going to war with, for example, North Korea.

Right.

And just in my field of awareness, in my little silo, I was in working, I think at this time I was an assistant operations officer.

I don't remember exactly what my position was, but whatever.

And we were literally simulating going to war with North Korea because the unit that I was stationed with, 1st Brigade, 1st infantry to Division, I was with 116 infantry, but I was working on a division level operation in the.

I think it was called the talk.

It's.

So I was just talking to Kylie about this yesterday.

I like did a brain dump when I got out of the army because I also spent two out of my last three years in the army playing a sport.

So some of these terms I don't remember.

But nonetheless, like, I'm in this big division level tent, which is a, like very high level tent within a unit, and we're simulating going to war with North Korea because that was in roughly 2017 when we.

There's a lot of tension between the US and North Korea.

The reason I bring this up is because I would see what the mainstream media was saying about things and know internally in various ways they were either exaggerating things or manipulating things on both sides based on the information we were receiving regarding North Korea.

Does that make sense?

So that leads me to believe that there are things happening behind the scenes that the public has no clue about.

And with that being said, when I look at the history, especially of like the Soviet Union with psychological, psychological operations, I forget the exact operation that was employed during Soviet Russia that was very similar to what Q is claimed to be, right?

And so many people sort of falling into that trap and like another conversation could be had, like, why do you feel the need to publicly comment on that anyway?

That's their path.

They need to, you know, learn themselves, right.

And like, there's, there's validity in that.

And I also am going to comment on what I feel desired to comment on based on my perspective, right?

Because I've formed a perspective and I am simply commenting based on my own perspective and what I see.

Right.

And I, and I choose sometimes to comment, sometimes I don't now, regarding the certainty of what's happening behind the scenes with like Epstein or anything like that.

I like to look at the publicly available information that is factually accurate with respect to what Trump has and has not done, has and has not said.

And when we simply look at that he initiated Operation Warp Speed.

He signed the CARES act, resulting in the largest transfer of wealth to the 1% in modern history.

He repeatedly encouraged people to get the vaccine, praise the vaccine, over and over again.

Called himself the father of the vaccine.

He is one of the he, he, through multiple executive orders, helped expedite the rollout of 5G millimeter wave technology and infrastructure across the United States.

The list goes on and on.

For example, he nominated Scott Gottlieb as FDA Commissioner.

When Scott Gottlieb was serving as FDA commissioner, he expedited the approval process of experimental drugs.

Scott Gottlieb then leaves the fda, joins Pfizer, where Pfizer has, through Operation Warp Speed, an experimental drug approved or expedited in its approval process.

He talked about taking guns first and then handling due process second, which flies in the face of the Constitution like, the point is based on his actual actions, they are not in line with what people are claiming that he is doing and they're not in alignment with my values and my principles.

So given that ostensibly these other people are professing to be in alignment with those values and principles related to freedom, non aggression, etc.

Etc.

I like to call out the contradiction in that in an attempt to hopefully help people see it a different way.

But am I certain of what's going on behind the scenes?

No.

But the slippery slope of that, when you again, look at the public, easily identifiable actions of someone like Trump, the slippery slope is then, oh, there's an operation of white hats behind the scenes who are initiating things unbeknownst to us and we just need to trust the plan.

And like, very few people can say, okay, maybe that's true and I'm going to pretend it's not, so that I'm not outsourcing my power and continuing to grow, cultivate freedom, resiliency, awareness, health, et cetera, et cetera, internally expanding outward.

Very few people can hold both of those things.

Very few.

I have a couple of friends who admittedly believe in Q and also are like, but I'm not hanging my hat up on that.

Most of the people I see hang their hat up on that and are continuing to outsource their power.

And then what I'm coming to believe based on my own experience and exploration about water, per.

Let's say it like this.

Water permeating all facets of reality, right?

Water permeates all facets of reality.

If Veda Austin's work and the Maharishi Effect, which is a well documented phenomenon, and also mass psychogenic illness, like Daniel Reuters talks about, are any indication of our inherent power as human beings, unbeknownst to us of just our perpetual thought energy oriented towards something that would then lead me to believe that when a lot of people are focusing their thought energy on Trump, outsourcing their power to them, that is then giving him more power, and it's sucking the power away from them to bring, you know, what they want into their own lives.

Does that make sense?

Yeah, it does make sense.

I mean, I. I agree in the sense that people should not be outsourcing their power and wasting all their time diving down every single rabbit hole related to politicians and what's going on when most of that doesn't really impact their day to day.

And what they really, if you really ask them deep down, they want to accomplish and what they want to experience in their life.

So it serves as a major distraction.

And I do agree that it's rare for people to stand between the tension of opposites and live that way and.

And, you know, maybe be open to one thing and then at the same time, like, continue to live on purpose and live with intention.

And so what is it.

What does it mean to outsource one's power?

Like we say this term so often, we throw it around.

Let's kind of have a general discussion.

What does it mean?

What does it look like when someone's outsourcing their power?

Okay, that can be done in multiple ways.

Right.

So when it comes to outsourcing power metaphysically, and this is like, not gonna be an exhaustive list, but I've.

I've thought about this quite a bit.

So being more specific regarding Veda, Austin's work.

So Veda.

Have you guys had Veda on?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay, so you've had Veda on.

But for.

For those who are unfamiliar with Veda's work, Veda is basically expanding on the work of Dr. Masara Moto and demonstrating, I would say, fairly conclusively that water is impacted in its physical orientation by everything metaphysically and physically in its environment.

And what I mean by that is that Veda will take a petri dish of water, expose it to a written word, a picture, a song, a feeling, a thought, a.

Have someone 4,000 miles away set the intention of projecting what they're thinking onto the water that Veda is holding, set it next to her bedside when she's dreaming, um, expose water to literally anything, and water will change its physical.

Did I freeze?

Yeah.

You've been freezing a little bit.

Yeah.

The camera's got.

The camera's been going in and out.

Your audio is fine, but you've been freezing video wise here.

I can do this.

Do you want me to switch cameras?

Sure, yeah, let's just do that.

Or I could.

I don't want to have to send you guys the camera stuff afterwards.

I don't know if it was an Internet thing.

No, it's.

It's.

This is this camera.

So that would.

That would have been a good reel.

Which one?

The vid.

Austin one.

I can restart it.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

Then we'll.

Yeah.

Is that better?

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

All right.

It's not gonna be as clear.

Well, no, it's fine.

It's.

It's a different framing, but it's.

It's all good.

One second.

All right, cool.

Okay, let me back up.

So I've thought about this quite a bit when it comes to, like, what does it mean actually to outsource your power?

So going back to what I was saying and being more specific regarding Veda Austin and her work, she's basically expanded on the work of Dr. Masaru Moto and made it accessible to lay people.

What I mean by that is Beta is demonstrating, I would say, pretty conclusively that water is impacted in terms of its physical orientation based on what it was exposed to in its environment.

And of course people would say, okay, that makes like, duh, you put chemicals inside of water, of course it's going to impact it.

And that's not what I mean.

I'm saying water alone, without being physically touched by something, is impacted by things in its environment, both metaphysically and physically.

So being more specific, she'll take water in a petri dish and set it on top of a written word in any language or a picture.

Or have water sitting next to a song playing, or focus her thoughts and feelings and direct it towards water, or maybe even not direct it towards water.

