Well, hello, my name is Matt Edmundson and you are listening

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So do come join us now today.

I'm talking to Shauli all the way from New York who has braved the ills, uh,

and swallowed some modern medicine and forced himself to come onto the show.

Uh, what a trooper this, uh, chap is, uh, Shauli.

Welcome to the show, man.

Great to have you.

Uh, I would ask you how you're doing, but it's, uh, it's, it,

it, it's, it's kind of okay.

Yeah, exactly.

Getting better.

Getting better.

Uh, thanks for having me.

It's uh, it's a retreat.

Um, real honor.

Uh, so thank you.

No, no, it's great to be here.

Now.

We were, we were talking, uh, Shauli before we hit the record button.

Uh oh.

By the way, ladies and gentlemen, lemme just say, uh, before we get into this,

if you, um, if you are watching this, uh, on YouTube, you are gonna go, Matt,

you're not wearing your usual clothing.

I'm in fact wearing, uh, a Kansas City Chief's.

Super Bowl winning Jersey.

And uh, is that because I'm a Kansas City Chiefs fan?

Well, yeah, why not?

You know, living in England, we like American football.

Uh, but the, a good friend of the show, he's been on the show before

and a really good friend of mine now, Brett Curry, um, from OMG Commerce sent

me this and it arrived this morning.

He sent one for me and one for my daughter.

So we have matching Kansas City.

Chief's football chose, so I thought I'd wear it in honor of him.

And just give a brief shout out.

Brett, you are a legend.

Thank you so much for my shirt.

Uh, we always like Gifts and Brett sent, sent me in the one for Zoe.

So yeah, thank you very much.

Anyway, that, sorry, Shauli, I just got a bit carried away there.

I, I realized, uh, with the, with the screen, I'm like, oh, visually things

are a little bit different today.

Um, and by the way, are you a Chiefs fan?

Do you do American football?

Am I offending you?

Wearing this top?

You are not offending me, actually.

Um, I'm getting into American football.

Uh, so this is something I'm, you know, always been a soccer fan, but,

uh, soccer or English football fan.

But this is, I'm doing my first steps into American football.

I love, I love that.

So far I'm still trying to get, understand the different teams and so on.

Uh, I live in New York, so I'm, you know, more of a Giants fan here, but, uh, or

like started, but uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's

fascinating actually.

Yeah.

I watched like last Super Bowl.

Loved it.

It was,

uh, uh, I would say great time with friends and family, so it was nice.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

Yeah.

And And can I ask what English team you support though?

Actually real football.

'cause we played with our feet, but that's the next sense of question.

We will, we will not get into right now.

Arsenal,

Awesome.

Well it is been great having you on the show.

Thanks for joining us.

Arsenal.

Uh, if you don't, if you don't know, uh, already I'm a big Liverpool fan.

I'm sure you're, I mean,

you.

live in Liverpool.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, yeah, it's, the reason why I chose to live in Liverpool was

because of the football team.

Right.

Okay,

So, which is, I, I thought was as good a reason as any to, to choose where to live.

so you're not born, raised in Liverpool.

no.

No.

Uh, if I was born and raised in Liverpool, I'd probably be talking like deese.

Exactly.

Um, and so, no, I've lived here 32 years, 33 years now.

Actually a long old time.

Came for university and have sort of stayed.

Um, but yeah.

Anyway, we digress.

Let's jump into it.

Uh, enough about football, all those, I could talk about it all day.

Um.

So you are in New York.

SalesRep.ai is the name of your company, so guess what they do, ladies

and gentlemen, AI is in the title.

Um, and we were hit talking before we hit record and before I started this

whole rabbit trail, um, about how, you know, you obviously work with a whole

bunch of people around the world, various different sizes of E-com businesses,

and I asked you a simple question if you could solve like the, what is

the key problem, you know, the common problem that everyone comes to you with.

Uh, what would that be?

And Shauli, your answer was,

Helping with sales, basically increasing sales.

That's number one.

Uh, um, number one problem that we're trying to help merchant is to increase

their top line and get more revenue into, you know, into their businesses.

Um, just wanna say one correction.

My, uh, the company name company's name is, uh, Rep AI.

It's, hellorep.ai

uh,

what did I say?

sales reps.

It's fine.

It's not a big deal.

You know what?

I've even got your website right in front of me.

I'm really sorry.

I ladies, gentlemen, I should probably go get my glasses

checked, I think is the, uh,

okay.

That's okay.

Uh, don't ever make I'm mistake again,

yeah,

yeah.

We've got your address, dude.

Yeah.

Oh wow.

That's unbelievable.

Sorry.

hellorep.Ai, I'm, very sorry.

exactly.

It's, it's all good.

It's all good.

Uh, so yeah, the number one problem we saw.

My co-founder and I five years ago, uh, you know, we were big

fans of the e-commerce space.

