Ian

Foreign for Humans, a podcast all about life in consulting.

Ian

You're with Ian and with Mike, and in each episode of the show, we'll be shining a light on a new topic that gets to the heart of what makes consultants happy and successful.

Mike

On the Consulting for Humans podcast, it's our mission to add just a little more humanity to the lives of consultants.

Mike

We'd also love to bring some of these skills and perspectives from consulting to human lives as well.

Ian

Absolutely.

Ian

So if you're a consultant who's trying to be more of a human, or even a human who's trying to be more of a consultant, then welcome, because we think you are just our kind of person.

Ian

Mike, what's on our agenda this week?

Mike

Well, Ian, today we're talking about consultants and language.

Mike

We're hoping to explore some of the examples, the strange and sometimes alienating language that consultants use, from the annoying to the hilarious.

Mike

We're going to talk a little bit about how our use of language can get in the way and provide some tips and examples for keeping language plain and simple.

Ian

Oh, my.

Ian

This feels like it's going to be a really fertile ground for us.

Ian

The easiest thing in the world, I think, is to tease a consultant for using impenetrable business BS kind of language.

Ian

And I always feel slightly seen when this comes up because I have a sneaking feeling that I do this enough myself to be part of the problem here.

Ian

So where should we start?

Ian

What do you think we could be talking about?

Ian

Should we go through some categories of the kind of things that we have in mind here?

Mike

I think that's a great idea, Ian.

Mike

Certainly.

Mike

Acronyms.

Mike

Acronyms, always.

Mike

What are the usual suspects to round up?

Mike

MECE and SWAG and sow.

Mike

We've invented some of our own and teach it Gimo.

Ian

We talked about Gimo a few episodes ago.

Mike

Absolutely.

Ian

And his close cousin jfdi.

Ian

So it's funny.

Ian

Maybe this is.

Ian

Mike, I should defend consultants here, but maybe it's totally forgivable and understandable.

Ian

These are slightly complicated four or more word phrases that we abbreviate.

Ian

And abbreviating is just an efficient use of time.

Ian

Right.

Ian

It's just a nice way of shortening something.

Mike

Don't you think it's funny?

Mike

I always love this, and I think any professional occupation does this.

Mike

And I can't for the life of me recall at the moment the Navy's acronym book for all of its acronyms.

Mike

It is, of course, it's written in order so that people will understand better what we're talking about, but the name of the book itself is an acronym, which, of course, somebody who doesn't understand has no idea what it means.

Ian

You're putting me in mind of Tom Clancy books here, talking about the Navy.

Ian

Maybe a consulting project should have, like, a Tom Clancy style glossary of all the acronyms at the back so you can look at what kind of guided missile it is that we're talking about today.

Mike

That's right.

Mike

That's right.

Mike

And what I love is how we've talked about SWAG before that we had very different.

Mike

It meant the same thing, but very different words to use that for that thing.

Mike

And when we were doing research for this episode, we found a number of other people who use swag and again, all used slightly different words for each of those letters.

Ian

Indeed.

Ian

And everybody's pretty sure they've got the right one, right?

Ian

Yeah.

Mike

Oh, of course.

Ian

I think it's forgivable.

Ian

I'm prepared to go with, like, use of acronyms.

Ian

It's teasable.

Ian

But also forgivable.

Ian

What pushes my buttons a bit more, Mike, is the.

Ian

The grammatical mangling of verbs as nouns or verbs that become based on nouns.

Ian

And you and I are guilty of at least one of these.

Ian

So leverage.

Ian

We'll talk some more later on about leverage, because it's a great example of a consulting cliche.

Ian

But leverage is a noun, and we talk about leveraging something so it becomes a verb.

Ian

And that already makes me squirm a little bit.

Ian

The.

Ian

The noun.

Ian

The compound noun.

Ian

Storyboard, which we use a lot, gets turned into storyboarding.

