you're not willing to forgive yourself and you're not

surrendering yourself to God's will.

And you're trying to figure it out all by yourself.

And if you don't let go of all of that, you're just going to be stuck or you're

going to find yourself repeating the same thing over and over again, which I did.

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Go create.

Oh, thank you so much for having me.

Thanks for the introduction.

You and I've had a brief chat a while back, man.

We connected well and loved it and said, man, we need to talk

more with the microphone going.

So here we are.

And I gave you a slight warning on this and we're both

excited about this question.

So let's start this way.

Somebody asked Ron, what do you do?

What's your answer?

When somebody asks you that.

Gosh, that is, as soon as you told me that question, I was like,

man, that is the hardest question.

And it's like, what is your elevator pitch?

Right.

But it's such a, it's a, it's a unique question because it kind

of depends who I'm talking to.

Right.

And so for the longest time I had two different versions of me

and now it's okay, I just want everything to be very singular.

So for me, My mission is to help men become spiritual leaders in their family

and actually, actually lead their family well and not lose their family because

I found myself a while back in that spot and God really Slap me across the

face, if you will, to get my attention.

And in the past I've helped people launch podcasts.

I'm very passionate about that, but now it's really turning that passion

to help Christians launch podcasts.

And, I enjoy doing that.

but for me, it's about leading men.

I lead a men's ministry at my church and and helping them really understand

who God's calling them to be in their families and it's a lot different

than what society tells you to

All right.

So you opened up the store.

So I'm going to go through it.

go for

said you, you used to give two different responses.

Let's go back in time and tell me when it was that if someone asked you what

you do and give me the two responses that you gave, because we, we kind

of uncover a bunch of stuff here.

We like the journey and things like that.

So tell me old Ron or Ron before you were cool or something like that.

I don't know.

what was

before I was cool.

I wasn't born.

So that that's that one's easy, but

thing and I want the audience because the audience is going,

is this guy's name really Ron cool.

And yes, it's a name that you were given at birth.

Correct.

That is correct.

Try ordering something online.

It's not as cool, quote unquote, as you would think it is.

um, but All right,

back up, back up.

Give me the, give me the, the two, the two headed Ron answer for what you do and

tell me roughly when it would have been,

okay, that's super easy.

So it was about.

Almost four and a half, five years ago.

And there was, there was, there was like a home run, which was a totally

different person than people saw outside.

And then there was the, at work Ron or the entrepreneur Ron,

which was extremely driven.

and if people ask me what I did, I helped them, increase their

visibility, traffic and sales.

It was really simple.

I, I created an agency around that and.

It was driven money.

It was to make money.

And that's what my focus was.

And I, my problem is I am a, I'm a workaholic and that

was a lot of fun for me.

So I said whatever I needed to say to get people to look

at it in their frame of mind.

So I can chameleon to whatever.

Someone needed to hear to get them to understand they needed X

product to help them with their visibility trafficking and sales in,

in their entrepreneurial journey.

Um, and I took a lot of credit for that.

I took all the credit for that.

And, fast forwarding to who I am now, God really was showing me like, if

you look back, if you look back at that journey, there was never an ad.

There was never, Anything we did to get a client, clients came to us and those

clients were all faith based Christian entrepreneurs and I took all the credit

and never gave credit to God and he asked me to shut that down, right?

And by shutting that down, I had to really focus on who I was

because my identity was that guy.

My identity was that Ron cool and that identity.

I even, I would get confused at home.

Right.

And then I would find myself selling my wife into an idea, right?

And it wasn't like I meant to do it.

It was just, that's who I became.

And it's funny because on the journey I had to explain to my wife, Hey, who I was.

I created a persona of who I thought everyone wanted me to

be probably in eighth grade.

Like it's not a small, short ask.

It was.

This is who I needed to be to become popular.

This is who I needed to be, to be the most liked person.

This is who I needed to be to climb the corporate ladder.

It didn't matter, but I was never just who God asked me to be.

did you have a relationship with him growing along or were, were you,

were you, would you just plug in and all when it was, when it was convenient or

when you thought it needed to happen?

I think it's funny because, God, God is really, we just had a small

group and they're like, okay, was God really like trying to talk to you or

get your attention up into that point?

And what's funny is prior to meeting my wife, Um, I did not have a relationship,

he used her to bring me to him and she's always made me a better person.

When we first, when we first started dating, like she, she's

very, very much, Very Christian.

Let's just put it that way.

She knows the Bible.

She can spit verses like that.

I, I cannot, I could roundabout say something, but it's like

first John 15, whatever.

Right.

She knows it.

And when we started dating, she's like, Hey, our foundation

has to be rooted in God.

And I was like, okay, so it's like our third or fourth date, we went to go get

new Bibles and we're at the Bible store.

I was like, Hey, why don't you just put your new name on it?

Cause you know how you can engrave it.

Right.

It's like third date, third date.

And I was like, just put your new name on it.

And she looks at me, she goes, really?

I go, you want it to last forever, right?

You don't want to just use it for a season.

And so she put Rachel Coole on her Bible, right?

But, we, we drew very close to God.

we got married and we were getting really close, but the enemy loves to go

where You know, to break the unity and, and he loves that and I fell away, we

moved, we had a great church in Indiana.

We moved back to Colorado and we were in another church that just

had the wrong attitude about it.

And so I disconnected myself from it.

And once I disconnected myself from it, I became who I was before I got married.

It was, it was like, Oh, That's an easy fix, right?

then, we, going

along, going almost,

I want to pause you.

I want to pause you real quick here because this is, this is what came to me.

So I'm going to ask it here before we get too far down the road.

sure, sure, go for it.

someone says something like that and, and truthfully,

Ron, you're telling a lot of mine and my wife's story too.

I didn't ask her to put her name on a Bible.

I was going to ask you if that was your proposal.

I'm going, that's an interesting proposal.

Do you want to, do you want to buy a Bible and put my last name on it?

