Hey there, Alex, it's great to finally

connect and to have

you on the podcast today.

I know it's a little early there.

And as you've just mentioned, you've just

got your first born

that's come into your life.

So I really appreciate

the time that you're taking.

Now, familiar, I'm sure that most people

in this space who are familiar with

molecular hydrogen are to at least some

extent familiar with you and your work,

especially as you've been on the podcast

circuit a lot in recent times.

But for those in the audience who maybe

just aren't familiar with you and your

story, would you mind just running us

through how you end up in this space?

Yeah.

So this would be going back about a

decade, maybe a little bit more.

I was in a completely different field.

It gave me a lot of freedom

financially and time wise.

And so my time was

spent largely exercising.

You know, and competing a little bit of

competing and CrossFit, but helping

friends get prepped for

fights in martial arts.

I was training four to six hours a day

and I got hit with the mystery virus.

It caused an autoimmune like response.

I developed sudden onset narcolepsy.

I was sleeping 16 plus hours a day.

If I sat down for more than

a minute, I'd fall asleep.

That was a narcolepsy aspect.

And I had central nervous system fatigue.

So my strength was normal, but I couldn't

do anything explosive.

Like couldn't jump an inch

off the ground, basically.

Sorry to interrupt.

Was there anything sort of postural then

sort of a sort of a POTS component?

Do you think?

A postural orthostatic hypertension sort

of element to that, just with that sort

of CNS fatigue or it just sort of screams

that sort of

autonomic dysregulation to me.

Or do you think there was another

underlying trigger there?

Yeah, I mean for hypertension, my blood

pressure by memory wasn't that abnormal,

but that was something.

Especially when this happened, my resting

heart rate was in the mid thirties.

My blood pressure was

like a hundred over 70.

I remember it spiked a little bit, but

nothing that the doctor

itself was concerning.

What was the most concerning is my

C-reactive proteins, which

were 35 milligrams a liter.

Wow.

It's like...

Or line cancerous.

Yeah, it's a hundred times abnormal, you

know, and now mine are undetectable.

So, you know, 150, 200 plus times higher

levels of inflammatory

markers than what I currently have.

So that lasted a few months and all of a

sudden the dust cleared and things

started settling back down to normal.

And by normal, I mean my C-R-P dropped to

like three, which is still what you'd

expect when you're sick,

when something is going on.

But not 34.

But when that happened, I had developed

osteoarthritis in 11 joints.

So the high levels of inflammation for

months had basically ravaged every joint

that I'd had a previous injury in.

Doctors told me that I should never work

out again, you know, put me on high

levels of like anti-inflammatories and

cortisone injections.

And I just knew that

wasn't a forever solution.

At 29 years old and having my life

largely been about fitness and exercise.

So I just dove deep into what we now call

biohacking and looking for absolutely

anything that could regulate the

inflammatory response.

I came across research on hydrogen,

hydrogen water and bought

a machine for like $5,000.

Went on my Mary Way.

I was doing countless other things,

various supplements, various, you know,

therapies, doing cold exposure, you know,

sauna, like doing all this, this stuff.

And also was doing the

anti-inflammatories in

the cortisone injections.

I must have loved you.

Yeah, about nine months in, I fainted in

the gym a few times.

I wasn't processing my nutrients.

I developed multiple ulcers.

So I had to abruptly stop the

anti-inflammatories.

Then my inflammation spiked again.

All my joints froze.

I couldn't put on a shirt, you know,

couldn't, had to lie down

to put on socks type thing.

And I had to go back to the drawing board

because obviously none of the biohacks I

was doing were properly working.

Only the drugs were working

and dove back into the research.

And I found new studies on hydrogen water

and molecular hydrogen.

And they kind of pissed me off because I

had this $5,000 machine and it was doing

nothing for me, but it just dawned on me.

Well, what dose am I getting and what

dose are they using in the research?

So I started buying the full papers to

read the material and methods, quickly

discovered that not a single one of the

clinical trials was using an electrolysis

machine like I'd bought.

Um, they were all reporting

concentrations and dosages of age two.

I had no idea what I was getting.

I found a reagent to test the hydrogen

and it was undetectable.

I had to triple the

input to detect anything.

So it was, you know, 0.03 parts per

million is what I was getting, which is a

small fraction of the minimum observed

therapeutic threshold to have any

physiological effect and the minimum

threshold to do anything in the body is

not what's going to work or work for the

best, you know, for, for anything.

So that, uh, gave me a bit of hope and

there was nothing commercially available

other than these,

these electrolysis devices.

And, uh, I started doing some tweaking

and then I found there was some emerging

stuff coming out and I started testing

yet it had loads of problems.

But, uh, basically between my own, like

Jerry rigging of getting these reactions

done and trying to maximize it, I started

getting to about three parts per million

and drinking several

liters of the water a day.

Um, I was pressurizing

it in like thermoses.

Um, a few actually exploded in my fridge

from the pressure build up.

Like, so that was a fun issue, but, uh,

within like a week and a half of getting

in this high dosage, daily dosage of

hydrogen, my joints all loosened and I

started feeling energy again and feeling

better and I started thinking, wow,

there's, there's something here.

Um, but, uh, I had a bit of a sober

second thought, um, cause I was using

elemental magnesium, uh, doing this

reaction and I knew enough about the

basic chemistry to know that I'm making

hydrogen, but I'm not a chemist and I

didn't know if there were any side

reactions that were making something

toxic or harmful, uh, am

I doing something wrong?

Exactly.

Are there heavy metals?

Um, so I tested the magnesium I was

getting and I pulled in this magnesium.

I'd found sources in, in like Eastern

Europe and in China, right?

Because the, the stuff controlled in the

U S like eventually, which is what I'm

using, I'm using a pharmaceutical grade

of the magnesium, but I had to go through

an extensive background check to, to get

it and export it, you know, through the

state department, because it's heavily

controlled right in the U S.

Um, and the stuff I was getting in from

Eastern Europe and China was never

labeled as magnesium.

It was always something like

silver paint powder, right?

Like, um, because I learned it was

illegal for them to export.

So, um, I tested it.

The heavy metals were high, but not

dangerously high, like high to be doing

every day for the rest of my life.

Yeah.

Chronically.

Exactly.

Um, and, uh, uh, uh,

found my founding partner, Dr.

Holland, he, he's a

PhD, uh, organic chemist.

Uh, he's, he's

originally from the UK actually.

Um, and, uh, he's from the pharmaceutical

industry and I asked him to take a look.

At first he told me, I'm

going to save you the money.

This is the worst pseudoscience I've ever

heard in my life and gave me a long list

of reasons why this wouldn't have a

physiological effect.

