This is Women Road warriors with Shelly Johnson and Kathy Tucaro.
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Speaker BI'm Shelley.
Speaker CAnd I'm Kathy.
Speaker BMany of us have been there.
Speaker BWe meet someone we think is the perfect match.
Speaker BA soulmate.
Speaker BThat person we can spend the rest of our lives with.
Speaker BBut sometimes we end up with a real dud.
Speaker BWe overlook the faults and foibles of the other person with the belief that we can fix that person.
Speaker BMaybe we're blinded by the dance of love.
Speaker BThat push and pull leads us down a deep rabbit hole.
Speaker BThere's a better way.
Speaker BMariah Graystone shows women how.
Speaker BShe's a love and relationship coach who helps women who are ready to break their cycle of difficult relationships.
Speaker BMariah helps women love themselves and teaches that relationships do not define us and love is unconditional.
Speaker BShe teaches people to root their security from within, not from another person.
Speaker BShe talks about things like better boundaries and unlocking love.
Speaker BSince relationships define the course of our lives, both good and bad, we wanted to talk to Mariah so we can empower women.
Speaker BWelcome, Mariah.
Speaker BThank you for being with us.
Speaker DThank you so much, Shelly and Kathy.
Speaker DI'm delighted to be here.
Speaker BThis is so exciting.
Speaker BOh, my gosh.
Speaker BI'm so looking forward to your insight.
Speaker BYou know, they say we have to kiss a lot of frogs.
Speaker BAnd it seems from my experience, I've kissed a lot of lecherous and manipulative toads who've peed on me when I picked them up.
Speaker BI'm sorry.
Speaker BThat's hilarious.
Speaker CAnd it's interesting that you say that because there's this really big frog statue in Redondo beach and I have a picture of me kissing the frog.
Speaker CAt the next picture, like I made a quote about, yeah, here's me kiss, kissing a frog, waiting for my prince.
Speaker CAnd then the next day I put the same picture, but now I'm kind of holding my head and I'm like, here's me still waiting, still an ugly toad.
Speaker BOh, my gosh.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BHow do we get it wrong?
Speaker BHow is it that we end up with some ugly toad that pees on us?
Speaker DOh, my.
Speaker DWell, I will say that, you know, people are imperfect and sometimes we Just stumble across a dud now and then.
Speaker DBut my focus is more when it's kind of a pattern.
Speaker DAnd when we find ourselves with duds consistently, that's just a sign that, you know, the human brain likes to recreate our formative dynamics.
Speaker DAnd relationships are just a really powerful mirror for how we're loving ourselves.
Speaker BHow do we get stuck in that rut?
Speaker DIt's very human nature.
Speaker DWhatever our imprinting conveyed to us is what love looks like.
Speaker DThat's what our subconscious will then seek out to recreate through our romantic relationships.
Speaker DBecause, you know, being human is just so delightful.
Speaker BOkay, so is it rooted in our childhood?
Speaker DOh, you know, like most things, yes.
Speaker BLovely.
Speaker BSo if we had a really toxic childhood, we're going to seek out toxic relationships.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker DFortunately, though, like many human impulses that are problematic, we do have the option to kind of override them and learn how to choose in alignment with our values and goals instead of, you know, operating on autopilot.
Speaker CIt's interesting that you say that.
Speaker COh, sorry, Shelly.
Speaker BNo, that's fine.
Speaker CIt's because, you know, when I.
Speaker CI grew up with an extremely volatile stepfather, and I always swore I would never, ever be with one with a guy like that.
Speaker CAnd to the point where I screamed, you know, I was very picky about who, who I was, I was dating.
Speaker CI didn't date very much just for that reason.
Speaker CAnd it turns out the very guy I married was exactly like him, exactly to the T.
Speaker CAnd when I realized that, I instantly file for divorce.
Speaker CI'm like, nope, I'm not reliving this thing.
Speaker CNo way.
Speaker DYeah.
Speaker DIt's remarkable how skilled our subconscious mind is at picking up on things in people from micro expressions, pheromones, just manners of carrying themselves, communication style.
Speaker DAnd it just knows how to find the person who will help us recreate those formative dynamics, even when consciously we're so sure we're picking someone different.
Speaker BSo how do we override our subconscious?
Speaker BI mean, that's, it's like it's working against us.
Speaker DYes.
Speaker DAnd that is the million dollar question.
Speaker DIt's a process.
Speaker DIt's a healing, a healing journey of, you know, letting our relationship serve as a mirror to see what, what comes up, what gets triggered.
Speaker DAnd that helps us start to get some clarity on these patterns.
Speaker DAnd then, honestly, coaching is a great second mirror.
Speaker DYou know, we can't see the back of our head without two mirrors.
Speaker DAnd a relationship can serve as a really powerful mirror.
Speaker DAnd coaching can help serve as that secondary mirror to start to bring some clarity to what's actually going on so we can start to see the forest through the trees and find a path out.
