1 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:41,110 Brittney Sherman: Hey, Hey, 2 00:00:41,110 --> 00:00:42,040 Sonia Meza-Leon: Scarlett autos. 3 00:00:42,100 --> 00:00:47,800 We are back and I am looking forward to this episode in particular, because 4 00:00:47,890 --> 00:00:51,489 number one, I get to take a little break and sit back and listen to Brittany. 5 00:00:51,519 --> 00:00:54,550 Tell me a story, which is so exciting right now. 6 00:00:54,879 --> 00:00:58,209 And the reason I'm excited about it is because she's, she 7 00:00:58,300 --> 00:00:59,800 is excited about the story. 8 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,760 So, um, without further ado here is Brittany Sherman talking 9 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:05,410 to me about the black Dahlia. 10 00:01:05,770 --> 00:01:08,530 Brittney Sherman: Well, I told you I was going to throw you a 11 00:01:08,530 --> 00:01:11,530 little bit of surprise and, um, 12 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:19,240 I guess I'll say without further ado, I am not going to cover 13 00:01:19,270 --> 00:01:20,770 the black doll yet tonight. 14 00:01:21,670 --> 00:01:24,729 What I know, I know. 15 00:01:24,729 --> 00:01:30,070 And this was a last minute decision, like four hours ago. 16 00:01:30,070 --> 00:01:32,710 I decided to change it up and. 17 00:01:33,780 --> 00:01:37,920 Here's why I decided to change it because you believe you did that. 18 00:01:38,190 --> 00:01:39,930 I, I know. 19 00:01:40,140 --> 00:01:46,770 So the black doll yet is a topic that has fascinated me for years when we started 20 00:01:46,770 --> 00:01:51,660 doing this podcast, I, that was one of the first topics I wanted to cover. 21 00:01:52,140 --> 00:01:59,490 And as I really started investigating and learning about the black Dalia, uh, 22 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:07,470 what I found is that the information out there is pretty straight forward. 23 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:14,190 Every article I read, every podcast I listened to about it, it all 24 00:02:14,190 --> 00:02:17,430 had the same information and none of it was new information from 25 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:19,230 what's been around there forever. 26 00:02:19,890 --> 00:02:24,420 And the most interesting information that is out there is 27 00:02:24,420 --> 00:02:28,020 all subjective, conjecture about. 28 00:02:28,920 --> 00:02:31,980 Who could be responsible for those killings. 29 00:02:32,310 --> 00:02:38,340 And there's a lot of really interesting, fascinating narrative conversations 30 00:02:38,340 --> 00:02:44,490 about the occult about devil worship about, uh, really, I don't see, 31 00:02:44,490 --> 00:02:46,920 Sonia Meza-Leon: I don't, I don't know much about the black Dahlia, so I was 32 00:02:46,920 --> 00:02:48,720 so looking forward to you telling me 33 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,450 Brittney Sherman: no, but here's the issue that I have with it. 34 00:02:52,079 --> 00:02:56,460 All of that is just like potentially made up. 35 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:59,220 Like there's no actual real information. 36 00:02:59,250 --> 00:03:01,200 Like there's, it's not factual. 37 00:03:01,470 --> 00:03:05,460 And there's another reason why I wanted to switch it out because 38 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:07,470 this isn't factual information. 39 00:03:07,470 --> 00:03:09,329 And a lot of it could be hyperbole. 40 00:03:09,690 --> 00:03:10,920 Maybe it's factual. 41 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:14,100 If it is, it's like the most unbelievable story in the world. 42 00:03:14,100 --> 00:03:18,030 And it, at some point maybe I will get to it, but there's another reason 43 00:03:18,079 --> 00:03:24,090 I wanted, I decided to change it up because I wasn't super confident because 44 00:03:24,090 --> 00:03:25,880 the stories were just kind of all over. 45 00:03:26,894 --> 00:03:29,984 And there wasn't real hard evidence to support it. 46 00:03:30,555 --> 00:03:35,745 I wanted to talk about a topic that I felt like I knew just about 47 00:03:35,775 --> 00:03:37,725 everything there is to know about it. 48 00:03:38,295 --> 00:03:39,165 Oh. 49 00:03:39,255 --> 00:03:44,745 And I felt like I'm not going to go off book per se, but something that I feel 50 00:03:44,745 --> 00:03:50,115 like I can talk about without needing to, to take notes and read much about it. 51 00:03:50,805 --> 00:03:59,024 So the topic I am actually going to cover tonight is the Crispin 52 00:03:59,024 --> 00:04:01,035 wad, double murder suicide. 53 00:04:02,565 --> 00:04:02,925 What the 54 00:04:02,925 --> 00:04:03,495 Sonia Meza-Leon: fuck is that? 55 00:04:05,565 --> 00:04:05,834 Brittney Sherman: I 56 00:04:05,834 --> 00:04:07,365 Sonia Meza-Leon: can't believe you threw me for a loop. 57 00:04:07,365 --> 00:04:08,765 I'm so excited. 58 00:04:08,774 --> 00:04:11,925 I'm so excited because now I really don't have to say anything. 59 00:04:11,925 --> 00:04:12,285 So 60 00:04:13,785 --> 00:04:17,584 Brittney Sherman: I almost, I almost texted you earlier to tell you, I, 61 00:04:17,584 --> 00:04:22,365 I changed my mind, but I thought, no, I want to get your raw reaction. 62 00:04:23,580 --> 00:04:24,660 And I'm so glad you 63 00:04:24,660 --> 00:04:25,080 Sonia Meza-Leon: didn't. 64 00:04:25,110 --> 00:04:25,740 I'm so glad 65 00:04:25,740 --> 00:04:26,190 Brittney Sherman: you didn't. 66 00:04:26,370 --> 00:04:27,150 That's awesome. 67 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:28,620 Uh, so, okay. 68 00:04:28,710 --> 00:04:34,770 So black Dalia depths, I think, well, black Dahlia side, but that's a topic 69 00:04:34,770 --> 00:04:38,730 I think I'm going to still continue to go to, I'm going to learn more about, 70 00:04:38,730 --> 00:04:42,960 because it is interesting, but because there's so much like, well, maybe it's 71 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,500 this, or maybe it's that, or maybe it's this, or maybe it's that, or who knows. 72 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:50,220 Maybe it's this completely different thing or until I can feel like I get 73 00:04:50,220 --> 00:04:55,200 like some real narrowing down, this is more of the likely situation. 74 00:04:55,350 --> 00:04:57,870 That's kind of why I wanted to put it off to the side. 75 00:04:58,560 --> 00:04:58,860 Sonia Meza-Leon: Okay. 76 00:04:58,860 --> 00:05:01,500 So we're still going to talk about the black Dahlia in the future, but 77 00:05:01,500 --> 00:05:02,280 Brittney Sherman: not right now. 78 00:05:02,310 --> 00:05:03,660 Exactly, exactly. 79 00:05:04,650 --> 00:05:05,220 Sonia Meza-Leon: Fair enough. 80 00:05:05,220 --> 00:05:05,820 Let's go 81 00:05:05,820 --> 00:05:06,540 Brittney Sherman: roll with it. 82 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:07,680 All right. 83 00:05:07,740 --> 00:05:15,390 So, um, black delegate aside, uh, we are talking about the. 84 00:05:16,169 --> 00:05:17,940 Double murder, suicide. 85 00:05:18,419 --> 00:05:22,590 Uh, Nancy, Daniel, and Chris Benwah. 86 00:05:23,369 --> 00:05:30,780 That took place between June 22nd and June 24th, 2007. 87 00:05:30,780 --> 00:05:34,530 And based on your response, I think, you know what we're talking about? 88 00:05:35,669 --> 00:05:36,390 Sonia Meza-Leon: I is 89 00:05:36,390 --> 00:05:39,210 Brittney Sherman: this, the wrestling guy is the wrestling guy. 90 00:05:39,719 --> 00:05:40,469 Sonia Meza-Leon: Oh my God. 91 00:05:40,469 --> 00:05:41,580 You totally threw me for a loop. 92 00:05:41,609 --> 00:05:42,630 I don't know anything about this. 93 00:05:42,630 --> 00:05:43,440 So you are going to 94 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:44,179 Brittney Sherman: have to tell me this. 95 00:05:44,270 --> 00:05:44,669 All right. 96 00:05:44,700 --> 00:05:49,650 Well, feel free to jump in with questions, but, um, so w you know, 97 00:05:49,799 --> 00:05:53,700 I should probably take a deep breath here because we're, we're kind of being 98 00:05:53,700 --> 00:05:56,520 lighthearted and laughing and joking. 99 00:05:56,820 --> 00:06:00,840 Uh, this is, uh, this is an extremely tragic story. 100 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:08,115 And, uh, this is one that as, as I said, at the top, I know very, very well. 101 00:06:08,115 --> 00:06:12,255 And I feel comfortable with not to say that I know everything about it, 102 00:06:12,645 --> 00:06:20,205 but I want to take you through not just the crimes, but really the key 103 00:06:20,205 --> 00:06:23,745 points and life of Chris and Nancy. 104 00:06:23,745 --> 00:06:30,585 Benwah leading up to the fateful weekend in June of 2007. 105 00:06:31,575 --> 00:06:37,935 So Chris Ben wall is a Canadian, was a Canadian professional wrestler. 106 00:06:38,294 --> 00:06:44,835 Uh, he was considered a, uh, he was, he was a stellar standout, 107 00:06:44,985 --> 00:06:47,085 one of the best in the world. 108 00:06:47,115 --> 00:06:52,965 He was a world champion, professional wrestler, uh, air quotes. 109 00:06:52,965 --> 00:06:56,745 If you want with world champion, uh, he, he wrestled all over 110 00:06:56,745 --> 00:07:00,224 the world from Mexico to Japan. 111 00:07:01,140 --> 00:07:01,920 Canada. 112 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:07,170 And of course in the United States, he got his start in the eighties in 113 00:07:07,170 --> 00:07:13,260 stampede wrestling, which is known for, uh, wrestling fans out there. 114 00:07:13,260 --> 00:07:16,380 And even those who might not be wrestling fans, uh, it was run 115 00:07:16,380 --> 00:07:22,020 by Stu Hart, the father of Bret, the Hitman Hart and Owen Hart. 116 00:07:22,020 --> 00:07:25,110 And it's where the British bulldogs came from. 117 00:07:25,590 --> 00:07:31,080 And B it was the, uh, the premier wrestling territory in Canada. 118 00:07:31,620 --> 00:07:40,080 And from his roots in Canada, he then went to, uh, wrestle in Mexico 119 00:07:40,230 --> 00:07:45,360 where he teamed with who would become his best friend, Eddie Guerrero. 120 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:50,130 Uh, Eddie Guerrero was a champion Lucia Liberi wrestler. 121 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:56,550 Uh, he comes from a long line of, uh, Lucia Libris wrestlers, 122 00:07:56,550 --> 00:07:58,740 the Guerrero family, his. 123 00:07:59,580 --> 00:08:01,380 Uh, nephew Chapo. 