And even if it did, why you'd want to

inhale rather than drink.

Um, fortunately I had read every single

paper at that time on molecular hydrogen

and its physiological

effects, um, including.

Data head to head from drinking water to

inhalation and the difference in bio

availability and

different organs and tissues.

So I shared this with him.

I rebutted every one of his points and he

said, well, you know, I'm shocked.

I still don't really believe it, but

peers, there's enough for

me to take a look for you.

Sure.

I'll, I'll take a look.

This is my right.

And, uh, he went on looking at my

formulation and the chemistry and every

day I just sent him a new study.

Um, just to pique his interest.

I was really excited at this time because

it had had such a profound effect on my

own health and I want to keep doing it.

Uh, and serendipitous serendipitously, I

sent him a one paper on a certain heart

disease model that I was not aware of,

but he was a lead chemist developing

small molecules to target

that disease at the time.

And it was, uh,

a phase two ish style, like, uh, double

blind clinical trial.

And, uh, he called and asked if I wanted

to meet for lunch and that

he had some findings for me.

And, uh, you know, he'd made some tweaks

to, to my formulation, but importantly,

he wanted to talk about that paper.

And he said the other papers he were, he

was just having to trust the conclusions

because he wasn't really a subject matter

expert, but, uh, he remarked that he was

on this model and told me he was

developing small molecules for it.

And he wishes the molecules, his company

was developing worked as well as this

paper, and he basically said, are you

sure you just want this as a do it

yourself project,

like nobody's doing this.

Shouldn't like you're sure you don't want

to commercialize this.

And, uh,

I thought long and hard about it.

Um, you know, I, I thought

who am I to enter this field?

I have no background

in this field, right?

Um, I, uh, don't want to go into

something that requires expertise and

just be pushing something

that I don't understand.

Um,

but I'd also promised myself because I

abandoned some business ideas that years

later, other people thought of and, and

you know, what went and distributed.

So I promised myself that I'd never let

an opportunity like that slip again.

Um, so I started doing my due diligence.

I spoke to attorneys, uh, the first

attorney I spoke to, um,

cause I was thinking about raising, you

know, funds and if I was going to need

to, and I didn't want to, but if I was

going to need to, what it would go and

strap this.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And, uh, he basically like I told him

what I was doing and the research.

And, uh, um, by this time we'd actually

developed a tablet that was working.

And after an hour meeting, he said,

listen, I'm not going to charge you for

this meeting and I'm not going to charge

you to get all this set up.

So long as you shake my hand and say that

I'm going to be your

corporate attorney as you get going.

So that gave me even more faith that,

okay, like maybe like there's something

here, there's something here, right.

And I'm getting this

kind of encouragement.

And then I, I, uh, hand pressed bottles

for about, you know, 40, 50 friends,

family members, friends of friends that

we're dealing with various chronic like

pain issues, like,

especially like exercise related.

And the response was just overwhelming.

Everyone's like, what did you give me?

This is, this is like magic.

Like this is fixing this or fixing that.

And all of these, uh, confirmations along

the way kept me going.

Um, the first year, year

and a half was arduous.

Um, it only took a few weeks for us to

finalize the formulation and a mortar and

pestle and making 20 at a time, but

making millions at high speed is a

different beast entirely.

And it was 15 failed scale of attempts

over a year and 3000 iterative

adjustments to formulation and process

before we got our first working

formulation that didn't work nearly as

well as those firsthand pressed tablets.

You know, and, and to be frank, um, even

the tablet we have today doesn't work

quite as well as the first hand pressed

tablets because everything you do in

manufacturing can take away, but we're

pretty darn close to, to what we did day

one, but now we're at least 10,000 get of

adjustments into formulation process to

continue refining, continue perfecting

and be able to make it high speed, but

now I had a working product and I can

make it, but the next question was, do I

want to just be like a zealot believer

or, or do I want to put my money where my

mouth is and see if this does work

because I can't look

at myself in the mirror.

I can't sleep if I think that I'm just

being a fraud, right.

And don't know.

So I set out on the next task.

I emailed every first and corresponding

author on every single human study on

hydrogen at the time and quite a number

of the rodent studies offering free

product, free placebo and donations.

If they wanted to use my tablet in the

research, I got some bites that kept

going and, uh, I'm a

big believer in truth.

So how most companies conduct research is

when they're paying for research is under

a research agreements, um, and results

can only be published

if the funding body.

Like agree with the findings.

Right.

I just don't believe that's ethical.

We don't know the truth if we don't know

what doesn't get published because if it

takes a company 10 times to find the

result they want, then it doesn't work.

Didn't work nine times.

Right.

Um, so cherry picking

dates are just based.

Yeah, exactly.

And this has allowed us, like we have

over 20 clinical trials.

Now we have more clinical trials underway

than we have published, but because at

every step of the way, um, I'm allowing

researchers to publish no matter what the

outcomes are, right?

They can publish if it doesn't work, they

can publish if it shows harm.

This allows them to get grants, you know,

from governmental bodies and agencies and

their, their

institutions to pay their salaries.

So the research we've done would have

probably cost in the nine figures, but

it's cost us maybe a

million or $2 million.

I haven't done the math, right?

But we've done the research for one, 100,

the cost of what most private companies

do because we are taking this risk and we

want truth to prevail.

And if we find out, if we found out it

didn't work or it's harming people, then

I wouldn't have been able to continue on

in the business anyways.

Right.

So I didn't want to be beholden to this

whole like shareholder primacy, which is

the biggest evil that's befall in the

Western world that I have to do

everything to protect earnings, you know,

either this is showing that it's working

and helping people or it's not right.

Because I can always find something else

to be my purpose and make money, but I'm

not going to do anything for

the purpose of making money.

Right.

Money is a tool for your purpose.

It's not the purpose.

Right.

So that's why I

structured things the way I do.

And at this time now we have 21 structure

function claims legal to like FTC, FDA

standards in the U S uh, like I

mentioned, we have over 20 clinical

trials, a bunch of preclinical trials.

We have more clinical trials on the

hydrogen tablets than every other

commercial hydrogen

water product combined.

And we have more

underway than we have published.

So our lead is just growing because of

our philosophy for truth and for science.

And, uh, again, really it's, it was a put

in your money where your mouth is like

I'm a believer, but I'm

ready to be proven wrong.

Right.

And let's see what the data shows.

Well, thank you for that.

That was the most comprehensive

introduction I've ever had from anyone.

So that was amazing.

And it definitely just speaks testament

not only to your character, but the

amount of effort you put into this and

just trying to overcome your own issues.

