1 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,416 Hey there, Alex, it's great to finally 2 01:00:01,416 --> 01:00:02,250 connect and to have 3 01:00:02,250 --> 01:00:03,250 you on the podcast today. 4 01:00:03,625 --> 01:00:05,208 I know it's a little early there. 5 01:00:05,208 --> 01:00:07,166 And as you've just mentioned, you've just 6 01:00:07,166 --> 01:00:10,791 got your first born 7 01:00:10,791 --> 01:00:11,666 that's come into your life. 8 01:00:11,666 --> 01:00:13,791 So I really appreciate 9 01:00:13,791 --> 01:00:14,958 the time that you're taking. 10 01:00:16,083 --> 01:00:18,125 Now, familiar, I'm sure that most people 11 01:00:18,125 --> 01:00:20,083 in this space who are familiar with 12 01:00:20,083 --> 01:00:22,041 molecular hydrogen are to at least some 13 01:00:22,041 --> 01:00:24,916 extent familiar with you and your work, 14 01:00:24,958 --> 01:00:26,375 especially as you've been on the podcast 15 01:00:26,375 --> 01:00:29,083 circuit a lot in recent times. 16 01:00:29,375 --> 01:00:30,875 But for those in the audience who maybe 17 01:00:30,875 --> 01:00:33,000 just aren't familiar with you and your 18 01:00:33,041 --> 01:00:35,083 story, would you mind just running us 19 01:00:35,083 --> 01:00:36,916 through how you end up in this space? 20 01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:37,958 Yeah. 21 01:00:38,958 --> 01:00:41,583 So this would be going back about a 22 01:00:41,583 --> 01:00:43,083 decade, maybe a little bit more. 23 01:00:45,750 --> 01:00:47,416 I was in a completely different field. 24 01:00:48,250 --> 01:00:49,875 It gave me a lot of freedom 25 01:00:49,875 --> 01:00:52,333 financially and time wise. 26 01:00:53,416 --> 01:00:55,375 And so my time was 27 01:00:55,375 --> 01:00:57,750 spent largely exercising. 28 01:00:58,041 --> 01:01:02,958 You know, and competing a little bit of 29 01:01:02,958 --> 01:01:05,541 competing and CrossFit, but helping 30 01:01:05,833 --> 01:01:07,083 friends get prepped for 31 01:01:07,083 --> 01:01:08,458 fights in martial arts. 32 01:01:09,250 --> 01:01:10,916 I was training four to six hours a day 33 01:01:10,916 --> 01:01:14,750 and I got hit with the mystery virus. 34 01:01:16,041 --> 01:01:18,666 It caused an autoimmune like response. 35 01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,500 I developed sudden onset narcolepsy. 36 01:01:22,833 --> 01:01:26,500 I was sleeping 16 plus hours a day. 37 01:01:27,500 --> 01:01:28,708 If I sat down for more than 38 01:01:28,708 --> 01:01:29,708 a minute, I'd fall asleep. 39 01:01:29,916 --> 01:01:32,208 That was a narcolepsy aspect. 40 01:01:33,875 --> 01:01:36,083 And I had central nervous system fatigue. 41 01:01:36,708 --> 01:01:39,291 So my strength was normal, but I couldn't 42 01:01:39,291 --> 01:01:40,666 do anything explosive. 43 01:01:41,291 --> 01:01:43,000 Like couldn't jump an inch 44 01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:44,416 off the ground, basically. 45 01:01:45,791 --> 01:01:46,666 Sorry to interrupt. 46 01:01:46,875 --> 01:01:48,833 Was there anything sort of postural then 47 01:01:48,833 --> 01:01:50,333 sort of a sort of a POTS component? 48 01:01:50,583 --> 01:01:51,000 Do you think? 49 01:01:52,166 --> 01:01:55,625 A postural orthostatic hypertension sort 50 01:01:55,625 --> 01:01:57,916 of element to that, just with that sort 51 01:01:57,916 --> 01:02:01,791 of CNS fatigue or it just sort of screams 52 01:02:01,791 --> 01:02:03,833 that sort of 53 01:02:03,833 --> 01:02:05,416 autonomic dysregulation to me. 54 01:02:05,708 --> 01:02:07,541 Or do you think there was another 55 01:02:07,541 --> 01:02:09,875 underlying trigger there? 56 01:02:10,500 --> 01:02:12,750 Yeah, I mean for hypertension, my blood 57 01:02:12,750 --> 01:02:15,666 pressure by memory wasn't that abnormal, 58 01:02:15,958 --> 01:02:19,500 but that was something. 59 01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:22,000 Especially when this happened, my resting 60 01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:23,500 heart rate was in the mid thirties. 61 01:02:23,791 --> 01:02:25,416 My blood pressure was 62 01:02:25,416 --> 01:02:27,000 like a hundred over 70. 63 01:02:27,250 --> 01:02:29,125 I remember it spiked a little bit, but 64 01:02:29,125 --> 01:02:30,666 nothing that the doctor 65 01:02:30,666 --> 01:02:31,625 itself was concerning. 66 01:02:32,166 --> 01:02:33,625 What was the most concerning is my 67 01:02:33,625 --> 01:02:34,916 C-reactive proteins, which 68 01:02:34,916 --> 01:02:36,500 were 35 milligrams a liter. 69 01:02:36,583 --> 01:02:36,958 Wow. 70 01:02:37,958 --> 01:02:38,625 It's like... 71 01:02:38,625 --> 01:02:39,541 Or line cancerous. 72 01:02:40,041 --> 01:02:44,583 Yeah, it's a hundred times abnormal, you 73 01:02:44,583 --> 01:02:46,583 know, and now mine are undetectable. 74 01:02:46,958 --> 01:02:52,625 So, you know, 150, 200 plus times higher 75 01:02:52,625 --> 01:02:54,666 levels of inflammatory 76 01:02:54,666 --> 01:02:57,208 markers than what I currently have. 77 01:02:57,500 --> 01:03:01,833 So that lasted a few months and all of a 78 01:03:01,833 --> 01:03:05,708 sudden the dust cleared and things 79 01:03:05,708 --> 01:03:07,291 started settling back down to normal. 80 01:03:07,291 --> 01:03:10,791 And by normal, I mean my C-R-P dropped to 81 01:03:10,791 --> 01:03:12,958 like three, which is still what you'd 82 01:03:12,958 --> 01:03:14,583 expect when you're sick, 83 01:03:14,583 --> 01:03:15,708 when something is going on. 84 01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:17,375 But not 34. 85 01:03:18,166 --> 01:03:21,416 But when that happened, I had developed 86 01:03:21,416 --> 01:03:23,708 osteoarthritis in 11 joints. 87 01:03:24,250 --> 01:03:25,833 So the high levels of inflammation for 88 01:03:25,833 --> 01:03:28,875 months had basically ravaged every joint 89 01:03:28,875 --> 01:03:31,208 that I'd had a previous injury in. 90 01:03:32,833 --> 01:03:35,041 Doctors told me that I should never work 91 01:03:35,041 --> 01:03:37,583 out again, you know, put me on high 92 01:03:37,583 --> 01:03:40,791 levels of like anti-inflammatories and 93 01:03:40,791 --> 01:03:41,708 cortisone injections. 94 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:43,083 And I just knew that 95 01:03:43,083 --> 01:03:44,416 wasn't a forever solution. 96 01:03:45,083 --> 01:03:48,125 At 29 years old and having my life 97 01:03:48,125 --> 01:03:50,000 largely been about fitness and exercise. 98 01:03:51,208 --> 01:03:54,708 So I just dove deep into what we now call 99 01:03:54,708 --> 01:03:57,291 biohacking and looking for absolutely 100 01:03:57,458 --> 01:03:58,791 anything that could regulate the 101 01:03:58,791 --> 01:03:59,833 inflammatory response. 102 01:04:01,666 --> 01:04:03,291 I came across research on hydrogen, 103 01:04:03,500 --> 01:04:04,625 hydrogen water and bought 104 01:04:04,625 --> 01:04:06,916 a machine for like $5,000. 105 01:04:07,291 --> 01:04:08,541 Went on my Mary Way. 106 01:04:08,791 --> 01:04:11,666 I was doing countless other things, 107 01:04:11,666 --> 01:04:13,916 various supplements, various, you know, 108 01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:17,208 therapies, doing cold exposure, you know, 109 01:04:17,208 --> 01:04:20,833 sauna, like doing all this, this stuff. 110 01:04:21,125 --> 01:04:23,083 And also was doing the 111 01:04:23,083 --> 01:04:24,666 anti-inflammatories in 112 01:04:24,666 --> 01:04:25,541 the cortisone injections. 113 01:04:26,416 --> 01:04:27,708 I must have loved you. 114 01:04:28,541 --> 01:04:32,541 Yeah, about nine months in, I fainted in 115 01:04:32,541 --> 01:04:33,875 the gym a few times. 116 01:04:35,125 --> 01:04:37,750 I wasn't processing my nutrients. 117 01:04:38,291 --> 01:04:39,625 I developed multiple ulcers. 118 01:04:40,291 --> 01:04:42,083 So I had to abruptly stop the 119 01:04:42,083 --> 01:04:42,958 anti-inflammatories. 120 01:04:44,625 --> 01:04:46,541 Then my inflammation spiked again. 121 01:04:47,041 --> 01:04:48,125 All my joints froze. 122 01:04:48,583 --> 01:04:50,583 I couldn't put on a shirt, you know, 123 01:04:50,583 --> 01:04:52,458 couldn't, had to lie down 124 01:04:52,458 --> 01:04:53,916 to put on socks type thing. 125 01:04:54,291 --> 01:04:56,458 And I had to go back to the drawing board 126 01:04:56,458 --> 01:04:58,250 because obviously none of the biohacks I 127 01:04:58,250 --> 01:05:00,250 was doing were properly working. 128 01:05:01,666 --> 01:05:02,833 Only the drugs were working 129 01:05:02,833 --> 01:05:07,625 and dove back into the research. 130 01:05:07,833 --> 01:05:10,750 And I found new studies on hydrogen water 131 01:05:10,750 --> 01:05:11,500 and molecular hydrogen. 132 01:05:12,500 --> 01:05:14,416 And they kind of pissed me off because I 133 01:05:14,416 --> 01:05:16,208 had this $5,000 machine and it was doing 134 01:05:16,208 --> 01:05:19,791 nothing for me, but it just dawned on me. 135 01:05:20,666 --> 01:05:22,666 Well, what dose am I getting and what 136 01:05:22,666 --> 01:05:24,666 dose are they using in the research? 137 01:05:25,208 --> 01:05:27,416 So I started buying the full papers to 138 01:05:27,416 --> 01:05:29,458 read the material and methods, quickly 139 01:05:29,458 --> 01:05:31,250 discovered that not a single one of the 140 01:05:31,250 --> 01:05:35,125 clinical trials was using an electrolysis 141 01:05:35,125 --> 01:05:36,416 machine like I'd bought. 142 01:05:37,291 --> 01:05:38,583 Um, they were all reporting 143 01:05:38,583 --> 01:05:41,041 concentrations and dosages of age two. 144 01:05:41,083 --> 01:05:42,583 I had no idea what I was getting. 145 01:05:43,166 --> 01:05:45,041 I found a reagent to test the hydrogen 146 01:05:45,041 --> 01:05:47,125 and it was undetectable. 147 01:05:47,125 --> 01:05:48,125 I had to triple the 148 01:05:48,125 --> 01:05:49,750 input to detect anything. 149 01:05:50,041 --> 01:05:53,583 So it was, you know, 0.03 parts per 150 01:05:53,583 --> 01:05:56,083 million is what I was getting, which is a 151 01:05:56,083 --> 01:05:59,875 small fraction of the minimum observed 152 01:05:59,875 --> 01:06:01,916 therapeutic threshold to have any 153 01:06:01,916 --> 01:06:03,833 physiological effect and the minimum 154 01:06:03,833 --> 01:06:06,500 threshold to do anything in the body is 155 01:06:06,500 --> 01:06:08,916 not what's going to work or work for the 156 01:06:08,916 --> 01:06:10,916 best, you know, for, for anything. 157 01:06:10,916 --> 01:06:16,125 So that, uh, gave me a bit of hope and 158 01:06:16,125 --> 01:06:18,500 there was nothing commercially available 159 01:06:18,500 --> 01:06:19,333 other than these, 160 01:06:19,333 --> 01:06:21,458 these electrolysis devices. 161 01:06:21,708 --> 01:06:26,125 And, uh, I started doing some tweaking 162 01:06:26,125 --> 01:06:28,666 and then I found there was some emerging 163 01:06:28,666 --> 01:06:30,541 stuff coming out and I started testing 164 01:06:30,541 --> 01:06:32,125 yet it had loads of problems. 165 01:06:32,625 --> 01:06:35,750 But, uh, basically between my own, like 166 01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:38,458 Jerry rigging of getting these reactions 167 01:06:38,458 --> 01:06:41,291 done and trying to maximize it, I started 168 01:06:41,291 --> 01:06:42,916 getting to about three parts per million 169 01:06:42,916 --> 01:06:45,666 and drinking several 170 01:06:45,666 --> 01:06:48,000 liters of the water a day. 171 01:06:48,500 --> 01:06:50,791 Um, I was pressurizing 172 01:06:50,791 --> 01:06:52,291 it in like thermoses. 173 01:06:52,791 --> 01:06:54,791 Um, a few actually exploded in my fridge 174 01:06:54,791 --> 01:06:56,125 from the pressure build up. 175 01:06:56,125 --> 01:07:00,208 Like, so that was a fun issue, but, uh, 176 01:07:00,583 --> 01:07:03,541 within like a week and a half of getting 177 01:07:03,708 --> 01:07:06,500 in this high dosage, daily dosage of 178 01:07:06,500 --> 01:07:09,166 hydrogen, my joints all loosened and I 179 01:07:09,166 --> 01:07:10,708 started feeling energy again and feeling 180 01:07:10,708 --> 01:07:12,958 better and I started thinking, wow, 181 01:07:12,958 --> 01:07:14,166 there's, there's something here. 182 01:07:14,708 --> 01:07:19,500 Um, but, uh, I had a bit of a sober 183 01:07:19,500 --> 01:07:22,166 second thought, um, cause I was using 184 01:07:22,291 --> 01:07:24,583 elemental magnesium, uh, doing this 185 01:07:24,583 --> 01:07:26,916 reaction and I knew enough about the 186 01:07:26,916 --> 01:07:28,916 basic chemistry to know that I'm making 187 01:07:28,916 --> 01:07:31,500 hydrogen, but I'm not a chemist and I 188 01:07:31,541 --> 01:07:32,833 didn't know if there were any side 189 01:07:32,833 --> 01:07:34,375 reactions that were making something 190 01:07:34,416 --> 01:07:36,791 toxic or harmful, uh, am 191 01:07:36,791 --> 01:07:37,666 I doing something wrong? 192 01:07:38,625 --> 01:07:38,833 Exactly. 193 01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:39,875 Are there heavy metals? 194 01:07:40,375 --> 01:07:42,541 Um, so I tested the magnesium I was 195 01:07:42,541 --> 01:07:44,625 getting and I pulled in this magnesium. 196 01:07:44,666 --> 01:07:47,500 I'd found sources in, in like Eastern 197 01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:50,166 Europe and in China, right? 198 01:07:50,208 --> 01:07:53,541 Because the, the stuff controlled in the 199 01:07:53,541 --> 01:07:55,958 U S like eventually, which is what I'm 200 01:07:55,958 --> 01:07:57,375 using, I'm using a pharmaceutical grade 201 01:07:57,375 --> 01:07:59,708 of the magnesium, but I had to go through 202 01:07:59,750 --> 01:08:02,208 an extensive background check to, to get 203 01:08:02,208 --> 01:08:04,041 it and export it, you know, through the 204 01:08:04,041 --> 01:08:05,958 state department, because it's heavily 205 01:08:05,958 --> 01:08:07,625 controlled right in the U S. 206 01:08:08,250 --> 01:08:10,208 Um, and the stuff I was getting in from 207 01:08:10,208 --> 01:08:11,833 Eastern Europe and China was never 208 01:08:11,833 --> 01:08:13,000 labeled as magnesium. 209 01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:14,041 It was always something like 210 01:08:14,041 --> 01:08:17,041 silver paint powder, right? 211 01:08:17,291 --> 01:08:19,166 Like, um, because I learned it was 212 01:08:19,166 --> 01:08:20,250 illegal for them to export. 213 01:08:21,333 --> 01:08:24,000 So, um, I tested it. 214 01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,208 The heavy metals were high, but not 215 01:08:26,208 --> 01:08:28,416 dangerously high, like high to be doing 216 01:08:28,958 --> 01:08:30,416 every day for the rest of my life. 217 01:08:30,625 --> 01:08:30,791 Yeah. 218 01:08:30,791 --> 01:08:31,000 Chronically. 219 01:08:31,541 --> 01:08:31,750 Exactly. 220 01:08:32,500 --> 01:08:35,000 Um, and, uh, uh, uh, 221 01:08:35,208 --> 01:08:36,500 found my founding partner, Dr. 222 01:08:36,500 --> 01:08:37,541 Holland, he, he's a 223 01:08:37,541 --> 01:08:39,875 PhD, uh, organic chemist. 224 01:08:40,083 --> 01:08:40,750 Uh, he's, he's 225 01:08:40,750 --> 01:08:42,416 originally from the UK actually. 226 01:08:43,041 --> 01:08:45,125 Um, and, uh, he's from the pharmaceutical 227 01:08:45,125 --> 01:08:47,583 industry and I asked him to take a look. 228 01:08:47,833 --> 01:08:50,500 At first he told me, I'm 229 01:08:50,500 --> 01:08:51,333 going to save you the money. 230 01:08:51,625 --> 01:08:53,125 This is the worst pseudoscience I've ever 231 01:08:53,125 --> 01:08:55,666 heard in my life and gave me a long list 232 01:08:55,666 --> 01:08:57,750 of reasons why this wouldn't have a 233 01:08:57,750 --> 01:08:58,791 physiological effect. 234 01:08:58,791 --> 01:09:00,125 And even if it did, why you'd want to 235 01:09:00,125 --> 01:09:01,375 inhale rather than drink. 236 01:09:02,291 --> 01:09:04,791 Um, fortunately I had read every single 237 01:09:04,791 --> 01:09:08,416 paper at that time on molecular hydrogen 238 01:09:08,416 --> 01:09:09,416 and its physiological 239 01:09:09,416 --> 01:09:11,500 effects, um, including. 