Speaker BIt really is the forest through the trees when you think about it.
Speaker BAnd people don't really see what's happening until they're knee deep in alligators or whatever else.
Speaker BAnd when you talk about a mirror.
Speaker BSo it's a matter of what?
Speaker BSeeing that that relationship's a reflection on what's going on in our subconscious.
Speaker BIs that essentially it or.
Speaker DYep, basically.
Speaker DAs an example for myself, my father was not abusive, but, you know, he tried to love me the best he could.
Speaker DAnd as a result, long story short, I ended up with a picture in my mind that love is trying to earn.
Speaker DLike, the picture of love is me trying to earn love, not actually having it.
Speaker DSo I'm attracted to men who let me chase them and give me that experience of having to kind of prove myself or feel like I'm earning the love.
Speaker DAnd simultaneously, I end up rejecting men who are willing to offer love freely because that doesn't meet my blueprint.
Speaker DSo I have had to do a lot of inner work.
Speaker DIt's been a journey and learning how to rewire what love is.
Speaker BI've certainly encountered that, the chase me, chase me thing, these high school games, like, does he love me?
Speaker BHe didn't call.
Speaker BWhy isn't he not calling?
Speaker BWhat's going on?
Speaker BThis power trip that some people play?
Speaker DYep, absolutely.
Speaker DAnd it was a really big eye opener for me one day when I realized that the person who I was chasing, I imagined them truly seeing me, like, looking deeply into my eyes and listening and asking and wanting to really see me.
Speaker DAnd in that most realistic visioning that I had ever done, you know, I had fantasized before, but I really tried to envision this thing I thought I was longing for.
Speaker DAnd in that vision, I recoiled.
Speaker DI was terrified of it.
Speaker DAnd I realized that I have encountered dozens of men in the course of my life that have been willing to show up and be there and offer love.
Speaker DAnd I was never attracted to any of them.
Speaker CI was thinking the same thing after I got.
Speaker CI made that initial mental association with my first husband and my step and my stepfather.
Speaker CI would have been fine, but I started drinking heavily.
Speaker CAnd then my decision making went from bad to worse.
Speaker CAnd it took me to go to therapy at the age of 40 when I had to actually ask the counselor what the word boundaries meant and what codependency meant.
Speaker CIt took that, and it took me to unlearn all my traditional brainwashing, all my Thinking patterns, everything.
Speaker CI had to reshape and redefine who I was and relearn what.
Speaker CWho Kathy was, you know, at the age of 40.
Speaker CWell, once I did that, then I was able to recognize the pattern.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker CAnd it was only then that I was able to change what it was that, that I.
Speaker CIf there was an attraction towards a man that, you know, what was attracting me, and then I could actually question my decisions, question my own thinking as to what is it about this person that is attracting, attracting me.
Speaker CAnd I really found that that made a huge difference in my mate.
Speaker DLike, I, I.
Speaker DMy next.
Speaker CMy next husband was an absolute joy.
Speaker CLike, he's just 100amazing.
Speaker CBut it took for me to recognize that there is a pattern, and I had to do the hard and dirty work of figuring out what it was.
Speaker CAnd, and it was painful and it was ugly.
Speaker CIt was not fun at all.
Speaker CIt took me a long time.
Speaker CThere's a lot of layers going on in there.
Speaker CYou just can't just pick at the top one.
Speaker CRight.
Speaker DThe just like pulling weeds.
Speaker BRight.
Speaker CYou got to get the root.
Speaker BAnd.
Speaker CAnd I had to go really deep in order to change my whole thinking.
Speaker CAnd even now, like my husband, my second husband, we split up.
Speaker CIt's been six years.
Speaker CAnd in the dating process, I am making sure of who I am allowing in my space is for the right reasons.
Speaker ARight.
Speaker DGood.
Speaker BSo, Mariah, is that some of the steps that women need to take a step back and really analyze things and write down maybe what they consider to be an ideal mate and what they expect?
Speaker DI think that's part of it.
Speaker DAnd that can be some of the more surface level work, which is important as well.
Speaker DBut a lot of the deeper level work involves things like reparenting and embodiment.
Speaker DWe have to completely reconfigure the relationship we have with ourselves to start, because that's the foundation of all of our relationships with others.
Speaker DMm.
Speaker DAnd getting in touch with our inner child, our young wounded self who lives on in us, is a really important first step.
Speaker DUm, I usually encourage people to actually start having conversations with her.
Speaker DAnd I always assure people it doesn't make you schizophrenic.
Speaker DIt feels weird and silly at first, but it has this wonderful catharsis.
Speaker DYour inner child finally starts to get to be heard, and meanwhile, it starts to sort of strengthen your inner mama bear, too.
Speaker DAnd so you're simultaneously nurturing and maturing yourself.
Speaker DAnd this is a really foundational part of the healing journey.