Um, I'd love to come back to the tablets

a little later on the conversation.

That's okay.

So I've got a few more questions there,

uh, but just kind of a quick tangent.

I mean, I can't do a podcast without

talking, uh, going on tangent quickly.

Uh, did you ever find out what was really

triggering, uh, your, your RA or the

other subsequent issues, what is sort of

mold issue or anything like that?

Or they, they, they think

it was a viral infection.

Right.

Um, it might've hit me

a little bit different.

Uh, so my roommate at the time who was

also a high level computing athlete, um,

it hit him different.

He, uh, had to go to

the hospital a few times.

He had pneumonia.

He missed a few weeks of work.

Um, he didn't have the

long lasting effects I did.

I think what might've contributed to what

happened to me is about a month prior.

Um, I stupidly competed in the CrossFit

competition about two days

after I'd had food poisoning.

And that left me so wrecked that I had

like borderline Rabdo.

Like I couldn't walk up the stairs.

Like I slept on the couch because like in

my house, I was on the second floor and

like, I couldn't make it up the stairs.

So like for a couple of days, I slept on

the couch downstairs as my legs were like

shaking and, you know, not recovering.

Um, yeah, yeah.

Again, I should have dropped out of that

competition, but I was 29 and stupid and

thought I was invincible.

So I imagine that gut disruption and

severe stress following of trying to

compete after food poisoning is what

triggered the response

to the virus that I got.

Yeah.

And I, I, I, I'm not going to judge you.

I grew up a competitive

cyclist and, uh, it's different.

It's a lovely sport.

It's very safe until you fall off in

which case it's not.

But yeah, and I sort of

trained myself into living.

I gave myself, uh, a benign bradycardia,

uh, used, yeah, same vibe.

Used to sort of train until you threw up

in your nose, bled, and then sort of

wiped it down and just carried on.

And this is, and then all of a sudden you

hit that critical threshold and your 20s,

where everything just

starts to fall apart.

There's a quote from a jujitsu competitor

that I like quite a bit.

Um, when you hit 30,

you no longer get injured.

You start collecting

permanent disabilities.

Like that.

Um, yeah.

And I think, yeah, there's definitely a

law of diminishing returns, as you know,

when it comes to, uh, to exercise.

And I suppose it's, it's, it's quite a

nice sort of way to sort of segue into

the rest of the conversation.

It's a bit of an automatic stress is a

good thing, but too much is detrimental.

Yeah.

I mean, this is a book I'm writing that I

hope to release by about July called the

Stress Hacked and it's not

just the body, it's the mind.

So it's two books.

Um, they meet in the center.

You know, inverted kind of like yin yang,

because we can't be strong in body

without strength of mind and we can't be

strong in the mind without health and

strength and figure in the body.

Um, but all of that, uh, I mean, hydrogen

is a hormetic stress.

It's just a very mild one.

Right.

And with every hormetic stress, whether

it's emotional, psychological, whether

it's physical, uh, you need a certain

threshold for it to be therapeutic.

But if you go too

much, it can be harmful.

And typically when you do too much, it's

more harmful than the absence of it.

And, uh, the right dose for any type of

stress, whether it's physical or mental

depends not just on the individual, but

intra individual every day.

What other stress do you have?

What is your current state?

Right.

So that CrossFit competition that, that

ruined me was no harder than any other

one I'd done or my usual training.

But because I just had food poisoning a

couple of days before it was too hard.

The entirety of that sort

of LST at load as it were.

Exactly.

Right.

And this is what a lot of

people don't understand.

And what I see is the big problem that a

lot of people, even medical doctors are

recommending universal protocols.

Right.

That this is your longevity stack of like

core meat expressors and everyone should

do this exact thing every day.

And it's insane.

And it really speaks to poor

comprehension of how hormesis works and

how our physiology works.

Yeah.

No, I couldn't agree more on this.

I think it's definitely something we can

come back to a bit later on.

Um, yeah, my apologies.

Uh, I'm the king of tangents.

I am ADHD on top of everything else, but,

uh, I'd like to maybe take a step back

quickly if that's okay, Alex.

And then, and talk more about, um, how

molecular hydrogen is working now, uh, in

our sort of initial discussion, I want

you to go down the, the sort of the

mechanism of hydrogen ions and how they

sort of drive the production of ATP

through the electron

transfer chain, all of that.

And you thankfully put me on the right

track and, and sort of, uh, uh, yeah.

Sort of pointed the conversation more

towards sort of the semitic side of

things, which is what we'll discuss now.

Um, but as sort of a molecular level, I

mean, you've, you've already sort of, uh,

alluded to it with this discussion about

hormesis, but how is molecular hydrogen

fundamentally working to improve the

function of the cell of the mitochondria

and subsequently improve

the health of the individual?

It's closest to, to hormesis, but it's

not really hormesis because we haven't

found the upper limit

where it's, uh, harmful.

It's sort of like an anticipatory stress

with which our body expects to be a

stress, but is so mild that it never

seems to appear toxic.

Um, now we clearly

evolved to anticipate this.

Um,

if you look at our last

universal common ancestor,

it actually fed on hydrogen

as its fuel source, right?

That spawned all life on the planet.

Um, our mitochondria came from

eukaryotes, which was sort of like a

handshake deal between, you know, a

hydrogen producing and a hydrogen

consuming, you know, organism and, uh,

uh, went out to that, that carried on

through us now in living things,

including the, uh, the, the, the, the,

the, the, the, humans, we all have

bacteria that produces hydrogen gas and

much more relevant to human evolution.

Um, we make our H2

endogenously by fermenting fiber.

Now, if you look at, uh, the diet or

ancestral diets in our hunter-gatherer

stages before the last 10,000 years of

modern horticulture, we were consuming

100 to 150 grams of

dietary fiber per day.

Right?

Tremendous amounts.

Today, the average person in the Western

world gets 10 to 15 grams, but that

includes raw food vegans,

who are getting like 60 to 80.

The average person on a standard American

diet, eating a fast food and takeout food

diet, is getting zero to

three grams of fiber a day.

Want to talk about the carnivores?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Bacteria is like any other living thing.

If you stop feeding it, it dies.

We now know that even supplementing with

fiber, for a lot of these people, once

you hit middle age, you've had a poor

diet, you haven't eaten fiber your life,

the hydrogen producing bacteria have died

off and what has taken over are

methanogens, which are producing methane

right instead and

actually consuming hydrogen.

So you end up with this hydrogen

deficiency and hydrogen seems to be this

ancient signal that we have.

So yes, there's a very, very mild direct

stress to the

mitochondria that attenuates NFKB.

