Hey everybody. Welcome back to another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast. What's up folks? We are back on Sunday, so happy Sunday. It is the 21st, and this launch is Christmas week officially today. It's hard for I, I don't often think of Sundays as the first day of the week because in a lot of ways it's the last day of our week, the way that our week sets up. I think of it as the first day of the week. Do you? I do. Okay. My calendar is set up where Sunday is the first day of the week. Minus two, but just mentally, I think it's part of the weekend. And that's kind of a cultural thing too. I mm-hmm. I typically think Monday still is like kicking off the week, but Sunday does, you're right. Well, I privilege the Lord's Day over every other day. PPJ, I'm not gonna hold it against you because let each one be fully convinced in his own mind. Right. Well, I'm gonna say Colossians, not to hold days as holier than others. And that's exactly what I was thinking of. Okay. So I'm giving you a pass. Okay. Fair? Yeah. Yeah, but yeah, this launches Christmas week as a reminder Christmas Eve on Sunday or on Wednesday. Man, I'm, we've got one service at 4:00 PM I, it's, if you want a seat, get there early. 'cause that's right. Overflow is not gonna be fun. We're putting you outside in the parking lot and we're each, we're giving you each a QR code to stream the service. It actually is gonna be a beautiful day. So maybe you think to yourself, oh, that's okay. Outdoor church. Let's do that. Yeah, it will be a nice day. You're right. But yeah, no it's hopefully gonna be a good time. Christmas Eve. We've got a shorter service. We're gonna do a couple songs, then a shorter message, then two more songs, and then we'll call today and head out. And what's even better, if you're listening to this and you're part of our setup and tear down team for the next one, two, well, Christmas Eve as well. So three gatherings. We don't have to tear down at all. Oh, yeah. Which is awesome. Two weeks of total. Church bliss. So good. You don't have to carry things. It's great. So good. Yeah. In fact, special thanks to our setup team. A couple of them. I know Abe Steve Yang and Steven Little were there yesterday on Saturday morning helping get in the stage and the backdrop set up. I know our hold decor team, Jeff and Nne and Albert were there a couple of our young men I know we're there helping. Josh and Jacob were there helping. So special thanks to you guys for helping to get everything. Set up and looking so nice. I love our Christmas setup. It looks really, really nice for what we have, which is a remote church. It looks really well done. Church in a cafeteria. It's never looked better. Right? That's true. That's true. I would venture a guess as to say same. And Christ is worth it because he is supreme. Yes. He's better than anything else that we have. And that's. In the Old Testament, you see glimpses of that. But in the New Testament, you see it explicitly in our reading today, don't we? We do. We do. In fact, that's the way that Hebrews begins. And really kinda the whole book of Hebrews is written towards that end of helping us understand that Jesus is better. In fact it's set up as the author's writing that this is most likely a group of former Jews who are now believers who are being tempted to go back to Judaism. And a lot of the reasons they wanna go back to Judaism, it seems like, because it's the easier road being a Christian, as we've been reading about in one Peter and in some of the other epistles that we've gone through during this. Time, first Century ad shortly after the death and resurrection of Christ. It was not easy. The Roman Empire was pretty demanding of its citizens as far as what they could and couldn't do religiously. And then once the Christians were singled out the persecution really ratcheted up there. So there was this temptation to go back to Judaism. And I think there was also a temptation to go back to Judaism because Judaism offered a lot of really tangible things that didn't require as much faith, if I can put it that way. You have the sacrificial system, you have the things that you could see, touch, feel, smell, smells, and bells, right? People like it. They do because it gives us a sense of something that we can. Say we can actually experience Yeah. And equate our standing with the Lord with that experience. And I think the writer of Hebrews is cautioning against that as well in the letter, but he does open, as you were saying, by saying Jesus is better. That that long ago God spoken many ways that many times through the prophets and others, but now he's spoken to us by his son, by Jesus. So, chapter one, really. Opens up establishing what the whole book is gonna be about. And in chapter one, he's establishing that Jesus is better than the angels. And in chapter two, he goes on to explain more about Christ and about his identification with us as human beings and why the incarnation was so necessary. We've alluded to that a few times in this Christmas reminders series. I'm just gonna give a high overview of our reading today. Chapter three, he gets into Jesus' relationship to Moses and that Moses brought the law. Moses was the intermediary that brought the law to Israel. And the Israelites who hardened their hearts against Moses were rejected from entering the