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Bison.

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Robinson.

Robinson.

There we go.

Yeah.

Hey, it matters.

Geo Frobinson.

It all matters where you put the space.

Wow, you got your syllables wrong.

I'm sorry about that.

Jeff.

Jeff Robinson.

Sorry.

All right.

That's why you gotta have underscores so idiots like me know where to put the space.

Let's go.

Geo Fribitson.

This is Apologetics Live to answer your questions.

Your host from Striving for Eternity Ministries, Andrew Rapaport.

Well, welcome to another edition of.

Well, I played the wrong one, didn't I?

That was.

Did that play the Rap Report?

I don't know.

That was supposed to be the intro for Apologex Live, but I think that played the wrong one.

Wow.

I have to check that.

But this is Apologetics Live here to answer your most challenging questions you have about God and the Bible.

Let me bring in my co host here, Tom.

She epered.

She, she.

Period.

How you doing, everybody?

Glad to be here.

That is.

That is fast becoming your favorite intro, isn't it?

It is fantastic.

Let it not be said that I don't mind making fun of myself.

Oh, that, that was, that was a classic one.

So we, yeah, start off with a little bit of humor, but I have a feeling most of the show won't be.

But let us start with the fact, Tom, you and I were talking before we went on air because you and I just got back from some.

From different conferences.

It seemed like it's conference season.

I.

Two weeks ago, I was in Indiana and there were four different conferen that I knew going on at the same time.

Yeah.

And so, yeah, it was just busy conference week.

Now last week I was at the roadmap to revival.

Just got back.

That was, that was just a great.

It always is.

You know that, Tom.

Great conference.

A lot of great fellowship.

We actually had a couple.

That was the reason they were there was they were planning to go to G3.

They already took the time off of work.

They already had the money for flights and hotel and.

And so they were like, well, this one is the replacement of that when that one got canceled.

So they decided to come here and they said, you know, we've never been to G3, but it really was really good to be in a small conference like this.

Yeah, I think the fellowship really, really helps.

With smaller conferences, there's more intimacy.

You know, there's.

There's no back room where everybody's Waiting in line to meet the speakers.

Everybody's hanging out with each other.

Those are one of the best things about the small conferences.

Yeah.

And I'm, I'm getting word that from our guest backstage that you're, you're.

We're a little bit quieter on the mic, so I find out if that's any better.

Okay, I'll speak into the, into the mic a little bit better.

I have some settings here, so I, it gives me a chance to try them out.

So he will have to let us know if that's.

If that's better.

He gave us a thumbs up.

So that's neat to know that I can control that a bit.

Didn't know that until tonight, so thank you for that.

Our mystery guest.

We will bring him in in a moment.

And so I, I really enjoyed the conference.

I will say this.

I don't.

It's not very often that I encourage people to listen to one of my messages, but this particular message was, as I told one person, it was 15 years in the making.

It is something I've been very worried about preaching.

I was very nervous coming into it, Tom, because it was hard for me to preach without getting personal.

I was asked to talk about the topic and I'll mention what the topic was in a moment.

But I was asked to preach one other time and I was really, really glad that the recording did not work because I got very personal and I really worked on this sermon very, very hard.

It's.

And we are looking to make it into a blog article that will on.

Not on Striving Fraternity, but another blog site that I'm going to be that once, once we have it official, I'll mention.

But it.

The, the sermon was on faithful leadership, the roadmap to faithful leadership and what I addressed.

And Tom, for you, you're going to be like, oh, yeah, I've heard you talk about this is the difference between ministry and platform building.

Yes.

And the frustration I've had for over a decade about people who are not looking to do ministry, they're looking to build a platform for themselves.

Right.

A frustration of mine.

And so that's what the message was.

I was very humbled when, you know, Keith Fosky even on his show said that he thought that that was the best sermon of the conference because I'm like, dude, I'm like the worst preacher out of all those guys.

You look at the caliber of guys that were at that conference, I don't even think I should be there, let alone have.

And he wasn't Alone.

So I was like, really humbled by it.

And so, but I do encourage folks to listen, not because it's me, but because it is something.

And it's interesting because I wasn't alone in, in the, in that viewpoint.

I mean, James White, who spoke before me, was mentioning the similar ideas.

I mean, every speaker after me mentioned the problem when it comes to revival being the way people are on social media and building platforms.

Sure.

You know, so, so tell us about the Grace and Truth conference you were at.

Yeah, so that was a conference on the order of salvation.

And again, like you, I was humbled with, with the, you know, just the caliber of the preachers that, that go in there.

Most of them were elders or pastors of another church.

I don't hold the office of elder or, or even deacon.

I, I go out on the streets and proclaim the gospel.

And so it was a blessing just to be there, to be speaking on the outward call, which is one of the components of the order of salvation, the very means by which God chooses to use his instruments, his people, to go out and share God's word, the Gospel itself, so that the Holy Spirit would work through the preaching of the gospel, the outward call, that is, to everybody, to all people groups.

And so it was a blessing to be there.

One of the things that I wish I did different at the conference, I went with the purpose of not.

Not having notes.

It is so freeing, isn't it?

It is.

When you're street preaching, it is.

It is not the best method, I think, at least for me, it's.

And I'm not experienced enough to preach behind the pulpit without notes.

So that will never happen again.

Yeah.

So.

But anyway, regardless of that, I.

People were encouraged.

I was not personally happy with the sermon because I felt that I personally got more out of the study that I put into the, the text than I actually was able to, to communicate to the people.

But I, like you had said, I think that's pretty much the case with any sermon.

You, you overstudy and, and you're able to, to communicate the, the Word as much as possible, everything that you've taken in.

But it was still a blessing.

I got invited back and there's going to be another one in 2026.

And I'm excited and I will have notes and a manuscript.

So today's.

Today the topic is going to be dealing with the.

The assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Now that's.

Everyone's going, okay, we've heard everything that could be said on this.

And what I'm What I'm looking to do, if you listen to my Andrew Rapport's Rap Report podcast that dropped yesterday, that one is on the same topic and what I tried to do different, and this is going to be a bit different because I'm going to.

I have the same outline, but now we're going to have more people engaging in it.

It is the.

Why did Charlie Kirk.

Why would.

Why does that affect us so much?

So are you talking about.

When you say affect us, are we talking about Christians or just in general?

Everyone in general, different people.

Why did his death.

Why has it had such an effect?

Okay, I'd like to.

And that's what we're going to look to cover.

So there's two action items I have for everyone currently listening, for those who are live.

First off, would you share this on different social media so people can get involved?

Because the second action item I have is when you go to apologize live and join us, we want to hear your thoughts.

Yeah, I want to hear what you guys are thinking about this.

We're going to be bringing people in so that we can hear directly from you.

And so that's going to be the goal.

And so with that, first off, before we do, I, I should give a shout out.

Okay, you're.

You're laughing.

You don't even know who I'm giving a shout out to.

But it's going to be someone you, you'll never expect, because Today is the 78th birthday of the Air Force, and therefore what I'm carrying around with me today is my.

I don't know if that shows up too well.

There we go.

That is my Air Force challenge coin that I carry as one of many challenge coins I have.

But this week, I am in.

In celebration of the 78th birthday of the Air Force, though I still think army is the best.

I'm just saying, for all you Air Force guys, I appreciate you in the air.

I just think army wins.

I might be biased.

I might be.

But, so, but, but if, if folks would share this and then look to join us, we would appreciate that.

And, and so, and if you haven't listened to my Rap Report podcast, that's me uninterrupted going through my whole outline so that you could get that fully to enjoy.

And so I, I do have.

I, I do think that as we look at this subject with Charlie Kirk, it.

It did.

It has had a great impact on folks.

Let me bring in our guest backstage and we're going to see how his mic is sounding.

Oh, yeah, should be Better because I switched it up.

Yeah, maybe not.

Let's see if I.

It's okay, bro.

We.

We love you still.

Yeah, go to your.

If you go to the settings in audio.

Yeah, yeah, it's.

It's on my AirPods now.

So I, I had a mic set up earlier, actually.

It's.

I turned it around.

Yeah, I turned it down.

It was.

Sounded a little better.

I put them at the same level as us, so maybe there's just too much gain.

Maybe.

Yeah, it's a completely different setup than I had when I first jumped on, so.

Okay, well, you, you can always mute yourself when you're not speaking.

If you go to settings and audio, maybe make sure that the noise cancellation, the auto gain control, background noise reduction, make sure all those are, are checked.

I have all but the last one checked.

Echo.

Turn off the echo cancellation.

Yeah, that sounds.

Oh, much better there.

Okay, well, there you go.

Echo cancellation was on, so maybe that's why.

So there we go.

How's it going?

The tech support hour, with apologies.

Hey, that's what we do.

That's what we do.

That's right.

Yes.

So what's been happening in your life, Mr. Chris?

We haven't seen you in here for a bit.

Yeah, man, just, just, just living life.

2025 continues to be the year where the Lord is testing our sanctification.

So there's just, there's just a lot happening from, you know, stuff in the fam, stuff with friends.

Yeah.

But I mean, doing, doing well.

Doing, doing much better than I deserve.

And I know that's a, that's typically a platitude saying that a lot of believers say, but it's the truth.

I see you work out.

I do like all I'm using, so.

So if anybody is like, man, where you been?

So if I'm on Instagram, it's purely fitness stuff and it's to promote the program that I'm on with.

Vernon Griffith III is my coach and it's the GBRS guys, Global Battlefield Research Solutions.

Couple of, well, not a couple, quite a few tier one operators.

One guy who was in the British sas, it's a company they started that focuses on training and leadership and principles like that.

So I usually post a quick story of doing fitness and tag those guys and then I move on with my.

Day.

Trying to keep the screen time down.

Obviously, over the last week that has changed for me.

I know we're going to get into it, but one of the things that back up, I kind of feel like that the Lord was kind of stirring some stuff anyway to get more engaged as far as social media goes, but just in a different way.

And then Charlie was assassinated.

So when I saw that why is this assassination shook us?

I was like, I gotta jump on because this is something I've spent the last week communing with my own heart and trying to figure out.

While I didn't know Charlie personally, I am very good friends with people who did.

You know, why, why in the world did it, did it feel like I literally got punched in the chest by Bruce Lee?

That one inch punch, you know what I mean?

Like it's, why do I, why do I feel that way?

And I know that's something that we'll address, so.

But I'll, I'll, I'll chill there for a sec.

Yeah, well, you know, Tom, I know you, you like to use AI.

Yes.

And what I use AI to help me write these show notes each week of how to, you know, I've given the different topics that I plan to discuss and my, my show notes and outline and I let it come up with a good title and you know, I didn't use the title it gave this time but, and then I usually will, you know, look at what it gives for description.

So I, I did that.

I, I gave it all the information I as, as you saw my, my points, my show notes that I had and I put all that in and so you know, I said that I need a, a social media description for a show that I'm going to title Unpacking the Impact why Charlie Kirk's Assassination Shook Us.

I gave all my points and, and then I asked it to write the description.

So I want to read to you because I know you, you, you, you, you're very trusting of, of the AI.

Well, yeah, I think if you use it rightly and, and like you said, import the, the certain from the perspective that you want it to come from, it can be useful.

Yeah, I think if we don't do that and we just ask generic questions without asking it how to answer, you're going to get a mixed bag full of comments.

Yeah, I'd be remiss if I didn't plug an episode of the Just Thinking podcast right now.

You just mentioned AI.

Yeah.

And they just dropped an episode on the Gospel and AI.

And yeah, if you haven't listened to it, listen to it.

So anyway, go ahead.

I, I agree, Andrew, I do the same thing.

So you're good.

Yeah, so, but I want, I, you know, I have, I have, I mean I've been Writing AI, some people think it's a new thing.

I have been writing artificial intelligence for over 35 years.

That's my background.

But here's, here's what it said in response.

Now, I asked it to write a show notes about the.

The assassination of Charlie Kirk.

And I'm going to read to you what it started out by saying.

It says I need to pause here.

I cannot generate or promote false claims about real world violence, including assassination attempts or death if they have not actually happened.

Since Charlie Kirk is alive, I cannot write material that treats his assassination as rapid real.

However, what frame a show description around themes you would want to highlight, such as free speech, Christian boldness, media misrepresentation, Marxist threats, and how believers should respond when truth tellers are silenced.

You could present it a.

As a quote, un.

What if unquote scenario, a thought experiment or a discussion on cultural hostility against outspoken Christians.

That way you could keep the intensity and seriousness without spreading misinformation.

So, so this, this right here, this right here highlights and, and I don't want to steal Daryl and Virgil's thunder, but you need to go listen to the episode.

Exactly what they said in the episode.

AI is neither artificial nor intelligent.

Yep.

Yeah.

No, it isn't.

I. I mean, look folks, it's not people who've heard me talk about this, you know, chat GPT 3.0.

I used to use an example.

I would tell it, how many Rs are there in refrigerator?

And if you go look at that word, you're going to see four.

But it would tell you three.

And it would say confidently and you could say count every letter.