124 00:08:01,410 --> 00:08:04,110 And you he's like a couple of years younger than him. 125 00:08:04,500 --> 00:08:09,150 Uh, his, uh, uncle Chapo, Sr. 126 00:08:09,420 --> 00:08:16,110 And, uh, Eddie was also known around the world, but Chris really gained 127 00:08:16,110 --> 00:08:22,890 his biggest popularity when he went to Japan and wrestled as the 128 00:08:22,890 --> 00:08:30,870 Pegasus kid and Japanese wrestling is known for its more realistic style. 129 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:36,090 It is hard-hitting, uh, they don't pull the punches per se. 130 00:08:36,300 --> 00:08:41,370 The, uh, the hits on the mat are brutal. 131 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:43,140 The kicks are real. 132 00:08:43,530 --> 00:08:48,510 The holds are meant to hurt that choke holds are meant to choke you out. 133 00:08:48,870 --> 00:08:52,980 Uh, it's called hardstyle and Chris took the. 134 00:08:53,970 --> 00:09:02,430 To heart and, uh, Russell wrestled hard and he largely mimicked his 135 00:09:02,430 --> 00:09:10,470 wrestling style after a, another wrestler who he met and idolized in 136 00:09:10,470 --> 00:09:15,600 Canada, in stampede wrestling, who also went onto the WWF dynamite kid 137 00:09:15,750 --> 00:09:17,910 who was part of the British bulldogs. 138 00:09:18,390 --> 00:09:25,860 And one of dynamite kids, signature moves was a top rope diving head butt 139 00:09:25,949 --> 00:09:28,710 onto a promo opponent laying on the mat. 140 00:09:29,490 --> 00:09:30,210 And that 141 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,460 Sonia Meza-Leon: wasn't that like the Jimmy, the snicker? 142 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:34,530 No, he did like this flying squirrel kind 143 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:34,800 Brittney Sherman: of thing. 144 00:09:35,730 --> 00:09:36,240 I'm not sure. 145 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,660 I'm not sure what a flying squirrel is, but he does splash. 146 00:09:39,689 --> 00:09:40,140 Yes. 147 00:09:40,410 --> 00:09:47,400 But so imagine instead of a splash and landing on your belly, you are leading 148 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:49,800 with your head and you're landing on your. 149 00:09:51,180 --> 00:09:53,760 So he's why who did that? 150 00:09:53,760 --> 00:10:00,420 So that's what Crispin law took up after dynamite kid who learned 151 00:10:00,420 --> 00:10:06,450 that move from Harley race and Harley race was Oop to terrible. 152 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:08,790 These are all porn. 153 00:10:08,820 --> 00:10:11,970 These sound like all porn, but Harley race was a, he was like 154 00:10:11,970 --> 00:10:13,710 a king of Southern wrestling. 155 00:10:13,740 --> 00:10:16,410 Literally his, he went by a king Harley race. 156 00:10:16,710 --> 00:10:20,370 He, uh, you know, he told after he did it for years, he told 157 00:10:20,370 --> 00:10:21,420 everyone don't ever do it. 158 00:10:21,420 --> 00:10:22,620 It's gonna mess up your head. 159 00:10:23,190 --> 00:10:26,850 Then Tom Billington, the dynamite kid started doing it. 160 00:10:26,910 --> 00:10:29,880 And dynamite told Ben watt don't do this. 161 00:10:30,150 --> 00:10:32,670 Ben watt did it and made it his signature move. 162 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:36,870 It looks as bad as it sounds if not worse. 163 00:10:37,260 --> 00:10:44,850 Uh, he, his goal was to dive headfirst and tried to connect with the neck 164 00:10:44,850 --> 00:10:47,490 shoulder head area of his pronoun. 165 00:10:48,224 --> 00:10:57,255 So, well, Chris was learning the ropes in Canada and Japan, Nancy Benwah. 166 00:10:57,285 --> 00:11:03,734 His future wife was becoming a staple of Southern wrestling in 167 00:11:03,734 --> 00:11:09,464 the NWA and Florida championship wrestling your territory song now. 168 00:11:12,885 --> 00:11:15,734 Sonia Meza-Leon: I think that the last time I watch wrestling, I 169 00:11:15,734 --> 00:11:17,145 think dusty Rhodes was involved. 170 00:11:17,175 --> 00:11:17,594 Well, this 171 00:11:17,594 --> 00:11:18,104 Brittney Sherman: would have been me. 172 00:11:18,615 --> 00:11:21,704 Rick flares would have been the dusty Rhodes Ric flair time. 173 00:11:22,064 --> 00:11:25,185 And so this is the mid to late eighties. 174 00:11:25,454 --> 00:11:30,824 Nancy is getting involved and she joins a stable. 175 00:11:30,854 --> 00:11:36,645 They're called a group of wrestlers led by Kevin Sullivan and Kevin Sullivan. 176 00:11:36,675 --> 00:11:39,375 Is this a character? 177 00:11:39,375 --> 00:11:40,635 He portrays a character. 178 00:11:40,635 --> 00:11:48,194 Who's a cult leader, devil worshipper and Nancy goes by the name fallen 179 00:11:48,224 --> 00:11:51,704 angel a as one of Kevin's fault. 180 00:11:53,505 --> 00:12:01,155 Well quickly life imitates art and Nancy having fallen in love and get married. 181 00:12:01,395 --> 00:12:06,915 So, uh, now we have Nancy Sullivan and Kevin Sullivan married and they 182 00:12:06,915 --> 00:12:12,495 go in, go from Florida championship wrestling to Georgia wrestling, which 183 00:12:12,495 --> 00:12:14,985 would become the WCW world championship. 184 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:22,230 In the nineties, Crispin walking back from Japan, and then he signed a long-term 185 00:12:22,230 --> 00:12:31,170 contract with WCW in 1995, as a premier featured wrestler at this time, WCW 186 00:12:31,170 --> 00:12:34,020 was famous for, they had whole Cogan. 187 00:12:34,050 --> 00:12:39,360 They had macho man, Randy Savage soon, the, a NWI was going to be famous. 188 00:12:39,630 --> 00:12:45,450 And you had guys like Crispin woah and Eddie Guerrero that were very small. 189 00:12:45,450 --> 00:12:50,700 They're under six foot they're, uh, they first were considered cruiser weights, 190 00:12:50,730 --> 00:12:53,880 which are guys I don't, I don't know what the standard is, but like under 191 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:58,560 220 pounds or something like that, small guys, I said a cruiser, like, what is it 192 00:12:58,560 --> 00:13:00,090 referring to a little guy, little guy. 193 00:13:00,090 --> 00:13:00,360 Yeah. 194 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,940 I think it's a backtick I think it's a boxing term also. 195 00:13:04,890 --> 00:13:08,370 I think, I know, I know there's I know there's a UFC division 196 00:13:08,370 --> 00:13:09,420 called cruiserweight also. 197 00:13:09,690 --> 00:13:15,810 Uh, but essentially Eddie and, and Chris were, uh, were premiere cruiser weights. 198 00:13:16,020 --> 00:13:20,520 They knew each other from working with each other previously and they 199 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:26,070 found a lot of frustration because they routinely would steal the show by 200 00:13:26,070 --> 00:13:31,080 putting on the best performance, but were never considered top caliber guys. 201 00:13:31,620 --> 00:13:37,560 So later in the nineties, Kevin Sullivan became head Booker. 202 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:43,020 Remember, Kevin is married to Nancy and head Booker means he essentially 203 00:13:43,020 --> 00:13:47,880 decides the creative for the show and decides to write a storyline where 204 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:56,850 his real life wife Nancy gets into a relationship with Chris and the storyline. 205 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:58,950 Is that Kevin B. 206 00:13:59,939 --> 00:14:04,079 Living up to his psychotic kind of Satanist type character 207 00:14:04,380 --> 00:14:05,850 is too much for Nancy. 208 00:14:05,850 --> 00:14:11,579 And so she seeks the consultation or support or whatever. 209 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:12,030 Yeah. 210 00:14:12,030 --> 00:14:12,449 That's what 211 00:14:12,449 --> 00:14:13,079 Sonia Meza-Leon: she's looking for. 212 00:14:13,290 --> 00:14:14,340 His consultation. 213 00:14:15,060 --> 00:14:16,720 I'm sure he has a big consultation. 214 00:14:18,030 --> 00:14:19,050 Hey, quick, wait. 215 00:14:19,050 --> 00:14:20,100 So back up, hold on a 216 00:14:20,100 --> 00:14:20,430 Brittney Sherman: second. 217 00:14:20,459 --> 00:14:21,780 Kevin Sullivan was here, wrestler. 218 00:14:21,780 --> 00:14:24,540 He was a wrestler, but he was also like a behind the scenes guy. 219 00:14:25,860 --> 00:14:28,560 Sonia Meza-Leon: I feel like he was like, from that Sullivan, wasn't there like 220 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:30,660 a Sullivan family that was like Gordy. 221 00:14:30,689 --> 00:14:31,740 No, that was Gordon soul. 222 00:14:31,770 --> 00:14:32,730 Was it Gordon Sullivan? 223 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:33,280 That was 224 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:33,540 Brittney Sherman: Gordon. 225 00:14:33,750 --> 00:14:34,500 There was an announcer. 226 00:14:34,500 --> 00:14:34,800 Right. 227 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:36,630 So 228 00:14:36,630 --> 00:14:36,930 Sonia Meza-Leon: right. 229 00:14:36,930 --> 00:14:37,170 Sorry. 230 00:14:37,170 --> 00:14:37,530 Okay. 231 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:37,980 Got it. 232 00:14:37,980 --> 00:14:38,460 That's the guy. 233 00:14:38,460 --> 00:14:40,260 I remember the little coma where he was so cute. 234 00:14:40,260 --> 00:14:41,250 My dad loved that guy. 235 00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:44,069 He had like these big glasses 236 00:14:44,819 --> 00:14:44,970 Brittney Sherman: and 237 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:48,089 Sonia Meza-Leon: he was always standing between these wrestlers who were spitting 238 00:14:48,089 --> 00:14:48,750 Brittney Sherman: all over him. 239 00:14:51,270 --> 00:14:52,170 He had such a distinct. 240 00:14:53,925 --> 00:14:55,335 Yeah, I liked that guy. 241 00:14:55,695 --> 00:14:57,675 Uh, so, uh, all right. 242 00:14:57,675 --> 00:14:58,035 Sorry. 243 00:14:58,575 --> 00:14:59,085 I digress. 244 00:14:59,415 --> 00:15:07,425 So, so Kevin writes this narrative of Nancy and Chris are starting to 245 00:15:07,425 --> 00:15:13,935 have a, an on-screen relationship because, uh, Kevin is on a line 246 00:15:13,935 --> 00:15:16,035 and Nancy can't take it anymore. 247 00:15:16,335 --> 00:15:21,165 And they start to shoot these vignettes where, um, you know, Nancy is starting 248 00:15:21,165 --> 00:15:23,925 to fall for Chris at the same time. 249 00:15:23,955 --> 00:15:28,455 Chris is going through a divorce of his own will when she know it, lo and behold, 250 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:35,160 Life imitates art and they're spending so much on screen-time together that 251 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:37,920 they develop a relationship off screen. 