Always.

Uh, there, my co-founder has been in, uh, agencies and helping,

uh, retail brands forever.

Um, I come from the tech side and the number one problem we saw five

years going back is that we love the experience of brick and mortar stores.

How you go into a brick and mortar store, you get.

Concierge help, white glove support, uh, someone helping you with

whatever you need, recommending products, answering any questions.

And when you dive into an e-commerce online store, you're there by yourself.

No one's there to help you.

You know, there's images nice.

There might be, you know, personalized, but that's where you go, right?

All you have are the, the search and, uh, the menu.

That's it.

And then we thought to ourselves, how amazing would it be if we can bring

that experience from brick and mortar, like really simulate the brick and

mortar experience, bring it online.

And, you know, you obviously can't do that with people because it's just

gonna be a lot of people doing that role for any visitor that comes in.

And we said, okay, how if we can bring AI to, uh, to the, to the mix and

give that, uh, give that experience and really treat the AI or train the

AI to do the exact, the same stuff.

As, uh, brick and mortar sales assistant would do.

And that's where we came with the idea.

Uh, two years in of developing the, the, uh, technology, ChatGPT came on with,

uh, their amazing AI and let us actually like, um, wave or ride their engine and

give that experience to, uh, to merchants.

So we came out with our solution in 2023 and ever since, uh, it's been amazing.

2023. It's only yesterday.

It feels like decades ago in the world of AI because it's

changed so much since 2023.

And this is really, um, is, this is sort of the philosophical question, isn't it?

About what you guys do, um, and whether an e-commerce site needs it.

'cause you're right, I think about the amount of e-commerce websites

I go to and I don't know them.

I have no feel for them.

I. Either like their product or I don't.

I'm, and one of the questions that we have wrestled with, I think

in e-commerce over the years is, how do I connect with customers?

So you have a lot of founder facing brands who do crazy videos or do the social

media just to have that connection, you know, uh, with their, their customers.

But you're right in the sense of whenever I go into a brick and mortar store.

Especially actually, if that brick and mortar store is in the states, it, it,

sometimes in the uk but certainly in the states, somebody's gonna come up to me

and go, Hey, how can I help you today?

Um, or some variant of that question, aren't they?

And if they're, if they're likable, if they're personable, if they kind

of know what they're doing, they're probably gonna engage me pretty well.

At some point I'm gonna buy something.

A good example of this Shauli, actually, uh, last weekend I was up

visiting my son in St. Andrews, um, and his fiance, uh, up at, um, the very

famous, uh, golfing town in Scotland.

And I wanted to buy a gift, uh, for our host family.

They like gin.

So there's this really lovely kind of, uh, have you ever been

to St. Andrew's by the way?

No.

No.

Okay.

There's this beautiful kind of whiskeys shop at the end of the

street, and I, I, every time I go, I, I go there and I just walked in.

He said, how can I help you?

And I was like, I just need some gin.

And he said, go talk to that fellow over there.

And this, this guy just talked to me about gin for like 15 minutes and I

ended up buying not one bottle, but two.

And I tried all his variant gins and I'm a bit of a, I, I like his stuff,

but that would've never happened.

On an e-commerce website, right?

You kind of, you look at the label, you look at the price.

Do I want it yes or no?

I dunno if I do, but, um, because of that personal interaction, I think

it changed my shopping experience.

And I've always, the reason I go into that shop is not because it's the

cheapest, but because every time I've gone in, the guys just talk to you, uh,

and make you feel welcome and give you some good pro product recommendation.

So I love what you are trying to do and how you then do

that on e-commerce websites.

'cause people have been trying that.

In various different gise, uh, for years, and it seems like this is

perhaps one of the key benefits of AI for e-commerce owners.

Yeah, no, totally.

So, um, I think obviously it wouldn't be able to to happen without ai.

So AI is the key, uh, driver for this, for this to, to happen.

There's no doubt that, uh, what, what drives that higher conversion rate

is the, the level of personalization that, um, that you get from the sales

assistant, from the AI in the end.

So what we do is that we track, uh, the behavior of customers from

the moment they, they walk into the website, the moment they log in,

the moment they, they hit the, the, you know, enter through a campaign.

The moment.

They're, they're on the website.

We start tracking everything they're doing to, to build a

customer profile basically on them.

So to understand exactly what they're interested in and what

happens in the background.

Uh, the AI tries to evaluate if.

This customer will end up buying by itself, by him himself, or herself, or

if that customer needs some assistance.

And, and when the AI gets that signal that the, this customer will not buy the AI

approaches that customer with basically very similar to what the experience

you had in that, in that, uh, a liquor shop, but with the whole context of

what they've, what they've been doing.

So if you were checking out gin bottle, for example.

AI would know that.

So the AI would come in with an approach of, Hey, we saw that you checked out

this, uh, bottle of gin, and if you bought before, the AI would know that as well.

