Rabiah (Host): This is More Than Work, the podcast reminding you that your self worth

is made up of more than your job title.

Each week, I'll talk to a guest about how they discovered that for themselves.

You'll hear about what they did, what they're doing, and who they are.

I'm your host, Rabiah.

I work in IT, perform stand up comedy, write, and of course, podcast.

Thank you for listening.

Here we go!

Welcome to More Than Work this week, everyone.

My guest is someone I actually know from San Diego and from

comedy, but she's not the comedian.

Her other half is, and she's, just was someone who was always awesome and

supporting all of us by being in the audience, early in our comedy careers.

But we're going to talk about her today.

And it's Amanda Castello.

She's Associate Director of Employee Engagement at UCSD at

the Rady School of Business.

And she's an Ayurvedic coach and yoga teacher.

So we have a lot to talk about.

Welcome to the podcast, Amanda.

Awesome.

Thanks, Rabiah.

Thank you for having me.

Rabiah (Host): Yeah, I'm excited to chat with you.

So I did kind of give away where I'm talking to you

from, but I'm in London now.

Where am I talking to you from?

Yeah, absolutely.

So I'm in San Diego, California, near the, you know, couple

miles north of downtown.

So we're in a heart center of the city and we really love it here.

So we're originally from Michigan, but San Diego is definitely

a big place for us as a home.

Rabiah (Host): Yeah.

Yeah.

And how long have you been there now?

I mean, it's been at least five years, I guess.

We landed here in December 2018, and we had the full

intention of, hey, we're gonna stay for a couple months, see how it goes, and

then it just kept turning into, oh, it's been a year, oh, it's been two years.

But we still love it here, so we're going to continue to stay, and, we have

plans to stay for the foreseeable future.

Yeah, so we, we really do love it here.

We do miss our family back in Michigan, but, San Diego is

definitely a place for us right now.

Rabiah (Host): Yeah.

And I understand like going somewhere for, I was going to be here for 18

months and it's going to be five years.

So I totally get that, you know, it's just what happens.

So you, you have a variety of things that you do.

And I mean, what, what struck me about you was just kind of having met you

quite a while ago now and then just kind of seeing how you've evolved

over time with your career and stuff.

So I guess first, do you want to talk about what you're doing as someone

who's working on people with people on their careers and like you've had

kind of various career coaching jobs.

And what I want to say is that I've had people on the podcast who are

career coaches and things like that, but independently, and you're doing it

through a school very actually, I'm a alumni of UCSD, not of the Rady School,

but just of the university, but.

in a different way.

And like, that's such an important role.

So can you talk a little bit about how you got into career coaching and where you are

now?

Yeah, absolutely.

So essentially, I studied international relations in college, and I really wanted

to be involved, maybe in the State Department aspect and really help people.

But now as I tell, people that I coach, I did my homework, so I did

all the informational interviews.

I talked to people.

I signed up for information sessions with organizations that talked about

careers and I realized, Oh, this might not be a longterm career path for me.

So then I pivoted and I stuck with how can I help people in my region?

I love to travel, but I didn't want to make that my career.

And because I, Connor and I are very, we love our family so much

and it's really important for us to be around as much as we can.

So then I was like, Oh, well now what do I do?

So I went through the whole process as a job seeker of applying for jobs,

having interviews, really struggling.

And you know, through that.

I would say maybe a year process really started to understand

like how to be a good job seeker.

What are the things that I need to be doing to get to an interview?

And to really communicate who I am to potential employers, so

that way they can trust me and want to onboard me on their team.

And so this really big pivot to career coaching came when we moved to San Diego.

So I started job seeking here.

In hindsight, not sure if that was the wisest thing for Conor Knight to do

is just to leave and show up, but you know, him and I are very resilient.

So we we figured it out and so I always encourage people, you know, if you

have a big leap of faith, it's okay.

Go for it.

So anyways, I through LinkedIn my first career coaching job was, the

previous Director of Career Services reached out to me on LinkedIn and

said, hey you have a really interesting background, you might be a good fit for

this career coaching position at the school and I kind of was like Really?

Okay.

So then I got through the interview process, ended up having the job.