So that's how it's regulating our

inflammatory responses.

It's activating the NRF2 pathway.

That's how it's regulating the redox

status, the harmony between our

endogenous antioxidants and our

beneficial stressors, right?

Like nitric oxide and

H2O2 and H2S and so forth.

So hydrogen is kind of this supervisor.

It's a signal that comes and the dials

start getting turned.

So hydrogen doesn't activate or inhibit

anything universally.

You look at all of these markers that we

see in the literature and there's

examples of hydrogen activating them or

attenuating inhibiting them, right?

Depending on the context, but always for

a beneficial response.

So for instance, in the longevity space,

a lot of people talk about autophagy.

When you think that you always want to

activate autophagy, which is simply not

true, there's a lot of instances where

you do not want autophagy activated.

So hydrogen in many instances activates

autophagy, but in key instances in the

research, it has completely inhibited

autophagy, such as after drowning

resuscitation, after

heart failure, right?

These are instances you don't want

autophagy happening and

hydrogen's inhibited them.

It's the same thing with

oxidative stress and inflammation.

Now,

these are important parts of our

physiological function.

What's dangerous about them is when

they're chronically dysregulated, either

too much or too little.

More often than not, it's too much, but

there are plenty of

instances where it's too little.

So for instance, a lot of antioxidants,

like they, one don't work.

The research has shown that high dose

antioxidant therapy leads to higher

all-cause mortality.

Reductive stress.

Yeah, reductive stress, exactly.

So antioxidants can be good for some

people, some of the time, because if

you're in chronic oxidative stress and

you have some more antioxidants, it can

bring you back down.

But if you're just loading up the dose

and taking more and more and more, and

you're doing that every day, you reach a

point where you went to reductive stress,

which is just as

harmful as oxidative stress.

Hydrogen actually is not doing this.

It's regulating our

endogenous productions.

It's not working as a direct antioxidant.

So there's some cool research in say rats

to enforce swim tests.

And this is a model that we use to

evaluate stress, you

know, exercise induced stress.

In the hydrogen plus force swim test

group, the rats actually see a higher

spike in oxidative

stress and inflammation.

So their stress response gets

potentiated, but then they rebound to

homeostatic function faster.

So it's as if they worked out

harder and recovered quicker.

So hydrogen is not blunting the the

hermitic stress response, the adaptive

stress response of

stressors like exercise.

It's in fact potentiating

them, but then protecting

against dysregulation and bringing you

back to harmony faster.

So all the jumbos can relax about them

taking it's not like taking high dose of

urgency off your workout and then just,

yeah, it's not gonna

bludger hypertrophy gains at all, right?

It's actually gonna potentiate them.

So that's really interesting.

And this is what we're seeing.

And hydrogen is doing

this for a lot of markers.

I know in our talks you

mentioned PGC1 alpha, right?

And a lot of these markers that are

linked to things like caloric restriction

and fasting, hydrogen seems to mimic them

sometimes, you know,

in the right context.

Now, what I find very interesting, and I

still don't have a full grasp on what

this means from an evolutionary

standpoint, but throughout our

hunter-gatherer phase, our times of

caloric restriction were typically the

inability to hunt and

secure meat and fat.

So we would have relied on more

plant-based food sources, which back then

had far more fiber and

were less calorically dense.

So we would have been getting enough

nutrients and enough fiber, but we

wouldn't have been getting enough

calories and enough protein, right?

Going into this deep like fasting-like

state, this caloric restriction that

activates all these pathways.

Well,

interestingly, during these

times of famine and fasting,

their hydrogen, endogenously, would have

been amplified, like our ancestors,

because they would have been eating more

and more plant-based

foods full of more fiber.

So they would have been getting these

huge erratic spikes of hydrogen, which

perhaps protected them

in these times of famine.

And perhaps this is a signal that we've

brought with us to modern times.

So what's the

protein-sparing effect, do you think?

Well, we do know there's one interesting

study in Drosophilia, where they

stop food source on these fruit flies to

see how long they survive.

And the group that's been

supplemented with molecular hydrogen,

they survive for substantially longer.

Then, you know, the

fruit flies have the control.

So there's some

interesting factors there.

Again, not only is it activating these

caloric restriction-type pathways, but

it's preventing death

and harm from extended.

So it's regulating our response to these

physiological stressors.

Yeah, that's fascinating.

Okay, well, you've

definitely answered all my questions.

And I'm glad to see that you sort of at

least agree on the fact that, well,

sorry, post-cholesterol words, that you

like my idea that it's going to also

support mitochondrial biogenesis by way

of potentially upregulating PGC1 alpha,

which for the audience is a, I think, is

technically speaking transcription

factor, that then drives the production

of more of these

mitochondria within the body,

which for most people, and which is

something I think a lot of people seem to

forget about is they don't realize that

there is this high level of mitochondrial

turnover that's constantly happening.

And as you alluded to earlier, like

everything else,

mitochondria become damaged.

And when you're in a highly inflamed

state, you're going to not only lose the

capacity of those mitochondria, but

you're also going to

lose mitochondria in tandem.

I mean, I'm sure you're familiar with Dr.

Robert Navier's work on

the cell danger response.

I'd be actually quite

interested to see what he thinks.

Are you familiar with

the cell danger response?

No, no, not off the top of my head.

Okay, so Dr.

Navier, it's more of a thing in the sort

of the CFSME community.

Obviously, people are struggling with,

yeah, your chronic

fatigue syndromes, but Dr.

Navier posits essentially that when the

cell is stressed, the mitochondria

particularly is going to go into what's

called a cell danger response state.

And it's going to inhibit it, which is

going to inhibit the ability to utilize

fatty acids to drive ATP to production

through oxidative phosphorylation, and

that they're then going to

sort of rely more on glycolysis.

And in doing so, you are going to down

regulate the metabolism of that cell to

the extent that it actually is not able

to, yeah, that you then start to lose the

ability of that cell to effectively

communicate with neighboring cells, but

also just to produce ATP

in the effective range.

And you cycle through what is essentially

cell danger, CDR1, 2, and 3.

And individuals who are in this CDR state

tend to sort of get stuck in CDR1 and 2,

which are these

states of cellular arrest.

And I'm just sort of trying to plug it

all together here, but I would be kind of

interested to see what

molecular hydrogen would do

just with regards to his work.

I'd be happy to send you

this information on his work.

Yeah, send it all, I'll

take a deeper look for sure.

Yeah, no, I think it's definitely one of

the metabolic theories that explains a

lot of cellular dysfunction and not only

chronic fatigue, but why people get stuck

in a state of chronic inflammation and in

a state of chronic hyper

immune reactivity as well.