240 01:09:12,666 --> 01:09:15,083 Data head to head from drinking water to 241 01:09:15,083 --> 01:09:17,375 inhalation and the difference in bio 242 01:09:17,416 --> 01:09:18,208 availability and 243 01:09:18,208 --> 01:09:19,375 different organs and tissues. 244 01:09:19,375 --> 01:09:21,500 So I shared this with him. 245 01:09:21,500 --> 01:09:23,583 I rebutted every one of his points and he 246 01:09:23,583 --> 01:09:25,375 said, well, you know, I'm shocked. 247 01:09:25,416 --> 01:09:27,625 I still don't really believe it, but 248 01:09:27,625 --> 01:09:29,375 peers, there's enough for 249 01:09:29,375 --> 01:09:30,291 me to take a look for you. 250 01:09:30,291 --> 01:09:30,541 Sure. 251 01:09:30,541 --> 01:09:31,458 I'll, I'll take a look. 252 01:09:31,458 --> 01:09:31,916 This is my right. 253 01:09:32,958 --> 01:09:35,500 And, uh, he went on looking at my 254 01:09:35,500 --> 01:09:37,750 formulation and the chemistry and every 255 01:09:37,750 --> 01:09:39,625 day I just sent him a new study. 256 01:09:40,083 --> 01:09:42,041 Um, just to pique his interest. 257 01:09:42,041 --> 01:09:44,708 I was really excited at this time because 258 01:09:44,708 --> 01:09:47,333 it had had such a profound effect on my 259 01:09:47,333 --> 01:09:49,000 own health and I want to keep doing it. 260 01:09:49,541 --> 01:09:52,375 Uh, and serendipitous serendipitously, I 261 01:09:52,375 --> 01:09:54,833 sent him a one paper on a certain heart 262 01:09:54,833 --> 01:09:57,958 disease model that I was not aware of, 263 01:09:57,958 --> 01:10:00,000 but he was a lead chemist developing 264 01:10:00,250 --> 01:10:01,833 small molecules to target 265 01:10:01,833 --> 01:10:04,083 that disease at the time. 266 01:10:04,083 --> 01:10:04,875 And it was, uh, 267 01:10:06,125 --> 01:10:09,500 a phase two ish style, like, uh, double 268 01:10:09,500 --> 01:10:10,500 blind clinical trial. 269 01:10:10,833 --> 01:10:13,000 And, uh, he called and asked if I wanted 270 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:14,208 to meet for lunch and that 271 01:10:14,208 --> 01:10:15,958 he had some findings for me. 272 01:10:16,083 --> 01:10:18,166 And, uh, you know, he'd made some tweaks 273 01:10:18,166 --> 01:10:21,333 to, to my formulation, but importantly, 274 01:10:21,333 --> 01:10:22,750 he wanted to talk about that paper. 275 01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,625 And he said the other papers he were, he 276 01:10:25,625 --> 01:10:27,000 was just having to trust the conclusions 277 01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:29,000 because he wasn't really a subject matter 278 01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,166 expert, but, uh, he remarked that he was 279 01:10:32,791 --> 01:10:35,708 on this model and told me he was 280 01:10:35,708 --> 01:10:37,375 developing small molecules for it. 281 01:10:37,708 --> 01:10:40,500 And he wishes the molecules, his company 282 01:10:40,500 --> 01:10:42,958 was developing worked as well as this 283 01:10:43,041 --> 01:10:45,500 paper, and he basically said, are you 284 01:10:45,500 --> 01:10:47,250 sure you just want this as a do it 285 01:10:47,250 --> 01:10:48,000 yourself project, 286 01:10:48,416 --> 01:10:49,958 like nobody's doing this. 287 01:10:49,958 --> 01:10:51,500 Shouldn't like you're sure you don't want 288 01:10:51,500 --> 01:10:52,250 to commercialize this. 289 01:10:53,333 --> 01:10:54,166 And, uh, 290 01:10:55,541 --> 01:10:57,250 I thought long and hard about it. 291 01:10:57,541 --> 01:10:59,500 Um, you know, I, I thought 292 01:10:59,500 --> 01:11:01,166 who am I to enter this field? 293 01:11:01,166 --> 01:11:02,041 I have no background 294 01:11:02,041 --> 01:11:03,500 in this field, right? 295 01:11:04,208 --> 01:11:06,958 Um, I, uh, don't want to go into 296 01:11:06,958 --> 01:11:09,083 something that requires expertise and 297 01:11:09,083 --> 01:11:10,416 just be pushing something 298 01:11:10,416 --> 01:11:11,500 that I don't understand. 299 01:11:12,208 --> 01:11:12,625 Um, 300 01:11:13,666 --> 01:11:16,375 but I'd also promised myself because I 301 01:11:16,375 --> 01:11:19,583 abandoned some business ideas that years 302 01:11:19,583 --> 01:11:23,500 later, other people thought of and, and 303 01:11:23,500 --> 01:11:25,291 you know, what went and distributed. 304 01:11:26,041 --> 01:11:28,333 So I promised myself that I'd never let 305 01:11:28,333 --> 01:11:31,333 an opportunity like that slip again. 306 01:11:32,208 --> 01:11:33,708 Um, so I started doing my due diligence. 307 01:11:33,833 --> 01:11:37,125 I spoke to attorneys, uh, the first 308 01:11:37,125 --> 01:11:39,375 attorney I spoke to, um, 309 01:11:41,166 --> 01:11:43,416 cause I was thinking about raising, you 310 01:11:43,416 --> 01:11:45,750 know, funds and if I was going to need 311 01:11:45,750 --> 01:11:47,375 to, and I didn't want to, but if I was 312 01:11:47,375 --> 01:11:48,791 going to need to, what it would go and 313 01:11:48,791 --> 01:11:49,500 strap this. 314 01:11:49,500 --> 01:11:49,666 Yeah. 315 01:11:49,833 --> 01:11:50,041 Yeah. 316 01:11:50,416 --> 01:11:53,208 And, uh, he basically like I told him 317 01:11:53,208 --> 01:11:55,000 what I was doing and the research. 318 01:11:55,500 --> 01:11:58,541 And, uh, um, by this time we'd actually 319 01:11:58,541 --> 01:12:00,125 developed a tablet that was working. 320 01:12:01,041 --> 01:12:03,333 And after an hour meeting, he said, 321 01:12:03,333 --> 01:12:04,958 listen, I'm not going to charge you for 322 01:12:04,958 --> 01:12:06,666 this meeting and I'm not going to charge 323 01:12:06,666 --> 01:12:07,833 you to get all this set up. 324 01:12:07,916 --> 01:12:10,000 So long as you shake my hand and say that 325 01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:10,583 I'm going to be your 326 01:12:10,583 --> 01:12:12,708 corporate attorney as you get going. 327 01:12:12,750 --> 01:12:17,458 So that gave me even more faith that, 328 01:12:17,458 --> 01:12:20,875 okay, like maybe like there's something 329 01:12:20,875 --> 01:12:22,750 here, there's something here, right. 330 01:12:22,750 --> 01:12:23,250 And I'm getting this 331 01:12:23,250 --> 01:12:23,958 kind of encouragement. 332 01:12:24,250 --> 01:12:27,541 And then I, I, uh, hand pressed bottles 333 01:12:27,541 --> 01:12:31,333 for about, you know, 40, 50 friends, 334 01:12:31,333 --> 01:12:32,916 family members, friends of friends that 335 01:12:32,916 --> 01:12:34,958 we're dealing with various chronic like 336 01:12:34,958 --> 01:12:35,958 pain issues, like, 337 01:12:35,958 --> 01:12:38,041 especially like exercise related. 338 01:12:38,750 --> 01:12:40,625 And the response was just overwhelming. 339 01:12:40,916 --> 01:12:42,250 Everyone's like, what did you give me? 340 01:12:42,291 --> 01:12:44,000 This is, this is like magic. 341 01:12:44,250 --> 01:12:46,125 Like this is fixing this or fixing that. 342 01:12:46,375 --> 01:12:49,500 And all of these, uh, confirmations along 343 01:12:49,500 --> 01:12:50,583 the way kept me going. 344 01:12:50,833 --> 01:12:52,291 Um, the first year, year 345 01:12:52,291 --> 01:12:53,708 and a half was arduous. 346 01:12:54,291 --> 01:12:56,958 Um, it only took a few weeks for us to 347 01:12:56,958 --> 01:12:58,791 finalize the formulation and a mortar and 348 01:12:58,791 --> 01:13:01,083 pestle and making 20 at a time, but 349 01:13:01,083 --> 01:13:04,083 making millions at high speed is a 350 01:13:04,083 --> 01:13:05,125 different beast entirely. 351 01:13:05,875 --> 01:13:09,333 And it was 15 failed scale of attempts 352 01:13:09,333 --> 01:13:12,416 over a year and 3000 iterative 353 01:13:12,416 --> 01:13:14,208 adjustments to formulation and process 354 01:13:14,208 --> 01:13:15,625 before we got our first working 355 01:13:16,041 --> 01:13:18,250 formulation that didn't work nearly as 356 01:13:18,250 --> 01:13:20,375 well as those firsthand pressed tablets. 357 01:13:20,875 --> 01:13:24,208 You know, and, and to be frank, um, even 358 01:13:24,208 --> 01:13:25,875 the tablet we have today doesn't work 359 01:13:25,875 --> 01:13:27,375 quite as well as the first hand pressed 360 01:13:27,375 --> 01:13:29,500 tablets because everything you do in 361 01:13:29,500 --> 01:13:31,666 manufacturing can take away, but we're 362 01:13:31,666 --> 01:13:35,458 pretty darn close to, to what we did day 363 01:13:35,458 --> 01:13:40,625 one, but now we're at least 10,000 get of 364 01:13:40,625 --> 01:13:43,166 adjustments into formulation process to 365 01:13:43,166 --> 01:13:45,083 continue refining, continue perfecting 366 01:13:45,083 --> 01:13:47,333 and be able to make it high speed, but 367 01:13:47,333 --> 01:13:49,833 now I had a working product and I can 368 01:13:49,833 --> 01:13:54,333 make it, but the next question was, do I 369 01:13:54,333 --> 01:13:58,166 want to just be like a zealot believer 370 01:13:58,166 --> 01:14:01,583 or, or do I want to put my money where my 371 01:14:01,583 --> 01:14:05,208 mouth is and see if this does work 372 01:14:05,208 --> 01:14:07,416 because I can't look 373 01:14:07,416 --> 01:14:08,625 at myself in the mirror. 374 01:14:08,625 --> 01:14:11,375 I can't sleep if I think that I'm just 375 01:14:11,375 --> 01:14:13,041 being a fraud, right. 376 01:14:13,041 --> 01:14:13,875 And don't know. 377 01:14:14,458 --> 01:14:16,500 So I set out on the next task. 378 01:14:16,708 --> 01:14:19,166 I emailed every first and corresponding 379 01:14:19,166 --> 01:14:23,875 author on every single human study on 380 01:14:23,875 --> 01:14:26,083 hydrogen at the time and quite a number 381 01:14:26,083 --> 01:14:29,041 of the rodent studies offering free 382 01:14:29,083 --> 01:14:31,083 product, free placebo and donations. 383 01:14:32,041 --> 01:14:34,958 If they wanted to use my tablet in the 384 01:14:34,958 --> 01:14:37,333 research, I got some bites that kept 385 01:14:37,333 --> 01:14:39,500 going and, uh, I'm a 386 01:14:39,500 --> 01:14:41,041 big believer in truth. 387 01:14:41,375 --> 01:14:46,625 So how most companies conduct research is 388 01:14:46,625 --> 01:14:48,166 when they're paying for research is under 389 01:14:48,166 --> 01:14:51,750 a research agreements, um, and results 390 01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:53,083 can only be published 391 01:14:53,083 --> 01:14:55,291 if the funding body. 392 01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:58,333 Like agree with the findings. 393 01:14:58,500 --> 01:14:58,791 Right. 394 01:14:59,250 --> 01:15:00,625 I just don't believe that's ethical. 395 01:15:00,875 --> 01:15:04,291 We don't know the truth if we don't know 396 01:15:04,291 --> 01:15:06,791 what doesn't get published because if it 397 01:15:07,083 --> 01:15:08,916 takes a company 10 times to find the 398 01:15:08,916 --> 01:15:10,333 result they want, then it doesn't work. 399 01:15:10,791 --> 01:15:12,125 Didn't work nine times. 400 01:15:12,666 --> 01:15:12,875 Right. 401 01:15:13,583 --> 01:15:15,000 Um, so cherry picking 402 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:15,791 dates are just based. 403 01:15:16,083 --> 01:15:16,708 Yeah, exactly. 404 01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:18,416 And this has allowed us, like we have 405 01:15:18,416 --> 01:15:19,541 over 20 clinical trials. 406 01:15:19,541 --> 01:15:21,208 Now we have more clinical trials underway 407 01:15:21,208 --> 01:15:23,625 than we have published, but because at 408 01:15:23,625 --> 01:15:26,416 every step of the way, um, I'm allowing 409 01:15:26,416 --> 01:15:30,666 researchers to publish no matter what the 410 01:15:30,666 --> 01:15:31,916 outcomes are, right? 411 01:15:31,916 --> 01:15:33,333 They can publish if it doesn't work, they 412 01:15:33,333 --> 01:15:34,791 can publish if it shows harm. 413 01:15:35,250 --> 01:15:37,583 This allows them to get grants, you know, 414 01:15:37,583 --> 01:15:40,791 from governmental bodies and agencies and 415 01:15:40,791 --> 01:15:41,583 their, their 416 01:15:41,583 --> 01:15:43,208 institutions to pay their salaries. 417 01:15:43,666 --> 01:15:47,041 So the research we've done would have 418 01:15:47,041 --> 01:15:49,416 probably cost in the nine figures, but 419 01:15:49,875 --> 01:15:53,125 it's cost us maybe a 420 01:15:53,125 --> 01:15:54,083 million or $2 million. 421 01:15:54,333 --> 01:15:55,750 I haven't done the math, right? 422 01:15:55,750 --> 01:15:58,500 But we've done the research for one, 100, 423 01:15:58,708 --> 01:16:00,375 the cost of what most private companies 424 01:16:00,375 --> 01:16:04,833 do because we are taking this risk and we 425 01:16:04,833 --> 01:16:05,916 want truth to prevail. 426 01:16:06,208 --> 01:16:09,125 And if we find out, if we found out it 427 01:16:09,125 --> 01:16:10,750 didn't work or it's harming people, then 428 01:16:10,750 --> 01:16:12,041 I wouldn't have been able to continue on 429 01:16:12,041 --> 01:16:13,083 in the business anyways. 430 01:16:13,666 --> 01:16:13,833 Right. 431 01:16:13,916 --> 01:16:17,458 So I didn't want to be beholden to this 432 01:16:17,458 --> 01:16:20,916 whole like shareholder primacy, which is 433 01:16:20,916 --> 01:16:22,208 the biggest evil that's befall in the 434 01:16:22,208 --> 01:16:24,666 Western world that I have to do 435 01:16:24,666 --> 01:16:27,250 everything to protect earnings, you know, 436 01:16:27,708 --> 01:16:30,291 either this is showing that it's working 437 01:16:30,291 --> 01:16:32,500 and helping people or it's not right. 438 01:16:32,750 --> 01:16:34,791 Because I can always find something else 439 01:16:34,791 --> 01:16:40,250 to be my purpose and make money, but I'm 440 01:16:40,291 --> 01:16:42,875 not going to do anything for 441 01:16:42,875 --> 01:16:44,125 the purpose of making money. 442 01:16:44,875 --> 01:16:45,083 Right. 443 01:16:45,083 --> 01:16:47,083 Money is a tool for your purpose. 444 01:16:47,083 --> 01:16:48,208 It's not the purpose. 445 01:16:48,708 --> 01:16:48,958 Right. 446 01:16:48,958 --> 01:16:50,375 So that's why I 447 01:16:50,375 --> 01:16:51,500 structured things the way I do. 448 01:16:51,750 --> 01:16:55,833 And at this time now we have 21 structure 449 01:16:55,833 --> 01:16:58,291 function claims legal to like FTC, FDA 450 01:16:58,416 --> 01:17:00,458 standards in the U S uh, like I 451 01:17:00,458 --> 01:17:01,708 mentioned, we have over 20 clinical 452 01:17:01,708 --> 01:17:03,250 trials, a bunch of preclinical trials. 453 01:17:03,583 --> 01:17:06,958 We have more clinical trials on the 454 01:17:06,958 --> 01:17:09,208 hydrogen tablets than every other 455 01:17:09,208 --> 01:17:10,250 commercial hydrogen 456 01:17:10,250 --> 01:17:11,958 water product combined. 457 01:17:12,500 --> 01:17:13,000 And we have more 458 01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,333 underway than we have published. 459 01:17:15,916 --> 01:17:18,375 So our lead is just growing because of 460 01:17:18,375 --> 01:17:21,666 our philosophy for truth and for science. 461 01:17:22,083 --> 01:17:25,375 And, uh, again, really it's, it was a put 462 01:17:25,375 --> 01:17:27,083 in your money where your mouth is like 463 01:17:27,083 --> 01:17:29,250 I'm a believer, but I'm 464 01:17:29,250 --> 01:17:31,000 ready to be proven wrong. 465 01:17:31,541 --> 01:17:31,833 Right. 466 01:17:31,833 --> 01:17:33,875 And let's see what the data shows. 467 01:17:34,666 --> 01:17:35,625 Well, thank you for that. 468 01:17:35,625 --> 01:17:36,666 That was the most comprehensive 469 01:17:36,666 --> 01:17:38,333 introduction I've ever had from anyone. 470 01:17:38,416 --> 01:17:40,541 So that was amazing. 471 01:17:40,875 --> 01:17:42,208 And it definitely just speaks testament 472 01:17:42,208 --> 01:17:43,708 not only to your character, but the 473 01:17:43,708 --> 01:17:45,250 amount of effort you put into this and 474 01:17:45,250 --> 01:17:47,625 just trying to overcome your own issues. 475 01:17:48,583 --> 01:17:50,375 Um, I'd love to come back to the tablets 476 01:17:50,375 --> 01:17:51,750 a little later on the conversation. 