Speaker BHow do you have a conversation with your inner child?
Speaker DYou appear schizophrenic and you say, hey there, how are you doing?
Speaker DOh, you know, I don't know, I'm kind of scared.
Speaker DI'm feeling a little bit lonely and worried about this or that and it's like, oh, okay, well, that's really understandable.
Speaker DIt's, you know, that makes sense that you would feel that way and you just have a back and forth and ask your inner child how she's feeling and offer her some validation and literally give yourself a hug.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker BYou know, I've talked to myself for years, since I was a kid.
Speaker BI don't always listen to my own advice though.
Speaker BRight, right.
Speaker DIt's a different kind of conversation because you end up sort of, you know, a back and forth role play switching sides a little bit.
Speaker DWhereas the kind of day to day talking to yourself, it's more just like thinking out loud.
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Speaker AWelcome back to Women Road warriors with Shelly Johnson and Kathy Tucaro.
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Speaker BRelationships are a powerful mirror about how we're loving ourselves.
Speaker BThat means both bad and good relationships.
Speaker BOur early imprinting on what love looks like is what our subconscious seeks out to recreate those formative dynamics throughout our lives.
Speaker BIf it's bad, it doesn't have to stay that way.
Speaker BAs a relationship coach, Mariah Graystone helps women see the forest through the trees and find a path out of a toxic relationship.
Speaker BIt's a matter of women reconfiguring their relationships with themselves.
Speaker BShe teaches them how to find and nurture healthy relationships.
Speaker BMariah helps them get clarity on bad patterns.
Speaker BShe talks about things like better boundaries and unlocking love and how women can root their security from within.
Speaker BIt's a journey that requires inner work.
Speaker BMariah is a wonderful guide on this journey.
Speaker BShe's a highly sought after love coach that helps people break free from difficult relationships.
Speaker BMariah so I'm trying to think for listeners to get the best grasp of what you're talking about.
Speaker BHow do they define a toxic relationship?
Speaker BBecause I'm sure it's different for everyone and there are different levels of toxic relationships.
Speaker BHow do they know they're in one and how do they see that mirror is cracked?
Speaker DI would say that if you don't know that you're in a toxic relationship, now's not the time to address it because it kind of has to get painful enough for you to be motivated to address it, for the addressing it to be effective.
Speaker DAnd unfortunately, this is a little bit of a sidebar, but we can do some harm to our friends in some cases where we try to convince them that they're in a toxic relationship and they don't see it because we just end up alienating them and often driving them closer to the toxic person.
Speaker DI found when I was in a dysfunctional relationship, I don't really like the word toxic, but I was in a difficult relationship and some friends at the time were seeing some red flags that I wasn't quite seeing and they were trying to tell me things that I would also see out, you know, on social media and whatnot.
Speaker DAnd there's this common theme out there that you know is like, know your worth, ditch the loser.
Speaker DGet with someone who deserves your love.
Speaker DAnd while this isn't exactly wrong, the approach there can be problematic on a few different levels.
Speaker DKnow your worth can come across like you're doing it wrong.
Speaker DLike if you're already feeling unworthy and then having somebody tell you that you're not even loving yourself.
Speaker DRight.
Speaker DThat can kind of deepen the problem.
Speaker DAnd then the ditch the loser aspect also then starts to plant seeds of doubt in yourself because your heart is telling you that you love this person and other people are telling you that you shouldn't.
Speaker DAnd so that's sowing seeds of doubt rather than self trust.
Speaker DAnd then get with someone who deserves your love also reinforces this fear that under certain circumstances, we night might not be deserving of love.
Speaker DSo my message that I am a huge advocate for is we don't have to sacrifice our compassion in order to become empowered.
Speaker DIf we empower our compassion, it will become big enough for ourselves as well as others.
Speaker BI like that.
Speaker BYou know, there's a lot of women who end up being stuck in relationships and they may recognize that it's dysfunctional, but they may have children and their financial resources, they stay.
Speaker BIt's the security.
Speaker BIt's better than being, say, on the street.
Speaker BThey rationalize it in their minds or it may even be a case of like Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BAnd they can't break away, even though deep down they know this is not good.
Speaker DIn, in cases where it seems to borderline Stockholm syndrome, I would recommend therapy.
Speaker DIn cases where you're really truly wanting to get out, but believing that you have to stay for the children and, or believing that the finances are the biggest hindrance, I would say to that, that.
Speaker DWell, actually I had a friend who was in that situation for years.
Speaker DI watched her complain and I would, you know, support her and say, yep, I know you're right, it's.
Speaker DIt's awful.
Speaker DYou have some options.
Speaker DI understand why you're turning them down, but.
Speaker DAnd I would just listen to her and support her.
Speaker DAnd I a few times told her that when it gets painful enough, she'll find a way.
Speaker DAnd sure enough, it did.