promised land. And the equation there is Jesus is greater than Moses. So how much greater a danger is it to neglect the gospel? Remember, people tempted to leave Christianity and go back to Judaism, and he's warning them against that chapter four. He brings up Joshua and the concept of rest and talks about the fact that if Joshua had really been the one to give them the rest that God was really talking about because Joshua did lead them into the promised land, then God would not have spoken of another rest yet to come. So in chapter four the writer is saying, Jesus is giving us and offering us a better rest. And so don't fail to meet that rest. Don't fall away. Don't be like the Israelites and not make it into the true rest that is being offered. You chapter five then bridges into the warning passages here that really one of the starkest warning passages we see towards the end of chapter five, beginning of chapter six, where the writer warns those that are close to the gospel and close to Christianity and close to the truth, and have been exposed to the truth of God's word over and over again. That if they fall away, then it's even in the. Cases of some impossible for them to come back and repent and believe in Jesus Christ because they would be crucifying the son of God to them again difficult concepts here, but that's kind of the gist of chapter six is warning. You can get so close and harden your heart for so long that God's gonna like Romans one, turn you over. So that's kind of the overview of one through six, but maybe let's go back and hit on a few. Key areas here in this reading. No one I know is struggling to worship Jesus or worship angels. I don't think that's ever gonna be a comparison that a lot of people, at least the people that I've interacted with, are like, Hey man, I'm really struggling this week. Instead of worshiping Jesus, I've been looking to angels. That angel Gabriel, he's looking really attractive. So what gives, with this whole introduction, why do we have to make the statement Jesus is better than angels? I think it's. The concept of awe, right? I think all of us would say, man, if an angel showed up in my presence, I would be in awe of that. And we see that. We're going to see that this morning with the angel Gabriel showing up to Mary in Luke chapter one. If an angel were to show up, we would be in awe of that. We would say, wow, this is amazing. This is incredible. And I think the writer is writing to tell us Jesus is greater than that. And so I think we can domesticate Jesus and think less of him than we ought to. When really he's greater than the angels. He is the son of God. He's the exact imprint of the radiance of God, the exact imprint of his nature. He upholds the universe by the word of his powers. Chapter one says, so I think the author is saying, not necessarily that we're tempted to worship angels, but okay, we have a concept of being in awe of an angel. We should be that much more in awe of Christ when we think about him. Okay? So in chapter two, then he talks about Jesus becoming. Perfect through suffering. This is in verse 10, for it was fitting that he for whom and by whom all things exist, and bringing many sons to glory should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. Thought Jesus was already perfect. Wasn't he already the son of God at the beginning of this thing? In what way and. Does perfection through suffering take place? Yeah. So another translation of the word perfect there could be complete in the original and the Greek there. And so the idea there is that he is being made complete that is fit to be our savior through the suffering that he endured. And so it's through that that we have salvation through him and reconciliation with the father because he was made complete through the suffering that he went through, that his identity as a savior was brought to its fruition through going through the suffering of his incarnation and through the suffering of the cross. So that he could be the one that is our great high priest, which is where the author goes in a little while here. Okay. So the idea then of being perfect through suffering is not that he becomes something that he wasn't. Really it's more like he's being identified as being sufficient to cover all of our sin, debt, and to be a perfect type priest. Okay. That makes sense. Okay. Verse 17, still in the same chapter, chapter two. It says here that he had to be made like his brothers in every respect so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God to make propitiation for the sins of the people. Okay, this is something I think we're all familiar with, but my wife asked recently if Jesus being born as a man and being as a son of God, if he took on. Sinful flesh. In other words, when any person is born, all of us are born into the sins of Adam. We are born into the flesh, which is also fallen. And so even though you're a sinner by birth, you ratify our sin later, after you begin to choose to sin, and you become a sinner, not only by birth, but by choice. Is Jesus made like us in every respect and that he also possesses the sinful flesh? Or was his sin something different? Rather, was his flesh something different than ours? And if so, was he like us then in every respect? Yeah. I think get a glimpse of the answer to this question even in this morning's passage