Hello, hello, and welcome to the Borealis

experience. I'm your host Aurora, and I'm so happy to be

sharing this interview with you today. I was in a conversation

with David Lee, a friend of mine. And yeah, we talk about

feminism, we talk about the importance of fighting fair

importance of communicating, expressing yourself, honestly,

and not making the assumptions that the other person knows you

enough already or can read you enjoy this very raw and fun

interview. And, yeah, take good care of yourself. I was trying

to think of a good story that had a good ending. That was also

fun for the listeners to hear. So Oh, so

this is Valentine's Day. I'm living in Roanoke, which if you

haven't heard of Roanoke is probably a good reason. It's a

small town in southwestern Virginia. Yeah. And so I was in

school at the time, I didn't have a whole lot of money. And

the person I was dating didn't either. And so I said, Okay,

here's what we're gonna do. We're gonna have Valentine's

Day, but we're not going to spend more than I think it was,

like $5 on each other. Yeah. And she goes, Okay, okay, great. And

so, and I planned this out, I was in school at the time, and

she was working down at the hospital. And so went to the

dollar store, and I got like a 15 pack of red balloons, giant

red balloons, right? Yeah. And I went out to her for work. And I

found her car in the parking lot. And I blew up all these

balloons, big, you know, one foot diameter balloons and taped

them all over her car. And I'd also made a Valentine's Day card

with pictures and cartoons of her and me and my dog, you know,

and all that other stuff, and decorated all up and stuck it on

her windshield, and then went home. And I just waited to see

what was gonna happen, right.

And then later on, I heard the story. She said she was in work,

and all of her co workers were talking. And she was up. She's

like, what's going on? They're like, well, I don't know what

happened. But there's this car at the parking lot with these

balloons all over it. And she thought that was so funny. And

so then, end of work comes around and she goes out, and

she's walking towards her car. And she's like, Oh, yeah,

there's that car with the balloons. And then she's going,

Oh,

wait, I think that's my car.

got there. And sure enough, she saw the balloons pasted all over

it. And she got so embarrassed. It was so much fun, though. But

she really appreciated that and got the card. And it was just a

really good time. Yeah. That's such a cool, she loved it. Yes.

Well, that's, that's absolute something that you should be

doing in a relationship and surprise your partner, and just

do something that comes from the heart.

Yeah, very Yeah, that was a good time. And I didn't spend a lot

of money, which was good, too. Not that I'm cheap. But just I

didn't have any money at the time. I was kind of broke. Yeah,

you don't need tons of money to impress your Valentine or the

person you care about. Right? Like you can be creative.

Yeah, totally. So we both read books on boundaries. You read

two books, actually. Right? You read the boundaries book, and

then the boundaries in relationship book.

Well, I haven't gotten started on the boundaries and dating

book yet, but I do.

Okay, okay. So what have you learned in your past

relationships? About boundaries? Are you really good with

boundaries? Or were your partners good with it? Or both?

Who are not good at it? What are your experiences with that?

Well, I think there are some areas that I'm good at and

scenarios that I'm not good at. One thing I can do is I can get

on a certain topic, and stay on topic, especially if it's one

that I like, like, you know, planes. And sometimes I tend to

talk too much about them.

And so I have to learn when the call it quits. And sometimes

it's hard to tell if, if the person is actually interested or

if I'm just, you know, talking about my own interests rather

than theirs. Mm hmm. Okay. Okay. So it would be like a balance in

the conversation

that you have to find out okay, is is that person into it or

not? Can I continue to talk and or not?

Yes, totally. And I think a lot of that too, comes down to

just conversation and clarify.

I know after a while you learn to say, okay, so if I'm going

too long, you let me know. Because a lot of times I find

people say, Well, if he doesn't know that I'm not gonna tell

him. I've heard that a lot. And the thing is, sometimes as a guy

and me in particular, sometimes I'm just oblivious. So I would

rather you tell me up front, hey, look, this is what I feel

about this, or don't do this, you know, when I'm doing this,

whatever. And just let me know.

And we had a lot of times, it's just going to be a blunt, David,

your story's gone too long. Let's move on, then I can say,

Oh, good, you know, rather than dropping me hints, like kicking

me under the table, or, you know, pinching my arm or

whatever.