And if you checked out other, uh, let's say other brands or, uh, other, uh, sorry,

other products or other categories, other collections, the AI would know that too.

So everything goes in, into that customer profile that's being, uh, rebuilt.

Every, you know, every interaction or everything, you're, you as a shopper,

you're doing, and AI comes in and that's the basis of the conversation.

AI lu you into the conversation with that proactive approach.

And then from that moment on, the AI will do anything in its powers, okay?

It has a lot of powers, but anything in its powers to make sure that

you end up as a happy customer.

So if you need product recommendations, if you need to know the history

of that gin distillery, for example, and that will push you in.

Uh, to, to buy that bottle or whatever, whatever is possible, because obviously

the AI has all the knowledge of the store, the catalog, uh, your purchase history

and, uh, other people's purchase history.

So it's able to recommend products that are, you know, complimentary,

for example, or similar items.

So it has all those tools, and again, the number one role is to make sure

you come out as a happy customer.

Yeah, that's fantastic.

I'm, I'm intrigued by it, um, because it.

I to tell you how intrigued I'm by, I, I, I, I had a slight, a slight

moment, uh, Shauli earlier on when I was driving, uh, from the office

back to the, the studio here.

Um, and I, I knew you were coming on and I, I was, you know, I've got to

the stage now where actually when we research guests, I use perplexity.

And Perplexity has this feature where it talks to you now.

Um, so it'll go away and it'll do a search and it'll come up with all this data.

You press the headphone button and it just, it just reads it out to you, you

know, and in, in quite a human manner.

Uh, and you and I, one of my questions that I asked, and I I wanted to ask you

this question 'cause I, I, I thought this was really fun when I realized what I'd

done, uh, as I'm driving home, I went, well, but do humans actually trust ai?

Um, and this is what I said to perplexity.

I've got it up here.

It said, do humans trust ai?

Which is more of a philosophical question, I suppose.

Um, but you're talking about some big upswings in buying behavior,

which we'll get into that this kind of technology brings.

But what is a human response to ai?

It it, it was kind of lost on me for a minute that I was having

this conversation with ai, right.

Yeah.

You can prove the point basically.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And then I just, I, I got out and I realized, I thought,

oh, okay, this is interesting.

And because this is just what I do now, I quite happily chat to ai, you

know, a significant portion of my day inhabit, read content back to me.

Um, or if I'm going on a walk, I'll just have a chat with ai.

And it seems like.

Humanity is getting more and more accepting of the, sort of the AI features.

Uh, and I I wanted to sort of start there a little bit because

I know you, your company started earlier than 2023, but obviously

you connected with chat GPT in 2023.

How have you found people's response to this?

To AI or to, to the, um, to our solution in gen, like in specific

our solution or AI in general.

Yeah, specifically to your solution.

'cause obviously that's where you've got the data.

I mean, you are using AI now to drive that and I'm, I'm, I'm curious to know what,

how people are responding now with the,

So we definitely saw a huge transformation along the years.

We started with 2020 where, you know, we went to customers and

said, Hey, what about the idea of having your AI on your website?

And a lot of the, a lot of the, you know, response we got was, uh, uh, oh,

AI is never gonna be a thing, you know?

We don't,

Along with Bitcoin, that's never gonna take off either, right?

yeah, or we said, uh, and they said, okay, yeah.

How do you, you know, how do you, uh, envision that?

And we try to under explain it would be a chat on the website

and people said, a chat, AI chat.

No way.

That's, again, that's not never gonna be a thing that's a. Complete

failure, you should go to voice.

'cause Alexa is the next thing, by the way.

So we had a, you know, a moment where we thought, okay, should we try to

have the same solution on Alexa?

Um, and basically allow brands to have an app on Alexa.

That was

part of the path we took.

Uh, but we strongly believed in AI chats on, uh, on the websites.

'cause we, you know, we had this, um, I would say vision

that AI chat would be the thing.

So we saw this big transformation from merchants that are.

Uh, not believing at all to merchants that, uh, all of a

sudden saying, Hey, we, we would be happy to be early adopters here.

It's looks cool.

Might be the future.

Let's try it out to obviously today that, you know, we see huge brands,

enterprise brands that are coming to the realization, okay, we need

AI on the website and it's okay.

That it's okay if we don't control everything.

We would say it's

okay letting go, because that was the biggest hurdle over the years.

Like, is it gonna say things that we never like, uh, we're not gonna

dictate every word it's gonna say.

And, uh, it was hard for our big brands to, to accept that it was hard for

s and bs to accept at the beginning.

And now we're slowly getting to the maturity of that.

So acceptance from merchants.

And that's on the merchant side.

From the shopper side, um, I would say shoppers also made, obviously

big transformation started from.

Think people thinking this is a human because there's no way

the AI would speak like that.