Just have it sitting next to her.

Or set it next to her bedside at night while she's dreaming.

Or have someone 4,000 miles away set the intention of taking what they're thinking about and projecting it onto the water that Veda is sitting with.

She then freezes it using this unique freezing method.

And visible to the naked eye in the water repeatedly.

And other people repeat her process across the world are is basically water's own artistic representation of what it was just exposed to.

And then she also has this subcategory which are called hydroglyphs, which is where, let's say she writes the word gratitude, or there's a picture that represents gratitude, or she Herself is feeling very grateful.

Or it's a song that's about gratitude or something like this, right?

Sets water next to it.

Water will reflect back the same symbol repeatedly related to gratitude.

So she's identified, I think, 60.

Don't quote me on that.

Hydroglyphs, which is where water has its own symbol for that specific thing.

So where my mind goes.

And I'm not.

I'm not claiming with 100% certainty that this is correct.

Although, again, we could talk about the Maharishi effect.

We could also.

Also talk about mass psychogenic illness, mass social contagion.

I have some incredible examples of both of those things that I'd love to bring up as well.

But where my mind goes is that given we are comprised largely of water, 70% by volume, 99% water, molecularly given water permeates all facets of this reality.

At the very least, other biological beings, other human beings, et cetera, et cetera.

Given that water, per Veda's work, per Masara Mota's work, and the work of other people is tremendously impacted by our perpetual thoughts and feelings, is it possible that when an individual, and more importantly a collective of people orient their thought energy towards one specific thing, that they are then giving rise to that thing occurring?

I would say possible.

Possible, right.

And then we go back to on.

I'll cover both sides of this coin.

Like collective thought energy, right?

And thought energy, like I define that as thoughts and feelings aligned, oriented towards something consistently or perpetually.

That's.

That's how I define it.

I don't know if that's the fucking correct definition.

That's how I define it.

So the Maharishi effect is an effect where.

And is specifically looking at Transcendental med.

Meditation, but I think it applies beyond Transcendental Meditation.

But for example, this group of 4,000 people met consistently to meditate with the intention to lower the crime in Washington D.C. over a certain period of time.

And after they had met to meditate over a certain period of time, the crime rate in Washington D.C. decreased by 23%.

And when you look at the P value, because they looked for all these other possible explanations like changes in weather, changes in, you know, other like legislation, maybe things like this that occurred in Washington D.C. and nothing else had occurred that would indicate it had an impact on the crime rate, let's say, right?

But when you look at the P value of this specific study, so any p value 0.05 or lower basically indicates high statistical significance.

The P value of this specific study related to these 4000 people meditating in the crime lowering by 23% was 0.000000002, something like that.

It was like 8 zeros, 9 zeros and then a 2.

So this statistical significance was off the charts.

Meaning there was a incredibly strong correlation between the group of people meditating and then the crime lowering.

Now you can't say with 100% certainty that there is a causal relationship in that, but there is an incredible P value.

Right?

What's a P value?

P value basically determines statistical significance when looking at a study.

Okay.

It's a statistical metric essentially like that, that, that shows based on the data how statistically significant it is and how likely these two things are to be related.

To be higher P value means there, there could be more other valuables impacting results.

Say again, with a higher P value that would mean that there's potential other variables impacting the results.

Yeah.

If I remember correctly on how to state this and I, I, this is like a perfect example of another brain dump because I majored in systems engineering and I had to look at P values.

Right, Bro, that's why I have chat gbt.

Come on, look it up for me to double check me.

Yeah.

A P value, short for probability value, is a statistical measure that helps you determine whether the results of a study or experiment are significant.

Definition.

The P value tells you the probability of getting the observed results or more extreme results if the null hypothesis were true.

Correct.

Yeah.

So that's essentially what I'm saying.

So basically the P value with this is off the charts.

And there are countless other studies when it comes to the Maharishi effect that would indicate there is a strong likelihood that a collective group of people orienting their thought energy towards a specific intention has a measurable effect on that thing.

And there's also other examples of random number generators being impacted by people.

There's examples of robots that are like automated robots being impacted in the way they are moving.

Right.

Like robots on wheels.

I think in one of the examples.

There'S many examples in my current backgammon winning streak against Erasmus intentionally rolling the correct dice that I need.

Yeah.

And then your osmosis is over there.

Self loathing.

It wasn't a three game winning streak that you, that you ended.

Who's the champ?

You're the current champ.

You're the current champ.

Enough said.

Continue.

But I, I think you guys get what I'm getting at.

Does that sufficiently answer it on that side of things?

Yeah, it does.

It does.

Okay, then there's a Whole separate category though, which is the, the inverse to that, which is mass psychogenic, mass psychogenic illness or mass social contagion.

And Daniel Royes covers this in his book can you catch a cold?

And like, maybe I've extrapolated to too much on this, but I think it applies outside of illness as well.

Again, given that water permeates all facets of reality, what VADE is showing with water, what the Maharishi effect shows on the flip side of this.

So when you have large amounts of people that.

I'll just give it, give the example and did you guys have Daniel Ross on?

We haven't.

Okay, I'm gonna steal Daniel's thunder then.

So in his book he covers this example where a drug in New Zealand, an antidepressant goes off patent so other companies can make their own generic version of it, right?

So this generic form of this antidepressant comes out and a bunch of people began reporting side effects to whatever New Zealand's adverse events reporting system is.

And there's 27 side effects being reported across the board.

Like 27 common side effects, right.

So as more side effect reports start coming in, the mainstream media in New Zealand decides to run a story on this drug.

For whatever reason, we can only speculate, they only named six of the 27 common symptoms in their report that is then broadcasted to the masses.

Right.

What then ensued was adverse events reports skyrocketed by some crazy percentage.

Like, like over 100% skyrocket.

I think it was like 200 to 300% adverse events reports skyrocketed, but only in six symptoms that the mainstream media had named, not in the other 21 symptoms that were also commonplace.

And there are countless examples of this as well.

And Daniel covers them brilliantly in his book.

And of course there's the concept in a lot of esoteric traditions of an egregore, like a thought entity, right?

A thought form where if a lot of people focus on one thing, it creates some sort.

And this is getting pretty abstract, I'd say, but I tend to believe it that a lot of people focus on energy, their thought energy towards one thing with a lot of emotion behind it.

And it creates a sort of distortion that brings about real world resorts.

Results, sorry, results related to that thing.

And of course we could talk about the placebo nocebo effect and how this applies, like our thoughts about something, our thought energy on an individual level.

But even setting all of that aside, a whole separate category is like going back to voluntarism, quite literally.

Speaking.

And it's, it's wild when you like really think about this.

The only reason that men and women in government have power is because a collective, and a collective is just a bunch of individuals of people believe that men and women in government have power and then based on that foundational belief, contract in a variety of ways with the government, thus reinforcing that belief.

So that's also what I mean by giving away our power.

But even a separate category of that is that I've come to the position that our foundational beliefs give rise to our thoughts, our feelings, our words, our actions.

Do you guys disagree with that?

You know, I don't really disagree.

I don't describe that.

Okay, so given that if you are someone who believes that this individual holds more power than me, this individual is doing all the work to help save this country, this individual is doing the work to help make my family better.

