Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the people and rescues making a difference in the lives of animals. Hi, Donna. How are you?

I'm good.

tell me a little bit about yourself and what is the name of your rescue?

My name is Donna Rome. I have been a single mom for a long time, but my kids are grown and out and I have been. helping bunnies for, oh gosh, about almost 20 years, but it only became official in 2019 when I became Bunn Again Rabbit Rescue and Education. That's a mouthful. I have people who help me do the online stuff because I am not tech savvy. I am trying to round up some more fosters. We have about. 18 rabbits at my home inside, and it's quite a job. But there are just so many rabbits in need. But I have had to slow down and. Stopped taking in rabbits because I've been working with Jefferson, SPCA, I'm in touch with Lola and Friends Rescue in Mississippi. We communicate with Magic Happens Rabbit Rescue in Baton Rouge. We're all trying to do the same thing and we're all in communication to see who can. If anyone can accommodate, the newest rabbit or, anything like that. So we bounce ideas off of one another and get advice from one another and and try to help one another, make this job a little bit more bearable.

I think it's great that you work with all these other groups too. 'cause I've already had James on the show with Lola and Friends. I've spoken with Hannah, with the Jefferson SPCA and they have mentioned Bunn Again, both of them. And I think it's great that all of the rabbit rescues work together. 'cause it's all about just getting them into homes and keeping 'em safe.

And we're not competing against one another. In fact, I welcome any and everyone to open their own rabbit rescue because there will be plenty of dumped. Abandoned homeless rabbits to last a lifetime. Unfortunately, it just happens all the time. Even, yes, around Easter, after Easter, but really year round because people do not educate themselves or they do not want to be educated.

I'm hoping that you can give us an education on it. First I'd like to start, if you could tell me what is the difference between getting a bunny from a rescue versus a pet store?

The pet stores usually get tiny baby bunnies that have been taken from their mother too early. It suggested that. Recommended that a baby bunny stay with its mother eight weeks. Usually they're four weeks to wean, but they need to be with mom another four weeks for their gut flora to be mature. So they're taken away from mom, so their gut is not mature and many times. The stress of being at a pet store, they get coccidia. In fact, most bunnies from the pet store who are under six months old or six weeks old actually have coccidia when people buy them and they don't know it. And. Then if you don't take your new little baby bunny to the vet right away, you could lose that baby bunny. And for us we are always getting calls about pet store bunnies. Oh, my bunny died, or My bunny's sick, or. They told me I had two boys, but I have a boy and a girl, and now we have babies. And 'cause little tiny rabbits are really hard to sex. You cannot sex a two to four week baby accurately. And that is a lot of the problem. But, mainly they're, they shouldn't even be sold at stores because they're, they get sick, they get injured, they're so stressed. And the pet stores don't give any interviews. They don't ask any questions. Okay how are you planning to take care of this little rabbit? They just say, oh, you got 40 bucks. Here's your rabbit. Oh, here's two of 'em. It's a boy, it's two boys. And then in a couple of months they get mature and you find out whether they're two boys or a boy and a girl. Or whatever, but in rescue we never will adopt out a fertile rabbit. That is just a big no-no for us. The first thing we do is get the bunny vet checked and spayed or neutered, depending on if they're old enough, because they can have babies young as three months old, which is ridiculous, but it happens, and we try to get the rabbits fixed as soon as we believe they are ready. And the vet can usually tell whether, they're too young if they're female, but usually the males, as soon as their little family jewels drop, then they are ready to be fixed. But the thing is, people don't realize. The little males can stay fertile for up to five weeks after neuter.

Oh, wow.

So if you have a yes, if you have a boy and a girl, you better get that little girl fixed first.

Wow.