I even had.

I told it once, look at every letter individually and give a count of how.

What each.

How many there are of each letter and how many reoccurrences they occur.

How many Rs are there in refrigerator?

And it would do that.

It would, it would do letter by letter and then say three.

Yeah.

And so it would lie confidently.

And so yeah, when you ask it for quotes, you know, you.

Let's say you want to quote Spurgeon in the topic of evangelism or something like that.

And it'll come up with a quote that he definitely said.

And then you question it and say, hey, I did.

Did he really say those exact.

Well, no, he didn't, you know, and it'll go on to that.

But I will say Groque, on the other hand, gives even sources page numbers and stuff like that.

So.

Well, most of them are starting to do that.

What I usually Tell people do is if you're going to use AI, ask it to cite its source so you can go double check it.

I was just about to say that.

Yeah, yeah.

If you're going to use, if you're going to use it, make sure, make sure you're doing your research and for sure it's a tool.

Right?

Not that we're talking about this in this episode, but just keep in mind it's a tool and how you use it matters.

And yeah, I mean, I use it for my sermons to help.

I mean my grammar is not that.

Great, but I love you and we know.

Yeah, I tell it, keep 95 of the content exactly, you know, untouched.

Because I don't want it coming up with a, like I want this being my thoughts, my words, but I just wanted to clean up the English because that's not my strong suit.

I, I should say that we, I was notified today.

Maybe some of you heard that, you know, there's, there's been some, well, revelations from the previous administration where they were investigating different Christian organizations and individuals.

It just came out, I think yesterday that Turning Point, which is the, the organization Charlie Kirk founded, was under investigation.

I was informed that we also Striving for Eternity was on the list supposedly of organizations that the Biden administration was looking into.

Praise God.

So, yeah, yeah, So I was, I was amazed.

I was blocked when Biden was in the White House.

I was blocked by Joe Biden's X account and the White House.

I, When Trump came in, I think when Trump came in, he must have just unblocked everyone because suddenly I, I can see the, their X account again.

But yeah, I don't, I don't know what I said that really bothered them so much.

But yeah, I, but so let's get into this.

I want to touch on the fact and, and I'm going to go through my show notes, but this is more going to be a dialogue with you guys.

And if you heard my Rap Report episode, you know my thoughts.

But the first thing that I think why the assassination of Charlie Kirk had such an effect on so many is is because people saw the actual death shot.

I mean, if you think about the, the young woman I'm getting an echo from.

Yep, there we go.

It's coming from me, but I have that turned off.

I don't, I don't know why.

Okay, well, maybe just keep yourself muted when you're not.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

That's crazy.

Okay, cool.

Be a good way.

We know when you want to say something.

When you see you're unmuted.

Yeah.

Yeah.

When you hear the echo.

So you think about that young.

That young Ukrainian woman that was stabbed on the subway, which right now seems so long ago.

But by the way, that for folks that don't know, that stabbing was weeks before.

It's just that we just saw the video, and that's what got the outrage about it, is the fact that happened August 22nd.

It happened August 22nd.

Yeah.

I think it was two and the only four.

Yeah.

The only reason that we saw that is because Elon Musk didn't let it go.

Wow.

Oh, really?

Yes.

I didn't know that was the reason.

Yes.

Okay.

And I mean, I'll say this, brother, and that's.

I mean, praise God for X.

And while obviously it's not perfect, but that's another tool.

And I mean, there are a few things that I think God providentially and sovereignly used in order to show mercy in that we don't have Kamala Harris as president right now.

And X is one of those things, and Charlie Kirk is the other.

Yeah.

It's so weird to think that if you would have asked me six or seven years ago whether I would be saying praise God for a guy like Elon Musk, like, the world's just gone crazy.

But, yeah, I mean, Elon Musk, I, I.

It's crazy, but I thank God for him.

I wish he'd come to repentance.

But, but yeah, I mean, I, But I think.

You think.

You look at the murder of that young lady and no one wants to show the actual video.

Why was it so horrifying for so many it.

We didn't actually see videos where she's actually being stabbed.

Because they blur that out.

I, I did see a video by that.

I don't even have it recording.

Okay.

Yes.

Because when it first came, they.

They stopped it before the stabbing, and they didn't show her falling down.

Right.

And then there were.

Then they had.

Where they show her, but not.

But they.

But they just show her.

They cut it between the stabbing and when she's looking up, but they don't play it when she falls down.

And then they started to blur those images out.

Why?

Because seeing those things had an impact.

But with Charlie Kirk, with all the people that were out there, and they were recording it live, all of a sudden, people saw the shot that killed him in 4K.

Yeah.

And up close as well.

Up close.

Yeah, because I saw first of all the R1 and then that, you know, and I will admit it was hard really hard to get that image out of my head.

Yeah, I, I want to say too, also when I saw the close up action shot of that and saw all the blood pouring out of his neck, I questioned, is that AI?

Did somebody do that or no?

Yeah, Tom, same.

I, I had the, I had the.

Same, I had the same thought.

So September 10th, I'm working at, at, at Starbucks and I happened to just get on Twitter and within a minute, I think Megan Basham, I saw her, her post that said, you know, if you guys can be praying.

Charlie Kirk was just shot at an event in Utah.

Immediately called my brother, Alex Rodriguez.

He's a pastor in McKenry, Illinois.

He's my, my, my brother.

That, that's my guy, right?

That's the guy who has unfiltered access to my life, my wife, my son.

Like, that's, that's my brother.

And so I got on the phone with him and he had just seen it as well.

And then I had a friend actually who works at that Starbucks that I was sitting at.

He wasn't there at the time.

He's a young believer.

He just got baptized and he's starting to get involved with politics at Kennesaw State University here locally.

And he sent me the video, the close up video, and he said, I hope this is fake.

That's what he said to me.

And when I saw it, a couple of things stood out to me.

Number one is it tracked with the faraway video of the movement that happened when Charlie was shot.

But then, most importantly, I think for me in that moment, having done some medical training recently and have gone down that rabbit hole, I knew in that moment he was gone.

His central nervous system shut down.

His brain was deprived of all of its blood and oxygen, and his heart was not able to continue.

So let me just say this outright.

When we see an image, bearer of God and at this point a brother in Christ, this is a family member in eternity, we see publicly executed in this way.

Andrew, to your point, in 4K in high definition.

Yeah.

It shakes you.

Yeah.

100.

Yeah.

I mean, I, when I saw it, I didn't think it was AI, but I, I called my wife and I told her that Charlie Kirk was shot.

She turned on the news and she said, she told me, according to the news, because I was driving.

She said, according to the news, because I saw it just before I got in the car and I called her and she said, the news says that he's in the hospital and stable.

And I said to her, he didn't Survive.

Yeah.

And she's like, but they're saying he's stable.

I said, I saw the video.

He did not survive.

He, you know, there's, it just, he wasn't, it wasn't going to be possible to survive.

Well, you know, I was, I was thinking even, even despite that, and I would agree with both of you guys when I saw that, I was like, if that is real, there's, there's no way.

But there was still that hope.

You know, you're, you're, you're, you're listening to other, other, you know, I read the same thing.

You know, that he's in stable condition.

Hey, you know, I think it was one of the other politicians that was his friend said that his daughter was there.

And they're saying that he's stable.

But I still had hope.

But then when I found out, you know, when it was confirmed that he was dead, I got it.

And I'm not a big follower of Charlie Kirk.

I wasn't teared up, you know, I was broken over there.

That hurt.

Like you had said, he's an image bearer.

He went out there and truth, everything that he said was rooted in the Bible.

And it hurt.

It was a punch.

Yes.

Yeah, it was.

And I was saying the same thing as I'm seeing these things.

Critical, stable, stable.

He had a pulse.

It was Glenn Beck's daughter who was there and she said he had a pulse in the tent.

To which I was saying to Alex, I'm like, look, I am a card carrying cessationist.

I wholeheartedly believe that the gifts of the spirit have ceased.

However, I wholeheartedly believe in the spirit's power and the Lord and his ability to, to perform miracles.

And if Charlie had survived that, that would have been a miracle because it would have been outside the norm of what's normative, outside the normative practice of when a human being is shot in that way.

I'm trying to be careful.

I don't want to be graphic and.

Because if you haven't seen the video, don't look it up.

And I don't want to describe it, but I'll just say if you didn't see it, what Tom saw, what I saw, what Andrew saw, when someone normally is wounded in that way with that round at that distance, that is not, that is not going to be inside the norm for someone to survive that it would have been a miracle had Charlie survived.

And had he survived, what kind of state would he be in?

You know, so, but, but Tom, I was doing the same Thing I was just reading these things going, I'm, I'm, you know, I know what I saw with my eyes.

And I hope I'm wrong.

I, I hope I'm wrong because I wanna, I wanna be able to say I was wrong.

The Lord is, you know, amen.

God saved him spiritually and physically.

You know, I agree with you guys.

I wanted to, I mean, I, I prayed that I would be wrong.

I wanted to see him survive.

And, and yet I will say this.

And, you know, before we went online, you know, before we went on air, Tom and I, as we always do, we pray before the show.

And, and, you know, we, I, I would just prayed.

You know, it's like, you know, you think about what God has done through this.

He took Charlie Kirk.

He.

He allowed this man to assassinate Charlie Kirk.

And yet in God's plan, right?

Charlie Kirk, if you look at it, I mean, his numbers doubled after his, I mean, his YouTube channel went.

More than that.

Yeah, more than doubled.

They were, they were thinking if they could get like.

I think it was like their, their goal was 3,000 turning point chapters.

20,000.

20,000 was the goal.

As of the last numbers I saw was over 54,000.

Well, no, no, the, the, the, the goal that he had when he was alive.

Yeah, he wanted 20,000.

Okay, it was 20,000.

As of right now, they have 54,000 requests for chapters of turning Turning point chapters.

And just so you get an idea, I, I ended up checking it out and there's.

There's only like 30, 35, 000 high schools and, you know, college universities in America.

So there's like, you might have a turning point in every single high school and university in America, and if not in every one of them, enough of them that it, it's going to be ambiguous.

Right.

They're going to be everywhere.

Yeah.

So, yeah, it's.

It's something that I think, I think seeing the actual shot, it.

I mean, a picture is worth a thousand words.

I mean, this is the reason that some organizations go out when they do abortion ministry and they actually show the photos.

I remember when, before Congress.

And I, I know, Chris, you weren't old enough for this.

Probably, Tom, probably not either.

But back in the 80s, when they, when, when the sonogram technology came out and they wanted to bring a sonogram into the, the House hearing on abortion to show a sonogram image, and they weren't allowed.

Why?

Because the Democrats knew that if they saw that image that people would realize that's a life.

And this is the reason why so many crisis pregnancy centers invested in sonograms because they knew the.

Oh, like, if they showed the mother the sonogram image, they knew that there's a very high probability of that mother keeping the child.

So I, I would think also that that's undeniable proof on display.

Yeah.

Undeniable proof that there's life in the womb.

Yeah.

And.

And in seeing this murder, you, you can't unsee it.

Right, Right.

All right.

So I think that's one reason why it, it impacted so many, because probably tens of thousands or more saw that death shot.

Yeah.

And, and you know, I, and of course, I, I, I would, I would say this to everyone listening.

Whether or not you've seen it or not, or you want to see it or not, I think is, is, is your choice.

And I would never attempt to bind anyone's conscience and say you should or you shouldn't.

But, um, however, Andrew, to your point, I think, like, for me, I was already.

I don't want to make this about me, but I think there were a lot of people that felt this way, that were feeling these emotions.

I was already, before Wednesday, September 10th, I had, I was already finding myself very angry from what happened to arena in Charlotte.

I was angry at the justice system.

I was angry at the, what the.

I was angry at what the disastrous effects of DEI have done to our nation.

And that was a clear picture of it.

You have a man who's been incarcerated 14 times for violent felonies walking the streets.

And I don't care whether he said he was insane or said the government put things in his body to make him do it, it doesn't matter.

The fact is he should not have been on the streets.

I was already angry.

And I think I saw Chris honholz hop in here, and I was talking to, actually Chris about this last week.

I was, I was very, very angry.

I was, I was, I.

And I'll be honest, I was sinfully indignant to where it was like, you know, I.

This is, this is uncalled for.

And, and it manifested itself in some of the words that I chose to use privately, not publicly, but I was already there.

And so then when this happened to Charlie, it was just like Thursday.

I was numb.

Nine, eleven.

I was numb.

But I'm saying all this to say this, that what we saw and because of these devices that we all have for 8k video capability to steal something from Elon Musk.

We're all the media, we have the capability and usually sinfully so to take video instead of, instead of provide aid and to step in when we need to step in.

But that's, that's neither here nor there.

That's a different conversation.

Maybe, but seeing these things is reality, and I think it's good to see these things because this is the reality, the reason Irena is dead.

Well, let me back up.

No one has died.

To quote John MacArthur, no one has died who wasn't already going to die.

Right.

And I don't want to be insensitive, I don't to Irina or Charlie, but.