477 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:52,500 That's okay. 478 01:17:52,500 --> 01:17:54,250 So I've got a few more questions there, 479 01:17:54,250 --> 01:17:56,791 uh, but just kind of a quick tangent. 480 01:17:56,791 --> 01:17:58,500 I mean, I can't do a podcast without 481 01:17:58,500 --> 01:18:00,416 talking, uh, going on tangent quickly. 482 01:18:00,916 --> 01:18:03,375 Uh, did you ever find out what was really 483 01:18:03,375 --> 01:18:06,250 triggering, uh, your, your RA or the 484 01:18:06,250 --> 01:18:07,625 other subsequent issues, what is sort of 485 01:18:07,625 --> 01:18:09,375 mold issue or anything like that? 486 01:18:09,750 --> 01:18:11,500 Or they, they, they think 487 01:18:11,500 --> 01:18:13,041 it was a viral infection. 488 01:18:13,875 --> 01:18:14,041 Right. 489 01:18:14,458 --> 01:18:16,041 Um, it might've hit me 490 01:18:16,041 --> 01:18:17,000 a little bit different. 491 01:18:17,166 --> 01:18:19,250 Uh, so my roommate at the time who was 492 01:18:19,250 --> 01:18:22,000 also a high level computing athlete, um, 493 01:18:22,333 --> 01:18:23,291 it hit him different. 494 01:18:23,500 --> 01:18:25,083 He, uh, had to go to 495 01:18:25,083 --> 01:18:26,000 the hospital a few times. 496 01:18:26,000 --> 01:18:26,625 He had pneumonia. 497 01:18:27,125 --> 01:18:28,333 He missed a few weeks of work. 498 01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,875 Um, he didn't have the 499 01:18:30,875 --> 01:18:32,000 long lasting effects I did. 500 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,000 I think what might've contributed to what 501 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:39,500 happened to me is about a month prior. 502 01:18:40,416 --> 01:18:44,541 Um, I stupidly competed in the CrossFit 503 01:18:44,541 --> 01:18:47,000 competition about two days 504 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:48,250 after I'd had food poisoning. 505 01:18:50,125 --> 01:18:54,500 And that left me so wrecked that I had 506 01:18:54,500 --> 01:18:56,333 like borderline Rabdo. 507 01:18:56,333 --> 01:18:57,666 Like I couldn't walk up the stairs. 508 01:18:58,375 --> 01:19:00,833 Like I slept on the couch because like in 509 01:19:00,833 --> 01:19:02,708 my house, I was on the second floor and 510 01:19:02,708 --> 01:19:04,958 like, I couldn't make it up the stairs. 511 01:19:05,208 --> 01:19:07,875 So like for a couple of days, I slept on 512 01:19:07,875 --> 01:19:10,666 the couch downstairs as my legs were like 513 01:19:10,666 --> 01:19:13,416 shaking and, you know, not recovering. 514 01:19:14,250 --> 01:19:16,208 Um, yeah, yeah. 515 01:19:16,583 --> 01:19:18,041 Again, I should have dropped out of that 516 01:19:18,041 --> 01:19:20,625 competition, but I was 29 and stupid and 517 01:19:20,625 --> 01:19:21,416 thought I was invincible. 518 01:19:21,958 --> 01:19:26,708 So I imagine that gut disruption and 519 01:19:26,708 --> 01:19:30,500 severe stress following of trying to 520 01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:33,625 compete after food poisoning is what 521 01:19:33,625 --> 01:19:35,875 triggered the response 522 01:19:35,875 --> 01:19:37,000 to the virus that I got. 523 01:19:38,291 --> 01:19:38,458 Yeah. 524 01:19:38,458 --> 01:19:40,708 And I, I, I, I'm not going to judge you. 525 01:19:40,708 --> 01:19:42,000 I grew up a competitive 526 01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,750 cyclist and, uh, it's different. 527 01:19:44,750 --> 01:19:45,625 It's a lovely sport. 528 01:19:45,625 --> 01:19:47,208 It's very safe until you fall off in 529 01:19:47,208 --> 01:19:48,208 which case it's not. 530 01:19:48,208 --> 01:19:49,166 But yeah, and I sort of 531 01:19:49,166 --> 01:19:50,291 trained myself into living. 532 01:19:50,500 --> 01:19:54,500 I gave myself, uh, a benign bradycardia, 533 01:19:54,500 --> 01:19:56,916 uh, used, yeah, same vibe. 534 01:19:56,916 --> 01:20:00,000 Used to sort of train until you threw up 535 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:01,750 in your nose, bled, and then sort of 536 01:20:01,750 --> 01:20:03,291 wiped it down and just carried on. 537 01:20:03,291 --> 01:20:04,833 And this is, and then all of a sudden you 538 01:20:04,833 --> 01:20:07,208 hit that critical threshold and your 20s, 539 01:20:07,208 --> 01:20:07,875 where everything just 540 01:20:07,875 --> 01:20:09,000 starts to fall apart. 541 01:20:09,208 --> 01:20:12,291 There's a quote from a jujitsu competitor 542 01:20:12,291 --> 01:20:13,708 that I like quite a bit. 543 01:20:14,250 --> 01:20:15,833 Um, when you hit 30, 544 01:20:15,833 --> 01:20:17,166 you no longer get injured. 545 01:20:17,166 --> 01:20:17,791 You start collecting 546 01:20:17,791 --> 01:20:19,000 permanent disabilities. 547 01:20:21,791 --> 01:20:22,333 Like that. 548 01:20:23,291 --> 01:20:24,166 Um, yeah. 549 01:20:24,208 --> 01:20:27,166 And I think, yeah, there's definitely a 550 01:20:27,166 --> 01:20:28,708 law of diminishing returns, as you know, 551 01:20:28,708 --> 01:20:31,333 when it comes to, uh, to exercise. 552 01:20:31,666 --> 01:20:33,541 And I suppose it's, it's, it's quite a 553 01:20:33,541 --> 01:20:35,250 nice sort of way to sort of segue into 554 01:20:35,250 --> 01:20:36,125 the rest of the conversation. 555 01:20:36,333 --> 01:20:37,708 It's a bit of an automatic stress is a 556 01:20:37,708 --> 01:20:39,791 good thing, but too much is detrimental. 557 01:20:40,458 --> 01:20:40,666 Yeah. 558 01:20:40,666 --> 01:20:43,125 I mean, this is a book I'm writing that I 559 01:20:43,125 --> 01:20:45,541 hope to release by about July called the 560 01:20:45,541 --> 01:20:47,125 Stress Hacked and it's not 561 01:20:47,125 --> 01:20:48,916 just the body, it's the mind. 562 01:20:49,208 --> 01:20:50,125 So it's two books. 563 01:20:50,583 --> 01:20:51,833 Um, they meet in the center. 564 01:20:52,541 --> 01:20:54,666 You know, inverted kind of like yin yang, 565 01:20:54,666 --> 01:20:56,541 because we can't be strong in body 566 01:20:56,625 --> 01:20:58,541 without strength of mind and we can't be 567 01:20:58,541 --> 01:21:00,333 strong in the mind without health and 568 01:21:00,333 --> 01:21:01,958 strength and figure in the body. 569 01:21:02,750 --> 01:21:05,291 Um, but all of that, uh, I mean, hydrogen 570 01:21:05,291 --> 01:21:06,458 is a hormetic stress. 571 01:21:06,458 --> 01:21:07,708 It's just a very mild one. 572 01:21:07,875 --> 01:21:08,041 Right. 573 01:21:08,583 --> 01:21:10,375 And with every hormetic stress, whether 574 01:21:10,375 --> 01:21:12,416 it's emotional, psychological, whether 575 01:21:12,416 --> 01:21:15,083 it's physical, uh, you need a certain 576 01:21:15,083 --> 01:21:17,208 threshold for it to be therapeutic. 577 01:21:17,708 --> 01:21:18,708 But if you go too 578 01:21:18,708 --> 01:21:19,916 much, it can be harmful. 579 01:21:20,416 --> 01:21:22,791 And typically when you do too much, it's 580 01:21:22,791 --> 01:21:25,458 more harmful than the absence of it. 581 01:21:26,208 --> 01:21:29,666 And, uh, the right dose for any type of 582 01:21:29,666 --> 01:21:31,375 stress, whether it's physical or mental 583 01:21:32,750 --> 01:21:35,500 depends not just on the individual, but 584 01:21:35,500 --> 01:21:38,083 intra individual every day. 585 01:21:38,541 --> 01:21:40,083 What other stress do you have? 586 01:21:40,083 --> 01:21:41,666 What is your current state? 587 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:42,291 Right. 588 01:21:42,458 --> 01:21:44,541 So that CrossFit competition that, that 589 01:21:44,541 --> 01:21:47,791 ruined me was no harder than any other 590 01:21:47,916 --> 01:21:49,916 one I'd done or my usual training. 591 01:21:50,500 --> 01:21:53,208 But because I just had food poisoning a 592 01:21:53,208 --> 01:21:55,500 couple of days before it was too hard. 593 01:21:56,291 --> 01:21:57,333 The entirety of that sort 594 01:21:57,333 --> 01:21:58,750 of LST at load as it were. 595 01:21:58,958 --> 01:21:59,916 Exactly. 596 01:22:00,208 --> 01:22:00,416 Right. 597 01:22:00,500 --> 01:22:02,875 And this is what a lot of 598 01:22:02,875 --> 01:22:03,708 people don't understand. 599 01:22:03,875 --> 01:22:07,083 And what I see is the big problem that a 600 01:22:07,083 --> 01:22:09,500 lot of people, even medical doctors are 601 01:22:09,666 --> 01:22:13,125 recommending universal protocols. 602 01:22:14,458 --> 01:22:14,666 Right. 603 01:22:14,916 --> 01:22:19,541 That this is your longevity stack of like 604 01:22:19,541 --> 01:22:21,750 core meat expressors and everyone should 605 01:22:21,750 --> 01:22:24,458 do this exact thing every day. 606 01:22:24,750 --> 01:22:26,000 And it's insane. 607 01:22:26,541 --> 01:22:31,125 And it really speaks to poor 608 01:22:31,125 --> 01:22:33,416 comprehension of how hormesis works and 609 01:22:33,416 --> 01:22:34,500 how our physiology works. 610 01:22:35,583 --> 01:22:35,958 Yeah. 611 01:22:35,958 --> 01:22:37,375 No, I couldn't agree more on this. 612 01:22:37,375 --> 01:22:38,916 I think it's definitely something we can 613 01:22:38,916 --> 01:22:40,375 come back to a bit later on. 614 01:22:41,125 --> 01:22:42,291 Um, yeah, my apologies. 615 01:22:42,750 --> 01:22:44,041 Uh, I'm the king of tangents. 616 01:22:44,125 --> 01:22:46,458 I am ADHD on top of everything else, but, 617 01:22:46,458 --> 01:22:49,291 uh, I'd like to maybe take a step back 618 01:22:49,375 --> 01:22:50,833 quickly if that's okay, Alex. 619 01:22:50,833 --> 01:22:53,875 And then, and talk more about, um, how 620 01:22:53,875 --> 01:22:57,166 molecular hydrogen is working now, uh, in 621 01:22:57,166 --> 01:22:58,875 our sort of initial discussion, I want 622 01:22:58,875 --> 01:23:00,958 you to go down the, the sort of the 623 01:23:00,958 --> 01:23:03,708 mechanism of hydrogen ions and how they 624 01:23:03,708 --> 01:23:06,041 sort of drive the production of ATP 625 01:23:06,041 --> 01:23:07,000 through the electron 626 01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:08,208 transfer chain, all of that. 627 01:23:08,208 --> 01:23:10,583 And you thankfully put me on the right 628 01:23:10,583 --> 01:23:13,708 track and, and sort of, uh, uh, yeah. 629 01:23:13,958 --> 01:23:15,583 Sort of pointed the conversation more 630 01:23:15,583 --> 01:23:17,291 towards sort of the semitic side of 631 01:23:17,291 --> 01:23:19,250 things, which is what we'll discuss now. 632 01:23:19,625 --> 01:23:23,000 Um, but as sort of a molecular level, I 633 01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:25,125 mean, you've, you've already sort of, uh, 634 01:23:25,125 --> 01:23:26,791 alluded to it with this discussion about 635 01:23:26,791 --> 01:23:30,041 hormesis, but how is molecular hydrogen 636 01:23:30,333 --> 01:23:32,666 fundamentally working to improve the 637 01:23:32,666 --> 01:23:35,041 function of the cell of the mitochondria 638 01:23:35,041 --> 01:23:36,708 and subsequently improve 639 01:23:36,708 --> 01:23:38,583 the health of the individual? 640 01:23:40,666 --> 01:23:44,750 It's closest to, to hormesis, but it's 641 01:23:44,750 --> 01:23:47,166 not really hormesis because we haven't 642 01:23:47,166 --> 01:23:48,000 found the upper limit 643 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,250 where it's, uh, harmful. 644 01:23:50,833 --> 01:23:54,250 It's sort of like an anticipatory stress 645 01:23:54,250 --> 01:23:57,625 with which our body expects to be a 646 01:23:57,625 --> 01:24:00,541 stress, but is so mild that it never 647 01:24:00,541 --> 01:24:01,791 seems to appear toxic. 648 01:24:02,750 --> 01:24:03,958 Um, now we clearly 649 01:24:03,958 --> 01:24:05,000 evolved to anticipate this. 650 01:24:05,500 --> 01:24:06,000 Um, 651 01:24:07,291 --> 01:24:09,500 if you look at our last 652 01:24:09,500 --> 01:24:10,750 universal common ancestor, 653 01:24:11,875 --> 01:24:13,125 it actually fed on hydrogen 654 01:24:13,125 --> 01:24:15,250 as its fuel source, right? 655 01:24:15,250 --> 01:24:16,666 That spawned all life on the planet. 656 01:24:17,333 --> 01:24:18,750 Um, our mitochondria came from 657 01:24:18,750 --> 01:24:20,583 eukaryotes, which was sort of like a 658 01:24:20,583 --> 01:24:22,750 handshake deal between, you know, a 659 01:24:22,750 --> 01:24:24,041 hydrogen producing and a hydrogen 660 01:24:24,041 --> 01:24:28,000 consuming, you know, organism and, uh, 661 01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:31,000 uh, went out to that, that carried on 662 01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,541 through us now in living things, 663 01:24:34,541 --> 01:24:35,000 including the, uh, the, the, the, the, 664 01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:36,416 the, the, the, humans, we all have 665 01:24:36,416 --> 01:24:39,083 bacteria that produces hydrogen gas and 666 01:24:39,083 --> 01:24:42,125 much more relevant to human evolution. 667 01:24:43,083 --> 01:24:46,041 Um, we make our H2 668 01:24:46,041 --> 01:24:48,291 endogenously by fermenting fiber. 669 01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:54,708 Now, if you look at, uh, the diet or 670 01:24:54,708 --> 01:24:56,666 ancestral diets in our hunter-gatherer 671 01:24:56,708 --> 01:24:59,750 stages before the last 10,000 years of 672 01:24:59,750 --> 01:25:01,666 modern horticulture, we were consuming 673 01:25:01,833 --> 01:25:03,833 100 to 150 grams of 674 01:25:03,833 --> 01:25:05,250 dietary fiber per day. 675 01:25:06,250 --> 01:25:06,458 Right? 676 01:25:06,666 --> 01:25:08,208 Tremendous amounts. 677 01:25:09,583 --> 01:25:11,166 Today, the average person in the Western 678 01:25:11,166 --> 01:25:13,750 world gets 10 to 15 grams, but that 679 01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:15,375 includes raw food vegans, 680 01:25:16,083 --> 01:25:17,625 who are getting like 60 to 80. 681 01:25:18,291 --> 01:25:20,375 The average person on a standard American 682 01:25:20,375 --> 01:25:23,000 diet, eating a fast food and takeout food 683 01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:24,958 diet, is getting zero to 684 01:25:24,958 --> 01:25:26,458 three grams of fiber a day. 685 01:25:27,000 --> 01:25:28,625 Want to talk about the carnivores? 686 01:25:29,291 --> 01:25:29,500 Yeah. 687 01:25:29,750 --> 01:25:29,958 Yeah. 688 01:25:30,750 --> 01:25:33,500 Bacteria is like any other living thing. 689 01:25:34,166 --> 01:25:35,916 If you stop feeding it, it dies. 690 01:25:37,583 --> 01:25:40,250 We now know that even supplementing with 691 01:25:40,250 --> 01:25:42,625 fiber, for a lot of these people, once 692 01:25:42,625 --> 01:25:44,125 you hit middle age, you've had a poor 693 01:25:44,125 --> 01:25:46,208 diet, you haven't eaten fiber your life, 694 01:25:47,166 --> 01:25:49,125 the hydrogen producing bacteria have died 695 01:25:49,125 --> 01:25:52,000 off and what has taken over are 696 01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,416 methanogens, which are producing methane 697 01:25:55,125 --> 01:25:56,375 right instead and 698 01:25:56,375 --> 01:25:57,875 actually consuming hydrogen. 699 01:25:58,500 --> 01:26:00,000 So you end up with this hydrogen 700 01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:03,333 deficiency and hydrogen seems to be this 701 01:26:03,333 --> 01:26:05,958 ancient signal that we have. 702 01:26:07,000 --> 01:26:10,083 So yes, there's a very, very mild direct 703 01:26:10,166 --> 01:26:11,000 stress to the 704 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:15,000 mitochondria that attenuates NFKB. 705 01:26:15,583 --> 01:26:16,916 So that's how it's regulating our 706 01:26:16,916 --> 01:26:18,291 inflammatory responses. 707 01:26:18,583 --> 01:26:21,541 It's activating the NRF2 pathway. 708 01:26:21,541 --> 01:26:23,375 That's how it's regulating the redox 709 01:26:23,375 --> 01:26:25,541 status, the harmony between our 710 01:26:25,541 --> 01:26:27,208 endogenous antioxidants and our 711 01:26:27,208 --> 01:26:28,875 beneficial stressors, right? 712 01:26:28,875 --> 01:26:30,000 Like nitric oxide and 713 01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,791 H2O2 and H2S and so forth. 714 01:26:34,208 --> 01:26:36,583 So hydrogen is kind of this supervisor. 