So they, they started speaking to humans.

Um, and that happened a lot until a lot of our merchants, uh, a lot of our brands

basically said, okay, let's write the word ai, because people get too confused

and it's, and then they, they get, uh, upset when they figure out the truth.

So they started using the word ai and then people were treating it like, um.

A Google search.

Red shirt.

Red shirt.

That's it.

And that's what we got at the beginning.

So people, you know, writing one word or two words, that's it.

That's the, the most that, uh, they looked at it as, as a search, um, search bar.

And we seeing that the full transformation today were people

are basically giving them the ai, the full life story and it's okay.

All their problems and how they were fighting with their wives and, and.

And the AI listens, so it's okay.

And, uh, they, I don't think they would treat the same.

They treat humans the same way.

I don't think they would be that open

with writing everything.

And if it's, um, you know, if it's products that are, you know, a bit

sensitive or sizes that are a bit sensitive, they're okay with telling

the ai they're, you know, they're, they're sizes and everything.

And, uh, it's been amazing to see that that full adoption, that that happened.

It's interesting you say that because, um, research here that

I've got in front of me, what drives human trust in AI chatbots?

Uh, there's four key areas that it says.

One is, um.

the technology has got better.

The reliability and competence of that technology has also got better.

And I think if you can connect that with integrity so you feel

like actually this thing's on your side somehow you, you do well.

Um, one of the things they said, which this is the, the, this connects with

the two things that you've just said.

And I, I'm, this really intrigued me because.

They said one of the things was perceived empathy.

Chatbots that seemed to understand and respond to user emotions, foster a

stronger sense of trust and engagement, and the non-judgmental nature of chatbots.

So you talked about putting your sizes in.

Many people feel more comfortable disclosing personal or sensitive

information to chatbots than to humans, as AI is seen as a lot

less judgmental and more anonymous.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Which is, uh, pretty amazing.

Yeah.

I, I thought that was really intriguing, the fact that you've mentioned that.

I, I, you see, they're, they're the things that I, I, I would've gone.

Yeah.

Well, it's gonna get me to my end point on the user journey quicker.

'cause it's gonna, I mean, but the, these soft things, you know,

like empathy and non-judgmental nature, make a big difference.

But how you quantify that, I have no idea.

You know, and I, I think it's quite fascinating that this is what's

coming out in the research now.

Yeah, so I think it's from the, the merchant perspective, it's

quantified by top line revenue.

That's pretty much it.

Uh, saying in the end, seeing in the end that there's more revenue,

there's bigger lifetime value as well.

So, uh, and seeing all that actually happening and being able

to test it and AB tested as well.

So being able to say, Hey, this is actually increasing my revenue.

I can see that before and after.

Um, and yeah, there's, uh, there's no doubt that it's working.

So if I wanted to, um, get started maybe with something like, you

know, like what you guys do,

let's go through some of the, the sort of the, the technical side

of things, Shauli, if we can like.

Yeah.

Do I need to have like a certain data set?

Do I need to be a 'cause years ago, I'd say a few years ago, years ago, like

it was decades last week, last Tuesday, you needed a really big data set.

And the more data you had, the more accurate it was.

'cause that was all based on machine learning.

Um.

Do we still need big data sets?

Is this something that would resonate for a smaller e-commerce brand?

Does it work specifically for, say, clothing brands?

But if you're a single product site, does it work as well?

What, what sort of things have you found work really well,

um, with the, the AI system?

It's a great question.

I get that question all the time.

So, um.

People ask, Hey, is I have only one product?

Does that mean that, uh, I don't need it as much?

Now, the the answer I would say is like, if you open the retail store, would

you not have shop assistance there?

And, uh, they would say, of course I would like, you know, it's a, it's a

mandatory thing in, in a retail store.

There's no way to not have shop assistance because they help, they educate, they,

they do whatever is needed to make sure that the customers, uh, in the end buy.

And it's exactly the same.

So if you have one product, most likely that product is going to be

very unique product that needs some convincing, needs, some education.

As opposed to a retail store.

Uh, the clothing store, we have thousands of, of skews.

Uh, it's very easy to understand, right?

You, you see a, a shirt and that's pretty much it.

Uh, but there's a lot of them.

So over there

the problem is different.

Might be choice, paralysis, problem over a educational problem, but either way.

Shop assistant in real life would be able to help with that.

And same in the same way.

AI shop assistant, it's the same, same thing.

It helps with the same problems if there are too many products.

Let me help you with recommendation.

Let me help you narrow down results if there's a few products, but

there're, let's say very expensive.

High price points and there's a lot of convincing that has to happen.

AI is amazing in that because it is there with its empathy and knowledge of the

product and complete specs of the product.

So able to under, to explain what's the difference between that and

that, and why you should get, you know, the higher level, uh, you

know, the better tv, for example.