Okay. And do you think is, like from the other person said that

they don't trust that you weren't react? Well, or? They

don't have that kind of? Yeah, the tools to communicate what

they want to

communicate to you? Like, why is it that some people are so shy

to say when they don't like something?

Yeah, and I've noticed that some people are and some people are

very blunt. And I think the sinus probably comes from social

norms. Yeah, from trying to be polite in society and not

wanting to step on toes. Yeah. But if it goes too far, then you

have a situation that you just described there that the person

confronts you with a conclusion or

just leaves? Because she or he doesn't trust that you would

understand or they don't want, like they'd rather leave,

instead of having a little bit of an uncomfortable

conversation.

Is that, is that what you experienced?

Yeah, I think that resonates really well. And I think

particularly in today's day and time,

a lot of the advice given is just to give up and move on.

Because you know, the old adage, there's more fish in the sea.

But I mean, our parents generation, and their parents

before them, they didn't have that choice. It was basically,

you work it out. You fix the relationship. And I've heard

grahamcooke talk on this. He says that, that in relationship,

he said in anything, you don't have movement, or advancement

unless you have tension. Like when you're lifting weights, you

got tension in your arms, and you actually break down the

muscles. But breaking down the muscles makes them actually

stronger when they build back up. And it's the same in a

relationship is that yes, you are going to have tension, but

that tension builds the deepness of, of the relationship. Yeah.

And so it's expected and you just work through it. That's so

beautifully said. And I mean, what I experienced with that

stuff, you should record this, you should totally record this.

Well, that's, let's make sure that we put this out there

because people will love to hear it.

Yeah, I pressed the button on. Yeah, I totally agree.

Yeah, I experienced that I made or observed in my parents and

grandparents is, in that generation, a lot of people

endured stuff. So

my dad was always talking about what my mom was more of the

listener, the observer. And yeah, she suppressed a lot of

her thoughts and her feelings. And I feel my generation now is

sick and tired of suppressing.

And we leave situations where we feel uncomfortable. But that's

not the solution. Either. We have to learn how to say no, and

how to say, this is not what I like, this is not comfortable

for me, and then wait and see what comes from the other side.

Like we have to trust that the other person wants to adapt and

maybe compromise a little bit. And we also have to have that

willingness to have that little bit of uncomfortable

conversation. But a few A lot of us, like you said, are just

checking out. And yeah, exploring more fish in the sea.

And that doesn't create depth that just creates a society of

Yeah, shallowness and superficial

relationships, and that's not good.

Yeah, I totally I totally agree. I mean, it's creative people.

Who are just runners? And they'll run from relationship to

relationship until they find the one person who suits our needs

and checks all their boxes, which honestly, they're never

going to find, because nobody's like that. Yeah, the truth is

you grow in relationships. I mean, I mean, I've been in

relationships before to where, where I've just been a but

that happens, and you'll get arguments. But that what said,

What do you mean was I've just been a bat?

Oh, where, where I'm just

where I'm just headstrong. And I'm just not polite to be

around. You know, I'm not going to get into those stories on

this podcast, but maybe later

if we wanted to, but what I what I learned?

that you do. So what I've learned is that

even when you're in an argument, the truth is that you and the

other person are a team. And even in the midst of it, and

after you come out of it, you're still going to be on the same

team. So yes, there might be tension and difficulty. And you

might get hurt and hurt the other person and cry, but but in

the end, you're still a team, and you got to work together.

Yes, yes. And this is what you have to trust. You have to trust

that little bit of tension as good. That

same, like not being on the same page all the time is okay, too.

Because it opens up your mind and it challenges your beliefs.

And, yeah, you have to trust that you're both on a team and

that you're having that argument to sort things out and to then

have a deeper and better relationship. And I think with

me, it was always the case that I didn't trust that I didn't

want maybe that depth.

And I was scared of not being understood. So I'd rather run

away or feel suppressed. And that's absolutely not the

solution like this is when resentment builds, and the

relationship is starting to fall apart.

So what do you do when you feel like you're not being

understood?

I

try to catch a moment where I know the other person is like,

relaxed and a good place. And I will ask again, or reformulate

what I was meant to say. So I had an instance here, where I

had an interview, and I felt like I was not doing a good job.

And afterwards I received a comment.

Well, yeah, you were laughing hysterically. And it sounded

pretty silly. And I just blew up.

I just blew up a fuse, because I felt shitty already. And then a

person tells me Oh, yeah, and by the way, it was silly. On top of

it.