I'm.

right,

Trying to think if that's good or not.

So my wife in our dating process asked me about my spiritual walk.

And I was in some philosophy class at the time at Georgia tech.

And I kind of gave her a flippant, not the correct answer.

She didn't like the answer.

And so I had to get back in sales and pitch mode, which to me, you seem like a

pretty good sales pitch guy too, from what I've heard, even in the few times we met.

right,

but then, and then there was a journey that went on from that.

I won't go into that, but it sounds like there was part of a journey.

But when I hear somebody say they started down a path and then they fell back, it

kind of makes me want to know, did they really start down the path or was it, or

were they still, and I'll go ahead and say it exactly this way, were they still

serving, trying to serve two masters, God?

And mammon and what I'm hearing and you can, and then I'll pause and you could

chime in and keep going with the story.

What I'm hearing is that you were probably trying to serve two masters.

That's not possible.

100%.

and, and I would love to say I was trying to not serve two masters.

That's just a lie.

I was serving, not God.

that's the end of the story.

and, I.

I don't like surrendering to anything.

Okay.

I just don't.

Um, and he had to break order to allow, and this is interesting.

This is, this is really interesting.

So I'm going to, I'm going to fast forward and then we can go

back or wherever you want to go.

But, he's been really telling me to get out of the book.

Okay.

And, and I'm like, all right, Lord, cause.

And when this journey started, he told me to get to know Peter, right?

And I'm like, okay, I'll just do studies on Peter and all this other stuff.

And this is three years, three and a half years ago, four years.

And, know, I shut down my business.

I really just focused on my marriage.

I focused on chasing God and really going after God.

and then whatever God said to do, I just said, yes.

So one was closing the business.

And, and that's a story we could talk about later, but, um, this whole, get to

know Peter was just resonating with me.

I was like, Oh my gosh.

So I'm reading everything.

And then the chosen TV show comes on and my family, we watch that.

We don't watch any other TV and we're watching.

And there was an argument between his wife and Peter and Peter was very arrogant.

Peter was very self centered.

Peter could do it all himself.

And I'm like, ouch.

Okay, Lord, I understand.

Okay, so then, three years later, I'm, I've grown a lot in my spiritual growth.

I'm helping out at church a lot differently, but I keep

hearing, get out of the boat.

I'm like, what is get out of the boat?

Right.

And, and I'm talking to Rach about it.

I'm like, all right, honey, he keeps saying, get out of the boat.

Is it a comfort boat?

What is it like?

Take the step, take the step, take the step.

Okay.

I'm going to take a step.

I don't know what that means.

but then, we watched season three episode, the last episode of the chosen

and it's when Peter stepped out of the boat and kept his eyes on him.

And I was like, okay, that's nice.

Didn't resonate.

Okay.

Okay.

It was the first time like a Peter thing didn't resonate.

So I'm in my quiet time and.

I get very clearly go watch the show again.

And I'm like, we just watched it.

So it's Friday night movie night.

We're turning on The Chosen and my oldest daughter goes, Hey, let's

just start it over until season four.

And I go, I need to watch this one again.

I know we just watched it last week and everyone's Okay, and I, Rachel knew what I

was talking about and I'm watching it and I just start and she goes, Are you okay?

I was like, no.

Like I understand, I understand what he's saying now.

Take this step and keep your eyes on me.

And I've been afraid to take a step for the last two and a half years.

I've never been patient.

It's actually freaked my wife out because I'm a doer and I've just been not doing.

and what I realized is me taking that step, I was afraid that step led back

to the old me and I didn't want that.

And he's as long as you trust me and look at me, it won't.

Real quick, it's probably not a quick answer.

What does the, what does the boat represent?

wow, that's a great question because I've, I thought I knew what it

meant where I, kind of the comfortability, I've been helping out at church doing

things there and it's okay, and this is something I'm wrestling with like

right now, does that boat mean stop doing that and do what I told you to do?

and it could be.

It could be that.

and and so that's this is, this is super fresh.

This is like a week ago, So it's I'm still processing it, but I'm starting

to really understand the step he's asking me to take is the step he asked

me to take three and a half years ago, which is really focused on men and

really focus on like the new path.

New you came from him.

I tried to argue with God about the name, not being available.

And I was like, you, you know how you reason with the, the, with

that work out?

How'd that, how'd that argument go with you?

I'll tell you how it went, I was like, God, there's no way new path.

New you is available.

that seems very logical for anyone to do and no one had it.

And I was like, that's weird.

And I was like, all right, Lord, if I'm truly supposed to do it, the URL will

be available, which it won't be like a.

com won't be available for new path.

New you.

com.

I got it for a penny, a penny.

For two years a penny and I'm like, wow, Lord.

Okay.

So then I jumped on it and then what's funny.

I've helped hundreds of people launch shows.

And my, my third thing I talk about is imposter syndrome.

Right?

And I talk about it all the time.

I've never had it ever, ever.

ever.

I've been on stages.

Uh, I've had 400 episodes of another show.

I've just never had it.

And then I'm doing this, Do a new path new you and I had it and

I was like, what are you doing?

And the voice in my head is shouldn't be, this isn't, no one will like you.

And he went and went right after everything that I've built up

since I was in seventh grade.

Right.

And, and I stopped for just a second.

I stopped.

And I was like, no, no, no, no, no.

I got to push through this.

I got to push through it.

So then I pushed through and during that push through, I was able to

get some really cool guests on it.

So it's okay, see that wouldn't have happened.

And the enemy's trying to block those connections.

Right?

So it's, it's very interesting.

So the boat, I would love to tell you what the boat means.

I'm processing because I was offered to do something else that

I just don't feel lines up with.

What God's asking me to do.

So now it's maybe my time to get out of that boat.

I think it's fascinating.

It's a great, it's a great conversation and I think it's a

great conversation with two guys.

Women may not get this, truthfully, I don't know.

I know we have women listening in, but.

Two guys that think they know answers often.