Ian

Oh, I'm going to storyboard my PowerPoint deck.

Ian

And we're guilty of that one.

Ian

We have solutioning.

Ian

What are we doing now?

Ian

Oh, we're solutioning.

Ian

No, we're not.

Ian

We're creating solutions.

Mike

Right.

Ian

And I saw a great example of somebody saying, oh, I'll.

Ian

I'll conversate with him later.

Ian

Meaning I'm going to take the abstract noun conversation and I'll turn it into a verb.

Ian

I don't know why we do this, because it's not necessarily making the language any clearer or shorter.

Ian

It just seems to make it sound unnecessarily exclusive and indirect.

Ian

What do you think?

Mike

It just seems to be a habit.

Mike

It's just something we seem to do over and over again as if we were xeroxing it.

Ian

Good.

Ian

I see what you did there.

Ian

What else?

Ian

What about you, Mike?

Ian

What grinds your gears?

Mike

It's this over verbose usages of things that could have very simple, ordinary meanings.

Ian

We found one, by the way.

Ian

There's a really good video on YouTube by the YouTube account called Consulting Humor that breaks lots of these down.

Ian

They come up with a great one.

Ian

The consultant says we will implement a phased approach to improve operations by leveraging synergies and industry best practices to add value across your organization.

Ian

Which is actually consultant speak for we will help you to be best.

Ian

Right Mike, I can top that with a real example.

Ian

This also strays into the world of military metaphor that we're going to get into in a second.

Ian

One very senior partner level person that I was working with insisted on a slide headline in the kickoff presentation for a consulting project that said something like we will mobilize and prosecute a four phase plan of attack.

Ian

Very much a very military sounding and the very skeptical, very non military female client said what does that mean?

Ian

And he went we're going to prosecute and mobilize and blah blah blah blah.

Ian

She said does that mean start and continue?

Ian

And the consultant said yeah, I suppose it does.

Ian

And she absolutely rinsed him, just leaving hanging there.

Ian

The question of why did you write all this macho BS in your slide headline when you could have written start and continue wouldn't have sounded as good, at least in his ears.

Mike

I think war kind of metaphors brings me always to mind of old white guys.

Mike

Yeah.

Mike

And in a lot of my time has been old white guys in the South.

Mike

I remember comments like that dog won't hunt.

Mike

Yeah.

Mike

And other kind of folksy metaphors that are used now.

Mike

Interestingly, I just finished this week the book the Demon of Unrest and one of the tales in there was about how Abraham Lincoln, not an older white guy from the south, but from Illinois, but he would use these folksy metaphors and tales to get himself out of conversations he didn't want to have or to not answer questions to do things.

Mike

There may be more wisdom behind some of these than I realized early on.

Ian

By the way, dodging tricky conversations and avoiding awkward moments is absolutely core consulting skills 101.

Ian

So I think we all need a bit of that.

Ian

It's good to know that we can learn from Abe Lincoln.

Mike

Right?

Ian

Although the Gettysburg Address is famously, I can't remember, it's only a few hundred words and it was only like a minute and a half or something.

Mike

He was brilliant in some of that as well.

Mike

He could certainly play both sides of that continuum.

Ian

So we've had a bit of toxic masculinity here.

Ian

We've had war metaphors, we've had over verbose usages, we've had folksy metaphors I think we're probably also guilty again, probably coming back to the old male demographic here, sports metaphors.

Ian

We're on the five yard line here, we need a full court press.

Ian

I'm giving you a Hail Mary pass.

Ian

I think.

Ian

I know there's all bros together social thing that we're trying to get going here and I appreciate that.

Ian

Sports is about ambition and achievement and achieving something within the set time.

Ian

All of which are valuable things in consulting, but I think some of us overuse them.

Mike

Yeah, I absolutely agree.

