I think we need to be careful

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how much we run our lives

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based off of risk.

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And we need to be faithful

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to what God is calling us to

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and recognize that

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sometimes God calls us to things

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that in man's eyes is considered risky,

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but we can rest in the

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protection that God offers.

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So Jared, tell me where we're sitting right now.

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So right here, we're on

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the edge of a farmer's fields

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and this here where the grass

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is, is a potential minefield.

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And as you can see here on the other side,

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we have dirt that's been worked up, but yeah,

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it's farmer's fields that now

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are classified as minefields.

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And what is a minefield?

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Like unexploded munitions, things like that.

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Like what are we looking at here?

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And yeah, tell me what that means.

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Yeah, so you have a

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minefield from recent conflict

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or it doesn't necessarily have to be recent,

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but from conflict that then explosive ordnances

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are left behind, whether

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it's planted there intentionally

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by means of land mines, or

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it could even be explosives

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that did not explode as intended,

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whether it be rockets, mortars, bombs,

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any of that stuff is left after a conflict

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and then that creates a potential minefield.

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Which we're trying to be safe in here and stuff.

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So we're obviously on this side of the sign,

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but if I were to go walking in that field,

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no guarantee I'm coming back.

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That's correct.

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That's the unknown with this field

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is we don't know what's in there.

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But here's what I don't understand.

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So the conflict is over, there's no war here,

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et cetera, where we're obviously, where we're at.

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Then why is this still risky?

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I always had this impression that government

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or military, somebody after the war is over,

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they'll come and clean all this up

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and the farmers can have their field back,

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but clearly it's just grass now.

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They're not working this, obviously,

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but I heard that's not the case.

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Tell me more about that.

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So the best that I

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understand is the military often,

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they will clear in order so that their troops

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can safely travel through.

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And so that there could be an element of clearing

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done by the military, but

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as the frontline shifts,

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they clear, they find certain things

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to keep their troops safe,

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but then as they move on,

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this is what's left behind.

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from areas of conflict, and when they come back

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to their homes after the conflict,

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then they come to places

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like this and their fields

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and go to work up, this is a

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big agriculture country here,

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and go to work up their fields,

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and this is what they're faced with.

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Anything that's been left behind

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that is now basically their responsibility.

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So like the farmers have just

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left with this, essentially.

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Yeah, this is, in a sense, their responsibility.

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It's not stated in that way.

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There are demining companies, there are people

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who do clear fields, but

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if a farmer is to come back

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and to restart his life again, and if his fields

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have mines in them or unexplored ordinances,

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it's up to him to get that

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taken care of in order to farm,

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unless somebody else steps in.

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So you're describing what appears

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to be a pretty massive problem?

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I mean, this is one of just many, many fields,

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and if it's just left here, for say the farmers

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or civilians trying to

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move back after a war is over,

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that seems like an issue.

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But how does that relate to

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the work that you're doing here?

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Yeah, so yeah, so we are

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working directly with the farmers,

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and so they show us the fields that they have

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that have not been cleared.

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They are clearing many of the fields.

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I mean, they are coming

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out here day in and day out,

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and disking fields.

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We have many, many

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stories of farmers getting hurt,

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blowing up their tractors.

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So we're here working directly with them.

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runs with nobody in the cab,

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so we can run it remotely

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or completely autonomous.

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And we're offering to disc their fields

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so that they don't have to put one of their guys

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in the tractor.

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And this is something that,

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an idea we actually got from the farmers.

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There are farmers out here who

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are setting up their tractors

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to be run remotely or autonomously.

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that we can offer to them

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because these farmers,

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they've come back to their farms,

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their equipment's blown up,

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their houses are destroyed,

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their farms are destroyed,

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and this is just one piece

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in which we can help them

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get back on their feet.

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So what you're describing sounds very,

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almost like a friend-to-friend level

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or at a very organic community-based level.

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But I know one question people will have is,

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well, does that mean

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you're taking sides in a war?

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If you're coming in, say, to this field,

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and you clear it to where it's safe

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and a farmer won't go out here

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and blow himself up, essentially,

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are you taking sides in a war?

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And tell us why that's not the case.

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Yeah, so absolutely not.

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This has nothing to do with taking any sides.

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We're working with the civilians

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who are dealing with the aftermath of war.

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And so it doesn't matter which country

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or which side we're working for.

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the locals there.

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And so we could work on

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either side of the conflict.

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If you're in an active war zone,

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you could be on either side.

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But it's about working directly with the locals

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and has nothing to do

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with picking a certain side.

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So it's not like you're

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collaborating with the military?

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Absolutely not.

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Yeah, and I think that's really important

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because there's the acronym EOD, right?

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Which tell us what that means, for starters.

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Explosive Ordnance Disposal.

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So an explosive ordnance,

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so maybe a bomb that's dropped

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that didn't explode, but it is an explosive

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and it needs to dispose of.

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So that's what you're

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doing, essentially, EOD work.

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technically get into disposal,

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that aspect of it.

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and then we report it to the authorities

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and they come out and dispose of it.

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So we're considered EOD, but it's,

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we're not the disposal.

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We don't do the disposing ourselves.

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Sure, sure.

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But you're getting it out of the field

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so people can get on with their lives.

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or they see it in the news

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or something, the connotation is always military.

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I mean, at least it was in my head

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until I found out about this and we started,

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I started hearing about

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it and just come over here

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and you're like yesterday,

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you're showing me all this stuff

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around these fields and it's like,

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this has nothing to do with the military.

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This is just farmers out

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here trying to get landmines

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out of their field,

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literally risking their lives.

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Somewhere that

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connotation happens though with EOD,

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but again, just be really clear,

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you're a non-resistant Mennonite.

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Like this has nothing to do with that.

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But do you wanna say more on that?

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I don't know where that connotation is happening,

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where people get confused on that.

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Yeah, it's probably just because

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it's not a common thing

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that's done among Anabaptists.

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there's not any other Anabaptists

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that have ventured into the minefields

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and trying to locate

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unexploded ordnance and remove them.

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but the way we see it is as Anabaptists,

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we have done a tremendous job at humanitarian aid

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when it comes to rebuild.

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So in this area, there's Anabaptist groups

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doing rebuild after the war,

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putting on roofs doing house repair.

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There's food parcels bringing food.

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which help people get back on their feet.

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But then what about the farmer who comes back?

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He's getting his house rebuilt.

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He's helping, there's organizations

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helping with buying equipment.

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But then he comes to his field,

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well, what does his new tractor do in this field?

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And so it's just, the way we see it is,

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it's another step in helping

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them get back on their feet,

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helping them remove this from their field

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so they can get back to farming.

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Because if their fields are essentially locked up

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as minefields, they don't really have options

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to make a livelihood,

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at least not in their former occupation.

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If you imagine you owned

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however many acres of farmlands,

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and it's useless now after war,

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that'd be kind of devastating, actually.

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Yeah, especially in this area here,

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which is largely agriculture,

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their source of income is farming.

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And so in order for them to move forward,

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they must get back to farming.

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So what you're describing,

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is an issue in many places around the world.

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If I remember right, it's

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called the ERW or something,

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you were describing,

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tell me what that acronym stands for.

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So Explosive Remnants from War.

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So yeah, and that's across the globe, basically.

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Anywhere there has been conflict,

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you have explosive remnants from war.

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And what's the big problem with that is,

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they don't have expiration dates.

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So they can remain as long as they're there

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and they are not found.

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And so you can have a landmine

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that can last for decades

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and it can still be a threat.

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So that is a problem around the world,

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anywhere in these

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countries that there have been war,

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which has been almost all of the countries

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since modern warfare when we have explosives,

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that yeah, they can be left behind

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and they can still cause

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damage years after the conflict.

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And so again, this field, it might be 50 years,

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100 years, someone comes out

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here and steps on something

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and it might still explode.

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That's right.

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If no one ever comes in here and clears this,

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I mean, years down the road,

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there could be something in this field

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that could fatally hurt someone.

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This weekend, as you were showing me around,

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this was really clear suddenly.

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You were showing us,

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they're called butterfly mines

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or something, right?

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They kind of fall out from

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aircraft and are deployed

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and they kind of float

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down and lay on the surface.

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And they're so hard to see.

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Like we were walking through

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this field and you're like,

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just be careful, I'll show you where to walk.

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And so you take us up to the spot and we look

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and here's several that have been pulled out.

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And they're designed to basically like maim you.

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They're pretty small, about as big as your hand.

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And it suddenly kind of went click for me

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because I just interviewed Vince Lewis,

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who was a bomber pilot during the Vietnam War

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and his episode is up, people can go watch that

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and how he left the Air Force and things.

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But he said the US

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actually dropped a lot of those,

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these butterfly mines.

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And he had been back in

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Cambodia where he had done very,

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very country, he had done bombing missions years,

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like decades.

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I mean, when was Vietnam War?

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You know, 50, 60 years ago.

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And done these drops.

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And there was someone in that village, yeah,

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they'd stepped on one of those mines

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and had blown his leg off.

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And this was, I mean, decades after the war.

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And I was like, wow, and so

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we're looking at these things.

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And I'm just here being like, wow,

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if someone hadn't found that

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or hadn't pulled that thing out,

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50 years later, a child

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could be running through a field,

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step on that and it ruined their life forever.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it is a threat until it is removed

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and that threat can

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continue on for years and years.

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Yeah.

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So maybe we should dive in a bit on the process

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because people are probably looking at this,

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being like, this is kind of out of the box,

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it's a little crazy.

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And we should probably start by clarifying,

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you have had a lot of training and things

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before you started doing this kind of work.

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Do you want to tell me

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about the preparation process?

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Yeah.

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You say a lot of training

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and there's definitely some training,

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but I would say the main thing of training

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that went into specifically

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our work with EOD or demining

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would be we went to the country of Kosovo

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and there was a

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humanitarian demining school there

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that offered training for this type of work.

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And so that was a program that was six weeks long

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and that was very, very helpful.

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We also covered a lot of things that I would say

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are not helpful for what we're doing here.

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A lot of just some red tape stuff

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and a lot of procedures

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that are done across the board

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with larger demining companies.

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But some of the main things

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that we would have focused on

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a lot was a recognition of munitions.

