Lane Kennedy (00:00)
if you doze off at 8 45, let's say that means your sleep window is actually probably 8 30 and you should be putting yourself to bed at like seven, seven 30 like or winding down. But because you push yourself past that sleep window, you get that
Jason Kidman (00:15)
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (00:20)
shot of cortisol, That adrenaline comes and keeps you awake. And then you're up until one o'clock because then you bypass that whole system that automatically wants to lull you into a lullaby and sleep. So you miss that really, really important first sleep cycle
Jason Kidman (00:44)
In a world obsessed with quick fixes and perfect routines.
Lane Kennedy (00:48)
We're here to bring it back to what's real.
Jason Kidman (00:50)
I'm Jason, peptide educator and biohacking coach.
Lane Kennedy (00:53)
And I'm Lane, mindfulness mentor and DNA practitioner.
Jason Kidman (00:56)
Together, we explore the science of optimization.
Lane Kennedy (00:59)
and the art of feeling human.
Jason Kidman (01:02)
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Lane Kennedy (01:04)
From genes to growth. This is Inside Omega where health meets honesty and change feels doable. That's right. Welcome to the show.
Jason Kidman (01:06)
This is Inside Omega, where health meets honesty and change feels noble.
Lane Kennedy (01:15)
Jason.
Jason Kidman (01:16)
Yes. ⁓
Lane Kennedy (01:16)
How are you?
Jason Kidman (01:17)
Doing so good. It's good to see you. Are they sick? My wife loved them.
Lane Kennedy (01:19)
Tell me about those glasses.
⁓ my gosh. for those of you, for those of you listening,
Jason has on these, these, you know, the super biohacker glasses with the, are they red or orange lenses? A dark orange lens. And he wears them and he looks super cool, but I don't think his wife likes them very much.
Jason Kidman (01:33)
There are dark Orange
Yeah, I wear them at night watching TV too. Super, super attractive.
Lane Kennedy (01:42)
Yeah?
I tried to get my son
to wear these glasses and he just, it's a big no, but they're so cool.
Jason Kidman (01:51)
Hey, you know, why do I wear them though? It's all about, it's the blue light, right? And on these, I have four monitors here, three 27s and then one big 34 curve on top. like, imagine all that radiation just in the blue light just attacking me like.
Lane Kennedy (01:53)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
my god.
Right now? you're...
No, you're killing me right now. You're... I can't even... I can't even... Four screens? Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (02:19)
Yeah, I
could go for six. No.
Lane Kennedy (02:21)
OMG.
So my friends, if you're new to the show, you know, Jason and I are going to share with you some really interesting ideas and concepts and things around self optimization. That's kind of a used and tired word. Biohacking is super old school. ⁓ so what can we call what we're going to be sharing about?
Jason Kidman (02:40)
⁓ yeah, I hear what you're saying on, you know, it's old school health optimization, whatever, but.
Our vision is to bring this to the world for people who are new, right? Who don't know much about it, right? So helping people reach their potential. When I'm working with people and with my background and where I came from and what I've gone through and the chronic nerve pain that I deal with and have dealt with at a major degree before.
Lane Kennedy (02:56)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
reaching potential. I like that.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (03:13)
I tell people that like, if I'm operating right here and I was down here, that was my baseline. Most people have a higher baseline. So I'm able to get to here. But if you're here,
Lane Kennedy (03:23)
So let's
give a number, from, cause I do everything on a scale from one to 10. So 10 being like, oh my God, I'm broken.
Where where let's do it that way because there's gonna be people that aren't aren't watching right that we're listening in
Jason Kidman (03:35)
You know, I'd say 12 years ago, I was a nine.
And 2013, I was a seven. 2015, I worked my way up to a six or five and kind of hit a wall. Then 2019 through 2022, I got into this or 2018 through 2022. I really dove deep into this world. And I'd say that I operate around a three.
Lane Kennedy (04:03)
Now.
Jason Kidman (04:03)
Yeah, with one being the best. And every once in a while, I will be filling a one. Every now and again.
Lane Kennedy (04:05)
one is always the best.
Okay, so I'm going to break it down for you in real terms, real talk. Real terms, real talk, because this is what I teach. This is my jam. I love it. So we have a bias and we're okay, right? We have this like, I can manage this, I can handle this. And I always give, you know, my students and my officers and whoever I'm working with on a scale from one to 10, 10 being like, you are stressed out and your body is broken. And everybody will say, I'm going to two or I'm going to three.
And on a bad day, they'll say, I'm at a seven. But in reality,
We're all way past 10 reality. And my friend, you have three monitors in front of you. So you're at like a 20. Just saying, just saying. Our nervous system is, you know, like.