Speaker DThere was actually a little bit of a catalyst involved.
Speaker DHer father passed away and that really helped her have appreciation for the impermanence of life.
Speaker DAnd she decided that she was done and the universe brought resources to her.
Speaker DOne of her neighbors is leaving for a year and invited her to pet sit.
Speaker DAnd so now she gets to live in a separate space right across the street.
Speaker DSo the child can very easily go between the homes and it's not costing her anything extra.
Speaker DAnd in the meantime, she is able to start pursuing her dreams that she has been just not had the resources, like internal resources to devote to.
Speaker DAnd now that she has some more space from the difficult relationship, she's feeling more invigorated and feels like the world is opening up for her.
Speaker DAnd sometimes it's not a sexy message, but sometimes we just have to wait until it gets painful enough.
Speaker DAnd that's with a caveat of saying, as long as you're not in actual physical harm, sure.
Speaker BShe's actually discovering herself without that person.
Speaker BBecause in.
Speaker BIn these kind of relationships, you lose yourself.
Speaker DYeah.
Speaker CBut there's signs and symptoms of relationships that aren't healthy.
Speaker CYeah.
Speaker CAnd can you just maybe name a few for people that don't really maybe.
Speaker DAren'T aware of what they should be.
Speaker CKind of watching out?
Speaker DFor?
Speaker DSure.
Speaker DWell, there are some universal things that I could talk about in terms of, you know, feeling like you're losing yourself or feeling isolated from your friends, or feeling like you're never really able to pursue your dreams or.
Speaker DJohn Gottman has the four horsemen of the relational apocalypse.
Speaker DI know one of them is contempt, another is stonewalling.
Speaker DI don't recall the other two, but those are also some good indications of problems in the relationship.
Speaker DBut for me, what I think is really helpful and a little bit more easy to identify and make it more personal is write out a list of your core values and grand goals.
Speaker DAnd by that I mean values can be things like connection, integrity, etc.
Speaker DAnd I think if you come up with about, there's a lot of them and we all resonate with most of them.
Speaker DBut if you can kind of pick your top five, this can help with like a compass heading and then your goals.
Speaker DWe might have a lot of means goals, but our end goals usually are in terms of growth experiences and contributions.
Speaker DWhat ways we want to grow in life, what experiences we want to have, the ways that we want to contribute to the world or even just our family or community.
Speaker DUm, so when you have some clarity on your values and goals, you can start to notice when you're out of alignment with those.
Speaker DAnd to bring the practice even deeper, when you develop a relationship with your body, and I don't just mean body image, but like bringing your awareness into your body and feeling the sensations in your body and recognizing what feels like alignment with your truth, what feels good versus anxious.
Speaker DAnd then you can start to notice when you feel out of alignment and when you have some clarity on those things, you can start to develop instead of kind of what you're talking about with external red flags, you can start to notice your internal red Flags.
Speaker DAnd for me a big one is defensiveness.
Speaker DLike it's one thing to explain yourself, especially to someone new.
Speaker DOh right, you don't know me.
Speaker DSorry that you need some more context.
Speaker DLet me explain that better.
Speaker DBut when I find myself defending like my choices or my meaning or my goodness, that's a red flag for me.
Speaker DIt's not something that comes up in all of my interactions.
Speaker DThere are plenty of relationships I have, friendships, people in my life where I don't feel like I need to defend myself.
Speaker DThose are safe relationships in connections where that behavior is coming out of me.
Speaker DThat's how I know that connection is not aligned for me.
Speaker DSo all of that to say that when you're in a relationship, if you are feeling anxious, if you're finding yourself defending yourself.
Speaker DSome other internal red flags for me are a sense of urgency or fantasy.
Speaker DAll of these types of things can help you notice when you're out of alignment.
Speaker DAnd any relationship where either person is out of alignment is doomed to fail.
Speaker BYou need to be very aware of all of these things.
Speaker BAnd I think a lot of people do go into autopilot and they aren't necessarily aware of how they're truly feeling.
Speaker BAlso when they first meet someone, they get caught up in that infatuation period where hormones are raging and that sort of thing.
Speaker BGee, then that's never a good barometer or navigation.
Speaker BThat's a bad gps.
Speaker DAt a minimum, learning to notice when you're dysregulated and knowing that when you're dysregulated you can't really trust yourself, that's a great start.
Speaker BYeah, I think that if people aren't aware, they can be drawn like a moth to a flame to the same type of person and they don't realize it and they wonder, gee, why didn't this guy or this woman work out what, what is going on?
Speaker DYep, it's honestly, I think the most foundational, beneficial practice for anyone in any sort of personal development is an awareness practice.
Speaker DAnd there's a secondary element that is required in an awareness practice and that's non judgment.
Speaker DWhen we start to become increasingly aware of ourselves, we're going to start to notice a lot more dumb things that we're doing.
Speaker DAnd it's.