715 01:26:37,166 --> 01:26:40,541 It's a signal that comes and the dials 716 01:26:40,541 --> 01:26:41,333 start getting turned. 717 01:26:41,958 --> 01:26:46,000 So hydrogen doesn't activate or inhibit 718 01:26:46,000 --> 01:26:47,791 anything universally. 719 01:26:48,500 --> 01:26:50,125 You look at all of these markers that we 720 01:26:50,125 --> 01:26:51,583 see in the literature and there's 721 01:26:51,583 --> 01:26:55,458 examples of hydrogen activating them or 722 01:26:55,458 --> 01:26:57,958 attenuating inhibiting them, right? 723 01:26:58,333 --> 01:27:00,375 Depending on the context, but always for 724 01:27:00,375 --> 01:27:01,333 a beneficial response. 725 01:27:02,125 --> 01:27:04,750 So for instance, in the longevity space, 726 01:27:04,750 --> 01:27:06,250 a lot of people talk about autophagy. 727 01:27:06,833 --> 01:27:08,041 When you think that you always want to 728 01:27:08,041 --> 01:27:09,708 activate autophagy, which is simply not 729 01:27:09,708 --> 01:27:11,625 true, there's a lot of instances where 730 01:27:11,625 --> 01:27:13,625 you do not want autophagy activated. 731 01:27:14,291 --> 01:27:16,833 So hydrogen in many instances activates 732 01:27:16,833 --> 01:27:20,875 autophagy, but in key instances in the 733 01:27:20,958 --> 01:27:24,416 research, it has completely inhibited 734 01:27:24,416 --> 01:27:26,541 autophagy, such as after drowning 735 01:27:26,541 --> 01:27:28,208 resuscitation, after 736 01:27:28,208 --> 01:27:29,708 heart failure, right? 737 01:27:29,708 --> 01:27:31,000 These are instances you don't want 738 01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:32,208 autophagy happening and 739 01:27:32,208 --> 01:27:33,375 hydrogen's inhibited them. 740 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:35,208 It's the same thing with 741 01:27:35,208 --> 01:27:38,000 oxidative stress and inflammation. 742 01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:39,208 Now, 743 01:27:40,458 --> 01:27:44,458 these are important parts of our 744 01:27:44,458 --> 01:27:45,666 physiological function. 745 01:27:45,958 --> 01:27:48,083 What's dangerous about them is when 746 01:27:48,083 --> 01:27:50,000 they're chronically dysregulated, either 747 01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,416 too much or too little. 748 01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:54,291 More often than not, it's too much, but 749 01:27:54,291 --> 01:27:55,000 there are plenty of 750 01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:56,375 instances where it's too little. 751 01:27:57,125 --> 01:28:00,166 So for instance, a lot of antioxidants, 752 01:28:01,125 --> 01:28:03,375 like they, one don't work. 753 01:28:03,583 --> 01:28:05,625 The research has shown that high dose 754 01:28:05,625 --> 01:28:08,375 antioxidant therapy leads to higher 755 01:28:08,375 --> 01:28:09,750 all-cause mortality. 756 01:28:10,791 --> 01:28:11,000 Reductive stress. 757 01:28:11,541 --> 01:28:13,000 Yeah, reductive stress, exactly. 758 01:28:14,458 --> 01:28:16,750 So antioxidants can be good for some 759 01:28:16,750 --> 01:28:19,083 people, some of the time, because if 760 01:28:19,083 --> 01:28:21,208 you're in chronic oxidative stress and 761 01:28:21,208 --> 01:28:22,500 you have some more antioxidants, it can 762 01:28:22,500 --> 01:28:23,250 bring you back down. 763 01:28:23,583 --> 01:28:25,083 But if you're just loading up the dose 764 01:28:25,083 --> 01:28:26,541 and taking more and more and more, and 765 01:28:26,541 --> 01:28:28,458 you're doing that every day, you reach a 766 01:28:28,458 --> 01:28:29,875 point where you went to reductive stress, 767 01:28:29,875 --> 01:28:30,500 which is just as 768 01:28:30,500 --> 01:28:32,208 harmful as oxidative stress. 769 01:28:34,125 --> 01:28:37,375 Hydrogen actually is not doing this. 770 01:28:37,375 --> 01:28:38,541 It's regulating our 771 01:28:38,541 --> 01:28:39,500 endogenous productions. 772 01:28:39,500 --> 01:28:41,666 It's not working as a direct antioxidant. 773 01:28:42,333 --> 01:28:45,375 So there's some cool research in say rats 774 01:28:45,375 --> 01:28:46,541 to enforce swim tests. 775 01:28:47,458 --> 01:28:51,458 And this is a model that we use to 776 01:28:51,458 --> 01:28:53,250 evaluate stress, you 777 01:28:53,250 --> 01:28:54,833 know, exercise induced stress. 778 01:28:56,333 --> 01:28:58,875 In the hydrogen plus force swim test 779 01:28:58,875 --> 01:29:01,666 group, the rats actually see a higher 780 01:29:01,666 --> 01:29:02,875 spike in oxidative 781 01:29:02,875 --> 01:29:03,708 stress and inflammation. 782 01:29:04,291 --> 01:29:05,916 So their stress response gets 783 01:29:05,916 --> 01:29:08,041 potentiated, but then they rebound to 784 01:29:08,041 --> 01:29:09,250 homeostatic function faster. 785 01:29:09,500 --> 01:29:10,625 So it's as if they worked out 786 01:29:10,625 --> 01:29:11,541 harder and recovered quicker. 787 01:29:11,958 --> 01:29:14,750 So hydrogen is not blunting the the 788 01:29:14,750 --> 01:29:16,458 hermitic stress response, the adaptive 789 01:29:16,458 --> 01:29:17,666 stress response of 790 01:29:17,666 --> 01:29:19,791 stressors like exercise. 791 01:29:20,250 --> 01:29:21,708 It's in fact potentiating 792 01:29:21,708 --> 01:29:23,208 them, but then protecting 793 01:29:24,250 --> 01:29:26,250 against dysregulation and bringing you 794 01:29:26,250 --> 01:29:28,125 back to harmony faster. 795 01:29:28,583 --> 01:29:30,333 So all the jumbos can relax about them 796 01:29:30,333 --> 01:29:32,541 taking it's not like taking high dose of 797 01:29:32,541 --> 01:29:34,666 urgency off your workout and then just, 798 01:29:35,166 --> 01:29:35,833 yeah, it's not gonna 799 01:29:35,833 --> 01:29:37,833 bludger hypertrophy gains at all, right? 800 01:29:37,833 --> 01:29:39,208 It's actually gonna potentiate them. 801 01:29:40,250 --> 01:29:41,375 So that's really interesting. 802 01:29:41,916 --> 01:29:44,500 And this is what we're seeing. 803 01:29:44,875 --> 01:29:46,666 And hydrogen is doing 804 01:29:46,666 --> 01:29:47,708 this for a lot of markers. 805 01:29:48,041 --> 01:29:49,208 I know in our talks you 806 01:29:49,208 --> 01:29:51,208 mentioned PGC1 alpha, right? 807 01:29:51,416 --> 01:29:54,875 And a lot of these markers that are 808 01:29:54,875 --> 01:29:57,083 linked to things like caloric restriction 809 01:29:57,083 --> 01:29:59,875 and fasting, hydrogen seems to mimic them 810 01:29:59,875 --> 01:30:02,166 sometimes, you know, 811 01:30:02,166 --> 01:30:03,375 in the right context. 812 01:30:03,958 --> 01:30:08,041 Now, what I find very interesting, and I 813 01:30:08,041 --> 01:30:11,916 still don't have a full grasp on what 814 01:30:11,916 --> 01:30:13,125 this means from an evolutionary 815 01:30:13,125 --> 01:30:17,833 standpoint, but throughout our 816 01:30:17,833 --> 01:30:20,083 hunter-gatherer phase, our times of 817 01:30:20,083 --> 01:30:22,250 caloric restriction were typically the 818 01:30:22,250 --> 01:30:23,833 inability to hunt and 819 01:30:23,833 --> 01:30:25,458 secure meat and fat. 820 01:30:26,041 --> 01:30:27,500 So we would have relied on more 821 01:30:27,500 --> 01:30:33,166 plant-based food sources, which back then 822 01:30:33,166 --> 01:30:35,375 had far more fiber and 823 01:30:35,375 --> 01:30:36,958 were less calorically dense. 824 01:30:37,458 --> 01:30:38,333 So we would have been getting enough 825 01:30:38,333 --> 01:30:40,458 nutrients and enough fiber, but we 826 01:30:40,458 --> 01:30:41,250 wouldn't have been getting enough 827 01:30:41,250 --> 01:30:43,500 calories and enough protein, right? 828 01:30:44,041 --> 01:30:46,416 Going into this deep like fasting-like 829 01:30:46,416 --> 01:30:48,416 state, this caloric restriction that 830 01:30:48,416 --> 01:30:49,583 activates all these pathways. 831 01:30:50,500 --> 01:30:50,666 Well, 832 01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:53,583 interestingly, during these 833 01:30:53,583 --> 01:30:55,875 times of famine and fasting, 834 01:30:57,000 --> 01:30:59,125 their hydrogen, endogenously, would have 835 01:30:59,125 --> 01:31:02,541 been amplified, like our ancestors, 836 01:31:03,041 --> 01:31:04,250 because they would have been eating more 837 01:31:04,250 --> 01:31:05,791 and more plant-based 838 01:31:05,791 --> 01:31:07,041 foods full of more fiber. 839 01:31:07,375 --> 01:31:08,375 So they would have been getting these 840 01:31:08,375 --> 01:31:12,166 huge erratic spikes of hydrogen, which 841 01:31:12,166 --> 01:31:14,083 perhaps protected them 842 01:31:14,083 --> 01:31:15,583 in these times of famine. 843 01:31:15,958 --> 01:31:20,083 And perhaps this is a signal that we've 844 01:31:20,083 --> 01:31:22,375 brought with us to modern times. 845 01:31:22,791 --> 01:31:23,583 So what's the 846 01:31:23,583 --> 01:31:24,958 protein-sparing effect, do you think? 847 01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,416 Well, we do know there's one interesting 848 01:31:27,416 --> 01:31:31,500 study in Drosophilia, where they 849 01:31:32,958 --> 01:31:36,250 stop food source on these fruit flies to 850 01:31:36,250 --> 01:31:37,166 see how long they survive. 851 01:31:37,916 --> 01:31:39,041 And the group that's been 852 01:31:40,625 --> 01:31:42,541 supplemented with molecular hydrogen, 853 01:31:43,125 --> 01:31:44,958 they survive for substantially longer. 854 01:31:45,916 --> 01:31:49,000 Then, you know, the 855 01:31:49,000 --> 01:31:50,333 fruit flies have the control. 856 01:31:51,250 --> 01:31:52,291 So there's some 857 01:31:52,291 --> 01:31:53,458 interesting factors there. 858 01:31:53,458 --> 01:31:57,000 Again, not only is it activating these 859 01:31:57,000 --> 01:32:00,333 caloric restriction-type pathways, but 860 01:32:00,333 --> 01:32:02,583 it's preventing death 861 01:32:02,583 --> 01:32:04,583 and harm from extended. 862 01:32:05,166 --> 01:32:07,833 So it's regulating our response to these 863 01:32:07,833 --> 01:32:08,791 physiological stressors. 864 01:32:09,750 --> 01:32:11,916 Yeah, that's fascinating. 865 01:32:13,833 --> 01:32:15,125 Okay, well, you've 866 01:32:15,125 --> 01:32:16,750 definitely answered all my questions. 867 01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:20,250 And I'm glad to see that you sort of at 868 01:32:20,250 --> 01:32:22,250 least agree on the fact that, well, 869 01:32:22,708 --> 01:32:24,250 sorry, post-cholesterol words, that you 870 01:32:24,250 --> 01:32:27,875 like my idea that it's going to also 871 01:32:27,875 --> 01:32:30,291 support mitochondrial biogenesis by way 872 01:32:30,291 --> 01:32:33,375 of potentially upregulating PGC1 alpha, 873 01:32:33,833 --> 01:32:36,916 which for the audience is a, I think, is 874 01:32:36,916 --> 01:32:38,000 technically speaking transcription 875 01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,166 factor, that then drives the production 876 01:32:40,166 --> 01:32:42,083 of more of these 877 01:32:42,083 --> 01:32:43,458 mitochondria within the body, 878 01:32:44,541 --> 01:32:47,166 which for most people, and which is 879 01:32:47,166 --> 01:32:49,500 something I think a lot of people seem to 880 01:32:49,500 --> 01:32:52,000 forget about is they don't realize that 881 01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:53,875 there is this high level of mitochondrial 882 01:32:53,916 --> 01:32:55,791 turnover that's constantly happening. 883 01:32:56,500 --> 01:32:59,083 And as you alluded to earlier, like 884 01:32:59,083 --> 01:32:59,708 everything else, 885 01:32:59,708 --> 01:33:01,041 mitochondria become damaged. 886 01:33:01,375 --> 01:33:03,583 And when you're in a highly inflamed 887 01:33:03,583 --> 01:33:07,458 state, you're going to not only lose the 888 01:33:07,458 --> 01:33:09,125 capacity of those mitochondria, but 889 01:33:09,125 --> 01:33:09,583 you're also going to 890 01:33:09,583 --> 01:33:12,250 lose mitochondria in tandem. 891 01:33:12,500 --> 01:33:14,291 I mean, I'm sure you're familiar with Dr. 892 01:33:14,458 --> 01:33:15,333 Robert Navier's work on 893 01:33:15,333 --> 01:33:16,166 the cell danger response. 894 01:33:17,833 --> 01:33:18,500 I'd be actually quite 895 01:33:18,500 --> 01:33:19,875 interested to see what he thinks. 896 01:33:20,166 --> 01:33:21,000 Are you familiar with 897 01:33:21,000 --> 01:33:22,000 the cell danger response? 898 01:33:22,875 --> 01:33:25,250 No, no, not off the top of my head. 899 01:33:25,583 --> 01:33:27,000 Okay, so Dr. 900 01:33:27,208 --> 01:33:29,916 Navier, it's more of a thing in the sort 901 01:33:29,916 --> 01:33:31,333 of the CFSME community. 902 01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:34,000 Obviously, people are struggling with, 903 01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:35,666 yeah, your chronic 904 01:33:35,666 --> 01:33:37,583 fatigue syndromes, but Dr. 905 01:33:37,583 --> 01:33:40,208 Navier posits essentially that when the 906 01:33:40,208 --> 01:33:44,125 cell is stressed, the mitochondria 907 01:33:44,125 --> 01:33:46,541 particularly is going to go into what's 908 01:33:46,541 --> 01:33:51,750 called a cell danger response state. 909 01:33:52,791 --> 01:33:55,208 And it's going to inhibit it, which is 910 01:33:55,208 --> 01:33:57,458 going to inhibit the ability to utilize 911 01:33:57,458 --> 01:34:01,583 fatty acids to drive ATP to production 912 01:34:01,583 --> 01:34:03,750 through oxidative phosphorylation, and 913 01:34:03,750 --> 01:34:05,125 that they're then going to 914 01:34:05,291 --> 01:34:07,500 sort of rely more on glycolysis. 915 01:34:08,750 --> 01:34:14,625 And in doing so, you are going to down 916 01:34:14,625 --> 01:34:16,791 regulate the metabolism of that cell to 917 01:34:16,791 --> 01:34:20,458 the extent that it actually is not able 918 01:34:20,458 --> 01:34:23,083 to, yeah, that you then start to lose the 919 01:34:23,083 --> 01:34:25,458 ability of that cell to effectively 920 01:34:25,458 --> 01:34:28,000 communicate with neighboring cells, but 921 01:34:28,000 --> 01:34:30,708 also just to produce ATP 922 01:34:30,708 --> 01:34:34,166 in the effective range. 923 01:34:35,333 --> 01:34:37,000 And you cycle through what is essentially 924 01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,500 cell danger, CDR1, 2, and 3. 925 01:34:41,833 --> 01:34:44,583 And individuals who are in this CDR state 926 01:34:44,583 --> 01:34:47,333 tend to sort of get stuck in CDR1 and 2, 927 01:34:47,666 --> 01:34:48,208 which are these 928 01:34:48,208 --> 01:34:50,333 states of cellular arrest. 929 01:34:51,083 --> 01:34:53,875 And I'm just sort of trying to plug it 930 01:34:53,875 --> 01:34:55,541 all together here, but I would be kind of 931 01:34:55,541 --> 01:34:57,833 interested to see what 932 01:34:57,833 --> 01:35:01,125 molecular hydrogen would do 933 01:35:02,416 --> 01:35:03,750 just with regards to his work. 934 01:35:04,125 --> 01:35:05,250 I'd be happy to send you 935 01:35:05,250 --> 01:35:07,500 this information on his work. 936 01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,875 Yeah, send it all, I'll 937 01:35:09,875 --> 01:35:11,416 take a deeper look for sure. 938 01:35:11,791 --> 01:35:15,083 Yeah, no, I think it's definitely one of 939 01:35:15,083 --> 01:35:18,833 the metabolic theories that explains a 940 01:35:18,833 --> 01:35:22,166 lot of cellular dysfunction and not only 941 01:35:22,166 --> 01:35:25,333 chronic fatigue, but why people get stuck 942 01:35:25,333 --> 01:35:28,833 in a state of chronic inflammation and in 943 01:35:28,833 --> 01:35:30,416 a state of chronic hyper 944 01:35:30,416 --> 01:35:33,958 immune reactivity as well. 945 01:35:35,625 --> 01:35:39,500 Alex, I'd love to have a deeper dive into 946 01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:42,000 hydrogen and the gut. 947 01:35:42,833 --> 01:35:44,875 Now, I know you've talked about this 948 01:35:44,875 --> 01:35:46,833 previously, and maybe I'm butchering 949 01:35:46,833 --> 01:35:49,583 this, so please feel free 950 01:35:49,583 --> 01:35:50,625 to correct me if I'm wrong. 