That's our identity.

I actually circled identity again.

I wrote it and then I circled it again while you were just talking.

That's our identity.

we, we know the answer.

We know what to do.

We've got strategies.

We got plans.

We, Hey, come on.

that's, that's what we do.

And then to, to ask a fairly simple question from an

instruction, get out of the boat.

What, what is that boat?

I mean, the boat represented for Peter, that's their tool for business.

Oh,

stopped doing business?

for, for Peter, it meant comfort.

If there was a, the water was a little, we don't fish, but I mean, we

try to use, the fishermen analogies.

Is it all right?

Is it?

Something that we have confused with our identity, which I think, yes, but

something that came to me while you were talking and I'll just mention it

and then you can respond, I think it might be just get out of who you are

today to what the next step is, and, maybe we're making too much of it.

Or not enough.

I don't know, but it's, it's a, it's a good conversation.

Right.

Right.

No.

And, and it's, it's like for this last three years, I'm

just not who I used to be.

And, I'll share a story.

So August, 2021, like my father in law, he's a deacon at a church.

we don't go to his church, but he's a deacon there.

And, like when I first met him, his, he's huge, he's a big man

and he's got this baritone, Right.

And, that's not very deep, but you understand it's God's talking to you when

this man is talking to you and his first question is, when did you meet the Lord?

And I was like, right now, right now.

And I probably need a new pair of pants.

So yeah, there's those two things.

Right.

Cause I like, that's the first question out of his mouth.

Right.

Anyway, fast forward.

like he obviously could tell I didn't.

Right.

And that's why he asked the question.

Okay?

So fast forward, I, I pulled him aside.

I said, Hey, I kind of need your help with something.

Rachel and I are going to start going on some dates and I really

just need you to watch the kids.

Can you do that?

And I'd love it.

Love it to be weekly if possible.

If not, let's just pick at some times.

That's all I said to him.

His answer was the following.

Yes.

Cause I could tell you met the Lord.

I don't know what happened.

I didn't even know how to answer that.

Right?

So then I was like, okay, that's interesting.

That's interesting.

So I went in, I talked to my wife.

I was like, that was a weird answer.

It wasn't, he didn't need to say that.

Okay.

Fast forward, I'm meeting with someone that I, that used to work for me.

Okay.

And I'm, I'm having lunch and, and I was talking to her about,

she's a catering director about catering something at our church.

And she goes, Hey, can I say something?

I was like, sure.

She goes.

You kind of have the same aura of who you are, but you're just a lot nicer.

And I was like, wow, that was, that was interesting, but going back

to the thing of new you, right.

I think you're a hundred percent right.

I think the boat is get out of the comfort.

I already got out of the business.

I closed the business.

So I got out of that boat and I trusted him and he's provided.

It's amazing.

We've had that conversation before.

I've let go of who I was.

However, I never stood.

I became this person, but I never like it.

Went out with that person.

Does that make sense?

I think now he is no, go, go do now.

Yeah.

And, all of that's good.

There's a, I think if someone's listening, depending on where they are in their

journey, there might be something that may nag at them just a little bit.

It used to nag at me.

I've gotten to where I accept it, but I'm going to ask the question for, for my

benefit and maybe someone who's listening.

Why you have to close your business?

Mm.

That could be practical.

It could be spiritual.

There could be other reasons.

I mean, for us, just real quick, our journey was the business closed on its

own because it was 2008 and we were in real estate, so it was like, I wasn't

really asked to get out of the boat.

I was the boat sank.

I don't know, maybe that's not a good analogy, but there was

all of a sudden there was no boat there.

And I'm going, Oh my gosh, I gotta, I gotta walk on the lawn.

Anyway, I'll have to think about that.

That's that's never come out that way, but and maybe even be, we could go hyper

spiritual or we can go super practical for the person listening in, because

there are some people that that's something that's really going to bug them.

Why did you have to close the business?

Yeah.

So I think, I, I'll try to do a little of both, but I'll just tell the story.

Um, so my wife was a stay-at-Home Mom.

We have three kids.

Our income was this business.

Okay.

And this business was doing very well.

I mean, it was, it was doing great.

We had 45 people working for us.

it was just me and my partner, all of our clients were Christians.

And, I, I met the Lord and I was like, okay, I'm going to start just

really doing who God's called me to do all the time, not just sometimes.

So we're having this conversation with this client and she's

just having a hard time.

And I go, Hey.

I read something today and I think maybe it was for you and I just shared

the scripture with her and we started having this great conversation.

I don't even know what I said.

No idea.

And she started crying and she goes, I needed that.

I was like, cool.

Can you let me know what I told you?

Because I really don't remember.

but I didn't say that, but my partner was quiet the entire time.

And we get off the call and he's hey, I was uncomfortable with it.

I go, with what?

He's like the whole God thing.

And I said, cool, God's always going to win always, uh, found out he's, he, I

mean, I knew he was an atheist, but it be, it became very evident at that point.

So we had the conversation of, Hey, all these clients are Christian,

who do you think gave it to us?

Right.

and, and, at that point I

One quick thing, one quick thing, Ron, was that an intentional thing

of every, all the clients being Christian?

Did y'all market for that or did it just organically?

just organically.

Interesting.

and, and, looking back, God orchestrated all of it, you know, he's

boom, boom, boom, you can help all this.

And so I didn't give him credit for that at that point.

Anyway.

know, fast forward, I, I pause doing any new work, any new work, I stopped

it and I really just was focusing on my relationship with the Lord and my wife.

That was it.

And.

I paused the company for a year, just a year we had, we had,

everything was on autopilot anyway.

And he said, shut it down.

I was like, okay, okay.

I went downstairs, closed it, fired everybody.

None.

We were done.

It came upstairs.

They told my wife, I go, Hey, we, we, I fired everybody and I closed it.

She goes, Oh, what are we going to do?

And I go, we're going to do whatever God says And we're going to trust

him and he's going to provide.