Mike

As somebody who was not very sportsy, I remember spending a lot of my early dial up time trying to figure out what are these people talking about and making sure that before I had any client interactions or office interactions, I always read the summaries of what had happened that weekend before so I could be in on the news.

Ian

Yeah, yeah.

Ian

There's a really funny episode of the British sitcom the IT Crowd where these two IT consultant geeks, they're not consultants, but they're geeks, are in the basement and they have this kind of phrase generator that comes up with sporting stuff about the weekend.

Ian

So you don't have to have followed the sports report, but you can join in with your buddies in the bar.

Ian

I can relate.

Mike

Speaking of it, I do see a lot of that too, or hear a lot of that, that IT language used out of context here.

Mike

That becomes then great consulting jargon, bandwidth use case, full stack, agile, data warehouse, end to end solution user.

Mike

What's next?

Ian

Mike?

Ian

It's funny, I used to have a client that was an IT services firm and I used to roast them for using end to end as a cliche to describe everything that they did.

Ian

And there's one particular guy said, but you don't understand, we really do offer an end to end solution.

Ian

And he went on to describe one terminal device at one side of the network all the way to another terminal device on another side of the network and all of what that meant.

Ian

And I was like, mate, I've glazed over just the fact that you had to explain it to me and that you resent it for being a cliche means, do you know what?

Ian

It's a cliche and it's too late.

Ian

Stop using it.

Mike

I got a feeling prompt engineering is going to become all things to all people pretty soon.

Ian

I think you can be right.

Ian

I think I can see that one coming soon.

Ian

All of those AI bits of terminology are going to creep in more and more.

Ian

I think another thing that IT consultants have taught the rest of us consultants how to do is is how to repackage things.

Ian

The 90s and 2000s era of great big it enabled change and transformation resulted in lots and lots of this.

Ian

And when consultants try and sell things, I think we're very often tempted to put a big new sounding or fancy sounding label on something I might get.

Ian

You were involved in the genesis of E Business as a term.

Ian

Right.

Ian

Way back in the day, E Business meant something really specific to a very narrow group of people before it became the thing that everybody did.

Mike

It did.

Mike

And I think the real giveaway here is that the original name for E Business Solutions was network based Business Solutions for Business.

Mike

And it was like that's what Abby, who was a great marketing person said.

Mike

I think maybe we call that E Business Solutions.

Mike

Oh my gosh.

Mike

Yeah.

Mike

We could have had a firm that just went on an old heap to die had it not been for that.

Mike

Abby's brilliant insight there.

Ian

Well, it paid off.

Ian

Right.

Ian

Again, let's give ourselves some credit because lots of these pieces of jargon at a point in time said something very memorable and concise and specific about something that everybody needed to be able to talk about in shorthand.

Ian

So that would have been great.

Ian

The difficulty was what came for the 10 years after when everything that anybody talk about, advertised, sold, offered, discussed, wrote about on LinkedIn posts would have had the same word attached to it.

Mike

Absolutely.

Ian

Consulting down the ages is littered with these time and motion back in the mid 20th century business process, re engineering, downsizing in the 90s and noughties, agile digital things, digital marketing, digital communication strategies, digital transformations.

Ian

We've ended up in some cases overusing these words for forgivable but unnecessary reasons.

Mike

And we do turn them sometimes.

Mike

I remember when downsizing became right.

Mike

Sizing.

Mike

Yeah, we don't want to come in and do downsizing anymore.

Mike

That's hatchet job we do.

Mike

Right.

Mike

Sizing.

Ian

We're not those consultants.

Ian

We're the new friendly.

Mike

No, exactly.

Ian

So Mike, it's easy to mock and probably it's very reasonable that all of this stuff should be mocked.

Ian

It's not only a problem because it makes us parody able.

Mike

Right.

Ian

I think the problems that lie behind this difficulty with language go deeper than just that.

Mike

They do.

Mike

They absolutely do.