that we'll talk about at church in Luke 1 34, Mary says to Gabriel, how can this be since I'm a virgin? And then Gabriel answers and says this, the Holy Spirit will come upon you and the power of the most high will overshadow you. Therefore, the child to be born will be called holy, the son of God. So Gabriel here is telling Mary that the conception of the Christ child is not gonna be through the traditional means of a husband and a wife. Rather, this is going to take place by the power of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is going to create the physical body of Jesus. And let me be careful to stress that, create the physical body of Jesus within the womb of Mary. He's gonna knit this body together during the gestational period. So this body this. Child is going to be conceived of in Mary's womb by God. And so that is what prevents this from being a union between a sinful man and a sinful woman, thereby creating a child that would inherit a sinful nature. This is a sinful woman. Mary is not sinless, and that's a doctrine that the Catholic church has sometimes taught that she's without sin. And that's to be rejected. That is, is not something that we hold to. However, her sin sinfulness was superseded by the holiness of the Spirit, who is the agent of creation within the womb of Mary. And so Jesus is going to be carried by Mary, but he's not going to carry the sinful nature that comes from the un union of a man and a woman. And I think there's something that we undersell about the spiritual. Act of conception, if I can put it that way, of what takes place, not just in the material, but also in the immaterial in the act of conception and with Jesus the sin nature was superseded because the Holy Spirit is the one that wrought him in Mary's womb. So does that mean that he can't identify with us? No, he can't identify with us 'cause he's still in, in true humanity and he still had to live a perfectly obedient life and submit himself to the will of the father. And he was still able to be tempted, as we know from his time in the wilderness. And so he was able to identify with us in his humanity, but he did not possess a sin nature. Yeah. This is challenging for us to think about because we probably would be able to say, well, maybe I would do better if I didn't have a sin nature either. And I think what we have to do is take scripture at its word. This is one of those situations where God knows what it's like for us to live with sin. And he also knows what it's like for Jesus to not live with sin. And so if he says he was made like his brothers, in every respect, we have to believe and trust it. That's legitimately true. I mean, we might be able to say, well, what about what ifs? But really those questions don't hold a lot of water. They're speculative at best. And what we have here in scripture is something a lot more reliable. Yeah. Chapter three. Anything here with his connection with Moses? Yeah. What about that? Did you have something that you're going, I mean, are you wanting me to ask you more questions? Well, I mean, I, we can talk about are you liking this? I think, again with the audience being those that are former Jews, Moses, in the law were held at the highest esteem. And I think the writer is reminding them Hey, you've got a messenger who's better? You've got a priest who's better? You've got a leader who's better. You've got a giver of the law, who's better than Moses was. And he even says that. He says Christ is faithful over God's house. As a son, Moses was faithful in all God's house as a servant, but Christ is faithful over God's house as a son. So, again, that idea, that concept Jesus is better. He's stressing that here with this comparison with Moses. Okay, in chapter four we start to see some of the warnings here and some of the strange passages. They seem to work against how we typically understand salvation. When we talk about salvation being something that God does in us and through us and what he begins, he will finish Philippians one, six. Sometimes we'll refer to that. And we do believe salvation is secure for Christians and yet. We have verses like this. Therefore, while the promise is verse one, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. And then he says if today, if you hear his voice, don't harden your heart. As in, and he says multiple times. Actually, he's quoting this from chapter three N, chapter four, don't harden your heart. So it seems like he's saying. You're secure. At least we understand salvation to be secure. And yet he's also saying, but beware don't harden your heart against God. Verse 11, let us therefore strive to enter that rest. Work really hard to be in that rest date of knowing your walk with God is secure. Maybe you could elucidate on some of those things. Is there salvation, secure or isn't it? Should we have a sense of trepidation? A la, Hebrews chapter four. Yeah, I think. The concept of once saved, always saved is true as long as the person is truly saved. And that's why these warning passages are there, as well as when Paul says that we should examine ourselves to see whether we're in the faith, as well as when Peter says in Second Peter one if you practice these things you secure your entrance into eternal life. There's. A fruitfulness that comes with Christianity, and that's something that we've talked