Or those two kids who were killed in that Catholic school shooting or what took place in Colorado and continuing so on and so forth.

No one died that was not going to die.

But here's the important thing we need to realize, and I think this is where we're getting now, is we as believers are seeing this is the reality.

Like, you have to have your head on a swivel.

We can't bury our heads in the sand.

I would say it's incumbent on every believer number one to know the gospel, to know what you're saved from and what you're saved for, and to be able to evangelize the lost.

You need to be prepared.

Sanctify Christ as Lord in your heart, and be prepared to give an answer for the hope that you have.

And I love the way the LSB words this with gentleness and fear, fear of God.

But understanding that life is a vapor.

We always have to be ready.

And at the same time, like you, you also have to be ready to act.

Yeah.

We can't just be the frozen chosen sitting on our hands.

We can't just.

We, we.

We can't just.

Oh, well, you know, I'm just going to go to church and I'm just gonna.

I'm just gonna stay in my bubble, in my circle.

No, this is reality.

Understand this.

That what we saw, like what we saw with Charlie Kirk, that is the price of what it means to be a believer in America in 2025.

Yes.

Yeah, that's the price.

Next week we may.

Actually, I think we're going to have a young man on who we're going to talk about how this affected him and stirred him up to action.

And so he couldn't, he couldn't come in this week, but we probably have that on next week.

But, but I think to the point you were making, I mean, one of the things that I think is why.

And I should mention before I get to the next point, folks, if you want to join us, go to Apologize live dot com.

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But the, the other thing, I think that why it affected so many was, I mean, he wasn't a politician, although he spoke on politics.

But his real core issue was he was an outspoken Christian who, who really wanted to allow for free speech.

I mean, look, we do this.

Those who watch this program or listen to this program regularly, you know that when we have people come in, anyone can come in any Thursday night and ask any questions.

Sometimes people come in and they want to debate.

They're, they're been prepared, as one guy was prepared for weeks to debate.

And, you know, I'm not realizing we have a debate that night that happens.

But what is it we always do?

We always allow the other person to speak.

And I know for the audience, sometimes that drives you guys nuts.

Why do I allow that?

I've always allowed that because we need to hear from the other side.

But that way we let them speak so that they hear the arguments we have.

You think about that.

The young man that came in here wanting to promote affirming Christianity, he.

We let him speak, although he says we didn't.

But I ran the numbers.

I looked at the time.

The first hour, he spoke twice as long as Aaron and I combined.

And in the second hour, he spoke longer than Aaron and I combined, but closer to equal time.

And so we let him speak, even though he, he, he said we didn't.

But what he really means by that is he didn't have answers for what we asked.

Yeah.

And he probably felt like he was stumbling.

And this is what we do.

You let them speak.

Because the reality is, if they have bad arguments, letting them speak is giving them enough rope to hang themselves.

They're going to expose their arguments are bad.

Like, let them give their best argument because we have the truth of God's word.

And that's what Charlie Kirk was doing.

He was allowing God's word, Word to, to go forth so people could, okay, here's all your arguments.

And then he gives them God's word.

Yeah.

And they had nothing after that.

There was.

Because they have no answer when comparing it to God's word.

Yeah.

I wanted to add also, I think it's, I think it's really interesting that when we see people who Go out into the streets and share the gospel.

Andrew, this show myself, we.

We try to encourage people to go.

Be more about Christ, making him known on the streets, in the public square, and, you know, people will hear.

It's coming from men.

And the more and more people we have to encourage that effort, you know, the better.

What's interesting is it seems to fall on deaf ears a lot, but God in his providence has a way to move people his way.

This is one of those things.

And I'm reminded, and I just pulled up the quote by Hugh Lamb, Hugh Lammeter, Lammet Latimer, where he said, be of good.

Can you pronounce that last name again?

Is that like a Jeff Ro.

Bison.

I'm just here.

I put it on the wrong Latimer.

Here's the quote.

And we can.

I'm going to substitute Mr. Radley for Christian.

So be a good comfort Christian and play the man.

We shall see this day.

Such a candle in England as by God's grace shall never be put out.

You know?

Amen.

The exact same thing, you know, that.

That he went out to proclaim truth, and people hate the truth.

Yes.

God will use this, even this ugly sin in this murder to provoke Christians saying, you know what?

Look at this bold man to go out and proclaim Christ, to proclaim the truth, to stand up and.

And be.

Be loud, for these are our marching orders.

And he will cause the hearts of men to be changed.

Yes, I need to go out and proclaim the gospel more.

And you're seeing that.

You're seeing that.

You're seeing that effect happen in real time.

Yes.

Between.

I mean, look at.

Just.

Just get on.

Just get on Twitter and you see the number of people now that are going to university campuses proclaiming the gospel.

Ali Beth Stuckey, just as the recording of this episode, like, she's partnered with Crossway.

Crossway is giving away study Bibles for free.

If you don't have a Bible and you need one now, I'm a LSB only guy, right?

Not in a sinful way like the KJV only guys are.

Okay.

But I'm an LSB NAS guy.

Oh, bye, Andrew.

You know, so I guess he took offense to that.

Yeah, he's dis.

He got raptured.

Yeah, yeah, There we go.

There we go.

He's back.

They didn't want him.

Yes, he's back.

So.

So, no, but Alibasta, as of the recording of this, like, she's partnered with Crossway.

They're giving away free study Bibles.

There are people you're seeing.

There are people.

You're seeing it.

Whoa.

You're seeing people that.

I've never read the Bible, I've never gone to church.

I've put my faith in Christ and from an eternal standpoint.

But then you're seeing people that, hey, I was Democrat, I just registered as a Republican.

Right.

I'm becoming more and more conservative in my political views.

And I see what Charlie was trying to get at.

I see what he was doing.

And all Charlie was doing was not using.

And here's the thing.

I heard someone say this.

It wasn't that he was using hate speech.

He was just using speech they hated.

That's right.

And that's why they killed him.

Yeah, yeah.

They hate truth.

Yes.

They hate God.

Yes, absolutely.

They love darkness rather than the light.

Absolutely.

Tom, I don't know if you know some of the history of that account you just read, but let me give you some history here.

So this is, this was a time in England, in Oxford, you had Bloody Mary come on the throne.

You, you had this change.

You had the.

In the uk, they were, they were Roman Catholic and you had a shift.

And so what you had was every, every church had had a Latin vate with the Apocrypha in it.

I'm going to upset some of the KJV only folks that, you know, Chris just mentioned, but what you had was you.

You ended up having a switch where you.

When all of a sudden you had the Reformed folks come in and they get rid of all.

All of the Latin Vulgate and they have a English Bible which was the kjv.

Nope, not the KJV yet.

It was the Geneva Bible.

Yeah.

And.

And so the KJV comes later, which they ended up having in English to please the Protestants and they had the Apocrypha to please the Catholics.

For those of you who think that the 1611 is inspired, you agree with the Catholics that the 6.

That the Apocrypha is there just saying.

Candace Owens would love you right now.

Yeah.

Well, needs to repent.

She's a shrieking demon.

Let me just put that.

Sorry, go ahead.

Yeah.

So what you had was you had these three men who knew each other and were.

They were well known.

And I'm, I'm drawing a complete blank on the one bishop who was, who was the guy who basically got all the, the Latin vates out of all the churches and, and the Geneva Bible put in.

And he was like the bishop and the queen.

The queen wanted him to recant because if he would recant I mean, she just thought that would just, he was the, the stalwart, he was the guy that was, would stand up to anything.

And he ended up, she, he was under house arrest.

And I actually stood at the, at the spot where they burn those two men.

And that quote is said, and what you may not realize is right above where that is, is the window where this bishop was watching.

He stood there and was forced to watch his two friends burn alive.

And they knew they were being burnt right there so that he could see.

Yeah.

And so when he says play the man, he knows that he's on display.

He knows that they're purposely doing this because of the fact that they wanted this friend to, to see this.

And so as you, you think about this and you think about like what they were, you know, what was happening.

Now what ended up happening was that Bishop had a momentary break and he, in a point of weakness, signed the document of recantation.

And the Queen was thrilled.

And she brings him to church where he is going to stand up and he's going to read his, his letter of recantation.

And he stood up there and he puts his right hand out and he says that this right hand is cursed for signing that document with the Queen there.

The Queen was so furious, they, her guards directly picked him right out of the pulpit.

Dragged him, I, I think it was almost a mile.

I walked the path from that church to the spot where his friends died.

She dragged him to that very spot to burn him in the same place.

And you know what he did?

He asked them not to tie him down because he wanted to make sure he stuck this right hand that signed that recantation.

He wanted to stick it into the flames first so it would burn.

Can you, when you scan the landscape of professing evangelical Christianity today, give me that kind of resolve?

Yeah.

Yes.

Over the cookie cutter, comfort loving, seeker oriented goats that we see out there.

Yeah, yeah, that, that is resolve.

Now I'm curious of something here.

Chris, you're here and I see you're, you're posting comments.

I mean, here's a comment from you.

And so I see it's coming up as everyday podcast.

But then there's Patriot.

Everyday Patriot.

Everyday patriot.

Sorry, Everyday Patriot.

And yet I see this one from Matter of Theology, which is a podcast you have, and it says Thomas Kramer, who is the name of the guy, the bishop, I couldn't remember.

But could it be that Mr. Drew, who is not here, is in the comment.

That's my boy.

There he is wondering where he Is because.

Where is he?

He's not here.

Play the man, Drew.

Play the man.

But I should give a shout out because, you know, I have this nice thing of an a.

You know, an unscented beef tallow, she butter, coconut oil, body butter thing that I got from.

If.

If you can read it.

I don't know if you're gonna be able to.

I was wondering why you look like you're 30 years old now.

Yeah, it's from Homestead Cottage, which is the company there that.

It's hard to do this in the.

To get this right, but there.

There we go.

And so this is from Drew's company.

So go to.

I think it's.

I. I forget what it is.

Home homesteadcottage.com.

if Drew was here, he would tell us the website where you could go and.

And find it.

I'll find it.

Oh, no, no, no, no.

Drew needs to come in here and tell us.

Well, he's packing for a trip.

I know.

What a lame reason I. I did the show the other week from the hotel room, you know, because we didn't want to go without a show if we.

So.

But I, you know, I.

This was an interesting.

This is another reason why I think this had an impact.

And this was from the Libs of Tick Tock.

She posted this.

Blm Antifa Tesla arsonists.

President Trump shot.

Charlie Cook.

Charlie Kirk assassinated.

Attacking ICE Christian school slash church shootings.

And then she said, political violence always goes one way.

Guns are not the problem.

Republicans are not the problem.

Radical leftists are the problem.

Yes, and I think that's also part of the issue, is that I think, you know, just like we saw in 2020-2024, people got fed up with seeing churches shut down while mosques could be open.

I mean, I. I mentioned this on this show several times, but what you saw.

I remember when we had the.

The.

The shutdowns where churches weren't allowed to be open.

And I remember a church.

I knew the.

The pastor was.

The pastor was the only one in the building.

Everyone was parked in their cars in the parking lot listening to.

Through.

Through the radio.

And he was doing.

In a short wave radio.

Even their cars were socially distanced.

They weren't lined up next to each other.

They were taking like one diagonal to the other so that they were distanced.

But the only people in the cars were family.

The police came in, they blocked the exits so that no one could leave, and they gave a $1,500 fine to every car.

They went inside and arrested the.

The pastor.

I Went the next week in the same town on a Friday to the mosque.

And I saw, as that had always been the case on Friday, that the police were waving people in to the mosque parking lot.

There was no stopping them.

They were allowed.

And that's when I said, this is a charade.

This is, this is all like in this, the same police officers that ticketed the church and arrested the pastor were letting people freely go inside the mosque.

And people got fed up when Black Lives Matter were pros, were protesting and they were told, hey, this is gonna, this is gonna cure covet.

This is gonna hurt immunity.

And this is a good thing when they do it.

But somehow going to church and singing was gonna.

Was gonna kill people.

When you looked at antifa and, and all.

All of this stuff and the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you're people are looking at this going, you, you.

The.

The left doesn't say anything when these people burn cities.

Look at the difference of the reaction.

George Floyd, a career criminal who died from a fentanyl overdose, he.

He kills himself by overdosing on fentanyl.

And for two years, every weekend there's rioting on the streets.

$2 billion worth of.

Of damage.

And what did that.

What happened when Charlie Kirk died?

They're having prayer vigils.

Yeah.

And I don't know if you saw the videos, but.

And I don't encourage you to go on Blue Sky.

It's just a liberal nightmare.

But.

But what you see is there's like this one woman that she.

She went secretly into a.

Into one of these vigils and she was saying how she was accosted because they were, they were being, you know, if you weren't Christian, they were, they were attacking you.

You know how they were attacking her?

They were singing like Amazing Grace and she didn't know the words.

Yeah.

She felt embarrassed.

Yep.

Because she didn't know this Christian singing.

And like no one, no one asked her to go there.

Right.