I totally blew up. And but the person didn't understand why

because I didn't see that I was frustrated and sad. So I'm also

one to not really show how I feel.

And then just made that silly comment. And then I blew up. And

instead of blowing up, I should have just said, Hey, you know

what, like, I felt really bad about my interview already. And

your comment really makes me feel worse. And just to say how

I feel, to put it into words, works wonders. And I didn't know

that before I found to be heard. I have to be aggressive, I have

to shut people out or avoid them and to kind of punish them with

the silent treatment or so.

But not to found out and to find out now that I can actually say

no, this is how you made me feel and it felt really bad.

And then to see the person be like, Oh, no, I'm sorry, that

was not my intention. Like I'm you're on your team is it

dissolves all the anger, all the sadness in seconds.

And I don't know if you had situations like that, where you

just simply communicate it and it dissolved a situation but I

think we totally underestimate the power of kind words and just

genuine expression of how

We feel

Yeah, totally. And I kind of grew up with that same kind of

belief that if you want to be heard, if you get angry, you

need to use your voice and yell and that kind of thing. But

later on, I learned, you know, that's not really beneficial.

And sometimes you get a lot more done with kind words I was I was

had gone through Stephen Covey's Seven Habits of Highly Effective

People. And the great habits, one of which is seek first to

understand then to be understood. And he talks about

how you talk in conversation about how, if there's an issue,

you don't just go to the person and say, Look, I have a problem

with this. And this, and I'm angry. Because of this, you

start first saying, Okay, now, there is a problem here, I want

to hear your view, first, tell me what's going on.

And then once they tell you, when you start to open up and

talk about it, then you can say, Okay,

this is how I felt about it. And this was my response. And then I

think that's what really gets the conversation going. But just

to understand the other person, before you interject what your

own personal view is on the topic, can clear up a whole lot

of stuff right off the bat.

Wow, yeah, and see, those are the tools that we need out

there. This is, like, for me, such a precious conversation

we're having because

I was, yeah, like you, I didn't have these tools. And then you

just need to read it sometimes in a good book, or experience it

with a friend, that there is other ways to communicate and to

get people to listen to you and understand you. And like you

just said, the minute the second, the person in front of

you knows that you want to hear them out first. That's when they

open up and they kind of become soft and open to receive your

message as well. And

it's such a beautiful, yeah, way to connect, and the only way to

rehab a romantic relationship.

Yet we are all a little shy when it comes to expressing our

feelings. But a few more more people want to go down that path

and see that this is this is the way to go to connect and feel

fulfilled.

I agree. I mean, it's so true. Like, what you're saying is,

people I think oftentimes are afraid to reveal the real self,

to reveal how they truly feel because it makes you vulnerable.

You know, and it leaves you open to I don't know, whatever you

want to call it and judgment or

just

seeming to be what's the word for it?

I guess just open and vulnerable. But the truth is

that, I mean, I went through a period in time where I was very

reserved. And I felt if people got to know the real me, they

wouldn't like it. And I had a guy say to me says, Well, if you

do that your whole life, then then how do you really connect?

How do you tell people who you really are, he says you need to

get that out there. And you know, it's okay to be sad or

lonely or to cry or whatever. But in that connection, you get

to know them on a personal basis, and they get to know you.

And that's a lot better than just being reserved and closed

off to people all the time. Totally. Yeah. And the moment

you allow yourself to be open and soft.

The other person will do the same, maybe not at the same

pace. But they will know oh, I can actually trust that person.

I can open up to them because they have done it already.

So it builds trust and intimacy and, and you for your part, you

find out pretty quickly, oh, can that person handle my true self?

Or can they not? And if they can, yeah, then it makes you

fall in love even more with them. And if they can't, then

you know, but you can't

stop doing it. Just because they don't respond well. You have to

stay true to yourself. And just know that you're not the cup of

tea or that other personnel, but don't change and don't start to

suppress again and

put a mask on right it's it's a tricky, tricky situation to be

in. If you've been closed up for a long time. I can see how that

was maybe hard for you at the beginning.

But if you had a good partner and had a good experience

You know, now that it's totally worth it?

Yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, it's a lot better to be known than to just be in your

own shell. It's funny, you say cup of tea too, because I got my

real gray right here, and so good.

