Hey there, Alex, it's great to finally
connect and to have
you on the podcast today.
I know it's a little early there.
And as you've just mentioned, you've just
got your first born
that's come into your life.
So I really appreciate
the time that you're taking.
Now, familiar, I'm sure that most people
in this space who are familiar with
molecular hydrogen are to at least some
extent familiar with you and your work,
especially as you've been on the podcast
circuit a lot in recent times.
But for those in the audience who maybe
just aren't familiar with you and your
story, would you mind just running us
through how you end up in this space?
Yeah.
So this would be going back about a
decade, maybe a little bit more.
I was in a completely different field.
It gave me a lot of freedom
financially and time wise.
And so my time was
spent largely exercising.
You know, and competing a little bit of
competing and CrossFit, but helping
friends get prepped for
fights in martial arts.
I was training four to six hours a day
and I got hit with the mystery virus.
It caused an autoimmune like response.
I developed sudden onset narcolepsy.
I was sleeping 16 plus hours a day.
If I sat down for more than
a minute, I'd fall asleep.
That was a narcolepsy aspect.
And I had central nervous system fatigue.
So my strength was normal, but I couldn't
do anything explosive.
Like couldn't jump an inch
off the ground, basically.
Sorry to interrupt.
Was there anything sort of postural then
sort of a sort of a POTS component?
Do you think?
A postural orthostatic hypertension sort
of element to that, just with that sort
of CNS fatigue or it just sort of screams
that sort of
autonomic dysregulation to me.
Or do you think there was another
underlying trigger there?
Yeah, I mean for hypertension, my blood
pressure by memory wasn't that abnormal,
but that was something.
Especially when this happened, my resting
heart rate was in the mid thirties.
My blood pressure was
like a hundred over 70.
I remember it spiked a little bit, but
nothing that the doctor
itself was concerning.
What was the most concerning is my
C-reactive proteins, which
were 35 milligrams a liter.
Wow.
It's like...
Or line cancerous.
Yeah, it's a hundred times abnormal, you
know, and now mine are undetectable.
So, you know, 150, 200 plus times higher
levels of inflammatory
markers than what I currently have.
So that lasted a few months and all of a
sudden the dust cleared and things
started settling back down to normal.
And by normal, I mean my C-R-P dropped to
like three, which is still what you'd
expect when you're sick,
when something is going on.
But not 34.
But when that happened, I had developed
osteoarthritis in 11 joints.
So the high levels of inflammation for
months had basically ravaged every joint
that I'd had a previous injury in.
Doctors told me that I should never work
out again, you know, put me on high
levels of like anti-inflammatories and
cortisone injections.
And I just knew that
wasn't a forever solution.
At 29 years old and having my life
largely been about fitness and exercise.
So I just dove deep into what we now call
biohacking and looking for absolutely
anything that could regulate the
inflammatory response.
I came across research on hydrogen,
hydrogen water and bought
a machine for like $5,000.
Went on my Mary Way.
I was doing countless other things,
various supplements, various, you know,
therapies, doing cold exposure, you know,
sauna, like doing all this, this stuff.
And also was doing the
anti-inflammatories in
the cortisone injections.
I must have loved you.
Yeah, about nine months in, I fainted in
the gym a few times.
I wasn't processing my nutrients.
I developed multiple ulcers.
So I had to abruptly stop the
anti-inflammatories.
Then my inflammation spiked again.
All my joints froze.
I couldn't put on a shirt, you know,
couldn't, had to lie down
to put on socks type thing.
And I had to go back to the drawing board
because obviously none of the biohacks I
was doing were properly working.
Only the drugs were working
and dove back into the research.
And I found new studies on hydrogen water
and molecular hydrogen.
And they kind of pissed me off because I
had this $5,000 machine and it was doing
nothing for me, but it just dawned on me.
Well, what dose am I getting and what
dose are they using in the research?
So I started buying the full papers to
read the material and methods, quickly
discovered that not a single one of the
clinical trials was using an electrolysis
machine like I'd bought.
Um, they were all reporting
concentrations and dosages of age two.
I had no idea what I was getting.
I found a reagent to test the hydrogen
and it was undetectable.
I had to triple the
input to detect anything.
So it was, you know, 0.03 parts per
million is what I was getting, which is a
small fraction of the minimum observed
therapeutic threshold to have any
physiological effect and the minimum
threshold to do anything in the body is
not what's going to work or work for the
best, you know, for, for anything.
So that, uh, gave me a bit of hope and
there was nothing commercially available
other than these,
these electrolysis devices.
And, uh, I started doing some tweaking
and then I found there was some emerging
stuff coming out and I started testing
yet it had loads of problems.
But, uh, basically between my own, like
Jerry rigging of getting these reactions
done and trying to maximize it, I started
getting to about three parts per million
and drinking several
liters of the water a day.
Um, I was pressurizing
it in like thermoses.
Um, a few actually exploded in my fridge
from the pressure build up.
Like, so that was a fun issue, but, uh,
within like a week and a half of getting
in this high dosage, daily dosage of
hydrogen, my joints all loosened and I
started feeling energy again and feeling
better and I started thinking, wow,
there's, there's something here.
Um, but, uh, I had a bit of a sober
second thought, um, cause I was using
elemental magnesium, uh, doing this
reaction and I knew enough about the
basic chemistry to know that I'm making
hydrogen, but I'm not a chemist and I
didn't know if there were any side
reactions that were making something
toxic or harmful, uh, am
I doing something wrong?
Exactly.
Are there heavy metals?
Um, so I tested the magnesium I was
getting and I pulled in this magnesium.
I'd found sources in, in like Eastern
Europe and in China, right?
Because the, the stuff controlled in the
U S like eventually, which is what I'm
using, I'm using a pharmaceutical grade
of the magnesium, but I had to go through
an extensive background check to, to get
it and export it, you know, through the
state department, because it's heavily
controlled right in the U S.
Um, and the stuff I was getting in from
Eastern Europe and China was never
labeled as magnesium.
It was always something like
silver paint powder, right?
Like, um, because I learned it was
illegal for them to export.
So, um, I tested it.
The heavy metals were high, but not
dangerously high, like high to be doing
every day for the rest of my life.
Yeah.
Chronically.
Exactly.
Um, and, uh, uh, uh,
found my founding partner, Dr.
Holland, he, he's a
PhD, uh, organic chemist.
Uh, he's, he's
originally from the UK actually.
Um, and, uh, he's from the pharmaceutical
industry and I asked him to take a look.
At first he told me, I'm
going to save you the money.
This is the worst pseudoscience I've ever
heard in my life and gave me a long list
of reasons why this wouldn't have a
physiological effect.