Uh, so the AI is there to, to do all that and help in any

type of, any type of brand.

So we actually see success.

By all different verticals.

So from uh, electronics to uh, to apparel to, um, dog food, anything.

That's, um, and, and does it matter about the data set size?

Like if I was just starting a new store today, would it work or do

I need like a million rows of data for it to have any kind of meaning?

No.

So, um, also good question.

So what we do is we connect, uh, to the retail, uh, e-commerce store.

So Shopify Connection, one click integration.

We already have the entire, uh, catalog ingested inside.

Uh, same with, uh, purchase history.

So we get and take the purchase history at the last couple of months

to have all that data ingested to understand what people buy.

To understand, truly understand the catalog.

Then the AI also cross all the pages of the website, so.

Any product pages, collection pages, uh, even block pages,

anything to have that information.

And that's the starting point.

That's in one click, nothing.

And then of course, if, uh, the, the me, if merchants want to add

more information, they're able to add in more Excel information.

But that's only if they, they need to and only if there's missing information.

But to get, get going, you don't need to do, have nothing, basically

just your, just your own website.

That's it.

And I guess the thing gets, uh, AI is, is one of these things that gets

smarter the more we use it, right?

Yeah,

yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it, it learns during the process.

So a lot of things that we actually highlight is that once we start, when

they, once the AI is on the website, uh, the engagement rate goes up and up, uh,

and we typically see around 3% of the.

Visitors on the website will talk to our ai.

So that's, that's a lot of people and that brings in a lot of, uh, new

knowledge about how shoppers, uh, buy and what they're interested in and so on.

And also highlights missing information, things that shoppers ask about.

And the AI doesn't have the information because it's not on the website.

Uh, what we do is that we highlight that information in

our, uh, management console where.

Merchants can see, okay, people ask about this and that there's no information

on the website to explain that at all.

And then merchants can add that information later on using, uh, using

the tools that we, uh, give them.

Fantastic, fantastic.

Ladies, gentlemen, let me just say, if you are enjoying the show, uh, and you are

in fact in e-commerce yourself, whether you're just starting out or whether you've

been around like me for a little while, whether you use, uh, show, Liz system

or whether you don't, wherever you are.

Uh, if you are in e-commerce, we have something called cohorts,

um, which I'm a part of.

We have a UK cohort, a US cohort just started.

And also one in Australia.

So, uh, New Zealand, the a NZ one, as we like to call it.

Um, it's free to join.

Uh, there's more information on the website, ecommercepodcast.net.

But if you wanna come hang out with other e-commerce entrepreneurs, ask

your questions, share your insights and thoughts, uh, then do come join us.

It's quite a fun little place just to come and chat, meet people, and we're

starting up new cohorts all the time.

Um, so yeah, just go to the website, ecommercepodcast.net and, uh, find

out more information about it.

We'd love to see you in there.

So Shauli, um, as you were talking, one of the things that sort of struck me, I

suppose, was, um, was persuasion, right?

This sort of, this old fashioned word of persuasion.

Rob, Robert Kini, you know, the, uh, persuasion.

Um, and if I'm selling a single product that's expensive and I

need a, I need to persuade people.

I can see how AI works, but I also get that there's a space for vending

machines, you know, that sell bottled water, because that's a, that's

not, it's not, is it a product?

Yes, I suppose it is, but it's, it's, it's just, it's water in a bottle, isn't it?

You don't, I don't need someone to sell me that.

I just need a quick, easy way to just, to buy it, which I think, what is,

what Amazon's become good at over the years, you know, that's where you go

to if you wanna buy your equivalent of the bottle water, I think is Amazon.

But one of the things I've noticed Amazon do.

Uh, and I think most of us have noticed this over the last few months, is

their AI shop assistant, haven't they?

I, I, you know, so they're, they're obviously thinking, yeah.

We, we, we should probably add this to our side ourselves.

Yeah.

Yeah, they added Rufuss.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's doing a great job.

I wonder, I dunno if they was rufuss, the name of the guy in Bill

and Ted's, um, excellent adventure.

Um, the, the sort of the guy.

Anyway, I'm just showing my age a little bit there.

I just go, I just wondered if that's where they got the name from.

I dunno why I thought about that.

I just did.

Um, but it, it strikes me that what I love with, with companies like yourself,

Shauli, is you make technology accessible.

So it's not just Amazon that can benefit from it.

Now sure.

They've got gazillions to spend on the development, you know, and,

and, and God bless them, you know?

Um, but you know, we, we don't have to keep giving Jeff our money, do we?

And so what you're doing is you're leveling the playing field and making

this, um, accessible for e-commerce.

And this is one of the things that excites me about technology at the moment

is, is just the ease of accessibility that we, that we have, um, and.

I quite like that, if I'm honest with you.

I think that's quite a nice thing to actually happen.

Um, and so yeah, I, I appreciate you doing it.