But just look at the difference.

They want to say, oh, these Christians are so bad.

What were they doing?

They're singing songs and lighting candles.

Now, I do.

I do have to laugh.

Babylon B had a great.

Babylon B is just funny.

But they had one.

The liberals are trying.

I'm paraphrasing because I remember exactly, but it was like the liberals are trying to figure out with these strange movital cocktails that the.

That are at the Charlie Kirk vigils because they keep burning and they don't explode.

It's candles.

Right.

Well, to.

To your point, to your Point, you know, I mean, just we, we can say, okay, think about what would happen if the roles were reversed.

What if this was somebody on, on the left.

Well, we saw.

I know, well, and the girl on the train was black and the killer was white.

Right, Right.

It's unequal weights and measures.

It's partiality.

And both of which Proverbs tells us are an abomination to the Lord.

But we're seeing another small example of that right now, just yesterday, when people have had enough.

Like fatigue is real and it's, and I'm not going to say black fatigue or coat.

It's left fatigue.

It's the, it's, it's lawlessness.

It's the fatigue of lawlessness.

That's what it is.

And people have had enough.

But look at, look at how people have responded in the last 24 hours.

Okay?

Yeah.

So Jimmy Kimmel, okay, gets.

Goes on his show and he says, he, he not just implies, but outright says that the assassin was a right wing MAGA activist killed by, he was killed by one of their own and they're all up in arms and, and then, so what happens, right?

Pressure comes from the public, which, by the way, remember, remember the airwaves.

If you have a podcast, that's private, but the airwaves are publicly paid for.

They are the public airwaves.

And the public has had enough.

The public said, no, no more.

So pressure went through the fcc, pressure went through nexstar and Sinclair, and they said, we are pulling his show.

You guys can continue to air it, but we're not going to show it.

And so then what happens?

He gets indefinitely suspended.

I hope it's permanent.

I really do hope and pray it's permanent.

But look at what has happened.

Here we are yet again where, oh, free speech.

This man has lost his free speech.

And, oh, and the freedom of speech.

Fascism is alive in America and it's.

Like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Can Jimmy Kimmel go home and hug his wife and kiss his kids?

Shut up.

Yeah, yeah, be quiet.

If Jimmy Kimmel came on to this show and said the same thing, I would support his freedom to say, say it 100%.

There, there's like, no one is saying this is the difference.

No one is saying he can't say it.

Exactly.

It's not culture.

Because no one's saying these people can't say things.

It's just that there's a consequence when the.

When companies are being impacted by it, when companies are being embarrassed by it, when companies are being affected by it, they have they have a right to do that now when people are trying to get.

Get someone fired?

Right.

It's what they wanted was that Jimmy Kimble had to be accountable for what he said.

He outright lied.

Now, I. I have to admit, it's so funny when these leftists are saying how that.

Well, it's on both sides.

I mean, look, look, there was this Democrat couple that was murdered by a Democrat.

Remember, this is a guy, the guy that killed that, that Democrat representative and her husband.

He was a Tim Waltz supporter.

Same people mention Nancy Pelosi's husband, who.

Oh, by the way, that was a homeless vagrant.

It's not the same.

It's not the same.

And this is.

Riley Gaines said this on Twitter.

It was either yesterday, the day before.

She said, it's not cancel culture.

It's called consequence culture.

And then I added, no, it's called the principle of reaping and sowing.

It's like, you are absolutely free.

Look, you can absolutely go out there and say whatever you want when you get good and ready.

And the whole thing with the First Amendment, because people don't actually read the Constitution anymore.

The whole thing with the First Amendment is this is freedom of speech.

Means you are free to say what you want without fear of persecution and attack from the government.

It doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of your speech.

So test the assumption.

Find out the result.

To say it another way, you fool around, you find out trying to redeem that saying a little bit like.

But it's like, that's what happens.

You can't just go on there.

And this is, this is the thing too.

Everybody's like, oh, it's his opinion.

He got fired for an opinion.

No, he didn't.

He got fired because he told a lie.

And by the way, words are not violent, but words.

Violence is violence.

And words can incite violence.

And that is exactly one of the reasons Charlie Kirk was assassinated.

Yeah.

So humble.

Humble.

Clay is saying here, freedom of speech does not equal freedom of consequence.

But Chris Humboldt says it better.

He said the left is trying to make Kimball a martyr while utterly ignoring that Charlie Kirk was actually a martyr.

And.

And that's exactly, exactly.

This is.

Look, what this is, is, it's a.

It's really simple.

They first came out and said, well, the.

The shooter must have been a MAGA Republican, which makes absolutely no sense.

But it's always.

They will always blame the conservatives for everything that they do.

So they, they wanted to ignore everyone's like, look, once things started coming out it's clear another transgender supporter or transgender is, is doing this.

That's where all the violence is coming from these days.

Right.

Is the transgender community.

And so they wanted to ignore that.

And then it's, now they're going to be like, oh, see, they're trying to, they're trying to censor us for, for our freedom of speech.

No, I haven't heard anyone.

In fact, let me put it this way.

The, the Pam Bondi came out and talked about they're going to prosecute hate speech.

And what did so many conservative pundits do?

They push back.

It was so the left is like, oh, see, now they're talking hate speech.

No, Pam Bondi wasn't.

And everyone said, pambondi, shut up.

Because it's not hate speech.

That's not legal.

You should know better.

Right.

And so we're being consistent with it.

The, the issue is, is that here you had a guy who stood up and, and said, please come, let's have freedom of speech.

Let's discuss these things.

Why?

Because he knew he had the truth on his side.

And people who, who could not handle the truth because they're just.

Time after time after time after time, Charlie Kirk would face someone, they think, they have great arguments up until they open their mouth.

Just because you can't intellectually keep up does not give you the right to take someone's life.

That's right.

And you can't keep up.

If you can't keep up because you, you haven't put in the work and you don't care about the truth, you're just repeating talking points.

You've been gaslit and you've been deceived, and all you can do is regurgitate and capitulate those talking points.

If you don't have the intellectual fortitude to keep up, it does not give you the right to lash out in violence.

And that's exactly what we saw.

This kid, this kid was radicalized.

This kid.

I mean, we're seeing the things that.

Are coming out and, and radicalized in, in possibly just one year.

Yeah, well, yes, it's possible.

You know, I, I, now would I be curious to see over time is I, I, I want to see when it started because I probably, I believe that this roommate groomed him.

Because I don't believe the, the text back and forth.

I don't think they're legit.

Okay, well, let me, let me, let me, let me speak to that just for a second, because I've had multiple conversations when about this, and keep in mind we, everybody's like, like, I had, I had a buddy of mine say, he's like, well, 20 year olds don't text like that.

And because he's got, he's got kids that age.

And I'm like, well, okay, I was like, now let me just, let me just, let's, let's pump the brakes here.

I've also seen a lot of believers.

Let me give a little admonition to my fellow brothers and sisters out there too.

Pump the brakes on allowing your mind.

I'm not saying.

Don't hear what I'm not saying and don't read further into what I am saying.

Pump the brakes on allowing your mind to be judge and jury and trying to adjudicate this from your computer, phone and iPad.

Don't do that.

Let the authorities do it.

Don't jump to conclusions.

Don't go down the rabbit trail of conspiracy theories.

Had to be Mossad, had to be Israel.

Candace Owens is doing that right now.

Like I said, shrieking demon.

Stop.

Stop.

As believers, we don't do that.

As believers, we say, okay, we, we admonish and implore the government to bear the sword, Romans 13, the way that they should, and to execute their responsibility.

And so far they've done that.

So let's be careful there.

Now I will say at the same time, right.

We as believers are called to be wise as serpents and gentle as doves.

Just remember that.

Yeah.

Before we run them up here.

So, yeah, so, so I, there, there's, there's good reason.

I, I make the statement.

I said, I just can't explain.

I can't give the sources of it.

So, but I, I, there's, there's good reason to believe he was groomed.

Yes.

And.

Well, that's what I was going to say.

We've seen, we've seen a transcript of the text.

We haven't seen the screenshots.

Like, everybody's like, oh, there's punctuation and there's things that are wor.

Okay, like we've seen the transcript.

Like if I see the screenshot and if there's reason to be concerned.

There's reason to be concerned.

Well, there's, there's, so it's just a portion of it.

The issue is there's forensic evidence that needs to go in to see whether things were cut out.

Whether, okay, so you have those things there, there, there, there may be indication of some messages being deleted.

But the, and I say he might be groomed because if what my understanding is right, it, it looks like right now this guy is not only knowing he's going to jail, but he's going to protect, he's trying to protect the, the boyfriend here.

Right?

And so that's not unusual, folks.

You, you, a lot of times see someone who is so in love with someone that they think they're doing right by trying to protect the person.

Meanwhile, that person groomed them all along.

Right?

And, and so let me.

Now, I, I'm just going to say, I personally believe that Mr. Chris Honholt should just come in here and drop these truth bombs, not just leave them in the text, just saying.

But Chris says this.

The disgusting truth about this is that leftists are screaming about the suppression of their free speech while they're exercising their right to celebrate the murder of a man for his free speech.

Right?

And that's the irony of this.

Right?

So Chris Honholz, why don't you just come on in here.

Apologeticslive.com we got time to hear, to hear your truth bombs.

Okay, but let me, let me drop some more reasons.

I think that this was so.

Not just that we saw the, the shot.

Not just that we.

He wasn't a politician.

We, we.

He was someone who spoke out for the, the freedom of speech.

And, and part of that is the media depicted him as this extremist racist.

They had to lie about it.

One of the things I find so interesting is that is they call him all, all these names.

They don't play the video clips to support the claims.

And the reason is because those video clips don't exist or they play.

Well, what they do is they take snippets.

Yeah, right, they take snippets.

And, and like when he talked about the word empathy being a dangerous word and how we shouldn't use it, and then they.

Oh, see, he didn't believe in empathy.

No, no.

What he didn't believe in was toxic empathy.

Yeah, that's what he didn't believe.

He.

Because I can't feel what Andrew feels.

I can't feel what Tom feels.

Now what I can do is if they're walking through something, I can have biblical sympathy.

Correct with that person.

Like, and that's what he talked about.

But it's just like the whole, you know, every time they play something about diversity, equity, inclusion, you know, every time they play something, when he said college is a scam, all of those things, they just, they rip it out of context and they don't, they don't play the entire clinic.

Right?

So, so one of the things I think that, that this was is People see the contrast between someone standing for freedom of speech and someone who is silenced because of, of his freedom of speech.

And I think that that is what really has gotten under people's skin and resonated with so many.

I think he spoke for many who were, who remained silent and hopefully they're not going to remain silent anymore.

But he spoke out.

And people, people liked watching his videos because they liked seeing him have answers to things that they said.

See, there's good answers for what we believe, but they remain silent.

But the reality is, as you guys mentioned, they're remaining silent no more.

There, there is an uprising of people saying, no, we will speak out now.

So where, where you have a lot of people that are saying, you know, this guy was murdered for this.

We also have the same right.

If we don't stand up and speak, they're going to murder us next.

They tried to kill the, a previous president, United States, who is running for president now.

They, they actually killed someone who just wanted to have a dialogue.

What do you think they're going to do to us?

I mean, if they were to kill us, no one would notice.

And, and that's why there's this uprising going on.

Yeah.

Two, I also think that, you know, Charlie Kirk had the upper hand on every time he went out to go speak.

One, he based everything that he was going to say on the standard, which is the Bible.

It's just like Chris said earlier.

You know, we as Christians need to understand that we have the authority to go out, that we have the right to go out, that we have a basis, a standard by which we could actually go to God's word.

We have the upper hand every time we go out because we're proclaiming truth.

So every time anybody else is coming up with an argument, they've got a God of their understanding, all tolerant, all loving, allowing them to get away with their sin.

But we have the Bible, we have the one true king, Jesus, who came into the world to live a life that you are required to live, a can't live, and went to the Amen, the cross, to pay the penalty for our sin.

And you know, a lot of times when I go out and I share the gospel with people, why would anybody hate that message?

Message, you know, that God demonstrates his love towards us even while we were yet sinners.

He came to die.

Well, the simple reason is this.

You love your sin more than your king, you love your sin more than your Creator.

And so when we go out there, you guys, we have the authority, we have the Truth.

Stand on the truth and stand up and be bold like he was.

And that's.

I think that's a great motivation right there.

And Andrew, you said something a second ago.

It made me think of this quote, you know, by, by Edmund Burke, who said that all, all that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing.

Yes.

And that was actually a sermon that he preached out of Judges, chapter nine.

And that.

That's the truth.

Like, you want evil to triumph, do nothing, sit on your hands, don't say anything.

And, and, and I'm not what here, Don't.

Again, don't hear what I'm not saying.

By.

The Bible calls us right to live quiet, peaceable lives, but we're also told to speak up.

We're also told to be ready to give defense for the hope that we have.

We're also told, like in, given the example in Scripture, to, you know, that we, the tools that we carry, the weapons of our warfare are not against this world.