I was there for three years and I really loved the aspect of helping

people do something uncomfortable.

That really is a big thing for me in my professional work as

well as in my personal life.

I would say that's a big overarching theme for me.

So then, over time I just kept growing within that industry.

So not only coaching my first job was more like coaching

nontraditional students.

So adults you know, parents even some students who were

18 fresh out of high school.

So that wide range was really nice and I really liked that environment.

I did a quick stint working with an executive firm where we helped more

higher level candidates find jobs as well.

And then ended up landing at UC San Diego where my first

job was again, career coaching.

And then now what I do is more on the external side.

So I work with employers to help hire our students.

So working in industry is, is really nice in a way because there's a, this

essence of a formalized pipeline, especially in graduate business school.

And so It's a, it's been a really great opportunity to, you know, thinking on

my background of helping our students go not have to go through so many whole

like loopholes that I did when I was a job seeker and provide them formalized

resources that we work with employers.

So they give us feedback on what they're looking for and insights

to how to get into their company.

And we communicate that information back to students.

So it's a really nice resource that I didn't necessarily have as a job seeker.

And so it's just really cool to be on the other side and say, like, here's

all the information to help you do something super uncomfortable, which

is to find a job, to pay for the bills and to do something that you love.

So...

Rabiah (Host): No, that's great.

I thought of a few things.

But one of them is that I remember when I was at UCSD.

So this was 25 years ago, right as undergrad.

There was this whole thing about San Diego State versus UCSD, which is still there.

My nephew's at state right now.

And so I don't feel a rivalry with him certainly, but just the idea

that UCSD, the employers didn't like hiring us because they felt that we

learned more theory and like, just the whole method of teaching at

UCSD was different than at State.

And they were more taught, more practically at State.

And so there, and then there was also the thing of like, they started doing basic

communication skills and writing and stuff for science people, because there

was this lack of ability to do that.

And we thought we were so great at UCSD even though we're

getting told these things.

And I mean, is there anything that you noticed, I guess, coming out of

I mean, it's definitely different students business school, but anything

you've noticed that you've had to like tell people who are really probably

high achieving at this point, if they're finishing business school

that you were kind of almost surprised you had to like work with them on.

Yes and thank you for that question.

It's a great question.

And you're right.

I would say, you know, I'm not a San Diego, California native.

One of my closest friends went to SDSU, which is kind of funny 'cause now she

works for UCSD extension , but at, at the end of the day, she's a diehard Aztec and

I totally understand and respect that.

But you are right with that essence of U. C. San Diego is

known as a research school.

So, you know, that research is definitely different than corporate

in terms of what the goals are, what skills you need to have and

just the environment's different.

The thing that I've heard and seen is our students are really smart.

They're very, very smart.

And the skill that needs to be focused on more is communication and people skills.

Like reading body language when you're talking to somebody.

Being able to communicate who you are, what you like to do, and what your

future goals are, especially to an employer when you're in an interview.

So you know, on my team, our career coaches do a great

job working with our students directly and helping them do that.

We have a lot of workshops and one on one sessions to help them with that.

But that's a really big piece.

And I hear that feedback from even employers, too.

It's like, you know, your students, we know that they have the skill set that

they need to do to do the job well, but really, if they can do a better

job communicating, you know why their, their capstone project is important

or how does this impact the business?

So that's a growing thing that our school is helping to train our students that

come in the door of like, you know, at the end of the day, you have to talk

to your supervisor about what you're working on and why it's important.

So definitely communication and people skills is the biggest, you

know, soft skill that we, we try to train to get them prepared.

Rabiah (Host): Yeah.

I've been, you know, in the workforce postgrad, post undergrad for a long time.

It is important.

I think being able to communicate well gets you a lot farther

eventually, whether you're the smartest one in the room or not.

And certainly when you start telling people you're the smartest one in

the room, you're not communicating well because you more demonstrate

that and say it, you know?

So for you, when you think back to when you were searching for jobs and

now the work you're doing with helping people, is there something that, that

happened to you or that you took with you that you always try to pass along

to someone that you go, you know what, this is the one thing I always need

people to take away from me because this was the thing that was hardest for me?

Yeah, that's a great question, man.