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So that's really important

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when you got into a field

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and you see something,

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you need to be able to recognize

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whether it's a munition or not.

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And so understanding the

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different categories of munitions,

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rockets, mortars, landmines, submunitions,

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those are all different categories.

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So understanding recognition is very important.

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Another big thing, is it safe to handle or not?

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Some things are actually safe to handle.

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Yeah, you showed me one

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of these yesterday, right?

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We were walking a field and we go,

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"Oh, this is scrap metal."

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Oh, this is actually, was an explosive,

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but I know it's totally safe.

387

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This is completely safe.

388

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Oh, but that one definitely do not touch.

389

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I'm just following you, man.

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How am I supposed to know?

391

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Yeah, and so that was a big part.

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I think the main takeaway we

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took away from that training

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was recognizing what is an

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explosive, what's an ordnance,

396

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and also then is it safe to handle or not?

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There's many things that we can look at

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on whether it's safe or not.

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Some of them, just because

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they have an explosive charge,

401

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they aren't going to blow up

402

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just because you pick them up

403

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because of how they're

404

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fused and that sort of thing.

405

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And if they're missing that aspect of it,

406

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because they're falling from the sky

407

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and they kind of fall apart,

408

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but they can also fall from

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the sky and be fully intact

410

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and with one nudge, or

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depending on whether it's a landmine,

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which is waiting for pressure.

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So if you provide that pressure, it will blow up.

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So understanding what is safe to handle,

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what is not safe to handle,

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that was a huge part of our training.

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But also then in preparing

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to come to work overseas,

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we did a lot of training within our organization,

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just general missions, overseas training,

421

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and that was a big part too

422

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in helping us in doing what we're doing.

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But I would say as far as

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the actual EOD training,

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that was the six weeks that we spent in Kosovo

426

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and that taught us a lot.

427

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And yeah, it is something

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that we day in and day out,

429

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we pray for wisdom as we're working

430

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and we have learned a lot

431

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as we have been in the field.

432

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And experience is a great educator,

433

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but you also want to be careful with that

434

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because in a situation like this, that education,

435

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you don't want to learn

436

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the hard way in that sense.

437

00:14:17,856 --> 00:14:19,775

Wow, yeah, that carefulness.

438

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And I'm not sure I could do what you do.

439

00:14:24,071 --> 00:14:26,031

Really, I'm just rolling with you guys,

440

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and you and your team the last couple of days

441

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and just being like, wow, this would take,

442

00:14:32,329 --> 00:14:33,414

you just have to be really steady

443

00:14:33,414 --> 00:14:35,165

and just pretty calm about the whole thing.

444

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And very alert.

445

00:14:36,333 --> 00:14:37,209

The main thing is being

446

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alert with what you're doing,

447

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constantly alert because of the potential dangers

448

00:14:42,464 --> 00:14:44,925

that are there, but alertness is key.

449

00:14:45,759 --> 00:14:47,803

And you've already talked about some of this,

450

00:14:47,803 --> 00:14:49,096

but isn't this dangerous?

451

00:14:49,388 --> 00:14:50,764

I'm sure people watching this be like,

452

00:14:50,764 --> 00:14:52,808

what, that's crazy, that's way too risky.

453

00:14:53,183 --> 00:14:55,936

Why would you do that?

454

00:14:55,936 --> 00:14:58,022

Tell me about that, is it dangerous?

455

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And then also, how did you assess that risk

456

00:15:00,899 --> 00:15:02,234

as you're thinking about moving your family

457

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over here to do this kind of work?

458

00:15:05,112 --> 00:15:05,863

Talk to me about that.

459

00:15:06,071 --> 00:15:06,447

Yeah, yeah.

460

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So obviously, there's an element of danger to it

461

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because we're dealing with explosives

462

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that if they go off, they can cause great harm.

463

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They can take life, they can maim,

464

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that's what they're designed to do.

465

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So we're obviously working

466

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with something that is dangerous.

467

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Now, we also are very calculated in what we do

468

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and we have techniques in which we do things

469

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and we don't plan on people getting hurt.

470

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Like we have ways in which we do it

471

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to try to avoid accidents

472

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happening and that sort of thing.

473

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But obviously, there's a level of danger

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because of what we're working with.

475

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The question as far as the

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risk and in evaluating that.

477

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So that's actually, I feel

478

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like that's a very good question

479

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and something to think about.

480

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And that is something that my wife and I,

481

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we have processed through.

482

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And I don't know that we fully,

483

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we're still working through this,

484

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but this is some of what

485

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we've had to work through.

486

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So no matter what we do in life,

487

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we always are evaluating

488

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risk in anything that we do.

489

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Whether we actually truly think about it or not,

490

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but subconsciously, there's an element

491

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to where we consider risk.

492

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Because the prime example is if you need to go

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to the grocery store and buy groceries,

494

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you hop in your car and

495

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you go to the grocery store.

496

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There's a risk involved in that.

497

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You might have a car accident,

498

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which could take your life.

499

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There's a risk.

500

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But we need food, we need

501

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to go to the grocery store,

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we weigh the risk, and we

503

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go to the grocery store.

504

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And so that's, we weigh that.

505

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And so the same for us,

506

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myself, my wife and our family,

507

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we weigh the risk that's involved in this work.

508

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And I think a big piece that

509

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has really affected our lives

510

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is both of our dads have died.

511

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And my wife's dad was a farmer.

512

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My dad was a preacher.

513

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We wouldn't view those as high risk lifestyles,

514

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but my wife's father passed away from cancer.

515

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My dad passed away in a car accident.

516

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And so I think we need to be careful

517

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how much we run our lives based off of risk.

518

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And we need to be faithful

519

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to what God is calling us to

520

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and recognize that

521

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sometimes God calls us to things

522

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that in man's eyes is considered risky,

523

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but we can rest in the

524

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protection that God offers.

525

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And if we're being faithful and following God,

526

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to me, that's the most important thing.

527

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I could be fearful of the risk that's here

528

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and say, "I need to pack up my family.

529

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"We need to go back to America

530

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and we need to live a

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risk-free life for my family."

532

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Well, my dad was killed in a car accident.

533

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My wife's father was killed by cancer.

534

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And so to us, the most

535

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important thing is to follow God

536

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and trust Him for protection in what we do.

537

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So the big question then, why are you doing this?

538

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Like at the core, yeah,

539

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okay, you've explained the risk.

540

00:18:12,424 --> 00:18:13,801

You've explained the danger and the training.

541

00:18:14,259 --> 00:18:15,886

Like, why do you care?

542

00:18:16,637 --> 00:18:18,347

Why would you go to the

543

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effort, the inconvenience,

544

00:18:20,140 --> 00:18:22,100

the cost to all of this?

545

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Why?

546

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Yeah, I think sometimes

547

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that's actually hard to connect

548

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with when you're not here on the ground

549

00:18:28,565 --> 00:18:30,234

seeing the need that's there.

550

00:18:30,859 --> 00:18:33,445

And I think when we connected with this the most

551

00:18:33,445 --> 00:18:35,030

was when we came and did an

552

00:18:35,030 --> 00:18:36,281

exploratory trip to this area.

553

00:18:37,115 --> 00:18:38,700

And we saw, we came for

554

00:18:38,700 --> 00:18:40,118

this reason to check this out,

555

00:18:40,452 --> 00:18:43,247

but we saw all of the aid that was pouring

556

00:18:43,247 --> 00:18:44,665

into the country and the

557

00:18:44,665 --> 00:18:45,874

rebuild that was happening.

558

00:18:46,583 --> 00:18:48,627

And yet farmers are going out in the fields

559

00:18:48,919 --> 00:18:50,629

and risking their lives on a daily basis.

560

00:18:51,255 --> 00:18:53,966

And the burden that they're, you talk to them,

561

00:18:54,216 --> 00:18:55,759

and the burden that they're carrying

562

00:18:56,301 --> 00:18:58,595

in having to clear their own fields.

563

00:18:58,887 --> 00:19:00,597

Now they can wait, there

564

00:19:00,597 --> 00:19:01,807

are demining companies here,

565

00:19:02,140 --> 00:19:04,560

they can wait in order for that to be cleared,

566

00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,562

but there's no end in sight

567

00:19:06,562 --> 00:19:07,688

on when that's going to be.

568

00:19:07,771 --> 00:19:08,105

Oh, wow.

569

00:19:08,605 --> 00:19:10,816

It takes incredible amount of time to do it.

570

00:19:11,275 --> 00:19:11,859

The demining companies,

571

00:19:12,067 --> 00:19:13,277

it takes them a long time.

572

00:19:13,277 --> 00:19:14,319

They have a very thorough process

573

00:19:14,736 --> 00:19:15,821

and it takes them a long time.

574

00:19:16,530 --> 00:19:18,866

And so farmers can't wait

575

00:19:18,866 --> 00:19:20,409

years and years and years

576

00:19:20,409 --> 00:19:21,785

and years for their fields to be cleared.

577

00:19:22,077 --> 00:19:24,037

And so they're taking that burden on themselves

578

00:19:24,246 --> 00:19:26,123

and clearing their fields and you come here

579

00:19:26,373 --> 00:19:27,916

and you meet with them and you talk with them.

580

00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:31,211

And we just, we got a real burden for the people

581

00:19:31,587 --> 00:19:32,671

that are facing this and we

582

00:19:32,671 --> 00:19:33,630

want to share in that burden.

583

00:19:34,047 --> 00:19:36,258

And we have the resources,

584

00:19:36,300 --> 00:19:39,511

we have the opportunity to

585

00:19:39,511 --> 00:19:40,429

come and help in this way.

586

00:19:40,637 --> 00:19:42,639

And that's, it's sharing in that burden

587

00:19:42,723 --> 00:19:43,849

is why we're here.

588

00:19:45,100 --> 00:19:46,935

So let's get into some details

589

00:19:47,227 --> 00:19:48,186

because I think people will

590

00:19:48,186 --> 00:19:49,229

find this really fascinating.

591

00:19:49,229 --> 00:19:49,980

I find this fascinating.

592

00:19:50,606 --> 00:19:53,400

The process of you show up to a field like this.