Because that little boy is going. Yeah. That little boy is still gonna have some live bullets and there is no guarantee that you have. solved your problem, and a lot of people just don't know. I found out by accident years ago. Yeah. It's really amazing. They have earned their reputation. Absolutely. The girls, rabbits have two uterus, so guess what? When they're mature. Mature and there's a boy around, they'll ovulate and guess what? They're pregnant. And it could be from 28 to 30 days, but a couple weeks before they give birth, it's possible to go ahead and have some more eggs fertilized than the other uterus so they can overlap litters and those poor breeder bunnies are just. Worn out because they don't get a chance for their body to heal and rest, and it's just cruel. But it is ridiculous how quickly things can get out of hand if you do not make sure that somebody knowledgeable is checking to see, do you really have two boys? And if you don't take 'em to the vet. They need to be the vet can tell you if you've got a boy or girl they know how to tell very early. And they can also do a fecal test to check for parasites because if your little baby bunny has parasites, then. All the nutrition that they're taking in can be taken away by the parasites, and then they get loose stools, they get bloated belly, and they can really starve to death without, lacking any food. It's just a really sad situation. The possibilities are when you buy a rabbit from a pet store, you just really don't know what you're getting literally. And with rescue, you are getting a bunny that cannot have babies, whether it's a boy or a girl, and it's been fixed anyway, you pretty much know the personality of the bunny because, we've had an idea of how they act and what they do. And with rescue, we will be on call basically to help answer questions and, for my rescue. I'm always willing to be available by text. It's if is this plant safe for the bunny and how do I do this? And oh, the nails, and there's a great resource online called rabbit.org. It's the House Rabbit Society. And that's like a worldwide bunny crazy people forum, which has a lot of articles and videos and just really basic information, especially for new bunny owners because you can go and you can find out what their body language means. You can find out. How is the best way to handle them? You can find out different ways to clip their nails. You can find out, why does my bunny seem angry and why does he attack me? A lot of rabbits are, they're in a small little space and they take ownership of that little space. If you don't give them more space they're gonna be bored, they're gonna be aggressive. If you can work with them and you can help them to feel safe, to trust you and to be happy and. Do their cute little binky bounces up in the air and just be really entertaining. You just gotta give them space. And so it's just so much of a better idea to get a bunny from a rescue. But if people have already gotten Easter bunnies. Usually as soon as they turn, maybe four or five months old, their little bunny isn't as sweet as it used to be. It's starting to mark things. It's starting to chew things. It's starting to really smell musky, especially if it's a boy. And people just don't even think of options. They say, I don't want this anymore. And it's just so sad because all you have to do is get the bunny spa or neutered. And Jefferson Parish has a great program called Fix a Rabbit, and it's a low price spay or neuter for the rabbit for residents of Jefferson Parish. And even if they cannot participate in the Fix a Rabbit program, you just call around. Rabbit.org has a list of bunny savvy veterinarians because rabbits are really sensitive to anesthesia. And if you don't get someone who's familiar with rabbits, it's a high possibility that your a little bunny is gonna have some serious difficulty and maybe even lose the bunny. But there are options. If you can't afford it, maybe a rescue would work with you. Maybe a shelter would work with you to be able to keep your bunny. And also they need to stay inside. A lot of people put their rabbits outside and when I was a kid, I did the same thing. Being outside, you cannot monitor the rabbit. You can't tell whether it's not eating as much, whether it's litter. Habits have changed, things look different, whether it's getting enough water whether it's overheating, whether there are predators around rabbits can be scared to death. One of our adoptees there was a stray dog in the yard and they had the bunnies out playing in their pen. And the dog did not even come close to the enclosure. But one of their rabbits just was so high strung. He just started thumping and they went out. They shooed the dog away and they picked up the rabbit and he, his heart was just beating a mile a minute, and he never calmed down. And he died. He gave himself a heart attack. So those things, bunnies are way more fragile than people give him credit for. And they need an exotic vet. And, there are things that can happen to them that you might not think about, like. When they shed like other animals, they can. Swallow too much hair. And unlike a cat, they can't cough it up. Rabbits cannot vomit. They can only swallow, and that's another thing most people don't know. And that's why you never fast a rabbit before surgery. Their gut has to keep going because if their gut slows down, then there's a possibility that their gut will stop working altogether. So rabbits have to always have food and if you don't get a rabbit savvy vet then, you might get more trouble than you expect. But I'm just so concerned about people who already have their rabbits that already have purchased an Easter Bunny, and I just feel like grabbing them and saying, you must let me look at this rabbit. You must let me tell you whether it's a boy or girl. You must let me help you keep it in a safe environment. You must keep it inside. Please. Because there's predators, there's parasites. There's poison plants, all the peas. And you don't know, sometimes your bunny will get into something that they shouldn't, or you don't know. Like most of the bulb plants are poisonous to rabbits. Some of the ones that have the oh, like irises and stuff. What do you call the roots of those things? Rhizomes. Sometimes plants with rhizomes are not good. We had someone whose bunny, hopped into the irises and he started nibbling on 'em and he had a seizure and they lost him. You really have to be familiar with a lot of things if you're gonna try even just to let your bunny play outside. Because they are prey animals, their nature is to hide, to be on the ground. And, they don't really feel safe unless they know that they can get somewhere where they cannot be seen from above. And sometimes even, all sides. If you have a bunny in their space and there's nowhere for that bunny to feel like they can have a quiet, dark space. They can often just be nervous all the time, and that's a stress that can make them sick. There's just so many things that can make a bunny ill and people just don't know enough to realize that. They really need to consider their rabbit's needs and, be more accommodating if they want that little guy to be their friend for years. Unfortunately people buy them and kids 10 years old and don't think about when the kid's 20 years old. They just, oh my kid wants a bunny. Kids can't take care of bunnies. Some adults can't even take care of bunnies. The best thing to do is. Educate yourself. And we have a program which not too many people have taken advantage of, maybe just because they don't know about it. But we've got a program called Learn Before You Leap, and it's. especially geared to people who don't really understand what bunny life can be. So we try to give them an opportunity to try out bunny life with, of course, with an application, with, approval and all that stuff. We, I guess what you might call, rent all the supplies to the family and with a bunny. Just stay in touch with them. Let them ask questions. Tell 'em what's the right thing. And and they try it out from anywhere from two to six weeks. Usually two weeks is enough for a kid. To say, oh this thing actually has to process food and at the end I'm the one who has to clean it up. Oh no. And they get tired of that real quick. Yeah. The bunny's cute, but that cute little three week old bunny is gonna double its size in another two weeks and then they're not cute anymore, or they're not. Special anymore. And that's another reason people don't keep them. They see some of our miniature bunnies and they say, gosh, that's a big rabbit. And it's so sad because then you know that they've never seen anything but prematurely sold pet store bunnies. So man, it's just a big problem. It's a big problem. Especially in Jefferson Parish, there's so many places that people just, they get tired of their rabbit or they don't want the responsibility and they just, oh, let 'em run around in the yard and oops, they got out and then they don't go looking for them. And, poor little guys get injured or, malnutrition or pick up a parasite from any animal that tinkles in the grass and it could die a slow, painful death. And I just wish that people who do get rabbits and then regret it, not to let them free, but to contact someone. Keep the rabbit temporarily until someone, one of the rescue people, one of the shelter people can line up some appointments, line up a foster, but don't make us go out in a park and chase a poor little scared to death rabbit, could take us days, weeks to catch 'em. And by then, their problems are worse. But it's just something that continues to be done. And I don't know if it's because people just don't see rabbits as companion animals or if they're just. Selfish or if they think that rabbits are wild animals and they can live like cottontails or swamp rabbits, but they can't. So I don't know. I'm just really disappointed in the human race a lot of times.