On one level, that could create positive effects related to that, ironically.

But on another level, what might that do to your day to day actions?

If you fundamentally believe that foundationally.

Yeah.

You may not take as much responsibility for your life and the things that you can change.

Back to what we were saying before at the more local level.

Exactly.

That's my whole point.

So when we look at a combination, like a constellation of all those things, that's what I mean when it comes to outsourcing one's own power.

And there's a whole slew of other things that we could bring up too.

Let me, let me take a hypothetical position.

Is it possible that whatever shifts we're seeing now, even maybe Trump coming into power or stepping in some level, came from a previous collective urge for change?

Could be right?

Totally could be.

And like there's two distinct ways to look at this, and I'll use RFK as the example because it's more apparent, at least in my mind.

Right.

Rfk, just by the mere fact that he was even being considered for HHS secretary or that he was running for president previous to that brought so many things to the table that now relative to two years ago, you talk with someone about vaccines or seed oils or cold, cold plunging or sauna or like the harmful effects of non native EMFs or just like these, these very typical wellness isms, if you will, are now the forefront on the minds of a lot more people.

Like to where, I don't know, it may be different in Austin because this is like a wellness hub.

But I would think that you take a sample of a hundred people three years ago and bring up Any of those things, they'd be like, what the.

What is that?

What are you talking about?

Yeah, versus now.

It's like, oh, shit.

Yeah, I've heard about that.

Yeah, I've looked into that a little bit.

I listened to Huberman and Joe Rogan and these other people or hopefully these podcasts.

But that is a positive effect of rfk.

I don't know if you guys saw this morning, this podcast.

It won't be out for a couple weeks currently July 17th.

But Trump apparently, Coca Cola apparently agreed via Trump, to only use cane sugar in their products in the US that's dope.

That's awesome.

And, like, I can objectively celebrate that.

That's awesome.

See, I think that's.

I think that's the thing is that we can get so caught in just, like, the negative and then just focus on that and not realize that, like, life and government and politics and just being human is so complex, you know, and even going back to what we're talking about before, about positive effects, like, if we did a poll in 2014 of people's view of mainstream media, it would be a certain thing.

And then Trump, Maverick Trump comes in and he's just throwing around fake news, fake news everywhere.

And today, I don't care if you're on the left or the right, most people are highly disillusioned with the mainstream media.

Totally.

You know what I mean?

So it's like.

And I'm not sitting here saying, like, I support Trump and all that.

It's just, you know, like, I think most people not giving their power to the mainstream media.

I think Trump played a big role in that.

This is totally.

Dude, I totally agree.

But, like, here's.

Here's my issue with it.

And I covered this on a solo podcast that I did on.

On my show.

There were.

There was a large.

And this is just my own bias.

And I Fully willing to admit that I'm a voluntarist.

I don't even like that label because they're like, there's some nuance that I have related to most people who profess to be voluntarist.

But for lack of a better term, categorically, I align more with voluntarism.

Okay?

And as a voluntarist, I believe foundationally that believing that men and women have authority over other men and women is immoral.

And we could go use the whole example, like, is it right for you to walk up to your neighbor and be like, hey, I'm protecting this neighborhood because I want to.

I'm going to take a certain percentage of your income.

No, I feel like I can protect myself.

Well, unless you give me a little bit of your income, I'm going to take you and throw you in my basement.

That's objectively, in my opinion, immoral.

Okay.

And so if we apply those same standards to government and then we could get.

Have some conversations.

Well, did you consent to it?

Did you sign contracts with the government, birth certificate, all those things?

That is also worthwhile conversation to be had.

And I have those conversations.

But, like, I would like to think that it's important to adhere to standards and principles.

And I would like to think that standards and principles can be applied universally.

And when I see the current form of government as it currently sits, those standards are not applied to men and women in government.

In addition to that, when Trump entered office this year, I saw a marked difference in how many people who were previously pursuing alternative ways of organizing, who are, like, interested in these things, alternative structures for society, who are like, we need to get the.

We need to do whatever we can to make that paradigm obsolete.

Now being pulled back into believing in that same paradigm, which is foundationally and again, in my perspective, immoral in how it operates.

Let me ask you this question.

Let's remove the word power from the equation for a second.

Yep.

Are you generally more hopeful of a Western trajectory led by Trump than you would have been by a Kamala?

Generally speaking, do you have a little bit more faith, a little bit more optimism of a general direction without thinking anything's going to be perfect by any means?

Yes, but.

But here's why.

Yes, but here's why.

There's a caveat to that.

Okay.

So.

Yes, absolutely.

But not because of Trump.

Let me give you an example.

And this is.

I.

Thank you.

This is actually a perfect reminder for what I was going to say earlier when Trump, when it was clear that Trump won the election, before he was inaugurated, before any of the various supposed policies that he was going to bring out of which, ironically, a good majority of them have not happened.

And, like, whether it was express policies or express intent, like, no more new wars, no more funding, like, whether it was from him directly or people on his platform.

The war thing's interesting because he copped a lot of flack with that Iran situation.

Many people.

Let's set that aside, though.

Let's set that aside.

We can.

Okay.

Because I just want to make this point okay.

Before anything new had actually changed in physical reality, in terms of policy, any of that shit.

Right.

I and others noticed a marked breath of Fresh air.

Just based on the mere fact that Trump won the election.

But nothing had actually changed.

Biden was still in office, his policies were still being implemented.

Nothing had literally changed in reality at that point in time.

What changed was the perception of millions of people.

So my question then, going back to placebo, nocebo effect, mass psychogenic illness, mass social contagion, Maharishi effect, is do we really require that one individual is put into one position in order to initiate that same feeling that was felt amongst the masses of, I can be more free now, I can do X, Y and Z, despite no policy change at that point in time?

You see what I'm getting at.

Yeah, I see what you're getting at.

But obviously people still held the future potential of what?

Of what?

You know, and it's like, yes, I'm.

Talking, like, how they felt right now.

Yeah, that's my point.

Yeah.

Like, is, is it wrong for.

I'm sorry, to play devil's advocate.

Just a.

No, please, play devil's advocate.

Like, is it wrong for people to feel like, oh, there might be a little bit more logic, there might be a little bit more reason, there might be a little bit more rationality, you.

Know, fuck, no, it's not wrong.

Absolutely it's not wrong.

None of it's wrong.

It's my perspective in, like, my perspective is that if that, at one level, I want to say, if that is what's required for people to feel more free to people to feel more secure, great.

But it doesn't have to be that.

Of course not.

And it's a slippery slope to continue to rely on that.

Agree.

But how do you remove yourself from your environment and the things that are occurring in your environment.

Environment.

Because you're going to always perceive relative to that to some degree.

Totally.

But then this is, this goes back to the importance, in my opinion, of getting people who are of like mind, like heart to gather locally.

Because, like, when you're at Confluence, and of course you could say, well, it's easy, you're at an event out.

Like you're at an event that is very specific, tailored towards a certain thing.

So, yeah, it's easy to not pay attention to what is going on out there.

Right?

Yeah, you're on a large farm, you're away.

Yes, but, but the point, the, the larger point still stands, that if we were doing similar things to that in our local community, it's like the meme of, of, of people gathering in a huddle, like, I'll be the farmer, I'll be this like, we'll barter, we'll trade, blah, blah.