593

00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,321

How in the world do you get it cleared and safe

594

00:19:57,321 --> 00:19:58,196

and all of that.

595

00:19:58,572 --> 00:20:00,782

And I want to note too, okay, so here's a field

596

00:20:00,782 --> 00:20:03,035

that potentially could be full of mines,

597

00:20:03,285 --> 00:20:05,203

but there's a field right next to it.

598

00:20:05,871 --> 00:20:08,081

That's all disc'd up and being used.

599

00:20:09,166 --> 00:20:09,958

How come that field is

600

00:20:09,958 --> 00:20:10,876

being used and not this one?

601

00:20:11,168 --> 00:20:12,336

Yeah, so this here is a

602

00:20:12,336 --> 00:20:14,046

field that we would have disced

603

00:20:14,046 --> 00:20:14,588

with our tractor.

604

00:20:15,047 --> 00:20:16,465

And so when we came to this field,

605

00:20:16,465 --> 00:20:18,175

it would have looked just like this one.

606

00:20:19,301 --> 00:20:21,136

What is nice about the time of year

607

00:20:21,136 --> 00:20:22,304

in which we're working right now

608

00:20:22,596 --> 00:20:24,681

is that they've been

609

00:20:24,681 --> 00:20:25,849

having some very dry summers,

610

00:20:26,099 --> 00:20:27,768

which is unfortunate for the farmers

611

00:20:28,185 --> 00:20:29,186

and they're growing their crops.

612

00:20:29,603 --> 00:20:33,023

But the grass during the summer dies off.

613

00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:35,108

And so you're left with a field like this

614

00:20:35,692 --> 00:20:36,735

that it's dry grass.

615

00:20:37,152 --> 00:20:38,946

And so one of the first things that we do

616

00:20:39,613 --> 00:20:40,864

is we'll burn off the field.

617

00:20:41,114 --> 00:20:42,240

So we can have a visual

618

00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,034

of what we're working with.

619

00:20:44,034 --> 00:20:45,160

This is very difficult.

620

00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,370

You can't see anything in this grass.

621

00:20:46,370 --> 00:20:47,537

You don't have a clue what's in here.

622

00:20:48,497 --> 00:20:49,831

So one of the first processes we'll do

623

00:20:49,873 --> 00:20:51,416

is burning off a field.

624

00:20:52,042 --> 00:20:54,628

And then a lot of it has

625

00:20:54,628 --> 00:20:55,587

to do with being familiar

626

00:20:55,587 --> 00:20:57,339

with the area and talking with the farmers,

627

00:20:57,798 --> 00:21:00,592

but we can identify problematic places

628

00:21:01,176 --> 00:21:03,595

where it's high potential for land mines.

629

00:21:04,137 --> 00:21:06,515

And land mines are some of the,

630

00:21:06,515 --> 00:21:07,307

it's kind of the main

631

00:21:07,307 --> 00:21:08,725

things we're really worried about

632

00:21:08,809 --> 00:21:11,228

because they are armed and they're ready.

633

00:21:11,228 --> 00:21:12,729

They're waiting for someone or

634

00:21:12,729 --> 00:21:14,439

something to come step on it,

635

00:21:14,439 --> 00:21:15,774

put pressure on it, and it blows up.

636

00:21:16,358 --> 00:21:18,110

And so that's what we're concerned about

637

00:21:18,110 --> 00:21:19,111

for our own safety.

638

00:21:19,403 --> 00:21:20,112

We're concerned about

639

00:21:20,112 --> 00:21:22,030

that for the tractor as well.

640

00:21:23,156 --> 00:21:25,200

And so if there's an area

641

00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,411

that it's high probability of land mines,

642

00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:30,706

that is where we will take a metal detector

643

00:21:31,248 --> 00:21:34,668

and we'll use metal detectors to scan those areas

644

00:21:35,836 --> 00:21:37,587

to try to find anything that would,

645

00:21:37,587 --> 00:21:38,338

a land mine that would be

646

00:21:38,338 --> 00:21:39,256

buried under the surface.

647

00:21:39,506 --> 00:21:40,298

Can you show it?

648

00:21:40,298 --> 00:21:40,924

Yeah, the kind of gear

649

00:21:40,924 --> 00:21:41,800

and stuff you use for that.

650

00:21:42,259 --> 00:21:42,467

Yeah.

651

00:21:43,301 --> 00:21:44,094

And so for people

652

00:21:44,094 --> 00:21:46,096

listening on podcasts or whatever,

653

00:21:46,096 --> 00:21:47,097

I don't know, you can go to our YouTube

654

00:21:47,347 --> 00:21:48,598

or get the video somehow.

655

00:21:48,765 --> 00:21:50,851

But so this is a specialized

656

00:21:50,851 --> 00:21:52,060

metal detector of some kind,

657

00:21:52,269 --> 00:21:53,395

apparently, because I've never seen one

658

00:21:53,395 --> 00:21:54,438

quite like this before.

659

00:21:56,356 --> 00:21:57,065

Yeah, tell me about this.

660

00:21:57,232 --> 00:21:58,859

Yeah, so this is a metal detector.

661

00:21:59,109 --> 00:22:00,819

It's supposed to be a very good one.

662

00:22:00,819 --> 00:22:03,405

We try to run good equipment when doing this.

663

00:22:03,405 --> 00:22:05,782

We want to find what is below the surface

664

00:22:05,782 --> 00:22:07,117

if there's something below the surface.

665

00:22:07,701 --> 00:22:09,786

So we will just use this and

666

00:22:09,786 --> 00:22:12,456

do sweeps with the wand here.

667

00:22:13,290 --> 00:22:14,124

And obviously if there's

668

00:22:14,124 --> 00:22:15,208

anything metal in the dirt,

669

00:22:15,208 --> 00:22:16,543

it beeps and lets us know.

670

00:22:17,336 --> 00:22:19,212

That can actually be very problematic

671

00:22:19,212 --> 00:22:20,172

in some of these fields,

672

00:22:20,547 --> 00:22:21,965

because we can have very,

673

00:22:21,965 --> 00:22:23,759

very, very high contamination

674

00:22:24,009 --> 00:22:27,554

of metal because you have multiple explosions

675

00:22:27,637 --> 00:22:28,305

happening in the field.

676

00:22:28,722 --> 00:22:30,599

I mean, you may have vehicles that have blown up.

677

00:22:30,974 --> 00:22:33,060

If it's along, where there was a trench line,

678

00:22:33,060 --> 00:22:34,269

there can be shell casings

679

00:22:34,269 --> 00:22:35,353

just covering the ground.

680

00:22:35,687 --> 00:22:37,355

And so this does not always work.

681

00:22:37,564 --> 00:22:39,524

It will find metal, but the problem is

682

00:22:39,524 --> 00:22:40,484

there's more metal in a

683

00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:42,110

field than just landmines.

684

00:22:42,569 --> 00:22:44,362

And so we're limited with

685

00:22:44,362 --> 00:22:45,363

what we can do with this.

686

00:22:45,822 --> 00:22:48,408

But these have worked for

687

00:22:48,408 --> 00:22:49,743

us in certain situations.

688

00:22:50,494 --> 00:22:52,454

And so yeah, if it's an area

689

00:22:52,454 --> 00:22:53,789

that we can use a metal detector,

690

00:22:54,206 --> 00:22:55,832

we will sweep the ground with it.

691

00:22:55,916 --> 00:22:58,460

If we get a beep, then we

692

00:22:58,460 --> 00:23:00,045

can use our poking stick

693

00:23:00,921 --> 00:23:03,965

and we can come in and poke

694

00:23:03,965 --> 00:23:05,300

in the ground from the side.

695

00:23:05,342 --> 00:23:07,010

From the side, so you don't trigger it.

696

00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:08,595

Yeah, so if you hit the mine,

697

00:23:08,595 --> 00:23:09,805

you're hitting the side body

698

00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:10,847

of the mine, which is fine.

699

00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:12,599

It's the top because it's

700

00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:14,351

pressure activated from the top.

701

00:23:14,768 --> 00:23:16,394

And so we can poke around.

702

00:23:16,394 --> 00:23:17,354

And if we don't feel anything,

703

00:23:17,646 --> 00:23:18,814

it can be a piece of shrapnel.

704

00:23:19,189 --> 00:23:20,941

It could be a shell casing, a bullet.

705

00:23:21,399 --> 00:23:22,651

It could be a bolt from the farmer

706

00:23:22,651 --> 00:23:24,569

from the past previous years of farming.

707

00:23:24,820 --> 00:23:25,445

It could be anything.

708

00:23:25,862 --> 00:23:27,864

And so we just use these prodding sticks

709

00:23:28,949 --> 00:23:31,409

to poke our way through as we find signals.

710

00:23:32,285 --> 00:23:34,079

If we do, if we hit something,

711

00:23:34,287 --> 00:23:35,330

then I always carry a

712

00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:36,706

little dig knife in my pocket

713

00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,458

and I will scrape away at the

714

00:23:38,458 --> 00:23:40,210

dirt and expose what's there.

715

00:23:40,669 --> 00:23:42,420

So the goal would be, let's say it's a land mine.

716

00:23:42,420 --> 00:23:43,421

You expose it.

717

00:23:43,672 --> 00:23:44,840

So you're like, okay, here it is.

718

00:23:45,257 --> 00:23:46,466

And then you're calling

719

00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:48,176

whoever the disposal authorities are,

720

00:23:48,176 --> 00:23:49,928

and they're either blowing it up right there

721

00:23:49,928 --> 00:23:51,513

or taking it somewhere to get disposed of.

722

00:23:51,555 --> 00:23:52,514

Exactly. That kind of thing.

723

00:23:52,514 --> 00:23:52,722

Exactly.

724

00:23:53,390 --> 00:23:54,808

So we're locating them and

725

00:23:54,808 --> 00:23:55,976

then contacting the authorities

726

00:23:55,976 --> 00:23:57,435

and they come out and take care of it.

727

00:23:57,435 --> 00:23:58,520

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

728

00:23:59,146 --> 00:24:01,273

But there's also a lot more than just land mines

729

00:24:01,523 --> 00:24:03,233

that you're finding out there.