252 00:15:38,460 --> 00:15:49,765 And, uh, ultimately Nancy leaves heaven for Chris and this, uh, As oftentimes does 253 00:15:49,765 --> 00:15:56,485 in wrestling when real life of interacts with wrestling, it bleeds onto the screen. 254 00:15:56,845 --> 00:16:05,005 And so Chris and Kevin have this like blow off, aha, no holds barred, 255 00:16:05,185 --> 00:16:09,505 violent match to, uh, end it all. 256 00:16:09,595 --> 00:16:13,825 And I don't think it was explicit, but you know, the, the idea 257 00:16:13,825 --> 00:16:16,345 of being winner gets Nancy. 258 00:16:16,645 --> 00:16:20,305 Now Kevin Sullivan would go on to say, at this point there 259 00:16:20,305 --> 00:16:21,895 was actually no hard feelings. 260 00:16:21,925 --> 00:16:26,305 That was all character because he and Nancy had been separated for eight months. 261 00:16:26,305 --> 00:16:32,365 Anyway, there are others that argue this and say, no, in fact, 262 00:16:32,425 --> 00:16:35,005 Nancy's sister is one of them all. 263 00:16:35,725 --> 00:16:40,405 Nancy's sister was at a show one night, but Nancy was not. 264 00:16:40,435 --> 00:16:48,985 And Kevin and Chris got into a real life backstage fight and Kevin 265 00:16:48,985 --> 00:16:52,105 was asking her to ride with him. 266 00:16:52,314 --> 00:16:54,265 Chris said, no, come with me. 267 00:16:54,715 --> 00:17:00,385 And, uh, Nancy was on the phone, told her sister no, get in the 268 00:17:00,385 --> 00:17:02,395 car with Chris at the time. 269 00:17:02,605 --> 00:17:04,435 Nancy was so married with Kevin. 270 00:17:05,214 --> 00:17:11,335 Chris took Nancy sister to see Nancy and Nancy was battered and bruised, 271 00:17:11,335 --> 00:17:16,315 and she claims that it was from Kevin abusing her Kevin denies these 272 00:17:16,315 --> 00:17:19,285 allegations for what it's worth there. 273 00:17:19,285 --> 00:17:22,345 You have it with the, uh, the start. 274 00:17:23,099 --> 00:17:26,099 The tumultuous start of the Crispin wall. 275 00:17:26,339 --> 00:17:32,610 Nancy Sullivan relationship Nancy gets pregnant, has a son. 276 00:17:33,090 --> 00:17:33,929 They got married. 277 00:17:33,929 --> 00:17:35,280 Their son was the best man. 278 00:17:35,490 --> 00:17:41,939 They're living a happy life, but Chris is still frustrated with his position in WCW. 279 00:17:42,270 --> 00:17:46,530 And Kevin Sullivan now is kind of running WCW. 280 00:17:47,070 --> 00:17:54,240 And Kevin sees Chris as his top guy to lead WCW into the future. 281 00:17:54,389 --> 00:17:56,729 So decides to make him their world champion. 282 00:17:57,300 --> 00:18:07,620 And Chris wins the world title and quits in the same night and takes Nancy 283 00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:13,860 with him along with his best friend, Eddie Guerrero, and two other guys 284 00:18:13,889 --> 00:18:16,080 named Perry, Saturn and Dean Malone. 285 00:18:17,610 --> 00:18:25,230 And they show up the next night on number one, competitor WWF as the radicals. 286 00:18:25,770 --> 00:18:29,520 And now this is the next big moment in Crispin was life. 287 00:18:30,330 --> 00:18:35,310 He is promised a lot of success in WWF. 288 00:18:35,730 --> 00:18:45,930 Uh, he is seen as the, a plus player in the group of four and he is excited and 289 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:53,100 proud to be, uh, to be beyond WCW and beyond the confines of Kevin Sullivan. 290 00:18:54,180 --> 00:19:02,220 So at this point, WWF is still, still favoring. 291 00:19:02,550 --> 00:19:08,399 The big hulking dyes that you always saw in eighties and 292 00:19:08,399 --> 00:19:11,700 nineties wrestling and well, Chris. 293 00:19:13,305 --> 00:19:16,365 Any standard had an impressive physique. 294 00:19:16,365 --> 00:19:22,455 He still was a short guy and couldn't stand up to the real big top strong guys. 295 00:19:23,205 --> 00:19:32,685 So like many wrestlers do it is highly suggested that Chris started on steroids. 296 00:19:32,925 --> 00:19:37,065 And if he didn't start on them, he was continuing on them. 297 00:19:37,095 --> 00:19:45,435 Despite the quote unquote ban on the use of steroids, he would have a, a, a 298 00:19:45,435 --> 00:19:51,765 pretty successful run in WWF over the course of the first few years he was in 299 00:19:51,765 --> 00:19:54,255 what would be considered the mid card. 300 00:19:54,265 --> 00:20:00,765 He was not a, a top guy, but he was still a successful, uh, he fought through a 301 00:20:00,765 --> 00:20:05,115 lot of injuries because he fought through the injuries and didn't take the time 302 00:20:05,115 --> 00:20:08,175 off like you should have he developed. 303 00:20:08,940 --> 00:20:10,890 A pain killer habit. 304 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:20,820 Then in 2005 a night, that probably was the linchpin point for Crispin 305 00:20:20,820 --> 00:20:24,390 was before he took his family's life. 306 00:20:24,510 --> 00:20:29,490 Eddie Guerrero, his best friend for the last 10 years was found 307 00:20:29,490 --> 00:20:34,770 dead in a hotel room by Eddie's nephew Chapo, Chris was destroyed. 308 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,010 He became a, a different person. 309 00:20:38,430 --> 00:20:39,720 He would go to work. 310 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:43,440 He did his business and left. 311 00:20:43,980 --> 00:20:46,260 There was no friendly interaction. 312 00:20:46,320 --> 00:20:53,580 There was no, uh, the, the personality, if not the person in Crispin wall 313 00:20:54,000 --> 00:21:00,930 was gone, he was destroyed because a year and a half before Eddie's death, 314 00:21:01,020 --> 00:21:03,330 Chris and Eddie shared the spotlight. 315 00:21:04,065 --> 00:21:10,245 With confetti falling down at the, uh, pinnacle moment of WrestleMania 20. 316 00:21:10,485 --> 00:21:15,825 And that's a moment that the two of them always fought to achieve, and they were 317 00:21:15,825 --> 00:21:19,935 able to share the spotlight at the end of the night together in Madison square 318 00:21:19,935 --> 00:21:26,505 garden, which is considered the, uh, the greatest venue in sports, indoor sports. 319 00:21:26,505 --> 00:21:28,965 I guess you could say it's worth noting. 320 00:21:29,385 --> 00:21:32,985 Eddie was 38 at the time of his death. 321 00:21:33,255 --> 00:21:39,615 His official cause of death was, uh, a cardiac arrhythmia leading to arrest. 322 00:21:40,095 --> 00:21:41,955 He was clean. 323 00:21:42,105 --> 00:21:50,625 He did not have drugs in his system, but he had a long storied use of drug 324 00:21:50,625 --> 00:21:54,015 use that is believed to have led to the. 325 00:21:55,140 --> 00:21:58,950 Essentially overworking of his heart and his, even though he was clean at the 326 00:21:58,950 --> 00:22:00,540 time, his heart couldn't take it anymore. 327 00:22:00,930 --> 00:22:06,330 So in the immediate aftermath of Eddie's death, Eddie's wife, 328 00:22:06,360 --> 00:22:09,480 Vicky Guerrero was inconsolable. 329 00:22:09,570 --> 00:22:15,840 And knowing that Eddie and Chris were so close, Nancy spent a week at the 330 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:22,110 Guerrero's house, helping the kids, helping Vicky and getting, essentially 331 00:22:22,110 --> 00:22:23,850 getting the family back to normal. 332 00:22:24,030 --> 00:22:27,510 And while she was doing that, no one was there to support Chris. 333 00:22:27,690 --> 00:22:33,720 And so Chris went into a tremendous, terrible deep depression at one point, 334 00:22:34,410 --> 00:22:41,340 Nancy filed for a restraining order and filed for divorce called Vicky for hell 335 00:22:41,340 --> 00:22:45,420 Vicki, called a neighbor to step in. 336 00:22:45,690 --> 00:22:49,230 And the neighbor stepped in Chris and Nancy. 337 00:22:50,085 --> 00:22:51,735 Pretended to be amicable. 338 00:22:51,764 --> 00:22:55,754 And within 48 hours of filing for a restraining order, the 339 00:22:55,754 --> 00:22:59,294 divorce was called off and Chris and Nancy were back together. 340 00:23:00,044 --> 00:23:04,784 Also during this time, Nancy and Vicki got together and thought as a 341 00:23:04,784 --> 00:23:10,034 way of trying to help Chris get by this, get through the death of Eddie. 342 00:23:10,665 --> 00:23:12,014 They will give him a journal. 343 00:23:12,495 --> 00:23:16,274 And Chris wrote letters to Eddie in his journal. 344 00:23:17,294 --> 00:23:19,665 So in June of 2007, crisp. 345 00:23:20,669 --> 00:23:23,639 His personality was continuing to deteriorate. 346 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:27,750 Uh, he had never fully gotten over the death of Eddie. 347 00:23:27,750 --> 00:23:34,260 He had, he was continuing to struggle and he was put in this tournament to 348 00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:39,480 compete for the vacated ECW championship. 349 00:23:39,750 --> 00:23:45,750 He was in the finals against the Dressler known as cm, punk, and they were going 350 00:23:45,750 --> 00:23:53,639 to wrestle Sunday, June 24th, 2007 at the pay-per-view called vengeance. 351 00:23:54,540 --> 00:24:03,480 The way the story goes is on June 22nd, Friday, Chris and Nancy 352 00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:09,780 Benwah were outside by their pool and they had an argument and Chris 353 00:24:09,780 --> 00:24:12,179 was never someone who drank and. 354 00:24:13,050 --> 00:24:18,750 Did drugs after the death of Eddie grill, he became a drinker, not what you might 355 00:24:18,750 --> 00:24:25,140 consider a heavy drinker, but enough that it was uncharacteristic for Chris. 356 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:32,100 So on the night of the 22nd of June, both Chris and Nancy had been drinking, 357 00:24:32,670 --> 00:24:38,760 it is suggested that they had an argument, a half drank a bottle of 358 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:43,950 wine, which really isn't that much was not, not at all, not in my house. 359 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,950 I mean, yeah, it's really not that much. 360 00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:49,440 So, you know, maybe, maybe there was more that. 361 00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:55,919 Thrown away or something, but it was found outside and it is suggested 362 00:24:56,159 --> 00:25:01,830 based on the evidence that would be found later that Chris tied Nancy's 363 00:25:01,950 --> 00:25:08,070 arm, her wrists and ankles behind her, carried her to their bedroom. 