Alex, I'd love to have a deeper dive into

hydrogen and the gut.

Now, I know you've talked about this

previously, and maybe I'm butchering

this, so please feel free

to correct me if I'm wrong.

But from what I understand, hydrogen is

involved in the production of short-chain

fatty acids, is that correct?

So we don't know the exact mechanisms

yet, but we have shown in research that

it can increase certain short-chain fatty

acids like propionic

acid, butyrate acetate.

There's been quite a number of studies

showing improvements to the microbiome.

We have again shown with the tablets that

we can reduce calprotectin, so there is a

lot of gut protective

effects that are happening.

We can activate hormones in the gut, like

we've regulated ghrelin and GLP1 in

clinical trials and pre-clinical trials.

So there's a lot of gut-based responses

that are happening that mechanistically

we do need to uncover more, but it could

in part be due to this constant ebb and

flow of gases that we have in our gut

right now, and how modern lifestyle has

dramatically shifted this dynamic away

from what we evolved to expect.

So by supplementing with high-dose

hydrogen, especially for the gut water

because it's getting into your gut, this

could be basically substituting for what

we're lacking in our lifestyle.

Okay, and just on that train of thought,

if you've got more of these short-chain

fatty acids, one would assume that you're

going to sort of develop more acrimensia

and other beneficial bacteria.

They're not only going to increase.

There is some research that hydrogen can

increase acrimensia too.

Okay, or directly.

Yeah, well, that supplementing with

hydrogen water leads to

higher levels of acrimensia.

Now, whether that's

direct or not, we don't know.

Most of the things hydrogen is doing is

indirect because when it's tipping the

scales on our system and it's dialing up,

dialing down in all these various ways,

there are countless

downstream changes that occur.

So with everything hydrogen, it seems to

be largely systemic, at least to the

tissues that are

being properly saturated.

So it's still unraveling the rat's nest

of what's downstream of what

in terms of hydrogen's action.

Yeah, and then just on the GLP1 side of

things, have you done any investigations

or research as your team into the

metabolic effects of hydrogen, maybe say

relative something like GLP1 agonist?

Is there any data out there to show that

these compounds are effective at helping

to regulate those satiety hormones?

So we have, I think it's now seven

clinical trials showing substantial

improvements in body composition and

metabolic health, including ones that are

under peer review right now.

We've regulated, like I mentioned, GLP1.

We returned the peaks and valleys to

ghrelin showing proper hunger responses.

We've modulated the neurochemistry

involved in satiety.

We consistently show improvements in

various metabolic markers as well, such

as blood sugar insulin, cholesterol,

triglycerides, everything like that.

Again, it's going to be a lot more subtle

than throttling a GLP1 agonist full time,

but hydrogen isn't a sledgehammer, right?

What it is, is it's a fine tool to

recalibrate and then over time, your body

slowly gets more and more efficient and

does things more and more properly in how

we evolve to behave.

But it's not going to be

shocking changes overnight.

We're seeing the best metabolic effects

after three months, six months.

The longer you take hydrogen, the better

the results are getting.

Yeah, no, I mean, that makes perfect

sense, of course, because I think people

take this sort of very reductionist view of appetite at the moment

anywhere that it's just GLP1.

But when you're in an inflamed state, and

as most people struggling with metabolic

disease are, you're going to have high

levels of inflammation, you're going to

have low levels of dopamine, you're going

to have dysregulated ghrelin,

dysregulated leptin signaling, all of

which are going to

feed into this cascade.

It's not just about the GLP1.

And subsequently, yeah, if you can work

to improve that environment, to sort of

re-model or regain that homeostasis, I

would have met with something like

molecular hydrogen, I would assume that

you are then rebalancing the entire

satiety system within the body.

And I suppose it's just taking a sort of

a root scores approach to it apart from a

post as you sort of mentioned, just

that's rocking GLP1 and hoping to god you

don't end up with

pancreatitis in 10 years time.

Yeah, and that's the thing.

Hydrogen is, it's not

acting like how we define a drug.

It's not having a direct effect on a

certain receptor,

right, or enzyme in the body.

Like hydrogen is playing this regulatory

role, like a supervisor within our cell

that's directing subtle changes, and then

our body starts to correct its own path.

Yeah, definitely.

What do you think about the idea of sort

of running a GLP1 alongside

something like molecular hydrogen?

I know it's a bit of a blunt, a sort of

low hanging question, and definitely

something that you'd want to

sort of just clip on a reel.

But I think that's something that people

would want to be interested in.

Is that, I mean, just speaking from your

own position, would that be something

that you would sort of well endorse, but

at least

hypothetically say is a good idea?

So actually, this gets into what I think

is the future of the research.

And we've now published a number, I think

half a dozen of preclinical trials.

And we have many more that are either

under peer review, under manuscript prep,

or in planning, where we're utilizing

concurrent use of the hydrogen tablet

delivering an approved pharmaceutical

ingredient, right, an active

pharmaceutical ingredient.

What we're finding over and over again is

that hydrogen is acting synergistically

to potentiate the responses of these

drugs, while also

mitigating the side effects, right?

So it could lead to futures where a lot

of these drugs, we can be delivering them

in much smaller dosages, also reducing

the side effects, getting better results

and improving people's health, because

there are many, many instances where we

do need direct pharmaceutical

intervention, you know,

for a lot of specific states.

So actually, there's certain, you know,

GLP1 agonist molecules that are available

in say powder form that we've identified

on our shortlist to be doing research to

look at the combination usage of them

with the hydrogen

tablet as a delivery method.

And this is a future channel I am going

into that we're actively going down.

It is exploring the use of the hydrogen

tablet as what's called a, you know, a

pharmaceutical

excipient that enhances the

availability of the compound

or reduce side effects, like basically a

functional excipient.

So I don't want to

register hydrogen as a drug.

I don't think it fits

into the drug dynamic.

I don't think it works as a standalone

drug on any one disease, but

basically getting it through the

regulations like this, a whole wide array

of pharmaceuticals could be added to the

tablet delivery method, work

complementary or synergistically, reduce

side effects, and basically

be great for everyone involved.

From pharmaceutical companies who who are

putting in less of their expensive

ingredient to get the same effect and

probably charging the same on the market.

So making more profit in that sense, but

for consumers getting better health

results with lower side effects, you

know, and better

long-term improved health.

So it's something I'm

really excited about.

And that's what we're going to be going

down more the next few

years, five years, 10 years.

I mean, that's incredible.

I mean, I was aware of the fact you were

compounding America hydrogen with various

nutraceutical agents, things like PQQ, I

think chromium as well.