Um, one question, uh, I suppose that comes out of all of this, then.

Where's it going to?

Because at the moment, you know, we've got chatbots fairly soon we're gonna be

talking to AI like I do with Perplexing.

You're not gonna be able to distinguish it between a human voice and a, an AI voice.

And then I see it is we're gonna have video calls with AI because it's crazy

what Google can do with video now.

And so

in your product roadmap, where's, where's all this going to do you think?

So the more, obviously there's more adoption towards, uh.

Towards AI and towards, you know, towards usage of ai.

So we're on top of that.

And one of the things we're coming out with soon in uh, Q4 is voice to

voice, uh, full, uh, integration.

So you're able to shopper, you're able to just talk to the same way

you talk to per complexity, same exact idea, uh, just on your website.

So just.

On e-commerce websites, that's the next thing.

But that's like, that's very short term, uh, roadmap.

Uh, the longer roadmap and the way I see things, uh, develop in the future

is that there's gonna be a, a portion of the, um, there's definitely gonna

be a portion of the traffic that actually will never go to the website,

but we'll have a conversation, uh, you know, using perplexity, using chat pt,

they will have to talk to the website.

So what we're working on and started working on is, um, it's called

an MCP Model Context Protocol.

It's the way AI actually, uh, talk to other ai.

Basically, uh, in some big, some portion of the traffic will actually have an agent

to agent conversation so that the shopper will actually use its own tool, complexity

charge pt, and that tool will speak to other agents, other agents on the website.

What we're working on is we'll be able to represent the brand and give

them the agent to be able to do that.

So that's again, some portion of the traffic.

Of course, a lot of the traffic would still come from Facebook

campaigns, Instagram campaigns, TikTok, that's still gonna be,

uh, that's still gonna stay there.

But the chat or the search traffic is slowly migrating.

People see that towards chat PT

Mm.

right?

And we want to enable merchants to have their representation.

In those platforms.

So again, the AI of those platforms will speak to our AI that represents

the brand, represents the merchant, and the merchant needs to make sure

that, uh, obviously there's more, uh, more revenue for the merchant.

This is, this is where it, it starts to get quite deep and quite fascinating.

And so, um, and ladies, gentlemen, if you've not.

If you've not heard of CPS before, it's worth just, actually just going

onto YouTube and just watching a quick explain, a quick explainer video about

what they are, um, this ability for AI to, uh, in effect talk to other

applications or other bits of software on your behalf and get information back.

It's kind of like APIs, but on speed in some respects, isn't it?

It's kind of, it's the next sort of level.

I think it's a really interesting technology if it catches on and it, and

I see it starting to catch on and the fact that you are, uh, talking about

this show Lee, and about developing these cps, I think is quite fascinating.

Um, because you are right.

It's the fact now, I mean, my fa the, the AI of choice for me is

not actually chat GPT anymore.

I use C Claude, I use clawed a lot and actually clawed.

Um, were Claude the ones that sort of founded the whole MCP

thing anyway, whichever way,

I've integrated a whole bunch with Claude.

I don't even have to open up my email anymore.

I can just say to Claude, I'll just, what's in my inbox that I need to

look at and just get rid of anything that I don't need to know about.

I, I, and it goes away and it reads your email and he goes, well read these,

and I've thrown those away, you know?

Brilliant.

It's, it's, it's the most extraordinary thing and I think.

The fact that you, you can, you are thinking about doing that with e-commerce,

I think is actually really quite exciting because I think you are right,

we are using chat, GPT or Perplexity or Claudes now to research products.

Um, and I think if there's one thing that we've learned from TikTok and one

thing we've learned from Instagram is actually when you build these platforms.

Make it so people can buy in the platform.

Right.

If you, if you really wanna monetize it, make it so people can buy in

the platform, which Instagram we're a bit slow to do, let's be fair.

Um, and I, I, I think it's quite extraordinary.

So yeah, I Do you think it's going that way?

That we will be able to buy products in our chat, GPT in our clawed models?

Definitely, definitely.

It's already happening.

I know that.

Um.

A lot of companies are moving that way to, to make sure that that

happens and Chedi is all for it.

Uh, Chedi wants to kill Google, basically, uh, search, uh, you know, Google

shopping and Google search in general and bring their, the traffic their way.

So they're definitely moving that direction.

And, uh, that's why our, our job is to enable brands to, to have,

to be able to compete with us.

'cause otherwise we always, you know, the, the brand that doesn't have

that representation, which is lost.

And, uh, yeah, it's definitely going that way.

The portion of this search traffic, for sure.

No doubt.

Again, there's, there's other tr other, you know, other traffic

sources, email, uh, social that's gonna stay in their, their domain.

But the search traffic is slowly moving from Google.

And yeah.

Which is fascinating, isn't it?