951 01:35:51,333 --> 01:35:53,500 But from what I understand, hydrogen is 952 01:35:53,500 --> 01:35:57,125 involved in the production of short-chain 953 01:35:57,125 --> 01:35:58,375 fatty acids, is that correct? 954 01:35:59,500 --> 01:36:03,291 So we don't know the exact mechanisms 955 01:36:03,291 --> 01:36:06,500 yet, but we have shown in research that 956 01:36:06,500 --> 01:36:10,125 it can increase certain short-chain fatty 957 01:36:10,125 --> 01:36:11,833 acids like propionic 958 01:36:11,833 --> 01:36:14,041 acid, butyrate acetate. 959 01:36:14,750 --> 01:36:17,041 There's been quite a number of studies 960 01:36:17,041 --> 01:36:18,708 showing improvements to the microbiome. 961 01:36:20,041 --> 01:36:22,333 We have again shown with the tablets that 962 01:36:22,333 --> 01:36:25,291 we can reduce calprotectin, so there is a 963 01:36:25,291 --> 01:36:26,208 lot of gut protective 964 01:36:26,208 --> 01:36:27,250 effects that are happening. 965 01:36:27,541 --> 01:36:30,958 We can activate hormones in the gut, like 966 01:36:30,958 --> 01:36:34,291 we've regulated ghrelin and GLP1 in 967 01:36:34,291 --> 01:36:36,166 clinical trials and pre-clinical trials. 968 01:36:36,541 --> 01:36:40,458 So there's a lot of gut-based responses 969 01:36:40,458 --> 01:36:44,666 that are happening that mechanistically 970 01:36:44,666 --> 01:36:48,583 we do need to uncover more, but it could 971 01:36:48,583 --> 01:36:52,416 in part be due to this constant ebb and 972 01:36:52,416 --> 01:36:57,291 flow of gases that we have in our gut 973 01:36:57,291 --> 01:37:02,541 right now, and how modern lifestyle has 974 01:37:02,541 --> 01:37:05,583 dramatically shifted this dynamic away 975 01:37:05,583 --> 01:37:07,625 from what we evolved to expect. 976 01:37:08,458 --> 01:37:11,291 So by supplementing with high-dose 977 01:37:11,291 --> 01:37:13,708 hydrogen, especially for the gut water 978 01:37:13,708 --> 01:37:16,041 because it's getting into your gut, this 979 01:37:16,041 --> 01:37:20,083 could be basically substituting for what 980 01:37:20,083 --> 01:37:22,166 we're lacking in our lifestyle. 981 01:37:23,541 --> 01:37:26,208 Okay, and just on that train of thought, 982 01:37:26,916 --> 01:37:28,541 if you've got more of these short-chain 983 01:37:28,541 --> 01:37:30,916 fatty acids, one would assume that you're 984 01:37:30,916 --> 01:37:33,500 going to sort of develop more acrimensia 985 01:37:33,500 --> 01:37:35,875 and other beneficial bacteria. 986 01:37:35,875 --> 01:37:36,916 They're not only going to increase. 987 01:37:37,666 --> 01:37:39,500 There is some research that hydrogen can 988 01:37:39,500 --> 01:37:41,458 increase acrimensia too. 989 01:37:42,166 --> 01:37:43,500 Okay, or directly. 990 01:37:44,541 --> 01:37:49,166 Yeah, well, that supplementing with 991 01:37:49,166 --> 01:37:50,375 hydrogen water leads to 992 01:37:50,375 --> 01:37:52,000 higher levels of acrimensia. 993 01:37:52,208 --> 01:37:52,833 Now, whether that's 994 01:37:52,833 --> 01:37:54,541 direct or not, we don't know. 995 01:37:54,958 --> 01:37:57,166 Most of the things hydrogen is doing is 996 01:37:57,166 --> 01:37:59,333 indirect because when it's tipping the 997 01:37:59,333 --> 01:38:03,541 scales on our system and it's dialing up, 998 01:38:03,541 --> 01:38:05,458 dialing down in all these various ways, 999 01:38:05,875 --> 01:38:06,833 there are countless 1000 01:38:06,833 --> 01:38:10,583 downstream changes that occur. 1001 01:38:11,708 --> 01:38:16,583 So with everything hydrogen, it seems to 1002 01:38:16,583 --> 01:38:18,875 be largely systemic, at least to the 1003 01:38:18,875 --> 01:38:19,958 tissues that are 1004 01:38:19,958 --> 01:38:21,083 being properly saturated. 1005 01:38:23,166 --> 01:38:25,500 So it's still unraveling the rat's nest 1006 01:38:25,500 --> 01:38:28,958 of what's downstream of what 1007 01:38:28,958 --> 01:38:33,000 in terms of hydrogen's action. 1008 01:38:33,791 --> 01:38:37,041 Yeah, and then just on the GLP1 side of 1009 01:38:37,041 --> 01:38:38,750 things, have you done any investigations 1010 01:38:38,750 --> 01:38:43,250 or research as your team into the 1011 01:38:43,250 --> 01:38:46,583 metabolic effects of hydrogen, maybe say 1012 01:38:46,583 --> 01:38:49,000 relative something like GLP1 agonist? 1013 01:38:49,750 --> 01:38:51,666 Is there any data out there to show that 1014 01:38:51,666 --> 01:38:53,458 these compounds are effective at helping 1015 01:38:53,458 --> 01:38:56,375 to regulate those satiety hormones? 1016 01:38:57,583 --> 01:39:00,166 So we have, I think it's now seven 1017 01:39:00,166 --> 01:39:02,125 clinical trials showing substantial 1018 01:39:02,125 --> 01:39:03,916 improvements in body composition and 1019 01:39:03,916 --> 01:39:08,250 metabolic health, including ones that are 1020 01:39:08,250 --> 01:39:10,000 under peer review right now. 1021 01:39:10,625 --> 01:39:12,750 We've regulated, like I mentioned, GLP1. 1022 01:39:12,750 --> 01:39:14,708 We returned the peaks and valleys to 1023 01:39:14,708 --> 01:39:17,666 ghrelin showing proper hunger responses. 1024 01:39:18,750 --> 01:39:21,708 We've modulated the neurochemistry 1025 01:39:21,708 --> 01:39:22,833 involved in satiety. 1026 01:39:24,333 --> 01:39:27,333 We consistently show improvements in 1027 01:39:27,333 --> 01:39:29,458 various metabolic markers as well, such 1028 01:39:29,458 --> 01:39:30,958 as blood sugar insulin, cholesterol, 1029 01:39:30,958 --> 01:39:34,041 triglycerides, everything like that. 1030 01:39:35,125 --> 01:39:37,000 Again, it's going to be a lot more subtle 1031 01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:42,166 than throttling a GLP1 agonist full time, 1032 01:39:42,666 --> 01:39:46,583 but hydrogen isn't a sledgehammer, right? 1033 01:39:46,583 --> 01:39:51,250 What it is, is it's a fine tool to 1034 01:39:51,250 --> 01:39:54,833 recalibrate and then over time, your body 1035 01:39:54,833 --> 01:39:57,666 slowly gets more and more efficient and 1036 01:39:57,666 --> 01:40:01,500 does things more and more properly in how 1037 01:40:01,500 --> 01:40:05,000 we evolve to behave. 1038 01:40:06,541 --> 01:40:08,041 But it's not going to be 1039 01:40:08,041 --> 01:40:10,208 shocking changes overnight. 1040 01:40:10,666 --> 01:40:12,083 We're seeing the best metabolic effects 1041 01:40:12,083 --> 01:40:14,125 after three months, six months. 1042 01:40:14,125 --> 01:40:15,875 The longer you take hydrogen, the better 1043 01:40:15,875 --> 01:40:16,708 the results are getting. 1044 01:40:17,333 --> 01:40:19,083 Yeah, no, I mean, that makes perfect 1045 01:40:19,083 --> 01:40:22,000 sense, of course, because I think people 1046 01:40:22,000 --> 01:40:23,000 take this sort of very reductionist view of appetite at the moment 1047 01:40:23,125 --> 01:40:27,208 anywhere that it's just GLP1. 1048 01:40:27,791 --> 01:40:30,375 But when you're in an inflamed state, and 1049 01:40:30,375 --> 01:40:32,458 as most people struggling with metabolic 1050 01:40:32,458 --> 01:40:35,958 disease are, you're going to have high 1051 01:40:35,958 --> 01:40:37,083 levels of inflammation, you're going to 1052 01:40:37,083 --> 01:40:38,708 have low levels of dopamine, you're going 1053 01:40:38,708 --> 01:40:41,750 to have dysregulated ghrelin, 1054 01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:44,416 dysregulated leptin signaling, all of 1055 01:40:44,416 --> 01:40:44,916 which are going to 1056 01:40:44,916 --> 01:40:46,000 feed into this cascade. 1057 01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:48,041 It's not just about the GLP1. 1058 01:40:48,333 --> 01:40:53,333 And subsequently, yeah, if you can work 1059 01:40:53,333 --> 01:40:56,041 to improve that environment, to sort of 1060 01:40:56,041 --> 01:40:59,791 re-model or regain that homeostasis, I 1061 01:40:59,791 --> 01:41:01,375 would have met with something like 1062 01:41:01,375 --> 01:41:03,583 molecular hydrogen, I would assume that 1063 01:41:03,583 --> 01:41:07,541 you are then rebalancing the entire 1064 01:41:07,541 --> 01:41:09,583 satiety system within the body. 1065 01:41:10,916 --> 01:41:13,333 And I suppose it's just taking a sort of 1066 01:41:13,333 --> 01:41:15,541 a root scores approach to it apart from a 1067 01:41:15,541 --> 01:41:17,791 post as you sort of mentioned, just 1068 01:41:17,791 --> 01:41:20,333 that's rocking GLP1 and hoping to god you 1069 01:41:20,333 --> 01:41:20,833 don't end up with 1070 01:41:20,833 --> 01:41:22,458 pancreatitis in 10 years time. 1071 01:41:23,791 --> 01:41:25,000 Yeah, and that's the thing. 1072 01:41:25,375 --> 01:41:27,083 Hydrogen is, it's not 1073 01:41:27,083 --> 01:41:29,916 acting like how we define a drug. 1074 01:41:29,916 --> 01:41:33,208 It's not having a direct effect on a 1075 01:41:33,208 --> 01:41:34,208 certain receptor, 1076 01:41:34,666 --> 01:41:37,458 right, or enzyme in the body. 1077 01:41:37,458 --> 01:41:39,625 Like hydrogen is playing this regulatory 1078 01:41:39,625 --> 01:41:42,500 role, like a supervisor within our cell 1079 01:41:42,500 --> 01:41:45,458 that's directing subtle changes, and then 1080 01:41:45,458 --> 01:41:48,083 our body starts to correct its own path. 1081 01:41:49,125 --> 01:41:49,666 Yeah, definitely. 1082 01:41:51,166 --> 01:41:53,208 What do you think about the idea of sort 1083 01:41:53,208 --> 01:41:57,291 of running a GLP1 alongside 1084 01:41:58,416 --> 01:41:59,750 something like molecular hydrogen? 1085 01:42:00,291 --> 01:42:03,625 I know it's a bit of a blunt, a sort of 1086 01:42:03,625 --> 01:42:06,041 low hanging question, and definitely 1087 01:42:06,041 --> 01:42:07,250 something that you'd want to 1088 01:42:07,250 --> 01:42:08,333 sort of just clip on a reel. 1089 01:42:09,083 --> 01:42:11,291 But I think that's something that people 1090 01:42:11,291 --> 01:42:12,625 would want to be interested in. 1091 01:42:12,916 --> 01:42:16,125 Is that, I mean, just speaking from your 1092 01:42:16,125 --> 01:42:18,000 own position, would that be something 1093 01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:20,833 that you would sort of well endorse, but 1094 01:42:20,833 --> 01:42:21,291 at least 1095 01:42:21,291 --> 01:42:23,791 hypothetically say is a good idea? 1096 01:42:24,500 --> 01:42:27,625 So actually, this gets into what I think 1097 01:42:27,625 --> 01:42:29,166 is the future of the research. 1098 01:42:29,958 --> 01:42:34,500 And we've now published a number, I think 1099 01:42:34,500 --> 01:42:36,458 half a dozen of preclinical trials. 1100 01:42:36,791 --> 01:42:39,541 And we have many more that are either 1101 01:42:39,541 --> 01:42:42,875 under peer review, under manuscript prep, 1102 01:42:42,875 --> 01:42:46,083 or in planning, where we're utilizing 1103 01:42:47,208 --> 01:42:50,083 concurrent use of the hydrogen tablet 1104 01:42:50,083 --> 01:42:51,750 delivering an approved pharmaceutical 1105 01:42:51,750 --> 01:42:54,250 ingredient, right, an active 1106 01:42:54,250 --> 01:42:55,458 pharmaceutical ingredient. 1107 01:42:55,875 --> 01:42:58,083 What we're finding over and over again is 1108 01:42:58,083 --> 01:43:02,041 that hydrogen is acting synergistically 1109 01:43:02,041 --> 01:43:05,541 to potentiate the responses of these 1110 01:43:05,541 --> 01:43:06,791 drugs, while also 1111 01:43:06,791 --> 01:43:08,875 mitigating the side effects, right? 1112 01:43:09,333 --> 01:43:11,500 So it could lead to futures where a lot 1113 01:43:11,500 --> 01:43:13,333 of these drugs, we can be delivering them 1114 01:43:13,333 --> 01:43:18,250 in much smaller dosages, also reducing 1115 01:43:18,250 --> 01:43:21,500 the side effects, getting better results 1116 01:43:21,500 --> 01:43:23,375 and improving people's health, because 1117 01:43:23,375 --> 01:43:25,958 there are many, many instances where we 1118 01:43:25,958 --> 01:43:27,000 do need direct pharmaceutical 1119 01:43:27,208 --> 01:43:28,500 intervention, you know, 1120 01:43:28,500 --> 01:43:30,208 for a lot of specific states. 1121 01:43:30,875 --> 01:43:34,041 So actually, there's certain, you know, 1122 01:43:34,791 --> 01:43:38,791 GLP1 agonist molecules that are available 1123 01:43:38,791 --> 01:43:41,541 in say powder form that we've identified 1124 01:43:41,541 --> 01:43:44,458 on our shortlist to be doing research to 1125 01:43:44,458 --> 01:43:49,416 look at the combination usage of them 1126 01:43:49,416 --> 01:43:50,208 with the hydrogen 1127 01:43:50,208 --> 01:43:51,541 tablet as a delivery method. 1128 01:43:51,916 --> 01:43:56,000 And this is a future channel I am going 1129 01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:58,791 into that we're actively going down. 1130 01:43:59,375 --> 01:44:02,208 It is exploring the use of the hydrogen 1131 01:44:02,208 --> 01:44:06,333 tablet as what's called a, you know, a 1132 01:44:06,333 --> 01:44:07,041 pharmaceutical 1133 01:44:07,375 --> 01:44:10,916 excipient that enhances the 1134 01:44:10,916 --> 01:44:12,916 availability of the compound 1135 01:44:12,916 --> 01:44:15,416 or reduce side effects, like basically a 1136 01:44:15,416 --> 01:44:16,583 functional excipient. 1137 01:44:17,083 --> 01:44:18,250 So I don't want to 1138 01:44:18,250 --> 01:44:21,000 register hydrogen as a drug. 1139 01:44:21,000 --> 01:44:21,708 I don't think it fits 1140 01:44:21,708 --> 01:44:22,875 into the drug dynamic. 1141 01:44:23,208 --> 01:44:26,083 I don't think it works as a standalone 1142 01:44:26,083 --> 01:44:28,416 drug on any one disease, but 1143 01:44:30,083 --> 01:44:31,166 basically getting it through the 1144 01:44:31,166 --> 01:44:34,250 regulations like this, a whole wide array 1145 01:44:34,250 --> 01:44:37,000 of pharmaceuticals could be added to the 1146 01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:38,791 tablet delivery method, work 1147 01:44:38,791 --> 01:44:41,208 complementary or synergistically, reduce 1148 01:44:41,208 --> 01:44:44,458 side effects, and basically 1149 01:44:44,458 --> 01:44:47,583 be great for everyone involved. 1150 01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:51,125 From pharmaceutical companies who who are 1151 01:44:51,125 --> 01:44:53,208 putting in less of their expensive 1152 01:44:53,208 --> 01:44:56,333 ingredient to get the same effect and 1153 01:44:56,333 --> 01:44:57,583 probably charging the same on the market. 1154 01:44:57,833 --> 01:44:59,958 So making more profit in that sense, but 1155 01:44:59,958 --> 01:45:01,416 for consumers getting better health 1156 01:45:01,416 --> 01:45:03,375 results with lower side effects, you 1157 01:45:03,375 --> 01:45:03,750 know, and better 1158 01:45:03,750 --> 01:45:04,708 long-term improved health. 1159 01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:06,166 So it's something I'm 1160 01:45:06,166 --> 01:45:07,000 really excited about. 1161 01:45:07,291 --> 01:45:08,833 And that's what we're going to be going 1162 01:45:08,833 --> 01:45:10,125 down more the next few 1163 01:45:10,125 --> 01:45:11,625 years, five years, 10 years. 1164 01:45:11,625 --> 01:45:13,208 I mean, that's incredible. 1165 01:45:13,541 --> 01:45:15,291 I mean, I was aware of the fact you were 1166 01:45:15,291 --> 01:45:17,500 compounding America hydrogen with various 1167 01:45:17,500 --> 01:45:20,000 nutraceutical agents, things like PQQ, I 1168 01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:21,000 think chromium as well. 1169 01:45:21,208 --> 01:45:22,500 There are a few tablets in the market 1170 01:45:22,500 --> 01:45:24,750 that you've got that include those 1171 01:45:24,750 --> 01:45:27,500 specific molecules, but I didn't have any 1172 01:45:27,500 --> 01:45:29,333 inclination or understanding that you're 1173 01:45:29,333 --> 01:45:30,375 going down the the 1174 01:45:30,375 --> 01:45:31,375 pharmaceutical rabbit hole. 1175 01:45:31,375 --> 01:45:33,166 So that's incredibly interesting. 1176 01:45:33,916 --> 01:45:36,000 And yeah, I look forward to 1177 01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:37,958 seeing the results of that. 1178 01:45:38,166 --> 01:45:40,583 Unfortunately, I'm a synthetic chemist. 1179 01:45:40,583 --> 01:45:41,458 I'm a biochemist, so I 1180 01:45:41,458 --> 01:45:43,375 can't offer you insight there. 