about before in other passages as we've gone through this podcast that are expected of us, that our faith is meant to work. We talked about this recently in Ephesians, and so what we're seeing here is a similar concept that if your faith is merely a profession and there's no evidence if you have. Failed to continue to strive after Christ's likeness and pursue him and to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, then you have no grounds for confidence in your standing with the Lord. So the writer here is giving warnings that are for those that would profess faith in Christ. These are not just warnings for unbelievers that said. Ephesians one, that we are sealed with. The promise Holy Spirit is a guarantee of our future inheritance, or First Peter chapter one, that we are being guarded by God's power through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last times. A genuine Christian will not fall away, but part of what keeps a genuine Christian from falling away. Our warning passages like this that instill within us the fear of God that says, okay, I want to make sure I do everything necessary not to fall away. God is the one that's ultimately keeping me, but at the same time, I have to make sure that I am not flirting with the edge of the cliff, so to speak. How do I do that without? Insecurity in my relationship with God. If I'm fearing God, and sometimes we even use that and he says it here, let us fear less. Any of you should seem to have failed to reach that rest that he talks about. I think for a believer there's a lot of this where the more you lean into your striving after christlikeness, the more joy and rest and comfort and security you find there. And so it may start with this concept from time to time of man I do have a fear and I'm entertaining thoughts. This fear of man, what if I'm not saved? And yet if you'll do what? The Bible calls us to do if you'll pursue christlikeness and really cultivate the fruit of the spirit. I think what you'll find more often than not is you'll have a relationship with Christ that is a joyful walk with Christ. And so it's almost like it's default. You're not thinking about falling away because you're being conformed by the spirit more into the image of Christ so that your desires, your inclinations are such that you are naturally pursuing the Lord. So it's kind of a paradoxical effect where the warnings are genuine warnings for us, but those warnings keep us. Loving the Lord so much that there's a lot of freedom and joy in that for sure. It's like being fenced in inside the fence. It seems like, oh, you're in a cage. You can't go anywhere. But inside the fence, there's joy, there's protection, there's security, there's comfort there. As long as you're hugging the mountain, sometimes we talk about that, right? In terms of the analogy, if you're singing the guardrails that tell you that if you go over the side of the mountain, you're gonna fall. Those are real and those are genuine warnings, but that makes you hug the mountain closer, which causes you to love the Lord better, and there's freedom there. Okay. Let's come back to this idea here of Jesus suffering and let's talk about verse. Eight verse eight of chapter five Here, although he was a son, he learned obedience through what he suffered. How is it true that Jesus would learn anything if he's the son of God? If he's true deity, how is it that he learns anything? It's the submission to the father's will this what comes to mind here is the Garden of Gethsemane. As he's praying in the garden, father, if there's any way possible, let this get past from me, but not my will, but your will be done. I think there's a measure of his humanity that's learning, dependence upon the father, dependence upon the spirit. In those things not as a deficiency to his deity, but as part of the natural progression of his humanity. Just as we learn a submission, as we learn things in our humanity, he had to learn things even as a child. He had to grow in wisdom and stature with men. And I think this is an element of that here in regarding his trust in the father and submitting to the father's will. Do you think Jesus made mistakes? No. No mistakes. Is a mistake, the same thing as a sin. No. So if Jesus was walking somewhere and did, could he have taken the wrong turn the trip or turn or, yeah. Taken the wrong turn. Yes. I, yes, I can see that. Yeah. So maybe there's a lot of assumptions that we make about Jesus and his humanity. That, and it's hard because you don't want to accidentally think heretical thoughts, right? So it's probably a good thing, but he is truly human and he is also truly divine. And putting those two pieces together has never been done before, right? Which is why we struggle with these things. Now, a verse like this. Is deceptively simple and challenging. Yeah, it says a simple thing, but putting the pieces together is what theologians could rack their heads about for their whole lives, and still maybe not be all that much closer. So with verses like this I would challenge you to let them do their damage and say, man, what is that like? How does Jesus, what did he grow up like? Right? I mean, I saw, what's his name? The comedian? The Christian comedian? Bald. Bald head? No, the other guy. Bald. Bald head. He's a black dude. Okay. I, yeah, I don't know. You don't