Yeah. I think it's a lot of times too, like the stores will market them as starter pets. And no pets are a starter pet for, one thing

maybe a pet rock. Yeah. But that's about it.

A pet rock. I can agree with that. But if a child wants an animal, I think the parents need to be educated on that as well, not just getting a pet for the child. It's fine to have a pet for a child if you understand the responsibilities that are involved in it,

right? If you are going to care for the pet, if you're gonna be the main caretaker and show the child what it means to sacrifice for another life, help the child understand that. It's something that's living and breathing and needs love, and needs care, and needs the doctor sometimes. And, sometimes just like kids, it's afraid of loud noises. It's afraid of dogs, it's afraid. Like they have to understand that it is a living feeling, being that it's not a toy. And but the way they're marketed, it's this little impulse buy. Look how cute. Look how cute this little thing is. Oh, this is so fluffy. You just need to have this. Oh, this one has floppy ears. It looks like a baby. It looks like a stuffed animal. Get this one because it, it's just so cute and fluffy. Cute and fluffy has to be groomed. Cute and fluffy. Has to be, you have to make sure that little bunny is trimmed, that it doesn't swallow too much fur that it has the right nutrition. It's not a toy. And parents need to be more responsible about their decisions because it's their decision and it's their animal. It's their responsibility, and they need to know that. They need to accept that from the moment. They make that decision because if they're gonna go to the store and just pick up something because it's cute and not even think about what happens when it gets sick? What happens if we have to go on vacation? What happens if we have a baby? What happens if we move? What happens? You have to think of all the things that you would think about for a dog or a cat. Even another family member, it's not just a quick fix to, to make your kid happy, because the kid, when the bunny reaches maturity is probably gonna bite or scratch that kid.