Cause he's faithful and that's all I said, and that was three years ago.

God's been faithful and it's, it's not easy for me.

You know, I had to work out a lot of things from being my

identity as the provider, right.

To really understanding God's the provider, right.

And I'm just the steward of what he provides.

And I'm still not really good at that.

I'm working on it.

Right.

Like I haven't arrived on any level whatsoever, and that's,

that's new for me to say anyway.

Um, I'm working at it, So I think practical, it was about obedience.

It didn't matter if it was hard or whatever.

Like he died on the cross for us.

That's hard.

That's hard work.

Me closing a company, it stunk.

Cause I love those people.

God had better plans.

And you can't get to the cooler plans or the new thing he wants

to do with old wine skins.

And that's what we just kept seeing over and over and over again.

New wine, new wine, new wine skins.

And so like right now we're in a season of preparation.

We don't even know what that means.

We're just preparing.

Is that moving?

Maybe like we're preparing the house.

We don't even know if that's what it is, but we're just preparing.

So I don't know if that answered it or not,

It does a little bit.

I might, I might ask you to get a little bit.

I don't even know if this is granular.

I don't even know, but I mean, so to, to someone would say, all right, so God told

you to, to shut down and fire 45 people.

What about those people?

You know, what, what about their role?

What about, what about the clients that, we heard their Christian clients,

how did, how did that, that seems a little harsh for some of that.

And, and, and, let's, so here's then the third part of it, you could

address, you probably went from X amount to, zero times X, unless there

were some things still built in there.

And then, Address those things too, because then I want to ask, the

next thing is, like, how is he, this is the way I word it now, because

I've been through similar things.

When someone asks me questions that are a little more logistical,

the wording that I use is, this is how he's getting resources.

yes,

To us right now.

So maybe think in terms like, and, and I don't know why.

And again, Ron, my, our, our story, people kind of want to know how, how did you go

from, seven figure businesses to homeless and bankrupt and then where you are now.

And I go, there's a story there.

Do you have time to quit?

so we got a little bit of time, I guess is the point.

so tell me about the people because there's a heart for people.

And then, maybe we went from here to here and here's what's going on now.

Yeah.

No.

So the people were easy.

I found them jobs because they were important to me.

So I had a couple of connections in the microcontent space and I found

all of them work with other companies.

So that was very simple, but I had to let them know that this

company was no longer right.

And so it worked out, it worked out great for them as for the clients.

It was just, it was a real conversation.

It was funny because none of them were upset because also my goal,

I never wanted a client to stay with me forever, ever, ever, ever.

ever.

I gave them the tools to do everything I did for them on their own.

And so no one felt high and dry, not a single person.

And, and that was as far as I'm concerned, a blessing, because I didn't, I was

still trying to please everybody.

but at the end of the day, I had to do what God was really calling me to do.

And it was not easy.

And walking away from that, especially when I'm a planner, I focus on things.

I am risk aversion.

I can plan everything to a T.

And not fail.

That's how my whole life's been, and I don't like it.

I don't like failing.

So I will plan everything to be successful.

And this was not that time.

And then, so my wife expected me to go launch something and

take off and do something new.

And I've just become patient and waited the Lord.

And so that's what I've been doing.

It kind of freaked her out.

And then resource wise to kind of touch on that.

It's very interesting how resources come.

Uh, she was.

She was offered a, staff role at the church that we didn't ask for.

We didn't talk about, and it fits what.

She's she has a degree in sociology and psychology and she's the kid's director

and makes all the sense in the world.

And, so now that did not, that did not equal equal out.

but it's, it's, it's interesting cause then we had some people go, Hey, we had a

flat tire and someone at church goes, Hey, I'm feeling called to buy you new tires.

I'm like, I, I appreciate that.

I don't need new tires.

And she, and, and he goes.

I understand that.

Just God told me to buy you tires.

So I'm buying you tires.

And here's a check.

And I was like, what, what?

My, my favorite story that I tell people, cause it makes no

sense, but I'll, I'll share it.

I was driving my wife's car cause all of our cars were paid off and I was driving

my wife's car and I was going to pick up, um, my kids where normally they would

have been in the car, but they weren't.

And at 60 miles an hour, I slammed into it, totaled her car.

Everyone was fine.

I walked out, she walked out.

She was really nice about it.

it was around Easter and, we were serving for Easter and the pastures,

my wife didn't, I'm going to give everyone something not to do.

She didn't answer my phone call.

So I just texture a picture of the car and so she instantly started crying with the

pastors and I was like, we're fine, but I heard in my voice because I was literally

an hour away from everybody I heard in my, my head call my mother in law.

I was like, that's weird.

So I called my mother in law.

She was a block away from me.

So she came and got me and yeah, God was so good at this because

that could have ended poorly for the other person or for me.

that could have ended poorly if my kids were in the car.

There could have been so many ended purely badly, right?

So then my mother in law was in a car accident a couple months prior to that

and it took him forever to get the check.

Right.

And it was the same thing.

She hit a car, took forever.

So I was like, Oh my gosh, my mom had a, has two cars.

One, they're both new and one was just sitting around.

And I was like, Hmm, I'm going to ask my mom, mom, can I borrow your car?

Cause I just destroyed mine.

Right.

That was kind of hard.

So she gave me her car to borrow, but I was afraid to drive it.

Cause I was like, I don't want to wreck that.

Why did I wreck my wife's car instead of my car?

it was a nicer Lexus SUV.

And I was like, what am I going to do?

So then the pastors just started praying double portion, double portion.

And I'm looking at like the Kelly blue book of my car.

And it was like 9, 000.

I was like, Oh my gosh, like I'm not going to be able to replace my wife's car.

Cause we don't like car payments.

Right.

And I kept hearing pastors praying double portion over us, double portion.

So the insurance gets back to me Monday, four days later.

It goes, Hey, here's what the is, here's your check.

It's 18, 000.

I'm like, what?