730

00:24:03,233 --> 00:24:04,901

And like when we were walking one of the fields

731

00:24:05,235 --> 00:24:06,570

that you guys had already walked in and stuff,

732

00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:07,946

but we're finding all kinds

733

00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:10,031

of just pieces of a rocket

734

00:24:10,282 --> 00:24:11,700

and this and I mean, all kinds of,

735

00:24:11,700 --> 00:24:13,410

I've never seen before, I've never thought about,

736

00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:15,537

oh yeah, this is gonna be in someone's field.

737

00:24:16,454 --> 00:24:18,623

And having someone like you that can say,

738

00:24:18,623 --> 00:24:19,791

oh yeah, this thing is safe.

739

00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,252

Like I know this is just a piece of scrap metal

740

00:24:22,669 --> 00:24:23,712

versus hey, here's some

741

00:24:23,712 --> 00:24:24,713

things, don't touch those.

742

00:24:24,963 --> 00:24:25,839

Those are really dangerous.

743

00:24:26,173 --> 00:24:28,008

And so again, I think that is a key piece.

744

00:24:28,383 --> 00:24:30,760

You're not just walking into this randomly.

745

00:24:31,052 --> 00:24:32,846

Like you know what you're looking for.

746

00:24:32,846 --> 00:24:33,805

Yeah, yeah. You know?

747

00:24:34,139 --> 00:24:35,098

Exactly right. If that makes sense.

748

00:24:35,098 --> 00:24:38,185

Yeah, yeah, so we'll first use detectors

749

00:24:38,643 --> 00:24:39,895

to make sure that the mine threat,

750

00:24:39,895 --> 00:24:41,396

we feel like the mine threat is gone.

751

00:24:41,771 --> 00:24:43,690

But then we do, we walk

752

00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:45,567

fields in a very systematic way,

753

00:24:45,567 --> 00:24:49,571

doing visual sweeps and removing, yeah,

754

00:24:49,571 --> 00:24:50,280

whether it be scrap metal

755

00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:54,242

and scrap metal coming from blowing up rockets

756

00:24:54,242 --> 00:24:55,535

or vehicle pieces.

757

00:24:55,535 --> 00:24:57,412

And I have some of those I can show you as well.

758

00:24:57,454 --> 00:24:58,872

Yeah, so I think maybe some visuals

759

00:24:59,039 --> 00:25:01,416

to help us conceptualize like,

760

00:25:02,167 --> 00:25:05,503

we're not used to experiencing war in America

761

00:25:05,795 --> 00:25:06,588

and these kinds of things

762

00:25:06,588 --> 00:25:08,048

and the types of weapons

763

00:25:08,048 --> 00:25:10,133

that are used and just how

764

00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:12,052

evil, I guess you could say,

765

00:25:12,052 --> 00:25:14,804

or like how brutally evil these things can be

766

00:25:14,971 --> 00:25:17,349

to the people who are experiencing them,

767

00:25:17,474 --> 00:25:18,850

especially the farmers and so forth.

768

00:25:19,184 --> 00:25:20,060

Show us some things that

769

00:25:20,060 --> 00:25:21,353

you pull out of these fields.

770

00:25:21,686 --> 00:25:23,230

And just to be fully clear,

771

00:25:23,230 --> 00:25:24,064

these are all obviously

772

00:25:24,064 --> 00:25:25,941

just safe scrap metal chunks.

773

00:25:25,941 --> 00:25:28,026

The real dangerous stuff is already disposed of

774

00:25:28,026 --> 00:25:30,278

and whatever, but yeah, show me some stuff here.

775

00:25:30,278 --> 00:25:31,446

Yeah, so a big part of

776

00:25:31,446 --> 00:25:32,864

what we do is clean up fields.

777

00:25:33,281 --> 00:25:35,075

And so we have pieces like this,

778

00:25:35,075 --> 00:25:36,910

like this is just shrapnel

779

00:25:37,327 --> 00:25:38,578

from what would have been a rocket body.

780

00:25:39,162 --> 00:25:40,038

So you just, yeah.

781

00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:42,249

Now this is, you know, I mean

782

00:25:42,249 --> 00:25:43,708

obviously this piece is intact,

783

00:25:43,708 --> 00:25:45,585

but you could have just pieces of metal,

784

00:25:46,586 --> 00:25:48,630

just very, very sharp pieces

785

00:25:48,630 --> 00:25:50,674

that can be very, very fatal

786

00:25:50,674 --> 00:25:51,424

in hitting people.

787

00:25:51,633 --> 00:25:52,592

But yeah, a lot of the field

788

00:25:52,592 --> 00:25:54,511

is just full of metal like this.

789

00:25:54,803 --> 00:25:56,471

Like you literally just went over right over here

790

00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:57,555

Yeah, I just walked over here.

791

00:25:57,597 --> 00:25:58,431

It was like just right there.

792

00:25:58,848 --> 00:25:59,391

Just out of the field.

793

00:25:59,432 --> 00:26:00,016

He's like, yeah, let's see

794

00:26:00,016 --> 00:26:00,850

if we can find a rocket piece

795

00:26:00,850 --> 00:26:01,434

for this interview.

796

00:26:01,434 --> 00:26:02,352

It's like, boom, there it was.

797

00:26:02,435 --> 00:26:02,978

And it's like, I mean

798

00:26:02,978 --> 00:26:04,062

like this, like what's this?

799

00:26:04,312 --> 00:26:05,563

I mean, it could be a piece out of a vehicle

800

00:26:05,563 --> 00:26:06,523

that got blown up or,

801

00:26:07,023 --> 00:26:09,150

and the fields can be just full of this,

802

00:26:10,485 --> 00:26:13,947

this complete trash just from the conflict.

803

00:26:14,489 --> 00:26:16,950

So that's some of what we find.

804

00:26:17,534 --> 00:26:20,245

Obviously then we find a lot of remnants

805

00:26:20,495 --> 00:26:22,789

that would have been part of munitions.

806

00:26:23,540 --> 00:26:25,292

So this would be a rocket tail.

807

00:26:25,667 --> 00:26:27,043

The warhead would have been on this.

808

00:26:27,419 --> 00:26:29,087

So we find many, many, many of these

809

00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:30,588

where the warhead blew up,

810

00:26:30,588 --> 00:26:31,923

but the rocket tail is left.

811

00:26:32,424 --> 00:26:33,550

So we're constantly

812

00:26:33,550 --> 00:26:35,427

pulling stuff out of the field.

813

00:26:35,677 --> 00:26:37,220

You wanna actually just leave it setting up

814

00:26:37,554 --> 00:26:38,888

so that people can, yeah.

815

00:26:40,557 --> 00:26:42,100

And with this, but then the

816

00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:43,226

other day when you're showing this,

817

00:26:43,518 --> 00:26:45,061

you showed me some that were still intact

818

00:26:45,312 --> 00:26:47,397

that still had the explosive element on it.

819

00:26:47,397 --> 00:26:48,648

So it's like, oh, this is scrap metal.

820

00:26:48,898 --> 00:26:50,734

This is not, don't touch that.

821

00:26:51,067 --> 00:26:51,401

Exactly, yeah.

822

00:26:51,651 --> 00:26:54,154

Some of them for whatever reason do not go off.

823

00:26:54,446 --> 00:26:56,239

And they're still considered dangerous

824

00:26:56,239 --> 00:26:57,907

because they've been fired, they're armed,

825

00:26:58,283 --> 00:27:01,369

and has to do with the fusing mechanisms.

826

00:27:01,578 --> 00:27:03,163

It's usually mechanical

827

00:27:03,163 --> 00:27:04,873

means in which the fuse works

828

00:27:04,873 --> 00:27:06,583

and it has often shear pins

829

00:27:07,042 --> 00:27:10,086

and it can be just on the verge of going off

830

00:27:10,086 --> 00:27:12,547

and it takes one more nudge and boom.

831

00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:13,798

And so that's where we

832

00:27:13,798 --> 00:27:14,674

have to be very, very careful

833

00:27:14,841 --> 00:27:16,009

with something that is

834

00:27:16,009 --> 00:27:18,219

still fully intact and armed.

835

00:27:19,471 --> 00:27:22,307

Even something like this, this is a canister

836

00:27:22,724 --> 00:27:25,185

that a land mine would have been inside.

837

00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:25,977

This would have been

838

00:27:25,977 --> 00:27:27,187

completely buried in the ground.

839

00:27:27,687 --> 00:27:29,522

And this is what they consider a bounding mine.

840

00:27:29,939 --> 00:27:31,483

And this is kind of sobering to find this

841

00:27:31,483 --> 00:27:33,026

because this means this exploded.

842

00:27:34,652 --> 00:27:35,653

This would have had a trip wire

843

00:27:36,071 --> 00:27:38,490

that someone would have tripped on the wire

844

00:27:38,990 --> 00:27:40,200

and it would have detonated.

845

00:27:40,700 --> 00:27:42,577

The mine would have jumped out of this canister,

846

00:27:42,827 --> 00:27:44,621

hit the end of this cable and would have blown

847

00:27:45,205 --> 00:27:48,166

and gone in 360 degrees in the air,

848

00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:50,543

three foot in the air and blown.

849

00:27:50,877 --> 00:27:53,880

And so when we disc the field, we disc this up,

850

00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:55,090

which means there was a mine

851

00:27:55,090 --> 00:27:56,674

that had been detonated at some point.

852

00:27:57,342 --> 00:27:58,510

Who knows if lives were lost

853

00:27:58,968 --> 00:28:00,053

when that would have gone off.

854

00:28:02,430 --> 00:28:04,140

Some of the fragments, well, yeah.

855

00:28:04,391 --> 00:28:06,768

Like this here, we find pieces like this.

856

00:28:06,768 --> 00:28:08,144

I mean, just shards of metal

857

00:28:08,436 --> 00:28:10,647

from blown up pieces of rockets.

858

00:28:10,939 --> 00:28:12,315

And yeah, it's just, the

859

00:28:12,315 --> 00:28:13,650

fields can be just littered

860

00:28:13,858 --> 00:28:17,529

with this kind of debris that we're bringing out

861

00:28:17,695 --> 00:28:20,115

and getting the fields cleaned up so we can disc.

862

00:28:20,365 --> 00:28:20,657

Yeah.