There's so many things.

Let's see.

I think I think one thing I would say confidence.

You know, it's really hard to be strong.

You know, even if you have maybe conflicting opinions of things

Or, you know, you're, you're, you have an interview, right?

And you feel the nerves coming up before the interview.

Oh man, you get this imposter syndrome feelings coming up, you

get I'm just another interview that they have other interviews for.

So I think one thing is practice makes perfect too, in a way, like

the more practice you have, the better you can become and really

learn how to talk about yourself.

So it was really tough to apply for jobs and not get responses.

And so I really feel for people right now who are job searching and

I hear, and I see it on LinkedIn of, of the job market being really tough.

And so I really feel for you because that is a very uncomfortable situation.

Having this confidence through a difficult time is maybe even

resilience would be a better word.

And I think over time, too, once you start applying for jobs and you read

the job descriptions and you write your resume and you write your cover letter,

you start to continue to reflect on what is really important to me and the work

that I do, whether it's you know, the company values or the day to day work.

And nothing's ever perfect either.

So it's always kind of like, "What is the non negotiable thing?" And

being confident of saying like, no, this is what matters to me.

And taking time to reflect on that and identify that maybe even before

you start looking for another job could be really helpful.

So that way as you go through the process and you might not get to where

you want to be at a certain time period you can take a look at what, again,

is important to you and keep that at the top of mind to stay resilient.

Because it is tough, you know?

Like, I think it's just accepting that it's, it's a tough thing to do, but having

confidence in yourself to put yourself out there and keep trying, I think is

the biggest thing that has helped me of just knowing, like, It's a process.

It's not an overnight thing.

I mean, it would be great if it was, it could happen, you know,

but having that expectation is really tough to meet, I think.

Rabiah (Host): Yeah.

no, I agree.

I mean, I was just looking recently for a little bit and then I think some

circumstances were changing how they've changed back, but I just, I had forgotten

about not hearing back from anyone.

Or, you do hear back now.

A lot of them have the automated, you didn't get it emails.

And that's, it's kind of like a lot of them, you know, in

a way you're just applying.

But some of them you take time and you really thought, Oh, I wanted

that one, you know, and it's tricky.

So that's good advice.

And to just, I think that is what you said about values too and what you want

is important because I don't think, especially when I started working

probably like a decade before you did, like we didn't do that, you know.

And then you would stay somewhere because you were loyal.

And I think it's ended now that whole thing,

hopefully, you know, has ended because should be glad they have

the employees they have not, you shouldn't have to always be grateful.

You have a job.

I mean, you know, be mutual, right?

So, let's talk about the yoga and then the, Ayurvedic coaching because that part,

I don't know anything about, but maybe so talk about it however you want to.

But how'd you go from, you know, for me, I was watching, I remember AM Yoga with

Rodney Yee or something, these VHS tapes.

That's the extent of the yoga I've done, right?

And how'd you go from someone like that to being someone who actually

coaches it and does holistic stuff?

Nice, yeah.

That's actually hilarious.

I think my mom had a Rodney Yee video, too.

So I know exactly what you're talking about.

But yeah, no, it's you know, growing up, like, I played sports, but it was

just a fun thing to do with my friends, and I never really I knew how important

stretching and breathing techniques were and all of this stuff, so I was

just kind of like, yeah, just move and, and you know, in my twenties during

college actually, and I was working a lot.

That's when like my health really just started to really decline.

Especially on the mental health aspect.

And I just didn't feel comfortable, I'm a person who likes a lot of different things

too, and so when I'm really out of balance like that, I'm just all over the place.

Like, I don't really know, I didn't know who I was, you know, I'm

still learning that, but it was just such a confusing time for me.

On top of the job search process, so that's where, you know, stick

to your values and who you are.

But I actually The catalyst for me, you know, on top of like

monster energy drinks, pop tarts, and call it like, just not good.

I went to a concert and I was crowd surfing, which is

really fun, but, you know.

Yeah, and I remember getting dropped.

I hit the ground, flat on my back, thank goodness.

And I was picked up immediately, and after that, like, I had really bad

back pain, like, it was just not fun.