And even if it did, why you'd want to
inhale rather than drink.
Um, fortunately I had read every single
paper at that time on molecular hydrogen
and its physiological
effects, um, including.
Data head to head from drinking water to
inhalation and the difference in bio
availability and
different organs and tissues.
So I shared this with him.
I rebutted every one of his points and he
said, well, you know, I'm shocked.
I still don't really believe it, but
peers, there's enough for
me to take a look for you.
Sure.
I'll, I'll take a look.
This is my right.
And, uh, he went on looking at my
formulation and the chemistry and every
day I just sent him a new study.
Um, just to pique his interest.
I was really excited at this time because
it had had such a profound effect on my
own health and I want to keep doing it.
Uh, and serendipitous serendipitously, I
sent him a one paper on a certain heart
disease model that I was not aware of,
but he was a lead chemist developing
small molecules to target
that disease at the time.
And it was, uh,
a phase two ish style, like, uh, double
blind clinical trial.
And, uh, he called and asked if I wanted
to meet for lunch and that
he had some findings for me.
And, uh, you know, he'd made some tweaks
to, to my formulation, but importantly,
he wanted to talk about that paper.
And he said the other papers he were, he
was just having to trust the conclusions
because he wasn't really a subject matter
expert, but, uh, he remarked that he was
on this model and told me he was
developing small molecules for it.
And he wishes the molecules, his company
was developing worked as well as this
paper, and he basically said, are you
sure you just want this as a do it
yourself project,
like nobody's doing this.
Shouldn't like you're sure you don't want
to commercialize this.
And, uh,
I thought long and hard about it.
Um, you know, I, I thought
who am I to enter this field?
I have no background
in this field, right?
Um, I, uh, don't want to go into
something that requires expertise and
just be pushing something
that I don't understand.
Um,
but I'd also promised myself because I
abandoned some business ideas that years
later, other people thought of and, and
you know, what went and distributed.
So I promised myself that I'd never let
an opportunity like that slip again.
Um, so I started doing my due diligence.
I spoke to attorneys, uh, the first
attorney I spoke to, um,
cause I was thinking about raising, you
know, funds and if I was going to need
to, and I didn't want to, but if I was
going to need to, what it would go and
strap this.
Yeah.
And, uh, he basically like I told him
what I was doing and the research.
And, uh, um, by this time we'd actually
developed a tablet that was working.
And after an hour meeting, he said,
listen, I'm not going to charge you for
this meeting and I'm not going to charge
you to get all this set up.
So long as you shake my hand and say that
I'm going to be your
corporate attorney as you get going.
So that gave me even more faith that,
okay, like maybe like there's something
here, there's something here, right.
And I'm getting this
kind of encouragement.
And then I, I, uh, hand pressed bottles
for about, you know, 40, 50 friends,
family members, friends of friends that
we're dealing with various chronic like
pain issues, like,
especially like exercise related.
And the response was just overwhelming.
Everyone's like, what did you give me?
This is, this is like magic.
Like this is fixing this or fixing that.
And all of these, uh, confirmations along
the way kept me going.
Um, the first year, year
and a half was arduous.
Um, it only took a few weeks for us to
finalize the formulation and a mortar and
pestle and making 20 at a time, but
making millions at high speed is a
different beast entirely.
And it was 15 failed scale of attempts
over a year and 3000 iterative
adjustments to formulation and process
before we got our first working
formulation that didn't work nearly as
well as those firsthand pressed tablets.
You know, and, and to be frank, um, even
the tablet we have today doesn't work
quite as well as the first hand pressed
tablets because everything you do in
manufacturing can take away, but we're
pretty darn close to, to what we did day
one, but now we're at least 10,000 get of
adjustments into formulation process to
continue refining, continue perfecting
and be able to make it high speed, but
now I had a working product and I can
make it, but the next question was, do I
want to just be like a zealot believer
or, or do I want to put my money where my
mouth is and see if this does work
because I can't look
at myself in the mirror.
I can't sleep if I think that I'm just
being a fraud, right.
And don't know.
So I set out on the next task.
I emailed every first and corresponding
author on every single human study on
hydrogen at the time and quite a number
of the rodent studies offering free
product, free placebo and donations.
If they wanted to use my tablet in the
research, I got some bites that kept
going and, uh, I'm a
big believer in truth.
So how most companies conduct research is
when they're paying for research is under
a research agreements, um, and results
can only be published
if the funding body.
Like agree with the findings.
Right.
I just don't believe that's ethical.
We don't know the truth if we don't know
what doesn't get published because if it
takes a company 10 times to find the
result they want, then it doesn't work.
Didn't work nine times.
Right.
Um, so cherry picking
dates are just based.
Yeah, exactly.
And this has allowed us, like we have
over 20 clinical trials.
Now we have more clinical trials underway
than we have published, but because at
every step of the way, um, I'm allowing
researchers to publish no matter what the
outcomes are, right?
They can publish if it doesn't work, they
can publish if it shows harm.
This allows them to get grants, you know,
from governmental bodies and agencies and
their, their
institutions to pay their salaries.
So the research we've done would have
probably cost in the nine figures, but
it's cost us maybe a
million or $2 million.
I haven't done the math, right?
But we've done the research for one, 100,
the cost of what most private companies
do because we are taking this risk and we
want truth to prevail.
And if we find out, if we found out it
didn't work or it's harming people, then
I wouldn't have been able to continue on
in the business anyways.
Right.
So I didn't want to be beholden to this
whole like shareholder primacy, which is
the biggest evil that's befall in the
Western world that I have to do
everything to protect earnings, you know,
either this is showing that it's working
and helping people or it's not right.
Because I can always find something else
to be my purpose and make money, but I'm
not going to do anything for
the purpose of making money.
Right.
Money is a tool for your purpose.
It's not the purpose.
Right.
So that's why I
structured things the way I do.
And at this time now we have 21 structure
function claims legal to like FTC, FDA
standards in the U S uh, like I
mentioned, we have over 20 clinical
trials, a bunch of preclinical trials.
We have more clinical trials on the
hydrogen tablets than every other
commercial hydrogen
water product combined.
And we have more
underway than we have published.
So our lead is just growing because of
our philosophy for truth and for science.
And, uh, again, really it's, it was a put
in your money where your mouth is like
I'm a believer, but I'm
ready to be proven wrong.
Right.
And let's see what the data shows.
Well, thank you for that.
That was the most comprehensive
introduction I've ever had from anyone.
So that was amazing.
And it definitely just speaks testament
not only to your character, but the
amount of effort you put into this and
just trying to overcome your own issues.