863

00:28:21,825 --> 00:28:23,410

You wanna show some of the pieces

864

00:28:23,618 --> 00:28:26,329

that from the mine that you did hit.

865

00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:27,497

I think you were showing me that yesterday

866

00:28:28,748 --> 00:28:30,417

when you're driving your automated tractor

867

00:28:30,417 --> 00:28:31,918

through these fields, you know,

868

00:28:32,419 --> 00:28:34,295

and you've made sure it's, you know,

869

00:28:34,295 --> 00:28:35,922

there's nothing exposed,

870

00:28:35,922 --> 00:28:36,840

at least that's dangerous,

871

00:28:37,090 --> 00:28:38,007

but there's subsurface.

872

00:28:38,299 --> 00:28:39,467

Something to tell me about that.

873

00:28:39,467 --> 00:28:41,219

Yeah, so this here is bits and pieces

874

00:28:41,761 --> 00:28:44,013

that would have been an anti-personnel mine.

875

00:28:44,013 --> 00:28:46,766

It's a plastic mine, been about that big around.

876

00:28:47,684 --> 00:28:50,979

And yeah, there again, our tractor,

877

00:28:51,229 --> 00:28:52,689

the front tire ran over it,

878

00:28:52,939 --> 00:28:54,941

and thankfully it just blew up the front tire.

879

00:28:55,859 --> 00:28:57,735

There was also three hand

880

00:28:57,735 --> 00:28:59,070

grenades in the hole with it.

881

00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,573

And I'm sure the idea behind it was that

882

00:29:01,906 --> 00:29:04,200

when the mine would have blown,

883

00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:04,909

that it would have also

884

00:29:04,909 --> 00:29:06,161

exploded the three hand grenades,

885

00:29:06,369 --> 00:29:08,121

which would have caused a much bigger explosion.

886

00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:09,998

Thankfully they didn't go off.

887

00:29:10,498 --> 00:29:12,500

And so the damage to our

888

00:29:12,500 --> 00:29:13,418

tractor was very minimal.

889

00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:15,420

We just changed the tire and where we keep going.

890

00:29:16,087 --> 00:29:17,839

But yeah, that there, if

891

00:29:17,839 --> 00:29:18,965

someone would have stepped on it,

892

00:29:19,132 --> 00:29:19,757

that could have been a

893

00:29:19,757 --> 00:29:20,508

very much a different story.

894

00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,009

Yeah.

895

00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:22,927

And that's the whole thought process

896

00:29:23,094 --> 00:29:25,013

behind using a piece of equipment

897

00:29:25,013 --> 00:29:27,098

with nobody in the driving it, you know,

898

00:29:27,348 --> 00:29:28,433

to say, if there's

899

00:29:28,433 --> 00:29:29,976

something here, you wanna find it.

900

00:29:30,518 --> 00:29:31,394

Is that a right way of saying it?

901

00:29:31,561 --> 00:29:32,020

That's correct.

902

00:29:32,312 --> 00:29:33,980

Obviously we do not wanna blow up our equipment,

903

00:29:34,439 --> 00:29:36,983

but our goal is to have,

904

00:29:36,983 --> 00:29:38,860

there'd be nothing explosive left in the fields

905

00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:39,319

when we're done.

906

00:29:39,736 --> 00:29:42,530

And so we do everything that we can to remove it

907

00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:43,364

from the field so that

908

00:29:43,364 --> 00:29:44,532

our tractor doesn't hit it,

909

00:29:44,532 --> 00:29:45,742

but our tractor is also

910

00:29:45,742 --> 00:29:47,869

run, so with no one in the cab,

911

00:29:48,244 --> 00:29:49,913

so that if there is something there,

912

00:29:50,288 --> 00:29:51,998

that the tractor finds it.

913

00:29:52,248 --> 00:29:55,418

And it's maybe at the expense of equipment,

914

00:29:55,543 --> 00:29:57,420

but not at the expense of someone's life.

915

00:29:57,879 --> 00:29:58,087

Yeah.

916

00:29:58,838 --> 00:30:00,965

It's kind of crazy to think, you know,

917

00:30:01,007 --> 00:30:04,260

if y'all hadn't done that, right?

918

00:30:05,011 --> 00:30:06,054

And 20 years from now,

919

00:30:06,095 --> 00:30:07,180

someone's walking through that field

920

00:30:07,180 --> 00:30:08,264

and steps on that thing.

921

00:30:10,058 --> 00:30:11,142

That could be the end of their life.

922

00:30:12,602 --> 00:30:12,810

Yeah.

923

00:30:13,645 --> 00:30:16,314

Technically, something of this size would,

924

00:30:16,898 --> 00:30:17,982

well, no, it could be the end of their life

925

00:30:17,982 --> 00:30:18,483

because they blow their

926

00:30:18,483 --> 00:30:19,317

leg off and they bleed out.

927

00:30:19,776 --> 00:30:19,943

Yeah.

928

00:30:20,235 --> 00:30:22,612

Or at least radically alter their life.

929

00:30:22,612 --> 00:30:22,987

Yeah, I mean, certainly.

930

00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:23,905

You know, lose a limb.

931

00:30:24,364 --> 00:30:24,531

Certainly.

932

00:30:24,531 --> 00:30:24,739

Yeah.

933

00:30:24,822 --> 00:30:25,532

I mean, that's, man.

934

00:30:25,823 --> 00:30:28,201

Do you have a piece of those butterfly mines

935

00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:29,410

that you're showing us?

936

00:30:30,161 --> 00:30:30,787

So yeah.

937

00:30:30,787 --> 00:30:32,580

So I have the tails from them.

938

00:30:32,580 --> 00:30:34,582

So obviously this is not the whole thing.

939

00:30:34,582 --> 00:30:36,167

You would have the explosive

940

00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:37,418

piece right here on the end,

941

00:30:37,418 --> 00:30:38,378

but it's plastic.

942

00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:39,504

It's just very small.

943

00:30:39,504 --> 00:30:41,506

The whole thing will lay right here in your hand.

944

00:30:42,048 --> 00:30:43,883

And it's, yeah, it's just about that big around.

945

00:30:44,467 --> 00:30:45,843

And I believe these would

946

00:30:45,843 --> 00:30:47,679

have detonated from a fire

947

00:30:47,887 --> 00:30:51,599

when the field was burned off, possibly, or yeah.

948

00:30:52,058 --> 00:30:53,142

Cause I know the field was burned off

949

00:30:53,142 --> 00:30:53,977

from where we found these.

950

00:30:54,978 --> 00:30:56,312

But yeah, very, very small,

951

00:30:56,729 --> 00:30:59,023

but yet still packs enough of a punch

952

00:30:59,482 --> 00:31:01,109

to blow someone's foot off

953

00:31:01,317 --> 00:31:03,152

and really alter someone's life.

954

00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:03,987

Yeah.

955

00:31:04,654 --> 00:31:07,240

Yeah, it's just, all of this just feels so wrong.

956

00:31:07,782 --> 00:31:10,118

You know, that these things exist in the world.

957

00:31:10,910 --> 00:31:12,829

That humans have turned their,

958

00:31:13,788 --> 00:31:15,498

humans have a great ability to build things

959

00:31:15,498 --> 00:31:17,333

and come up with ideas and be creative.

960

00:31:17,333 --> 00:31:18,751

And they've turned that, some people,

961

00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:21,296

towards building the most effective instruments

962

00:31:21,504 --> 00:31:23,172

to kill people that they can.

963

00:31:23,172 --> 00:31:23,464

Exactly.

964

00:31:24,465 --> 00:31:26,009

But I think the part that's even worse

965

00:31:26,009 --> 00:31:27,510

is once they're put in the ground,

966

00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:31,014

or say a rocket is fired and it doesn't explode,

967

00:31:31,472 --> 00:31:32,557

it can sit there forever

968

00:31:32,724 --> 00:31:35,560

and still be a serious danger to people

969

00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,937

that have maybe a generation later,

970

00:31:37,937 --> 00:31:39,480

have nothing to do with that conflict.

971

00:31:39,731 --> 00:31:42,317

They don't, there's no connection at all.

972

00:31:42,317 --> 00:31:43,568

There's regular people going on with their lives

973

00:31:43,568 --> 00:31:46,195

and they're still paying the price for that war.

974

00:31:46,362 --> 00:31:46,613

Exactly.

975

00:31:48,031 --> 00:31:51,576

War is awful and terrible, you know, like, yes,

976

00:31:51,576 --> 00:31:52,535

but that just feels like a

977

00:31:52,535 --> 00:31:53,620

whole nother level of awful.

978

00:31:54,078 --> 00:31:54,120

It is.

979

00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,539

Where it's like 20 years later,

980

00:31:56,539 --> 00:31:57,790

and it's like, I had nothing to do with this

981

00:31:57,915 --> 00:31:59,500

and this mine comes blasting out of your field

982

00:31:59,500 --> 00:32:00,126

and kills you.

983

00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:02,253

Exactly, and that's what, it's just so sad.

984

00:32:02,545 --> 00:32:05,506

And that in itself as well motivates us

985

00:32:05,506 --> 00:32:08,051

to be out here and helping the people with this

986

00:32:08,051 --> 00:32:09,636

because they're not going anywhere

987

00:32:09,636 --> 00:32:10,637

until someone comes out

988

00:32:10,637 --> 00:32:11,846

here and takes care of it.

989

00:32:12,138 --> 00:32:13,848

And if we can be a part of that,

990

00:32:13,848 --> 00:32:14,807

then that's what we wanna do.

991

00:32:15,558 --> 00:32:18,353

I'm curious, you don't have any actual landmines

992

00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:20,688

that have been, you know, the powder taken out

993

00:32:20,688 --> 00:32:21,648

or anything like that, right?

994

00:32:21,939 --> 00:32:22,607

Do you have any of that?

995

00:32:22,649 --> 00:32:26,110

So I have one, this is a unique one here.

996

00:32:27,153 --> 00:32:28,655

So this one is

997

00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:30,239

considered, it's called a palm two.

998

00:32:30,865 --> 00:32:34,285

There's different ways in which these can be laid

999

00:32:34,285 --> 00:32:38,414

in a field, they come as a hand landmine.