Jason Kidman (04:50)
you
Hey,
let me fix that.
Lane Kennedy (04:55)
okay. Now he's got the red light on. See, I love that. Okay. Put the red line on this. So, so brilliant. It's going to help. But you know, for our listeners, it's like, we are in the state of constant stress and it's, and it's affecting our nervous system. It's affecting our brain. It's affecting our body. we can't lose weight. We can't sleep. So in reality, I would say you're, you said you're at a three. I would say you're at a five if you use the red light.
Jason Kidman (04:57)
That right there.
Lane Kennedy (05:18)
Just saying.
Jason Kidman (05:19)
Well, yes. I mean,
what that red light does is essentially helps to counteract all the blue light and all the radiation coming from the monitors, right? And I've got a cell phone sitting right here, four feet from me, three feet. And that's sending EMFs towards me. I've got a Wi-Fi disc up there on the ceiling that's blasting me with EMFs. So like.
Lane Kennedy (05:26)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (05:44)
How do I win?
Lane Kennedy (05:45)
Well, we're kind of like in a world right now where we can't. Like I talk about the frog boiling in the pot of water. It's just, we're boiling ourselves to death.
It's like such a sad state.
Jason Kidman (05:55)
and then add on top
of that chronic stress, processed foods, red dye 40.
Lane Kennedy (06:00)
Mm-hmm.
Bring it all on.
Jason Kidman (06:03)
I've taught my
little 10 year old about red 40. And he's looking at his Gatorade. It's a blue Gatorade. He's like, Dad, blue Gatorade has red 40 in it. I'm like, yes, it does, What you gonna do about it?
Lane Kennedy (06:07)
Mm.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
So not right. So
not right, Jason. So not right. So your dad, you have, how many kids share with us? Which is a lot. Your wife is a saint, just saying.
Jason Kidman (06:26)
for.
Both are true.
Lane Kennedy (06:31)
my
gosh, four kids. So I only have one kid and that like puts me under every day. And I just think about how we're raising kids, you know, in our society today and the stress that they're under. It's a lot, everything, everything is just super stressful, but we're not talking about stress. What are we going to talk about?
Jason Kidman (06:50)
⁓
Talk about.
Maybe something about how to actually.
even the playing field of all that.
Lane Kennedy (06:56)
So even the playing field for what?
Jason Kidman (07:01)
all the negative garbage that we deal with every day.
Lane Kennedy (07:03)
Mm-hmm.
There's a lot.
Jason Kidman (07:05)
Yeah. You know, so Lane, you do mindfulness, you do epigenetics. I believe I'm kind of a sucky mindfulness practitioner or not practitioner, practice X student. now, but with that said, when I actually put myself to it and do 20 minutes of breath work or meditation,
Lane Kennedy (07:05)
I know.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (07:30)
Boom, like through the roof, right? Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (07:30)
feel better. Yeah,
I know. I know the hard thing about my job is compliance. Right? I can teach all day around, you know, stress management and how to become more resilient, but the compliant piece is so critical. And that's why hypnosis is such a key part of the job that I do, just to kind of remind people that they can do it. So yes, we're living in this
boiling pot of water and my solution is always the same. Like go look at a green tree or go outside and sit, meditate, take a mindful breath. Like I think people forget to breathe even now, Jason. I was sitting next to my son on the couch watching a TV show and he was holding his breath and I'm like, what are you doing?
Breathe. Yeah, there's a lot.
Jason Kidman (08:16)
Guilty? Guilty.
Lane Kennedy (08:17)
Right? I just like,
we can't help ourselves.
Jason Kidman (08:20)
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (08:20)
It is what it is.
Jason Kidman (08:20)
So
what are some easy action items we can do to embrace that? I think that's something that we want to incorporate into the message that we want to share, right? know, some of that. Because my tendency, like, OK, how can we biohack ourselves through this without needing to do that? Right?
What compound or supplement or peptide or nootropic can I just pound down real quick? Yeah, I love shortcuts.
Lane Kennedy (08:47)
Agent. Yeah. Yeah.
Shortcut.
Everybody loves shortcuts.
Jason Kidman (08:55)
Now, it's kind of like when you're working with people from an epigenetic standpoint and you're teaching them about, first and foremost, it starts with the basic things. And we're not talking about shortcuts, we're not talking about a peptide or a supplement or anything like that. What are we talking about?
Lane Kennedy (09:11)
like the basic like nutrient components? Is that what you're talking about? Sleep? Like what are the components of good lifestyle? Like lifestyle hacks that people just don't want to do.
Jason Kidman (09:20)
Yeah, they're real.