Um, I'd love to come back to the tablets
a little later on the conversation.
That's okay.
So I've got a few more questions there,
uh, but just kind of a quick tangent.
I mean, I can't do a podcast without
talking, uh, going on tangent quickly.
Uh, did you ever find out what was really
triggering, uh, your, your RA or the
other subsequent issues, what is sort of
mold issue or anything like that?
Or they, they, they think
it was a viral infection.
Right.
Um, it might've hit me
a little bit different.
Uh, so my roommate at the time who was
also a high level computing athlete, um,
it hit him different.
He, uh, had to go to
the hospital a few times.
He had pneumonia.
He missed a few weeks of work.
Um, he didn't have the
long lasting effects I did.
I think what might've contributed to what
happened to me is about a month prior.
Um, I stupidly competed in the CrossFit
competition about two days
after I'd had food poisoning.
And that left me so wrecked that I had
like borderline Rabdo.
Like I couldn't walk up the stairs.
Like I slept on the couch because like in
my house, I was on the second floor and
like, I couldn't make it up the stairs.
So like for a couple of days, I slept on
the couch downstairs as my legs were like
shaking and, you know, not recovering.
Um, yeah, yeah.
Again, I should have dropped out of that
competition, but I was 29 and stupid and
thought I was invincible.
So I imagine that gut disruption and
severe stress following of trying to
compete after food poisoning is what
triggered the response
to the virus that I got.
Yeah.
And I, I, I, I'm not going to judge you.
I grew up a competitive
cyclist and, uh, it's different.
It's a lovely sport.
It's very safe until you fall off in
which case it's not.
But yeah, and I sort of
trained myself into living.
I gave myself, uh, a benign bradycardia,
uh, used, yeah, same vibe.
Used to sort of train until you threw up
in your nose, bled, and then sort of
wiped it down and just carried on.
And this is, and then all of a sudden you
hit that critical threshold and your 20s,
where everything just
starts to fall apart.
There's a quote from a jujitsu competitor
that I like quite a bit.
Um, when you hit 30,
you no longer get injured.
You start collecting
permanent disabilities.
Like that.
Um, yeah.
And I think, yeah, there's definitely a
law of diminishing returns, as you know,
when it comes to, uh, to exercise.
And I suppose it's, it's, it's quite a
nice sort of way to sort of segue into
the rest of the conversation.
It's a bit of an automatic stress is a
good thing, but too much is detrimental.
Yeah.
I mean, this is a book I'm writing that I
hope to release by about July called the
Stress Hacked and it's not
just the body, it's the mind.
So it's two books.
Um, they meet in the center.
You know, inverted kind of like yin yang,
because we can't be strong in body
without strength of mind and we can't be
strong in the mind without health and
strength and figure in the body.
Um, but all of that, uh, I mean, hydrogen
is a hormetic stress.
It's just a very mild one.
Right.
And with every hormetic stress, whether
it's emotional, psychological, whether
it's physical, uh, you need a certain
threshold for it to be therapeutic.
But if you go too
much, it can be harmful.
And typically when you do too much, it's
more harmful than the absence of it.
And, uh, the right dose for any type of
stress, whether it's physical or mental
depends not just on the individual, but
intra individual every day.
What other stress do you have?
What is your current state?
Right.
So that CrossFit competition that, that
ruined me was no harder than any other
one I'd done or my usual training.
But because I just had food poisoning a
couple of days before it was too hard.
The entirety of that sort
of LST at load as it were.
Exactly.
Right.
And this is what a lot of
people don't understand.
And what I see is the big problem that a
lot of people, even medical doctors are
recommending universal protocols.
Right.
That this is your longevity stack of like
core meat expressors and everyone should
do this exact thing every day.
And it's insane.
And it really speaks to poor
comprehension of how hormesis works and
how our physiology works.
Yeah.
No, I couldn't agree more on this.
I think it's definitely something we can
come back to a bit later on.
Um, yeah, my apologies.
Uh, I'm the king of tangents.
I am ADHD on top of everything else, but,
uh, I'd like to maybe take a step back
quickly if that's okay, Alex.
And then, and talk more about, um, how
molecular hydrogen is working now, uh, in
our sort of initial discussion, I want
you to go down the, the sort of the
mechanism of hydrogen ions and how they
sort of drive the production of ATP
through the electron
transfer chain, all of that.
And you thankfully put me on the right
track and, and sort of, uh, uh, yeah.
Sort of pointed the conversation more
towards sort of the semitic side of
things, which is what we'll discuss now.
Um, but as sort of a molecular level, I
mean, you've, you've already sort of, uh,
alluded to it with this discussion about
hormesis, but how is molecular hydrogen
fundamentally working to improve the
function of the cell of the mitochondria
and subsequently improve
the health of the individual?
It's closest to, to hormesis, but it's
not really hormesis because we haven't
found the upper limit
where it's, uh, harmful.
It's sort of like an anticipatory stress
with which our body expects to be a
stress, but is so mild that it never
seems to appear toxic.
Um, now we clearly
evolved to anticipate this.
Um,
if you look at our last
universal common ancestor,
it actually fed on hydrogen
as its fuel source, right?
That spawned all life on the planet.
Um, our mitochondria came from
eukaryotes, which was sort of like a
handshake deal between, you know, a
hydrogen producing and a hydrogen
consuming, you know, organism and, uh,
uh, went out to that, that carried on
through us now in living things,
including the, uh, the, the, the, the,
the, the, the, humans, we all have
bacteria that produces hydrogen gas and
much more relevant to human evolution.
Um, we make our H2
endogenously by fermenting fiber.
Now, if you look at, uh, the diet or
ancestral diets in our hunter-gatherer
stages before the last 10,000 years of
modern horticulture, we were consuming
100 to 150 grams of
dietary fiber per day.
Right?
Tremendous amounts.
Today, the average person in the Western
world gets 10 to 15 grams, but that
includes raw food vegans,
who are getting like 60 to 80.
The average person on a standard American
diet, eating a fast food and takeout food
diet, is getting zero to
three grams of fiber a day.
Want to talk about the carnivores?
Yeah.
Bacteria is like any other living thing.
If you stop feeding it, it dies.
We now know that even supplementing with
fiber, for a lot of these people, once
you hit middle age, you've had a poor
diet, you haven't eaten fiber your life,
the hydrogen producing bacteria have died
off and what has taken over are
methanogens, which are producing methane
right instead and
actually consuming hydrogen.
So you end up with this hydrogen
deficiency and hydrogen seems to be this
ancient signal that we have.
So yes, there's a very, very mild direct
stress to the
mitochondria that attenuates NFKB.