00:32:38,873 --> 00:32:40,124

They come in a case and they

00:32:40,124 --> 00:32:41,125

can throw them into the field.

00:32:42,377 --> 00:32:44,962

And in this case, this one was attached actually

00:32:44,962 --> 00:32:45,838

to this rocket.

00:32:46,589 --> 00:32:48,257

And so the idea was that

00:32:48,257 --> 00:32:49,550

they would launch this rocket

00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:51,969

over a field, at some point it would break apart.

00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:53,930

When we found it, it was still intact

00:32:54,305 --> 00:32:55,640

and laying on the ground.

00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,934

So it hadn't functioned as it was supposed to.

00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:01,354

But the rocket would fire it into the field

00:33:01,771 --> 00:33:04,023

and it would land and it would have a canister

00:33:04,023 --> 00:33:06,442

that would come off and these spring-loaded fins

00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:08,861

would make it stand up and stand in this way.

00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:10,530

And then it would, then a

00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:11,531

cap would come off the top

00:33:11,531 --> 00:33:12,573

and it would send out tripwires.

00:33:13,324 --> 00:33:14,534

And so this thing could be--

00:33:14,909 --> 00:33:15,451

That's sophisticated.

00:33:15,702 --> 00:33:18,454

Yes, this thing could be set in a field with,

00:33:19,247 --> 00:33:20,081

you can just lob this into

00:33:20,081 --> 00:33:21,249

a field and set landmines.

00:33:21,249 --> 00:33:22,667

So you could have rockets just lobbing these

00:33:22,959 --> 00:33:25,253

into the middle of a field and setting these.

00:33:25,586 --> 00:33:26,587

And then it sits there and

00:33:26,587 --> 00:33:27,797

waits till someone comes by

00:33:28,131 --> 00:33:29,132

and hits the tripwire and

00:33:29,132 --> 00:33:30,216

then this would explode.

00:33:31,175 --> 00:33:33,678

Whoa, so how come this one

00:33:33,678 --> 00:33:34,387

doesn't have the explosives?

00:33:34,679 --> 00:33:37,515

Like how is this safe and all of that?

00:33:37,515 --> 00:33:39,058

Yeah, so this is where we work with the farmers

00:33:39,517 --> 00:33:40,977

and they are very brave.

00:33:40,977 --> 00:33:44,272

It's every day I'm amazed at their bravery.

00:33:44,689 --> 00:33:47,316

But so we found this one and it was still intact

00:33:47,316 --> 00:33:48,151

and it was attached to the

00:33:48,151 --> 00:33:49,235

rocket laying on the ground.

00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:51,571

And the farmer was with us that day.

00:33:51,779 --> 00:33:53,156

He was helping us walk the field.

00:33:53,656 --> 00:33:55,450

And it was over the weekend.

00:33:55,825 --> 00:33:58,327

And so we saw it, we marked it,

00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:00,413

and he said he'll call the emergency services

00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:01,414

and they'll come out.

00:34:02,206 --> 00:34:03,040

Anyway, over the weekend,

00:34:03,791 --> 00:34:06,043

we come back the next Monday to keep working.

00:34:06,419 --> 00:34:08,212

And here we find this and it's all,

00:34:10,423 --> 00:34:11,466

the explosives are now

00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:12,800

out of it and it was burnt.

00:34:13,259 --> 00:34:15,720

Here come to find out he called the authorities

00:34:16,262 --> 00:34:17,930

and they said it would be a couple of weeks

00:34:17,930 --> 00:34:18,639

so they could come out.

00:34:19,015 --> 00:34:20,016

So he goes out there and

00:34:20,016 --> 00:34:21,809

just very gently lays a tire

00:34:22,018 --> 00:34:24,103

over it and lights a tire,

00:34:24,353 --> 00:34:26,439

runs down over the canal embankment

00:34:26,731 --> 00:34:27,482

and sits down there waiting.

00:34:27,899 --> 00:34:29,025

And he hears this boof.

00:34:29,358 --> 00:34:29,692

No way.

00:34:29,734 --> 00:34:30,485

And he comes back and it

00:34:30,485 --> 00:34:31,611

just basically would have done

00:34:32,195 --> 00:34:33,237

what they call a low order.

00:34:33,529 --> 00:34:34,489

So it didn't explode.

00:34:34,530 --> 00:34:35,156

They didn't explode.

00:34:35,156 --> 00:34:35,364

Obviously.

00:34:35,573 --> 00:34:37,909

It blew the top out, the explosives burned.

00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:40,244

And so here we have a perfectly safe casing

00:34:40,244 --> 00:34:41,287

of what would have been a landmine.

00:34:41,662 --> 00:34:42,747

That was a very brave farmer.

00:34:43,331 --> 00:34:43,831

Oh wow.

00:34:44,290 --> 00:34:45,333

I certainly would not lay

00:34:45,333 --> 00:34:47,001

a tire around a landmine.

00:34:47,502 --> 00:34:47,835

Wow.

00:34:48,503 --> 00:34:50,004

That would be one line that we wouldn't cross.

00:34:50,546 --> 00:34:53,341

But I wouldn't want to do that.

00:34:53,341 --> 00:34:54,509

But I can understand and be like,

00:34:54,759 --> 00:34:56,552

I got to feel that, I got a farm.

00:34:57,011 --> 00:34:59,305

And this is like in the

00:34:59,305 --> 00:35:01,307

way, so to speak, obviously.

00:35:01,933 --> 00:35:04,602

And it's another piece of showing,

00:35:05,269 --> 00:35:05,937

these people are trying

00:35:05,937 --> 00:35:06,896

to get back to their lives

00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,983

and how war is incredibly disruptive to life

00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:12,610

just across the board.

00:35:12,944 --> 00:35:14,403

But even after the war is done,

00:35:14,821 --> 00:35:16,614

the war is still disruptive to life.

00:35:16,614 --> 00:35:19,033

At least when it comes to these kinds of things.

00:35:19,283 --> 00:35:22,203

It doesn't end when, oh, the peace treaty signed

00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:23,704

or the people leave or the whatever,

00:35:24,247 --> 00:35:26,374

the war ends, there is still the remnants,

00:35:26,624 --> 00:35:29,710

the remnants of war are very much still there.

00:35:29,710 --> 00:35:30,837

And I think that's the piece

00:35:30,837 --> 00:35:32,213

that's been hard for me to even,

00:35:33,339 --> 00:35:34,924

it's still hard for me to fully understand,

00:35:34,924 --> 00:35:36,467

even being here with you for a couple of days

00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:37,635

and we're seeing all this stuff.

00:35:37,635 --> 00:35:38,886

It's just like, I can't

00:35:38,886 --> 00:35:39,762

imagine what life would be like

00:35:39,762 --> 00:35:41,430

if I had to live in that kind of situation.

00:35:41,639 --> 00:35:44,058

It's like, the war is done and yet it's not.

00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,270

Yeah, and we're just seeing day in and day out

00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:49,939

how desperate these farmers

00:35:49,939 --> 00:35:51,148

are to get back to farming

00:35:51,148 --> 00:35:52,525

and the measures that they're taking

00:35:53,109 --> 00:35:54,110

in order to get back to farming.

00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,445

And they're doing very risky things,

00:35:56,445 --> 00:35:59,156

but it just shows that they're risking it.

00:35:59,156 --> 00:36:00,449

I mean, they're gonna get back to farming.

00:36:00,449 --> 00:36:02,451

They're gonna get back to their livelihoods

00:36:02,451 --> 00:36:04,120

and they're not waiting

00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,998

on the demining companies,

00:36:06,998 --> 00:36:08,499

the slow process in order,

00:36:08,958 --> 00:36:09,834

waiting years and years,

00:36:10,209 --> 00:36:11,544

they're going out there and making it happen.

00:36:12,295 --> 00:36:17,425

And so that's motivating us to try to provide

00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:20,720

a safe way for them to do this.

00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,179

And that's just offering our tractor saying,

00:36:22,179 --> 00:36:23,931

hey, we're willing to disc this field for you

00:36:23,931 --> 00:36:24,557

instead of you getting

00:36:24,557 --> 00:36:25,725

into tractor and disking it.

00:36:26,142 --> 00:36:29,979

Yeah, we met a farmer, first day I was here,

00:36:30,521 --> 00:36:33,107

that had luckily survived something like that.

00:36:33,107 --> 00:36:33,608

And then you showed me

00:36:33,608 --> 00:36:34,817

the blast crater and things.

00:36:35,109 --> 00:36:35,943

And you wanna tell me a

00:36:35,943 --> 00:36:36,986

little bit about that story,

00:36:36,986 --> 00:36:37,528

like what happened.

00:36:37,904 --> 00:36:41,032

Yeah, so yeah, he's become a good friend of ours,

00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:44,952

I mean, incredible guy and the stories he has

00:36:45,119 --> 00:36:46,495

is just will blow your mind

00:36:46,829 --> 00:36:49,123

the many different stories he has of close calls.

00:36:49,749 --> 00:36:53,544

But he is a man that has just taken on himself,

00:36:53,544 --> 00:36:54,795

He's going out and clearing his fields,

00:36:54,795 --> 00:36:55,671

he's getting back to farming.

00:36:56,422 --> 00:36:58,090

And yeah, one instance,

00:36:58,090 --> 00:37:00,801

he was driving a telehandler through a field.

00:37:00,801 --> 00:37:02,345

He had walked both sides of it

00:37:02,637 --> 00:37:03,721

and he thought he was good to

00:37:03,721 --> 00:37:04,972

cross through on the one edge

00:37:05,348 --> 00:37:07,308

and ran across a tank mine,

00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:09,310

which was enough force to

00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:11,270

blow the telehandler on its side.

00:37:11,854 --> 00:37:13,940

And it messed him up pretty bad.

00:37:13,940 --> 00:37:15,107

He was in the hospital for a while.

00:37:15,691 --> 00:37:17,860

And he's got scars all down his back and shoulder.

00:37:17,860 --> 00:37:19,612

Yeah, so he's like stitching and all that stuff.

00:37:20,071 --> 00:37:22,114

Yeah, I mean, he is very lucky to be alive

00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:23,366

because a tank mine is a

00:37:23,366 --> 00:37:24,867

very, very large explosion.