Speaker DThere's going to be an inclination to judge ourselves for that.
Speaker DAnd judgment has a really powerful knack for actually keeping those patterns in place.
Speaker DAnd so learning that sort of self compassion is a really important part of the practice as well.
Speaker DAnd yeah, just strengthening our awareness about what we're doing.
Speaker DAnd why we're doing it and how it's showing up without judgment.
Speaker DIt has a really magically transformative effect in our lives.
Speaker AStay tuned for more of Women Road warriors coming up.
Speaker EDean Michael, the tax doctor here.
Speaker EI have one question for you.
Speaker EDo you want to stop worrying about the irs?
Speaker EIf the answer is yes, then look no further.
Speaker EI've been around for years, I've helped countless people across the country, and my success rate speaks for itself.
Speaker ESo now you know where to find good, honest help with your tax problems.
Speaker EWhat are you waiting for?
Speaker EIf you owe more than $10,000 to the IRS or haven't filed in years, call me now at 888-557-4020 or go to mytaxhelpmd.com for a free consultation and get your life back.
Speaker BIndustry Movement Trucking Moves America Forward is telling the story of the industry.
Speaker BOur safety champions, the Women of trucking, independent contractors, the Next generation of truckers, and more help us promote the best of our industry.
Speaker BShare your story and what you love about trucking.
Speaker BShare images of a moment you're proud of and join us on social media.
Speaker BLearn more@truckingmovesamerica.com.
Speaker AWelcome welcome back to Women Road warriors with Shelly Johnson and Kathy Tucaro.
Speaker BIt's important to know your self worth when you're in a relationship.
Speaker BSometimes it's hard to do when we give ourselves mixed messages and rationalizations.
Speaker BThe problem is too, when you have friends telling you to ditch the loser, it can actually encourage self doubt depending on our own self worth.
Speaker BGetting with someone who deserves our love often triggers feelings that we're not worthy, so we choose people who aren't good for us.
Speaker BThere are many reasons why people stay in a difficult relationship or choose partners like that.
Speaker BOur self worth is something that we need to attain and protect when we aren't in a healthy relationship.
Speaker BWe need to be compassionate with ourselves as we do a deep dive into why these are some of the things Mariah Graystone talks about.
Speaker BShe's a love and relationship coach who helps women who are ready to break their cycle of difficult relationships.
Speaker BOne of the books she's written says it all about the rebirth that she offers with the title Becoming Secure in From Push to Pull to Peace of Mind.
Speaker BMariah teaches women how to love themselves and that relationships do not define us and love is unconditional.
Speaker BShe teaches women to root their security from within, not from another person.
Speaker BShe also talks about things like having better boundaries and unlocking love and how to recognize dysfunctional relationships.
Speaker BMariah recommends to write out a list of our core values and grand goals.
Speaker BPick the top five to give us a compass heading for direction.
Speaker BWhen we have clarity on our values and goals, we'll start to notice.
Speaker BWhen we're out of alignment with the people we choose to have in our lives, we'll begin to notice our internal red flags.
Speaker BThese would include things like anxiety or defensiveness, which would indicate maybe it's not a safe relationship.
Speaker BThat's part of a vital awareness practice that also includes self compassion without judgment.
Speaker BThese are just some of the valuable insights Mariah has been sharing with us.
Speaker BMariah, so you're teaching women courage and trusting their intuition and really getting to know themselves, which perhaps they didn't have the opportunity to do as a child.
Speaker BWomen, I think more so are taught to nurture and to care for.
Speaker BAnd we can take that over the top with, oh gosh, this guy's broken or this woman's broken, I gotta fix this.
Speaker BAnd that's really where we run astray, right?
Speaker DAbsolutely.
Speaker DIn a lot of these instances, these women were brought up, and men too.
Speaker DThere's a lot of formative dynamics that led the child to believe that they were responsible for their caregivers.
Speaker DStability.
Speaker DHappiness is almost too strong.
Speaker DThey just felt responsible for their caregivers to be okay so that they could be okay.
Speaker DAnd that's where that rescuer fixer pattern comes out.
Speaker DAnd then we seek out people who we can rescue so that it completes that picture that our subconscious is seeking to recreate.
Speaker BIt's exhausting to do that sort of thing.
Speaker BAnd it really throws somebody off track of who they're supposed to be in the world.
Speaker DYeah.
Speaker DAnd even though it's exhausting, funny thing about the human brain is that it is, it is wired to maintain the status quo.
Speaker DBecause if that path didn't have a saber toothed tiger on it yesterday, even though it was full of brambles, it didn't kill us.
Speaker DSo why try a new one that might kill us?
Speaker DLet's just stick with the one that didn't kill us.
Speaker DThat's kind of the evolutionary reasoning behind it, but essentially how we grew up.
Speaker DIf that goddess, if it, if we didn't die in childhood, whatever happened, you know, to get us to adulthood, the very primal part of the brain is like, let's just keep doing that.