That's awesome.

That's a double portion, right?

Not realizing how the used car market was, everything was so expensive and it

was a worse vehicle than what she had.

And I was like, what am I going to do?

And I asked my wife, I go, what color car do you want?

And she goes, I don't care, just don't spend more.

And I go, cool, can you just tell me the color car you want?

And she goes, fine, pearl white.

And I go, that was oddly specific, right?

I was like, oddly specific.

So I'm talking to her dad, who also works in the car business, and he's laughing.

He goes, you know what color it won't be.

I said, absolutely.

I know what color it's not going to be.

Right.

And I go, I can't even find a car that matches.

What we want in the lower mileage that we had because we have a low mileage and

It's not gonna be as nice and so we're looking and we couldn't find anything.

We couldn't find anything.

We're gonna settle So I was talking to my mom.

She goes I go.

Hey mom because you know how the insurance does they give you X amount?

they give you X amount until they get the title and then

they give you the rest and I go.

Hey mom I found this This car.

it kind of works, kind of works.

And she goes, where's it at?

And I go, I don't know.

One of those rinky dink deal dealers on, on Broadway.

She goes, no, because I needed like the X amount of money.

And then I was just going to pay her back when I got the insurance.

And she goes, no, just go back to Lexus.

And I go, mom, they don't have something at Lexus that fits what I need.

And she goes, what are you looking for?

And I go, mom, I just want the same kind of car.

Like I don't want anything.

And she goes, what color does Rachel want?

And I go.

She ironically said Pearl White, but said no big deal, right?

And I go, Mom, there's not going to be anything.

She goes, did you check this other Lexus that was like two hours away?

And ironically, they had a Pearl White Lexus SUV that was newer,

less miles than what she had.

And it was double the amount of what I had.

And I go, okay, Mom, this is the only thing they have.

So I'm not going to do it.

And she goes, I'll pay for it.

Go get it.

I was like, I'm sorry.

What?

And, and my father in law was praying for God to do exceedingly abundantly

more than you could ever ask.

Right?

So I call my, my wife and I go, Hey, my mom just said this and she goes, no.

And I go, yeah, it's kind of where I was like, that's a lot, so I

was talking to my father in law and telling him the whole story.

He goes, timeout.

We literally just prayed.

For God to do exceedingly more than you could ever ask.

So now you need to decide, is your pride going to get in the way?

Are you going to accept the blessing?

I was like, ouch.

Okay.

So I call my wife, I go, I'm going to go pick up your car.

I'll see you in a minute.

So I call this dealer and I go.

I'm coming from two hours away.

Do not bait and switch me.

I want this car.

Do not sell it.

Like I'm paying cash.

And he goes, I put sold on it.

I said, okay, if I come like, and it's gone, I'm really angry.

And so I get there and there's my salesman and this couple arguing about the car.

I'm like, Oh, what's going on?

And he goes, I come out, I go, Hey, what, what's up?

And he goes, funny story.

I go, I'm sure it is.

I'm sure it is.

And he goes, right when you called and said you wanted this

car, their deal fell through.

And then I put it on hold.

They went to the bank, figured out there was a mistake, came back to try to buy it.

And now it was sold out from under them.

And I said, that was just a God thing.

So thank you.

I'm really sorry.

And then they ended up getting a different car.

But it was, it was just crazy how all of that works.

So talking about, God gives resources from unexplained places before I

would have said, I figured that out.

what my mom did.

Right.

Old Ron, that would have been the answers.

New Ron, all glory to God, all glory.

There's, there was a double upon double blessing that.

I can't explain except for only God, only God could have taken a 9, 000

car and turned it into a 50, 000.

Only God.

So one thing, Ron, that's interesting, there's two things

that I picked up from that story.

One, I'll get to in just a second, but with, with new With new path, new you,

and with what you're doing in ministry.

And it seems like it's where it seems like it might be the boat you're in currently.

I'll say it that way.

How about that?

We'll start, we'll start using the right language here.

So the boat you're in currently is obviously, communicating to men,

helping men, maybe that, that were in a place like where you were to where

you are now, not that you've got all the answers or anything like that.

I think that's a powerful transition that many of us, I think, will continue

to have to make, and that is, we used to think we knew it all the longer we lived,

the less and less we recognized, but you brought up earlier that, you wanted to be

the provider that was important for you when we were talking about your company.

Yes.

think when we're talking about, putting our, our, our wife

and kids in a car many times, that's.

Important badge of honor for us to say, it's got, good

car, solid, safe, good tires.

You've talked about tires.

You've talked about all these things here.

So in, in the interaction that you've had with men, since you've been called to

work with men, what do they need to know about the process of moving from the,

if it is to be, it's up to me, I've got to provide, which there is, there is a.

Scripture for that.

I think the scripture can be twisted often and that is you're worse than an

infidel if you don't provide I think it's anyway, I won't go into it How are what

are you seeing with men you interact with?

I know you lead groups and stuff like that with all the talking you're doing And

moving from where you did to to that place where they could allow something like

you just shared with that story To happen help us connect the dots with whatever.

I mean i'm kind of throwing you a big wide net here to take it Wherever

you want to does that make sense?

Yeah, no, it's good.

And, and rein me in if you want.

so I think there's two things that, that men have to do.

There's three, they have to really surrender.

They really have to surrender.

Right?

Yeah, exactly.

And none of us want to do that.

Like at the end of the day, none of us want to do it.

And then the two prayers, Craig Rochelle, has dangerous prayer book.

and it's about, Seek, seek my heart, seek me, look, search me.

Is there something within me that is not pleasing for you and break it?

And that's, that's the last thing you have to be broken.

And what?

And it's funny because I'm helping a guy right now who he had a 35 million company

that just got snatched and lost it all.

And I'm like, look, man, you were about to buy a jet.

So you tell me what you were chasing.

Were you chasing God or were you chasing fame?

And, and it's funny because my daughter was on stage this

last, Sunday and she's seven.