And then you were saying too, like they'll get 'em and then they don't think of all those things, but they do that for puppies and kitties too,

absolutely.

Unfortunately, that is part of the problem is for some reason, animals are looked at as being disposable. There are people like us who will do anything for our animals, but then you see people, that are like, oh, my kid wants a pet. Let's go out and get a puppy, a kitten, a bunny, or whatever, and a few weeks later they don't want 'em. I know somebody that actually got two bunnies. And, the sex of the bunnies was wrong, so yeah, those two bunnies turned into six bunnies. And luckily I believe a rescue stepped in before it got outta control.

That was lucky.

Yeah. But a rescue shouldn't even have to for that, you have to have a little bit of common sense. If you're getting two bunnies, make sure that you're getting two females, if you are not sure, then don't get two, get one.

Oh, it's just educate. There's pictures of how to correctly sex a rabbit. There's there's just so much information available, basically almost, I. Almost having just Google is enough but there's a lot of wrong information on Google, so that's why I specifically recommended rabbit.org, because there are random pet sites that do not have accurate or full information. And you really need to look for that pet specific group because especially exotic pets because only the people who've had them know what their common issues are or what comes up. In their care. And you know what can happen when they reach a certain age? And speaking of certain age, the female rabbits, if you get one that's older, say somebody got one and they don't want anymore, so they give it to you. Okay, fine. So you've got this 2-year-old female rabbit that they let her have a litter at least once and. When females are over two years old they have a higher risk of reproductive cancer. But if they've ever had a litter, then that possibility shoots up. And you have to get your females spayed, even if you don't have a boy. 'cause people tell me, oh, why should I get my bunny fixed? Isn't no, I don't have boy rabbits. No, it's because your female can get uterine cancer. We've rescued some that already had uterine cancer or mammary gland cancer. And thank God with the spay, they were able to remove the cancer and the cases that we had. But you can't take that kind of risk. If you love that pet. You want that pet to be happy and healthy. You need to consider always to spay a neuter because females can go into a false pregnancy and that stresses them out. Just like a woman with PMS, you don't wanna a grumpy bunny who's all just feeling and all mixed up and she's pulling out her fur it's a stressful situation for her. And if you get her fixed, she won't go through that. She won't be making a nest because she feels like she's having babies or her hormones are going crazy. Hormones can make them aggressive and it can actually affect other critters in the house. Anytime I rescue a bunny that's not fixed yet my other rabbits start tussling with each other. It's just those hormones. They can smell 'em, it affects them. Even males. Oh my gosh. Males, they can have such a stinky musky, oh gosh. It just smells up the whole house and they'll go, I don't wanna bring my bunny inside. That's 'cause you didn't neuter him. If you neutered him, then that smell would not overtake your entire house. He wouldn't wanna spray all your furniture He wouldn't wanna chase you or hump your leg or whatever. There's just so much to be said for spay and neuter. It just. It's near miraculous that, you get a whole new money almost they automatically just about automatically litter train themselves. They can use litter boxes and people say you just use cat litter. No. Rabbits have to have paper-based litter or kiln dried wood like. Sometimes they have the little pine pellets. A lot of people use the horse stall pellets from tractor supply me because we have so many, I use newspaper and shredded paper. But no, you can't do the clay litters. You can't do the untreated pine. You can't do especially cedar if they are inhaling cedar oil, they can. Have liver problems. There's just so much of what we thought we knew years ago was totally wrong and totally harmful to our rabbits. There's things on the market that have a picture of a rabbit on it, but you're not supposed to give that to a rabbit. They're not. Equipped to process that kind of protein or that kind of sugar. You can't even depend on the pet store industry to give you accurate information. You have to go and find it yourself and, there's a lot of good resources out there, but you have to want to know about it.