364 00:25:08,310 --> 00:25:15,600 Nilda on her back, strangled her and Chris's signature finishing move was 365 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:21,300 called the crippler cross face where he would wrench someone's neck back 366 00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:24,210 until they tapped out or submitted. 367 00:25:24,330 --> 00:25:30,720 So it's not that he did that move to her, but what he did is he took ligature, 368 00:25:31,409 --> 00:25:37,649 yanked it around her neck, pulled it so hard that the pressure between 369 00:25:38,159 --> 00:25:44,460 the, uh, ligature on her neck and his knees on her back called her, caused 370 00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:47,250 her back to break and she suffered. 371 00:25:48,824 --> 00:25:50,145 Sonia Meza-Leon: What the fuck. 372 00:25:50,175 --> 00:25:52,605 Why did he wait, hold on. 373 00:25:52,935 --> 00:25:53,205 So 374 00:25:53,205 --> 00:25:54,405 Brittney Sherman: he pretty much talked tighter. 375 00:25:54,435 --> 00:25:55,155 That's pretty much right. 376 00:25:55,754 --> 00:26:00,105 I mean, well not, he did not hear wrists and ankles together, but tied, tied her 377 00:26:00,105 --> 00:26:03,074 wrists together and her ankles together. 378 00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:04,185 Oh yeah. 379 00:26:04,215 --> 00:26:04,514 Okay. 380 00:26:04,514 --> 00:26:04,855 Got it. 381 00:26:04,855 --> 00:26:05,355 Behind her. 382 00:26:06,044 --> 00:26:07,485 She couldn't, she couldn't fight back. 383 00:26:10,245 --> 00:26:10,875 Sonia Meza-Leon: Why did he do 384 00:26:10,875 --> 00:26:11,235 Brittney Sherman: that? 385 00:26:11,264 --> 00:26:11,595 Why? 386 00:26:11,834 --> 00:26:13,485 Because she's so she couldn't defend herself. 387 00:26:13,514 --> 00:26:17,175 I mean, not that he needed to know, but I mean, why in general, why did he kill her? 388 00:26:17,445 --> 00:26:17,955 We'll get to that. 389 00:26:18,105 --> 00:26:18,584 Get to that. 390 00:26:19,304 --> 00:26:25,995 So that was on Friday night on Saturday, Chris was supposed to go 391 00:26:25,995 --> 00:26:29,955 to what's known as a house show, uh, which is a wrestling show. 392 00:26:30,014 --> 00:26:31,125 It's not televised. 393 00:26:31,125 --> 00:26:38,024 It's usually in front of a smaller crowd and he called Chavo Eddie's 394 00:26:38,054 --> 00:26:43,385 cousin, Eddie's nephew, excuse me, and said, Hey, I'm not going to make. 395 00:26:44,790 --> 00:26:50,909 Nancy and Daniel have food poisoning and I'm in the hospital with them. 396 00:26:51,090 --> 00:26:52,500 Nancy's throwing up blood. 397 00:26:52,679 --> 00:26:57,720 I can't make it tonight, but I'll make it to Houston for the pay-per-view tomorrow. 398 00:26:58,500 --> 00:26:59,250 Okay, cool. 399 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:00,510 Take care of your family. 400 00:27:00,629 --> 00:27:11,129 You know, we'll deal with it then early in the morning on a Sunday, the 401 00:27:11,129 --> 00:27:23,189 24th as well as a WWE referee, Brad Armstrong get very strange text messages. 402 00:27:24,540 --> 00:27:28,350 They are identical and they say, this is my address. 403 00:27:30,149 --> 00:27:31,800 The dogs are out by the pool. 404 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,649 The gate is open from Chris. 405 00:27:36,300 --> 00:27:37,110 Who did they wait? 406 00:27:37,110 --> 00:27:39,720 Who got the Javo Guerrero at east nephew? 407 00:27:40,514 --> 00:27:43,815 And Brad Armstrong, a WWE referee. 408 00:27:45,405 --> 00:27:47,445 Oh, I know that name. 409 00:27:48,465 --> 00:27:48,764 Okay. 410 00:27:49,125 --> 00:27:49,365 Yeah. 411 00:27:49,365 --> 00:27:49,605 Brad 412 00:27:49,935 --> 00:27:50,524 Sonia Meza-Leon: Armstrong. 413 00:27:50,554 --> 00:27:50,925 I know. 414 00:27:51,495 --> 00:27:53,415 I mean my limited knowledge of wrestling. 415 00:27:53,774 --> 00:27:54,645 Uh, okay. 416 00:27:55,034 --> 00:27:55,274 So 417 00:27:55,274 --> 00:27:55,635 Brittney Sherman: what happens? 418 00:27:56,485 --> 00:28:00,585 Uh, Chapo didn't think it thought it was weird, but didn't think much of it. 419 00:28:01,034 --> 00:28:04,085 He essentially replied to the text message and thought, okay. 420 00:28:04,245 --> 00:28:06,524 You know, I'll pick you up at the airport in a few hours. 421 00:28:06,524 --> 00:28:09,705 Cause he was expected to pick him up at the Houston airport for the event 422 00:28:09,705 --> 00:28:12,524 that night we never heard from Korea. 423 00:28:13,935 --> 00:28:15,824 Chris Don never confirmed his flight. 424 00:28:16,395 --> 00:28:19,605 And so throughout the day, everyone started wondering 425 00:28:19,605 --> 00:28:21,074 where Chris is, where Chris is. 426 00:28:21,615 --> 00:28:27,764 Uh, someone said that they had a, another conversation that Chris said that, uh, now 427 00:28:27,855 --> 00:28:34,365 his son was vomiting blood and in the ER, which is actually contradictory, he said 428 00:28:34,365 --> 00:28:39,165 the day before that Nancy was vomiting blood and in the ER and Chris was with 429 00:28:39,165 --> 00:28:41,054 them, but he'll catch a later flight. 430 00:28:41,415 --> 00:28:42,615 So don't worry about it. 431 00:28:43,695 --> 00:28:45,495 Well, they still couldn't get ahold of him. 432 00:28:45,945 --> 00:28:48,584 It was getting close to the start of the show. 433 00:28:48,945 --> 00:28:57,855 And so someone from WWE security called the local police, uh, in Chris's hometown 434 00:28:58,605 --> 00:29:00,824 and said, can you go to a welfare check? 435 00:29:00,824 --> 00:29:05,024 It's from one of our wrestlers, Chris Benwah, the police gets. 436 00:29:06,015 --> 00:29:07,455 They don't know what they're going to see. 437 00:29:07,785 --> 00:29:13,215 The dogs are out just like the text messages said, and 438 00:29:13,215 --> 00:29:15,855 the dogs are, uh, curtailed. 439 00:29:16,155 --> 00:29:16,875 They're fine. 440 00:29:17,355 --> 00:29:21,735 And, uh, you know, move to the side officers, get in the house 441 00:29:22,665 --> 00:29:28,845 and they find Nancy's body face down in the bed, tie it up. 442 00:29:28,845 --> 00:29:33,465 Like we discussed with a Bible next to her. 443 00:29:33,735 --> 00:29:39,735 Now Chris was never one to, he was never a religious guy, but any turned 444 00:29:39,735 --> 00:29:44,085 to religion after he started to get clean and he started to get his best 445 00:29:44,085 --> 00:29:46,215 friend, Chris involved in religion. 446 00:29:46,365 --> 00:29:51,435 Chris was never, still, never followed it, but started to read 447 00:29:51,435 --> 00:29:57,885 some passages and start to find his way through Christianity. 448 00:29:57,885 --> 00:30:00,495 I guess you could say, Hmm. 449 00:30:00,525 --> 00:30:02,925 The police then continue their way through the house. 450 00:30:04,365 --> 00:30:07,065 And they come to Daniel's bedroom. 451 00:30:07,815 --> 00:30:09,285 Daniel, seven years old. 452 00:30:11,024 --> 00:30:17,805 He is face down in a pillow, under a pillow on his bed dead. 453 00:30:18,975 --> 00:30:23,985 Now, strangely there's also a knife next to Daniel's bed, but there is no evidence 454 00:30:24,315 --> 00:30:26,925 that the knife was used against Daniel. 455 00:30:28,305 --> 00:30:33,135 So now there's obviously a double murder and they still have not 456 00:30:33,135 --> 00:30:36,975 found the person that they were sent to try and find in the house. 457 00:30:37,004 --> 00:30:37,485 Chris. 458 00:30:37,875 --> 00:30:43,575 So now they're concerned that they have a violent person possibly still 459 00:30:43,575 --> 00:30:47,685 in the house and they draw their guns and they start looking for him. 460 00:30:48,254 --> 00:30:52,274 So they look throughout the house, they go down to the basement where 461 00:30:52,274 --> 00:31:01,965 Chris has a gym, a home gym, and they see Crispin tie tied up around. 462 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:12,090 With Jim chord and hanging from the top of a gym unit that is being supported 463 00:31:12,450 --> 00:31:16,110 or pulled down by excessive weights. 464 00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:19,470 Uh, so he snapped his neck and killed himself. 465 00:31:21,150 --> 00:31:29,010 The, uh, the WWE superstars were con in formed of the, the, uh, Vince the 466 00:31:29,010 --> 00:31:33,810 findings, I guess you could say, just before that show went on the air. 467 00:31:34,650 --> 00:31:38,820 I don't know how they went through with the show, but they did the next day. 468 00:31:38,910 --> 00:31:42,810 And investigation continues that night. 469 00:31:42,870 --> 00:31:49,830 Now Monday night, June 25th, WWE goes on the air with a tribute show to 470 00:31:49,830 --> 00:31:56,520 Crispin wall because at this point, Say that they have been informed that 471 00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,810 the three of them have died, but they have not been told holiday have died. 472 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:05,280 Now, this is obviously it's a, it's a point of controversy because 473 00:32:06,180 --> 00:32:08,100 this is more than 24 hours later. 474 00:32:08,100 --> 00:32:12,090 And it's pretty amazing that the police would not have reported their findings 475 00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:15,270 26 hours earlier or whatever it was. 476 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:18,600 So WWE goes on the air with a tribute show. 477 00:32:18,930 --> 00:32:24,090 You've got all sorts of superstars crying, talking about how great he was. 478 00:32:24,090 --> 00:32:26,550 They show his best moments as a wrestler. 479 00:32:26,850 --> 00:32:30,330 It's a, it's a really great, beautiful show. 480 00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:36,450 WWE claims that two hours into the three-hour show is about when they found 481 00:32:36,450 --> 00:32:42,450 out the true matters of the, the events of the death that Chris actually was 482 00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:45,840 responsible for killing his wife and child, and then taking his own life. 483 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,070 Wait, 484 00:32:47,490 --> 00:32:48,240 Sonia Meza-Leon: hold on a second. 485 00:32:49,380 --> 00:32:55,410 What so ho how he may not know that and why didn't they check into it before they, 486 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,440 I mean, what he was, he killed himself. 487 00:32:58,590 --> 00:33:00,720 Two people died that couldn't have killed themselves. 488 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,790 He was the only likely suspect. 