I was longboarding at the time, so it was really hard to just move, and I was like,

wow, I really need to figure my stuff out, because I don't want to have these

mental health struggles, this anxiety on top of my body feeling tired and just

crunchy and just yucky all the time.

And yeah, so at college, they have like a staff physical therapist.

So I just went there and he's like, you know, you should get

into yoga to start strengthening your back and doing other things.

So I did, and I honestly, I hated it.

I, I was like, why are we, you know, closing our eyes and trying to meditate?

What is this, you know, cause I, from where I'm from, there is very

limited resources about yoga, except for Rodney Yee, like the video

my mom did every once in a while.

And she's, she's very healthy.

And so I, you know, I had her as an example of what health looked like.

But.

In terms of yoga.

Yeah, so slowly, I just, I don't know what it was, but it's, it really sucked,

but I just stuck with it and you know, and then just kind of clicked of once

you keep going, things slowly start to feel better, or I realized like, wow,

it's kind of nice to quiet my mind for a minute and not think about other things.

It's okay to take time away to not try to figure everything out, which

is really tough for me to, to handle.

And still, I struggle with that today, but now I know that I have a tendency

for that so it's, it's almost like I'm trying to build habits to protect myself

from really getting out of balance again.

And then I before we moved to San Diego, I did a teacher yoga teacher training

back in Grand Rapids at Kula Yoga GR.

Love that studio.

I love what they're doing.

They have grown so much.

so much since I've been there.

So it's really cool to see such a great community of for yoga and

health and wellness and friendship happen in my hometown essentially.

So that's, I'm really grateful for.

Yeah, and then I just kept going and I taught here in San Diego for a little bit.

I'm taking a teaching sabbatical right now just to focus on some other things.

So that's really nice.

And even though I'm not teaching now, I know yoga is going

to be a big part of my life.

And then to talk on Ayurveda.

Ayurveda is essentially a sister science of yoga.

So yoga is essentially the movement side of health, the breathing side of health.

And Ayurveda is the the lifestyle side.

So building good habits that match you.

This also comes from where yoga is from, which is like the

Vedic texts, culture in India.

And the idea of, of Ayurveda is that everybody is created uniquely which is

something that really resonates with me.

You know, we're all different.

We have different mindsets.

We have different bodies.

We have different personalities.

And so for Ayurveda, that was like, Oh my gosh, this is so cool.

You almost feel seen in a way.

And so I love that.

And I did a like a two year training with that which was a

really big growth jump for me.

And so you essentially learn different aspects of people through the lens

of the elements, essentially.

So, at that time, in the Vedic texts, it was about 5,000 years ago.

How I like to explain it is that at that time, you know, we didn't have

that type of technology we do now.

So people are trying to make sense of like what's happening in the body.

So you have a three, three doshas who are based on elements.

You have things like air, which is essentially movement and breath and fire,

which is a Pitta, which is essentially like your bile, your inflammation.

And so it's really cool to have more of these I guess higher

level maybe even spiritual and metaphysical ways to describe like

actual tangible things in your body.

Maybe one day I'll get deeper into that because I think it's so fascinating.

I love reading like journals about like Ayurvedic type of research to see

like how are they pairing this Eastern holistic health with the Western medicine

and how do these combine because I don't really think for me personally.

It's one or the other.

I think it's a nice healthy mix of both So it's just a really dynamic individualized

approach to health and wellness.

And for me, that resonates so well.

Rabiah (Host): No, that's really cool.

And so are you, did you take a break from being a coach of that too, right now?

Or?

I would say about two years ago, I was taking on clients.

I'm, you know, life has gotten a little crazy with, with the wedding last year.

And with my work has changed.

I've been almost two, two years now in my current role.

And I really would like to pick that up again.

And you know, if anyone's interested in, in that at all, I, I still can

do consultations and things like that.

And I love to do it.

So you can always reach out to me, but in the, in the near future it'll

be more of a formalized process.

Rabiah (Host): Cool.

No, that's great.

What I like about this is, I mean, the podcast, I'm recording it now.

My intention is to edit this within a reasonable amount of time, but I

I went 100 episodes basically just weekly, weekly, weekly, and all of

a sudden I couldn't I needed a break because I just had other stuff going on.