1181 01:45:44,208 --> 01:45:46,833 But yeah, that sounds fascinating, 1182 01:45:46,833 --> 01:45:48,333 something I'll definitely keep my finger 1183 01:45:48,333 --> 01:45:50,500 on the pulse, the pulse on. 1184 01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:52,166 Now, 1185 01:45:53,291 --> 01:45:55,500 Alex, I've heard you sort of talk about 1186 01:45:55,500 --> 01:45:58,416 and discuss various other ways in which 1187 01:45:58,416 --> 01:46:00,375 hydrogen can be introduced to the body. 1188 01:46:01,250 --> 01:46:02,458 Speaking of other 1189 01:46:02,458 --> 01:46:03,583 ideas you have, I suppose. 1190 01:46:04,791 --> 01:46:07,208 So looking at it from a topical 1191 01:46:07,208 --> 01:46:09,416 standpoint, I know it's inhaled. 1192 01:46:09,916 --> 01:46:13,791 Do you think that there's a sort of a 1193 01:46:13,791 --> 01:46:14,958 solid future there as well? 1194 01:46:14,958 --> 01:46:18,041 I mean, I foresee molecular hydrogen 1195 01:46:18,041 --> 01:46:21,791 being utilized from a topical standpoint 1196 01:46:21,791 --> 01:46:24,291 to maybe deal with autoimmune conditions 1197 01:46:24,291 --> 01:46:26,291 like exomens, rices, where there's a high 1198 01:46:26,291 --> 01:46:30,708 inflammatory load locally on the skin. 1199 01:46:31,833 --> 01:46:34,000 And obviously, I assume too, just 1200 01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:37,000 speculating here that there would be some 1201 01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,375 sort of anti-aging effects from a 1202 01:46:40,375 --> 01:46:40,875 different sort of... 1203 01:46:40,875 --> 01:46:41,500 Yeah, wrinkle reduction. 1204 01:46:41,916 --> 01:46:43,291 There's actually research showing reduced 1205 01:46:43,291 --> 01:46:45,666 wrinkles with bathing in hydrogen water 1206 01:46:45,666 --> 01:46:46,708 and algae leaves on fruits. 1207 01:46:47,875 --> 01:46:49,833 So I think the future, we're going to 1208 01:46:49,833 --> 01:46:51,250 drink it, we're going to bathe in it, and 1209 01:46:51,250 --> 01:46:52,041 we're going to inhale it. 1210 01:46:52,500 --> 01:46:54,875 And when you look at all three of these 1211 01:46:54,875 --> 01:46:56,500 routes of administration, they all have 1212 01:46:56,500 --> 01:46:57,583 different pharmacokinetics. 1213 01:46:58,208 --> 01:47:00,958 They saturate different 1214 01:47:00,958 --> 01:47:02,958 tissues to different extents. 1215 01:47:03,458 --> 01:47:07,208 So there is some crossover, but we're 1216 01:47:07,208 --> 01:47:08,541 going to be able to identify better and 1217 01:47:08,541 --> 01:47:09,916 better as time goes on. 1218 01:47:10,666 --> 01:47:12,708 For this model, 1219 01:47:13,750 --> 01:47:15,250 we want to say bathe and 1220 01:47:15,250 --> 01:47:16,625 inhale or bathe and drink. 1221 01:47:17,125 --> 01:47:19,625 And we're going to be able to develop 1222 01:47:19,625 --> 01:47:22,083 better suggested protocols. 1223 01:47:22,375 --> 01:47:23,458 Now, I do want to say 1224 01:47:23,458 --> 01:47:25,125 again with all hermudic agents, 1225 01:47:27,583 --> 01:47:29,041 developing these standards in 1226 01:47:29,041 --> 01:47:31,250 double-blind RCTs are important from a 1227 01:47:31,250 --> 01:47:33,916 population standpoint, but every person 1228 01:47:33,916 --> 01:47:36,833 is going to have different results and 1229 01:47:36,833 --> 01:47:38,416 you're going to want to adjust it based 1230 01:47:38,416 --> 01:47:39,583 on your current state. 1231 01:47:41,125 --> 01:47:43,583 But we will be able to identify at least 1232 01:47:43,583 --> 01:47:47,250 that inhalation is better for this, 1233 01:47:47,541 --> 01:47:48,583 drinking is better for that. 1234 01:47:49,375 --> 01:47:51,416 For instance, what I'll say, bathing, 1235 01:47:52,125 --> 01:47:53,500 obviously it's getting to a higher 1236 01:47:53,500 --> 01:47:55,708 concentration, far higher in your skin, 1237 01:47:56,375 --> 01:47:58,791 in your muscle and 1238 01:47:58,791 --> 01:48:00,000 connective tissues and such. 1239 01:48:00,416 --> 01:48:02,875 Inhaling, it's obviously 1240 01:48:02,875 --> 01:48:05,125 getting higher to your lungs. 1241 01:48:05,458 --> 01:48:07,666 It's getting substantially higher to your 1242 01:48:07,666 --> 01:48:09,333 muscles and skeletal tissue than 1243 01:48:09,333 --> 01:48:11,458 drinking, but not bathing. 1244 01:48:12,375 --> 01:48:14,791 It's getting higher to your brain than 1245 01:48:14,791 --> 01:48:18,166 drinking, but drinking the water is also 1246 01:48:18,166 --> 01:48:20,833 activating gut derived hormones like 1247 01:48:20,833 --> 01:48:21,708 ghrelin, which have 1248 01:48:21,708 --> 01:48:22,625 an effect on the brain. 1249 01:48:22,875 --> 01:48:23,791 So I think for brain issues, 1250 01:48:23,791 --> 01:48:25,083 you want to inhale and drink. 1251 01:48:26,291 --> 01:48:26,833 Drinking is obviously 1252 01:48:26,833 --> 01:48:28,000 getting to your gut the best. 1253 01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:28,541 It's interacting with 1254 01:48:28,541 --> 01:48:29,375 the microbiome the best. 1255 01:48:29,375 --> 01:48:30,708 It's getting to your liver 1256 01:48:30,708 --> 01:48:31,833 at the highest concentration. 1257 01:48:32,250 --> 01:48:34,958 So all of the metabolic outcomes of 1258 01:48:34,958 --> 01:48:36,958 hydrogen are our best through drinking 1259 01:48:36,958 --> 01:48:38,833 high concentration water, but we're going 1260 01:48:38,833 --> 01:48:40,125 to be finding out more 1261 01:48:40,125 --> 01:48:41,708 and more as time goes on. 1262 01:48:41,708 --> 01:48:44,416 And this is a real area of research focus 1263 01:48:44,416 --> 01:48:47,416 to figure out which method at what dose 1264 01:48:47,416 --> 01:48:49,750 is optimal for what condition. 1265 01:48:50,500 --> 01:48:54,666 And I've dove into the inhalation space 1266 01:48:54,666 --> 01:48:57,333 where we're just gearing up to announce 1267 01:48:57,333 --> 01:48:59,833 the soft launch of Inhale H2. 1268 01:49:00,791 --> 01:49:02,750 That's a project that myself and Dr. 1269 01:49:02,750 --> 01:49:03,583 Tyler LeBaron have 1270 01:49:03,583 --> 01:49:05,333 worked on for seven years. 1271 01:49:06,250 --> 01:49:07,500 He's joined us as our 1272 01:49:07,500 --> 01:49:09,000 chief scientific officer. 1273 01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:10,708 So this is the first product he has ever 1274 01:49:10,708 --> 01:49:14,125 endorsed because he's the co-inventor and 1275 01:49:14,125 --> 01:49:16,375 it is truly new and novel. 1276 01:49:17,083 --> 01:49:19,625 We are the first inhalation device on the 1277 01:49:19,625 --> 01:49:21,291 market that matches what 1278 01:49:21,291 --> 01:49:22,625 can be done in the research. 1279 01:49:23,583 --> 01:49:26,166 You can basically choose 1280 01:49:26,166 --> 01:49:28,750 anywhere from 1% up to 4% 1281 01:49:29,916 --> 01:49:31,916 with every decimal point in between of 1282 01:49:31,916 --> 01:49:33,833 hydrogen and your time. 1283 01:49:34,125 --> 01:49:35,458 But the key is 1284 01:49:36,541 --> 01:49:37,541 it's a full 1285 01:49:37,541 --> 01:49:39,541 re-breathing mask with a bladder. 1286 01:49:39,541 --> 01:49:40,583 We've developed the system 1287 01:49:40,583 --> 01:49:42,208 to mimic human breathing. 1288 01:49:42,583 --> 01:49:44,875 So every breath you take is that 1289 01:49:44,875 --> 01:49:47,583 controlled exact percentage of hydrogen. 1290 01:49:47,916 --> 01:49:49,208 Whereas with these cannulas, 1291 01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:53,583 you might breathe in a liter, two liters 1292 01:49:53,583 --> 01:49:55,250 at once in a deep breath, 1293 01:49:55,250 --> 01:49:57,416 but that's in one second. 1294 01:49:57,916 --> 01:49:59,000 And now you didn't get 1295 01:49:59,000 --> 01:50:00,958 100% of that hydrogen in. 1296 01:50:01,541 --> 01:50:05,041 That breath is maybe 0.1% or 1% depending 1297 01:50:05,041 --> 01:50:07,541 on the flow rate of H2 because these 1298 01:50:07,541 --> 01:50:10,166 nasal cannulas are constant flow rate and 1299 01:50:10,166 --> 01:50:11,000 they're trickling in. 1300 01:50:11,125 --> 01:50:13,541 And they're a fraction of what your 1301 01:50:13,541 --> 01:50:18,208 actual resting rate of inhalation based 1302 01:50:18,208 --> 01:50:19,041 on minute ventilation 1303 01:50:19,041 --> 01:50:20,625 and tidal volume are. 1304 01:50:22,208 --> 01:50:24,708 And most of the H2 is just wrapping up 1305 01:50:24,708 --> 01:50:26,041 straight out of your mouth. 1306 01:50:26,791 --> 01:50:28,916 Yeah, it's sort of a Hindenburg wake that 1307 01:50:28,916 --> 01:50:29,750 happened right there. 1308 01:50:30,166 --> 01:50:32,208 Yeah, so we developed this machine to 1309 01:50:32,208 --> 01:50:36,166 mimic human breathing and to work like 1310 01:50:36,166 --> 01:50:38,791 they're not using any of these machines 1311 01:50:38,791 --> 01:50:40,208 from China or Japan 1312 01:50:40,208 --> 01:50:41,541 in the clinical trials. 1313 01:50:41,833 --> 01:50:44,750 They're mixing gas tanks and sending them 1314 01:50:44,750 --> 01:50:47,458 to 60 or 100 liter a minute flow rates so 1315 01:50:47,458 --> 01:50:48,875 that every breath you take 1316 01:50:48,875 --> 01:50:51,208 is guaranteed to be that dose. 1317 01:50:52,041 --> 01:50:53,916 We figured how to do this with these 1318 01:50:53,916 --> 01:50:55,541 one-way valves and this inflatable 1319 01:50:55,541 --> 01:50:57,875 bladder, where even at a 12 liter a 1320 01:50:57,875 --> 01:50:59,500 minute flow rate, you can guarantee that 1321 01:50:59,500 --> 01:51:01,625 every breath you take 1322 01:51:01,625 --> 01:51:02,708 is the exact percentage. 1323 01:51:03,458 --> 01:51:05,708 Yeah, I believe again, correct me if I'm 1324 01:51:05,708 --> 01:51:07,000 wrong, but I think the issue with the 1325 01:51:07,000 --> 01:51:09,000 Japanese units is that they just 1326 01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:10,375 under-dosed the amount of hydrogen. 1327 01:51:10,375 --> 01:51:11,833 They got so wrong. 1328 01:51:12,416 --> 01:51:13,500 Yeah, they got so wrong. 1329 01:51:14,500 --> 01:51:16,375 Yeah, so you ended up underdosing it. 1330 01:51:17,291 --> 01:51:20,208 Yeah, so basically, we breathe at rest, 1331 01:51:20,208 --> 01:51:21,916 like say sleeping 68 liters a minute. 1332 01:51:22,291 --> 01:51:23,958 As we're sitting talking at a computer 1333 01:51:23,958 --> 01:51:26,000 like this, we might breathe 10 liters a 1334 01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:27,416 minute, 12 liters a minute even. 1335 01:51:28,625 --> 01:51:31,625 Most of these machines at the 4% gas are 1336 01:51:31,625 --> 01:51:34,666 at a constant flow rate of 1337 01:51:34,666 --> 01:51:36,041 one or two liters a minute. 1338 01:51:36,708 --> 01:51:39,416 Now, at a constant flow rate, so it's 1339 01:51:39,416 --> 01:51:42,666 just coming in at a constant rate, you'd 1340 01:51:42,666 --> 01:51:45,458 actually need 60 to 100 liters a minute 1341 01:51:45,458 --> 01:51:47,291 to make sure that every 1342 01:51:47,291 --> 01:51:49,125 breath you're taking is at 4%. 1343 01:51:49,916 --> 01:51:53,375 So that's what we've resolved. 1344 01:51:54,875 --> 01:51:57,041 All you can breathe is from the bag. 1345 01:51:57,708 --> 01:52:00,125 Everything you get is from our reservoir, 1346 01:52:00,125 --> 01:52:01,541 which is a bladder that 1347 01:52:01,541 --> 01:52:03,166 fills up and then contracts. 1348 01:52:03,666 --> 01:52:05,625 So you can open the door and see the bag 1349 01:52:05,625 --> 01:52:09,250 filling up, contracting with your breath 1350 01:52:09,250 --> 01:52:12,583 and know that everything 1351 01:52:12,583 --> 01:52:13,500 you're getting is just 4%. 1352 01:52:14,333 --> 01:52:14,791 That's incredible. 1353 01:52:15,208 --> 01:52:16,625 What's the ET on that project again? 1354 01:52:17,750 --> 01:52:20,416 So our betas got great feedback. 1355 01:52:20,416 --> 01:52:21,500 We've made all the changes. 1356 01:52:22,416 --> 01:52:27,958 We're actually just finalizing more of 1357 01:52:27,958 --> 01:52:29,541 the processing details. 1358 01:52:31,125 --> 01:52:34,083 We're putting out a soft launch offer. 1359 01:52:34,666 --> 01:52:36,875 So we have such overwhelming support 1360 01:52:36,875 --> 01:52:39,583 between myself and Dr. 1361 01:52:39,583 --> 01:52:40,375 LeBaron's connections. 1362 01:52:40,791 --> 01:52:42,333 Everyone wants this machine. 1363 01:52:42,916 --> 01:52:45,500 The last thing we want to do is order 1364 01:52:45,500 --> 01:52:48,958 30,000 of them and find that there's a 1365 01:52:48,958 --> 01:52:51,041 problem, like a small problem on the one 1366 01:52:51,041 --> 01:52:52,083 that derails our launch. 1367 01:52:52,375 --> 01:52:52,958 So we're doing a lot of things. 1368 01:52:53,000 --> 01:52:58,583 We're doing a limited launch of a large 1369 01:52:58,583 --> 01:53:03,041 but relatively small amount compared to 1370 01:53:03,041 --> 01:53:06,833 what the demand is of some really trusted 1371 01:53:06,833 --> 01:53:11,291 networks who know both Tyler and I well 1372 01:53:11,291 --> 01:53:12,625 and know that we're 1373 01:53:12,625 --> 01:53:13,250 going to treat them right. 1374 01:53:13,541 --> 01:53:15,083 Because again, even if 1375 01:53:15,083 --> 01:53:16,291 everything's great on the machine, 1376 01:53:18,416 --> 01:53:20,500 ordering 30,000 machines, selling 10,000 1377 01:53:20,500 --> 01:53:22,250 machines a month or something, it's going 1378 01:53:22,250 --> 01:53:23,791 to be difficult to scale up enough 1379 01:53:23,791 --> 01:53:28,208 service techs like engineers and customer 1380 01:53:28,208 --> 01:53:29,875 service and everything to make sure 1381 01:53:29,875 --> 01:53:33,958 everyone's getting the experience and the 1382 01:53:33,958 --> 01:53:35,666 support that they deserve 1383 01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:36,791 and that we want to give them. 1384 01:53:37,166 --> 01:53:39,458 So that's why we're doing this soft 1385 01:53:39,458 --> 01:53:42,791 launch test order to make sure that we 1386 01:53:42,791 --> 01:53:45,041 have the infrastructure enough to scale 1387 01:53:45,041 --> 01:53:47,250 up to make sure that everyone is getting 1388 01:53:47,250 --> 01:53:49,416 a very high level experience. 1389 01:53:50,291 --> 01:53:51,125 Yeah, well, I'll 1390 01:53:51,125 --> 01:53:52,541 definitely start saving my pennies. 1391 01:53:55,625 --> 01:53:57,000 Just quickly on that one again. 1392 01:53:58,708 --> 01:54:00,291 So is this going to be sort of direct to 1393 01:54:00,291 --> 01:54:01,625 consumer or do you sort of foresee it 1394 01:54:01,625 --> 01:54:02,208 being a sort of a 1395 01:54:02,208 --> 01:54:03,333 clinical tool to begin with? 1396 01:54:04,041 --> 01:54:06,708 Yeah, so we have a lot of networks of 1397 01:54:06,708 --> 01:54:13,041 spas and functional practitioners that 1398 01:54:13,041 --> 01:54:15,583 want to be onboarding these, but they'll 1399 01:54:15,583 --> 01:54:16,791 also be the direct consumer. 1400 01:54:17,541 --> 01:54:18,958 Okay, that's brilliant. 1401 01:54:18,958 --> 01:54:20,250 Well, that gives me a bit of hope then. 1402 01:54:22,416 --> 01:54:25,916 Alex, I want to be aware of your time, of 1403 01:54:25,916 --> 01:54:27,666 course, but I don't think we could have a 1404 01:54:27,666 --> 01:54:29,375 conversation about molecular hydrogen 1405 01:54:29,375 --> 01:54:32,416 without at least not quickly discussing 1406 01:54:32,416 --> 01:54:33,458 hydrogen generators. 1407 01:54:35,125 --> 01:54:38,083 Now, as I mentioned earlier, I've 1408 01:54:38,083 --> 01:54:39,625 listened to a few past cards you've done 1409 01:54:39,625 --> 01:54:41,333 just in preparation for this one. 1410 01:54:41,791 --> 01:54:44,541 And I know that they, it's just based on 1411 01:54:44,541 --> 01:54:45,208 what you said, the past 1412 01:54:45,208 --> 01:54:47,208 that they do seem to struggle. 1413 01:54:48,125 --> 01:54:49,291 I know you've mentioned something called 1414 01:54:49,291 --> 01:54:50,333 Henry's Law and that there's 1415 01:54:50,333 --> 01:54:51,708 an issue with gaskets there. 