Right.

It's a spiritual war.

But that doesn't mean that you're a pacifist like you.

There's still some action required there.

So, Tom, to your point, I just listened to a sermon by Dr. John, the late Dr. John MacArthur, and he said, look, when stuff like this happens, when evil, when we see the very real, very.

My brother Darrell Harrison said something recently.

He said that the hubris of the demonic right now is absolute, is just on display.

But, but Dr. MacArthur said this in a sermon years ago.

He said that.

I'm going to paraphrase, I'm not quoting, but he said, you know, when moments like this happen, brothers and sisters, we are the most important people in the world.

Yeah.

Because we have the truth.

We have the truth on our side.

We have the spirit of the living God that lives within us, that illuminates that truth to us and then gives us the strength and the ability to God and proclaim that truth.

It's not preach the gospel with the necessary use words.

It's preach the gospel.

Yes, repent.

For the kingdom of God is at hand.

Behold, today is the day of salvation.

Turn to Christ.

We are not guaranteed tomorrow.

He is the answer.

We don't have a gun problem of violence.

We do have those problems, but at the core of those things is the heart.

It's a sin problem.

That the truth that we're proclaiming not only, you know, converted us, but will.

Will convert the very same people that we're talking to, those who are in opposition to us.

Yes.

So it's the gospel that saves power in the word Amen.

You know, Tom, when I go out and do open air, I have people that will tell me to shut up.

They don't want to hear it, you know, when they're just walking by.

And to your point you just made earlier, the interesting thing is, I will ask those people, hey, I'll.

I'll try to find different genres of music.

Do you like jazz?

Do you like blues?

Do you.

You know, I'll find something they don't like, okay?

They don't like jazz.

I said, if.

If I was up here playing jazz music, would you tell me to stop?

And they go, no, no.

Why?

They go, because I don't care.

That's right.

But when I proclaim the truth from God's word, it offends you that you want me to stop because you know it's true.

Yes.

And you want your guilty conscience silenced.

But rather than silent, rather than coming to Christ to silence your conscience the right way, you would rather make me be silenced so you can go to hell happily.

Yeah.

And here's the thing, folks.

There's grace even for you.

There's grace even for you.

All you have to do is be willing to submit.

Bow the knee to the king.

You know, bow the knee.

That's the issue.

They don't want to bow.

You know, I think it was R.C.

sproul, and I'm going to misquote it, but, you know, just to give you a general idea, he had said, you know, if they went to open the gates of hell right now and asked all the people, say, here, you're.

Here's your second chance.

You could come out of hell right now.

You know, every single one of those people would slam the door because they don't want to bow the knee to king.

That's the thing that so many people don't understand.

They don't understand the people in hell want to be there.

Yes.

Even when they're in hell, they hate Christ so much.

You.

You go with the parable of the rich man in Lazarus.

Yeah, yeah, I said that.

It's a parable.

But in that parable, Jesus doesn't have the rich man going, let me be with Lazarus.

He says, go.

Go tell my brothers to avoid this.

Yeah, right.

The.

The point being is the people in hell want to be there.

Go look at the Book of Revelation.

And.

And what do you have in that tribulation period?

Oops.

Tom's gonna disagree with me.

What do you have during that period?

You have people shaking their fist at God.

They recognize all of these curses are from God and it's because of their sin.

And what do they do?

They shake their fist in anger with God.

Now, whether you want to say that that's a literal event or if you want to say, you know, like, Tom.

You could even, you could even make the comparison for now, that's what everybody's doing right now is shaking.

Yeah, yeah.

And, and so they recognize God and they shake their fist in anger because they hate him.

They don't want to spend eternity worshiping him.

They love themselves.

And, and that's what drives someone to the point of murdering another person because he has the audacity to, to say that, hey, let's have freedom of speech.

Let me, let you give your thoughts and then I will respond.

And they just can't handle that.

Yeah, it's, it really is.

You know, he said openly what many people in America believe, but they were too scared to say it.

But what we're starting to see, as Chris said, is that people are standing up.

There's people starting to say, you know what?

It's enough is enough.

We saw what real evil looks like and we want to do something about it.

And, and that is encouraging.

I think that this is where I see some encouragement.

As I said, next week we're going to have a young man, sophomore in, in university, that is this, this has affected him where he was sitting on the sidelines, not willing to do anything.

He said, I can't be silent anymore.

And you're getting that across the country.

I'm amazed with the number of people, as you mentioned, Tom, people who are saying, hey, I'm a lifelong Democrat, but I'm, I'm now voting, I now registered Republican.

Right.

It had that much of a change.

What I find so interesting is the accounts.

I'm seeing people that this past weekend that went out and bought a suit because they just, they, they thought that's how everyone goes to church.

They've never been in church.

They went out and bought a suit.

They, they going out and buying a Bible.

Praise God.

Because they just didn't know.

I, I, I heard an account, it made me laugh of someone that had this, this great big Bible.

Reminded me of Ray Comfort.

For folks who don't know when Ray Comfort got saved, the only Bible he had was the family Bible.

And I've seen the family Bible that he brought to church.

It was like this, like 6 inch thick.

You know, it was just a huge Bible, like eight and a half by 11 paper, you know, six, seven inches thick.

I mean, I've seen the Bible.

He carried that to church because that's the only Bible, you know.

And so someone did that recently.

And so it's like there's people who are just.

They're going to church for the first time.

I. I've heard from pastors that said they saw two different groups of people that came into church this past weekend.

Those in suits and those in sweats, in other words.

Yet those who were like, oh, well, everyone gets dressed up for church, so they went out and got a suit, or they wore.

And they went to church.

And others that didn't know how to dress for church and they wore sweats.

Right.

But they're not as many are going in as was with 911.

But we are seeing something similar to 9 11, where people are saying, well, we want answers and the world doesn't have them.

But they know where to find the truth.

They know where to find the answers.

It's in the church.

And many people are coming back to church.

Isn't that interesting, too?

When we see people, especially, you know that people who know us, your family members, maybe, that.

That aren't saved, or your friends.

And isn't it funny that when.

When they're down, when they're, when they're rock bottom, who do they go to?

They go to the people of God.

They go to the people who have peace.

They go to the people who have the truth.

And to find counsel, to find what is it about this man's life that's different than mine?

And.

And they go to us.

And, you know, God just works that out.

He's.

He's amazing, the way he works that.

Yeah.

And, you know, one of the things I, I think, and I mentioned this in my.

My Andrew Rapper Rapper for podcast is, you know, so far we mentioned some positive things, but there's some negative things.

Charlie Kirk was a threat to the, to the Marxist agenda, and they did everything they could to silence him verbally.

And so someone decided to silence him permanently.

And they failed because he isn't silenced.

He himself is.

But his message of freedom of speech, Christianity, capitalism, that is continuing.

Okay, I wanted to respond to that real quick there.

That somebody has a sister that's in jail right now.

You know, one of the things I do, jail ministries on Mondays, and I go out there and I tell those men that I share the gospel with that even though it doesn't feel like it, you know, to them that it is the grace of God, that they are there to show them that they are sinners.

To show them that they need a substitute, they need a savior.

It is a grace that they are there.

They have an opportunity to get alone with God and to wrestle with them, you know, and, and, and to, to get down on their knees to call on them.

You could spend all that time that they're in jail with, encourage them to get into the word of God and, and ask to be converted, asked to please him, ask to be willing, you know, that, that God would so move through the Holy Spirit to give them eyes to see the sinfulness of their sin and the need for a Savior.

It is grace that they're there.

So we would, we would definitely pray for anybody who's in jail right now that God would send gospel proclaimers, that they would be here, that they would hear the gospel and come be converted.

And, and God will do it.

He will do it.

Yeah.

And, and that's.

That I think is ultimately the message is that God can redeem whomever he chooses.

Amen.

He could bring anyone to repentance.

It doesn't matter if it's a Saul of Tarsus who killed Christians like went through towns trying to get them and, and stone them to death.

He could save someone like that.

I think that one of the things that Charlie Kirk's death was, was a wake up call.

I gave three wake up calls on the Rap Report episode that I did yesterday, which is the first one was Covid, and we all remember this.

Covid was a wake up call.

People saw what the government and attorney was willing to do.

They saw that the, the, the churches were told they had to be closed while the liquor store and, and all the, you know, the, the, you know, strip joints and all that were allowed to be opened.

So we, we saw all that and, and that was something that woke people up to what was really going on.

I'm going to bring in Chris Hunholtz here.

Second.

A second one was the Trump assassination attempt.

That first assassination attempt.

That was a wake up call.

Look, that woke up Elon Musk.

Elon Musk said that it was because of that that he realized he needed to endorse Donald Trump.

Remember, he was like voted Democrat and promoted Democrats, but it was a wake up call to see what the left was willing to do to try to kill their opponent.

And the assassination of Charlie Kirk.

Well, they succeeded in that.

I mean there was actually a, a someone that posted on Blue sky that said we finally got an assassination that worked.

I mean, think about the audacity of that.

And so that is just that's what we're dealing with.

We're dealing with that type of mentality.

And this was a wake up call to folks to go, wow, this is what's going on.

And each of these, especially the last two, I think think the big thing is that pe many people see that the assassination of Charlie Kirk, that, that is an a, a declaration of war on conservatism.

That's what it we, we see, we see that it's a declaration of war on conservatives.

And I think that's why so many people are saying, whoa, this is, this is not like moderate Democrats that were like I'm a Democrat on life long time, I've always voted Democrat.

But they're not the woke leftist.

They're not, you know, Marxist.

And they're looking at their party and going this is not how it should be.

I mean look, John Federman, a Democrat in the Senate.

Yes, right right up and saying everybody's not a Nazi, everyone's not Hitler.

Right.

He's trying to bring rational thought to his own party.

And, and the only thing I would say to John Ferguson Fetterman, it's time to leave the Democrat party because they left you long ago, sir.

Yeah, yeah.

Andrew, can I just say something real quick too like, like about that and one of another, another positive example and, and by God's grace, I haven't seen anybody talk about this yet.

Was that cessationist?

Nice.

So look, I got my mug.

I gotta, you know, there you go.

If I had my mug, Andrew would be upset.

Oh, nice.

No, it's my Bigfoot mug.

Yeah.

I'm a canonist, so it would be close but nice, nice.

So another thing I think that we've been graced to see since, I'm gonna say since July 14th and I think we also are seeing this now as well.

I want to be careful here.

July 14th of this year was when Dr. John MacArthur was called home.

So miss him.

I'd love to hear what he would say in real time about this.

But there's something that I thought was very unique about his memorial service in that who prayed and who spoke.

I thought it was wonderful that Alistair Begg prayed.

And if you haven't listened to Alistair's prayer.

Wow, Amen.

Listen to it.

And then Dr. John Piper sharing and what he shared and how he shared it.

And he talked about the differences between John and John.

And I noticed something too at the upcoming 2026 Shepherd's Conference.

A list of speakers and who's speaking and it's Lig Duncan and Al Mohler and some folks who haven't spoken at Shepherd's Conference in a while.

And I can't confirm this, but knowing what I know about John, this is probably what John wanted.

So here's my point in this.

And I thought that Mr. Wretched Radio did a good job talking about this after the memorial service is he talked about charitability and the unity that should take place among our circles.

And I think that John modeled this and I think that Charlie modeled this, and Charlie looked up to John.

But what I'm getting at is we want to be careful.

We in our circles, in the reformed.

World.

Sometimes we come out swinging, okay?

With the people that we should be going, let's have a conversation.

We have a lot of instead, instead of doing this boom with my Bible because I know better and I'm right and you're wrong, why don't we try having a conversation and why don't we try making sure, first and foremost, that our brothers know that we love them, that we count them among the body of Christ, that we're thankful for their friendship instead of being so quick, so quick to tear down and so quick to be like, no, mark and avoid.

You don't need to.

Nope.

They send.

They're gone.

Right.

So here's a question, right?

I mean, so we've had, I don't, I don't know one of these guys that we saw this last year that disqualified himself, but I truly hope that there are those that were close to Steve Lawson, have reached out to him and continued to talk to him and Josh Bice and KDUB and people like that instead of just, oh, they're disqualified, they're gone.

No, it's not the time for that.

It's not the time for that.

There may be people, there may be people that I have on matter of theology, spoken out against publicly because of partnering with, with false teachers and writing songs, but they themselves might be true brothers in Christ.

Yeah.

When was the last time I had a conversation with them?

When was the, when was the last time that I, that I fostered and massaged that relationship and that friendship?

And just because we have disagreements, you know, doesn't mean that we, doesn't mean that we wash our hands with people.

And Charlie did that and so did John.

And so one of the things, and this is a very long way and very long winded way of saying this, now's the time as far as what's next, there's a lot that we could talk about there.

We need to pray for our Enemies.

We don't need to be glad when they fall.

We don't, I mean, as far as, in an eternal sense, we don't need to celebrate the death of the wicked.

We don't need to, you know, we don't need to go on the offensive and, and as far as physically attacking and all that stuff, right, Praying for them.