And so I think there is a lot to be said for understanding like hey, I can't

give to this fully right now And so I'm not, but it'll be here when I come back.

And, you know, I mean, it's a little bit hard because like you hope listeners are

there and I appreciate anyone listening if I'm not being consistent, but I think

there is something really important about understanding when you've hit your limit

or, or you're not able to do something the way you want to do it, so you need

to take a break, you know for sure.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I love that you said that.

I think it's really important because sometimes you feel when

you have a lot of different skills you want to use them all the time.

And you know, right now it's kind of this hustle culture, right?

And for me, like yoga and Ayurveda, it's I don't want it to turn into something

that I rely on to keep myself sustained.

I do it because I love it and I do it because I want to help

people and I want to help myself.

And you know, it just helps me grow.

So I love that.

I love the way that you packaged it because I think it's really important

for people, you know, like not everything has to be turned into a business.

Rabiah (Host): People ask me, like, have you monetized?

No.

Now should I?

Sure I would like to have more money, but I also like might not enjoy it if

it's like there's this pressure to do it every week and if I don't and then I

have sponsors and blah, blah, blah, and I mean, I would like to, like if I could

make this my career, this in writing my career and not my IT job, awesome.

Can I do that right now?

No.

This is something that for me, it's enjoyable to get to sit here.

You know, first of all, it's a privilege that people are willing to come on and

share with me about themselves, right?

There's that.

And allow me to share that with other people.

That's another privilege.

And then that people listen, you know?

And so if I have to like, then have this other element that I'm thinking,

Oh no, I have to have this conversation or I won't get money, whatever.

I think it would change my relationship with it.

Now, that being said, if anyone's listening, that's, you know,

producing podcasts and you think this was a good idea, let me know.

But you know,

Yes.

Rabiah (Host): Yeah, I can see how, I mean, even, I'm sure, I don't know

how Connor is and Connor is your husband, which congratulations, which

I've said, but I think it's so cool.

You guys are just super cool, but how he is with comedy right now.

But for me too, I mean, I've been on a visa.

I can't monetize it right now at all, but I do wonder how the

relationship with it becomes when you're relying on it for your income.

And if you don't gig, then, then you can't eat in a way versus, like kind of

what, at least I'm doing now and I don't know if he's around the same thing still,

like still doing it partly because he really just like is having fun doing it.

You know?

Yeah, yeah, no, exactly.

I mean, I think him and I and where we really bonded when we first got to know

each other is like, I think him and I are both like artists in our own way.

And I'm still kind of, you know, figuring out myself as an artist.

It's like, Oh, I like to move.

I like to help people move.

I like to help people express themselves and in a professional and a personal way.

And for him, he, he does a great job of making people laugh and like feeling good.

And so, together, it's just like a really nice back and forth and

we, learn from each other as well.

And for both of us, it's it's like such a thing that we feel like we

almost have to do to express ourselves.

And so I think we're both really careful about it.

Like for me, I really feel there's this connection between Ayurveda and careers.

I think about it a lot.

I write about it a lot and it's just not ready.

I don't have the exact answer yet.

So it's almost like, I'm in this research phase of figuring out how can I make

this Ayurveda more widely known.

But how can I put like my personal spin on it because I think everybody

has their unique experience and things to, to share with people.

And for Connor you know, he's continually like writing and trying stuff out.

And I think he has his his style essentially down you know, and I,

he's very, you know, it's wild to see, like, I'm sure you can resonate

with this but like being even just comfortable on stage, especially if like

the room is weird, the crowd's being weird, like, I don't know, the other

Rabiah (Host): Yeah.

comedians or the host is just kind of like weird energy.

And just handling that well.

Especially for Connor I feel like his style of writing he needs to

work it out, like, he needs to be on stage and practice so that's a

really big part for him right now.

Cause he's also working full time.

But he's quite busy with comedy, I mean, Probably two, three shows

a week on average, if not four.

And then it's just that extra time of where can I go for like mics to

get on stage to do more practicing.

And I think it's nice to, as a couple, like we both have our artistic

passions and we're both pretty supportive of one another on that.