She's seven, but she was on stage.

They were doing this vision thing with kids and she was up there writing notes.

And I literally thought she was drawing.

She was taking sermon notes at seven and wrote yes to chasing

God, no to chasing fame.

I was like, wow, that was a message to me.

And the reason I know it was a message to me because underneath it, she wrote.

N P N Y.

I was like, what is that?

And she goes, new path.

New you daddy.

And I was like, Oh, wow.

Talking about, I don't talk about my podcast to my Children.

I don't like it blew my mind.

She even knew.

And I was like, telling this guy, go look, God talks through

your Children all the time.

And if you choose to pay attention and then act on it, I said, but for you,

you're starting out, you're, you're not willing to forgive yourself for

losing the company and you're not surrendering yourself to God's will.

And you're trying to figure it out all by yourself.

And if you don't let go of all of that, you're just going to be stuck or you're

going to find yourself repeating the same thing over and over again, which I did.

it's funny because I would always find myself in the same situations.

I was like, how does that even happen, right?

It's because I didn't learn.

But, for, for the question, I think the biggest thing is men have to be

broken and then surrender to God's will.

And that's, that's more than just saying it.

That's more than anything.

I asked my wife, when did you think I would go back to being who I used to be?

Because she, she shared with me, she goes, I stopped praying that you would change.

And that was painful to hear, right?

And then we have to reprioritize our life.

You have to chase God, you have to like equal with your

wife and you have to chase her.

Like everyone, we all chased our wife when we were trying to get married, right?

Or date her.

And then once, once we got married, like I love her to

death, but I stopped pursuing her.

I didn't feel I needed to pursue her.

And God, God said to me, just because you're happy doesn't mean she is.

That was painful.

Like all of it.

It was the most painful experience I've ever had.

but I had to be broken.

And like I told my friend, I was like, look, the enemy came after your

identity, which was this business.

And God let that happen because your identity was in the wrong spot.

And until your identity is in the right spot, you're going to have a crack

and the enemy is going to exploit it.

so one thing that's interesting, you mentioned surrender

first and I went, Oh, that's good.

That's good.

But then you mentioned you got to be broken last.

And unfortunately that order seems to go broken, then surrender.

At least it did for me.

It seems like your journey may have been, and maybe it's men that way.

I, and, and, and, we hate to generalize, but women are different.

It's a different thing.

They seem to be more humble, surrender, they're the ones that lead

us into, spiritual walk and, and, sometimes it's kicking and screaming.

Sometimes it's, whatever, but that's interesting.

so my question, and it's, it's a trick question.

Sure.

Sure.

there is no answer to, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

Is it possible to reverse the order and surrender first so

that we don't have to be broken?

Yeah.

so here's, here's why I say it this way.

Okay.

Cause surrender is you have to be open to the idea of giving control up.

Once you're able to give control up in your mind, you're not there.

Like you haven't truly surrendered.

Until you're broken,

that might be the step out of the boat, right?

Are we going back to step out of the boat?

We are stepping out of the boat, right?

So we, we, we have to trust in God and we have to surrender, right?

But he wants a step first.

Your step is the mind.

Your mind is going to say, okay, yeah, I'm going to do that.

Right?

Then, then you can ask God to show you what needs to be broken.

Because what you think needs to be broken might not be what God's trying to break.

It might be that, but it might be a lot more other things that stink that you

don't want to give surrender to like you can have all of this little area over

here, Lord, but you can't have this.

This is mine stuff to this is this is who I am.

He wants all of that broken, and and when I, when I shared this with him,

I was like, do you surrender to him?

And he's yeah, I go, do you do you?

Right.

And then he's yeah.

And I go, Hey, let's talk about it.

So as we're talking, he, and this is not anything I'm doing or

saying or anything, but you could tell God's working in his head.

Cause then by the end of the conversation, he's crying and

he's a, he's a manly man, right?

that took me off that he was there, but I was like, all right, Lord,

you, you did something right.

And even yesterday I checked with him and I was like, ask him to break you.

It's hard.

And then when he breaks you, resurrender, resurrender, but it starts with, you have

to be okay with the process, you know,

I, one of the things I do, I've shared this often, is that

I'll listen to the Sermon on the Mount.

audibly many times.

I've done it almost every morning for the last three, four years.

And at the very end of the, what we call the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew seven,

there's this, I'll call it the clincher where Jesus says, there's two people,

this is my version of it, and there's basically two people that there's the

one that listens to me, and then the one, the one that doesn't, and the one that

doesn't, the rains come, the floods come, and the house that's built on sand washes

away, and then the one that listens and heeds my voice, the rains come, the floods

come, and something just recently, I've listened to it over and over again, the

rains come and the floods come regardless.

because

Yeah.

Either way you're getting, you're going through

many, many times what we'll try to do is say, Oh, this

it's the enemy or it's this or that.

No, the rains and the floods and the sunshine, earlier in the Sermon on

the Mount, there's the sun shines on the just and the unjust, it's like

that those are life is going to happen is what are we going to deal with?

I love your example with this guy you're talking about, because for

me, I never had a great deal of.

Shame that entered into my being and who I was, but because my entire identity

was I'm successful in business, I do well, we've raised money, all that

kind of stuff, and all of a sudden now we're homeless and bankrupt, it's

I'm dealing with something I haven't dealt with before, which is shame.

And so I I've come to terms that this surrender, the surrender, broken

surrender, broken is not an event.

It's a process.

And part of our, what this word is big word that we use called sanctification.

No one can totally explain it, that that's Tim's sanctification, Ron's sanctification

right now is having everything burned and scraped and, and, taken away that is

world system so that we are preparing for that kingdom of God for all of eternity.

And, and that's the, I don't want to just punch my ticket, which

is what a lot of us think we do.

We just punch our salvation ticket.

We're good.

And we can just keep doing all this other stuff, whatever the other stuff is.