And then another person comes from the outside, is like, do you guys know.

Why are you not outraged about this?

And then one of the guys turns around, looks at him, says, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then turns back around to the huddle.

It's like, so to your point of being impacted by your reality that you're around.

Of course we are.

Of.

Of course we are.

But the more we can get people who are of, like, mind and like, heart to gather locally in their area, the less and less of a concern it is what goes on politically.

And like, Trump, like, I'll say for my.

The crowd that I hang out with in the Austin area, and again, Austin area is a exceptional example.

Like, it's exceptional.

So it's not even a good example, but it is an example of what's possible in the future.

My friend group here did not give a shit whether it was Trump or Kamala who won, because we're like, dude, it doesn't matter.

Like, we have all of our people.

We all have each other's backs.

We're all on the same page.

That's what matters.

All that does not matter anymore.

You see what I'm saying?

Like, it becomes.

Man, I. I agree.

I mean, I think the power lies within and then with the people we surround ourselves and how we choose to live, you know?

And I also don't want to say that, like, something greater on the outside has zero impact on.

No, no.

Unless.

Unless we're, like, gonna go live an Amish life and have no technology, no devices, nothing.

Like, we're going to be impacted.

We're going to be in the world.

You know what I mean?

Yep.

But.

But to that point taken to its extreme conclusion, like, on what I'm talking about, voluntarism, there.

There's a lot of other things that would need to be discussed, and I do not claim to know the solution on how one would transition effectively on this scale to a voluntarious way of being.

Also on the.

On the current state of consciousness of the collective, of humanity.

Of course.

Yeah.

I'll also say this, and I. I have no problem saying this.

Some people need to be governed.

I mean, I. I mean, I.

Some people ab.

I think some people need to be handled, but, you know.

Yeah, some people need to be governed because they are still of a childlike morality and consciousness.

Now, that being said, what happens when.

You know, actually, Vermont is a really good.

Wait.

Free State project.

Is that.

Free State project.

This is a great example of this.

So I interviewed Eric Breakey, who is the CEO of Free State Project, and I was so stoked to ask him this question because I was wondering like, based on my own thought process, perspectives based on voluntarism, if what I think could occur, based on all we're talking about here could actually occur in reality.

What I mean is in New Hampshire, during COVID according to Eric, and again, don't quote me, if someone's like, no, that's not what happened.

This is according to Eric, this is according to other people who are a part of the Free State Project.

Free State Project, for those who don't know, is a project intended to get a lot of libertarian, voluntarist, agorist, anarcho, capitalist oriented people to move to New Hampshire.

That's literally the expressed goals of the project.

It is not a formal political project in the respect that it is not a formal political objective stated.

It is an outside apolitical organization that is trying to get people to move to New Hampshire.

And what I asked him was, okay, he, he let me know that at that time New Hampshire was being governed by a lot of blue like left leaning, tyrannical people and policies.

Okay.

And so I asked him, I was like, interesting.

During COVID despite the people who are in so called positions of authority, given that you guys had so many people who are libertarian minded, libertarian oriented move, there was there like a total disregard and lack of worry for, you know, the various policies that were implemented.

And he said in most something, this is paraphrase something like this is what I took from it in most cases.

Yes, like, absolutely.

Like despite the policies that were implemented and, and the like, what people were required to do, most people were like, no, we're not doing it.

And there was no worry because there was such a high concentration of like minded people in that area that it didn't matter what the so called authorities tried to do because there are far more people than there are so called authorities and their agents.

So it wouldn't have.

It didn't matter what the policies were because the people were like doesn't.

I don't care what you say.

And that doesn't require that you're hostile and angry towards the authorities or that you're like protesting outside someone's house or something like this or like trying to, you know, find a politician to beat him up or any of that shit.

It's just like, yeah, we don't regard you as legitimate and we're going to continue doing our thing.

Yeah, but do you think that in that we might be taking for granted everything that the west has built in terms of freedom at this point.

So, for example, if you take, if you take that example and say you were living, you know, say, let's say east and West Berlin, right?

And you were in East Berlin, and would there have been any part of you that was like, oh, I might want to raise my family in West Berlin because of the governance that's there and the differences that exist there.

So, you know, I feel like it's taken so long.

It took thousands of years for the values of the west, of freedom, truth, justice, integrity, to kind of take rise, even though that has been compromised to massive degrees at this point today.

And I think we are speaking from a place where it's like we don't know the end results of what a real tyranny, a real collectivist.

Agree.

Looks like, because we don't, we don't really have that lived experience here today because of the privilege that yes.

Has come from the West.

Agree.

I 100% agree with that.

And that is why, in my opinion, it would behoove of us to continue to speak to and help other people, help other people understand the importance of liberty and hold it to account to a degree so we don't slip down the line of, let's say Australia or Canada in some places, or even some parts of the United States.

I think it would behoove of us.

It is more important that we speak before it gets to that point.

Because I've even had people like, okay, Alec, that's great.

I mean, Joel, you're an exception to this because you showed the Australian government up.

But I had someone ask me, this is one of the friends that's in our Real Sacred Men chat that we have.

We're just having a conversation on conservative conservatism versus libertarianism versus voluntarism.

And he was like, dude, everything you're talking about sounds great until you're an Australian.

Like, what the hell do you do there?

Like, they don't have guns.

I'm like, yeah, that's the exact point that I'm trying to make.

Australians collectively believed after, you know, that mass shooting that you guys had, I don't remember the exact details of it.

I'm sure you can read Alpha Massacre.

Yep, yep.

After that mass shooting, they were like, oh, you know what?

We all collectively believe as people that the government has a right to take our guns, so we're going to voluntarily.

I'm sure not all Australians went along with this.

And from my understanding, there's A big black market for guns, especially in northern parts of Australia.

But point being, we all feel that the government has the right to do this, and we don't have the right to have guns.

We're going to give our guns away.

Australia collectively slipped down the slope of tyranny to that degree that we in the United States in most places have not.

And so it's even more important for us to speak to that, because I've had people be like, if you don't like this country, then you should have seen Venezuela at this point in history, or you should have seen whatever other communist place at X points in time in history that I escaped from.

You should be grateful.

I am.

Incredibly grateful.

I love America.

I. I wouldn't want to live anywhere else.

I mean.

And you can still criticize and work to make it even better.

That's the point.

And not allow it to slip down the same agendas that are expressedly stated that they were continuing to slip down that.

I still think that they are ironically slipping towards just under a different flavor.

That's my point.

That's why I think it is incredibly important to speak about these things and to hold people accountable on these ideals and to help people not outsource their power in the ways that I just described.

And beyond that, two politicians who are operating under what I believe to be the guise of freedom and health while implementing things based on what is factually publicly available that are not oriented.

Are they better than Kamala?

Possibly.

We can only speculate on that.

We don't know what would have happened with her in office.

I would like to think so.

But more importantly, the sentiments of the people and their beliefs and thought processes regarding it is why I prefer Trump in office than Kamala.

But it doesn't require that there's a politician.

It can be brought forth from within.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, for me, it's like, when I talk about.

When I think about outsourcing your power, it's like you just withdraw the extreme projection.

Either way, you don't need to project that this guy is some golden Superman savior here hero.

And also, you don't need to project that he's like Orange man, bad demon, you know, the worst thing that's ever happened.