There are a few tablets in the market

that you've got that include those

specific molecules, but I didn't have any

inclination or understanding that you're

going down the the

pharmaceutical rabbit hole.

So that's incredibly interesting.

And yeah, I look forward to

seeing the results of that.

Unfortunately, I'm a synthetic chemist.

I'm a biochemist, so I

can't offer you insight there.

But yeah, that sounds fascinating,

something I'll definitely keep my finger

on the pulse, the pulse on.

Now,

Alex, I've heard you sort of talk about

and discuss various other ways in which

hydrogen can be introduced to the body.

Speaking of other

ideas you have, I suppose.

So looking at it from a topical

standpoint, I know it's inhaled.

Do you think that there's a sort of a

solid future there as well?

I mean, I foresee molecular hydrogen

being utilized from a topical standpoint

to maybe deal with autoimmune conditions

like exomens, rices, where there's a high

inflammatory load locally on the skin.

And obviously, I assume too, just

speculating here that there would be some

sort of anti-aging effects from a

different sort of...

Yeah, wrinkle reduction.

There's actually research showing reduced

wrinkles with bathing in hydrogen water

and algae leaves on fruits.

So I think the future, we're going to

drink it, we're going to bathe in it, and

we're going to inhale it.

And when you look at all three of these

routes of administration, they all have

different pharmacokinetics.

They saturate different

tissues to different extents.

So there is some crossover, but we're

going to be able to identify better and

better as time goes on.

For this model,

we want to say bathe and

inhale or bathe and drink.

And we're going to be able to develop

better suggested protocols.

Now, I do want to say

again with all hermudic agents,

developing these standards in

double-blind RCTs are important from a

population standpoint, but every person

is going to have different results and

you're going to want to adjust it based

on your current state.

But we will be able to identify at least

that inhalation is better for this,

drinking is better for that.

For instance, what I'll say, bathing,

obviously it's getting to a higher

concentration, far higher in your skin,

in your muscle and

connective tissues and such.

Inhaling, it's obviously

getting higher to your lungs.

It's getting substantially higher to your

muscles and skeletal tissue than

drinking, but not bathing.

It's getting higher to your brain than

drinking, but drinking the water is also

activating gut derived hormones like

ghrelin, which have

an effect on the brain.

So I think for brain issues,

you want to inhale and drink.

Drinking is obviously

getting to your gut the best.

It's interacting with

the microbiome the best.

It's getting to your liver

at the highest concentration.

So all of the metabolic outcomes of

hydrogen are our best through drinking

high concentration water, but we're going

to be finding out more

and more as time goes on.

And this is a real area of research focus

to figure out which method at what dose

is optimal for what condition.

And I've dove into the inhalation space

where we're just gearing up to announce

the soft launch of Inhale H2.

That's a project that myself and Dr.

Tyler LeBaron have

worked on for seven years.

He's joined us as our

chief scientific officer.

So this is the first product he has ever

endorsed because he's the co-inventor and

it is truly new and novel.

We are the first inhalation device on the

market that matches what

can be done in the research.

You can basically choose

anywhere from 1% up to 4%

with every decimal point in between of

hydrogen and your time.

But the key is

it's a full

re-breathing mask with a bladder.

We've developed the system

to mimic human breathing.

So every breath you take is that

controlled exact percentage of hydrogen.

Whereas with these cannulas,

you might breathe in a liter, two liters

at once in a deep breath,

but that's in one second.

And now you didn't get

100% of that hydrogen in.

That breath is maybe 0.1% or 1% depending

on the flow rate of H2 because these

nasal cannulas are constant flow rate and

they're trickling in.

And they're a fraction of what your

actual resting rate of inhalation based

on minute ventilation

and tidal volume are.

And most of the H2 is just wrapping up

straight out of your mouth.

Yeah, it's sort of a Hindenburg wake that

happened right there.

Yeah, so we developed this machine to

mimic human breathing and to work like

they're not using any of these machines

from China or Japan

in the clinical trials.

They're mixing gas tanks and sending them

to 60 or 100 liter a minute flow rates so

that every breath you take

is guaranteed to be that dose.

We figured how to do this with these

one-way valves and this inflatable

bladder, where even at a 12 liter a

minute flow rate, you can guarantee that

every breath you take

is the exact percentage.

Yeah, I believe again, correct me if I'm

wrong, but I think the issue with the

Japanese units is that they just

under-dosed the amount of hydrogen.

They got so wrong.

Yeah, they got so wrong.

Yeah, so you ended up underdosing it.

Yeah, so basically, we breathe at rest,

like say sleeping 68 liters a minute.

As we're sitting talking at a computer

like this, we might breathe 10 liters a

minute, 12 liters a minute even.

Most of these machines at the 4% gas are

at a constant flow rate of

one or two liters a minute.

Now, at a constant flow rate, so it's

just coming in at a constant rate, you'd

actually need 60 to 100 liters a minute

to make sure that every

breath you're taking is at 4%.

So that's what we've resolved.

All you can breathe is from the bag.

Everything you get is from our reservoir,

which is a bladder that

fills up and then contracts.

So you can open the door and see the bag

filling up, contracting with your breath

and know that everything

you're getting is just 4%.

That's incredible.

What's the ET on that project again?

So our betas got great feedback.

We've made all the changes.

We're actually just finalizing more of

the processing details.

We're putting out a soft launch offer.

So we have such overwhelming support

between myself and Dr.

LeBaron's connections.

Everyone wants this machine.

The last thing we want to do is order

30,000 of them and find that there's a

problem, like a small problem on the one

that derails our launch.

So we're doing a lot of things.

We're doing a limited launch of a large

but relatively small amount compared to

what the demand is of some really trusted

networks who know both Tyler and I well

and know that we're

going to treat them right.

Because again, even if

everything's great on the machine,

ordering 30,000 machines, selling 10,000

machines a month or something, it's going

to be difficult to scale up enough

service techs like engineers and customer

service and everything to make sure

everyone's getting the experience and the

support that they deserve

and that we want to give them.

So that's why we're doing this soft

launch test order to make sure that we

have the infrastructure enough to scale

up to make sure that everyone is getting

a very high level experience.

Yeah, well, I'll

definitely start saving my pennies.

Just quickly on that one again.

So is this going to be sort of direct to

consumer or do you sort of foresee it

being a sort of a

clinical tool to begin with?

Yeah, so we have a lot of networks of

spas and functional practitioners that

want to be onboarding these, but they'll

also be the direct consumer.

Okay, that's brilliant.

Well, that gives me a bit of hope then.

Alex, I want to be aware of your time, of

course, but I don't think we could have a

conversation about molecular hydrogen

without at least not quickly discussing

hydrogen generators.