Now, what about fleas on bunnies

Fleas, they do like rabbits. They mostly like the light colored rabbits for some reason they're attracted to light. But a free meal is a free meal and they'll go after the dark ones too. They can pick up fleas from outside. They can pick up fleas from, from inside, they can, fleas can hit you right on your socks and boom, you've got fleas. But there are over the counter remedies that you can get to eliminate the fleas. The I always tell people you can get the advantage with a G, but never advantage with an x. I always tell them G means go. X means skull and crossbones. Advantix will kill your rabbit Advantage is ok. You can get the cat dose and there are charts online tell you how much per pound of rabbit that you have to put on. You just put it on topically and but for us we feel like a better product is the prescription revolution. Now revolution has made another formula, but it's the original revolution formula. It's just selemectin. But the revolution for cats, it got too expensive. And now finally there is a generic called revolt. But if it is selemectin, then that is what? We use because not only does it kill fleas, but if there are any kind of mites or ear mites because a lot of time we've gotten, we've rescued rabbits that, oh, poor babies, they had crust in their ears. They lost hair because these little bunny lice or just eating them all alive, but the revolution. Or the revolt will take care of the mites and the fleas, just the advantage, it will only control the fleas, but the environment needs to be treated, needs to be vacuumed. We just use diatomaceous earth, which is basically crushed coral and it's food grade, so it's just like this gray dust that. The pieces are so tiny that they cut into the exoskeleton of the bugs and they end up drying them up. It's not an instant kill, but it does take care of 'em.

I've heard other people mention that before, but I have no experience with how you would actually use it.

Diatomaceous earth is like a very fine powder. So you can either put it in a powder container. They actually, at the garden stores, they actually sell like this little accordion, plastic pump that it's just got a straw at the end. And when you squeeze it, it poofs, the powder into the air. Only thing is with the bunnies, you just have to be careful not to apply it close to their face because they can inhale it. But it is safe if they accidentally eat it. If it gets on their skin, it's fine. It just might dry their skin a little bit. But the the environment, you could sprinkle some in their litter. I have a contraption that you wind it up like a, oh, gosh, I'm not even sure what how to describe it, but it's almost like a powder machine gun. You load up the. Canister. And then when you turn the wheel, it just pushes the powder out of the nozzle and you can do a big area that way. And then people used that to spray their trees, especially the citrus trees. I think my papa used to do that with the, with his trees. He had one of those look, it almost looked more like a bike pump that he would just pump the. The powder all over the branches. But but yeah that's how you apply it. You can put it in a salt shaker it's so fine. It can clump up if you don't have the big enough holes. So you gotta maybe have a little air behind it to to make it spread out. But if you get there are some farm stores that will sell a small bag for a lot of money, but I'll usually go to an agriculture store and get a big old bag, and that's only like maybe 25 bucks, maybe not even that much, and you get 40 pounds of that stuff. It could last forever. And, I'll share, so yeah, there, there are some things you can do to control the fleas to keep them out of your carpet or your your house or your Bunny's area. And you just have to know what's safe and, just keep an eye out. If you regularly handle your rabbit and pet them, you can tell whether there's gonna be fleas or not. You don't have to treat a bunny every month if they had fleas one time, unless you're seeing fleas. Like I said, it's usually. Mostly the light colored ones that the fleas like to jump on. But we've had some, especially the long-haired bunnies that the fleas like to get under the mats in their fur. So that's another reason you really need to be diligent about if you get a fluffy, cute bunny, you better be good with a comb. You better, learn how to trim 'em correctly. And that's another thing you can. Look up online, you know how to safely trim your rabbit. You got to do their nails because they can get arthritis in their little toes if their nails grow so long that their toes are crooked when they're walking. Just maintenance. Just learn what their day-to-day needs are. And once you know what your bunny is like as far as what their normal is, what their normal appetite is, what their normal water intake, what their normal activity, what their normal poops look it's easy to tell when something's not right. If you have kept your eye on that bunny and know them well enough to know when they're not acting themselves and. Bunnies will hide their illnesses. They will hide their pain, they will hide all their symptoms because being prey animals, they don't wanna stand out like a sore thumb with a target on their head. They're gonna hide the things that are bothering them. So you are responsible to know to look, to, to spend time to, watch over your bunny, to check. And see, how much they're eating and if their litter habits are consistent and if what's in the litter box is consistent. 'cause they can have different shaped stools that mean certain things. And if you catch it early, you can avoid the vet. But, it's really important that they see a vet at least once a year. But if they stop eating, if their appetite goes down, that's something you really have to be on alert for because that could be GI stasis and it can happen if they're stressed, it can happen. If there's maybe construction going on, it can happen If. There's a new kid in the house. It can happen if you move their enclosure to another room, they can stress out easily and they can lose their appetite. And if they lose their appetite and they don't have food going through their system, it can slow down and it can stop. They'll go in shock. All their organs will shut down and you're gonna lose your bunny. So as soon as you notice that appetite is. Not what it needs to be. You need to get ready to syringe, feed that bunny and call your vet. If they need to have something in their system 24 7. That's why they recommend that you leave hay in their space all the time. They need Timothy hay. The older ones need Timothy Hay and the youngest. The babies need alfalfa because it's got protein and calcium, but don't give the older bunnies alfalfa because it can make bladder stones. So yes, even rabbits can get bladder stones and there's just a lot to know. I'm still learning. I've been at this a long time, but I am still learning, I'm still finding out things that are happening to other rabbits and going on within other rescues that. Oh my gosh, I didn't even think about that. Or I didn't know that. Or, oh man, I need to, be more diligent about this. Or it's they're fascinating little critters and it's such an honor to be trusted by one of them. I just wish people, more people knew what joy they can bring to your household if you just take a little time and educate yourself.