1416 01:54:53,291 --> 01:54:55,708 And the fact that these units can't 1417 01:54:55,708 --> 01:54:57,000 necessarily produce the amount of 1418 01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:59,791 hydrogen that they do on day one, on 1419 01:54:59,791 --> 01:55:02,041 maybe day five or day 10. 1420 01:55:03,000 --> 01:55:05,416 Is this something that you 1421 01:55:05,416 --> 01:55:08,125 envisage maybe solving yourself? 1422 01:55:08,125 --> 01:55:08,958 Is this a problem that 1423 01:55:08,958 --> 01:55:11,000 you would like to tackle? 1424 01:55:11,500 --> 01:55:13,708 Or is it sort of a bit outside of your 1425 01:55:13,708 --> 01:55:14,500 wheelhouse at this point? 1426 01:55:15,291 --> 01:55:20,416 So funny enough, I have a patent on a 1427 01:55:20,416 --> 01:55:21,375 bottle that uses the 1428 01:55:21,375 --> 01:55:23,666 tablet to generate hydrogen 1429 01:55:25,458 --> 01:55:26,708 that I developed years ago. 1430 01:55:27,458 --> 01:55:28,958 And we knew all these 1431 01:55:28,958 --> 01:55:30,958 problems were existed. 1432 01:55:31,416 --> 01:55:34,083 And we didn't use Chinese engineers. 1433 01:55:34,416 --> 01:55:36,125 We use engineers well 1434 01:55:36,125 --> 01:55:37,583 in Canada at the time, 1435 01:55:38,625 --> 01:55:41,791 ordered all the parts in, built them 1436 01:55:42,083 --> 01:55:44,000 ourselves by hand with 1437 01:55:44,000 --> 01:55:45,125 this engineering firm. 1438 01:55:46,666 --> 01:55:49,625 What we were getting like concentrated 13 1439 01:55:49,625 --> 01:55:51,416 parts per million in these 1440 01:55:51,416 --> 01:55:54,375 prototypes we built, right? 1441 01:55:54,458 --> 01:55:56,916 So stable, clear, you can drink, we 1442 01:55:56,916 --> 01:55:57,958 thought there was going to be great 1443 01:55:57,958 --> 01:56:00,791 applications for this, but even getting 1444 01:56:00,791 --> 01:56:06,125 gaskets that were rated like five times 1445 01:56:06,125 --> 01:56:12,166 higher than what we needed, 1446 01:56:13,375 --> 01:56:16,041 not a single one of the units lasted 10 1447 01:56:16,041 --> 01:56:19,000 uses before the gaskets were separating. 1448 01:56:19,625 --> 01:56:21,458 But even if the gaskets get better, what 1449 01:56:21,458 --> 01:56:23,416 we started noticing is the pressure, 1450 01:56:23,541 --> 01:56:26,541 because we're getting to 130, 140 PSI of 1451 01:56:26,541 --> 01:56:27,625 pressure, it was 1452 01:56:27,625 --> 01:56:30,500 starting to unscrew the bolts 1453 01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:33,375 from the force. 1454 01:56:33,958 --> 01:56:34,875 So we were getting leaking 1455 01:56:34,875 --> 01:56:36,666 from all sorts of angles. 1456 01:56:37,625 --> 01:56:39,583 And I want to 1457 01:56:41,083 --> 01:56:43,791 say that just think about this concept. 1458 01:56:45,125 --> 01:56:50,166 This table that my computer is on, maybe 1459 01:56:50,166 --> 01:56:51,750 it's rated for 200 pounds. 1460 01:56:53,125 --> 01:56:56,791 And say I take a 40 pound weight, and I 1461 01:56:56,791 --> 01:56:58,166 drop it from a couple 1462 01:56:58,166 --> 01:57:00,750 inches once, table's fine. 1463 01:57:01,791 --> 01:57:03,958 But you just keep picking that up and 1464 01:57:03,958 --> 01:57:07,583 doing it five times a day, every day. 1465 01:57:08,250 --> 01:57:10,583 That reaches a point and not too long 1466 01:57:10,583 --> 01:57:11,416 where the table breaks. 1467 01:57:12,250 --> 01:57:14,208 Is it a point limit to material fatigue? 1468 01:57:14,458 --> 01:57:15,833 Yeah, yeah, exactly. 1469 01:57:16,166 --> 01:57:18,916 So this is how these pressurized bottles 1470 01:57:18,916 --> 01:57:21,083 work is yes, no matter how 1471 01:57:21,083 --> 01:57:24,250 high up you go in the rating, 1472 01:57:25,375 --> 01:57:27,583 it's that repeated below 1473 01:57:27,583 --> 01:57:29,666 pressure, which eventually breaks. 1474 01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:33,041 And just think about how a drop of water 1475 01:57:33,041 --> 01:57:34,208 can carve through a mountain, 1476 01:57:35,250 --> 01:57:35,541 right? 1477 01:57:35,541 --> 01:57:37,291 Just a constant drop over and over. 1478 01:57:37,541 --> 01:57:39,000 In time, it will break. 1479 01:57:39,750 --> 01:57:42,625 So the question isn't if these machines 1480 01:57:42,625 --> 01:57:46,708 can ever not break, they 1481 01:57:46,708 --> 01:57:48,416 will always break, right? 1482 01:57:48,416 --> 01:57:50,875 It's just how much does it cost to make 1483 01:57:50,875 --> 01:57:54,000 sure that they last six months instead of 1484 01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:57,000 six days to a couple weeks? 1485 01:57:58,083 --> 01:58:01,375 And how much does that cost to do? 1486 01:58:02,083 --> 01:58:04,625 So none of these manufacturers seem to 1487 01:58:04,625 --> 01:58:07,916 have to be improving on this, which tells 1488 01:58:07,916 --> 01:58:11,000 me that to make improvements is going to 1489 01:58:11,000 --> 01:58:15,125 drive up the cost so much for not a good 1490 01:58:15,125 --> 01:58:16,708 return on longevity. 1491 01:58:17,541 --> 01:58:18,083 And like I said, 1492 01:58:19,333 --> 01:58:22,000 we were rated, I can't remember, but our 1493 01:58:22,000 --> 01:58:24,750 gaskets were rated to something like 750 1494 01:58:24,750 --> 01:58:26,416 PSI or something like that. 1495 01:58:26,416 --> 01:58:27,333 And still, they all 1496 01:58:27,333 --> 01:58:29,208 broke under under 10 uses. 1497 01:58:30,708 --> 01:58:33,458 So let me get this right. 1498 01:58:33,458 --> 01:58:37,791 So it's a bad solution relative to, say, 1499 01:58:37,791 --> 01:58:41,000 the tablets, which have a low barrier to 1500 01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:43,208 engine terms and costs have a high yield 1501 01:58:43,208 --> 01:58:45,666 in terms of hydrogen that they are. 1502 01:58:45,666 --> 01:58:47,708 And they're consistent every time. 1503 01:58:48,000 --> 01:58:50,708 So even at their best, these bottles that 1504 01:58:50,708 --> 01:58:52,833 are getting up to five parts per million. 1505 01:58:53,250 --> 01:58:54,875 Well, that's five parts per million and 1506 01:58:54,875 --> 01:58:56,708 typically 250 milliliters. 1507 01:58:57,041 --> 01:58:59,000 So that's 1.25 milligrams of each tube. 1508 01:58:59,500 --> 01:59:01,791 We're getting 12 parts per million in 500 1509 01:59:01,791 --> 01:59:04,250 milliliters if you prepare and drink it 1510 01:59:04,250 --> 01:59:05,791 as we suggest, which is 1511 01:59:05,791 --> 01:59:08,208 six milligrams of each tube. 1512 01:59:08,208 --> 01:59:11,083 So we're getting close to like five times 1513 01:59:11,083 --> 01:59:12,500 as much hydrogen when 1514 01:59:12,500 --> 01:59:13,375 these bottles are new. 1515 01:59:13,875 --> 01:59:15,166 And then all of a sudden, a month later, 1516 01:59:15,166 --> 01:59:16,833 now we're getting 30, 1517 01:59:16,833 --> 01:59:17,958 40 times more hydrogen. 1518 01:59:18,708 --> 01:59:21,458 So even when they're brand new, they are 1519 01:59:21,458 --> 01:59:22,708 not getting close to the 1520 01:59:22,708 --> 01:59:24,208 dosage that we're getting. 1521 01:59:25,166 --> 01:59:26,791 And they break pretty fast. 1522 01:59:27,250 --> 01:59:28,875 And not just even if they solve the 1523 01:59:28,875 --> 01:59:31,416 gasket issue, there's a secondary issue 1524 01:59:31,416 --> 01:59:34,958 of the membranes 1525 01:59:34,958 --> 01:59:36,916 slowly start breaking down. 1526 01:59:37,375 --> 01:59:39,291 And as they break down, maybe they're 1527 01:59:39,291 --> 01:59:40,375 releasing heavy metals. 1528 01:59:40,375 --> 01:59:41,875 We don't have the data on that yet. 1529 01:59:41,875 --> 01:59:42,750 They're a consumer device. 1530 01:59:42,750 --> 01:59:47,208 So they're not legally mandated to post a 1531 01:59:47,208 --> 01:59:50,000 long-term safety kind of info like that. 1532 01:59:51,000 --> 01:59:54,416 We know that DuPont has put season to 1533 01:59:54,416 --> 01:59:56,375 cyst to all the Chinese manufacturers 1534 01:59:56,375 --> 01:59:57,750 that they're not allowed to use their 1535 01:59:57,750 --> 01:59:59,458 membrane because their membranes aren't 1536 01:59:59,458 --> 02:00:03,416 rated for contact with something that's 1537 02:00:03,416 --> 02:00:04,333 for human consumption. 1538 02:00:04,916 --> 02:00:07,333 So if DuPont is stopping their sales, 1539 02:00:08,250 --> 02:00:09,916 saying that this is an intended for human 1540 02:00:09,916 --> 02:00:11,750 consumption, that tells 1541 02:00:11,750 --> 02:00:12,791 us DuPont knows something. 1542 02:00:12,833 --> 02:00:14,333 Or at least to me, it suggests DuPont 1543 02:00:14,333 --> 02:00:18,208 might know something that the Chinese 1544 02:00:18,208 --> 02:00:19,333 manufacturers don't yet. 1545 02:00:19,708 --> 02:00:21,000 So they've almost all switched to their 1546 02:00:21,000 --> 02:00:24,125 own membranes now, because DuPont has 1547 02:00:24,125 --> 02:00:27,083 removed the ability to use theirs from so 1548 02:00:27,083 --> 02:00:28,708 many of these manufacturers. 1549 02:00:28,708 --> 02:00:30,041 And those I assume are 1550 02:00:30,041 --> 02:00:30,875 questionable as well. 1551 02:00:32,125 --> 02:00:33,666 I'd just like to see the data. 1552 02:00:34,041 --> 02:00:35,625 I don't want to say definitely this is 1553 02:00:35,625 --> 02:00:37,666 going to deliver this or be harmful. 1554 02:00:38,375 --> 02:00:40,541 It's just too many questions that I 1555 02:00:40,541 --> 02:00:43,166 wouldn't personally use it 1556 02:00:43,166 --> 02:00:44,625 until those are answered. 1557 02:00:45,958 --> 02:00:50,208 But then the final kicker is to make 1558 02:00:50,208 --> 02:00:52,000 these machines, one, you don't want glass 1559 02:00:52,000 --> 02:00:54,916 because that becomes a bomb or shrapnel. 1560 02:00:56,250 --> 02:00:58,666 So you have to use plastic. 1561 02:00:59,458 --> 02:01:00,833 And then with this repeated 1562 02:01:00,833 --> 02:01:03,500 pressurization over and over again, how 1563 02:01:03,500 --> 02:01:06,791 many microplastics and PFAS are you 1564 02:01:06,791 --> 02:01:07,583 getting into the water? 1565 02:01:08,000 --> 02:01:09,625 So that's another question. 1566 02:01:10,416 --> 02:01:11,083 Yeah, definitely. 1567 02:01:12,041 --> 02:01:15,083 Like I said, I think it's just finding a 1568 02:01:15,083 --> 02:01:17,750 complex solution to a problem that 1569 02:01:17,750 --> 02:01:18,625 already has a simple 1570 02:01:18,625 --> 02:01:20,041 answer, in this case, tablets. 1571 02:01:21,708 --> 02:01:24,375 Alex, you've been amazing truly, and 1572 02:01:24,375 --> 02:01:26,750 maybe it's just me, but I get way more 1573 02:01:26,750 --> 02:01:28,250 starstruck talking to someone like you 1574 02:01:28,250 --> 02:01:30,500 than I ever would a Tom Cruise type. 1575 02:01:31,666 --> 02:01:34,208 Before I let you go, though, and I do 1576 02:01:34,208 --> 02:01:35,333 need to let you go, I'm aware of that, 1577 02:01:35,375 --> 02:01:37,083 would you be okay if we just ran through 1578 02:01:37,083 --> 02:01:39,333 a few rapidish fire questions quickly? 1579 02:01:39,875 --> 02:01:40,083 Yeah. 1580 02:01:40,625 --> 02:01:41,041 Okay, brilliant. 1581 02:01:41,291 --> 02:01:41,625 Thank you. 1582 02:01:42,500 --> 02:01:42,958 All right. 1583 02:01:42,958 --> 02:01:43,750 So just off the bat, 1584 02:01:44,750 --> 02:01:46,375 you mentioned this a second ago, but 1585 02:01:46,375 --> 02:01:47,458 what's the best way to 1586 02:01:47,458 --> 02:01:49,625 use molecular hydrogen pads? 1587 02:01:51,208 --> 02:01:53,958 I think that the best way is 1588 02:01:53,958 --> 02:01:55,541 one, room temperature water. 1589 02:01:56,250 --> 02:01:57,708 I designed it for room temperature water. 1590 02:01:57,708 --> 02:01:59,833 Now, the reason for that is we can't 1591 02:01:59,833 --> 02:02:01,291 really guzzle or chug 1592 02:02:01,291 --> 02:02:03,583 cold water or hot water. 1593 02:02:04,166 --> 02:02:08,083 So we designed it to react ideally in 1594 02:02:08,083 --> 02:02:09,000 room temperature water. 1595 02:02:09,916 --> 02:02:11,666 You don't want it to be highly alkaline 1596 02:02:11,666 --> 02:02:13,125 and not distilled either. 1597 02:02:13,125 --> 02:02:15,791 So you want a little bit of electrolytes 1598 02:02:15,791 --> 02:02:17,791 like TDS in the water, but really 1599 02:02:17,791 --> 02:02:19,625 anywhere from three parts per million to 1600 02:02:19,625 --> 02:02:20,791 200 parts per million. 1601 02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:22,500 So basically every bottled water on the 1602 02:02:22,500 --> 02:02:26,708 market and every re mineralizing RO 1603 02:02:26,708 --> 02:02:29,083 system and every tap water source other 1604 02:02:29,083 --> 02:02:30,750 than if you're in a well with super hard 1605 02:02:30,750 --> 02:02:32,000 water is going to work fine. 1606 02:02:32,416 --> 02:02:36,333 Just don't use alkaline ionized water or 1607 02:02:36,500 --> 02:02:38,250 highly alkaline mineral water. 1608 02:02:38,250 --> 02:02:40,500 Don't use carbonated water, which I know 1609 02:02:40,500 --> 02:02:42,250 is a lot more popular in the UK and 1610 02:02:42,250 --> 02:02:44,375 Europe than here because then the 1611 02:02:44,375 --> 02:02:47,166 hydrogen is competing with the CO2 for 1612 02:02:47,166 --> 02:02:48,750 partial pressure and the CO2 1613 02:02:48,750 --> 02:02:50,875 wins and it sparges out the H2. 1614 02:02:51,666 --> 02:02:52,583 That would screw with the 1615 02:02:52,583 --> 02:02:54,208 zeta potential, is that right? 1616 02:02:55,500 --> 02:02:57,791 Yeah, so I mean, one, it's going to 1617 02:02:57,791 --> 02:03:00,500 disrupt H2, only so much can stay in. 1618 02:03:02,708 --> 02:03:04,916 It's not going to allow saturated H2. 1619 02:03:05,458 --> 02:03:07,291 There's going to be more collisions which 1620 02:03:07,291 --> 02:03:09,000 increases the bubble size 1621 02:03:09,000 --> 02:03:11,375 of the quasi dissolved H2. 1622 02:03:11,375 --> 02:03:12,083 So it's just going to 1623 02:03:12,083 --> 02:03:14,916 lead to a bad result. 1624 02:03:16,791 --> 02:03:18,958 I'd say 500 milliliters is what we 1625 02:03:18,958 --> 02:03:22,041 designed this for, but the best volume of 1626 02:03:22,041 --> 02:03:25,333 water is what you can guzzle rapidly. 1627 02:03:26,041 --> 02:03:27,875 So for instance, in the elderly trials, 1628 02:03:27,875 --> 02:03:30,125 we use 250 milliliters and most of the 1629 02:03:30,125 --> 02:03:32,000 middle aged like metabolic 1630 02:03:32,000 --> 02:03:34,541 trials, we use 330 milliliters. 1631 02:03:34,833 --> 02:03:38,250 So I guzzle a liter first thing in the 1632 02:03:38,250 --> 02:03:40,916 morning, but I'm a big guy and so 1633 02:03:40,916 --> 02:03:42,750 exercise a lot and I can chug a liter 1634 02:03:42,750 --> 02:03:43,750 first thing in the morning 1635 02:03:43,750 --> 02:03:44,708 with a lot of my supplements. 1636 02:03:44,916 --> 02:03:46,041 Most people can't. 1637 02:03:46,625 --> 02:03:49,583 So I put a few tablets in a 1638 02:03:49,583 --> 02:03:50,958 liter and then chug it down. 1639 02:03:51,708 --> 02:03:53,333 But again, most people can't do that. 1640 02:03:53,791 --> 02:03:54,666 I will say you want to 1641 02:03:54,666 --> 02:03:56,000 take it on an empty stomach. 1642 02:03:57,041 --> 02:04:01,375 I do have IP demonstrating that hydrogen 1643 02:04:01,375 --> 02:04:05,166 in an aqueous solution that has dissolved 1644 02:04:05,166 --> 02:04:08,541 polysaccharides retains the H2 1645 02:04:08,541 --> 02:04:11,916 nanobubbles and creates gels and foams. 1646 02:04:13,083 --> 02:04:15,333 So that's going to 1647 02:04:15,333 --> 02:04:16,208 happen in your stomach. 1648 02:04:17,125 --> 02:04:21,166 And actually there is data like someone 1649 02:04:21,166 --> 02:04:24,958 unaware of my pending IP at the time 1650 02:04:24,958 --> 02:04:28,333 about this made these 1651 02:04:28,333 --> 02:04:30,208 hydrogen rich like jello. 