489 00:33:02,970 --> 00:33:04,890 How did they not know that before they did some kind 490 00:33:04,890 --> 00:33:08,400 Brittney Sherman: of like the thoughts was carbon monoxide poisoning because 491 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:13,590 they hadn't, they claim, and this is supported by a lot of people. 492 00:33:13,890 --> 00:33:19,080 They thought that it could have been carbon monoxide poisoning or some 493 00:33:19,350 --> 00:33:24,870 sort of freak accident that killed all three of them that they didn't know, 494 00:33:25,950 --> 00:33:27,090 Sonia Meza-Leon: her hands were tied 495 00:33:27,090 --> 00:33:30,120 Brittney Sherman: and her feet, they didn't have that information yet. 496 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:31,660 Oh my God. 497 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,170 Sonia Meza-Leon: Now what the, what a mess there. 498 00:33:34,230 --> 00:33:35,250 Well, what happened? 499 00:33:35,250 --> 00:33:35,850 So what happened? 500 00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:38,010 They halfway through, what did they, did they stop? 501 00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:38,520 Did they, we 502 00:33:38,540 --> 00:33:39,600 Brittney Sherman: finished the show. 503 00:33:40,050 --> 00:33:44,610 Um, now you might be familiar with a wrestler named Chris Jericho. 504 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:45,930 He's a pretty famous guy. 505 00:33:47,445 --> 00:33:48,585 I guess maybe not. 506 00:33:48,615 --> 00:33:48,945 Okay. 507 00:33:49,425 --> 00:33:50,355 Uh, no. 508 00:33:50,415 --> 00:33:51,915 Well, he says he was watching that show. 509 00:33:51,915 --> 00:33:55,155 I don't know if he was, I don't know if it was with WWE at the time or not, 510 00:33:55,395 --> 00:33:59,085 but he said he was watching that show and he said that he has a hard time 511 00:33:59,085 --> 00:34:04,635 believing that WWE didn't know because during one of their, like, what are 512 00:34:04,635 --> 00:34:08,025 the wrestler videos paying tribute? 513 00:34:08,685 --> 00:34:11,655 There was almost like a, a cryptic message. 514 00:34:12,435 --> 00:34:19,574 That pretty much, it was something like, I used to think that I would never 515 00:34:19,574 --> 00:34:22,215 trust anyone else more with my family. 516 00:34:23,565 --> 00:34:26,565 And he just thought that is a really strange thing for someone 517 00:34:26,565 --> 00:34:31,935 to say what, who said that, uh, it, I'm not cording that exactly. 518 00:34:32,175 --> 00:34:35,175 But, uh, another wrestler by the name of, I think you get 519 00:34:35,175 --> 00:34:36,495 went by William Regal at the. 520 00:34:38,475 --> 00:34:40,034 Sonia Meza-Leon: And why would he say something like that? 521 00:34:40,364 --> 00:34:44,025 Was he saying it about, about crisp Anwar or was he just 522 00:34:44,025 --> 00:34:46,094 Brittney Sherman: saying it in general saying it about Crispin and water? 523 00:34:46,125 --> 00:34:47,205 So that's the question. 524 00:34:47,324 --> 00:34:49,875 Why would he phrase it in such a weird way? 525 00:34:50,025 --> 00:34:57,074 Chris Jericho feels like some people knew something and they just weren't saying it. 526 00:34:57,884 --> 00:35:01,215 So WWE goes off year. 527 00:35:01,785 --> 00:35:07,275 The news starts to flood with the facts of what actually happened the next night. 528 00:35:07,305 --> 00:35:13,845 They have another show and WWE chairman, Vince McMahon, who ran the previous show 529 00:35:14,205 --> 00:35:20,475 starts the show saying we did what we thought was the right thing to do since 530 00:35:20,865 --> 00:35:24,045 that time new evidence has come to light. 531 00:35:24,615 --> 00:35:26,745 This is the last you will hear. 532 00:35:26,745 --> 00:35:30,015 Crispin was named mentioned on this program. 533 00:35:30,705 --> 00:35:35,535 And Crispin was name has never been mentioned on WWE Everest. 534 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,940 Sonia Meza-Leon: But don't you think that's, I mean, I'm, I think that's, 535 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:46,860 I don't know, I guess the right thing to do, but I mean, think about the 536 00:35:46,860 --> 00:35:50,610 underlying reasons behind his behavior, which is probably that, you know, 537 00:35:50,610 --> 00:35:52,770 prefrontal lobe damage from wrestling. 538 00:35:53,100 --> 00:35:57,270 And then I, I mean, we all know the Vince of men is an opportunist. 539 00:35:57,420 --> 00:36:01,980 So any time that he can overdraw drum dramatize something 540 00:36:02,010 --> 00:36:03,570 to his benefit, he does. 541 00:36:03,690 --> 00:36:06,210 So making a statement like that, I mean, he didn't have a choice, 542 00:36:06,210 --> 00:36:10,350 but I mean, yes, I feel like that that in and of itself was an act. 543 00:36:10,350 --> 00:36:12,150 I agree with whoever said that they knew, 544 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:14,070 Brittney Sherman: um, I, I, I don't disagree with you. 545 00:36:14,070 --> 00:36:17,790 The Vincent man is an opportunist, but I think when you're talking about 546 00:36:18,270 --> 00:36:21,390 a murder, that's a different thing. 547 00:36:21,450 --> 00:36:22,890 That's a different level. 548 00:36:23,130 --> 00:36:29,625 When you're talking about events happening in the world, in the media, Even your 549 00:36:29,625 --> 00:36:35,055 own people that can kind of be written off as a period in life or something. 550 00:36:35,325 --> 00:36:41,924 Yes, he's absolutely an opportunist, but now it's talking about getting 551 00:36:41,924 --> 00:36:46,964 involved in a murder investigation and I think that's, I personally, that's 552 00:36:46,964 --> 00:36:49,395 my opinion of the difference, I, 553 00:36:49,694 --> 00:36:52,305 Sonia Meza-Leon: I guess, but how was he getting involved in a murder? 554 00:36:52,484 --> 00:36:55,725 I mean, how, I mean, sure. 555 00:36:55,725 --> 00:36:58,545 They reported too quickly without getting their facts straight, but 556 00:36:58,545 --> 00:37:01,605 I'm not sure that that meant that they participated in any way in the 557 00:37:01,605 --> 00:37:02,055 Brittney Sherman: murders. 558 00:37:02,285 --> 00:37:02,775 No, no, no. 559 00:37:02,775 --> 00:37:03,404 I agree. 560 00:37:03,435 --> 00:37:07,335 But I think that they wanted to do everything that they could to 561 00:37:07,575 --> 00:37:10,395 distance themselves from Chris. 562 00:37:11,025 --> 00:37:14,625 He, he was completely removed. 563 00:37:14,835 --> 00:37:15,285 Now. 564 00:37:15,345 --> 00:37:17,055 You, they, you can. 565 00:37:17,985 --> 00:37:19,875 You can look all over WWE. 566 00:37:20,175 --> 00:37:25,485 You will not find his name anywhere like his wrestling matches. 567 00:37:25,545 --> 00:37:29,565 You can still find on their streaming network, but if you 568 00:37:29,565 --> 00:37:32,985 search for Crispin wall on the streaming network, it comes up empty. 569 00:37:33,375 --> 00:37:36,495 It's only if you know where to look, will you be able to find them because 570 00:37:36,495 --> 00:37:37,935 they're part of a larger program. 571 00:37:38,895 --> 00:37:42,375 Uh, but more importantly, let's talk about exactly what you just said. 572 00:37:42,675 --> 00:37:48,795 That pre frontal lobe damage due to the activity, the profession, 573 00:37:48,825 --> 00:37:50,415 the livelihood that he was in. 574 00:37:50,715 --> 00:37:57,075 And let's talk about that diving head, but that he did thousands. 575 00:37:57,105 --> 00:38:03,645 Upon thousands of times, there was one wrestler whose name is Chris Nowinski, 576 00:38:03,915 --> 00:38:10,245 who retired from wrestling to get into neuroscience after he had six concussions. 577 00:38:10,485 --> 00:38:13,335 And he asked Chris at one point in his career, how many 578 00:38:13,335 --> 00:38:15,045 concussions have you had increases? 579 00:38:16,185 --> 00:38:18,194 I can't even tell, I can't count how many. 580 00:38:18,435 --> 00:38:24,674 So there is no doubt that he had tremendous brain damage so much so that 581 00:38:24,975 --> 00:38:28,395 his brain was autopsied afterwards. 582 00:38:28,605 --> 00:38:33,855 It had severe CTE, which we all know is what's found largely 583 00:38:33,884 --> 00:38:37,065 in a lot of NFL players now. 584 00:38:37,515 --> 00:38:46,005 And it's actually suggested that the rate of CTE and early death of wrestlers could 585 00:38:46,005 --> 00:38:53,265 be doubled that of NFL players suggested I have heard that said I don't have 586 00:38:53,265 --> 00:38:54,975 the confirmed science to back that up. 587 00:38:55,005 --> 00:38:56,205 So I want to emphasize that. 588 00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,820 Sonia Meza-Leon: But this is a surprise me because they don't have any gear on 589 00:38:59,820 --> 00:39:02,340 that's protecting them and they bang each other on the head with folding 590 00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:02,630 Brittney Sherman: chairs. 591 00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:03,480 That's exactly right. 592 00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:09,120 And after that and after me, so after Crispin Wawa, they outlawed 593 00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:12,510 exactly the act that you just said, bang each other on the head. 594 00:39:13,170 --> 00:39:13,590 I swear. 595 00:39:14,100 --> 00:39:14,700 Absolutely. 596 00:39:15,090 --> 00:39:15,810 They definitely did. 597 00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:22,410 They, uh, they got rid of like allowing that diving head butt or allowing 598 00:39:22,410 --> 00:39:24,930 that head first type of contact. 599 00:39:25,230 --> 00:39:32,010 They had a drug policy previously and after Crispin law, they 600 00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:33,890 strongly started to inform. 601 00:39:35,145 --> 00:39:41,415 And in addition to the CTE, Chris had a, uh, a posthumous blood tests done 602 00:39:41,415 --> 00:39:43,095 to check for drugs in his system. 603 00:39:43,455 --> 00:39:48,255 He had some alcoholic system because there were half drank, bottled wine found all 604 00:39:48,255 --> 00:39:53,025 around the house, not just by the pool where Nancy was probably killed or at 605 00:39:53,025 --> 00:40:01,035 the very least tied up, but no illegal drugs, no real prescription drugs, no 606 00:40:01,035 --> 00:40:07,815 steroids, but he had 10 times the normal amount of testosterone in his body. 607 00:40:08,685 --> 00:40:16,815 And if you listen to a WWE attorney, he will tell you that that's not uncommon 608 00:40:17,025 --> 00:40:22,695 for someone getting over steroids is usage because steroids decrease the 609 00:40:22,695 --> 00:40:24,405 amount of testosterone in your body. 610 00:40:24,615 --> 00:40:29,025 And when you stop using the steroids, you need to replenish your loss to stop. 611 00:40:30,105 --> 00:40:34,575 Others will tell you that is a way to get around using steroids by 612 00:40:34,575 --> 00:40:36,645 increasing your testosterone levels. 