It just, I mean, you do wonder what Google, I mean Google's obviously

got Google Gemini, which they're trying like crazy to get everybody

to use and integrate and everything into Google for the same reason.

They wanna hold onto, I think that search traffic.

Um, and to be fair, they probably got access to way more data than

every man, you know, and they should be able to make it work.

But it's, it's gonna be.

AI is gonna be the, the sort of the next thing, isn't it?

Everyone's always wanting to know what the next thing is, where's the next

source of customers gonna come from?

It was emailed.

Then Google Search came along and then um, Facebook came along, and

then it was Instagram, then it was tick, and we sort of go through these.

Oh, right, what's the next one?

I need to get my head around.

And it, it, it very much feels like it's gonna be ai, doesn't it?

With these, like you say, everyone's sort of thinking about this, like,

how do I get chat GPT to know that I exist so that when someone asks about

product X, you know, we, we come up.

I think it's, um, there's a big opportunity for companies isn't there?

If they, if they can crack that early doors, I would've thought.

Yep.

Yeah, so I think it's super important to be on top of, uh, the

technology and understand where it's going and be ahead of the curve.

'cause that can obviously, uh, help with competition and uh, I think

companies should always, merchants should always think of how to be

ahead and definitely not be behind.

So don't be late for the party.

That's the title of today's podcast, ladies and gentlemen.

Do not be late to the party.

So the um, how long do you think it'll be before you have the MCP technology?

When are we gonna start to see something like that come to play?

So it obviously has, has to go also with adoption of that, of the, the traffic debt

buys, uh, through Cha pt, through Claude.

Um.

We're seeing that somewhere in 2026, it's gonna become something.

Uh, so we're developing it ahead, so we'll be there.

So once it's, uh, the adoption is there, once shoppers actually want to buy, uh,

without viewing the website, then we'll be there and we'll be able to offer that.

So we'll already have early customers that are using that specific feature.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Uh, fantastic.

Fanta, I'm very excited by that.

And I'll be keeping an eye out on the website to understand

what is going on there.

'cause it, I do think you're onto something.

I really do.

I think that's, uh, that's quite clever.

Um, yeah, no, it, one of the things, I mean, sort of rewinding

back a little bit, so we've talked a little bit about the future, if

we come back to the present day.

Um, one of the things, uh, that I asked you again before we hit record was,

what's the one mistake we're all making?

Um, and you said that it was, that we're thinking that AI is just

really about customer support only.

Do you wanna expand on that a little second?

Definitely.

Um, so again, our offering is to have AI that helps with sales on the website.

Uh, AI is a chat bot, AI that, that's on the text medium.

And a lot of brands, when they, when we offer that to them or we

have a conversation, a lot of, uh, lot of marketers, head of

Ecomms will say, Hey, oh, okay.

That's chat.

Chat is none of my business.

Sorry.

Chat belongs to the CX department or the customer support department and will

actually will not even understand that it is there to also help with sales.

And this is the main function.

We actually, uh, promote AI that helps with sales.

It also helps, helps with support.

No problem.

If someone wants to know their order status, no problem.

Uh, but it's there to mainly make sure that the top line is, is higher,

that we increase revenue, increase conversion rate, and average order value.

That's the main thing.

Uh.

That's usually, um, not, uh, I would say ignored or like

that possibility is ignored.

So I think that's the number one mistake is that they're handing

off the conversation to support instead of keeping it themselves

and saying, I'm the owner of this.

I'm the owner of conversion, I'm the owner of, uh, of sales on the website,

and I should use every tool possible, especially new tools that are not coming

out, uh, that will help me do my job.

Yeah.

No, that's great.

I, I, and I get that, I understand that, um, there has to be a mental

shift, isn't there in the, in the.

Ahead of the guy or gal who's, who's running the whole shebang and,

and, and getting up and running.

One crazy thought that came into my head sort of sideways there.

Um, Shauli, as you were talking,

is there a site out there?

I dunno if you know the answer.

And ladies, gentlemen, if you know the answer, I'd be curious to see it.

That actually you go to the site and it is purely AI driven.

There is no, there is no navigation, right?

Where you just, you literally go on the site.

It's an e-commerce site.

It's all conversational.

Has anyone done that?

And I'm curious to know what the results are.

So there's no nav, there's no products, there's no store, there's

no shop by category or, or whatever.

It's just literally, welcome to the store, tell me what you want.

I'm your concierge and I'm gonna go away and I'm gonna start and, and I'm

gonna start to build this for you.

So I specific, I personally don't know of any website that has made that shift yet.

I truly believe that this is the future.

Okay.

The future is there.

So, um, our solution, by the way, allows brands to have that ability.

So if they on mobile, that's how it looks at the moment.

The, the shopper speaks to the ai, it goes on full screen and mobile.

And the AI does everything for the shoppers.

So adding to cart, showing products.

Even moving to checkout.