Mike

Because they have the risk of leaving our clients and perhaps other folks in our firm in different areas or new joiners or junior consultants on the outside because they don't speak that jargon.

Ian

And we can dig into this some more in a later conversation.

Ian

I think there's a social aspect of dividing people up.

Ian

People who know the language versus people who don't, or creating pretend bonds of friendship between people who have the same language.

Ian

I think it's a really interesting problem for us.

Ian

Words that get used ubiquitously.

Ian

You've reminded me of another one.

Ian

I had a friend who was very skeptical of people's tendency to use the word strategic.

Ian

And he found that consultants and clients alike would all tend to describe everything that they did as strategic.

Ian

Oh, this is a strategic partnership.

Ian

It's a strategic initiative.

Ian

I'm a strategic supply chain manager.

Ian

And his sort of subversive way of addressing this was to pretend in his mind that anytime he heard the word strategic, he'd substitute the word lightweight.

Ian

And this used to cause him to giggle a bit in meetings.

Ian

So the client would stand up and say, I'm the director of strategic marketing.

Ian

And he would go, yes, director of lightweight marketing.

Ian

Oh, yeah, yeah.

Ian

This is a strategic initiative for us.

Ian

It's a completely lightweight and disposable initiative.

Mike

I remember when we were so upset with inflation back in another era, not just in this one, real inflation, that the mandate went out that we're no longer to speak about that.

Mike

We're going to call it banana.

Ian

Yeah, okay.

Mike

And the high rate of banana.

Mike

So that would somehow take the sting off of it.

Mike

But clearly, in both cases that we've been talking about there, it shows the adverse corrosive effect of jargon.

Mike

I've got a doctorate in strategy.

Mike

Strategy was my coin of the realm.

Mike

And to know that somebody said, ah, that means lightweight, that completely undercuts my value.

Mike

And I think we came upon that undercutting, honestly, by making everything strategic, which means, of course, therefore, nothing is strategic.

Ian

Amen.

Ian

Yeah, yeah.

Ian

So let's think about lessons for us here.

Ian

Part of this is we should just catch ourselves a little bit when language is getting used too freely, when we're drifting away from the original meaning of something and it creeps up on us.

Ian

Like, it starts, as you said, Mike, for good reasons.

Ian

And it creeps up on us and it undercuts stuff that is important.

Ian

What can we do instead?

Ian

What thought process could we use to drive out some of this fluff and cliche?

Mike

I think in the spirit of irony, in the spirit of reversal, we went to what we thought would be an absolute guru ninja, thought leader in the area of simple and direct language.

Mike

The United States federal government.

Mike

Oh, yes, but I say that, and we can all snicker and laugh up our sleeves.

Mike

But actually, once upon a time, there was passed the plain language action and information network guidelines.

Mike

Yeah, what?

Mike

What oh, plain.

Mike

It's the acronym, plain.

Mike

But when you get into the PLAIN guidelines, it's great advice for all times.

Mike

These are things we could actually do.

Ian

Oh, Mike, I love a guideline.

Ian

I love a list of bullet points.

Ian

Talk us through some of the things that might be covered under the plain guidelines.

Mike

The first is write for your audience.

Mike

And boy, I'll tell you what, truer words were never spoken.

Mike

The explanation says, always consider the intended reader's level of understanding and tailor your language accordingly.

Mike

I thought, wow, good.

Mike

Could we have saved forests full of trees had we done this in a lot of consulting reports?

Ian

Absolutely.

Ian

A little bit of empathy for the audience is never a bad starting place, is it?

Mike

Yeah, yeah.

Mike

Now the second one says, always use the active voice.

Mike

And I thought, oh, here we're going to get into.

Mike

You and I are on opposite sides of the pond.

Mike

And the use of active versus passive voice, seen very differently.

Mike

So you could tell this is the us But a colleague of ours, Midge Wilker, when we used to teach this, particularly in the uk, used to say, okay, you've been on a project and you've been away from home for quite some time now, and you return home and your significant other comes out of the house, runs up and says, you are loved.