So that's how it's regulating our
inflammatory responses.
It's activating the NRF2 pathway.
That's how it's regulating the redox
status, the harmony between our
endogenous antioxidants and our
beneficial stressors, right?
Like nitric oxide and
H2O2 and H2S and so forth.
So hydrogen is kind of this supervisor.
It's a signal that comes and the dials
start getting turned.
So hydrogen doesn't activate or inhibit
anything universally.
You look at all of these markers that we
see in the literature and there's
examples of hydrogen activating them or
attenuating inhibiting them, right?
Depending on the context, but always for
a beneficial response.
So for instance, in the longevity space,
a lot of people talk about autophagy.
When you think that you always want to
activate autophagy, which is simply not
true, there's a lot of instances where
you do not want autophagy activated.
So hydrogen in many instances activates
autophagy, but in key instances in the
research, it has completely inhibited
autophagy, such as after drowning
resuscitation, after
heart failure, right?
These are instances you don't want
autophagy happening and
hydrogen's inhibited them.
It's the same thing with
oxidative stress and inflammation.
Now,
these are important parts of our
physiological function.
What's dangerous about them is when
they're chronically dysregulated, either
too much or too little.
More often than not, it's too much, but
there are plenty of
instances where it's too little.
So for instance, a lot of antioxidants,
like they, one don't work.
The research has shown that high dose
antioxidant therapy leads to higher
all-cause mortality.
Reductive stress.
Yeah, reductive stress, exactly.
So antioxidants can be good for some
people, some of the time, because if
you're in chronic oxidative stress and
you have some more antioxidants, it can
bring you back down.
But if you're just loading up the dose
and taking more and more and more, and
you're doing that every day, you reach a
point where you went to reductive stress,
which is just as
harmful as oxidative stress.
Hydrogen actually is not doing this.
It's regulating our
endogenous productions.
It's not working as a direct antioxidant.
So there's some cool research in say rats
to enforce swim tests.
And this is a model that we use to
evaluate stress, you
know, exercise induced stress.
In the hydrogen plus force swim test
group, the rats actually see a higher
spike in oxidative
stress and inflammation.
So their stress response gets
potentiated, but then they rebound to
homeostatic function faster.
So it's as if they worked out
harder and recovered quicker.
So hydrogen is not blunting the the
hermitic stress response, the adaptive
stress response of
stressors like exercise.
It's in fact potentiating
them, but then protecting
against dysregulation and bringing you
back to harmony faster.
So all the jumbos can relax about them
taking it's not like taking high dose of
urgency off your workout and then just,
yeah, it's not gonna
bludger hypertrophy gains at all, right?
It's actually gonna potentiate them.
So that's really interesting.
And this is what we're seeing.
And hydrogen is doing
this for a lot of markers.
I know in our talks you
mentioned PGC1 alpha, right?
And a lot of these markers that are
linked to things like caloric restriction
and fasting, hydrogen seems to mimic them
sometimes, you know,
in the right context.
Now, what I find very interesting, and I
still don't have a full grasp on what
this means from an evolutionary
standpoint, but throughout our
hunter-gatherer phase, our times of
caloric restriction were typically the
inability to hunt and
secure meat and fat.
So we would have relied on more
plant-based food sources, which back then
had far more fiber and
were less calorically dense.
So we would have been getting enough
nutrients and enough fiber, but we
wouldn't have been getting enough
calories and enough protein, right?
Going into this deep like fasting-like
state, this caloric restriction that
activates all these pathways.
Well,
interestingly, during these
times of famine and fasting,
their hydrogen, endogenously, would have
been amplified, like our ancestors,
because they would have been eating more
and more plant-based
foods full of more fiber.
So they would have been getting these
huge erratic spikes of hydrogen, which
perhaps protected them
in these times of famine.
And perhaps this is a signal that we've
brought with us to modern times.
So what's the
protein-sparing effect, do you think?
Well, we do know there's one interesting
study in Drosophilia, where they
stop food source on these fruit flies to
see how long they survive.
And the group that's been
supplemented with molecular hydrogen,
they survive for substantially longer.
Then, you know, the
fruit flies have the control.
So there's some
interesting factors there.
Again, not only is it activating these
caloric restriction-type pathways, but
it's preventing death
and harm from extended.
So it's regulating our response to these
physiological stressors.
Yeah, that's fascinating.
Okay, well, you've
definitely answered all my questions.
And I'm glad to see that you sort of at
least agree on the fact that, well,
sorry, post-cholesterol words, that you
like my idea that it's going to also
support mitochondrial biogenesis by way
of potentially upregulating PGC1 alpha,
which for the audience is a, I think, is
technically speaking transcription
factor, that then drives the production
of more of these
mitochondria within the body,
which for most people, and which is
something I think a lot of people seem to
forget about is they don't realize that
there is this high level of mitochondrial
turnover that's constantly happening.
And as you alluded to earlier, like
everything else,
mitochondria become damaged.
And when you're in a highly inflamed
state, you're going to not only lose the
capacity of those mitochondria, but
you're also going to
lose mitochondria in tandem.
I mean, I'm sure you're familiar with Dr.
Robert Navier's work on
the cell danger response.
I'd be actually quite
interested to see what he thinks.
Are you familiar with
the cell danger response?
No, no, not off the top of my head.
Okay, so Dr.
Navier, it's more of a thing in the sort
of the CFSME community.
Obviously, people are struggling with,
yeah, your chronic
fatigue syndromes, but Dr.
Navier posits essentially that when the
cell is stressed, the mitochondria
particularly is going to go into what's
called a cell danger response state.
And it's going to inhibit it, which is
going to inhibit the ability to utilize
fatty acids to drive ATP to production
through oxidative phosphorylation, and
that they're then going to
sort of rely more on glycolysis.
And in doing so, you are going to down
regulate the metabolism of that cell to
the extent that it actually is not able
to, yeah, that you then start to lose the
ability of that cell to effectively
communicate with neighboring cells, but
also just to produce ATP
in the effective range.
And you cycle through what is essentially
cell danger, CDR1, 2, and 3.
And individuals who are in this CDR state
tend to sort of get stuck in CDR1 and 2,
which are these
states of cellular arrest.
And I'm just sort of trying to plug it
all together here, but I would be kind of
interested to see what
molecular hydrogen would do
just with regards to his work.
I'd be happy to send you
this information on his work.
Yeah, send it all, I'll
take a deeper look for sure.
Yeah, no, I think it's definitely one of
the metabolic theories that explains a
lot of cellular dysfunction and not only
chronic fatigue, but why people get stuck
in a state of chronic inflammation and in
a state of chronic hyper
immune reactivity as well.