Now, as I mentioned earlier, I've

listened to a few past cards you've done

just in preparation for this one.

And I know that they, it's just based on

what you said, the past

that they do seem to struggle.

I know you've mentioned something called

Henry's Law and that there's

an issue with gaskets there.

And the fact that these units can't

necessarily produce the amount of

hydrogen that they do on day one, on

maybe day five or day 10.

Is this something that you

envisage maybe solving yourself?

Is this a problem that

you would like to tackle?

Or is it sort of a bit outside of your

wheelhouse at this point?

So funny enough, I have a patent on a

bottle that uses the

tablet to generate hydrogen

that I developed years ago.

And we knew all these

problems were existed.

And we didn't use Chinese engineers.

We use engineers well

in Canada at the time,

ordered all the parts in, built them

ourselves by hand with

this engineering firm.

What we were getting like concentrated 13

parts per million in these

prototypes we built, right?

So stable, clear, you can drink, we

thought there was going to be great

applications for this, but even getting

gaskets that were rated like five times

higher than what we needed,

not a single one of the units lasted 10

uses before the gaskets were separating.

But even if the gaskets get better, what

we started noticing is the pressure,

because we're getting to 130, 140 PSI of

pressure, it was

starting to unscrew the bolts

from the force.

So we were getting leaking

from all sorts of angles.

And I want to

say that just think about this concept.

This table that my computer is on, maybe

it's rated for 200 pounds.

And say I take a 40 pound weight, and I

drop it from a couple

inches once, table's fine.

But you just keep picking that up and

doing it five times a day, every day.

That reaches a point and not too long

where the table breaks.

Is it a point limit to material fatigue?

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So this is how these pressurized bottles

work is yes, no matter how

high up you go in the rating,

it's that repeated below

pressure, which eventually breaks.

And just think about how a drop of water

can carve through a mountain,

right?

Just a constant drop over and over.

In time, it will break.

So the question isn't if these machines

can ever not break, they

will always break, right?

It's just how much does it cost to make

sure that they last six months instead of

six days to a couple weeks?

And how much does that cost to do?

So none of these manufacturers seem to

have to be improving on this, which tells

me that to make improvements is going to

drive up the cost so much for not a good

return on longevity.

And like I said,

we were rated, I can't remember, but our

gaskets were rated to something like 750

PSI or something like that.

And still, they all

broke under under 10 uses.

So let me get this right.

So it's a bad solution relative to, say,

the tablets, which have a low barrier to

engine terms and costs have a high yield

in terms of hydrogen that they are.

And they're consistent every time.

So even at their best, these bottles that

are getting up to five parts per million.

Well, that's five parts per million and

typically 250 milliliters.

So that's 1.25 milligrams of each tube.

We're getting 12 parts per million in 500

milliliters if you prepare and drink it

as we suggest, which is

six milligrams of each tube.

So we're getting close to like five times

as much hydrogen when

these bottles are new.

And then all of a sudden, a month later,

now we're getting 30,

40 times more hydrogen.

So even when they're brand new, they are

not getting close to the

dosage that we're getting.

And they break pretty fast.

And not just even if they solve the

gasket issue, there's a secondary issue

of the membranes

slowly start breaking down.

And as they break down, maybe they're

releasing heavy metals.

We don't have the data on that yet.

They're a consumer device.

So they're not legally mandated to post a

long-term safety kind of info like that.

We know that DuPont has put season to

cyst to all the Chinese manufacturers

that they're not allowed to use their

membrane because their membranes aren't

rated for contact with something that's

for human consumption.

So if DuPont is stopping their sales,

saying that this is an intended for human

consumption, that tells

us DuPont knows something.

Or at least to me, it suggests DuPont

might know something that the Chinese

manufacturers don't yet.

So they've almost all switched to their

own membranes now, because DuPont has

removed the ability to use theirs from so

many of these manufacturers.

And those I assume are

questionable as well.

I'd just like to see the data.

I don't want to say definitely this is

going to deliver this or be harmful.

It's just too many questions that I

wouldn't personally use it

until those are answered.

But then the final kicker is to make

these machines, one, you don't want glass

because that becomes a bomb or shrapnel.

So you have to use plastic.

And then with this repeated

pressurization over and over again, how

many microplastics and PFAS are you

getting into the water?

So that's another question.

Yeah, definitely.

Like I said, I think it's just finding a

complex solution to a problem that

already has a simple

answer, in this case, tablets.

Alex, you've been amazing truly, and

maybe it's just me, but I get way more

starstruck talking to someone like you

than I ever would a Tom Cruise type.

Before I let you go, though, and I do

need to let you go, I'm aware of that,

would you be okay if we just ran through

a few rapidish fire questions quickly?

Yeah.

Okay, brilliant.

Thank you.

All right.

So just off the bat,

you mentioned this a second ago, but

what's the best way to

use molecular hydrogen pads?

I think that the best way is

one, room temperature water.

I designed it for room temperature water.

Now, the reason for that is we can't

really guzzle or chug

cold water or hot water.

So we designed it to react ideally in

room temperature water.

You don't want it to be highly alkaline

and not distilled either.

So you want a little bit of electrolytes

like TDS in the water, but really

anywhere from three parts per million to

200 parts per million.

So basically every bottled water on the

market and every re mineralizing RO

system and every tap water source other

than if you're in a well with super hard

water is going to work fine.

Just don't use alkaline ionized water or

highly alkaline mineral water.

Don't use carbonated water, which I know

is a lot more popular in the UK and

Europe than here because then the

hydrogen is competing with the CO2 for

partial pressure and the CO2

wins and it sparges out the H2.

That would screw with the

zeta potential, is that right?

Yeah, so I mean, one, it's going to

disrupt H2, only so much can stay in.

It's not going to allow saturated H2.

There's going to be more collisions which

increases the bubble size

of the quasi dissolved H2.

So it's just going to

lead to a bad result.

I'd say 500 milliliters is what we

designed this for, but the best volume of

water is what you can guzzle rapidly.

So for instance, in the elderly trials,

we use 250 milliliters and most of the

middle aged like metabolic

trials, we use 330 milliliters.

So I guzzle a liter first thing in the

morning, but I'm a big guy and so

exercise a lot and I can chug a liter

first thing in the morning

with a lot of my supplements.

Most people can't.

So I put a few tablets in a

liter and then chug it down.

But again, most people can't do that.

I will say you want to

take it on an empty stomach.

I do have IP demonstrating that hydrogen

in an aqueous solution that has dissolved

polysaccharides retains the H2

nanobubbles and creates gels and foams.