So moving between different pages so the AI can actually, uh, completely, uh,

replace the navigation of the website.

There's no need for that anymore.

So the ability is there, uh, and I truly believe that we'll start

seeing more and more websites that will say, Hey, you know what?

I don't need the actual website anymore because especially on mobile, by the way.

Desktop, it's a different thing.

You can see a lot of products all at once.

It's nice on mobile.

It's not on mobile.

You can see one product at a time and you have to switch, you have to flip between.

Dozens, hundreds of different products, right?

And, uh, the ability of having AI is that AI is able to narrow down those results,

have a conversation saying, you know what?

We've got thousands of products.

Let me ask you a few questions, uh, about yourself to try to know you so I

can, uh, recommend you something, right?

So that, uh, experience is obviously much, much better than viewing

thousands of products on mobile.

And this is the shift that's going on.

Truly believe that next year we're gonna see some, uh, websites that are gonna

be a hundred percent conversational.

I'm, I'm actually, as you're talking, I'm actually thinking, I, there's a

few websites that I have where I'm thinking, how can I make that happen?

Just as an experiment.

I'd be really curious to see what the, uh, what the results were.

So.

I'm, I'm gonna have a little ponder on that.

One of them is actually on Shopify, so I'm kind of like, I wonder if I could, anyway.

I will just now go down a rabbit hole in my head, which is probably not helpful.

Uh, but surely, listen, I I, as I say this regularly to guess, but I,

I, I genuinely mean it all the time.

It just feels like we're just getting started with the conversation.

Uh, and I'm, but I am aware of time.

So, uh, if people wanna reach you, if they want to connect with you, if

they wanna find out more about hello rep.ai, um, how do they do that?

What's the best way to reach you?

So go on our website.

hellorep.Ai.

Um, and if you talk to sales and from certain, uh, stage, you're gonna

be talking to our sales and we're going to instruct you on how to, uh.

To, uh, just optimize your account better.

By the way, it's a fully self serve platform plug and play.

So, uh, you know, it's super easy to, uh, to, um, interact, to go live.

We offer 30 day free trial, super important, and we offer, uh, ROI

guarantee annual your results.

So we guarantee ROI of five x on on your results basically.

So if you can't see an increase in sales.

At least five times the, uh, price point, the, the tier, uh, um, value.

Then you won't have to pay us.

Simple as that.

So there's no risk on your side, and we offer 20% off, uh, to

any of listeners of the show.

So please mention that you, uh, you, you know, you heard on us on the

show, um, and you'll get to 20% off.

Um, yeah,

Brilliant.

There you go.

Can't say further than that.

Uh, so yeah, so the website again is hellorep.ai.

Um, Shauli listen, there's a couple of things I need to do before we sign off.

Number one is I want to ask for the question for maps.

This is where you give me a question.

I. And I go away on the wonderful social media, and I'll answer

the question over there.

As I've said to people over, over the months we've been doing this,

ask me any question you like, what's your question, my friend?

Since, uh, you're fan of, uh, American football now, uh, I'm gonna ask you,

um, what, um, what, what do you think is the, why is American football better

than English soccer or vice versa?

And, uh, what tips would you, uh, give to someone who's also new

to, uh, American football and, uh.

Doesn't know much about it and how to get more, to be more of a fan of,

uh, this new sport for me at least.

Okay.

Very good question.

Very, very good question.

Uh, I'm, I'm, and again, I'm trying to think how I would answer

this, but let's not do that now.

I'll do that on social media.

So if you've not done so already, come follow me on LinkedIn at Matt Edmundson.

Uh, and we will post the content there at some point.

Uh, the, the second thing I like to do, Shauli, right at the end of the show.

I call it now, saving the best tool.

Last, what's your best tip, your best strategy, um, for our listeners regarding

this whole topic of AI in shopping, uh, that we've not already covered.

I want to give a, give them the most insane value, the best value to those

that listened right till the end.

What would it be?

I would say always listen to, um, to what's out there.

Always explore new tools.

Be ahead of the curve.

Don't be a lagger.

It's very important, uh, and just evaluate and truly evaluate tools.

In their sophistication, in the value that they bring.

So value is very important.

Don't just jump into because to something, because it has a nice buzzword, but

actually like try to and see the value.

And if it brings value, then it's great.

If it doesn't, then explore other options.

Um, that's my tip for delay.

I love that and this, this describes half my life at the moment, is just

trying different things with different.

Uh, uh, different pieces of software and just figuring out what's

working well for us and ditching what's not working well for us, um,

which is, is super, super helpful.

So, uh, Shauli, thank you so much for joining us.

My friend genuinely loved the conversation.

Uh, I thought it was fascinating, uh, really intrigued to see where it goes.

And all the best with hellorep.Ai and, and let me know when you

get the MCP thing working.

Will do.

Will do.

Thank you.