Well, I think we have some non-negotiables. And you just said one of them, right? Sleep?
Lane Kennedy (09:26)
sleep.
Jason Kidman (09:26)
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (09:27)
Yeah, it's one of the first things that I talk about when I'm teaching is I ask people what their sleep window is. Hands down, no one knows. They look at me like, what are you talking about?
And then that becomes a part of the exercise for the eight weeks of like finding and discovering that sleep window. And when they do, hallelujah, because they start feeling better. But it takes them typically, usually about six weeks to even find it. But I'm also, I'm like asking them every week for six weeks, did you find your sleep window? Otherwise, forget it.
Jason Kidman (09:56)
So what do do with me when I say I want my sleep window to be from 10 PM to 5 AM, but my sleep window is more like 11.30 to one, all the way to five to 6.45.
Lane Kennedy (10:14)
But what time do you, what time do you put yourself to bed?
Jason Kidman (10:18)
That's the 11.30 to one. Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (10:20)
11.30 to one and what
time if you were just, if you were to get, come home, have dinner and then sit on the couch, let's take this into normal time zone. Like you're done at like eight o'clock with dinner and family time. And now you're just sitting on the couch. You're not taking the kids to the sports things and running them around town. You're just like, okay, it's time for me to chill. And you were sitting on the couch and you're watching a show.
and you got into the zone, would you fall asleep or would you just hang out and watch the show? And then would you just keep watching shows?
Jason Kidman (10:50)
⁓ I would, I mean, that's part of our routine is usually we connect at night after the kids are in bed. ⁓ But having two teenagers and two littles makes it very difficult. So we want to get the littles to bed early, you know, 8.30, nine, and having a teenager that thinks of midnight is her curfew every night of the week.
Lane Kennedy (10:54)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
right?
Jason Kidman (11:12)
really puts a damper on it. And then was it five nights ago that we get a call at 1230 AM when I'm actually in bed, not asleep yet. And it's our daughter with a police officer. Yay. So you got pulled over for aggressive driving.
Lane Kennedy (11:26)
⁓ no.
Mm-hmm.
wow.
Jason Kidman (11:33)
and a little bit of speeding.
Lane Kennedy (11:35)
bit of speeding, you're either speeding or not. That's awesome. I mean, it's not awesome.
Jason Kidman (11:37)
I know, I know, right? Yeah.
So, like, I have every excuse in the world, but...
Lane Kennedy (11:43)
No, but this is how we find our sleep window. This is how you would find your sleep window of like, okay, if you were just, again, ⁓ take the kids out, take just Jason being Jason, everybody's gone, say they're on holiday or something, right? And it's just you.
And would you just sit there and watch TV? Like say again, you've eaten, you're done, it's eight o'clock and you're gonna like, you're just like, my God, I'm gonna watch my favorite show, which is, what's your favorite show right now?
Jason Kidman (12:06)
I'm so excited for season two of land man to come out in in in two weeks from today 17th
Lane Kennedy (12:10)
I know I can't wait. It's gonna be so good. ⁓
So you're sitting there, you're like, okay, I'm gonna watch Landman. And you've had a full day. Are you watching the full episode?
Jason Kidman (12:23)
Hmm. Yes and no. It depends on if I do get sleepy. If I get sleepy, I'm out. Bye, God. Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (12:29)
Exactly. So
this is how we find your sleep window. This is how you find your sleep window is that if you doze off at 8 45, let's say that means your sleep window is actually probably 8 30 and you should be putting yourself to bed at like seven, seven 30 like or winding down. But because you push yourself past that sleep window, you get that
Jason Kidman (12:32)
Okay.
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (12:56)
shot of cortisol, right? That adrenaline comes and keeps you awake. And then you're up until one o'clock because then you bypass that whole system that automatically wants to lull you into a lullaby and sleep. So you miss that really, really important first sleep cycle that really kind of rinses your brain, right?
Jason Kidman (13:16)
I
miss it. I miss it a lot. Like a couple of times a week. And I am cognizant of it when it happens. I'm like, no, especially if I want to get up early the next morning. And then the other thing is knowing about my genetics through my work with you, I am a night owl. my genetically, I'm
Lane Kennedy (13:18)
Yeah.
Forget it.
Jason Kidman (13:38)
more inclined to be up at night and want to sleep in in the morning. my, but, but my, from being goal oriented, I want to be a morning person. Okay. So that's, so then I start getting anxiety about, no, I need to go to sleep. And then that triggers more adrenaline release, or pernephrine.
Lane Kennedy (13:40)
Mm-hmm.
Right.
Mm hmm.
Yep.