So that's going to

happen in your stomach.

And actually there is data like someone

unaware of my pending IP at the time

about this made these

hydrogen rich like jello.

It was a physicist in Vegas that I ended

up talking to a bunch and he dropped the

project because he found out about my IP.

But they were measuring the hydrogen

leaving in the urine after.

I'm like, well, if it's all leaving in

the urine, then it's not

circulating in your body.

So hydrogen works by

like other hermetic stressors, you want

this spike and then

this return to baseline.

So you want to peak in a valley.

So you don't want to eat it with a meal

heavy and like carbohydrates or fiber

because they're going to retain the H2

and it's not going to hit that rapid

spike into yourselves.

Yeah, definitely.

Next one.

Have you ever thrown down a tablet down

the hatch and then

chased it down with water?

Have you sort of ever done that?

So I have, I don't recommend it because I

have when I'm in a rush, I know Dr.

LaBaron talks about it.

He does it when he's in an absolute rush

and doesn't like he's late walking up the

door, I'm late walking up the door and I

don't have like a minute to spare.

Why you wouldn't want to do that is if

you don't drink enough water, right?

And then you might get some

unpleasantness in your gut.

So we can't recommend that.

People are really, really bad at judging

what enough water is.

You know, I see even

when I see people like,

even people I'm friends with or family

members, I'll see them drop like a tablet

in like 50 milliliters of water.

And I'm like, what do you

think is going on there?

Like, you know, stop doing that.

Right.

So I see that and know that if I tell

people, yeah, you can swallow it and

chase it with water, they're going to

swallow the tablet and take a sip.

Right.

And now that's not nearly enough water.

So you're not going to get

the same therapeutic effect.

But moreover, you're going to potentially

make your stomach upset.

Right.

And long term use of that, maybe you're

going to develop an ulcer or something.

So don't do that.

I mean, there is a way to do it safely,

but there's not a way to advise it to

people who are going to listen and do it

safely, if that makes sense.

Yeah.

Is any, sorry, quick tangent on that one.

Is any exothermic

reaction or heat developed?

That would also be an issue, I'd imagine.

Okay.

Moving on quickly then.

Besides molecular hydrogen, what single

molecule excites you the most when it

comes to supporting health,

supporting human longevity?

That's in the pipeline, perhaps, or

something that may already exist.

Yeah.

I mean, I know we've

talked about Tessa Fencine.

I really like that molecule.

I'm getting it off the black market.

I basically quit drinking and have no

desire to drink alcohol

since I started Tessa Fencine.

I have much less cravings for food.

Other than that, it's hard

to pinpoint a single molecule.

I probably take 100 pills a day, and then

liters of supplemental liquids and stuff.

So it's really, really difficult to

pinpoint one thing, and

especially with everything,

it depends on the context.

For instance,

something like methyl folate.

When I was getting off Tessa ulcerin

replacement and trying

to regain my fertility,

high dose methyl folate, like five

milligrams a day, has been linked to

improving male fertility.

But you only want to do that for a month

or two, because if you're doing that long

term and you're not

countering it with other B-wedding...

Yeah.

I mean, because

absolutely, with something like TMG.

Too many methyl donors.

Yeah.

All right.

It's going to lead to some problems.

Definitely.

I mean, the moment you start playing

around with the methyl folate cycle, the

folate cycle, you've got to be careful

and you've got to have an understanding

of your genetics as well.

Okay.

So I'll skip one.

And the final question is, what's the

next for you on the health front?

Obviously, you've been through this

journey, and I know

there's still a long way to go.

I think you said you were a candidate for

a few different operations.

What is next to you in terms of you

trying to optimize your health, if you

don't mind me asking?

So with me, it's always

just trying to improve.

And I've been getting

rounds of stem cells.

They've helped a little bit.

I need to keep doing that.

I'm really actually excited about some

other protocols that we're seeing in

rodents, but haven't

jumped to humans yet.

There's protocols where they're doing

micro drilling into joints, even if

there's just very small pieces of it and

injecting them not just with stem cells,

but various peptides and

block building molecules.

They're able to completely

regrow joints in rodents now.

But there isn't even the highest end

clinic in the world that's trying these

protocols in humans.

So I'd say that is something I am

desperately looking forward to, to try

and actually regrow the

joints that I've lost.

Yeah, I can only imagine.

Alex, you've been a star.

Truly, I appreciate this

conversation more than you know.

Where can people find you if they do want

to learn more about you, if they do not

want to learn more

about hydrogen tablets?

I assume you would point them to HRW.

And then I know we mentioned it earlier,

but just yet, plug your

book that's coming out shortly.

Yeah, so alexternava.com is my website.

My Instagram is the same at Alexternava.

I have a ResearchGate account that you

can read some of the papers that I've

published or co-authored on.

Again, it's Alexternava, my ResearchGate.

For the tablets, I mean, I

supply to like 100 brands

with the Trink HRW.

I've written a lot of

blog content for them.

There's a lot of good content I wrote.

Some of it is pretty dated.

I would have written it four or five,

six, seven years ago.

But even the dated stuff

is still mostly accurate.

There's just new information that could

be rewritten, but that's

really on them to update it.

I can't be rewriting

stuff for them forever.

But yeah, those would be the best spots.

If you're on my social media or on my

website, you'll see the new podcast

editions that go live.

You'll get announcements

from my books as they're coming.

So I actually released one book, but then

I read it after it had gone

through the editing process.

And I learned a lot because I had

approved every

paragraph that was being edited.

But just looking at the paragraph through

kind of like a keyhole,

and I didn't think to

read it chronologically.

And then it came out and then I pulled it

because I started

reading it chronologically.

I'm like, oh man, this is lost nuance.

It's changed my voice.

It's a little repetitive.

So I pulled it.

That's being rewritten.

But actually, I think it's more fitting

because the book that I wanted to release

first, Stress Hacked, I was going to

release second because the final thought

war was complete and Stress Hacked was

only about 90% complete

when I made this decision.

But now Stress Hacked is

complete going through editing.

So now I'm having to redo the editing of

the final thought war.

So they're going to get reversed, which I

originally wanted it that way anyways.

But I've written to various levels of

finished seven books right now.

So they'll be slowly

released over the next few years.

That's impressive.

I'll definitely be getting

every single one of them.

And as I mentioned during our sort of

initial

correspondence, that's impressive.

So I'm still trying to come

up with the concept for one.

Alex, again, thank you

so much for your time.

This was, again, at the risk of being the

most truly a pleasure.

And I'm just grateful for the opportunity

to talk to you this morning.

Awesome.

Yeah.

Thank you very much for having me.