And you and I, we had to purge a lot of this mammon business

success, stuff like that.

So anyway, all right, that's my preach, my rant.

There's another practical thing.

And then I want us to talk about new path, new you, as we wrap up here.

heard you say, I, I've tried to keep a count, but it was probably

at least five or six times.

I may be off a little bit.

Something to the effect of God told me or God said, or I heard God say, and I

know Ron, there are people that are right now going, I don't hear God's voice.

Oh

that happen?

he was still, he was still a little bit messed up and he

said he heard God's voice.

You got to be, this is some people saying this, you got to be perfect

before you even go before the Lord.

So talk a little bit about that topic of.

Hearing from God and maybe just personally, what was your journey?

How have you come to it?

Are you 110 percent confident that's God's voice or

Yeah.

so?

All right.

That's our last teaching topic.

Then we're going to talk about a few practical things so

people can connect with you.

Sure.

No, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give a story because my daughter

asked, This exact question.

How do you hear from God?

And I hear from God a lot of different ways.

and I was like, here's, here's one way you can do it.

grab your Bible because it is words living.

Right.

And just ask a question out loud.

Just let's ask God a question.

Right.

And she's 10 and she's asking God a question.

I was like, all right, Lord, this is your time.

I've never said genie time, but it's my daughter, can we just start her

relationship in a really cool way?

So she asks a question and she said a word and what's awful is I can't remember

the word It wasn't like something that was readily in every Bible page

Let's just say that right and it was part of her question and I go, okay.

Sometimes, honey, this is what I do.

I'll pray and then I'll open the Bible to wherever I said.

So just open the Bible where you feel God's leading you to open the Bible.

And so she opened it and she was drawn to this section of the Bible

and it was her word that she said.

She goes, Oh, that's the word.

I said, let's, let's read the story.

And it literally answered her question.

And I was like, how cool is that?

Right.

And I thanked God right then.

I said, let's thank him.

And so then she was like, Hmm, I go.

And now sometimes it's.

I'll just turn somewhere else to see if there's something else.

And I go, is there anywhere else you feel you need to turn?

So she turns and there was the word again, right?

And I was like, Oh, thank you, Lord.

Thank you, Lord.

so I, I hear God through his word.

Okay, but if I'm like, I prayed a lot to hear God's, let me rephrase that.

I prayed a lot to hear the enemy's voice because the enemy whispers.

And then when you say it, it becomes your voice.

So I'm downstairs one day and I kept hearing your wife doesn't need you.

She's fine.

But first time ever, it was not my voice.

I was stoked.

I was so excited.

I jumped up, ran upstairs, gave my wife a hug and she goes, I needed that.

I said, I know, I know you needed that because I heard a voice that wasn't right.

So when it comes to, Like God, like I'll see things and all this other stuff, but

if you think about it, even Paul on the road to Damascus, he was not perfect.

He was not a good guy.

And there was Jesus, right?

and Peter, not, not the best of guys.

Jesus called him and I think if you're open to the calling and

you really listen, God touches you in a lot of different ways.

It could be a gut feeling.

It could be his word.

I mean, his, his word tells, I mean, it's a living word.

Um, it could be a small little voice.

I mean, if you think about it, all the storms in the Bible, it

was a quiet voice that calmed it.

So if it's a loud, crazy voice, that's probably not enough.

If it's a quiet, quiet

voice and it's just nagging and it's, it's pushing you forward.

how I look at it is if the voice is pushing me forward, That could be from

God, but I, I, I have a really cool way of discerning stuff, but if the voice

is pushing backwards or look back, look back at the shame, that's not God.

That's the enemy not wanting you to move forward and that's it.

How important, how important is it?

This is, this is, this is my last question.

important is it for people that are, you use the word workaholic at the beginning.

I'm sure with the level of responsibility you had in your

company and all that, there was a lot of phone calls, a lot going on.

You probably had at least one phone.

How important is it To be still and quiet for you.

I mean, some people say they can hear God and they're going at it.

I can't, I've tried enough fool to myself.

I think before, I think that's where a lot of other voices and things come at

me, but I have got to be still and quiet.

How about you?

going back to what you just said about being, kind

of tricked or fooling yourself.

Rachel and I would try to have God time at night.

you're tired at night.

What's the first thing that doesn't happen?

God, God doesn't, God doesn't want your leftovers.

He wants to be first.

So we said, all right, Lord, we're going to, this is three and a half

years ago and we do it every day.

Now we're going to start our day with you.

However long it is, we're going to start the day.

And Friday, we we Sabbath really hard on Fridays.

We disconnect from phone.

We disconnect everything.

Um, I've actually transitioned my driving, focus on my phone where if you text me

on Friday, it says I'm sabbathing today and I, there's no tech in my life today.

So I'm not responding to you, And so I use that, but that was, that

was a journey in itself as well.

But it's, it's, it's hyper important to spend time with God.

So you get to know him and just like any friend, any relationship.

It was funny because I was spending time with God, Friday and I was laughing and

it was like I was joking with him and it was the craziest thing because I have

never been in that type of moment and I was telling my wife because that's

the other piece that's important.

We share what God's telling us and it's funny because

sometimes we'll do it together.

Sometimes we do it separately.

It kind of depends on the feeling, but almost all the time they intercede.

It's really cool and it's not like we're doing the same, but it was the first time

that I was like joking with him like as a friend and I was laughing out loud and

I was like, Oh my gosh, that was weird.

That was cool.

Right?

But he's, he's a friend.

He's a friend, but you have to spend time with him to understand his voice.

Jesus.

Jesus said the sheep know my voice.

My people know my voice.

You'll know the voice if you spend time with.

Yeah, going back to the marriage example you used earlier,

if you were to have Married Rachel, committed to her and then said, okay,

I'm going to go do other things.

We're not going to have communication.

We're not going to have intimacy.

We're not going to do anything together until we die.

That's the relationship.

A lot of people try with God.

They, they punch

So good.