Jason Kidman (13:59)
epinephrine,
right? And then that keeps me even more wired.
Lane Kennedy (14:06)
I wonder what your HRV is. What's your HRV like?
Jason Kidman (14:09)
I had to stop tracking it. I have my orering and one problem is is I lost my charger for a short time. Now that I found it, I'm like, I kind of like not knowing.
Lane Kennedy (14:18)
Mm-hmm.
Alright
Jason Kidman (14:22)
And it's funny because sometimes, and to use the ordering the right way, some I've learned recently, to use it the right way is what you've got to do is you've got to use it for a couple of weeks in a row without even looking at the score.
Lane Kennedy (14:37)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (14:37)
and you
track it yourself. Like you wake up in the morning and you rate yourself. You say, I feel this much energy or refreshed. And you do that for a couple of weeks in a row. And then you reference back and you connect the dots. And that way the aura ring can't, it doesn't, you have to notice it. It doesn't define.
Lane Kennedy (14:45)
Mm-hmm.
can look at your tracking.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (15:01)
how you actually sleep and how you should be refreshed or not. Because there have been times when I, maybe my sleep score was like an 88, which is really, really, really good for me, but I didn't feel any better than a 65. And I think that could be done with my, have to do with my...
Lane Kennedy (15:13)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (15:19)
what I maybe did the next morning, because morning's important to me. Like if I get up and go and sweat early and see sunlight early and things like that, I'm just going to feel better during the day. Whereas if I sleep in and actually get more sleep and groggily get myself out of bed and take an hour to actually see sunlight and just.
I'll feel like garbage that day. That's like a typical Sunday, right?
Lane Kennedy (15:48)
my god.
No.
Jason Kidman (15:49)
I don't know, does that land with,
Lane Kennedy (15:51)
Well,
yeah, I think we could do a whole episode on HRV, like just around the top of HRV, but you're bringing up a really good point about tracking and how people track so religiously. And I'm guilty of this. I've done it for almost 30 years and how we put so much energy into it and so much like, well, this means this, right? This means X and, and I'm recently in therapy. Thank goodness for that. And he he's challenged me to kind of
Jason Kidman (15:54)
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (16:16)
let go of the tracking so much and just feel, right? Just feel how you are in the world. How are you being in the world? How do you wake up? How do you go to sleep? Just like you're saying about how to properly use the aura ring of like not letting those numbers kind of dictate to you and instead letting like your thoughts, right? Your, how you actually are, write it down and see. I haven't wore.
Jason Kidman (16:20)
you
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (16:40)
an aura ring in almost two years, which is, I wanna go back really bad. I'm just saying that out loud. I have a different app on my phone now because I track all my heart stuff because of this situation. And it shows me my HRV. It shows me how much oxygen I'm getting at nighttime. It's fascinating. And I'm like, my gosh.
Jason Kidman (16:47)
You
Mm-hmm.
Lane Kennedy (17:03)
And it's the opposite. Like it shows me really good numbers, but I'm like, like I'm tired, you know? I'm like, that's interesting, interesting information. And it just kind of shows how powerful the brain is.
Like the limbic system is incredibly.
challenged. It's, it dictates to us, right? Our amygdala and this prefrontal cortex are constantly in this little battle. That's another conversation too. I'll leave it right there.
Jason Kidman (17:28)
Well, congrats on the therapy and on taking up on the challenge for real. That's huge.
And I think speaking of therapy, you know, it's a good, it's good for everybody. and if I would have been not prideful and humble enough to turn to therapy when my problem started almost 20 years ago, then I never, I don't think I ever would have developed the physical nerve pain that I am so, so blessed with to this day.
Lane Kennedy (17:50)
Mm-hmm.
And so let's talk about nerve pain because I think there's something.
Again, it's like a physical, physiologically, it's the sensation that it's happening, right? But your brain is also sending a signal to you. So do you think that when you're tired or when your immune system is run down, that it's exasperated? It's like, you're just like, ⁓ the pain is too much.
Jason Kidman (18:24)
Yeah, I think so. That and the cortisol, the fight or flight, right? It just kind of puts you in more of a fight or flight state. So your body's just wanting to go, go, go, so you don't really naturally have that natural decompression. And so then you're relying on biohacks and...
Lane Kennedy (18:28)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (18:44)
or even natural things like mindfulness and breath work and meditation to calm it down. That's kind of how I feel about it, but does that resonate with you?