00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:28,496

And yeah, that was one instance

00:37:28,496 --> 00:37:30,665

to where he himself actually

00:37:30,665 --> 00:37:32,166

was in a piece of equipment,

00:37:32,166 --> 00:37:33,084

ran over a tank mine.

00:37:33,584 --> 00:37:35,169

I mean, the crater was still there.

00:37:35,169 --> 00:37:36,003

I mean, what's left, even

00:37:36,003 --> 00:37:37,463

after the field had been tilled.

00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:39,173

Yeah, they have been farming that field

00:37:39,173 --> 00:37:40,383

and you can still see.

00:37:40,383 --> 00:37:41,342

It was a big deal.

00:37:41,884 --> 00:37:42,843

Actually, I got some footage of it

00:37:42,927 --> 00:37:44,762

and people will put that on the video here.

00:37:44,762 --> 00:37:46,013

And there was like pieces of the glass

00:37:46,472 --> 00:37:48,599

and pieces of the broken equipment

00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:49,809

still laying off to the side.

00:37:50,309 --> 00:37:52,770

That was really sobering to see that as like,

00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:55,064

this is not just a theory.

00:37:55,481 --> 00:37:58,234

You know, like this is a person we just met

00:37:58,234 --> 00:38:01,696

who the war came to him.

00:38:01,696 --> 00:38:03,030

I mean, he has nothing to do with this.

00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:04,281

He's just trying to farm his field.

00:38:04,281 --> 00:38:05,116

He's just trying to get back to farming.

00:38:05,783 --> 00:38:05,950

Yeah.

00:38:05,950 --> 00:38:06,158

Yeah.

00:38:06,701 --> 00:38:08,661

And just a little further down,

00:38:09,620 --> 00:38:12,581

he would have pulled a mine line out of 40 mines,

00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:14,125

just not far from that.

00:38:15,001 --> 00:38:16,711

Wait, he found them and

00:38:16,711 --> 00:38:17,920

flagged them and everything himself.

00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:18,129

Yeah.

00:38:18,879 --> 00:38:19,839

That'd be so scary.

00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:20,923

He actually pulls them himself.

00:38:21,298 --> 00:38:22,758

Like he'll unscrew the

00:38:22,758 --> 00:38:24,218

fuses, pull them out of the field

00:38:24,593 --> 00:38:25,886

and then he calls the

00:38:25,886 --> 00:38:26,887

authorities and they come out.

00:38:27,596 --> 00:38:30,016

But no, he removes them from the field himself.

00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:32,685

So he'd cleared all those, but missed one.

00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:34,478

And that's what almost killed him.

00:38:34,687 --> 00:38:37,356

And then also another story in that mine line

00:38:37,523 --> 00:38:39,025

where he had removed 40,

00:38:39,567 --> 00:38:41,402

he thought he was good to farm that field.

00:38:41,402 --> 00:38:42,278

He had, they had walked

00:38:42,278 --> 00:38:43,779

it, they moved out 40 mines.

00:38:44,405 --> 00:38:49,326

And actually he has a picture, he sent it to me

00:38:49,535 --> 00:38:51,078

where they're farming the

00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:52,455

field directly next to it.

00:38:52,455 --> 00:38:55,458

They have a combine in there and it's working.

00:38:55,958 --> 00:38:57,960

And he's standing there right beside the field

00:38:57,960 --> 00:38:59,295

holding up a tank mine.

00:38:59,712 --> 00:39:02,131

And he found that 40 mines right along,

00:39:02,131 --> 00:39:03,215

right next to where they were farming.

00:39:03,215 --> 00:39:04,592

So they started farming this one.

00:39:04,967 --> 00:39:06,469

And that's the field where he blew himself up

00:39:06,552 --> 00:39:08,471

in the telehandler and then right next to it

00:39:08,471 --> 00:39:09,513

is another 40 mines.

00:39:10,139 --> 00:39:11,849

And so he removed those mines.

00:39:12,433 --> 00:39:13,684

He thinks they're good to start farming

00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:16,395

and they blow up a tractor.

00:39:16,395 --> 00:39:17,855

And I don't know the details

00:39:17,855 --> 00:39:19,565

of how hurt the person was.

00:39:19,565 --> 00:39:20,608

It wasn't him in the tractor,

00:39:20,900 --> 00:39:21,984

but I know the man survived.

00:39:22,985 --> 00:39:24,862

They blew up a tractor in that one.

00:39:24,862 --> 00:39:26,489

There was one below the surface.

00:39:26,489 --> 00:39:27,740

He didn't have a metal detector.

00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:29,742

So he went by visual and

00:39:29,742 --> 00:39:31,160

he found 40 of them in line,

00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:33,120

started farming, blew up a tractor.

00:39:33,662 --> 00:39:36,582

So then they started building a tractor

00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:38,584

that was run remote control.

00:39:39,376 --> 00:39:40,920

And it's one that they rigged up.

00:39:41,712 --> 00:39:42,630

I saw the tractor.

00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:46,175

They had a drill mounted that would run the,

00:39:46,175 --> 00:39:47,927

and a chain that would run the steering wheel.

00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:50,221

Like it was, they

00:39:50,221 --> 00:39:52,056

fabricated it up, came up with the,

00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:54,308

I don't know how exactly they did it,

00:39:54,642 --> 00:39:56,519

but they went to then

00:39:56,519 --> 00:39:58,687

continue disking that mine line.

00:39:59,230 --> 00:40:01,023

And if I understood him right,

00:40:01,065 --> 00:40:01,899

he said it took him two

00:40:01,899 --> 00:40:03,317

years to build that tractor.

00:40:03,734 --> 00:40:04,944

And in five minutes they blew it up

00:40:05,361 --> 00:40:06,237

because they hit another mine

00:40:06,237 --> 00:40:07,321

10 foot away from the other one.

00:40:07,321 --> 00:40:07,613

They missed it.

00:40:08,197 --> 00:40:09,240

Oh, they thought they were good.

00:40:09,240 --> 00:40:10,241

It was another one subsurface.

00:40:10,282 --> 00:40:10,950

Oh man.

00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:12,159

But he knew the risk.

00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:15,162

That's why he did it, built the tractor remotely,

00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:17,498

but still, and it's just

00:40:17,498 --> 00:40:18,874

how disheartening that is.

00:40:19,208 --> 00:40:20,167

You go to all of that work

00:40:20,167 --> 00:40:21,669

and you blow up another tractor.

00:40:21,794 --> 00:40:22,920

Yeah, at least nobody was in it.

00:40:22,962 --> 00:40:23,379

Yeah, exactly.

00:40:24,380 --> 00:40:26,757

But yeah, like meeting him and going to that spot

00:40:27,007 --> 00:40:27,925

where that mine line had

00:40:27,925 --> 00:40:28,843

been, you pointed it out to me

00:40:28,884 --> 00:40:30,010

and I got some footage of

00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:31,011

it because it's just so neat.

00:40:31,387 --> 00:40:32,388

It's being farmed out.

00:40:32,638 --> 00:40:33,639

It's cleared and you guys

00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:34,849

were part of that process

00:40:35,099 --> 00:40:37,518

and just, yeah, he's lucky,

00:40:38,018 --> 00:40:39,019

but there's a lot of

00:40:39,019 --> 00:40:40,104

people maybe aren't so lucky.

00:40:40,104 --> 00:40:40,563

Yeah, exactly.

00:40:42,439 --> 00:40:44,733

All of this just makes me

00:40:44,733 --> 00:40:47,611

think a lot of Isaiah chapter two

00:40:48,070 --> 00:40:50,072

where he talks about they beat their swords

00:40:50,072 --> 00:40:52,158

into plowshares or they will beat their swords

00:40:52,700 --> 00:40:53,617

into plowshares.

00:40:53,993 --> 00:40:54,618

You're not literally

00:40:54,618 --> 00:40:55,953

taking this metal melting down

00:40:55,953 --> 00:40:56,954

and turning it into plows,

00:40:57,037 --> 00:40:59,832

but you are removing the swords from these fields

00:40:59,832 --> 00:41:00,958

so they can be plowed.

00:41:01,375 --> 00:41:04,253

And there's a beautiful connection there.

00:41:04,753 --> 00:41:09,425

And as Anabaptists, we say we're against war.

00:41:09,425 --> 00:41:10,676

Like war is evil.

00:41:10,676 --> 00:41:12,845

We don't believe in killing all of these things.

00:41:13,512 --> 00:41:17,600

And I see what you're doing as a really practical

00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:20,644

in shoe leather way of expressing that.

00:41:21,187 --> 00:41:25,149

We don't believe in these instruments of death

00:41:25,149 --> 00:41:26,567

being used against other people.

00:41:26,609 --> 00:41:32,156

Well, yeah, we don't wanna see these farmers

00:41:32,156 --> 00:41:33,532

getting blown up essentially

00:41:33,782 --> 00:41:35,743

and how you're willing to

00:41:35,743 --> 00:41:36,994

be a part of that process.

00:41:37,411 --> 00:41:38,120

Like, would you have any

00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,496

words for people listening

00:41:39,580 --> 00:41:41,081

that would hold those beliefs,

00:41:41,582 --> 00:41:42,917

don't wanna be part of war,

00:41:43,334 --> 00:41:44,877

but actually how can they

00:41:44,877 --> 00:41:47,087

do something about that?

00:41:47,087 --> 00:41:48,756

Like how can they actually live that belief out?

00:41:48,756 --> 00:41:50,299

Like it's easy to say that,

00:41:50,716 --> 00:41:53,969

versus will we do something to help people?

00:41:54,595 --> 00:41:55,846

I don't know, is that making sense?

00:41:55,888 --> 00:41:57,681

Can you speak into that at all?

00:41:57,890 --> 00:42:00,100

Yeah, I mean, I think for me though,

00:42:00,309 --> 00:42:03,479

I really see this as no different

00:42:03,604 --> 00:42:06,023

than helping someone rebuild their house

00:42:06,023 --> 00:42:07,149

that's been destroyed by war.

00:42:07,691 --> 00:42:08,817

To me, I put them

00:42:08,817 --> 00:42:11,028

completely in the same category.