Very classy as usual, David. Awesome.

Thank you. Thank you. Very good, very good. Is there

other things that you've learned in the last couple of years in

the last decade about communicating

in a relationship that you would like to share with? My gosh,

well, I do have an engineering background. So I do have that

very logical mind. You know,

sometimes that's tough for me to deal with. But one thing I've

learned, which is very important, is how to fight fair,

huh, because there are going to be fights. And when you have

your first fight, you need to write it down in your journal

right to make sure, hey, this was our first fight, and we got

over it. But I mean, to fight fair is so important. And what

that entails is basically,

when you have a disagreement, you stay focused on on the topic

at hand, you don't bring up other things outside of that,

you know, I've often heard in the midst of our argument is and

another thing, you know, and it's just like, Alright, if

we're gonna argue about, say the laundry, you argue about it,

what are the points where the good points, the bad points and,

and just stay focused on the topic. And I think a lot of

times to you, you need to just clearly define what it is that

you're mad about or bothered about, as my clock, what you're

mad or bothered about? And, and just stay, I guess, involved in

that. And then when it's over, let it be over. and move on.

Yes. Yeah. don't cling on to stuff and have the mindset of

wanting to resolve instead of accusing and blaming the other

person and, you know, lashing out with your resentment that

you've been holding back on, holding back for, I don't know,

the last days or weeks.

That's very, very important to talk about. Yeah.

Oh, yeah. That's so true. and head towards it. With a goal of

resolution. Yes. Like, we are going to get through these

emotions. And then at the end, it will be fixed. And I'm

looking for her to feel good. I'm looking for me to feel good.

And yeah, so it's really just like Steven Covey says again,

and with Win Win

now, and with a win win solution is what you're heading for. Yes.

Yeah. Then you can trust and just get navigate through it.

And know that. Yeah, it's gonna be over soon. It's just a little

nasty right now. But we both have the same goal.

That's,

yeah, very practice advice. And then when it comes to

No, yeah, sorry. I was gonna say I have a question for you. Yeah.

Specifically for you because you are a multinational.

Have you run into this issue? And how do you deal with it the

the problem of being from another country so you're, you

know, you're from Germany, and part French, but you're in

Canada.

If you were to date an American, how do you do Is there like a

language barrier issue that you've run into or had to work

through before? It's not so much the language barrier, but it is

the way that I was expressing myself. And that goes for my

German self. Same as my French or my, my English self. If you

want to put it that way.

I was not capable to set boundaries or to tell a person

when they make me feel uncomfortable, or

I was not open. I was not trying to create common grounds.

And it has nothing to do with nationality here. I think it's

just the way I, I experienced relationships and just thought

this is how we got to live in a relationship.

What I learned though, here in North America is that people

value politeness, a lot, and non non directness, if you can put

it that way. Not being direct.

is so kind of beating around the bush.

And that's something I had to learn to address and it

It makes me a softer and kind of person, because in Germany,

we're very direct. And you can shut people down with that and

hurt people and make people feel shitty. And then they react. And

you don't understand why.

And here I learned politeness good goes first. So I learned to

be a little more polite and gentle. And to communicate

differently. Yeah.

But it has nothing to do with with my English skills, it has

all to do with how I thought relationship worked. And I must

say, like North American culture helped me to to become

a better communicator. And to know that politeness is good,

sometimes better than directness, but still be honest

and tell the person how you feel. But don't don't do it in a

hurtful way.

Right. Yeah. And I can totally see that. I mean, I lived in

Germany for 10 weeks, and they are very direct. And they'll

tell you, you know, this is how it is. And sometimes it's like,

whoa, hold on a second. But a friend of mine told me once they

said they said tact is the ability to say anything to

anyone, but not elicit negative emotions. And I think tact goes

a long way. Yeah. But from my perspective, with the language

barrier, I have a tough enough time expressing myself in

English. If I had to express myself in German, that would be

hard.

Yeah. Thank god like relationship stuff. As we said

earlier, before the interview, like a lot of things happen

in between the lines and body language.

So people were always kind of understanding what I was going

to say or what I meant. That's just the beauty of in person

interaction.

And it's,

I don't know, I didn't find it more difficult in a foreign

language. I don't know why.

Interesting. Well, you seem to have a very good grasp on the

English language and can express yourself very well. Except it

was off days when you're like, my English is not so good.