Lane Kennedy (18:55)
Yeah, it totally does. And I think I also want to just bring up, you know, kind of the work that you do and how I think that's really supported you. And I've seen this huge transformation with you in the last, I don't know, 18 months of just like you were in chronic, chronic state of nerve pain and, you know, just kind of that misery and misery kind of breeds misery. Right. And then. You going on this journey of.
using these agents and exploring your optimization path, which I don't like that word. I need a different word, I do. I need to think of a different word. I need a thesaurus.
Jason Kidman (19:31)
That feels worse.
Lane Kennedy (19:32)
But what I've seen and this kind of transformation of using the agents and peptides and understanding your DNA and working out differently and you've changed your health around and that's what you do with other people now, which is so cool.
Jason Kidman (19:33)
Let me let me thesaurus eyes this for you.
Lane Kennedy (19:50)
Like your pain is not how it was 12 months ago.
Jason Kidman (19:53)
That's That's true. And I think there's a matter of underlying stress in life, just in general, that keeps it up. And I think that's maybe my next level to really adopt a...
Lane Kennedy (20:03)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (20:14)
more prolific, stress-free mindset, perhaps? How's this for a word for alternative to optimized health, prime health, or health maximization, or health uplift or health upgrade?
Lane Kennedy (20:21)
Yes.
Health maximization.
Up, no, no upgrade. That's well-being, well-being, your well-being. See, I like that. That's calm and mellow. It's chill. Yeah. I don't know. Like, I just think about when you say upgrade, I think about Dave, right? And I don't want to be associated with that and like optimization. Then we're connected to, you know, that guy and I don't want to be connected that either. So I'm just like, we need a different word.
Jason Kidman (20:29)
No, well-being improvement.
You that? Yeah.
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (20:53)
I need a chill word.
Jason Kidman (20:54)
We need a more chill word, need a more. Yeah, I bet you have no idea what I'm doing right now.
Lane Kennedy (20:57)
Word.
Well, our listener wants to know more. So I think we're going to wrap it up and put a bow on it right here. We have a full season coming to you, which I'm excited about. And if you have an idea or if you want to drop us a hello, you can jump into the Omega community. I think that would be a good place to land. Jason's in there, you know, sharing about different peptides and protocols and all the magical things that he does. I'm in there as well talking about
mindfulness and DNA and just drop in and say hi, see what we're doing. That would be fun. I'd love to meet you.
Jason Kidman (21:32)
Sounds great. Thank you, Lane. This is awesome. I want to share a little insight onto what we want to cover this over the next few episodes.
Lane Kennedy (21:33)
Yeah.
the next few episodes. I know that we're going to be talking about DNA at some point, right? We're going to be talking about, what else? Peptides versus lifestyle hacks.
Jason Kidman (21:49)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (21:56)
I think one of the episodes is the top five peptides for beginners because it's confusing.
That's a good, that'll be a good show.
Jason Kidman (22:04)
Something else really cool is we could have a guest on who is a, pretty high level leader in hormone optimization for women, men and women, but particularly women. And we can always bring on other guests that we've worked with as well.
Lane Kennedy (22:14)
That be cool. What ⁓ else?
That would be great. A community spotlight. So yes, if you're in the community, you could get a spotlight. That would be fun.
What else? There's lots of, there's the full season ahead. So I'm really excited about it.
Jason Kidman (22:32)
I am too, is be fun. It's gonna be fun. Let's help some people out and share our knowledge. Again, this is for people who want to take their health to the next level in various ways, ways that they kind of, I'd say people get on there, they know of these things or they're researching them, they don't really know what to do next, whether it is mindfulness, whether it's peptides and bioregulators and...
reversing or helping with longevity, anti-aging or weight loss and everything like that. The Wolverine stack for recovery with the famous BPC157 peptide and among others. I'm pretty well versed in peptides. I have experience with probably close to 40 and
I know that you've got a lot of experience with peptides. Yeah. Yeah, I like to experiment, that's for sure. But then we want to match that with lifestyle and the mindfulness and how our DNA fits right into that. So I'm excited, Lane. It's going be awesome.
Lane Kennedy (23:14)
a lot of peptides.
I know it's great.
Mm-hmm.
It's foundational.
It's foundational. Yeah, I was talking to a client yesterday and she said, you know, I just had no idea how important it is to understand my DNA and my kids' DNA. Right. She has a daughter who's going through some stuff and she's like, wow, this is like, just like awakening, you know. So I'm excited to kind of bring that angle to the table as we talk about all of this well-being. I got it in.
Jason Kidman (23:52)
There you go. Nicely done.
Lane Kennedy (23:55)
Thanks so much for hanging out with us, Jason. Thanks for always being here.
Jason Kidman (24:00)
Thank you, Lane, likewise. All right, love you all.
Lane Kennedy (24:02)
We'll see you next time.