613 00:40:37,575 --> 00:40:38,055 Huh? 614 00:40:38,235 --> 00:40:38,775 Interesting. 615 00:40:38,805 --> 00:40:39,345 All right. 616 00:40:39,765 --> 00:40:49,515 The way the services of Nancy and Daniel were attended only by one WWE participant 617 00:40:50,384 --> 00:40:56,475 Jim Ross, who was a talent relations guy and onscreen play by play guy. 618 00:40:56,955 --> 00:40:58,545 He was asked to leave. 619 00:40:59,384 --> 00:41:05,535 Crispin wa had a private service only with his surviving son, David from a previous 620 00:41:05,535 --> 00:41:14,985 marriage and Chris, his ex wife, uh, an immediate family in the time after the 621 00:41:15,944 --> 00:41:19,875 murders, that diary that he was given. 622 00:41:19,875 --> 00:41:20,225 So he. 623 00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:27,780 Right to Eddie was found and read, and it had some very telling signs in there. 624 00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:31,740 And it would almost read like someone whose mental capacity 625 00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:33,900 and sanity was deteriorating. 626 00:41:35,130 --> 00:41:39,270 Even as much saying, as I know, I'll be seeing you soon, 627 00:41:39,510 --> 00:41:41,100 I'm coming to be with you. 628 00:41:42,060 --> 00:41:43,080 So he said, 629 00:41:43,140 --> 00:41:47,070 Sonia Meza-Leon: so you feel like that he, he obviously had this planned? 630 00:41:47,730 --> 00:41:48,750 Brittney Sherman: Yes, absolutely. 631 00:41:48,750 --> 00:41:49,680 This was not 632 00:41:49,710 --> 00:41:50,070 Sonia Meza-Leon: high. 633 00:41:50,070 --> 00:41:50,850 The why? 634 00:41:50,850 --> 00:41:54,180 Like how do you have it planned and then kill your wife and your son too? 635 00:41:54,210 --> 00:41:55,330 Well, like why? 636 00:41:55,330 --> 00:42:00,060 Because that seems like to me that was something, I mean, maybe it was planned, 637 00:42:00,060 --> 00:42:02,610 but like why, you know, kill yourself. 638 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:03,360 Brittney Sherman: Why kill them? 639 00:42:03,390 --> 00:42:04,710 Well, a hundred percent. 640 00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:05,610 Exactly. 641 00:42:05,850 --> 00:42:10,740 So he, uh, not only did he have terrible CTE, he had the brain 642 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,470 of an 85 year old Alzheimer's. 643 00:42:13,770 --> 00:42:17,280 So he clearly was not in the right mental capacity. 644 00:42:17,610 --> 00:42:24,270 He leading up to that time in the 18 months between Eddie's and Chris's death. 645 00:42:24,690 --> 00:42:28,890 Chris was exhibiting more violent behavior, more erratic behavior. 646 00:42:29,010 --> 00:42:34,680 He wasn't himself, whether or not he intended to take that action. 647 00:42:34,980 --> 00:42:42,150 The weekend of June 22nd to the 24th, or it was something that snapped in him 648 00:42:42,150 --> 00:42:43,890 that weekend that led him to choose. 649 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,830 Then maybe he was planning on just killing himself. 650 00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:53,280 Maybe he had some sort of demons talking to him in his diseased brain. 651 00:42:53,940 --> 00:42:56,160 We'll never know exactly what caused it. 652 00:42:56,430 --> 00:42:59,640 It was a hideous, disgusting murder. 653 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:00,840 And. 654 00:43:02,370 --> 00:43:04,200 Changed wrestling forever. 655 00:43:04,500 --> 00:43:08,520 Um, as I said, there are no more chair shots to the head. 656 00:43:08,790 --> 00:43:13,230 There are no more what are called pile drivers, where you throw a 657 00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:14,879 guy straight down on his head. 658 00:43:14,879 --> 00:43:18,240 There's no more diving headbutts or leading with your head. 659 00:43:18,569 --> 00:43:24,629 There are stricter drug policies, but regardless three people, two completely 660 00:43:24,629 --> 00:43:31,200 innocently, including a seven year old boy lost their life due to what many people 661 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:37,200 will argue was negligence in the way that a business worked for generations. 662 00:43:37,470 --> 00:43:40,500 And the only way that Chris felt like he could succeed. 663 00:43:41,009 --> 00:43:43,160 Sonia Meza-Leon: I mean, don't you think that still exists in 664 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,520 the world of wrestling though? 665 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:44,940 I think it 666 00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:45,810 Brittney Sherman: definitely does. 667 00:43:45,810 --> 00:43:49,950 I think that there are other wrestling companies out there. 668 00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:51,420 Absolutely. 669 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:52,529 That still do it. 670 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,180 I think that. 671 00:43:55,020 --> 00:43:57,960 I think that WWE tries to do the right thing. 672 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,950 I think that they say the right things, but whether or not they're 673 00:44:01,950 --> 00:44:05,520 actually doing the right things, it's hard to tell here, I'm going to 674 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:05,880 Sonia Meza-Leon: ask you this. 675 00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:08,550 What do you, what do you think about Vince McMahon as a 676 00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:09,000 Brittney Sherman: person? 677 00:44:09,240 --> 00:44:14,970 Uh, as a, as an individual person or as a businessman, those are, 678 00:44:15,060 --> 00:44:16,740 they are, that's why I'm asking. 679 00:44:17,850 --> 00:44:23,580 Um, it's hard to say because they're different, but they're also kind of the 680 00:44:23,580 --> 00:44:29,310 same because he's business as business ethics drive his personal ethics. 681 00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:34,410 And if it's right for his business, it will compromise his personal ethics. 682 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,280 But I think it's sort of verse 683 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:40,260 Sonia Meza-Leon: two, I think more so your bill, your personal 684 00:44:40,260 --> 00:44:41,460 ethics should drive your business. 685 00:44:41,460 --> 00:44:43,560 They should, but I don't think they shouldn't 686 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,630 Brittney Sherman: change because their money, I agree. 687 00:44:45,630 --> 00:44:47,310 They shouldn't change because of money. 688 00:44:47,670 --> 00:44:50,790 But I think with a lot of shrewd businessmen, and I'm not saying that 689 00:44:50,820 --> 00:44:52,980 in women, and I'm not saying this. 690 00:44:54,990 --> 00:44:56,730 To protect them or support them. 691 00:44:56,970 --> 00:44:58,830 I don't think that's the way that it works. 692 00:44:59,610 --> 00:45:01,250 Uh, you mean hit for him or him. 693 00:45:01,410 --> 00:45:05,280 And I think a lot of people, I don't think he's unique in that situation. 694 00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,640 I think there are a lot of business people that operate that way. 695 00:45:09,150 --> 00:45:14,490 Sonia Meza-Leon: I guess I would just say that in his business, he's in the 696 00:45:14,490 --> 00:45:17,310 business of exploitation of people. 697 00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:22,350 And so I guess maybe by nature, that is the case. 698 00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:29,520 I mean, it's, uh, he, he at times will exploit his himself to help prophets. 699 00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:30,090 Brittney Sherman: Yeah. 700 00:45:30,090 --> 00:45:33,840 I was just going to say, it's, it's his people, but he'll do it himself too. 701 00:45:33,900 --> 00:45:36,510 He will put himself out there for better or worse. 702 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:37,140 Yeah. 703 00:45:37,140 --> 00:45:40,110 Sonia Meza-Leon: He's very much, uh, um, uh, you know, he's, he's 704 00:45:40,140 --> 00:45:42,510 very visible in that industry. 705 00:45:42,900 --> 00:45:46,230 Um, and as part of what he does, I mean, he's, he's one of the characters. 706 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:47,280 Brittney Sherman: He is a character. 707 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:47,520 Yeah. 708 00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,300 He, uh, he was one of their biggest characters for a few years. 709 00:45:52,065 --> 00:45:52,215 That's 710 00:45:52,215 --> 00:45:52,725 Sonia Meza-Leon: crazy. 711 00:45:52,725 --> 00:45:53,835 That's so sad. 712 00:45:53,835 --> 00:45:56,865 I don't understand why you would, what was, so go back. 713 00:45:56,865 --> 00:45:58,845 How the boy was seven. 714 00:45:59,115 --> 00:45:59,475 How did he 715 00:45:59,475 --> 00:45:59,955 Brittney Sherman: die? 716 00:46:00,315 --> 00:46:02,775 Uh, the, he was, oh, good question. 717 00:46:03,435 --> 00:46:10,425 Uh, he was heavily drugged with Zabbix and suffocated most likely with a pillow. 718 00:46:11,655 --> 00:46:12,105 Oh, 719 00:46:12,615 --> 00:46:13,335 Sonia Meza-Leon: really? 720 00:46:13,395 --> 00:46:13,785 Yes. 721 00:46:14,955 --> 00:46:16,785 So he had the die at the hands of his 722 00:46:16,785 --> 00:46:17,235 Brittney Sherman: father? 723 00:46:17,485 --> 00:46:17,685 Yeah. 724 00:46:17,715 --> 00:46:18,015 No. 725 00:46:18,195 --> 00:46:19,185 And that's the thing. 726 00:46:19,335 --> 00:46:21,615 So Nancy was killed on Friday night. 727 00:46:22,035 --> 00:46:27,255 Daniel is most, most likely killed on Saturday morning. 728 00:46:28,215 --> 00:46:34,365 And Chris stayed in the house until probably mid morning, 729 00:46:35,025 --> 00:46:37,665 Sunday until he killed himself. 730 00:46:39,585 --> 00:46:40,305 Sonia Meza-Leon: That's crazy. 731 00:46:40,305 --> 00:46:41,925 So what the heck was he? 732 00:46:41,955 --> 00:46:44,685 I mean, he must've been in some kind of state of mind. 733 00:46:44,925 --> 00:46:46,365 Can you imagine what he was like walking 734 00:46:46,365 --> 00:46:47,115 Brittney Sherman: around his house? 735 00:46:47,145 --> 00:46:48,015 He exactly. 