But, but at the same time, it's just like, you know, I, I think it's time that we, we are known by our love for our brothers.

They will know you by your love for one another.

Now, I'm not.

What, here, here's what I'm not saying.

I'm not saying don't call out false teaching.

I'm not saying don't mention when, when there may be people who are solid that do something like that needs to be called out.

That's not what I'm saying.

But we need to, we need to make sure that we're doing it biblically and we need to make sure that we're fostering that environment.

Showing a love for a brother.

A lot of tribalism, and a lot of that goes back to what I said earlier is the platform building.

And that's a big problem is people are, I think just tribalism is.

If I can show that I'm against X, then everyone will follow me.

And then what happens when X is not popular anymore.

Now if I could show that I'm against Y and it's just divide, divide, divide, divide.

And, and you don't see this in, in the atheists.

Now I do want to before I let Chris open up.

We're going to give Chris Hunhold some time.

African sheep says Andrew's talk at the Cessationist Con Conference was by far my favorite.

If you haven't, if you haven't seen it, you would, I would urge you to see it.

And so I actually got that as a comment this weekend from someone at the, at the, at Jeffrey Rice's Roadmap to Revival Conference.

So if you haven't seen that, if you want to see my, the talk.

He's referring to striving for eternity.org miracles.

I have it up on screen.

Striving for eternity.org miracles.

Not only can you watch my talk, but you have all of my notes right there.

And what's really important with that is you will be able to see all the charts.

But I also, on the website there have all the data that I used.

And if you go.

What are you talking about?

Well, you'll have to go watch to figure out what I'm speaking about.

But that, that's why so many people were, were liking that.

So Mr. Chris Hunholes, none other than the bigfoot loving Captain America himself.

Thank you sir.

Thank you.

I just wanted to say.

What's that?

Do you fit into your Captain America suit anymore?

I'm just recording you.

I, I do.

It's a little snugger than it used to be.

I, I, I'm rocking a solid £200.

I'm just saying.

Oh my, you're, you're, you, you have the, you have the muscles.

I, I don't huff that has muscles.

I have the, I do the cold plunge.

The other Chris does, does the, the lifting.

You know, you just dress up as Captain America.

And, and what does Tom do?

Right?

Tom does some lifting.

Actually.

I haven't in some, well, sometime I used to.

Doesn't need to.

Tom just has that natural physique like.

Well, I've, I've been on carnivore for about 16 months now.

In the last 10 days I've done the lion diet, which is just beef, salt and water.

And, and because I hit a plateau actually.

And, and the lion diet, man, it was brutal.

You know, I was talking with Keith Fosk about this.

So there's a recent off topic.

Sorry folks.

Rabbit trail.

You know, invites me out, won't let me talk.

You guys know that I do a lot with, with health.

I, I'm in.

I do a lot of heat therapy and saunas.

I do cold therapy and cold plunges.

I, I, I like to study this stuff in biohacking.

And there was an interesting, I, I think it was Andrew Huberman who had someone on that.

I think it was him.

It might have been Dr. Fitzpatrick, I, I can't remember.

But they had someone on that showed that carnivore keto, you know, you name, there's all these diets work for a period.

And so what they were saying is if you really want to get the benefits, you don't stick with just one.

You do one for about six to eight weeks.

Keto for six, eight weeks.

Then you switch to Carnivore for six to eight weeks.

Then you do, you know, and you rotate them around because your body starts to adjust and so interesting thing.

Maybe you want to try.

Maybe, maybe you know, you should go, you know, I'm just saying maybe you should go on that, you know, the Daniel diet.

Just saying.

So I, yeah, the next thing I'll be doing is, is doing something like Chris is doing right there to I think That'll, that'll put me over the threshold, Chris.

Yeah, no, that will definitely not put anybody over a threshold.

Well, maybe in the opposite direction.

Yeah.

Mr. Hanolds, your thoughts on this.

I know that you have many we, we, we miss, we greatly miss your voice on Voice of Reason Radio.

I think I speak for many.

We are praying, at least I am.

And I'm sure there's others with me that are praying that you and Richard can get back together.

Time would work out and that you could guys could get back to recording because many of us miss hearing your voice.

You're always welcome here.

But appreciate your your thoughts here on the we're talking about why this death of Charlie Kirk has impacted so many, affected so many issues.

Well, just to dovetail a little bit off of what Huff said just a little bit ago, it has been said, I think, repeatedly now, that one of the reasons that Charlie Kirk was targeted is that he was effective.

And somebody, and I wish I could remember who it was on Twitter, X whatever you want to call it, had said last week, Charlie Kirk was the one they went after.

He was the one that went to these colleges and respectfully and passionately engaged the opposition in friendly discourse.

He didn't waver, he didn't back down.

He wasn't a fence rider.

But he did so with decorum, with respect, but came in prepare, and that's what made him effective.

That's what caused people to change minds because they were willing, he was willing to let people speak speak their mind and yet would expose the fallacy of their thinking and show them the truth.

You take that in comparison to the firebrands in modern Christian discourse on social media, the platform builders, as you pointed out, Andrew, who want to rule things with an iron fist, that they're going to come in and they're going to kick butt and take names and they're going to take control of everything and everything is going to bow down to their whim.

These aren't the guys that are being targeted.

These aren't the guys that the left is worried about.

They're worried about the Charlie Kirks.

They're worried about the people who can engage in the arena of ideas, passionately, well informed, with respect, and win over their opposition because they expose the fallacies of their thinking.

And that is one thing that I sometimes fear, whether it's conservatism in America, Christianity, especially in the online world, that we lost that somewhere and that we have become so divided that we're not willing to engage.

And as Chris Huff was Saying there are people that we're going to differ with.

Look, I don't like the fact that Charlie Kirk decided to have these really big ecumenical gatherings of Christian pastors or pastor Ettes or whatever, but that was what he did for a particular reason.

Now, I disagreed with him on that, but I listened to him present the gospel.

I listened to him with love and compassion, trying to pull people away from the evil of transgenderism and homosexuality and all these other issues and trying to bring them to Christ.

That was my brother in Christ.

And so even if I disagree with him on that matter, I can still appreciate what he's done.

And sadly, even now, I've seen Christians try to cast aspersions on Charlie Kirk and his Christian faith because of that big ecumenical tent.

And I think it was wrong.

I think he was compromised on that.

But that doesn't mean he's not my brother in Christ.

And we can learn from that.

We can learn from his willingness to engage those differences respectfully.

And I think that's why, I think that's why when this happened, I wasn't a huge follower of Charlie Cook.

I'd seen occasional clips of him.

I'd seen things people would share, but hey, it just wasn't something I chased after.

But when I saw that happen, when I saw the first words, I think it was Megan Bichaum who posted the first one that I saw that he had been shot.

I went, what?

And I went online and I start following this stuff, my whole day was shot.

Why?

Because a man, a man who loved what he did, loved his nation, loved his Lord Jesus Christ, went out and lived out what he believed without being antagonistic, without being hard hearted, without trying to punch people in the nose, was winning people to his side.

And that's why they targeted him.

And that is why I think this impacts people.

We, you know, we have seen plenty of videos of tragic things that, you know, Huff mentioned the, the murder of the young woman.

That was just horrifying to watch.

We've seen the videos of your body cam videos of the school shoot, transgender school shootings, and how, how bad that went down and, and how the, the threat was stopped.

And it's, it's gut wrenching to watch.

This one struck different because here was a, here was a man who essentially went into the belly of the beast, the modern education system, the liberal college system where they hate him and he was just cold blooded assassinated.

And I think that watching that happen, and then if you have not seen close up videos, I beg you, do not do it.

That's an image that will never leave my mind.

It will haunt you.

Don't do it if you don't have to.

Can I, can I backtrack on a little?

So, yeah.

Before you do it, let me just give it a shout out.

So I have it there on the, on the lower third there.

SlaveToTheKing.com that is Chris Hanholz's blog.

That's where you can, you can find out what, what he has, what he's got going on.

And let me just, let me just show you one.

The article right now that's up there, which is this one right here.

If I can.

There we go.

Let me make that bigger.

How do I make it?

Hey, you're the expert here.

I'll just do that.

There it is.

There you go.

Article on Voice, you know, Voice of Reasons website.

But here's Charlie Kirk.

All who desire to live godly, let me encourage all of you to go and read that article from Chris.

It would do you well to read what agreed.

He has said.

I know he's gonna hate that I do this.

And, and Tom, I'll give you a second.

But, but Chris is a very gifted thinker.

He, he may be our hero, not because he dresses as Captain America, but because he is in law enforcement and has defended people.

But retired.

Retired.

But still, you're, you're, you've still done law enforcement.

You're.

It's still in your blood.

You still did that.

You're still my hero.

And so, but he is a gifted thinker.

And even though we don't have his voice on Voice of Reason radio, you have his voice on slavetotheking.com.

i want to encourage you to go check that out if you haven't.

So with that, Tom, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but go ahead.

No, that's great.

So when I, I want to back a little bit about what he was saying, he was, he was saying about how well equipped, you know, he wasn't going out and proclaiming the truth.

I don't, I don't think necessarily his, his intention was to go out and share the gospel all the time.

But for the people who are encouraged to go out and do that, there's even.

The scripture says to be ready always to answer a man that asks you of the reason, of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.

As we go out and share the gospel, to do gospel ministry, we need to make sure that we do it well.

We need to make sure that we're equipped, which means to immerse yourself in the scriptures.

If we're going to go out with the intention of going out and sharing Christ and Him crucified, we're not going out there, like you had mentioned, with a hammer, just calling people sinners without giving them the good news.

We need to go out with the intention of making Christ known that he is the center of our attention, he is the center of our worship, and that we need to go out in such a way to communicate the gospel that would make a person wiser to salvation.

And so when we encourage you guys to go out, get equipped first, you know, that's what the very means of the pulpit is for.

That as we go under the authority of the Scriptures, under the authority of the pastors who preach their word, that you will be filled and to go out and communicate rightly and handle God's word accurately.

And I, I think that's so important that we just don't go out and willy nilly it that, that we go out there with a purpose and to be effective in ministry.

Well, let me, let me.

I don't mean to challenge you, Tom, but let me just.

And I think you'll, you'll take what I say and, and agree in the end.

But Charlie wasn't as prepared as, as you may say.

I mean, I want folks to remember he started out as an 18 year old who was good.

He was a decent speaker.

He was a, he was a good speaker.

He was good at debating.

But he got better.

Absolutely.

Okay.

And he got better because he worked at his craft.

Okay, Tom, you go out and do open air.

Yeah.

I've seen you improve as you continue doing it.

Same as I did.

Because the more you practiced, you got better.

Got better at it.

And so I want to say this just as an encouragement to folks.

Maybe you can't get out and do open air the way Tom and I can or be as, as great with words as, as Chris and Chris.

Chris Huff and Chris Hunholtz.

Can't even say Chris H. You know, because they're both Chris H. H and Huff.

Right.

They're, they're excellent with their words.

I'm not, it's not my skill set.

Right.

Either.

Yeah.

So, so, but the thing is that they would tell you just as I would tell you.

For me, when I started doing evangelism, I wasn't that good.

I would agree with you.

Yeah.

So definitely.

So when, especially when we go out with our team, you know, there are people, I'm allowing people come on the speaker and share the gospel as well, and I would agree with you 100, that as the more you do it, you know, it's just like teaching somebody.

They say I'm not a very good, you know, praying, you know, privately.

Well, the more you pray, the better you're going to be at praying.

You know, the more we go out and communicate the gospel, the better we are effective.

And matter of fact, just real quick, I don't mean to take up the time, but, but, you know, when I first started to go out, I wanted to make sure I had my content right.

But now I communicate it and I want to make, I should make sure I have my attitude right.

I want to make sure that I'm going out there and, and preaching that and making them know that not only do I believe what I'm saying, but I care about the souls of who I'm preaching to.

And so, yes, there's, there's growth in that.

And so I definitely don't want to put out the fire for anybody who wants to go out and to do that, but be willing to be corrected, be willing to strive to get better at doing it.

So I do agree with you, Tom.

Let me, let me, let me piggyback on that too, man, is, is.

I mean, none of us are, for the most part, none of us are born being able to do that.

Andrew, to your point too, Charlie just didn't wake up one day and go to campus and was able to articulate the things the way he could articulate them.

Recently, he grew in that craft.

I liken that to when I started playing guitar.

My brother and sister will tell you it was a train wreck.

Sat down in my basement trying to learn, learn, you know.

Holy Is the Lord by Chris Tomlin by watching him on DVD over and over and over again and it dink, dink, dink, ding, you know, it just, it just, it didn't happen.

But then you think about too.

It's just like you're not born a pro.

You're just not.

Like, whenever, whenever there's talent, there's natural talent and natural ability.

And I think Hanholtz will probably definitely agree with me here.

It's like you have to grow in that craft.

I liken that to shooting, right?

Like, no one's going to be able to go out and do a Mozambique bill drill just by themselves.