Speaker DAnd a lot of people end up with a nervous system that is calibrated on sort of high activity.
Speaker DAnd so even though it's kind of exhausting, it's what's comfortable to the nervous system, even though it's not overall comfortable or safe or joyful and the brain thinks like it prioritizes the an uncomfortable familiarity over the discomfort of something new.
Speaker DSo even though it's really exhausting to always be saving people, it's really uncomfortable to break through that and do things differently.
Speaker BYou get some very excellent insights here.
Speaker BIt's very empowering for women.
Speaker BYou've got two books actually that are available on Amazon.
Speaker BOne's Becoming Secure in Love From Push and Pull to Peace of Mind.
Speaker BAnd you also have a self guided workbook called the Path to Interdependence.
Speaker BI love this.
Speaker BSo people can pick this up and they can read it.
Speaker BAnd you also have information available on your website.
Speaker BIt looks like you do retreats and workshops.
Speaker BCould you touch on some of this?
Speaker BI'm seeing some really powerful topics.
Speaker BBetter Boundaries Unlocking Love, Peaceful Power Practice and of course self love, which I think a lot of us are guilty, especially women.
Speaker BWe don't love ourselves enough.
Speaker DNope.
Speaker DIf I could, I would just run around telling everybody that the solution is self love, but it doesn't really land as the problem for people.
Speaker DSo this is why I actually focus on relationships.
Speaker DThe truth is it's.
Speaker DIt's all like so many of our problems in life get resolved when we fix the relationship with ourself.
Speaker DBut a lot of people feel the pain point in their relationships with others.
Speaker DSo that's why I frame a lot of my offerings around addressing those issues.
Speaker DBut I actually talk very little about it.
Speaker DAnd I have been focused a lot on boundaries because that seems to really be speaking to people and because it's.
Speaker DI, I don't know why, but there's not much actually helpful information out there about how to develop healthy boundaries.
Speaker DThere's a lot of talk out there about kind of what they look like, but not about how to get from point A to point B.
Speaker BIt's very true.
Speaker BAnd it's a catch all term.
Speaker BIt's just kind of a popular term, you know, poor boundaries.
Speaker BYou know, people are like, what does that mean?
Speaker BDo I put up an electric fence?
Speaker BWhat the heck are you talking about?
Speaker BRight?
Speaker DYeah, yeah.
Speaker DAnd the funny thing you say about electric fence.
Speaker DI the, the terms that I use to define what most people's boundaries look like are flimsy fences and spiked walls.
Speaker BOkay.
Speaker DThere are people that say, oh, I don't have boundaries, or that person doesn't have boundaries.
Speaker DBut in reality we all do have boundaries.
Speaker DThey just look different.
Speaker DOur boundaries are essentially the limits of our precious resources.
Speaker DAnd if we have flimsy fences.
Speaker DThat's when people say, oh, you let people walk all over you.
Speaker DOr you might feel like you're being used a lot, or you say yes too often, or you're really uncomfortable saying no.
Speaker DAnd then on the flip side, there's these spiked walls where no sounds like f you and.
Speaker DOr you're just completely inaccessible.
Speaker DAnd part of the reason that those are the two common options is that most people think that those are the only two options.
Speaker DAnd so if you're, you know, afraid to hurt people, you're gonna have flimsy fences until you get walked over enough that you, like, spring the spiked walls up and you're like, ah, that's enough.
Speaker DGo away.
Speaker DLeave me alone.
Speaker DBut you've been trying to avoid that the whole time because you thought that those were the only two options.
Speaker DYou thought that saying no was automatically gonna be hurtful.
Speaker DAnd then the people who have the spiked walls, like, as a default, they do that because they think the only alternative is never saying no.
Speaker DThere is an alternative.
Speaker DThe middle way, I call selective gates.
Speaker DAnd this is where you can learn to say no without disconnecting.
Speaker DYou can follow a no with a yes.
Speaker DYou can draw your boundaries around behaviors instead of people.
Speaker DAnd there are so many beautiful ways to let boundaries actually deepen intimacy and connection in your relationships.
Speaker DAnd it's all an outcome of this same healing work that roots our security within ourselves and builds a strong foundation in ourselves of self, love and empowering our compassion.
Speaker BI love that.
Speaker BSo you can actually walk people through the steps.
Speaker BBecause if somebody is not used to putting up boundaries, healthy boundaries, they have no clue on how to do it.
Speaker DNo clue.
Speaker DYes.
Speaker DI actually offer a six.
Speaker DI'd say six to eight weeks, because as it turns out, sometimes we end up having to skip a week or two.
Speaker DBut it's a six session, one on one course, journey supported program that I call Better Boundaries.
Speaker BI love this.
Speaker BNow, do you work with people remotely?
Speaker BCan they do this via Zoom or something like that?