Yeah, I really have those days when I'm fishing for my words,

and they just don't want to come forward. But yeah, I don't I

don't take it as an excuse not to show up.

Yeah.

Is there

any other area like we had communication and setting

boundaries, as a man

that you would like to talk about when it comes to

relationships that you like can put a finger on it or something

you always wanted to know?

Like the answer from a woman when it comes to relationships?

Is there anything that you think are you guys don't make sense in

this area? Or why do you do this? I had a conversation about

nagging the other day.

That's more Yeah, something that women do I feel men can do that

too. But is there something you would like to ask or share

from your past or maybe present?

I'm kind of coming up blank, but the only thing I can think of is

Why do women go to the bathroom and pears?

Really good question.

So I'm just going to share from my experience other women might

answer it in a different way.

When I go to the bathroom with my

girlfriends, it's to discuss quickly what the next move is

going to be or what we want.

Do we want to stay? Do we want want to go somewhere else is the

guy who just started talking to you. Good for you. Or do you

want me to scare them off?

so seriously, you can talk about the boys right? Yeah, and then

also like, bullshit stuff like Oh, I love your makeup. What

kind of lipstick is this?

Oh, I'm on my period. Can you give me a tampon? Like, maybe

maybe this is all you guys imagine? We were talking about

and Yeah, it is. It is what we talk about.

Ah,

Ah, wonderful. All the mysteries are solved.

Yes. Yeah, I hope it was in depth enough.

So do you have a question about from a female's perspective?

What you've always wondered about guys either dating or, or

otherwise? Or what we're thinking or why sometimes we

don't think before we do something or say something. Mm

hmm. That's when I like guys most when they don't think.

Because it's

it's a natural state to be in. I would love to know what guys

think about feminism. And the me to movement if you've heard

about it. And if you think that feminism is outdated, or if you

think feminism is a good thing, and yeah, there should be more

women out there.

Being active in feminism.

Wow, we are really going deep on this podcast, are we? Well, is

that a surprise to you?

It should not be?

Well, I will This is my views speaking from a male's

perspective, and also a Christian perspective is, I

think women should be able to do practically whatever they want,

I don't think that women should be repressed. I think if

anything is available to them job wise, or career wise, you

know, go for it. It's the land of opportunity. I guess Canada

is the same way in North America, I don't know. But there

is a problem with being over feminine, to where, and this

goes back to the dating is.

If you are too focused on the feminine to be the dominant

gender, it removes the roles that the males have. And that's

what I've found in dating is that

if a woman says she can do everything, and this I see on a

lot of profiles is that they're an independent woman and they

don't need a guy. Well, the truth is, if you don't need a

guy, then I don't have a role to fall into. Exactly. You know,

you might be adept at, let's say, plumbing, or electrical

work, and you your toilet fails, you need a new toilet. So you go

to the hardware store, you buy a new toilet, you learn how to

change it, you know, whatever. And maybe in the guy who went

well, I could do that. And you're like, No, I don't need

it. But honestly, if you if you know how to do that stuff, or if

you know how to wire you in kitchen, you can but if you give

the guy in in, say, David,

I need this wiring gun in my kitchen, can you help? I can't

do it. You know, I'd be more than happy to say yes, I will do

that. I know how to do it. This is great. This is my job. Even

if you could do it, offer it to him anyway. Because that gives

him a spot to take a spot to fill. Yes. And so being

independent isn't so much a need or necessity as it is to give

that role or any role a role to the guy. So I think feminism a

lot of times takes away those roles.

That you know, men and women generally tend to fall in

certain roles. Men, women be the nurturers. Yeah. And men being

the warriors and the breadwinners. Yeah, and I think

together, we can form that image of a perfect union of a perfect

couple that no two of us no one of us can do on our own. Yes.

Yes. Oh, my God, I'm so glad we brought that up. Because this is

exactly what I feel is going on. out there right now. There's so

many women who are fighting for independency and they are fear

driven and aggressive. At the same time they want to be dating

and want to be held and you know, be given roses. But a man

is repulsed like is scared of these women and is not going to

be the masculine

part that he can and wants to be because the woman is playing

both sides. And I feel women who are too caught up in the

feminism shoot themselves in the own heel or back or however you

say that an English

foot or foot awesome. I had all my my joints here.