Yeah.

and then they just say, we're, we're not going to

do any of the good stuff, the fun stuff, the hard stuff too.

And so we have to build it.

How long have you been married, Ron?

12

almost 12 years.

years.

We're babies.

just celebrated 35.

And I want to tell you that one of the things my wife, Gloria and I do,

and we've done it now for going on close to, let's see, when was that?

Oh, eight.

I mean, gosh, 15, 17 years is spend a lot of quiet.

We schedule nothing early.

And it's usually coffee.

It's usually, something spiritual, something scriptural.

Sometimes it's practical because you need to do that stuff too, but it

is typically heavy duty spiritual.

Hey, what are you getting from the Lord?

Oh, I'm getting that too.

How about that?

And and there are times when we were going through some tough times where

it was four, five, six hours a day.

And so anyway, that is, that is really cool.

And we just, I think I said this, we 35 years, we're, we're like,

we're, we're just getting started.

so anyway, all right, so we could keep talking, but new path, new

you is that name that you got for, a penny and, and, and so obviously

there was something going on there.

Tell us what it is and, and how people, what's going on there and

why people need to connect with it.

And then I've got one more question before we wrap up.

Sure.

And before I do that, you said something that is important that I want to touch

on, especially for men, like, um, Bible prayer times in my calendar,

you can calendar what's important.

So you don't schedule things early because it affects that.

So if you want to create a relationship and it, consistency calendar.

It's super easy.

Just do it.

Especially business guys, right.

Just calendar it.

and then also turn off the ringers, notifications,

all this stuff that they want.

I don't have any sounds come from my phone because when I sit with someone like we're

doing here, I want to be focused on Ron.

When I sit with my wife, I need to be focused on my wife.

all right, new path, new you tell us about it and what's going on.

it's, it started off as a podcast.

it's, it's to help men on a spiritual journey and what

I've learned about podcasting.

You know, here's the journey you were on.

You're reaching down and helping this person down here on the same journey.

And that's what that, that's what it's about.

It's, it's a, it's a real raw journey.

I don't even use my microphone.

It's funny.

Cause everyone's like, why aren't you using your mic?

I was like, cause I just want it to be real.

Like I'm just talking in my phone sometimes.

it's, it's 15, 20 minutes.

They're quick bites.

I have some cool guests on it.

Um, and it's just.

Really, whatever God puts on my heart, that's it.

And that's what that's about.

Now it's transitioning a little bit where, God was really telling me,

step out, step out of the boat, right?

And, and maybe get into helping people launch podcasts that are

Christians, really focus on that.

So I started focusing on men because that was my thing.

And ironically, God's funny.

God is funny.

He gives me.

Women, right?

It's, it's crazy.

There was this, there's these two women that it's like, Hey, I've

been talking to her for a while.

She goes, my shirt.

She goes, I want to start a podcast.

It's called the mind table talk.

They, I helped her launch.

They hit number one.

They've been number one for a week and a half.

They were, it's amazing.

We launched her book career, like doing a lot of cool things.

Then I get, I redo my website around helping men.

It's literally helping men and I have this woman reach out to me and she goes, Hey,

I was praying and God told me to renew my mind, which is my podcast verse, right?

Romans 12 to and I googled top Christian coach and you came up.

So I would like you to coach me.

I was like, let's, let's talk because that's super interesting.

And we were talking and I was like, what do you want to do?

Yeah.

And she has an amazing story.

And I was like, wow, Lord, am I supposed to just help anybody that's Christian?

I, I don't understand.

But then looking back at my clientele from before, guess what?

Most of them were Christian women.

So now it's okay, I'm just going to really just, however, to help get God's

message out, that's what I'm focused on,

one quick thing there.

We'll say this and then move along.

Women are willing to ask for, for help.

Most men won't ask for, I mean, it could be that.

That's true.

That is so funny.

Yeah, no.

I, I just relaunched my website.

I just got season three going for a new path.

New you, and it's, it's funny because I'm getting a lot of people that show

took off faster than my other show and I didn't expect that, you know?

and it's interesting because it's a vulnerable show and, I share my story.

I share my testimony in that.

I shared my struggles.

And it's just kind of like how I look at it is like when I'm not

around, my kids can listen to that and go, that's who dad was.

That's who dad was.

That's what I want it to be.

And, and I know, because God is amazing.

It will hit people and help people.

because that's what testimonies do.

And the hard, you have to have the hard, you have to have the, the storm

or your testimony is not as cool.

It's not as relatable.

Right.

Yeah, that's good.

Ron, tell everybody where they can find anything else.

I know, we can probably guess the domain that you were able to get, but

go ahead and give it here just for those folks that might be cruising around.

And then, and then what we're going to recommend is people maybe jump

over there right when they leave here, if they're on the podcast platform.

And so where all can they find you if someone needs

Ron, where do they need to go?

new path.

New you.

com.

I mean, that's the easiest one.

I love Instagram.

it's our cool junior.

Um, but it's, it's a different story.

So probably my, my website cause God's actually having me possibly closed down

my Instagram and that's really hard.

Whew, that's a whole nother topic for another day, this

social media, because, because you mentioned micro content and that's

where all that stuff lives on

No.

Instagrams and stuff.

So anyway, we're going to pause that because that's

probably a long conversation

and I'm going to wrap, I'm going to wrap up with, with my

question that I summarized with.

We're Go create those three words.

We mashed together for our podcast.

You can only choose one.

I'm either going to allow you or force you to only choose one.

Which word do you choose that resonates or whatever?

Don't, don't overthink it.

And why?

Seek.

Seek.

Seek the kingdom of God first.

Right.

And you have it first in your title.

And I don't think that's on accident.

and, and seek because if you seek God first, everything else falls in line.

if your relationship, the vertical relationship is right, all the, all

these other relationships are good.

So seek.

Amen.

Yeah.

There's a reason it's first and that Matthew 6 33 is a foundational

scripture for my journey.

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