Like, and the moment that you begin to withdraw that projection, you kind of bring your power back in.

And when you're in this extreme outsourcing state, it's.

It's when you're projecting to an extreme one way or the other, you know, But I think.

I think people care a lot More when as we discussed in the beginning, there's a lack of purpose.

Like if you have genuine purpose in your life, you know who you are, you know what you want, you know what you're moving towards, you know what you're building, you know what your values are, then just generally speaking, there's going to be a lot less psychological bandwidth to give to these matters, generally speaking anyway, you know, so you can look.

At, I'm looking for a comment on my Instagram regarding that exact same thing because I, I don't have an issue.

With someone carrying within themselves that isn't an extreme projection.

Oh, you know, things can be working out for the better.

Maybe even if things aren't perfect, we are on some kind of a right path in terms of what's happening.

And I do think we are.

I do think we are.

I 100%.

Like I, I'm not black pilled.

I'm incredibly optimistic, but I'm not optimistic about the mechanisms of government.

I'm optimistic about people as they continue to become more self aware, as they continue to understand the importance of community, of connecting with each other.

Of all the things that you guys talk about on your podcast, I talk about on mine.

And I want to be clear.

So I posted all this stuff happening with Trump Epstein is not surprising at all.

Again, that's from my perspective and I like went listed all the things that Trump did during his first term that would indicate in my perspective that he is not genuinely fighting for freedom.

And someone commented this and to your point, Joel, liking Trump or hating Trump is still falling into the theatrics of presidents.

People unifying over hating Trump still is not getting to the root of the enslavement system.

The conversation for the common voter needs to shift to who controls presidents and how.

I, I don't know if I necessarily agree with what he's saying there, but it's like what you're saying I completely agree with.

By making it Orange man bad and obsessing over him how bad he is, you're also giving him power.

And that's what I responded to.

I was like, I agree.

And I probably, this is me speaking.

I probably allow myself to fall into the category that points out how Trump isn't fighting for freedom a little bit too much.

And ironically it's stemming from my seeing so many people who are ostensibly on the same page and outsourcing their power and wanting to help them see what they're doing.

The irony is the more I talk about Trump, the more I'm giving him Power myself.

And it is.

It's ironic.

So, yeah, you know, it brings me.

Dip in, dip out.

You know, it's.

It becomes so incredibly challenging when I.

It's like, this is a perfect example of, like, being sucked into these things and like, not community right here.

Because when we're at Confluence and we are.

We're not on this.

We don't give a about this.

We're with each other.

And like, what's happening Putting out there.

Maine just passed a.

No one cares.

No one gives a.

But, you know, it's.

Yeah, it's a. Yeah.

I think it brings me back to what I said as a joke in our music and sky little live podcast we did, which was make yourself great again.

And I just think that if there was just more of a focus.

And again, I'm not saying that you can't give attention to things happening world, but it's more of the focus of really sitting with who the am I?

And not.

Not from some spiritual sense that I'm the ocean and all that.

I mean, like, who am I embodied?

And as an individual, my name is Erosimos.

Like, where do I come from?

What's the state of my inner world, My.

My psyche?

What are my interests, what I want to build, what I want to create?

What do I truly value in life and bring that into the world?

You know, like more of that more focused intern.

Like, we talk about obsession.

Like, maybe more people need to obsess about themselves.

And I don't mean it in, like, this, like, negative way.

I just mean, like, obsess over the fact that you've been given this gift of life and what the are you doing with it?

You're spending six hours posting about Trump, Satan, Hitler on Facebook.

You know what I mean?

Or whatever.

Like, where are you giving your time and your energy?

It's very simple.

Like, time, like, attention is the real currency.

Where are you putting your attention to 24 hours in a day?

You know, and again, I don't say this as someone who is like, the Zen master perfect.

I don't use my phone at all.

But, like, I sure as hell don't waste my time on a lot of bullshit that maybe 5, 10 years ago I would have.

You know, Joel and I have a mission.

We're doing our work.

I love spending time in my garden learning about permaculture, planning things, being a husband, you know, having animals, perhaps being a father one day.

Like, that's what fucking matters to me.

In the past, it was maybe going down more rabbit holes or feeling Like, I need to know.

I need to know.

I need to share what I know so then people can like me and click and just say positive things about me.

You're so smart or whatever.

Like, I just don't care as much anymore.

But this is me.

This is, this is my value system and what matters to me.

But as a general rule, again, back to the whole attention thing.

What are you giving attention to, which relates to your whole thing about like, intention and water.

And it's just, I just think people need to like, take a closer look at like, where their energy is going and, and if they don't know how to shift that, learn how to shift that, you know?

Like, what is.

I mean, at the foundation, it's like we have a nervous system that impacts everything, impacts our relationships, impacts the things that we do.

Like, what's the state of it?

Are you triggered over any little thing by someone even disagreeing with you?

Then look in the mirror and go, man, I need to change this.

Like, if I'm being triggered because some person likes a person who you don't even know more like a politician or a celebrity.

Like, I mean, you gotta check yourself.

Like, that is.

That is a problem if you're losing your center over a politician.

Amen.

You're asking us, the president.

Yeah.

You're also, you're also slightly 28 and that you're gonna pay me $20 million to be a to be determined president.

You know, I'm like, just let me chill with my wife, my cats, my friends and, and my plants.

Amen.

Peace out.

You know, but again, I mean, I love these conversations because we're exploring the nuance of what it means to be human, what it means to think, what it means to react, what it means to have beliefs, opinions.

And like, I feel like it's like it needs to be this ever evolving journey of like checking ourselves and checking the foundations of what words we're using.

Why are we saying those words?

What's the motivation behind those words?

You know, and it's exciting and there's not.

It's not about being perfect, you know, Like, I don't, I don't know the right way to always communicate online.

I don't know exactly where we're going to be in five years.

I'm just here for it, man.

I'm here for all of it.

I'm optimistic, like, incredibly optimistic.

Dude, listen, I. I don't know where the bone came or like that gene or whatever the you want to call it in me, but like, I've Always been a pretty optimistic, positive.

I expect the best to happen.

It's a core belief in me that comes from somewhere.

Whether it came from a past life, I don't know.

Was I raised that way?

I don't think I was raised that way to expect the best.

It's just something inherent.

And I think because of that core belief.

You talk about how foundational beliefs impact everything.

Like, my life has taken a certain path and there's certain blessings that have come into my life that I think is because of certain core beliefs of how I live my life.

100 has been all, you know, roses and butterflies at all.

But I just feel like, you know, believing in yourself, having self esteem, expecting the best is going to lead to a much more happy, fulfilled life than the opposite.

And I just see it over and over and over again, not just with myself, but some of the people that I surround myself with.

Totally agree.

Yeah.

I think, like, the.

The perfect example of that is at least the recent example is with the blindfold vision.

I'm sure you guys have talked about that on the show.

You have.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You had.

I know you had Edith, so.

Yeah, you definitely talked about it.

Yeah, we covered it before you, bro.

Got it.

Well, Joel's got a daughter who's like a, you know, thing.

And then my nephews, like, you know, was amazing too, taking the class.

So it's cool.

Yeah, it's incredible.

And yeah, my son Grayson's taking it too.

And then I can't wait to have those skills too.