Speaker DYep, that's that preference.
Speaker BOkay, excellent.
Speaker BYou could be anywhere in the country, anywhere in the world.
Speaker BYep.
Speaker BAnd still partake of your vast knowledge, which is you're helping a lot of women.
Speaker BThis is terrific.
Speaker DThank you.
Speaker CYep.
Speaker DAnd then for a deeper dive, I have a Unlocking Love course.
Speaker DIt's a group program, and that one is 12 weeks.
Speaker DAnd we talk a lot about the same stuff.
Speaker DWe just break it down even further.
Speaker BSo these are actually some courses people could take.
Speaker BMaybe start with the better boundaries, then go to unlocking Love to Really go through the process.
Speaker BBecause self love is a process, isn't it?
Speaker DYes, indeed it is.
Speaker CIt's a journey.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker CIt doesn't happen overnight.
Speaker CIt doesn't change overnight.
Speaker CThere's a lot of layers, like I was saying earlier to uncovering who you really are, you know, And I think what you're doing is absolutely phenomenal because there's so many ladies out there who, who, who are looking for that assistance because it's not always easy to do it on your own, you know?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker DNope.
Speaker CAnd thank you for, for everything that you're doing.
Speaker DAbsolutely.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker DAnd I want to give a thank you also to anyone listening for whatever ways that you're showing up for yourself.
Speaker DMy mission is to empower compassion in as many souls as I can.
Speaker DI want there to be more love in the world.
Speaker DAnd every instance of showing up for yourself brings more love into the world.
Speaker BWouldn't that be wonderful?
Speaker BThere is so much division and anger and hatred and violence.
Speaker BLove is the antithesis of that.
Speaker DAbsolutely.
Speaker DI do like to say love is unconditional.
Speaker DRelationships are not.
Speaker DThat's what boundaries are for.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker BI love this.
Speaker BI saw that on your website.
Speaker BThose are words to live by.
Speaker DAgreed.
Speaker DI think one of the traps we fall into a lot is forgetting that love and relationship is not the same thing.
Speaker DYeah, yeah.
Speaker DIt's something that we do.
Speaker DBut you can love someone and leave them simultaneously.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BLove is a verb.
Speaker BYou're right.
Speaker BAnd yes, you can still love somebody but leave them because you have to love yourself too.
Speaker DAbsolutely.
Speaker BThat's a tough one to do.
Speaker BYou know, you really do feel like you're on a teeter totter.
Speaker BAnd a lot of times I think women have a hard time breaking away and showing up for themselves.
Speaker DAbsolutely, I did.
Speaker DThat difficult relationship I was in lasted seven years.
Speaker DAnd the last year of it, I painstakingly, single handedly, consciously uncoupled us because I started to realize that it was never going to be functional.
Speaker DIt took me a long time to throw everything and the kitchen sink at it so that I felt like I had given it everything I could.
Speaker DAnd once I reached that point, I was like, okay, it's, it's not going to work.
Speaker DAnd one of the things that I really had to overcome was some shame about feeling like I was weak, that I couldn't make it work.
Speaker DAnd what I eventually had to do is just accept the fact that I am a limited human and that this had brought me up to my limits and that if I couldn't love myself in it, I couldn't really love him either.
Speaker DAnd the most loving thing I could do was really accept him for who he was and where he was at and what he was capable of and fully accept me and where I was at and what I was capable of.
Speaker DAnd when I looked at that, I saw that a healthy relationship was never gonna be possible.
Speaker BThat's powerful.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BI think a lot of people are held back, too, because they don't want to view themselves as failures, and they also don't want the loss.
Speaker BI mean, even if you get rid of a relationship that's bad for you, there's still going to be that grieving that loss.
Speaker DYep.
Speaker DAnd then I'm sure someone else will relate to me on this, too.
Speaker DThere's also the fear of, oh, God, now I have to go back and start over, and my sympathies to anyone in the dating pool.
Speaker DIt is.
Speaker DIt is challenging.
Speaker DI will say one of the nice things about being more mature is, you know, it takes a couple decades to start to notice our patterns.
Speaker DI know that a lot of women feel a little bit of shame for saying, oh, I'm.
Speaker DI'm in my 40s, I'm in my 50s, and it took me this long to realize.
Speaker DAnd honestly, you.
Speaker DYou couldn't see it when you were younger because it had only happened once or twice.
Speaker DAnd it sometimes has to happen three, four, or five times before we say, okay, this is a pattern.
Speaker DNow I see it.
Speaker BYeah, it's true.
Speaker BYou have to have some sage and wisdom.
Speaker DExactly.
Speaker BYou know, that's why we have parents growing up.
Speaker BAnd hopefully they are.
Speaker BThey do healthy parenting, but they have some wisdom.
Speaker BHopefully we don't have wisdom as children, even though we think we do.
Speaker DOh, yeah.