And it's really nice to have in a partner.

And I, I mean, I appreciate it big time.

Rabiah (Host): For sure.

I think it says a lot about about you and about both of you and just able

and also they're such different things.

But there is something about it too like I do think that there, there's

some kind of service in sharing yourself or part of yourself with people.

Right.

So

Yeah.

exactly.

Rabiah (Host): One thing I noticed on your LinkedIn is that there's

this organization, Athena STEM Women listed that you're involved with.

Or maybe I don't know, like how involved you are.

Can you talk a little bit about what that is?

I've been in it for 20 years as a woman and that's very tricky sometimes.

Yes.

Yes.

So Athena Part of my, my role at Rady is very external facing where we're

promoting our school working with employers to help our students be, be

known and, and to have opportunities.

It's really increasing this access to opportunity.

And from being in San Diego for six years now, just time just goes by.

It's a very tight knit community here, especially in the startup space and

in the professional development space.

And the Athena STEM Network is a global organization for women.

There is programming for male allies as well, but the primary focus is to

help women have access to resources and education in the STEM field.

And San Diego itself is a really large, like biotech hub, as well

as adjacently technology and health.

So, that organization was actually founded by women at Rady when

they were in the MBA program I think about 20 years ago.

And that relationship kind of went its own way.

And so with the past couple years of being at Rady with networking with

different professionals and trying to find resources for our students.

And there's a lot of people too here in San Diego that are professionals

that want to give back to students too.

So it's almost like there was this bridge missing.

So I joined Athena to help recreate a bridge there back

to Rady and Rady back to Athena.

So I'm at the really early stages of developing that relationship.

But for me personally, I also wanted to join.

Because my background is more in the social sciences field, and I'm

slowly getting into the tech field.

I may have more education in the future.

I'm still working on that piece.

So I'm looking to go back to school and, you know, hoping to learn

from some of these women about what would make sense for me.

How do I fit in this world as somebody who didn't I wouldn't say didn't have

access to it, but for me, there wasn't an opportunity that like, I don't know, there

wasn't any great information sessions of like, you know, women who code is so cool

and like, it just wasn't I, I never had it like packaged in a fun, exciting way.

And what I see Athena doing is, yeah.

packaging this information in this way that people want to learn from.

And so it's just, yeah, so that world is really, really cool.

And they also do a great job of promoting these soft skills as well.

Like they have a training program for women who want to be on a board

of directors for an organization.

So yeah, so they also focus on like more of the soft skills, executive leadership.

So it's just a, such a great organization.

And I've been a part of a lot of organizations and nonprofits.

And I think for somebody who hasn't been before, I think

Athena is a great one to start.

But also like any organization in your local community that you might

be thinking you're interested.

Just reach out and see if anyone's open to meeting for coffee and learning

about it first before you jump in.

But it's just a really cool organization.

And I, and I'm excited to see where we go in the future.

Rabiah (Host): Yeah, that's awesome.

And, you know, I mean, look, you'll hear a lot of times about people don't

see themselves reflected in media.

And certainly that's true.

Like, especially when you hear it more around people of color and people in

the queer community that they, there weren't characters on TV that reflected

them doing positive or good things and that's slowly changing over time.

But I think there with career wise, like women weren't seen as leaders in

business and women weren't seen as in IT.

Like right now I'm, I've been a project manager for years and a product manager.

But that's where women have fit in IT a lot of times.

I've worked with women who are developers, but very rarely does that happen.

And I'm always glad to hear when women are doing more of that.

And I even think about kids now, like, do they do girls still know

that they have access to these things and they can do these jobs?

And so, yeah, it's super important.

And I think it's great if you I mean, I've dabbled in coding a

little bit just because of my job.

So that's kind of fun.

But like, you know, it's great to like also think, Oh, I'm in my career,

but I can still do another career, or I can still get more education.

So

exactly.

I love how you said like you've dabbled in coding.

It's also to like important if you want to work in a tech company, for

example, maybe in a sales role or customer service role it's really

important to understand the technology.

And even if you did like, you know, LinkedIn learning or YouTube of just

basic how, how do things work or taking a basic product development class, how

to do product marketing and management?