Because it is it is like a mass emotional mass castration that

is going on out there and men don't know Okay, which one

should we play? We want to be there for you. We want

protect you, we want to guide you. And women want to be

protected and guided. But the women that are out there right

now, not all of them, of course, but some are so aggressive and

think that they have to do it all. And men are the problem.

But they don't see that they themselves are blocking

themselves from a genuine,

happy relationship with a man. Unless the man is willing to

give his masculinity up at the door. And to, I don't know, mold

into some feminine, or non gender,

creature, it works. But if the man wants to be the man and

wants to play that role in a woman's life, it's not gonna

work. It's like two magnets of the same pole. They're not gonna

attract each other.

Yeah, and then we have a whole host of other problems. And even

even if the man does choose to be emasculated and come into

that role, where the woman still takes on the masculine roles.

Yeah, you know, it's, it's basically, there, I say it

against his nature. Yeah, because that's how we deal with

I mean, if you look at if you look at all animals, and humans

in particular, the males are bigger than the females, they're

stronger, they're taller, and you can just look around at

society and see this and look around in nature. And it's the

same way. I had a German Shepherd, you know, and he was

he was an awfully large dog and German Shepherds, the females

tend to be slightly smaller,

and the male sheperson be slightly bigger.

So yes, they do have that males are given that protective role.

But yeah, just like what you're saying is if they, they are

subservient to the female with their own roles, then they lose

their place. Yeah. And then and I think that's, that would be

trouble for, for that couple. Totally. Because the

attractiveness of attractiveness, sorry, goes out

the window at the same time to the woman is not going to be

attracted to that guy anymore. Even though she forces him into

that role.

On a chemistry level, she will not be attracted to him anymore,

if he substance submits to that. And I feel women's Yeah, and

she's not gonna be able to respect him either. Exactly. And

the guy himself is not going to respect himself, either. And

that's

where depression and everything can start. So yeah, women should

should be finding their femininity again and feel

empowered and feminine again, and not trying to take on the

man's role. And think that's the new feminine. No, because it is

not. It's just, as we said, like emasculating, and causing

troubles on so many levels. When it comes to relationships.

I feel Yeah, it's very important to talk about. And we're slowly

coming to an end here, we we hit the 40 minutes here.

Is there 40 minutes is up. I know, is there something you

would like to add? When it comes to

fighting fair? boundaries, communication,

role models?

I think one of the most important things in

relationships is to be kind.

And to know that your partner is a part of you.

You know, you wouldn't be cruel to yourself. And the truth is

that it's a joint venture, that if you were not kind to them,

it's like you're not being kind to yourself. You know, I always

always thought about rolls around the house, if, if the

dishes don't get washed, if I don't wash them, then she has

to. And if she doesn't, then I have to. So you might as well

pick up the slack because you're you're a team. And that's how

you have to work. And I think one of the other most important

things is communication. I've always said that. I don't know

how you're thinking or feeling unless you tell me. Sometimes

you gotta tell me two or three times because sometimes I'm just

oblivious or I'm watching TV or doing something else.

But to tell me, sometimes I'm just clueless. And so let me

know what you're thinking and feeling. With tact ideally, but

without you're that committed.

case in part and say, hey, look, this is how I feel right now.

I don't want you to know that and then knowing that I can

respond. But in a way if you don't communicate that

it's partly your fault.

Because unless you tell me, or somehow I, since I'm not gonna

know. So kindness and communication are both very

important in any relationship. Yes. That's, yeah, such a

beautiful wrap up of the episode. It's

very genuine and from the heart and just things that we have to

hear a times because women can maybe sense things or read in

between lines. But we can expect our partner to be doing that and

have to know and trust that if we express ourselves, we will be

heard. And we will meet

together and work things out together. Yeah. Very, very

beautiful. Absolutely. Thank you so so much, David, for being

here today. On the floor. This was great.

This was wonderful.

Yeah, there was a little bit of a delay here and between us. But

yeah, thank you so much for listening to this interview with

David Lee, it is very important to keep the balance to keep some

good positive tension in between men and women. But I think the

main message here is we got to communicate honestly, we have to

be kind with each other. And know that we both want the same.

We're on a team. We're together in this and we want to

support each other and be there for each other.

This won't be the last interview, were asked for a

man's perspective. I feel it is very important to talk about in

those times right now. So yes, stay tuned and we will be out

there very soon again for you. Bye