Alex, I'd love to have a deeper dive into
hydrogen and the gut.
Now, I know you've talked about this
previously, and maybe I'm butchering
this, so please feel free
to correct me if I'm wrong.
But from what I understand, hydrogen is
involved in the production of short-chain
fatty acids, is that correct?
So we don't know the exact mechanisms
yet, but we have shown in research that
it can increase certain short-chain fatty
acids like propionic
acid, butyrate acetate.
There's been quite a number of studies
showing improvements to the microbiome.
We have again shown with the tablets that
we can reduce calprotectin, so there is a
lot of gut protective
effects that are happening.
We can activate hormones in the gut, like
we've regulated ghrelin and GLP1 in
clinical trials and pre-clinical trials.
So there's a lot of gut-based responses
that are happening that mechanistically
we do need to uncover more, but it could
in part be due to this constant ebb and
flow of gases that we have in our gut
right now, and how modern lifestyle has
dramatically shifted this dynamic away
from what we evolved to expect.
So by supplementing with high-dose
hydrogen, especially for the gut water
because it's getting into your gut, this
could be basically substituting for what
we're lacking in our lifestyle.
Okay, and just on that train of thought,
if you've got more of these short-chain
fatty acids, one would assume that you're
going to sort of develop more acrimensia
and other beneficial bacteria.
They're not only going to increase.
There is some research that hydrogen can
increase acrimensia too.
Okay, or directly.
Yeah, well, that supplementing with
hydrogen water leads to
higher levels of acrimensia.
Now, whether that's
direct or not, we don't know.
Most of the things hydrogen is doing is
indirect because when it's tipping the
scales on our system and it's dialing up,
dialing down in all these various ways,
there are countless
downstream changes that occur.
So with everything hydrogen, it seems to
be largely systemic, at least to the
tissues that are
being properly saturated.
So it's still unraveling the rat's nest
of what's downstream of what
in terms of hydrogen's action.
Yeah, and then just on the GLP1 side of
things, have you done any investigations
or research as your team into the
metabolic effects of hydrogen, maybe say
relative something like GLP1 agonist?
Is there any data out there to show that
these compounds are effective at helping
to regulate those satiety hormones?
So we have, I think it's now seven
clinical trials showing substantial
improvements in body composition and
metabolic health, including ones that are
under peer review right now.
We've regulated, like I mentioned, GLP1.
We returned the peaks and valleys to
ghrelin showing proper hunger responses.
We've modulated the neurochemistry
involved in satiety.
We consistently show improvements in
various metabolic markers as well, such
as blood sugar insulin, cholesterol,
triglycerides, everything like that.
Again, it's going to be a lot more subtle
than throttling a GLP1 agonist full time,
but hydrogen isn't a sledgehammer, right?
What it is, is it's a fine tool to
recalibrate and then over time, your body
slowly gets more and more efficient and
does things more and more properly in how
we evolve to behave.
But it's not going to be
shocking changes overnight.
We're seeing the best metabolic effects
after three months, six months.
The longer you take hydrogen, the better
the results are getting.
Yeah, no, I mean, that makes perfect
sense, of course, because I think people
take this sort of very reductionist view of appetite at the moment
anywhere that it's just GLP1.
But when you're in an inflamed state, and
as most people struggling with metabolic
disease are, you're going to have high
levels of inflammation, you're going to
have low levels of dopamine, you're going
to have dysregulated ghrelin,
dysregulated leptin signaling, all of
which are going to
feed into this cascade.
It's not just about the GLP1.
And subsequently, yeah, if you can work
to improve that environment, to sort of
re-model or regain that homeostasis, I
would have met with something like
molecular hydrogen, I would assume that
you are then rebalancing the entire
satiety system within the body.
And I suppose it's just taking a sort of
a root scores approach to it apart from a
post as you sort of mentioned, just
that's rocking GLP1 and hoping to god you
don't end up with
pancreatitis in 10 years time.
Yeah, and that's the thing.
Hydrogen is, it's not
acting like how we define a drug.
It's not having a direct effect on a
certain receptor,
right, or enzyme in the body.
Like hydrogen is playing this regulatory
role, like a supervisor within our cell
that's directing subtle changes, and then
our body starts to correct its own path.
Yeah, definitely.
What do you think about the idea of sort
of running a GLP1 alongside
something like molecular hydrogen?
I know it's a bit of a blunt, a sort of
low hanging question, and definitely
something that you'd want to
sort of just clip on a reel.
But I think that's something that people
would want to be interested in.
Is that, I mean, just speaking from your
own position, would that be something
that you would sort of well endorse, but
at least
hypothetically say is a good idea?
So actually, this gets into what I think
is the future of the research.
And we've now published a number, I think
half a dozen of preclinical trials.
And we have many more that are either
under peer review, under manuscript prep,
or in planning, where we're utilizing
concurrent use of the hydrogen tablet
delivering an approved pharmaceutical
ingredient, right, an active
pharmaceutical ingredient.
What we're finding over and over again is
that hydrogen is acting synergistically
to potentiate the responses of these
drugs, while also
mitigating the side effects, right?
So it could lead to futures where a lot
of these drugs, we can be delivering them
in much smaller dosages, also reducing
the side effects, getting better results
and improving people's health, because
there are many, many instances where we
do need direct pharmaceutical
intervention, you know,
for a lot of specific states.
So actually, there's certain, you know,
GLP1 agonist molecules that are available
in say powder form that we've identified
on our shortlist to be doing research to
look at the combination usage of them
with the hydrogen
tablet as a delivery method.
And this is a future channel I am going
into that we're actively going down.
It is exploring the use of the hydrogen
tablet as what's called a, you know, a
pharmaceutical
excipient that enhances the
availability of the compound
or reduce side effects, like basically a
functional excipient.
So I don't want to
register hydrogen as a drug.
I don't think it fits
into the drug dynamic.
I don't think it works as a standalone
drug on any one disease, but
basically getting it through the
regulations like this, a whole wide array
of pharmaceuticals could be added to the
tablet delivery method, work
complementary or synergistically, reduce
side effects, and basically
be great for everyone involved.
From pharmaceutical companies who who are
putting in less of their expensive
ingredient to get the same effect and
probably charging the same on the market.
So making more profit in that sense, but
for consumers getting better health
results with lower side effects, you
know, and better
long-term improved health.
So it's something I'm
really excited about.
And that's what we're going to be going
down more the next few
years, five years, 10 years.
I mean, that's incredible.
I mean, I was aware of the fact you were
compounding America hydrogen with various
nutraceutical agents, things like PQQ, I
think chromium as well.