Speaker BAnd teenage adolescence, it's amazing how we think we know everything once those hormones start raging so much.
Speaker BI remember thinking, wow, my parents knew nothing about, you know, the birds and the bees.
Speaker BHeck, how did I get here?
Speaker BYeah, they did.
Speaker BBut teenagers think that they've reinvented the world.
Speaker DWell.
Speaker DAnd then the fun thing is, there's a lot of that.
Speaker DWhatever mechanisms we develop in our grand wisdom in adolescence, we tend to keep with us and continue to believe in the soundness of them without ever stopping to reassess the.
Speaker DThe tools and the beliefs and the sort of frameworks that we carry into our lives.
Speaker BVery true.
Speaker DSo this is all very much a.
Speaker DYou know, we, we talked earlier about how it's a journey, this developing self love and this healing process.
Speaker DAnd I also like to say that it's.
Speaker DIt's a It's a lifestyle change.
Speaker DThe same way they talk about, you know, like the sustainable diets aren't like fad diets.
Speaker DThey're not temporary things.
Speaker DYou have to completely change, you know, make it a part of your lifestyle to healthy living.
Speaker DAnd in the same way, we have to start to develop lying like lifelong habits to put into place to support our self love and our self care and our.
Speaker CIsn't that the truth?
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker BYes.
Speaker CConscious work, conscious efforts.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker CBecause we tend to slip into old habits real fast.
Speaker CI'm speaking from personal experience.
Speaker BYeah.
Speaker CI have to consciously make that effort to, to keep my yoga, to keep my time, the Kathy time that's so valuable to me because it's so easy for, for me to make 10,000 excuses of other things that I had I have to do.
Speaker CBut I'm like, nope, you just get up and you get out there, girl, you first.
Speaker DAbsolutely.
Speaker DAnd this is actually a counterpart to re parenting.
Speaker DWell, it's another aspect of re parenting.
Speaker DSo on the one hand it takes a lot of self validation, but on the other hand it also takes a lot of boundaries with ourselves.
Speaker DLike a lot of times we let our inner child have all of the candy instead of say, okay, I hear you.
Speaker DI understand that you want more candy and I understand that's a little disappointing.
Speaker DYou can't have all the candy, but we're not going to eat all the candy.
Speaker BVery well said.
Speaker BMariah, you also have something about Peaceful Power Practice that you teach women as well.
Speaker BAnd then of course, your self love retreats and workshops.
Speaker BThis is really a wonderful support system for women so they can start at the beginning and work their way through, which really gives them a healthy life going forward.
Speaker DAbsolutely.
Speaker DAnd the Peaceful Power Practice is actually a virtual ashram where you.
Speaker DThere's daily posts for journal prompts and you just comment your thoughts on it.
Speaker DThere's not really interaction, but then there's monthly group coaching calls.
Speaker DAnd it's just a little anchor to keep you checking in with yourself, keep you aware of your progress and help build those healthy habits and support those healthy habits on an ongoing basis.
Speaker DAnd it was inspired by what had evolved into my own practice that was really supporting me.
Speaker DAnd I started calling it my Peaceful Power Practice.
Speaker DAnd really there's kind of five main elements.
Speaker DIt's study, self reflection, embodiment interactions and support.
Speaker DJournaling is a big aspect of that.
Speaker DMaking sure that you've got people in your life who you trust, who you feel safe with, Sage guides as well, and deepening that connection with your body.
Speaker DAnd using the opportunities of your interactions with other people and the triggers that come up and paying attention to what those are trying to present to you.
Speaker DAll of that can really become a lifestyle habit to help perpetuate and support your ongoing growth.
Speaker BThat's empowering.
Speaker BWhere do women find you?
Speaker DMy website is love coach mariah.com and my name is spelled M A R I Y A and I also am currently posting a lot on my personal Facebook.
Speaker DSo Mariah Graystone Again, M A R I Y A and it's G R A E S T O N E.
Speaker DI'm open to any sort of connections and any sort of work that we do together will always start with a free call to make sure that it's a good mutual fit.
Speaker DAnd I'm flexible about, you know, finding something that works for both of us.
Speaker BSo this is wonderful.
Speaker BAnd people can pick up your book on Amazon.
Speaker BYou have two of them becoming secure in love from push and pull to peace of mind as well as your self guided workbook which is the past to interdependence.
Speaker BThat's excellent Mariah.
Speaker BI love your insights.
Speaker BYou are going to empower so many women down the road.
Speaker DThank you.
Speaker DI hope so.
Speaker BThat's what it's about and that's what we need.
Speaker BBeing champions for ourselves and having champions in our own lives too.
Speaker DAbsolutely.
Speaker BThank you for sharing your wisdom with us.
Speaker CNo, thank you so much.
Speaker COh my God.
Speaker CSo many ladies are going to get benefit from this.
Speaker DI sure hope so.
Speaker BYes.
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