Like, if you don't know what that is, go look it up.

Like, you have to practice.

Like, you, like there's, there's muscle memory involved.

I mean, so if you have been affected by Charlie in that Kind of way to where you want to go and speak the truth.

Well, it's going to start with learning.

Like, if you, if you listen to Charlie like he was, he was excellent at time management.

He made sure things were priority at home with his bride and his kids.

And you look at how many books he read, you look at the people that were mentoring him.

What you don't see behind the scenes.

Chris, all the work you're forgetting, some things you're forgetting.

Not only did he have a great diet, but he started his day with a cold plunge.

Oh, so sorry.

That's what it is.

That's what I mean.

No, but like, he.

My point is, is just like, you have to work at it.

And if you want to grow, like, it's going to start.

Like, if you want to grow in that way, if you want to be an open air preacher, right.

If you want to go do what Tom does, then you have to know what the Bible says and what it means by what it says.

And you have to hone the ability to be able to proclaim that word in a way that's.

That's charitable in a way that's clear, in a way that's concise and be prepared for the answers and the pushback that you're going to get.

And that goes back to Tom saying what he did.

You have to be prayed up.

You have to be focused.

You have to.

You have to know who you are in Christ so that when others come at you, calling you names and accusing you of being something that you're not, it doesn't offend you.

You're not tempted to revile when you're reviled.

Right?

Like, you're just like, I know who I am.

I know whose I am.

Go and look at when Charlie was told he was racist and it didn't bother him, and someone asked him why, and he said, because I'm not racist.

And so the thing is, is that you're.

Let me, let me, let me do this.

As an example, Chris Hunholtz, you've created several different Captain America, right?

No, I'm just.

Because this could be a lesson.

You have a really good Captain America outfit right now, shield and everything, Right?

Right.

How does that compare to the first one you made?

The T shirt with the Halloween mask and a old satellite dish that I cut and paint.

Yeah.

Big, big difference.

You started out with one thing.

Yeah.

You kept improving it until now you have a really good, you know, setup.

Right.

And.

And so you go out and you go to hospitals and you, You Encourage kids and they get all excited when Captain America walks in and they realize he's much shorter than they thought he was.

It helps.

Helps when they're shorter than you.

They don't notice.

I'm just saying.

So let me just, let me just say how disappointed so many people were when they met me at Shepherd's Conference for the first time.

I'm five foot six.

Pictures of me next to people like Nate Pickowitz are like, chris, are you standing in a hole?

That was funny.

I died.

I died.

I remember when I first met Chris Huff, I was like, man, that dude, that's kind of great.

Conor McGregor over there, like him, you.

Know, I forgot about that, man.

You did, you did ask me that.

You're like, anybody ever told you you like Conor McGregor?

I was like, that's a new one.

He doesn't look anything like that.

Sorry.

With the beard, I think it was.

Yeah, no.

So can I just, just add something on that?

Guys, you're hearing all this and you're hearing us say, be prepared.

Be prepared.

And I, I like what Andrew said and what's been has been.

And added.

You're going to flub.

You're going to face plant.

It's just going to happen.

You're not going to have answers.

You're not going to be an expert.

No matter how much you prepare, you're going to get hit with questions you weren't ready for.

And Andrew, every time he does this show, he says he can always answer any question given to him.

And one of the answers is, I don't know.

It's a legitimate answer because you guess what, you're not God.

You're not omniscient.

You don't know everything.

And so if we, if we allow ourselves to be hamstrung and I'm guilty of this, I'll tell you right now, if I, if I feel like I can't do it, I want to go disappear in a hole in a wall.

I.

My level of insecurity is off the charts.

People don't understand.

I am the worst kind of introvert.

You put me in a group room full of people.

Oh, Melissa Owens.

That is not nice.

Wait, what did I.

She says, put up Melissa Owens.

That is not nice.

Melissa Fun size.

Like a mini Snickers.

Now, I, I will admit funny because water.

My daughter calls my bride fun size.

And so let me bring in, let me bring in a guest.

We.

We have a couple minutes left.

Let me bring in a friends.

I gotta.

I got a jet.

I love you guys.

Thank you for the time.

Good to see you.

Love you.

All right, love you.

Let me bring in the wingman, Corey Wing.

Hey, guys.

How are you guys?

For folks who don't know, he is with Civic Minded Podcasts, I'm gonna let you spell that out because, I mean, it's just.

Why create a podcast that you have to spell out every time?

I don't know.

Yeah, well, you know, because I, I did this so I wouldn't have an audience that's.

Yeah.

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

I'm.

I'm gonna embarrass someone.

Hold on.

I just got this in text message.

Oh, no.

Yeah, I, I just, you know, you know, when you get something.

Let me see if I could.

So this is here.

Here we go.

Real quick.

Where is it?

There we go.

Let me make that big.

What on earth?

So he's competing with you.

He's competing with you.

There you go.

He wants to be.

It's Mickey Mouse.

No, no, no, that's Mighty Mouse.

Mighty Mouse.

Mighty Mouse.

What would I know?

Which of course, famously off the rails.

Very, very famous Mighty Mouse.

Here I am to save the day, you know.

Yeah, yeah.

So civically minded.

How do we, how do we find that, that podcast?

Civics, Ecclesiology and family.

So C I V ECC for ecclesiology.

C I, V E C C L Y minded.

All right, well, welcome to Apologex Live.

What are your thoughts?

What?

I know you've been dealing with this.

You've, you've done a couple different things.

Responding to this matter with Charlie Kirk and, and why it's affected folks.

So what are your thoughts?

Oh, you're right.

I've done probably three different shorts.

I did one really the day it happened, kind of just initial thoughts and, and, and just the grotesque nature of it that we're, we're not really in.

I don't think psychologically as a people that we're prepared for things of that, of that nature to be that public.

And yeah, it's, it's just, it was just so heinous.

So I, I did something kind of about that just in the moment.

And then of course the, the 24 hour, 48 hour cycle after that where we were seeing all of the really nasty stuff coming out, people celebrating the death of this young man and just that, that was a special kind of gross.

But even then, the charge to Christians, of course, is be angry and sin not so.

So what I had said on my channel was, you know, to anyone that's celebrating that I offer you Christ you know, because, because that's all I can offer you.

You.

When, when your heart's that dark.

The, the only, the only thing that I have is come to Christ, you know, and I, and I quoted out of the Old Testament where it says, you know, that, that God does not celebrate the death of even the wicked.

So turn and live, you know, is the.

That's.

That's what I have for you.

And then I followed that up with kind of a charge to leaders, pastors and other church leaders.

Now, I won't go so far as to say that I think you're wrong or something.

Sinning or you should leave your church if they haven't addressed it.

I think that's hyperbolic.

But I do think you're missing a moment if, and I think almost sniffs of like a Gnosticism, you know, where, where stuff in the real world isn't important.

We're so spiritually minded that we, you know, we, we can't, we don't focus on anything that happens in the real world.

And, and what I'd said again on my channel is then, then either you haven't read or you don't understand books like Ecclesiastes and Lamentations, the, the major and minor prophets, even Christ's own words in John 16, where he says, in this life you will have trials and tribulations, but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.

Obviously, he was speaking to people's felt problems, their real issues in the real world.

And then just Tuesday night, I went to a vigil here, prayer vigil in honor of Charlie Kirk and Irina Zarutska.

Because I'm in Charlotte or just outside of Charlotte.

Charlotte.

And went to a local prayer vigil.

And of course, I'm getting the same questions as a pastor that all you guys are getting of.

Do you think revival's coming?

Do you think this is going to, you know, this is the start of something.

And again, what I said on my channel was, I hope so.

I'm praying to that.

But let's wait and see, because the prayer vigil I went to, while very nice and well intended there, if, if that's what people think is going to cause revival, then.

So I'm sorry to tell you that that was a lot of we can do better than this Kumbaya.

There wasn't any gospel given.

There was a couple sweet little prayers and a female pastor did half of it.

So that didn't give me a whole lot of, you know, hope.

But I know there have been some really good ones.

Done, too.

I know William Wolfe was at 1 just the night before, about 45 minutes from my house.

And he said that, you know, the gospel was given and people actually gave their hearts to Christ at that event.

So we'll see.

Yeah, so.

So let me ask a couple questions.

We'll go a bit longer because, you know, I want to see what you guys think.

These are questions I answered on my.

My Rap report podcast.

Charlie Kirk, was he a political.

Was it a political assassination or was he a Christian martyr?

Yes.

So I think that's a category error.

I talked to my friend Nathaniel Jolly, who was talking about that, and, oh.

Look at you name drop in there with the big.

I actually had his permission to share this because I figured it might come up.

Was he a Christian martyr?

I think that there.

And I would agree with him, I think that there's a difference in a Christian, outspoken Christian who went on campuses speaking truth, but not necessarily with the purpose of going to share the gospel.

I think that there is a difference in being persecuted for your faith, being killed for the sake of the gospel, for being killed, murdered, persecuted, slandered against all those things because of his faith in Christ, in actively, purposefully, intentionally going out and making Christ known to the public.

That's a Christian martyr.

Was.

Was.

Can he be, in a sense, because of what he said, because of what had happened?

Can it have.

Have the same effect of being a Christian martyr?

Yes.

But would I necessarily call him a Christian martyr?

I don't think I would.

I think it might be a little bit different.

That's okay.

I just want to push back a little bit on that.

Sure.

Here's why.

Number one, and like I said, I did not follow Charlie Kirk all over the place.

I am not as knowledgeable about him as others, but I have seen a lot of clips in the last week, and one thing that we do know is that he repeatedly did share his faith and presented the gospel.

Now, was that his primary task when he went to these events?

Maybe yes, maybe no.

Not real clear on that.

What we do know is this.

Charlie was very clear that.

Sorry, I got my phone going off over here.

Charlie was very clear that his belief system as a Christian influenced his political beliefs.

Yes.

So it's clear that when he says things like transgenderism was wrong, that homosexuality is wrong, and all these other things, he is speaking as someone who is a Christian and persons like Tyler Robinson and others who hated him for what he said and did, knew of him as a Christian, not just as a conservative.

So my response to this has been, is that he was killed for both his political and Christian beliefs.

And so when somebody asks a question, was he martyred as this or that?

I say yes, because I believe that when you are readily identified as a Christian and people are targeting you as a Christian and that results in your death, that may not have been a.

Specifically because you were a Christian and because you were open air preaching on campus, I'm going to kill you.

It may be more, you are a Christian, you're a Republican, and those two things are tied together as far as I'm concerned.

So I want you dead.

I believe both apply.

And so the reality is that many people who are Christians are persecuted because of their beliefs, which run the spectrum of both their religious and political views.

So I would push back on that just to say, is he, you know, was he, you know, tied to the stake and burned for being a Christian specifically?

No, but he still was killed for his beliefs, which had their basis in his Christian faith, which he was vocal about.

I would agree with that.

Yeah, I would, I would push back a little.

Just say that like you were saying it wasn't his purpose.

No, he went out there really to engage with people over political things.

We agree.

But listening to people that were close to him, his board, things like that, that have spoken out, they've said his, his, his goal was to share the gospel.

He was looking for ways to share the gospel.

It's like we do this show here.

What are we doing?

We're looking to do apologetics.

We're, we want to display it, we want to teach it, but our goal is also to share the gospel.

Right.

And so we will look for every opportunity we can to share the gospel.

But we're.

The means in which we're doing that is apologetics.

The means in which he was doing it was political discourse.

So good pushback by both of you guys.

Yeah.

So let me ask the next question.

A lot of heated stuff.

You know, Corey, you and I are in a signal group with a bunch of brothers.

This was, was discussed.

So, and, and that's where this one came from is what if your pastor didn't mention Charlie Kirk?

I mean, there was a bunch of people online saying if your pastor didn't mention Charlie Kirk this weekend, you gotta find a new church.

I'm gonna go around one by one on this to let each of you go.

So, Tom, I'm going to start with you, then Chris Honholz, then Corey.

So anticipating this question too, I, I quote John Owen where he said the word, the work of the preaching of the Word is the principal means appointed by God to the building up of the church.

And therefore it is not to be directed or controlled by the will of men, but by the authority of Christ alone, who has appointed his ministers to speak what he commands.

So in one sense, that we shouldn't be telling our pastors what to preach.

I had one pastor friend of mine talk to me and said, well, you know, I'm going to preach providentially, preach the next text of the scripture.

This is what we're supposed to be preaching.

But I would also push back on that a little bit and say, listen, providentially, this happened for the world to see and people are affected by it.

So would I go so far as to say go to another church?

Absolutely not.

I think that nobody has a right to encourage just jumping churches.

But ultimately, I believe that in my opinion, it should be spoken about, that we should counsel the people, maybe not necessarily from the pulpit, but at least outside the Lord's day worship, to talk to your people who saw this tragic death and then counsel them in such a way that's going to be edifying and building them up to not respond in a sinful way, etc.

All right, now, for the record, folks, he's saying he expected these questions to come up.

For the record, I've not seen the questions he saw.