There are a few tablets in the market
that you've got that include those
specific molecules, but I didn't have any
inclination or understanding that you're
going down the the
pharmaceutical rabbit hole.
So that's incredibly interesting.
And yeah, I look forward to
seeing the results of that.
Unfortunately, I'm a synthetic chemist.
I'm a biochemist, so I
can't offer you insight there.
But yeah, that sounds fascinating,
something I'll definitely keep my finger
on the pulse, the pulse on.
Now,
Alex, I've heard you sort of talk about
and discuss various other ways in which
hydrogen can be introduced to the body.
Speaking of other
ideas you have, I suppose.
So looking at it from a topical
standpoint, I know it's inhaled.
Do you think that there's a sort of a
solid future there as well?
I mean, I foresee molecular hydrogen
being utilized from a topical standpoint
to maybe deal with autoimmune conditions
like exomens, rices, where there's a high
inflammatory load locally on the skin.
And obviously, I assume too, just
speculating here that there would be some
sort of anti-aging effects from a
different sort of...
Yeah, wrinkle reduction.
There's actually research showing reduced
wrinkles with bathing in hydrogen water
and algae leaves on fruits.
So I think the future, we're going to
drink it, we're going to bathe in it, and
we're going to inhale it.
And when you look at all three of these
routes of administration, they all have
different pharmacokinetics.
They saturate different
tissues to different extents.
So there is some crossover, but we're
going to be able to identify better and
better as time goes on.
For this model,
we want to say bathe and
inhale or bathe and drink.
And we're going to be able to develop
better suggested protocols.
Now, I do want to say
again with all hermudic agents,
developing these standards in
double-blind RCTs are important from a
population standpoint, but every person
is going to have different results and
you're going to want to adjust it based
on your current state.
But we will be able to identify at least
that inhalation is better for this,
drinking is better for that.
For instance, what I'll say, bathing,
obviously it's getting to a higher
concentration, far higher in your skin,
in your muscle and
connective tissues and such.
Inhaling, it's obviously
getting higher to your lungs.
It's getting substantially higher to your
muscles and skeletal tissue than
drinking, but not bathing.
It's getting higher to your brain than
drinking, but drinking the water is also
activating gut derived hormones like
ghrelin, which have
an effect on the brain.
So I think for brain issues,
you want to inhale and drink.
Drinking is obviously
getting to your gut the best.
It's interacting with
the microbiome the best.
It's getting to your liver
at the highest concentration.
So all of the metabolic outcomes of
hydrogen are our best through drinking
high concentration water, but we're going
to be finding out more
and more as time goes on.
And this is a real area of research focus
to figure out which method at what dose
is optimal for what condition.
And I've dove into the inhalation space
where we're just gearing up to announce
the soft launch of Inhale H2.
That's a project that myself and Dr.
Tyler LeBaron have
worked on for seven years.
He's joined us as our
chief scientific officer.
So this is the first product he has ever
endorsed because he's the co-inventor and
it is truly new and novel.
We are the first inhalation device on the
market that matches what
can be done in the research.
You can basically choose
anywhere from 1% up to 4%
with every decimal point in between of
hydrogen and your time.
But the key is
it's a full
re-breathing mask with a bladder.
We've developed the system
to mimic human breathing.
So every breath you take is that
controlled exact percentage of hydrogen.
Whereas with these cannulas,
you might breathe in a liter, two liters
at once in a deep breath,
but that's in one second.
And now you didn't get
100% of that hydrogen in.
That breath is maybe 0.1% or 1% depending
on the flow rate of H2 because these
nasal cannulas are constant flow rate and
they're trickling in.
And they're a fraction of what your
actual resting rate of inhalation based
on minute ventilation
and tidal volume are.
And most of the H2 is just wrapping up
straight out of your mouth.
Yeah, it's sort of a Hindenburg wake that
happened right there.
Yeah, so we developed this machine to
mimic human breathing and to work like
they're not using any of these machines
from China or Japan
in the clinical trials.
They're mixing gas tanks and sending them
to 60 or 100 liter a minute flow rates so
that every breath you take
is guaranteed to be that dose.
We figured how to do this with these
one-way valves and this inflatable
bladder, where even at a 12 liter a
minute flow rate, you can guarantee that
every breath you take
is the exact percentage.
Yeah, I believe again, correct me if I'm
wrong, but I think the issue with the
Japanese units is that they just
under-dosed the amount of hydrogen.
They got so wrong.
Yeah, they got so wrong.
Yeah, so you ended up underdosing it.
Yeah, so basically, we breathe at rest,
like say sleeping 68 liters a minute.
As we're sitting talking at a computer
like this, we might breathe 10 liters a
minute, 12 liters a minute even.
Most of these machines at the 4% gas are
at a constant flow rate of
one or two liters a minute.
Now, at a constant flow rate, so it's
just coming in at a constant rate, you'd
actually need 60 to 100 liters a minute
to make sure that every
breath you're taking is at 4%.
So that's what we've resolved.
All you can breathe is from the bag.
Everything you get is from our reservoir,
which is a bladder that
fills up and then contracts.
So you can open the door and see the bag
filling up, contracting with your breath
and know that everything
you're getting is just 4%.
That's incredible.
What's the ET on that project again?
So our betas got great feedback.
We've made all the changes.
We're actually just finalizing more of
the processing details.
We're putting out a soft launch offer.
So we have such overwhelming support
between myself and Dr.
LeBaron's connections.
Everyone wants this machine.
The last thing we want to do is order
30,000 of them and find that there's a
problem, like a small problem on the one
that derails our launch.
So we're doing a lot of things.
We're doing a limited launch of a large
but relatively small amount compared to
what the demand is of some really trusted
networks who know both Tyler and I well
and know that we're
going to treat them right.
Because again, even if
everything's great on the machine,
ordering 30,000 machines, selling 10,000
machines a month or something, it's going
to be difficult to scale up enough
service techs like engineers and customer
service and everything to make sure
everyone's getting the experience and the
support that they deserve
and that we want to give them.
So that's why we're doing this soft
launch test order to make sure that we
have the infrastructure enough to scale
up to make sure that everyone is getting
a very high level experience.
Yeah, well, I'll
definitely start saving my pennies.
Just quickly on that one again.
So is this going to be sort of direct to
consumer or do you sort of foresee it
being a sort of a
clinical tool to begin with?
Yeah, so we have a lot of networks of
spas and functional practitioners that
want to be onboarding these, but they'll
also be the direct consumer.
Okay, that's brilliant.
Well, that gives me a bit of hope then.