Well, I mean.

Yeah.

Aren't you doing the adult one?

That's the plan.

But we'll see.

We'll see how.

Heck yeah, dude.

Well, now we're not doing a second Confluence in October, so.

Yeah, no need to split.

But you might have experienced this with Valley.

I know.

I've even seen this to certain degrees in Grayson, even with specifically the blindfold vision thing.

But talking about how foundational beliefs have a measurable impact, which it's like, no, duh.

But I think, like, people don't understand or people forget and even I forget sometimes, like, how much.

How much my foundational beliefs impact not only my actions in the world, but the outcomes of things in the world, like, foundationally.

And an example of that is.

I don't know if it's okay to say his name at this point.

I'm just.

I'm just going to say I think it's probably fine.

But Matthias, who is one of the best blindfold, like, he's.

He's.

He got activated like Five years ago.

He's incredible.

And that's who you and I saw your osmos the first time when we saw this in Mexico.

Just before taking the stage at Confluence for the blindfold vision demonstration, Matthias's mom came up to me and was kind of freaking out.

She's like, alec, we have a huge, huge, huge problem.

Matthias is not able to do this right now.

A man came up to him and was joking with him, but was like, very harsh and somewhat shameful and like, ah, you're cheating.

I don't believe you can do it.

It's all cheat.

It's all a joke.

You can't actually do this.

And Matthias took on that belief and then attempted to do the blindfold vision just before and was not able to do it.

Wasn't able to do it.

And we're talking about, bro, like, I went to grab you and then went to grab Ian Smith.

And I think specifically with Ian, Matthias is facing the other way.

Ian enters the room 30ft away.

Matthias is blindfolded, playing a video game on his mom's phone.

And without moving his head, Ian enters the room, like at his 8 o', clock, 20ft away, Matthias goes, oh, you're new, you're big.

And Ian, it looks like, what?

Like this is how skilled this dude is, right?

Yeah.

But then he temporarily took on that foundational belief of I can't do this.

And Anna, their mom, also relayed to me that in Mexico, where they live, their oldest Reuben had another very similar experience.

I think it was he was shamed by like a super religious, like Catholic guy about his abilities, like saying that they're satanic.

And Reuben adopted that belief to the degree that he was going up to his mom, saying, mom, it was all cheating.

This whole time, I've never been able to do it.

I've been cheating.

It was all a cheat.

I was cheating.

You.

And his mom had to really talk him off that ledge.

Like, no, no, no.

Like I've seen you do incredible things.

This is not true.

You're not cheating.

It's real.

It's real.

And finally, over time, after extracting that conditioned belief, he was able to regain his abilities.

Likewise at Confluence.

When this happened to Matthias, the moment he sat down amongst the other kids, Valley and those others, Kabrim, Akira, who've been activated, he was instantly able to do it again.

And he's playing chess, he's doing all these incredible things.

But it just goes to show how incredibly impactful conditioned beliefs can be in terms of outcomes in physical reality.

But then, like Again, for me it reinforces the need for community of like minded, like hearted people.

Because the moment Matias sat down amongst those other people who were on the path to remembering who they are and who had cultivated these abilities, he was instantly, he instantly like dissolved that conditioned belief and could do it again.

Yeah, it's just such a cool micro example of how that probably plays out in all of our lives too.

Well, I mean, most of us had 12 years of general schooling.

Imagine all the conditioned beliefs about what's possible for us that were constantly drilled into us over and over again in these basically anti life institutions.

Right?

And that's, that's something that we're all grappling with.

That's something that we're all trying to work through, deal with reverse on it on a day to day basis.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's like the magic is sucked out through, through schooling and then we expect people to be able to do things that seem like magic.

Do you know what I mean?

Like being able to see.

I mean when you see it, when you witness it for the first time, you're like, what the fuck is reality?

Like, sure, I mean, you know, I.

Remember your face distinctly, your osmosis when we first saw your.

Because I'm just like, sure you can read about like, you know, experiments and remote viewing and things that, you know, people do, but that's out there.

That's like, you know, to see it in front of you, to witness a child have these abilities, you just, it makes you question what, what again, exactly what is.

What'd you say?

I'm just agreeing with you.

Yeah, like it's just, it makes you question what is reality?

Like how do we see?

Like what is consciousness?

What are we capable of?

You know, what has been like, you know, put to sleep within the human that maybe these kids are coming back to either remind us or maybe it's just how we're moving forward and evolving in the world and.

But I tend to think we all have these abilities dormant inside of us.

And like, dude, the coolest part of the blindfold vision experience at Confluence, the demonstration for me also, I had already seen it multiple times before.

So like it's, I won't say it's lost its appeal, but it's like, oh yeah, no doubt they can do this for me, but was witnessing the 750 people that were there, of which a large portion were bawling their eyes out at what they were seeing.

That part was cool to me because it's both the, the sadness that the heartache for like, oh, I also was this young, beautiful child that had this beautiful spark.

But through various conditioning, traumas, etc.

Etc.

In my life, that spark was compressed and dimmed over time and it became dusty.

But also now, by me witnessing this as an adult, seeing these kids, seeing this undeniable thing in front of me amongst these seven kids, I am now remembering that I still have that inside of me too.

That part stood out to me as like.

Like I instantly, when I saw the adults crying, like, that's.

Those are the two things that came to me like, ah, that's what this is.

That is cool.

That is so cool.

You know, the most mind blowing part to me is that like, the eyeball isn't even required.

It isn't even necessary.

Like, Edith talks about examples of people learning to drive, people that don't have eyeballs learning how to drive.

It's like what the perception period, Right?

Yeah, I think also too to mention, because I feel like I've heard this from multiple parents that, like, like, we're so amazed by this.

And some of these kids are like, yeah, okay, cool.

I want to go back to doing.

They're over it.

They're over it.

They're over it.

And so I think as a parent, you have to be careful.

You're not like anything else, like being like a stage mom, but like a blindfold, you know, vision mom, you know, or dad.

But you have to do it.

You have to practice.

You have to, you know, be able to do 360 degrees.

Like, you know, sure, introduce it and the kids into it, great.

But if they also want to do something else, like, you know, you're gonna force your kid to like, become like a blindfold vision master.

Dude, you know what?

That is such.

That is such an important reflection for me to hear.

And I haven't spoken this to Grayson, but I've had the urge to.

And it's like, there's something about.

I'll speak for myself.

There's something about your oldest being a boy that like, you know, the whole, like the oldest gets the.

Gets it the hardest.

And relative to how I was parented, my son has a cushion.

He knows that too.

And like, we, like, we'll talk about it when we talk on our podcast.

Joel.

We talk about parenting, but no, like, we are, we are awesome parents.

And I know we are.

And we could always do better too.

But like, relative to how Kylie and I were raised, like, it's.

It's not even, not even close.

But the point is, I do feel that urge inside of me to, like, push him to do more.

Like, okay, he's activated a window where he can kind of see over here.

I'm like, yeah, but you can do better.

Like, I haven't said that to him, but inside of me, I'm like, you can do better, though.

Like, you can.

You can get it activated to where you can see all the way behind your head.

You can remote view.

Let's go.

I haven't said that, but I feel that urge bubbling up inside of me as a dad.

I'm like, because I see the potential.

I see the potential.