So if you want to be in a role like that, you really you need to have

a baseline understanding of what your developing team is creating

and the hardware that goes into it

because that's what companies want.

Companies want you to be able to understand what they're creating

so you can be a better customer service rep or a salesperson.

So I'm glad that you mentioned that because I think that's also important

for people who have more of these soft skill backgrounds that want to get

involved with more of the technical side of what companies create.

Rabiah (Host): No, totally.

It's just curiosity.

And, and, and, again, like kind of what you mentioned before, just doing something

you're uncomfortable with, right?

I mean, that's kind of kind of a thing.

I was also thinking just I'm glad you mentioned just doing

something in your community.

I, that's something that's very important to me that I've tried to like say on,

on this podcast, certainly, but also just to other people I mean, in general,

like, I just think that there's, if you have something to give, give it.

And one person corrected me and said, it's not always giving back.

Giving back insinuates that you receive something now you're returning.

So then I do like to think of it more as giving now.

And maybe because I have abundance in some areas of my life, and I

know I'm very lucky in some ways.

I don't know.

I've been working in it for a long time.

I feel really fortunate that I was able to do that or I've been able to have the

jobs I've had that allow me to on the weekend be able to give a few hours to

an organization or something, you know?

Yeah, exactly.

And then you think about maybe the people who have impacted

you to get you to where you are.

And it's, oh, they get, they shared their time with you.

They share their resources with you.

And so it's this almost like a generational wealth esque type thing of

passing down information to the next, to the next wave of, of people you

know, regardless of gender or identity.

So it's just like, you know, we're all here to help each

other because life can be tough.

So, you know, as much as we can support one another, I think

is the, the best way to go.

Rabiah (Host): I agree 100,

So one thing I like to ask everybody who is on the podcast and someone like you,

it's difficult because you've already said so much that's very like useful

to people and been very generous about your experiences and what advice kind

of they've led to, but is there any like advice or mantra that you'd just

like to share and leave people with?

Yeah I would say keep exploring, you know.

It took me a while to figure out what was important to me and what I like

to do, so it was a lot of like, trial and error of picking up a hobby or

picking up a creative expression project and then realizing, oh, this is fun.

Like knitting for example.

This is fun, but this is not who I am.

So I'm going to just keep going.

So I think just something that hopefully is helpful is just to keep

exploring and being open to try new things because you never know what

you would end up resonating with.

Rabiah (Host): Awesome.

So the next thing is the fun five.

So these are five questions that I just think are fun to ask people.

Not random people, just people on the podcast.

so we'll, we'll do those.

So the first one is, what's the oldest t-shirt you have and still wear?

Yes.

So I have this t shirt that I made in ninth grade.

I was a part of this like PALS program where we learned how to be

active listeners to help students who are in distress essentially.

And so we had an exercise where we like wrote our first name on the

front and our last name on the back.

And we wrote like things that we loved about ourselves on the front and

things that we're working on on the back and like hobbies on our sleeves.

And I still have it.

Very old and uncomfortable now to wear, but I still keep it

and I'll sleep in it sometimes.

But we did this exercise around the time where Taylor Swift's You Belong With Me

video came out and she had, like, her Taylor shirt and so I thought it was so

cool and I'm never gonna get rid of it.

Never.

I even brought it here with me.

Like, I have it.

It's not even in Michigan.

Rabiah (Host): Nice.

That's cool.

Did you look at it at any point in the recent past and see like,

wow, I'm still working on that?

Yeah, yeah.

I think one of it was like letting go of things like not holding grudges

and like understanding that, you know, people make mistakes, even

if they're your friends, right?

Or your family.

It's like, just, it doesn't matter at the end of the day.

Rabiah (Host): Cool.

All right.

So if every day was Groundhog's Day, like it seemed like during the pandemic and

it still does seem like sometimes and you started the day the same way every

day, like in the film, what song would you have wake you up in the morning?

I love Machine Gun Kelly.

MGK is my favorite artist.

So it'd be anything, you know, because he has such a wide range

of styles of music, which I love.

So it'd be anything, depending on the day.

Like El Pistolero is a new song that he reimagined from an old song and

it's just like, it gets back into his rap world, which is so cool.