Absolutely.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Yeah and definitely it's important that you always think about the animal first and for any pet you have, if you think, or if you suspect there's something that's out of the ordinary to the point where you're questioning yourself, then you just need to go take 'em to the vet and just go get 'em checked out for your peace of mind at least too.

Absolutely. An exotic vet. It's gonna cost a little more than a dog or cat vet, but would you rather have caught something before it was too late or just saved a few bucks and lost your friend? You have to think about it that way. So mean, but you won't know. You won't know if there's anything wrong if you are not. Spending time, if you're not handling the bunny, sometimes you'll find a lump. Sometimes you'll find a little sore or just small things that can become great big things if you don't know about it. It's just like your child. If you're gonna have this kid in your house and what you're never going to, pet their hair and never gonna, give them a bath and see if they have a bruise or, it's important. All that stuff is important. Animals are family and if that's not what they're gonna be. Then get a stuffed animal, go visit somebody with a pet. It's not that hard. If you can't commit, but you love animals, hey, be a foster, right? We give you everything you need and all you gotta do is love them. And yeah, it's a little sacrifice of time, you don't have to pay for the vet. You don't have to. Go get the cage and all that and the litter box. If you're close enough to where I can meet you, I'll bring you shredded paper for the litter. I'll bring you hay and pellets if you know that's what you need. And then, whenever you need to go on your summer vacation, hey, let us know a couple weeks in advance so we can come and get the baby. Find somebody else. But during that time, at least the bunny has been paid attention to it's been seen by people who maybe normally wouldn't see being here at the rescue and the people who took care of it have learned, if that's something that they want in the future. It seems to be a win-win for everybody, people need to take advantage. We need some fosters. So help.

Can I ask where you've learned all this information?

Oh my goodness. Years years of talking to other people. Years of experience, years of having vet surprises sharing information with other rabbit groups. Reading going online and going to the reputable sites and finding out, and, a lot of times the rabbit groups will. Post something about the latest illness and, it's from everywhere. I absorb it from a lot of different resources and you can't always trust one resource. You have to get, you have to get a well-rounded resource. pool to, to know to be able to trust the information. And like I said, from experience I know a lot of this stuff from experience, but, some of it was someone else's experience or mistakes that I learned from. And, we've made a lot of mistakes. Like I said, the, especially the bunny being fertile after neuter. Yeah. We've made some mistakes and we still make mistakes. Sometimes we miss things We don't know the whole story about, and we don't know the whole story about a lot of these rabbits we rescue. So sometimes they have things that we had no idea and, come up with it later on after they've been adopted and we just, there was no way we could know that. But it's all a continuous learning curve. Just by observing and being aware and paying attention and being passionate about it, it's I care. So I wanna know where my mistakes are. I wanna know what is a better way to do something. I wanna know how to keep my bunnies happy. And healthy of course. But there's just a lot of information that can be had if you take a little time and look.

I'm lucky that you were able to come on and share all this information with me today. I really enjoyed listening to you. Before we end this, is there anything else you would like to add?

Oh my goodness. Volunteer, donate adopt Foster, everybody can do something. It's just so important. There's so many animals out there. Educate yourself, educate others, and just be compassionate.

Definitely. Thank you so much. I really enjoyed speaking with you.

Alright thank you for letting me explode your brain with information.

I'd love to have you back on in the future too.

Awesome. All right, I hope somebody gleams something from this conversation.

I think they will. It was very informative.

Nice. All right, thank you so much for the opportunity and keep loving them critters.

All right. And that's all the time we have for today's episode. If you are in animal rescue, or if you know someone that has a story that should be told, please contact us. We would love to have you or them on the show Thanks for listening, and please join us next week as we continue to explore the world of animal rescue.