1652 02:04:30,791 --> 02:04:32,958 It was a physicist in Vegas that I ended 1653 02:04:32,958 --> 02:04:34,375 up talking to a bunch and he dropped the 1654 02:04:34,375 --> 02:04:36,625 project because he found out about my IP. 1655 02:04:37,500 --> 02:04:39,333 But they were measuring the hydrogen 1656 02:04:39,333 --> 02:04:40,916 leaving in the urine after. 1657 02:04:41,291 --> 02:04:43,458 I'm like, well, if it's all leaving in 1658 02:04:43,458 --> 02:04:44,625 the urine, then it's not 1659 02:04:44,625 --> 02:04:47,166 circulating in your body. 1660 02:04:47,500 --> 02:04:49,208 So hydrogen works by 1661 02:04:51,125 --> 02:04:52,791 like other hermetic stressors, you want 1662 02:04:52,791 --> 02:04:54,000 this spike and then 1663 02:04:54,000 --> 02:04:55,625 this return to baseline. 1664 02:04:55,625 --> 02:04:56,916 So you want to peak in a valley. 1665 02:04:56,916 --> 02:04:58,791 So you don't want to eat it with a meal 1666 02:04:58,791 --> 02:05:01,125 heavy and like carbohydrates or fiber 1667 02:05:01,916 --> 02:05:04,250 because they're going to retain the H2 1668 02:05:04,250 --> 02:05:05,750 and it's not going to hit that rapid 1669 02:05:05,750 --> 02:05:06,625 spike into yourselves. 1670 02:05:07,500 --> 02:05:07,958 Yeah, definitely. 1671 02:05:09,250 --> 02:05:09,458 Next one. 1672 02:05:09,958 --> 02:05:11,791 Have you ever thrown down a tablet down 1673 02:05:11,791 --> 02:05:12,333 the hatch and then 1674 02:05:12,333 --> 02:05:13,625 chased it down with water? 1675 02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:15,333 Have you sort of ever done that? 1676 02:05:15,708 --> 02:05:19,000 So I have, I don't recommend it because I 1677 02:05:19,000 --> 02:05:20,833 have when I'm in a rush, I know Dr. 1678 02:05:20,833 --> 02:05:21,708 LaBaron talks about it. 1679 02:05:21,708 --> 02:05:23,375 He does it when he's in an absolute rush 1680 02:05:23,375 --> 02:05:25,291 and doesn't like he's late walking up the 1681 02:05:25,291 --> 02:05:26,958 door, I'm late walking up the door and I 1682 02:05:26,958 --> 02:05:28,875 don't have like a minute to spare. 1683 02:05:29,458 --> 02:05:31,333 Why you wouldn't want to do that is if 1684 02:05:31,333 --> 02:05:33,333 you don't drink enough water, right? 1685 02:05:33,333 --> 02:05:34,500 And then you might get some 1686 02:05:34,500 --> 02:05:36,666 unpleasantness in your gut. 1687 02:05:37,125 --> 02:05:38,541 So we can't recommend that. 1688 02:05:39,208 --> 02:05:43,500 People are really, really bad at judging 1689 02:05:43,500 --> 02:05:44,791 what enough water is. 1690 02:05:45,375 --> 02:05:46,791 You know, I see even 1691 02:05:46,791 --> 02:05:47,875 when I see people like, 1692 02:05:48,875 --> 02:05:50,750 even people I'm friends with or family 1693 02:05:50,750 --> 02:05:53,125 members, I'll see them drop like a tablet 1694 02:05:53,125 --> 02:05:55,500 in like 50 milliliters of water. 1695 02:05:56,208 --> 02:05:57,125 And I'm like, what do you 1696 02:05:57,125 --> 02:05:57,958 think is going on there? 1697 02:05:58,333 --> 02:05:59,916 Like, you know, stop doing that. 1698 02:05:59,916 --> 02:06:00,166 Right. 1699 02:06:00,500 --> 02:06:03,083 So I see that and know that if I tell 1700 02:06:03,083 --> 02:06:04,291 people, yeah, you can swallow it and 1701 02:06:04,291 --> 02:06:05,875 chase it with water, they're going to 1702 02:06:05,875 --> 02:06:07,125 swallow the tablet and take a sip. 1703 02:06:07,958 --> 02:06:08,541 Right. 1704 02:06:08,541 --> 02:06:10,041 And now that's not nearly enough water. 1705 02:06:11,416 --> 02:06:11,958 So you're not going to get 1706 02:06:11,958 --> 02:06:13,000 the same therapeutic effect. 1707 02:06:13,333 --> 02:06:15,833 But moreover, you're going to potentially 1708 02:06:15,833 --> 02:06:17,291 make your stomach upset. 1709 02:06:17,916 --> 02:06:18,125 Right. 1710 02:06:18,291 --> 02:06:19,833 And long term use of that, maybe you're 1711 02:06:19,833 --> 02:06:21,250 going to develop an ulcer or something. 1712 02:06:21,500 --> 02:06:22,583 So don't do that. 1713 02:06:22,958 --> 02:06:25,000 I mean, there is a way to do it safely, 1714 02:06:25,000 --> 02:06:28,458 but there's not a way to advise it to 1715 02:06:28,458 --> 02:06:30,666 people who are going to listen and do it 1716 02:06:30,666 --> 02:06:31,708 safely, if that makes sense. 1717 02:06:32,416 --> 02:06:32,583 Yeah. 1718 02:06:32,916 --> 02:06:35,000 Is any, sorry, quick tangent on that one. 1719 02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:35,791 Is any exothermic 1720 02:06:35,791 --> 02:06:37,083 reaction or heat developed? 1721 02:06:37,083 --> 02:06:39,958 That would also be an issue, I'd imagine. 1722 02:06:40,958 --> 02:06:41,125 Okay. 1723 02:06:41,541 --> 02:06:42,500 Moving on quickly then. 1724 02:06:43,000 --> 02:06:45,416 Besides molecular hydrogen, what single 1725 02:06:45,416 --> 02:06:46,958 molecule excites you the most when it 1726 02:06:46,958 --> 02:06:49,166 comes to supporting health, 1727 02:06:49,166 --> 02:06:52,041 supporting human longevity? 1728 02:06:52,583 --> 02:06:54,000 That's in the pipeline, perhaps, or 1729 02:06:54,000 --> 02:06:55,416 something that may already exist. 1730 02:06:56,000 --> 02:06:56,166 Yeah. 1731 02:06:56,625 --> 02:06:57,166 I mean, I know we've 1732 02:06:57,166 --> 02:06:58,291 talked about Tessa Fencine. 1733 02:06:58,666 --> 02:07:00,291 I really like that molecule. 1734 02:07:00,541 --> 02:07:02,708 I'm getting it off the black market. 1735 02:07:03,958 --> 02:07:06,500 I basically quit drinking and have no 1736 02:07:06,500 --> 02:07:07,625 desire to drink alcohol 1737 02:07:07,625 --> 02:07:09,083 since I started Tessa Fencine. 1738 02:07:09,333 --> 02:07:11,666 I have much less cravings for food. 1739 02:07:14,416 --> 02:07:15,666 Other than that, it's hard 1740 02:07:15,666 --> 02:07:20,083 to pinpoint a single molecule. 1741 02:07:20,375 --> 02:07:23,500 I probably take 100 pills a day, and then 1742 02:07:23,500 --> 02:07:26,500 liters of supplemental liquids and stuff. 1743 02:07:27,000 --> 02:07:29,750 So it's really, really difficult to 1744 02:07:29,750 --> 02:07:31,166 pinpoint one thing, and 1745 02:07:31,166 --> 02:07:32,583 especially with everything, 1746 02:07:35,375 --> 02:07:37,041 it depends on the context. 1747 02:07:38,250 --> 02:07:38,958 For instance, 1748 02:07:39,000 --> 02:07:43,416 something like methyl folate. 1749 02:07:44,125 --> 02:07:48,875 When I was getting off Tessa ulcerin 1750 02:07:48,875 --> 02:07:50,791 replacement and trying 1751 02:07:50,791 --> 02:07:52,333 to regain my fertility, 1752 02:07:53,500 --> 02:07:55,583 high dose methyl folate, like five 1753 02:07:55,583 --> 02:07:57,708 milligrams a day, has been linked to 1754 02:07:58,333 --> 02:07:59,833 improving male fertility. 1755 02:08:00,333 --> 02:08:02,083 But you only want to do that for a month 1756 02:08:02,083 --> 02:08:04,250 or two, because if you're doing that long 1757 02:08:04,250 --> 02:08:06,583 term and you're not 1758 02:08:06,583 --> 02:08:09,583 countering it with other B-wedding... 1759 02:08:10,666 --> 02:08:10,916 Yeah. 1760 02:08:11,625 --> 02:08:12,291 I mean, because 1761 02:08:12,291 --> 02:08:14,166 absolutely, with something like TMG. 1762 02:08:15,916 --> 02:08:16,875 Too many methyl donors. 1763 02:08:17,875 --> 02:08:18,208 Yeah. 1764 02:08:19,000 --> 02:08:19,333 All right. 1765 02:08:19,666 --> 02:08:21,583 It's going to lead to some problems. 1766 02:08:22,875 --> 02:08:23,333 Definitely. 1767 02:08:23,666 --> 02:08:25,083 I mean, the moment you start playing 1768 02:08:25,083 --> 02:08:27,791 around with the methyl folate cycle, the 1769 02:08:27,791 --> 02:08:30,166 folate cycle, you've got to be careful 1770 02:08:30,166 --> 02:08:31,375 and you've got to have an understanding 1771 02:08:31,375 --> 02:08:32,958 of your genetics as well. 1772 02:08:35,291 --> 02:08:35,500 Okay. 1773 02:08:35,916 --> 02:08:37,500 So I'll skip one. 1774 02:08:37,791 --> 02:08:40,250 And the final question is, what's the 1775 02:08:40,250 --> 02:08:41,208 next for you on the health front? 1776 02:08:41,875 --> 02:08:43,500 Obviously, you've been through this 1777 02:08:43,500 --> 02:08:46,500 journey, and I know 1778 02:08:46,500 --> 02:08:48,083 there's still a long way to go. 1779 02:08:48,333 --> 02:08:50,333 I think you said you were a candidate for 1780 02:08:50,333 --> 02:08:51,416 a few different operations. 1781 02:08:52,875 --> 02:08:57,541 What is next to you in terms of you 1782 02:08:57,541 --> 02:08:59,666 trying to optimize your health, if you 1783 02:08:59,666 --> 02:09:00,250 don't mind me asking? 1784 02:09:02,666 --> 02:09:05,666 So with me, it's always 1785 02:09:05,666 --> 02:09:07,541 just trying to improve. 1786 02:09:08,125 --> 02:09:09,541 And I've been getting 1787 02:09:09,541 --> 02:09:10,500 rounds of stem cells. 1788 02:09:10,708 --> 02:09:11,500 They've helped a little bit. 1789 02:09:11,875 --> 02:09:12,958 I need to keep doing that. 1790 02:09:13,416 --> 02:09:16,083 I'm really actually excited about some 1791 02:09:16,083 --> 02:09:19,125 other protocols that we're seeing in 1792 02:09:19,125 --> 02:09:20,166 rodents, but haven't 1793 02:09:20,166 --> 02:09:21,291 jumped to humans yet. 1794 02:09:21,958 --> 02:09:23,416 There's protocols where they're doing 1795 02:09:23,416 --> 02:09:27,083 micro drilling into joints, even if 1796 02:09:27,083 --> 02:09:29,791 there's just very small pieces of it and 1797 02:09:29,791 --> 02:09:31,833 injecting them not just with stem cells, 1798 02:09:31,833 --> 02:09:34,041 but various peptides and 1799 02:09:34,041 --> 02:09:37,083 block building molecules. 1800 02:09:37,083 --> 02:09:39,166 They're able to completely 1801 02:09:39,166 --> 02:09:42,208 regrow joints in rodents now. 1802 02:09:42,541 --> 02:09:44,833 But there isn't even the highest end 1803 02:09:44,833 --> 02:09:46,916 clinic in the world that's trying these 1804 02:09:46,916 --> 02:09:47,708 protocols in humans. 1805 02:09:48,083 --> 02:09:50,083 So I'd say that is something I am 1806 02:09:50,083 --> 02:09:53,000 desperately looking forward to, to try 1807 02:09:53,000 --> 02:09:55,500 and actually regrow the 1808 02:09:55,500 --> 02:09:56,208 joints that I've lost. 1809 02:09:56,875 --> 02:09:59,000 Yeah, I can only imagine. 1810 02:10:00,416 --> 02:10:01,750 Alex, you've been a star. 1811 02:10:02,708 --> 02:10:04,000 Truly, I appreciate this 1812 02:10:04,000 --> 02:10:05,541 conversation more than you know. 1813 02:10:05,958 --> 02:10:08,250 Where can people find you if they do want 1814 02:10:08,250 --> 02:10:09,750 to learn more about you, if they do not 1815 02:10:09,750 --> 02:10:11,291 want to learn more 1816 02:10:11,291 --> 02:10:12,625 about hydrogen tablets? 1817 02:10:13,500 --> 02:10:15,708 I assume you would point them to HRW. 1818 02:10:15,708 --> 02:10:18,750 And then I know we mentioned it earlier, 1819 02:10:18,750 --> 02:10:20,125 but just yet, plug your 1820 02:10:20,125 --> 02:10:21,250 book that's coming out shortly. 1821 02:10:22,083 --> 02:10:26,666 Yeah, so alexternava.com is my website. 1822 02:10:27,416 --> 02:10:30,208 My Instagram is the same at Alexternava. 1823 02:10:31,125 --> 02:10:34,458 I have a ResearchGate account that you 1824 02:10:34,458 --> 02:10:36,375 can read some of the papers that I've 1825 02:10:36,375 --> 02:10:38,333 published or co-authored on. 1826 02:10:38,625 --> 02:10:41,041 Again, it's Alexternava, my ResearchGate. 1827 02:10:42,583 --> 02:10:45,458 For the tablets, I mean, I 1828 02:10:45,458 --> 02:10:46,916 supply to like 100 brands 1829 02:10:47,916 --> 02:10:48,875 with the Trink HRW. 1830 02:10:48,875 --> 02:10:49,708 I've written a lot of 1831 02:10:49,708 --> 02:10:51,083 blog content for them. 1832 02:10:51,083 --> 02:10:52,541 There's a lot of good content I wrote. 1833 02:10:53,375 --> 02:10:54,500 Some of it is pretty dated. 1834 02:10:54,500 --> 02:10:56,125 I would have written it four or five, 1835 02:10:56,125 --> 02:10:58,125 six, seven years ago. 1836 02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:00,500 But even the dated stuff 1837 02:11:00,500 --> 02:11:02,458 is still mostly accurate. 1838 02:11:02,458 --> 02:11:05,875 There's just new information that could 1839 02:11:05,875 --> 02:11:07,291 be rewritten, but that's 1840 02:11:07,291 --> 02:11:09,375 really on them to update it. 1841 02:11:09,750 --> 02:11:10,916 I can't be rewriting 1842 02:11:10,916 --> 02:11:11,750 stuff for them forever. 1843 02:11:12,708 --> 02:11:15,875 But yeah, those would be the best spots. 1844 02:11:17,333 --> 02:11:22,875 If you're on my social media or on my 1845 02:11:22,875 --> 02:11:24,500 website, you'll see the new podcast 1846 02:11:24,500 --> 02:11:26,250 editions that go live. 1847 02:11:27,000 --> 02:11:27,750 You'll get announcements 1848 02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:28,916 from my books as they're coming. 1849 02:11:29,291 --> 02:11:31,791 So I actually released one book, but then 1850 02:11:31,791 --> 02:11:34,416 I read it after it had gone 1851 02:11:34,416 --> 02:11:35,541 through the editing process. 1852 02:11:35,833 --> 02:11:38,708 And I learned a lot because I had 1853 02:11:38,708 --> 02:11:39,583 approved every 1854 02:11:39,583 --> 02:11:41,000 paragraph that was being edited. 1855 02:11:42,125 --> 02:11:44,333 But just looking at the paragraph through 1856 02:11:44,333 --> 02:11:45,333 kind of like a keyhole, 1857 02:11:46,583 --> 02:11:48,166 and I didn't think to 1858 02:11:48,166 --> 02:11:49,208 read it chronologically. 1859 02:11:49,208 --> 02:11:51,708 And then it came out and then I pulled it 1860 02:11:51,708 --> 02:11:52,375 because I started 1861 02:11:52,375 --> 02:11:53,583 reading it chronologically. 1862 02:11:53,583 --> 02:11:55,750 I'm like, oh man, this is lost nuance. 1863 02:11:56,041 --> 02:11:57,750 It's changed my voice. 1864 02:11:57,750 --> 02:12:00,833 It's a little repetitive. 1865 02:12:01,500 --> 02:12:03,291 So I pulled it. 1866 02:12:03,291 --> 02:12:04,000 That's being rewritten. 1867 02:12:04,666 --> 02:12:06,291 But actually, I think it's more fitting 1868 02:12:06,291 --> 02:12:09,750 because the book that I wanted to release 1869 02:12:09,750 --> 02:12:13,250 first, Stress Hacked, I was going to 1870 02:12:13,250 --> 02:12:15,500 release second because the final thought 1871 02:12:15,500 --> 02:12:18,416 war was complete and Stress Hacked was 1872 02:12:18,416 --> 02:12:20,916 only about 90% complete 1873 02:12:20,916 --> 02:12:22,166 when I made this decision. 1874 02:12:22,958 --> 02:12:24,416 But now Stress Hacked is 1875 02:12:24,416 --> 02:12:25,625 complete going through editing. 1876 02:12:26,166 --> 02:12:28,083 So now I'm having to redo the editing of 1877 02:12:28,083 --> 02:12:29,125 the final thought war. 1878 02:12:29,125 --> 02:12:31,250 So they're going to get reversed, which I 1879 02:12:31,250 --> 02:12:33,833 originally wanted it that way anyways. 1880 02:12:34,291 --> 02:12:38,875 But I've written to various levels of 1881 02:12:38,875 --> 02:12:40,250 finished seven books right now. 1882 02:12:40,458 --> 02:12:41,041 So they'll be slowly 1883 02:12:41,041 --> 02:12:42,875 released over the next few years. 1884 02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:44,458 That's impressive. 1885 02:12:44,833 --> 02:12:46,083 I'll definitely be getting 1886 02:12:46,083 --> 02:12:47,083 every single one of them. 1887 02:12:47,208 --> 02:12:48,875 And as I mentioned during our sort of 1888 02:12:48,875 --> 02:12:49,125 initial 1889 02:12:49,125 --> 02:12:50,375 correspondence, that's impressive. 1890 02:12:50,625 --> 02:12:51,416 So I'm still trying to come 1891 02:12:51,416 --> 02:12:52,583 up with the concept for one. 1892 02:12:54,375 --> 02:12:55,458 Alex, again, thank you 1893 02:12:55,458 --> 02:12:56,541 so much for your time. 1894 02:12:56,541 --> 02:12:58,458 This was, again, at the risk of being the 1895 02:12:58,500 --> 02:12:59,541 most truly a pleasure. 1896 02:12:59,958 --> 02:13:01,458 And I'm just grateful for the opportunity 1897 02:13:01,458 --> 02:13:03,541 to talk to you this morning. 1898 02:13:04,666 --> 02:13:05,000 Awesome. 1899 02:13:05,000 --> 02:13:05,125 Yeah. 1900 02:13:05,125 --> 02:13:06,375 Thank you very much for having me.