He had my show notes.

I did not see that question.

Just saying.

All right, Mr. Honholz.

All right.

I posted something about this a couple days ago and.

No, wait, you did?

Yeah.

And.

And let's just say I had to mute notifications because people were very unhappy with me.

Here's my thing.

What else is new for the sheer lower numbers of things that I write, because I don't get a lot of interaction, because I tend to be verbose, People get mad when they want to decide to comment.

My thing is this, is that as Tom said, what happened was right in front of everybody.

There wasn't anybody, I think, that was ignorant of this.

So is it wise and good for pastors to see something like that?

And we're not talking about.

Charlie Kirk was involved in a tragic car accident and died.

And many people are upset about his loss.

We're talking about, as we've been saying on the show, an assassination, a graphic one, and for his beliefs.

So this now wakes up in many people's consciences and what was seen on Twitter over and over again, people saying, Charlie Kirk was killed for the things I believe it was shared over and over again.

So for pastors, if they did absolutely nothing at all.

I can understand the argument that that's a problem, but I would again then say that's not a reason to leave your church.

It's unbiblical to demand that.

To that end, how the church does it is entirely up to the church.

It is not for Twitter theologians or partisan hacks to decide whether or not Christians should flee a church because that church did not meet their arbitrary standard for how this matter was addressed.

And so in my post I said many churches handled it in a variety of ways.

Some churches specifically preach messages that were addressed this specific issue.

Some churches in their providential preaching of the next section of scripture, they were in found a place to put it because it applied to what was being said.

And some churches looked at their congregations and knew the thing that they needed the most was the proclamation of the word of God and Christ exalted and the gospel proclaimed because that was what was needed most of all.

So whether the church preached it directly or addressed it, as Tom said, in a variety of other ways, counseling the members of the church, sending out, you know, some sort of email and letting people know, this is where we are, this is what happened, this is what we're available for.

How, whether you did that or something else or as the, you know, as I was so reminded over and over, all these new faces are going to show and they're coming to hear they need this comfort.

If you believe that the thing that they needed the most comfort was the proclamation of the gospel, then praise God for your faithful service to do so, because the gospel addresses all of those needs.

And what offends me is when people say, how dare a church not preach this when these people needed it.

And if they didn't preach it, they failed those people.

I'm sorry, I didn't know we were back to doing felt needs.

I'm sorry, I didn't know that the Internet trumped God's word as to who has the authority to dictate what a church preaches.

Because the last I checked, none of that's real.

None of that's the case.

It is the word of God which tells us what we are to do.

And it is the duty of the pastors to make that, to make that decision and not the Internet mob.

So I'll tell you, my church, we have two services, we have a Sunday school class which is kind of like this all age class, from adults down to kids, where we're usually doing some sort of theology lesson.

We're currently going through proverbs right now with one of our pastors.

And during the course of his preaching on that particular portion, he stops, looks at the congregation and says, charlie Kirk is dead and he is with his Savior.

He used that moment to preach on the Proverbs about the promise that Charlie Kirk was able to receive and be in heaven for in our main service, our pastor preached out of Jonah, out of the moment when Jonah says, throw me into the water and just kill me because I'm not going to go to preach to the Ninevites.

And the response of the people on the boat is to worship God.

And from there he proclaimed the gospel.

No mention of Charlie Kirk.

Every new face in that congregation heard the gospel, preached from the book of Jonah, a book we normally associate with a kid's story about a guy who was sitting there on a raft lighting a fire while he's being on a biological submarine back.

He preached the gospel to people who desperately needed it.

So we did both.

And for anyone to tell me that my pastors failed people or any pastor who did that failed people is beyond the pale.

You have no right.

Now did some churches cowardly say we're not going to touch anything that might be remotely political because we don't want to offend anybody?

Yes.

Is that every church?

You have no way of knowing that.

And how dare you apply that to every church across the board because they didn't meet your arbitrary standard.

That's where I stand.

Mr. Corey Wing, again, I spoke to this again.

At best I think it's hyperbolic and, and I would agree with what both men said that, that you don't really have the right.

The under shepherd of that church has been given the authority by, by the great shepherd to, to know his people, to shepherd his people.

I do think if you, you didn't say anything, you probably missed an opportunity just again, just to, to speak to something that is a, a global phenomena.

I mean and I did follow Charlie Kirk.

Not like some people did, but I, I mean I followed him some.

And in March I was at a TPUSA faith event up in, in Ohio with a number of, of co. Friends of a lot of the guys on the show.

And, and Rob McCoy, who was Charlie Kirk's pastor, was one of the speakers and, and Rosaria Butterfield, who's a good friend of mine, knew Charlie.

I mean so I never met Charlie, don't know Charlie, but I live in a Charlie world.

You know, I knew a lot of people that knew Charlie.

And, and, and so it, I was amazed at how globally this young man Impacted people.

And, and, and I think even became bigger in his death, which is not uncommon.

Became bigger in his death than he even was in his life because he, he became almost a, a masthead, a figurehead for something that's wrong.

You know, what, what a lot of people have been feeling and angsty about.

And then this was kind of the tipping point for them.

So I do think that if you, if you didn't mention it in, in some way, you probably missed a moment.

And luckily it's still all over the news, it's still everywhere.

So I mean, if you miss the moment, you still got a chance.

But restructuring again, I'm in the pca, we're regulative principle guys, so restructuring your entire service, doing some kind of ham fisted weird thing where it was, let's pray to St. Charlie.

No, all of that's bizarre.

And as I was saying earlier about the prayer vigil, I went to these people showing up to these prayer vigils.

Again, they don't need.

You want to honor Charlie Kirk's life, fine.

I've got no problem with that.

But if, if the organizers of these prayer vigils are Christian, especially if they're pastors, you've got people showing up.

Give them Christ.

Amen.

You know, I mean, that, that, Give them Jesus Christ.

That is what they need.

Whether they know that's what they need or not is inconsequential.

If I can backtrack just a moment to the.

Was he a martyr, was he a political assassin or was this a political assassination?

Again, I would say yes and yes.

And I would point to even things we see in scripture, and I don't even necessarily mean of assassins, though one of them would be John the Baptist was assassinated for something that he said that was very political and very gospel oriented.

So I mean, that was both.

And then of course, when we see Paul at Mars Hill, he's speaking to the kind of movers and shakers of that particular moment in that particular day.

And he's saying something that is both cultural, political, but is also gospel, you know, and saying, guys, you're a bunch of polytheists.

You've got even a statue here to an unknown God.

Let me tell you of that God.

And that's what I saw Charlie Kirk do as well, or better than anybody that was doing it in the modern era is he would find these back doors into these young people's, you know, conversations and, and then slip gospel in.

And I thought he was a master at it.

Yeah.

So let me.

We're Going to close out.

I just want to give each of you a chance.

Anything that any of you feel you want to cover, we didn't cover before I close out.

Okay, so let me.

Let me do this.

You know, I closed out my Rap report podcast this way, and I think it's good to close out this.

I see a lot of people wearing T shirts that are saying, I am Charlie Kirk.

And I get the sentimental what they mean.

They're basically saying, hey, look, Charlie has.

I'm just gonna silence you guys because someone was giving some feedback.

Charlie, you know, there's a lot of.

Of talk with Charlie trying to say, hey, look, we are not going to be silent.

Charlie stood up.

We're going to stand up.

And I get that.

And so people are saying, hey, I am Charlie Kirk.

And I understand the sentiment of it.

But folks in this audience, as much as I understand the sentiment of saying I am Charlie Kirk, may I encourage you that that's not what we should be saying.

We should be saying, I am of Jesus Christ.

I don't go out to share the gospel because Charlie Kirk did.

I don't go out to try to affect politics because Charlie Kirk did.

I go out because my Lord and Savior, almighty God, became a man and died on a cross 2,000 years ago.

In my place, I was the one who broke God's law.

God himself came to earth as a man, Jesus Christ, and died in my place.

I am not Charlie Kirk.

I am of Jesus Christ.

I should take the example of Charlie Kirk and go out into a lost and dying world to proclaim the truth of God's word, specifically with the gospel, but thereafter political anything in life.

Because the Bible influences all of life, as some say, all of.

All of Christ for all of life.

The reality is, it's not enough for us to just say, well, let's go out and affect the world for political means.

Let's get them conservative.

What good is moral conservatism sending people to hell?

We need to give them the gospel.

I am so glad that before Charlie Kirk's death, before his, I guess a few questions before his last one, he shared the gospel with someone.

May that be our last thing we do.

Have you shared the gospel today?

Something to consider.

So as we close out, I want to encourage you, don't let a day pass without sharing the gospel with someone.

And you say, but, Andrew, I'm not good at that.

You know what?

Neither was Charlie with speaking when he started.

He got better.

Start with a gospel tract.

Share a gospel tract.

You could just sit There and say, ah, here.

Did you get one of these?

That's all it takes.

And they can read it.

Start with that.

The reality is our life is short and hopefully Charlie Kirk's life revealed that.

You know, I didn't play any ads purposely in this episode because this is a somber thing.

Yeah, we joked around a bit, but I didn't want to be monetizing or making any money off of what the topic was tonight.

But my encouragement to you, my challenge to every one of you.

Listening, Redeem the day.

You didn't do it today, Fine.

Tomorrow, make a commitment to share the gospel with somebody.

Go out, get some gospel tracts and share them.

You can just go to your local convenience store.

The nice thing about the 24 hour convenience stores, someone's always working.

So you could just walk up to the cashier and say, hey, did you get one of these?

And hand them a gospel tract.

It's something we can all do.

No matter how much we don't like talking to people, we can all do that.

Learn from Charlie's example.

Let's not be silent, let's speak out.

But most importantly, let's share the gospel.

Next week, I hope to have a young man on whose life was impacted because of what he saw with Charlie Kirk and how it's made a difference in his life already.

So that's what we hope to talk about next week.

I do want to.

Let me, let me bring everyone back in, just at least to bring Corey in.

Corey, you and I met at Fight Left East.

I'm planning to go back.

I think you are too.

Correct.

You're saying you don't know.

Okay, so Corey will be there.

I will talk to him afterwards.

I will, I'll beat him into submission.

And so you, you, I, I know I muted you guys, but that, you know, the nice thing about what we've talked about, what some of the guys talked about here.

Why do I like Fight Laugh Feast?

Quite simply, the same reason I like, you know, Jeffrey Rice's conferences, because I may not agree with the folks there.

Corey and I don't agree.

We will.

In heaven.

He's going to be Baptist in heaven.

Just saying.

Corey.

Yeah.

The reality is we can go to an event like that where it really is very much like Charlie Kirk had done.

I mean, I, I go to those events and I can disagree with brothers in love.

You guys have seen it here when Tom and I talk different things about end times or, you know, he, he wants to espouse the falsehood of covenant theology.

And I have to Explain the truth of dispensationalism.

That's like a joke, folks, of those of you who aren't laughing.

But why.

Why do I surround myself with guys I don't agree with?

For very good reason.

Because it sharpens me.

You look at my dear friends, you.

You look at the people I'm close to.

I mean, guys like Matt Slick.

He's Presbyterian.

Wrong.

Continuationist.

Wrong.

Calvary Chapel.

What is up with that?

Right?

You know, there's so much wrong in his theology.

I'm just saying.

But, you know, he sharpens me.

He.

He challenges me.

And.

And so we are so.

You know, I. I forget who mentioned it.

Maybe it was Chris Huff about the tribalism.

Folks, let's get out of our tribe, be willing to be like Charlie Kirk and let someone speak and hear them out.

Don't listen to them just so you could talk over them and tell them how right you are.

That.

That's what I like about Fight La Feast.

I can get around a bunch of guys that don't mind fighting over theology laughing over it.

Then let's go have dinner.

Okay.

Now, I will admit, in Corey's case, I owe him a podcast.

I admit it, that he can unmute himself if he wants to give me a hard time.

I went on.

He's trying to get different people on.

I get on, and all of a sudden someone pulls me away, goes, hey, we got to get to dinner, and dragged me out.

And so we never finished that episode, but he got me back.

He was supposed to be on the Rap Report, and he, you know, got sick or something, and, you know, we never did that one either.

So he got me back.

I. I still think he was doing.

That just to get me back.

But, folks, let's get out of our tribes as far as Christian circles.

Let's.

Let's learn from Charlie Kirk in that way.

I mean, I know the criticism of the ecumenicalism.

I'm not asking for that.

But, you know, every one of the men you see here are brothers in Christ, and yet we disagree theologically in different areas.

I'm okay with that being wrong while they're on earth.

That's a joke.

But the reality is we're all wrong in our theology somewhere.

But every one of these men that you heard tonight, they are a brother in Christ that I will spend eternity with.

Even though we disagree on some issues here on Earth, we agree on the essentials of the gospel message and what God did in our lives on that, we can get together and agree, and let's get together and fight the good fight against an un unsaved, dying, lost world.

And with that, may I encourage you to strive to make today an eternal day for the glory of God.

And we'll see you.