00:42:11,528 --> 00:42:13,989

War is destructive, war is evil.

00:42:14,698 --> 00:42:16,492

And in the same way that

00:42:16,492 --> 00:42:18,077

war blows up people's houses

00:42:18,452 --> 00:42:19,411

and they have to come home

00:42:19,411 --> 00:42:20,371

and then rebuild their house,

00:42:20,746 --> 00:42:22,748

and it does the same thing to a farmer's field.

00:42:23,082 --> 00:42:25,793

It leaves remnants in there that are explosive

00:42:26,168 --> 00:42:27,211

and then it has to be removed

00:42:27,211 --> 00:42:28,921

in order to get back to farming.

00:42:29,338 --> 00:42:32,341

And so, yeah, in the same way

00:42:32,341 --> 00:42:34,677

in which we are quick to jump in

00:42:34,677 --> 00:42:36,679

and help post-conflict and

00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:37,972

help people rebuild their lives,

00:42:38,347 --> 00:42:39,348

I see this as just another

00:42:39,348 --> 00:42:41,850

piece of that puzzle of doing that.

00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:44,270

And yeah, because again,

00:42:44,270 --> 00:42:45,980

if we believe these things,

00:42:46,772 --> 00:42:48,607

and now living it out,

00:42:49,692 --> 00:42:51,318

and being part of the

00:42:51,318 --> 00:42:52,861

solution to help these people,

00:42:53,404 --> 00:42:55,281

instead of just sitting in our comfortable houses

00:42:55,281 --> 00:42:57,366

and saying, "Oh, that's terrible."

00:42:58,284 --> 00:42:59,451

But actually go and help them.

00:42:59,493 --> 00:43:00,577

That's exactly right, yeah,

00:43:00,577 --> 00:43:01,495

that's exactly right, yeah.

00:43:02,204 --> 00:43:02,413

Yeah.

00:43:03,122 --> 00:43:04,498

I think once you visit an

00:43:04,498 --> 00:43:06,000

area that is post-conflict,

00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:08,460

you recognize the need that's there

00:43:08,627 --> 00:43:12,172

and you share in the burden,

00:43:12,631 --> 00:43:14,800

that's you share in the need,

00:43:15,259 --> 00:43:18,554

and regardless of what that may be,

00:43:19,555 --> 00:43:21,348

post-conflict people are very,

00:43:22,308 --> 00:43:23,976

they're very open and very vulnerable.

00:43:24,893 --> 00:43:27,396

And it's just that it's an excellent time

00:43:27,396 --> 00:43:28,731

to reach into people's lives

00:43:29,315 --> 00:43:31,400

and they're coming through trauma.

00:43:32,067 --> 00:43:33,152

And so whether it's

00:43:33,152 --> 00:43:35,404

rebuild, whether it's food parcels,

00:43:35,404 --> 00:43:37,489

whether it's medical, whether it's clearing

00:43:38,407 --> 00:43:39,616

explosives out of a field,

00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:42,703

they're very, very receptive to that help.

00:43:43,162 --> 00:43:44,413

And I believe in those moments,

00:43:44,538 --> 00:43:47,875

also very receptive to you being able

00:43:48,042 --> 00:43:51,170

to show Christ's love and light into their lives.

00:43:52,588 --> 00:43:55,674

I just wanna say, express our thanks

00:43:55,674 --> 00:43:57,134

for letting us come and

00:43:57,134 --> 00:43:58,677

see this and document this.

00:43:58,677 --> 00:43:59,762

I think this is an important

00:43:59,762 --> 00:44:01,430

story for our people to hear

00:44:01,764 --> 00:44:03,265

and also for keeping us safe

00:44:03,265 --> 00:44:04,600

as we walk around so many places.

00:44:04,808 --> 00:44:06,143

Because I don't know that,

00:44:06,143 --> 00:44:07,519

I don't understand this stuff, right?

00:44:07,811 --> 00:44:09,646

But really though, you're

00:44:09,646 --> 00:44:10,814

doing something different here

00:44:11,023 --> 00:44:13,859

that I have not seen done before.

00:44:14,109 --> 00:44:15,903

And I was like, wow,

00:44:15,986 --> 00:44:18,364

I feel like our people need to hear about that.

00:44:19,531 --> 00:44:20,324

There's something going on

00:44:20,324 --> 00:44:22,451

here that makes me think,

00:44:22,451 --> 00:44:23,994

makes me reevaluate a bit of

00:44:23,994 --> 00:44:25,245

how I think about these things.

00:44:25,621 --> 00:44:26,830

And that's important.

00:44:27,206 --> 00:44:27,414

Yeah.

00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:29,875

I mean, I think there is one thing

00:44:29,875 --> 00:44:31,960

that I really would like to impress.

00:44:32,294 --> 00:44:35,339

And I don't want this taken the wrong way.

00:44:35,339 --> 00:44:36,548

I hope this can be taken the right way.

00:44:36,799 --> 00:44:39,718

But we don't feel like

00:44:39,927 --> 00:44:42,012

supernatural people doing this.

00:44:42,388 --> 00:44:44,598

We're very normal, regular people.

00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,394

And I firmly believe this work can be done

00:44:48,685 --> 00:44:50,896

by very normal people.

00:44:51,355 --> 00:44:53,774

Anybody who is out there, and if you're a person,

00:44:54,274 --> 00:44:55,442

you can do this type of work.

00:44:55,859 --> 00:44:58,445

Sure, it is good to be educated

00:44:58,862 --> 00:45:01,615

in understanding what's the threat,

00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:03,784

understanding what is safe and what's not.

00:45:04,410 --> 00:45:05,828

You have to have some of that.

00:45:05,828 --> 00:45:06,787

So there's some education that

00:45:06,787 --> 00:45:08,372

needs to be involved in this.

00:45:08,789 --> 00:45:10,124

But it comes down to being

00:45:10,124 --> 00:45:11,208

willing to going out there

00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:13,293

and sharing in the burden in this type of work.

00:45:13,669 --> 00:45:14,586

And in this environment,

00:45:14,586 --> 00:45:15,921

it's specifically with farmers,

00:45:16,296 --> 00:45:17,714

but you take this to other countries,

00:45:18,173 --> 00:45:20,467

it might be clearing people's houses

00:45:20,467 --> 00:45:22,094

so they can return back to their homes.

00:45:22,428 --> 00:45:24,638

I mean, the dynamics can completely shift.

00:45:25,097 --> 00:45:26,807

But at the end of the day,

00:45:27,266 --> 00:45:29,309

it's going to be done by normal people

00:45:30,310 --> 00:45:32,479

who are willing to step in and take care of this,

00:45:32,938 --> 00:45:34,648

or help with this, not take care of it,

00:45:34,898 --> 00:45:36,442

help with this, help share in the burden.

00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:38,777

And so I guess that's

00:45:38,777 --> 00:45:40,362

kind of my heartbeat as well,

00:45:40,737 --> 00:45:42,281

that people don't think that it takes

00:45:42,448 --> 00:45:43,991

a supernatural person to do this.

00:45:44,283 --> 00:45:45,033

No, it just takes someone

00:45:45,033 --> 00:45:46,785

who's willing to put some effort

00:45:46,785 --> 00:45:50,873

in to have a better understanding of munitions

00:45:51,415 --> 00:45:52,958

and being willing to share

00:45:52,958 --> 00:45:54,960

in the burden on a local level

00:45:55,127 --> 00:45:57,171

and help the people in need.

00:45:58,213 --> 00:45:59,715

And I just want to thank

00:45:59,715 --> 00:46:01,425

you for showing us an example

00:46:01,633 --> 00:46:03,218

of what Isaiah talks about,

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turning those swords into plowshares,

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like removing these

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instruments of war from a place

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so that people can get on with their farming,

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plowing their fields again.

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That's pretty beautiful.

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And the contrast between these two,

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when you showed us this place before,

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I was just like, wow, you can

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so visually see useless land.

00:46:24,448 --> 00:46:25,699

Someone has their farm back.

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And the difference between those two,

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and that's because you guys

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were willing to go out there.

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And that's important for our people to see that.

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And yeah, don't glamorize it, but also say,

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this is a legitimate thing to help people

00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,962

and being willing to do that.

00:46:40,214 --> 00:46:41,215

So yeah, well, thank you

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for your time today, Jared.

00:46:42,633 --> 00:46:44,343

Thanks for showing us around the countryside,

00:46:44,343 --> 00:46:46,220

keeping us safe and all of those things.

00:46:46,803 --> 00:46:48,597

It's been a true honor to do this.

00:46:48,805 --> 00:46:50,474

Yeah, and it's been great having you guys here.

00:46:50,807 --> 00:46:53,101

And we really enjoyed being

00:46:53,101 --> 00:46:54,478

able to show you what's going on.

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And yeah, we pray that this can be a way

00:46:57,147 --> 00:46:59,733

of people seeing things in a different way

00:46:59,733 --> 00:47:01,818

and recognizing this as a way

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in which we can touch the lives of people.

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And so yeah, that's our prayer.

00:47:06,490 --> 00:47:08,784

Thanks for listening to this episode with Jared.

00:47:09,368 --> 00:47:11,411

He mentioned the butterfly mines,

00:47:11,411 --> 00:47:12,704

these are some of those pieces he'd showed

00:47:13,038 --> 00:47:13,622

during the interview.

00:47:13,830 --> 00:47:15,707

And actually Vince Lewis talked about,

00:47:16,083 --> 00:47:17,918

I think it was the same munition actually used

00:47:17,918 --> 00:47:19,169

in the Vietnam War and how

00:47:19,169 --> 00:47:20,879

he met some victims of that

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and how he had been a

00:47:22,214 --> 00:47:24,049

bomber pilot in the Vietnam War.

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So we recorded a whole

00:47:25,008 --> 00:47:26,635

episode with him on that experience

00:47:26,635 --> 00:47:27,886

and how he got out of the Air Force,

00:47:27,886 --> 00:47:29,346

changed his beliefs about war.

00:47:29,346 --> 00:47:31,056

And you can find that episode linked

00:47:31,056 --> 00:47:32,933

in the description down below.

00:47:33,433 --> 00:47:35,352

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00:47:35,519 --> 00:47:36,478

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