So I'd say that one.

Rabiah (Host): Alright, so, Machine Gun Kelly.

I've seen videos of him on my reels and I was like, who is this?

So I didn't know.

Cause he has very his tattoos, he seemed to cover them up with a big tattoo.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I I resonate with him because he, like, has a wild background in a way.

I think it's just more of an identity crisis in a way of like, he's been all

of these things and I heard a interview that he mentioned that it's like, for

all of his tattoos it was like writing over the same page again and again and

again and it just got crazy and he's like, I don't know why I did that.

I was young and dumb and so like this new coverage is almost like a starting

over piece and then there's some lines where you can see underneath

like the old tattoos and it's still like a window into that world.

So I thought it was cool of like, I'm not totally covering up your

past, but almost saying like, okay, I'm a new person now, but I still

recognize who I was, and I'm not, like, trying to to disassociate from that.

But you know, also recognizing like, I'm not that person anymore, but

it's still a part of his history.

Rabiah (Host): Yeah.

people evolve and change, it's just how, I mean, we all do or have.

All right, easier question, coffee or tea or neither?

Coffee, big time.

And this is a Ayurvedic thing that I've been doing.

You put cinnamon, nutmeg and cardamom in your coffee with a little bit of milk.

And I like it iced right now, which is not great for my dosha, but I understand that.

But those spices can help ease how your body metabolizes the caffeine so

it's not such like a, a big like jump.

It's more of like a nice slower paced increase in, in energy essentially.

Rabiah (Host): okay.

It's pretty good too.

Rabiah (Host): Nice.

All right.

And can you think of something that just makes you laugh so hard you cry, or what

do you think of it, or just something that did that before that you want to share?

Honestly, anything from my family or Connor's family.

We're all really close.

We're hooligans, we laugh, we do wild things, especially my younger brother

and Connor are like, just very out there.

So, I mean, anytime, or my dad, anytime they say something or send us a picture,

and it's like, you guys are just making fun of everything, and I love it, and

it just makes me smile all the time.

Like It's just wild.

Rabiah (Host): That's great.

Yeah.

Family, like laughing with family, especially with siblings.

I mean, there's no one you laugh with like that, you know,

Exactly.

Rabiah (Host): Okay.

The last one who inspires you right now?

I would say I don't have a particular person because

I've kind of shifted away from that, honestly, of, of looking at someone

thinking that they are all perfect and they're who exactly I want to be.

But I find right now a lot of inspiration from a wide range of friends.

Some of my coworkers, um, have um, have like, Uh, been examples of leading by

example of, being good communicators.

And some of my friends have been very wise about protecting their time

and about who they are and what's important to them, even if it's,

it makes other people uncomfortable in terms of not being able to give

to like their relationship as much.

And so I think I've been finding inspiration from a lot of people in my

network of like, I hope I embody what this person has been doing and I want

to embody what this person's been doing.

So I'm really looking more at as a community aspect

Rabiah (Host): Cool.

You're surrounded with people that reflect what you want to be or are maybe.

So that's great.

Yeah, exactly.

Rabiah (Host): Cool.

Well, Amanda, this has been fun because I think we've never just

gotten to really sit down and chat the two of us anyway, like.

Yeah, I know.

Especially in the show world, it's like, you want to prepare for your

set, so it's like, you know, you can always say, Hey, how are you?

Alright, I'm gonna let you do your thing.

So, Yeah, but it's really nice, and thank you for having me.

Rabiah (Host): And one thing I forgot, I need to ask you, where

do you want people to find you?

And if they want to reach out to you or just kind of see what you're up to.

Absolutely.

So You can reach out to me on LinkedIn.

You can just find me Amanda Castello.

You can reach out to me on Instagram too, which is Amanda dot Ayurvedic

health (@amanda.ayurvedichealth).

You know, send me a message If you're looking for resources.

We can meet, we can chat.

to get coffee.

Yeah, I'm an open book, so I'm happy to either point you in the

right direction or answer questions.

Rabiah (Host): Awesome.

Well, thanks for being on, Amanda.

Yeah.

Awesome.

Thank you.

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talked about in the show notes.

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