Mike

And she says, as opposed to I love you.

Mike

And that was her point to say, even where you love the passive, you can understand directly how active sometimes makes a difference.

Ian

Yeah, it's normally a shorter word count, but also it's just more direct.

Mike

Right.

Ian

It's more honest.

Mike

Yes.

Ian

Has agency behind it as well, to use a vogue word, which is probably also going to be a cliche pretty soon.

Ian

What else have we got, Mike?

Ian

What else about our choice of words?

Mike

So simple language, everyday words, not complex terminology unless necessary, so where it actually conveys a real meaning.

Mike

By all means.

Mike

Short sentences, concise to the point, clear organization.

Mike

And this is something consultants should be living and breathing.

Mike

I had a secretary who nailed me on this once years and years ago, said, I always love typing your memos, Mike.

Mike

I can't wait to get to the end to find out what you're actually talking about.

Ian

Oh, Bern.

Ian

It's funny though.

Ian

I think that we teach and lots of people practice structured thinking for big, complex technical things like PowerPoint documents.

Ian

I've met loads of people who could use some help in structured thinking when it comes to, like, emails or even IM messages, like just getting some structure behind how we think and how we communicate.

Ian

I think it's a big payoff.

Ian

Excellent.

Ian

So clear sentences, clear Organization.

Ian

I think those are great points.

Ian

What else?

Mike

Well, back to what we've been talking about all episode so far.

Mike

Avoid jargon and acronyms.

Mike

Right.

Mike

And again, technical terms, when used, should be explained.

Mike

And always consider alternative phrasing for acronyms.

Mike

Make sure to spell out what they are.

Mike

Positive tone rather than negative phrasing because it's easy to misunderstand.

Mike

Negative phrasing and visuals.

Mike

Tables, lists, graphics to enhance clarity and comprehension.

Mike

So as to the plain act, probably long forgotten from every recent government document I've read.

Mike

But to say it was good advice still is good advice, I think.

Mike

Always will be good advice.

Ian

It really is.

Ian

And the other thing I like about this, even though this all sounds really easy and elementary, I think every single person could take anything that they've written and apply those tests and say, do you know what?

Ian

I can find some places where I'm creeping into cliche, or I'm overusing jargon, or I'm using complicated syntax like passive voice, when I could be using direct syntax.

Ian

It's a really good reminder.

Ian

Excellent work.

Ian

Excellent work, Mike.

Ian

There's a lot for us to think about here, and even just kind of language and structure and visuals are things that we can talk about in future episodes.

Ian

But the list is a really great starting point.

Mike

And I'd add that the starting point for all of this is to have something clear to say.

Mike

Yeah, maybe our language.

Mike

Yeah, it may get unnecessarily complicated when we haven't yet come up with a clear idea of what we want to communicate.

Mike

Was it Voltaire who said, I've written you a very long letter because I didn't have time to write a short one?

Ian

Yeah, it's really great stuff for us to think about.

Ian

There's so much fertile ground here, Mike, that we can go further with this in the Luminaries episode.

Ian

So if you're interested in what's going on in the minds and the hearts of US consultants that makes it so difficult for us to be clear and direct with our clients, linguistically speaking.

Ian

If you're interested in that, join us for the Luminaries tier.

Ian

If you're interested in looking at the purpose or purposes of consulting and the impact that has on the words that we use, join us in the Luminaries tier.

Ian

And if you want to dig into the facts behind some of these consulting cliches that might actually have an origin story that's way more interesting and way more useful than you think, if you'd like to hear about that, join us in the luminaries tier.

Ian

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Mike

As always, we look forward to speaking with you again next episode.

Mike

And thank you for joining us.

Mike

We hope the new year is a good one for you.

Ian

And we're really looking forward to joining you in 2025 for more of the consulting for humans.