know? Okay. Anyway, he's talking about being Jesus younger brother like James, why can't you be more like Jesus? Michael Jr. Thank you. You reminded me by looking at the page like that. Okay, Michael Jr. Why can't you be more like Jesus? Now? It's funny because there's so many questions you have about his life, and yet some of those questions will be really just can't answer. Like, did he make a mistake? Well, it depends on what you mean by mistake. Do you mean sin? No. Right? But can he trip? I suppose like why? Why not? Right? He's truly human. Did he ever get a flu bug? Why not? Right. But then if he doesn't have a sinful flesh, it gets complicated really quick. Anyway, all that to say, let it be fun for you, but no need to get too concentrated over that. I think you're onto something there. I think that distinction between mistake and sin is what we need to preserve. And so long as we're preserving that, John four, he has to sit down 'cause he's tired, he's wiped. Yeah. After the journey. Yeah. That's the frailty of his humanity there. So I think that's part of when it says that he identifies with our weaknesses and can sympathize with our weaknesses. That's part of it is that idea of, being able to say, yeah, there was genuine humanity here. Yeah, it's probably good to take verses like that and wonder at them and maybe ponder them a bit. Maybe not too much. Right. But ponder them a bit. Right. Okay. Let's go to chapter six here. Yeah, there's several que man, there's so many questions in Hebrews. Yeah. I really would like a little more time with this. That's why I was just trying to give an overview and say, okay, now let's dive into questions. Okay. Verse four. This sounds terrifying, so I'm gonna read it and then I want you to respond to it and anticipate all the questions that I and everyone else who are listening will have. Yep. Four. It's impossible. In the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift and have shared in the Holy Spirit, pastor pj Yep. And have tasted the goodness of the word of God, pastor pj. Yep. I lost my place. And the powers of the age to come and the powers of the age to come and then have fallen away. Yeah. To restore them again to repentance since they're crucifying once again, the son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt. Okay. This seems, yes. At a fair reading. I mean, just reading it out loud. You heard it? I heard it. It seems like these people were saved. And then they departed. Yeah. You said that can't happen, right? Explain. Okay. Lemme start in verse nine because in verse nine, I think we see a qualifier here that really informs verses 4, 5, 6 and following for us. Okay. 'cause the writer says, we speak in this way. Yet in your case, beloved, we feel sure of better things and then he qualifies those things. Things belonging to salvation. So in verse nine, he says, yeah, in your case, beloved, we feel better about you guys because we feel better about you guys regarding what's what we know as salvation. That tells me that what's come before this description that comes before this. Is not talking about somebody who has experienced salvation because he's saying there's better things for those that are, are, he's addressing the letter things concerning salvation. Thus these things wouldn't be concerning. Salvation. So what does the language mean here then? I think the enlightenment, again as I was alluding to a little bit in the opening here of this, this is somebody who is in the church. This is somebody who is. Shared in the Holy Spirit, in the sense that, man they're benefiting from the ministry of the Holy Spirit within the context of the church. They are spending time around other believers. They have been served by people in the church. They've been loved by people in the church. They have tasted the goodness of the word of God. They've sat under the preaching and teaching of God's word. They've sat in Bible studies. They've sat in community groups. Even they've gone through Awana or through Adventure Club. They've done all of these things, yet they've never surrendered their heart. To the Lord. They've never truly repented from their sins and put their trust in Jesus. And at some point they wake up one day and they say, you know what? It's not worth it. I'm out. And they walk away, right? First John talks about people like this. He says, they went out from us though they were never really of us. And that's what I think is going on here. There are people that have been given every opportunity and every chance to repent and put their trust in Jesus. And yet they've remained so hardhearted for so long that finally God turns them over to what they really want and they walk away and the author here is saying, Hey, you know what? For people in that situation, there are gonna be some for whom it's impossible. It's impossible to bring them back. Once they're out, they're out and there is no return. Those that would argue, that would say, this is telling me somebody can lose their salvation. The problem that that camp has is that this is telling that same group that you can't be. Saved again. So a lot of people that believe that you can lose your salvation would appeal to a text like this, but they're also gonna be the people that think that somebody who loses their salvation can be saved again by just repenting again and