Alex, I want to be aware of your time, of
course, but I don't think we could have a
conversation about molecular hydrogen
without at least not quickly discussing
hydrogen generators.
Now, as I mentioned earlier, I've
listened to a few past cards you've done
just in preparation for this one.
And I know that they, it's just based on
what you said, the past
that they do seem to struggle.
I know you've mentioned something called
Henry's Law and that there's
an issue with gaskets there.
And the fact that these units can't
necessarily produce the amount of
hydrogen that they do on day one, on
maybe day five or day 10.
Is this something that you
envisage maybe solving yourself?
Is this a problem that
you would like to tackle?
Or is it sort of a bit outside of your
wheelhouse at this point?
So funny enough, I have a patent on a
bottle that uses the
tablet to generate hydrogen
that I developed years ago.
And we knew all these
problems were existed.
And we didn't use Chinese engineers.
We use engineers well
in Canada at the time,
ordered all the parts in, built them
ourselves by hand with
this engineering firm.
What we were getting like concentrated 13
parts per million in these
prototypes we built, right?
So stable, clear, you can drink, we
thought there was going to be great
applications for this, but even getting
gaskets that were rated like five times
higher than what we needed,
not a single one of the units lasted 10
uses before the gaskets were separating.
But even if the gaskets get better, what
we started noticing is the pressure,
because we're getting to 130, 140 PSI of
pressure, it was
starting to unscrew the bolts
from the force.
So we were getting leaking
from all sorts of angles.
And I want to
say that just think about this concept.
This table that my computer is on, maybe
it's rated for 200 pounds.
And say I take a 40 pound weight, and I
drop it from a couple
inches once, table's fine.
But you just keep picking that up and
doing it five times a day, every day.
That reaches a point and not too long
where the table breaks.
Is it a point limit to material fatigue?
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
So this is how these pressurized bottles
work is yes, no matter how
high up you go in the rating,
it's that repeated below
pressure, which eventually breaks.
And just think about how a drop of water
can carve through a mountain,
right?
Just a constant drop over and over.
In time, it will break.
So the question isn't if these machines
can ever not break, they
will always break, right?
It's just how much does it cost to make
sure that they last six months instead of
six days to a couple weeks?
And how much does that cost to do?
So none of these manufacturers seem to
have to be improving on this, which tells
me that to make improvements is going to
drive up the cost so much for not a good
return on longevity.
And like I said,
we were rated, I can't remember, but our
gaskets were rated to something like 750
PSI or something like that.
And still, they all
broke under under 10 uses.
So let me get this right.
So it's a bad solution relative to, say,
the tablets, which have a low barrier to
engine terms and costs have a high yield
in terms of hydrogen that they are.
And they're consistent every time.
So even at their best, these bottles that
are getting up to five parts per million.
Well, that's five parts per million and
typically 250 milliliters.
So that's 1.25 milligrams of each tube.
We're getting 12 parts per million in 500
milliliters if you prepare and drink it
as we suggest, which is
six milligrams of each tube.
So we're getting close to like five times
as much hydrogen when
these bottles are new.
And then all of a sudden, a month later,
now we're getting 30,
40 times more hydrogen.
So even when they're brand new, they are
not getting close to the
dosage that we're getting.
And they break pretty fast.
And not just even if they solve the
gasket issue, there's a secondary issue
of the membranes
slowly start breaking down.
And as they break down, maybe they're
releasing heavy metals.
We don't have the data on that yet.
They're a consumer device.
So they're not legally mandated to post a
long-term safety kind of info like that.
We know that DuPont has put season to
cyst to all the Chinese manufacturers
that they're not allowed to use their
membrane because their membranes aren't
rated for contact with something that's
for human consumption.
So if DuPont is stopping their sales,
saying that this is an intended for human
consumption, that tells
us DuPont knows something.
Or at least to me, it suggests DuPont
might know something that the Chinese
manufacturers don't yet.
So they've almost all switched to their
own membranes now, because DuPont has
removed the ability to use theirs from so
many of these manufacturers.
And those I assume are
questionable as well.
I'd just like to see the data.
I don't want to say definitely this is
going to deliver this or be harmful.
It's just too many questions that I
wouldn't personally use it
until those are answered.
But then the final kicker is to make
these machines, one, you don't want glass
because that becomes a bomb or shrapnel.
So you have to use plastic.
And then with this repeated
pressurization over and over again, how
many microplastics and PFAS are you
getting into the water?
So that's another question.
Yeah, definitely.
Like I said, I think it's just finding a
complex solution to a problem that
already has a simple
answer, in this case, tablets.
Alex, you've been amazing truly, and
maybe it's just me, but I get way more
starstruck talking to someone like you
than I ever would a Tom Cruise type.
Before I let you go, though, and I do
need to let you go, I'm aware of that,
would you be okay if we just ran through
a few rapidish fire questions quickly?
Yeah.
Okay, brilliant.
Thank you.
All right.
So just off the bat,
you mentioned this a second ago, but
what's the best way to
use molecular hydrogen pads?
I think that the best way is
one, room temperature water.
I designed it for room temperature water.
Now, the reason for that is we can't
really guzzle or chug
cold water or hot water.
So we designed it to react ideally in
room temperature water.
You don't want it to be highly alkaline
and not distilled either.
So you want a little bit of electrolytes
like TDS in the water, but really
anywhere from three parts per million to
200 parts per million.
So basically every bottled water on the
market and every re mineralizing RO
system and every tap water source other
than if you're in a well with super hard
water is going to work fine.
Just don't use alkaline ionized water or
highly alkaline mineral water.
Don't use carbonated water, which I know
is a lot more popular in the UK and
Europe than here because then the
hydrogen is competing with the CO2 for
partial pressure and the CO2
wins and it sparges out the H2.
That would screw with the
zeta potential, is that right?
Yeah, so I mean, one, it's going to
disrupt H2, only so much can stay in.
It's not going to allow saturated H2.
There's going to be more collisions which
increases the bubble size
of the quasi dissolved H2.
So it's just going to
lead to a bad result.
I'd say 500 milliliters is what we
designed this for, but the best volume of
water is what you can guzzle rapidly.
So for instance, in the elderly trials,
we use 250 milliliters and most of the
middle aged like metabolic
trials, we use 330 milliliters.
So I guzzle a liter first thing in the
morning, but I'm a big guy and so
exercise a lot and I can chug a liter
first thing in the morning
with a lot of my supplements.
Most people can't.
So I put a few tablets in a
liter and then chug it down.
But again, most people can't do that.
I will say you want to
take it on an empty stomach.
I do have IP demonstrating that hydrogen
in an aqueous solution that has dissolved
polysaccharides retains the H2
nanobubbles and creates gels and foams.