And it's like, you want your kid to meet their potential, but then it's like, is it.

You want them to meet their potential?

Because you then take it as a good reflection on you as a parent, and you have to sit with that and really think about it.

And also, is it the projection of, like, well, I can't blindfold.

I can't do it.

Yeah.

Like, living vicariously through them.

Yeah.

Like, I. I wasn't an NBA player, so you need to be an NBA player.

Yeah, man.

It's wild because that's what I think happened with my dad.

I'm blessed that my dad and I have an absolutely incredible relationship now.

Like, incredible.

And you guys have both met my dad.

He's an awesome dude.

Growing up, it sucked.

It was not good.

It was.

It was horrible.

And I can look back now and know that he didn't have the tools.

Coming from a very male, angry Serbian lineage, and his dad was way worse on him, but he didn't have the tools to know how to take what was projected onto him and deal with it.

So he projected it onto me.

And my dad didn't make it to where he wanted to as a basketball player.

So he put so much pressure on me to become that basketball player, you know?

And, like, I know that he was doing it because he loved me and he saw my potential, but how it was actualized and expressed was incredibly harmful.

Like, incredibly harmful.

So, yeah, it's a weird thing.

Yeah.

I think motivation on that level is an amazing thing.

Like, as we've been discussing, when the child has the choice to opt out.

Right.

And this is why we revere coaches so much.

And certain people get so many benefits from coaches and teachers and that one figure in their life that pulls them forward, that isn't from the family unit because they chose it and because they can leave.

Whereas with the parents, it's like, they can't opt out of that.

Right.

Yeah.

It's It's a weird dynamic.

I'm really excited to talk to you about, like, parenting.

It's going to be a good combo.

Yeah, me too, bro.

Yeah, it's going to be good.

You can learn from us, your osmos for when you have kids.

Maybe.

Maybe you can apply some of the same principles to your cats and chickens.

Yeah.

And Rosie, my dog.

That's right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I look forward to it.

We'll see what happens.

Yeah.

Awesome.

I just want to comment quickly on the blindfold thing.

Like, the biggest takeaway, I think, is that it's guiding the child to trust their intuition, and it's guiding them to make the distinction between when they're guessing and when there's a deeper knowing and the ramifications of knowing, your knowing in every other facet of your life for when something feels right, when something feels correct, et cetera, et cetera.

And I think that's the primary lesson.

Beyond the vision, beyond the seeing.

It's that 100.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's so cool to seeing how Edith teaches that.

And it really is a good allegory for other things in life.

Like, I was talking to Kylie yesterday.

She's in homeopathy school right now through Remedy Academy, and she had her first, like, case study that she had to bring forward.

And it, according to her, I didn't get to see it myself.

And I'm sure she's.

I know Kylie's very hard on herself, but after the case study, she was feeling really defeated.

She was like, I didn't.

I didn't do well.

I didn't, like, make the right recommendations to my client.

All these things.

It just didn't go well.

And instantly I brought up what Dr. Edith reveals in the blindfold vision training the first week, if not the whole thing right.

She's like, we want you to mess up.

We want you to mess up when you're in this learning process.

We want you to get it wrong so that when you do get it right, you can sit with.

Oh, wait.

Okay.

How did that feel in your body?

What did that feel like to get it correct?

Okay, remember that feeling.

Hang on to that feeling.

Get it wrong again.

Get it wrong again.

Get it wrong again.

Learn, learn, learn.

Get it right.

Okay, how did that feel to get it right?

What did that feel like inside your body?

And it's a perfect allegory for life, too, when it comes to these journeys and challenges and making mistakes and.

And failures, et cetera, et cetera.

It's like you talk to any successful businessman or like any of the ones I've talked to, they talk about how there's multiple times that they drastic like they were horribly failed, horribly failed on multiple other business ventures.

But they didn't take that as a representation of who they truly are.

They took that as an opportunity to learn.

That's it.

And then when they got it right again, I'm not sure that they directly felt into their body like, okay, how does this feel now that I'm getting it right?

But the.

But It's a.

What Dr. Edith teaches is a great example for all of us when it comes to just navigating life.

It's okay to make mistakes.

It's encouraged to make mistakes.

That's the whole point.

Course, of course, man.

Like there's literally no other way to learn except to get it.

Except to get it wrong and to iterate and to make adjustments.

Like this whole idea that we're going to get something perfect or right or you know, be a superstar, the first time we do anything is just, that's so inhibiting even to one's self esteem.

Like we have to have the ability to go forward, move into something and know that it might not be perfect, we might it up, but from that is where the goal is going to be for us to iterate.

And that's like, that's, that's true for all of our journeys, even in all the beliefs that we hold today, all the ways that we see the world, all the ways in which we want to grow a podcast and build a business and all the rest of it just, it's through the act of doing and sticking with the process.

Amen, man.

That Michael Jordan quote, have you heard of it?

The one where he talks about failing like that is like ingrained in my head.

It's.

I missed almost 9,000 shots in my career.

I've lost almost 300 games, 26 times.

I've been trusted.

Take the game winning shot and missed.

I failed over and over and over again in my life and that is why I succeed.

From the goat man.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Awesome belief.

Yeah, that's where it starts.

Yeah.

Did he, did he push off bro?

On the, on the final shot?

Yeah, he did.

Against.

On that crossover, the last shot.

Yeah, he pushed.

That was totally did.

But you know, he's Jordan, he could get away with it.

But I mean Kyrie does the same stuff, just his is more.

Everyone pushes off a little bit.

It's Shay.

It's funny because my son's name is Shea or Shai Alexander Zach.

And I've had like, I Get confused.

Now because I feel like you've told me your son's name, and I'm like, wait, what's the NBA player's name?

I've had so many people hit me up like, yeah, did you name your son after Shay Gilders?

Alexander?

I'm like, no, my middle name is Alexander.

Shy means gift from God.

I love it.

Yeah, man.

Yeah.

One last question.

What are you excited for during your.

Your 33rd year, your Jesus year, as some people call it?

Man, I'm just trusting the process, man.

Like, I. I know that what we're building with the way forward is needed.

Like, it's clearly needed given the polls that we've put out.

And I think we're gonna reach more and more.

People are going to reach the conclusion that, yes, these things are powerful tools to receive information, to learn things, to connect with people, et cetera, et cetera, but they're not a replacement for Community.

And I think we're.

For many people, they're already reaching that tipping point where they're almost swinging the other end of the spectrum into the pendulum and.

Or the pendulum swung the other way, where they're, like, rejecting their phones outright and they're like, I'm sick of it.

I'm getting off social media.

But the point is, people are.

Are going to realize, I think, the importance of cultivating community in person where you are.

And I'm not going to make the claim that our platform is the only way to do that.

Yes, we charge for our platform because we're providing incredible value with what we do.

Incredible value.

And it is an incredible tool, which is why we charge in order to continue building what we're building, because we want to bring forth these community centers in specific areas.

We want to be able to bring these things into being.

And so I'm just excited for that and, like, to cherish these moments with my kids when they're this young.

I feel like my son has already reached a point where it's like, he's really past that little kid phase and is becoming like a boy.

It really happens, at least for him, after he.

His, like, adult teeth grow.

Grew in.

And so I'm just really cherishing these moments with my kids, man.

Like, really soaking it up.