736 00:46:48,105 --> 00:46:53,265 I, uh, I just, I can't, I mean, I can only imagine some sort of psychosis, like 737 00:46:53,265 --> 00:46:57,825 I CA I can't imagine any other way that you could be, and he's, you know, leaving 738 00:46:57,855 --> 00:47:05,025 voicemails and, and sending text messages, but, you know, he, even, he even talked on 739 00:47:05,025 --> 00:47:07,035 the phone though, to a couple of people. 740 00:47:07,635 --> 00:47:11,565 I, you know, they, they, they claim that he sounded like he was in distress. 741 00:47:11,835 --> 00:47:19,665 Like you was, you know, disturbed, but I just, I can't, I can't imagine what 742 00:47:19,665 --> 00:47:27,045 the, for over 24 hours, he walked around the house with his dead wife and son. 743 00:47:29,325 --> 00:47:29,805 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 744 00:47:30,195 --> 00:47:31,185 I mean, what happened? 745 00:47:31,245 --> 00:47:34,425 I mean, he killed his wife, obviously. 746 00:47:34,425 --> 00:47:36,135 And then what on Friday night? 747 00:47:36,135 --> 00:47:41,955 And then he probably realized that by Saturday morning, his son would find 748 00:47:41,955 --> 00:47:46,935 out that his wife was no longer living and he didn't really have a choice. 749 00:47:47,755 --> 00:47:48,345 Brittney Sherman: So. 750 00:47:49,230 --> 00:47:51,630 He probably felt like my son's going to find out. 751 00:47:51,630 --> 00:47:54,810 And I either turned myself in and he probably wasn't the right state 752 00:47:54,810 --> 00:48:00,030 of mind and did what he, the worst possible took the worst possible route. 753 00:48:00,930 --> 00:48:05,870 Um, it's just, it's, it's so sad. 754 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:07,950 And you want to, you know, you want to talk about Vince McMahon 755 00:48:07,950 --> 00:48:10,530 and, and how he exploits them. 756 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:14,820 Chris had an older son, David from, from a previous marriage, 757 00:48:14,820 --> 00:48:22,740 as I mentioned, WWE did not once reach out to David to support him. 758 00:48:22,980 --> 00:48:26,220 They did not reach out to Nancy's family to support them. 759 00:48:27,330 --> 00:48:36,960 And it wasn't until last year, 2000, 19, 12 years after the horrific 760 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:40,380 events that David and Nancy. 761 00:48:42,060 --> 00:48:44,580 Got together again for the very first time. 762 00:48:44,879 --> 00:48:49,259 And that was at the behest of Chris Jericho who arranged for the two 763 00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:51,120 of them to meet and get together. 764 00:48:53,850 --> 00:48:54,720 Sonia Meza-Leon: That's terrible. 765 00:48:54,750 --> 00:48:55,980 That is a horrible story. 766 00:48:56,009 --> 00:48:56,339 No, 767 00:48:56,399 --> 00:48:57,480 Brittney Sherman: it's thank you, Brittany. 768 00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:58,379 I'm sorry. 769 00:48:58,379 --> 00:49:00,450 I brought you down, but you brought me down. 770 00:49:00,839 --> 00:49:00,960 It's 771 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:01,500 Sonia Meza-Leon: okay. 772 00:49:02,609 --> 00:49:04,319 Yeah, no, I pay it's. 773 00:49:04,350 --> 00:49:04,980 No, I know. 774 00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:07,500 I mean, it's hard to talk about these subjects are 775 00:49:07,500 --> 00:49:08,040 Brittney Sherman: lighthearted. 776 00:49:08,399 --> 00:49:09,210 No, they're not at all. 777 00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:14,069 It's it's really tragic, uh, you know, to, to cover my sources. 778 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:22,410 Um, vice TV day, a a docu series called the dark side of the ring and they did 779 00:49:22,410 --> 00:49:28,350 a two-part episode specific to Crispin wall, the, uh, the podcast, something 780 00:49:28,350 --> 00:49:33,660 to wrestle with Bruce Prichard, a sports illustrated article, like a pedia. 781 00:49:34,379 --> 00:49:39,255 Um, there's I, uh, What's happened in 2007. 782 00:49:39,255 --> 00:49:41,595 So I've read a lot and watched a lot since that time. 783 00:49:41,595 --> 00:49:45,255 But these are the ones that I particularly recently focused on that that kind of 784 00:49:45,285 --> 00:49:47,205 gave me the most fresh information. 785 00:49:48,194 --> 00:49:50,265 Sonia Meza-Leon: Do you feel, do you guys, do you feel like that? 786 00:49:50,265 --> 00:49:54,464 Um, I mean, I'd like to think that the WWE, as well as the NFL 787 00:49:54,464 --> 00:49:59,384 is taking, you know, head trauma seriously, um, you feel like, cause 788 00:49:59,384 --> 00:50:00,585 you still watch wrestling, I think. 789 00:50:00,615 --> 00:50:02,625 Do you feel like that there's some progress there? 790 00:50:02,625 --> 00:50:04,065 I mean, cause they don't wear any protection. 791 00:50:04,785 --> 00:50:06,495 Brittney Sherman: Just like I said, you know, they got rid of 792 00:50:06,525 --> 00:50:12,285 chair shots, they got rid of a head to head or head first impact. 793 00:50:12,705 --> 00:50:19,185 They, I think have gotten rid of blood or intentional bleeding sometimes 794 00:50:19,185 --> 00:50:20,714 that happens just on accident. 795 00:50:20,714 --> 00:50:24,495 But most of the times when we see blood in wrestling, it's intentional. 796 00:50:24,915 --> 00:50:26,295 Uh, so I think that's out loud. 797 00:50:26,295 --> 00:50:27,615 So I think they are taking those. 798 00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:29,760 I think they are taking them seriously. 799 00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:34,440 Uh, their, their drug policy has gotten much more stringent 800 00:50:34,860 --> 00:50:40,830 and most of these things are a direct result of crisp and law. 801 00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:42,990 And they might not tell you that it was direct. 802 00:50:43,260 --> 00:50:46,740 They might tell you that it was, those were policies that were in 803 00:50:46,740 --> 00:50:50,940 place, but they were just very lax and became more stringent, but most 804 00:50:50,940 --> 00:50:54,270 people will tell you it's directly because of the Crispin wall murders. 805 00:50:57,180 --> 00:50:57,510 Hmm. 806 00:50:57,900 --> 00:51:00,060 Sonia Meza-Leon: So back to the drugs. 807 00:51:00,870 --> 00:51:03,720 Do, do you mean like illegal drugs or? 808 00:51:03,780 --> 00:51:05,400 Well, I mean, I guess I could still be steroids. 809 00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:07,380 What kind of drugs are they testing for? 810 00:51:07,380 --> 00:51:07,740 What? 811 00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,460 I mean, I would say that most of those folks should probably be smoking 812 00:51:11,460 --> 00:51:15,360 marijuana because they're probably like what, what kind of drugs are you? 813 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:17,610 Brittney Sherman: Are, is there, are there specific or just time. 814 00:51:18,915 --> 00:51:23,384 I don't know, I don't, I haven't read their drug policy. 815 00:51:23,384 --> 00:51:27,075 I don't even know if it's available to be read, but if you hear people 816 00:51:27,075 --> 00:51:28,814 talk about it, it's pretty stringent. 817 00:51:28,995 --> 00:51:30,645 Marijuana is on that list. 818 00:51:30,645 --> 00:51:32,745 Steroids are definitely on that list. 819 00:51:33,134 --> 00:51:39,674 Uh, anything that could be even considered a slight performance enhancing 820 00:51:39,674 --> 00:51:45,794 drug or illegal drug, uh, cocaine, I think painkillers are all allowed, 821 00:51:46,305 --> 00:51:47,865 assuming that they're prescribed. 822 00:51:48,345 --> 00:51:51,794 I would hope to God that they're allowed because the amount of damage those bodies 823 00:51:51,794 --> 00:51:55,125 go through, I can't imagine why they wouldn't be allowed, but I have really no 824 00:51:55,125 --> 00:51:56,774 idea, but I've heard it's very stringent. 825 00:51:58,395 --> 00:51:59,955 Sonia Meza-Leon: That's crazy about pot because, 826 00:52:00,975 --> 00:52:03,674 Brittney Sherman: well, but hang on a second, but also hanging 827 00:52:03,674 --> 00:52:05,535 out in the second they are. 828 00:52:06,495 --> 00:52:10,785 I think they're incorporated, I think in Connecticut, that's where 829 00:52:10,785 --> 00:52:14,564 their headquarters are, but they. 830 00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:18,120 A national and even global company. 831 00:52:18,150 --> 00:52:22,860 So they're on the road except for right now all the time. 832 00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:26,520 So you're going potentially from one state to the next to the next night, after night 833 00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,370 after night, it pot's legal in one state. 834 00:52:29,430 --> 00:52:30,660 It's illegal the next day. 835 00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:33,570 You kind of have to have a knock across the board policy. 836 00:52:34,020 --> 00:52:34,710 I would think. 837 00:52:36,180 --> 00:52:38,430 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah, I guess I just think it's kind of silly. 838 00:52:38,430 --> 00:52:43,800 I mean, and by the way, anybody who says that pod is a performance enhancing 839 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:49,860 drug has, cause it's not enhancing when Michael Phelps got in trouble for pot. 840 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,985 I was like, this is like, It did not. 841 00:52:53,985 --> 00:52:56,895 I mean, seriously, like you, he would be so much faster if 842 00:52:56,895 --> 00:52:58,365 he smoked or he didn't smoke. 843 00:52:58,365 --> 00:53:01,305 So God bless him, you know, like actually maybe gave those 844 00:53:01,305 --> 00:53:03,135 other guys a fighting chance. 845 00:53:03,135 --> 00:53:04,485 I mean, I think it's just silly. 846 00:53:04,995 --> 00:53:08,355 Um, I think that there's something about the NFL policy that's changing 847 00:53:08,415 --> 00:53:11,685 now and being able to use cannabis, or maybe they're using CBD. 848 00:53:11,865 --> 00:53:12,915 Something has to change. 849 00:53:12,945 --> 00:53:15,735 I mean, these guys, well, I think CBD is talking about 850 00:53:15,735 --> 00:53:17,295 Brittney Sherman: getting hooked on narcotics. 851 00:53:17,895 --> 00:53:23,865 Well, CBD is legal in the entire country, but there are going to be 852 00:53:23,865 --> 00:53:26,925 a lot of people that are going to tell you that CBD and other narcotics 853 00:53:26,925 --> 00:53:28,665 are not on the same playing field. 