coming back to Jesus, this would say, Nope, once you lose your salvation, you're out. And so I don't think this is about losing salvation. I think this is a warning to those that are so close and yet have not genuinely trusted Christ. So that final passage then about crucifying once again, the Son of God, what do you make of that? Does that mean, hey, door's closed? No second chances? Is this speaking something in reference to the. Blasphemy of the spirit? Is that what we're looking at here, or is it something else? Yeah, this is another phrase in Hebrews that's difficult for us to contemplate and understand. I think, again it's similar to that concept of that we see from Paul and Romans that God is saying I'm letting you go. I'm turning you over. That there is no repentance after this. Repentance after this. Yeah. Which is it? It seems like that's what that says. And what's scary about that is that this is someone, I believe it. It's not the same thing as the blasphemy of the spirit, but I do think it's in the same category. Sure. Where once you cross a line and there is a line that God has that he knows that once you cross it. There's no turning back. There's no coming back. You have sealed your fate eternally. That is a terrifying prospect. And especially in light of some of the conversations we've been having about hell and the afterlife this is a terrifying prospect for all of us to take seriously and to really remind ourselves Yet again as we celebrate Christmas or prepare to eternity is on the line. It's, and for some, maybe they crossed that line this week. At least what we see here. According to your interpretation that I would hold as well, is that there are people in our midst who are partakers of a lot of what we're enjoying. They come to the Christmas things, maybe they enjoy the Christmas songs, and maybe they come to church on a regular basis, but at some point, unless you are truly restored, truly regenerated there's a time when you're gonna turn away. And that's scary. I don't want that to be me. Right. Maybe there's someone on the line right now. Because it's his old school radio. Maybe there's someone on the line who's afraid that this could be them, right? That they're gonna turn away from Christ and they're gonna be proven to be a false convert. What would you say to that person? Yeah, I'd come back to say, rehearse the gospel. What the gospel is repenting from your sins and putting your trust in Jesus that he died on the cross for your sins so that you can be forgiven, that he rose against that. You can live with him forever. If you believe in that. And you believe that that's true for you? That is the gospel that is salvation. After that, I would say, you know, the Bible gives us some helps. Second Peter chapter one talks about supplementing our faith with, and he gives a long list of things and he says, if you see these things in your life and see them increasing, then that's a way for you to confirm your calling and election before the Lord. That's a way for you to have confidence in your standing before the Lord. We see other passages that offer similar concepts there, so I would examine your life. I wouldn't ignore that feeling of I'm. Not sure because for some that may be God. Tugging on their heart saying you're not, and I want you to be. So I wouldn't ignore it. But I also, if you see that evidence in your life and maybe you've got somebody close to you that you trust and they know you and say, Hey, do you see fruit in my life? I'm not asking for you to pat me on the back or anything like that, but I'm insecure a little bit. I'm struggling with some doubts. Number one, pray for that. Number two, do you see evidence of God at work in my life? And if you do I'd really be encouraged by hearing that. And that might be a way for you to have your conscience, your soul sued a little bit as well. So don't ignore it, but also don't let it paralyze you. If you do examine your life and you do rehearse the gospel, you can say, okay, these things are the things that are true. Philippians four, eight, I'm gonna think about these things and not all the what ifs and the anxious thoughts that might otherwise crowd them out. That's good, and that's probably a good place for us to end. Well, let's pray. Yeah. Thanks for the book of Hebrews. As hard and scary as it can be. Lord I pray that it would be an encouragement as we read through it, as we come across these warning passages. I pray that we would be those that, that do hug the mountain closer. I pray that we would lean in more to our relationship with Christ and that we would find it to be so satisfying and such a joy that we would be able to rejoice in our confidence that we have before you and not spend our lives fearful of drifting or fearful of falling away, but just. Confident in the fact that we love Jesus so much, we can't ever fathom turning our back on him. So thanks for Christ and thanks for the gospel, and thanks for the confidence that we can have as a church, as we come together and worship you. And we pray for a great day of worship as well as we gather as the church body today. And Jesus' name, amen. Keep in your Bibles tune again tomorrow for another edition of the Daily Bible Podcast. We'll see you. Bye.

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Yeah. I would agree with everything that you said