Like, looking at them, making eye contact with them, and just, like, witnessing them be who they're being.

Like, there is nothing better.

Like, I. I etched those moments into my mind lately when my daughter's laying on my arm and just looking at me.

Yeah.

Like, yeah, and, bro, there's nothing better Than that.

There's.

In my experience, there's nothing better than that.

And what a blessing for you to have the level of consciousness to take stock of and appreciate that now as opposed to later having the regrets of all the moments that I didn't really soak in.

I didn't really let land.

Right.

Yeah.

Like, I even reflect back to how many times two years ago, even a year ago, where I'm like, not now, not now.

Like, I'm busy.

I'm like, am I really busy?

Do you really need to make this post so that more people know?

Like, no, no, I'm much more conscious about that now.

Yes, I still post and say things, but, like, if my kids are in the room, unless I'm like on a zoom meeting, and even when I am on a zoom meeting, they come in and sit on my lap sometimes, but I put my down like this.

This is what we're supposed to be doing it for anyway.

This.

Yeah.

To have more moments like this.

So it's so important to soak up those moments and there's nothing more fulfilling with that.

Yeah, exactly.

That's what we're all striving towards, you know?

And it's like, oh, yeah, it's like this.

This vision that, oh, I'll be able to get there one day and fully enjoy it and fully absorb it when I've ticked all these goals and I've got this kind of level of financial security and I've reach this.

It's not the case.

Like, it's now, you know, it's now, man.

It's now.

No, nothing.

Nothing is better than now.

Now is where you meet yourself.

Now is where you meet God.

Everything else is just an abstraction.

That's it now.

And I. I really try to remind myself of that lately when I'm with my kids.

And it's like, yeah, I mean, you.

I know you're a girl, dad, so you get it, but having the, the contrast of like a boy and a girl, like, like having my son is so special.

Of course.

Like, of course.

And like my little girl, man.

Like, yeah, I can like, just think about her and cry and.

Yeah, it's.

It's.

It's a gift.

It's a gift, man.

Yeah.

All of it all being.

Being a dad of all three of these kids and, and creating this life with my wife.

We've been together since we were 16.

Like, seeing our journey, it's crazy what we've been through to get where we are.

It's like nothing better.

It's like the ultimate Hero's journey.

It's like, what, 17 years, you guys.

We've now known each other for over half our lives.

Wild.

Yeah.

So beautiful though, because you see each other through so many different iterations.

And when you think about, like, sure, she's an individual, you're an individual, but you're in relationship.

And so there's the entity of the relationship.

And you see how that, how you each have evolved over time and then how that's impacted the relationship and how that's evolved over time.

And that's the beauty of, you know, a long term relationship.

You know, I've spoken about this before on the podcast that the Greeks have, have, I think, six words for love.

And is it pragma?

Pragma, I think, is like long standing love.

And so you see that, you see that, you know, with people been together 20, 30, 40, 50 years.

I see with my, my parents, they were together almost 50 years.

And like, that's actually what was the reason why I decided to like, get married, you know, because I was someone who was such a.

Like, oh, I'm never gonna get married, I'm never gonna have kids.

I don't want to commit.

I definitely, I was a commitment phone.

And I remember, like a few years into my relationship with Sophie, I went back home to the east coast to see my parents.

My dad was.

My mom was in the hospital or something.

Something happened.

And I just saw the two, like my, my dad taking care of my mom, like when she came home.

And I just remember that moment.

I was like, I want that.

Like, I want, I want, I want that.

They've been together, they've been through so much over time, you know, and, and it was just something so beautiful that like.

And there was another instance that happened.

I don't want to get into it about some other reminder of like, I definitely don't want that.

But I got back home to California and I walked into our home where I was living with Sophie, and I just saw her.

I was gone for like a week and I was like, that's, that's my woman.

You know, I want, I want to commit as someone who was so scared of commitment.

It was just like seeing like what's possible, you know, like when, you know someone's got your back, you know, vice versa.

Like, that's the beautiful thing of long term partnership that like short term things and fun like this, this doesn't, it just doesn't.

And like anything great, like, it's earned over time.

Yeah.

You know, you go through, you go.

Through, you get triggered.

And then hopefully, you have enough consciousness to take responsibility for your.

And your role into it.

And then you repair, and then the bond gets.

The bond gets stronger.

You go through that process over and over and over again.

I mean, hopefully, you're not, like, having crazy conflicts all the time, but, like, when you do, like, what do you do then?

That's the beauty.

When, like, you can honor each other and respect each other and then keep moving forward in life.

And then, like, it's just.

I don't know.

It's a beautiful thing.

Union and being devoted to some, like, one person is the greatest accelerator of one's own growth, in my opinion.

By.

Well, I think.

I think relationship.

Well, just in general, I think.

Yeah, relationships.

But I'm saying intimate relationship with one individual.

The greatest accelerator of spiritual growth, of having to face your shadow.

Yeah.

Because you can't just peace out and go for the new.

The new exciting thing.

It's like, oh, I'm in it.

I made a commitment to myself.

You can, but then it's not gonna, like, it's.

In my opinion, it's not the same.

Not the same.

Not the same, man.

Yeah.

No.

Thank you for another beautiful conversation, bro.

No, I had no clue where this one was gonna go.

We didn't either, man.

We didn't.

We didn't.

We were just like, oh, let's.

Let's have Alec back on.

Let's just see where it goes.

And this is ride.

I love you guys.

I love you, too, bro.

So much, man.

I love you so much.

Respect.

I feel honored to.

To be a brother, to be a friend.

Yeah, man.

It's.

I'm so excited where things are evolving for all of us.

It's really cool.

Amen.

Yeah.

I always feel like when I do a podcast with you guys, it's one of those examples where I don't even feel like it's a podcast.

I feel like it's just homies hanging out chat.

And I'm like, oh, yeah, we're on a podcast.

Yeah.

What's the cool thing, though, about having these platforms where we could just, like, keep it real, you know?

I mean, one of our podcasts, I think, was called, like.

I feel like that was.

We just, like, literally rambled on about whatever for.

Yeah, this one has got a little, like, political and, you know, philosophical from a political standpoint, and then, you know, get a little personal.

But that's.

That's what I like, man.

Conversation takes us.

It was good.

All right.

I love you guys.

Love you, bro.

Obviously, everyone, you can find Alec@thewayforward.com the way FWRD.com we'll have links posted there, support him, everything he's doing.

He's got a great community.

And if you get a chance at the next confluence, don't miss it.

It's an incredible event.

I've been to all three.

I don't plan on ever missing them, but you never know what happens.

But they're amazing.

So hope to see you there.

Thanks.

F. You guys haven't decided on dates yet, have you?

No, we're.

We're supposed to meet next week as we're just like Joel said, It's July 17th right now.

So we'll hopefully, by the time this comes out, have dates.

So we'll.

We could send you.

Sure, sure.

Like springtime again?

Similar kind.

Yeah, springtime for sure.

We're just deciding between mid April and the beginning of May because we kind of liked the beginning of May.

But then again, that's a bigger variable because May in Texas tends to be a little bit more rainy than April.

But then.

Yeah, just temperature stuff in April.

Yeah.

So we're trying to figure out what's best.

Cool.

All right, everyone, thanks for tuning in.

We'll see you next time.

Take care.