854 00:53:29,865 --> 00:53:30,975 Sonia Meza-Leon: They aren't CBD. 855 00:53:30,975 --> 00:53:33,615 Doesn't have any kind of hallucinogenic qualities at all. 856 00:53:33,615 --> 00:53:33,855 It's 857 00:53:33,855 --> 00:53:35,145 Brittney Sherman: really just CBD also. 858 00:53:35,175 --> 00:53:39,825 So does not provide largely the same relief. 859 00:53:40,845 --> 00:53:42,255 Sonia Meza-Leon: Oh, are you saying that it does? 860 00:53:42,375 --> 00:53:45,975 Uh, well maybe, I guess you mean, you're saying that CBD doesn't 861 00:53:45,975 --> 00:53:47,055 provide the same relief that 862 00:53:47,055 --> 00:53:48,135 Brittney Sherman: TB, the THC does? 863 00:53:48,135 --> 00:53:51,435 No, I'm saying CBD doesn't from a pain standpoint, no pain. 864 00:53:52,380 --> 00:53:54,090 Um, THC doesn't touch pain. 865 00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:58,950 I'm saying THC doesn't touch pain at the level that an oxycodone does. 866 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:01,500 Sonia Meza-Leon: No, of course. 867 00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:06,150 Brittney Sherman: Oh my God, that you can't, you can't say that you can take 868 00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:10,050 CBD over other prescription narcotics. 869 00:54:10,110 --> 00:54:11,010 They're not the same. 870 00:54:11,010 --> 00:54:12,180 They don't do the same thing. 871 00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:14,580 Sonia Meza-Leon: No, no, no. 872 00:54:14,580 --> 00:54:15,570 I would agree with you. 873 00:54:15,570 --> 00:54:19,110 I mean, certainly beyond a certain point CBD or THC is not going to help. 874 00:54:20,610 --> 00:54:25,110 Yeah, yeah, no it's but if it can, I mean, if it can help a bit, I would say, you 875 00:54:25,110 --> 00:54:32,880 know, I mean, I considered marijuana to be effective for pain between anything 876 00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:38,490 more than a Tylenol can take care of, but less than like, you know, a Vicodin, like 877 00:54:38,490 --> 00:54:41,850 there's like a tiny little sweet spot where it's like, just enough, think if 878 00:54:41,850 --> 00:54:42,600 Brittney Sherman: you get a strong enough. 879 00:54:42,620 --> 00:54:42,780 Yeah. 880 00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:42,930 Yeah. 881 00:54:42,930 --> 00:54:43,800 I think that's probably true. 882 00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:44,520 Yeah. 883 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:45,660 If you get a strong enough, you know, 884 00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:46,980 Sonia Meza-Leon: Yeah. 885 00:54:47,130 --> 00:54:49,800 I mean, some of that stuff is pretty, pretty hard, but it's 886 00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:50,220 Brittney Sherman: true. 887 00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:56,700 So, uh, well that was very interesting little conspiracy theory to wrap this up. 888 00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,920 Oh, as you were talking about is how is it possible that the WWE didn't 889 00:55:01,980 --> 00:55:10,980 know about these events beforehand the night between Daniel's murder and 890 00:55:10,980 --> 00:55:18,300 Chris's suicide Wikipedia reported that Crispin wall was going to be replaced 891 00:55:18,300 --> 00:55:24,450 in his championship match with John Morrison because of an illness in the 892 00:55:24,450 --> 00:55:26,820 family that hadn't been reported yet. 893 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:36,270 Also that night, that post was deleted by Wikipedia and then a, another post came 894 00:55:36,270 --> 00:55:40,620 up, reporting the deaths of his family. 895 00:55:41,610 --> 00:55:43,050 That first post came from. 896 00:55:44,265 --> 00:55:45,645 Stanford Connecticut. 897 00:55:46,755 --> 00:55:49,125 The home of the WWE headquarters. 898 00:55:49,905 --> 00:55:55,185 The second post came from somewhere in Australia, both posts were flagged and 899 00:55:55,185 --> 00:56:01,425 deleted by Wikipedia for not meeting their standards of qualification. 900 00:56:02,595 --> 00:56:05,595 Of course, there's a question of how did those posts ever make it up 901 00:56:05,595 --> 00:56:07,995 there and you can still see them? 902 00:56:07,995 --> 00:56:13,845 I think because, uh, you can do like a historical edit or historical read 903 00:56:13,845 --> 00:56:15,705 or something of Wikipedia posts. 904 00:56:17,775 --> 00:56:18,105 Hmm. 905 00:56:19,725 --> 00:56:21,975 Sonia Meza-Leon: I mean, I, I would not be surprised at the 906 00:56:21,975 --> 00:56:23,775 Brittney Sherman: WWE new it's. 907 00:56:23,775 --> 00:56:31,125 Um, you know, it's hard to imagine that they didn't know if they knew some it's 908 00:56:31,125 --> 00:56:34,755 hard to imagine that they would move forward with a tribute show if they did. 909 00:56:35,850 --> 00:56:38,340 Sonia Meza-Leon: I know, think about what that meant, you know, think 910 00:56:38,340 --> 00:56:40,170 about, think about their priorities. 911 00:56:40,170 --> 00:56:44,280 And, but I mean, here, what I don't understand is how would they not know? 912 00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,260 They knew that he hung himself. 913 00:56:46,410 --> 00:56:49,710 They, they claim that he knew the other two knew that they knew that 914 00:56:49,710 --> 00:56:53,460 other two other people died in the house, unless someone else came in 915 00:56:53,460 --> 00:56:55,050 and killed those other two people. 916 00:56:55,170 --> 00:56:56,610 I mean, crystal, you know what I mean? 917 00:56:56,610 --> 00:56:56,790 Like, 918 00:56:56,820 --> 00:57:00,480 Brittney Sherman: I don't know that they, they claim they did not know 919 00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:05,400 that he hung himself and it's possible that it was a triple homicide. 920 00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:08,940 Sonia Meza-Leon: Oh, Hmm. 921 00:57:08,970 --> 00:57:09,690 Interesting. 922 00:57:10,290 --> 00:57:11,990 I'm going to go read Wikipedia right now. 923 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:14,550 All right. 924 00:57:14,610 --> 00:57:15,210 Interesting. 925 00:57:15,210 --> 00:57:15,930 That was a good one. 926 00:57:15,930 --> 00:57:22,410 Brittney Sherman: Britain is tragic story of the murders of Nancy and Daniel 927 00:57:22,410 --> 00:57:25,140 Benwah and the suicide of Crispin wall. 928 00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:27,930 Sonia Meza-Leon: Hmm. 929 00:57:28,110 --> 00:57:28,350 That 930 00:57:28,350 --> 00:57:29,070 Brittney Sherman: was sad. 931 00:57:29,850 --> 00:57:30,540 But I'm planning. 932 00:57:30,540 --> 00:57:31,020 I got you. 933 00:57:31,020 --> 00:57:33,450 One that you are not familiar with. 934 00:57:35,175 --> 00:57:37,185 Sonia Meza-Leon: I knew a little bit about it, but I didn't 935 00:57:37,185 --> 00:57:38,445 follow wrestling that much. 936 00:57:38,865 --> 00:57:42,315 Um, but I mean, I knew it was a sad situation. 937 00:57:42,345 --> 00:57:47,115 I didn't know the extent, um, about, you know, the conditions of his wife and 938 00:57:47,115 --> 00:57:48,885 then his little boy, that's just really 939 00:57:48,885 --> 00:57:49,395 Brittney Sherman: sad. 940 00:57:49,545 --> 00:57:50,595 It's horrible. 941 00:57:50,775 --> 00:57:51,045 And 942 00:57:51,885 --> 00:57:54,225 Sonia Meza-Leon: I mean, I think that what you said too, you know, back 943 00:57:54,225 --> 00:57:58,515 to the, the brain damage, um, you know, we have to take that seriously 944 00:57:58,565 --> 00:58:02,955 and I'm glad that there was evidence showing, you know, that, that there 945 00:58:02,955 --> 00:58:04,605 was something behind his actions. 946 00:58:04,665 --> 00:58:05,355 Absolutely. 947 00:58:05,475 --> 00:58:06,045 I agree. 948 00:58:06,225 --> 00:58:07,785 We'd love to hear from you guys as well. 949 00:58:07,935 --> 00:58:11,055 You know, if you have suggestions or you want to hear us talk about certain things, 950 00:58:11,235 --> 00:58:11,975 Brittney Sherman: feel free to share. 951 00:58:12,225 --> 00:58:17,385 You know, some of the things that we find particularly important is to support other 952 00:58:17,385 --> 00:58:24,015 independent podcasters and in a way to branch out and connect with others and 953 00:58:24,015 --> 00:58:26,295 support the independent podcast community. 954 00:58:26,655 --> 00:58:30,705 Uh, we have a couple, uh, little shout outs that we want to provide. 955 00:58:32,775 --> 00:58:33,795 So I have a couple 956 00:58:33,795 --> 00:58:35,715 Sonia Meza-Leon: of shout outs that I would love to do some 957 00:58:35,715 --> 00:58:38,745 folks that I've worked with in the past and had communication with. 958 00:58:38,745 --> 00:58:40,335 And I find quite lovely. 959 00:58:40,695 --> 00:58:44,805 Um, the first would be, um, music city, 9 1, 1 Brandon Hall. 960 00:58:45,225 --> 00:58:46,785 You guys should take a listen. 961 00:58:46,845 --> 00:58:53,115 I, um, I he's a 9 1, 1 dispatcher from Nashville, Tennessee, very entertaining. 962 00:58:53,115 --> 00:58:57,045 I love his approach and I cannot stop listening to his voice. 963 00:58:57,495 --> 00:59:01,875 And the other podcast that I'd like to give a shout out to his meanwhile at the 964 00:59:01,875 --> 00:59:07,425 studio, it's going guys in my hometown, you know, who created a podcast, um, 965 00:59:07,485 --> 00:59:10,305 environment in a recording studio there. 966 00:59:10,545 --> 00:59:11,955 And, um, they're doing really great. 967 00:59:11,955 --> 00:59:16,335 So I did some, I sat in with them a couple of times and we had some fun. 968 00:59:16,335 --> 00:59:18,795 So please take a listen to their trailer as well. 969 00:59:18,825 --> 00:59:19,695 Meanwhile, at the station. 970 00:59:21,420 --> 00:59:26,040 Brittney Sherman: Check out a couple other podcasters that support us and 971 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,110 we want to give them some support. 972 00:59:33,210 --> 00:59:35,640 Hey fellow Scarlet, true crime listeners. 973 00:59:36,060 --> 00:59:41,550 I'm CC the host of a new true crime podcast, sooner state, true crime as 974 00:59:41,550 --> 00:59:45,420 a born and bred Oki I'll cover cases based in my wonderful home state of 975 00:59:45,420 --> 00:59:49,770 Oklahoma, the term sooner actually refers to cheaters in the land run. 976 00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:51,990 My state's very first true crime. 977 00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:56,340 New episodes are released twice a month in 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