So that's going to
happen in your stomach.
And actually there is data like someone
unaware of my pending IP at the time
about this made these
hydrogen rich like jello.
It was a physicist in Vegas that I ended
up talking to a bunch and he dropped the
project because he found out about my IP.
But they were measuring the hydrogen
leaving in the urine after.
I'm like, well, if it's all leaving in
the urine, then it's not
circulating in your body.
So hydrogen works by
like other hermetic stressors, you want
this spike and then
this return to baseline.
So you want to peak in a valley.
So you don't want to eat it with a meal
heavy and like carbohydrates or fiber
because they're going to retain the H2
and it's not going to hit that rapid
spike into yourselves.
Yeah, definitely.
Next one.
Have you ever thrown down a tablet down
the hatch and then
chased it down with water?
Have you sort of ever done that?
So I have, I don't recommend it because I
have when I'm in a rush, I know Dr.
LaBaron talks about it.
He does it when he's in an absolute rush
and doesn't like he's late walking up the
door, I'm late walking up the door and I
don't have like a minute to spare.
Why you wouldn't want to do that is if
you don't drink enough water, right?
And then you might get some
unpleasantness in your gut.
So we can't recommend that.
People are really, really bad at judging
what enough water is.
You know, I see even
when I see people like,
even people I'm friends with or family
members, I'll see them drop like a tablet
in like 50 milliliters of water.
And I'm like, what do you
think is going on there?
Like, you know, stop doing that.
Right.
So I see that and know that if I tell
people, yeah, you can swallow it and
chase it with water, they're going to
swallow the tablet and take a sip.
Right.
And now that's not nearly enough water.
So you're not going to get
the same therapeutic effect.
But moreover, you're going to potentially
make your stomach upset.
Right.
And long term use of that, maybe you're
going to develop an ulcer or something.
So don't do that.
I mean, there is a way to do it safely,
but there's not a way to advise it to
people who are going to listen and do it
safely, if that makes sense.
Yeah.
Is any, sorry, quick tangent on that one.
Is any exothermic
reaction or heat developed?
That would also be an issue, I'd imagine.
Okay.
Moving on quickly then.
Besides molecular hydrogen, what single
molecule excites you the most when it
comes to supporting health,
supporting human longevity?
That's in the pipeline, perhaps, or
something that may already exist.
Yeah.
I mean, I know we've
talked about Tessa Fencine.
I really like that molecule.
I'm getting it off the black market.
I basically quit drinking and have no
desire to drink alcohol
since I started Tessa Fencine.
I have much less cravings for food.
Other than that, it's hard
to pinpoint a single molecule.
I probably take 100 pills a day, and then
liters of supplemental liquids and stuff.
So it's really, really difficult to
pinpoint one thing, and
especially with everything,
it depends on the context.
For instance,
something like methyl folate.
When I was getting off Tessa ulcerin
replacement and trying
to regain my fertility,
high dose methyl folate, like five
milligrams a day, has been linked to
improving male fertility.
But you only want to do that for a month
or two, because if you're doing that long
term and you're not
countering it with other B-wedding...
Yeah.
I mean, because
absolutely, with something like TMG.
Too many methyl donors.
Yeah.
All right.
It's going to lead to some problems.
Definitely.
I mean, the moment you start playing
around with the methyl folate cycle, the
folate cycle, you've got to be careful
and you've got to have an understanding
of your genetics as well.
Okay.
So I'll skip one.
And the final question is, what's the
next for you on the health front?
Obviously, you've been through this
journey, and I know
there's still a long way to go.
I think you said you were a candidate for
a few different operations.
What is next to you in terms of you
trying to optimize your health, if you
don't mind me asking?
So with me, it's always
just trying to improve.
And I've been getting
rounds of stem cells.
They've helped a little bit.
I need to keep doing that.
I'm really actually excited about some
other protocols that we're seeing in
rodents, but haven't
jumped to humans yet.
There's protocols where they're doing
micro drilling into joints, even if
there's just very small pieces of it and
injecting them not just with stem cells,
but various peptides and
block building molecules.
They're able to completely
regrow joints in rodents now.
But there isn't even the highest end
clinic in the world that's trying these
protocols in humans.
So I'd say that is something I am
desperately looking forward to, to try
and actually regrow the
joints that I've lost.
Yeah, I can only imagine.
Alex, you've been a star.
Truly, I appreciate this
conversation more than you know.
Where can people find you if they do want
to learn more about you, if they do not
want to learn more
about hydrogen tablets?
I assume you would point them to HRW.
And then I know we mentioned it earlier,
but just yet, plug your
book that's coming out shortly.
Yeah, so alexternava.com is my website.
My Instagram is the same at Alexternava.
I have a ResearchGate account that you
can read some of the papers that I've
published or co-authored on.
Again, it's Alexternava, my ResearchGate.
For the tablets, I mean, I
supply to like 100 brands
with the Trink HRW.
I've written a lot of
blog content for them.
There's a lot of good content I wrote.
Some of it is pretty dated.
I would have written it four or five,
six, seven years ago.
But even the dated stuff
is still mostly accurate.
There's just new information that could
be rewritten, but that's
really on them to update it.
I can't be rewriting
stuff for them forever.
But yeah, those would be the best spots.
If you're on my social media or on my
website, you'll see the new podcast
editions that go live.
You'll get announcements
from my books as they're coming.
So I actually released one book, but then
I read it after it had gone
through the editing process.
And I learned a lot because I had
approved every
paragraph that was being edited.
But just looking at the paragraph through
kind of like a keyhole,
and I didn't think to
read it chronologically.
And then it came out and then I pulled it
because I started
reading it chronologically.
I'm like, oh man, this is lost nuance.
It's changed my voice.
It's a little repetitive.
So I pulled it.
That's being rewritten.
But actually, I think it's more fitting
because the book that I wanted to release
first, Stress Hacked, I was going to
release second because the final thought
war was complete and Stress Hacked was
only about 90% complete
when I made this decision.
But now Stress Hacked is
complete going through editing.
So now I'm having to redo the editing of
the final thought war.
So they're going to get reversed, which I
originally wanted it that way anyways.
But I've written to various levels of
finished seven books right now.
So they'll be slowly
released over the next few years.
That's impressive.
I'll definitely be getting
every single one of them.
And as I mentioned during our sort of
initial
correspondence, that's impressive.
So I'm still trying to come
up with the concept for one.
Alex, again, thank you
so much for your time.
This was, again, at the risk of being the
most truly a pleasure.
And I'm just grateful for the opportunity
to talk to you this morning.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Thank you very much for having me.