Heather Shannon (00:01.562)
Hello, everybody. We are back for another episode of Ask the Sex Therapist. And we have a special guest today who is a global healing expert and award-winning author. So Ines Segal is a pioneer in the field of energy medicine and human consciousness and the bestselling author of The Secret Language of Your Body, which has been translated into 27 languages and sold over a million copies worldwide. That's like so wild.
and we're going to talk more about your journey. So I won't give too much away, but you've been doing this work for like 25 years and we're going to help people in this episode to feel good in their body, feel sexy, work through any kind of physical limitations. I've talked a lot about my bloating issues being my number one, like unsexy factor. and then we're also going talk about the nervous system and how this energy works.
kind of can help us create more of a balanced nervous system, which I've been keeping tabs on my audience. And burnout and nervous system issues is one of the number one things that I see limiting people's sex life. So I'm very excited to have you here. Thank you for being here, Savannah.
Inna Segal (01:08.846)
Thank you, Heather. It's really exciting to be here and exploring this topic. don't get to explore it very often, so I'm excited.
Heather Shannon (01:19.194)
Thank you. I know I have a little bias, I obviously think that sexuality is a pretty fun topic. And needed, you know, because we think so much about our body in terms of, you know, how it functions and if we have a torn meniscus or if we're bloated or whatever, we don't spend as much time, I think, kind of like living in our body and living in our sexual energy. What are your thoughts?
Inna Segal (01:46.67)
100%. And I think that it was so interesting for me as well, because my partner was away for several months, not that long ago. And I was kind of thinking, okay, I go through cycles and themes of things that I want to work on, because I don't like teaching things that I don't do. And so I go through these cycles and I kind of go where
Heather Shannon (02:06.499)
Yes.
Inna Segal (02:13.291)
you know, where can I get better? Where can I explore more and exploring the feminine has definitely been a huge kind of cycle and recycle back to it, mainly because I feel that if you are in a female body in particular, we live in a society where which is very masculinized. And because it's masculinized, we end up doing we become doing machines. And I was actually, it was really interesting because
I was in the UK, because my father is from the UK, but he will leave in Australia. I was watching his mom and she's an amazing lady, but is a doing machine. And I was like, when do you relax? When do you connect to the feminine? When do you allow yourself to feel feelings?
It was like, I could see that she was taught just to survive and just, you know, to kind of get through the day to be positive. Like she's really, really positive. But it was like, when do you connect to your body? When do you allow sensuality to come through? And so while, you know, while Matt was away, I was like, okay, cool. I'm, I have this time here, you know, without him to really
Heather Shannon (03:14.504)
Bye.
Inna Segal (03:38.602)
allow myself to connect to my body and also to actually look at from the feminine side, from that flow state, from that heart connection that allows you to feel much more relaxed inside your body. through, know, I feel that it often happens for me personally. And I think for a lot of women that I've spoken to and taught over the years, it's like when we let go and we allow ourselves to dance, we allow ourselves to move.
we allow ourselves to, you know, to touch our bodies in different ways than we're to. And I think we were just having that little discussion about body image. It's like, if I, right, if I look in the mirror and I say to myself, my God, I hate my body and I'm overweight and I'm this and I'm that, like most women do, that is not sexy and it's not sexy for you. So it's kind of like, how do I get
that sexy on from the perspective of allowing, because the, you know, because central energy moves through your body when you actually relax, when you allow, right? And when you, when your own imagination, when you, when your own, I guess, creativity, let's call it creativity comes in. And I think that
yeah, it's such a huge topic and there's so many ways to begin approaching it. I remember when I was going through this, I maybe 10 years ago, because I go through different cycles and I'm like, okay, what does it mean for me now to connect to my feminine? And at that time, I was really into color and dressing up. And so I, you know, I'd have this big mirror in the middle of, I lived in a house that had this
huge space where, you know, a different partner that I was with at the time, we would use this space for, he was an actor, so he would explore his acting and I would explore my dancing and femininity and would have this, when it was my turn, let's just say, I'd have this mirror and I'd also have this wall space. And it was really interesting because it was like,
Inna Segal (06:04.685)
The idea for me was to decorate the wall space in the way that really allowed me to be reminded of what feminine meant to me. So I had one of my best friends as a designer in Paris and he made me a dress and to be honest, somebody in my family borrowed it and changed it and so I couldn't wear it. Cause a long story around boundary.
learning how to have boundaries with people. So anyway, this person borrowed it and decided to make it fit her body. And so we don't have the same body sizes. So I was like, great, okay. And, you know, and I love this dress so much. And I was like, well, that reminds me of femininity, but I didn't really get to wear it, but I can put it on my wall. So I literally had this amazing
I'm stunning green dress on my ball and I had this, know, stiletto shoes around. It was just such a creative wall that, you know, every time I came out of my bedroom and I would see it, I'd go, okay. A reminder to slow down, to breathe deeper, to, you know, to reconnect with myself. And then I would go.
And I think I was mentioning to you, I learned lots of things from David Dade. At the time I was looking at tantra and tantric ways of reconnecting. And he was talking about how do you really hold that feminine, especially if no one showed you? Because how many of us have been shown that?
Heather Shannon (07:48.963)
Yes.
Well, yeah, really none. I remember growing up, I think my dad was sometimes like, well, you could be a little more feminine. And I'm like, first of all, why are you saying that? Second of all, what does that even mean? You know, and I think a lot of us grew up thinking like, does that mean wear more dresses? No, but no, that's not what it's about. Now, now I get it better. But would you explain that a little bit for people? Like, what does it mean? And like, why is it important?
Inna Segal (08:06.689)
Hmm.
Inna Segal (08:12.002)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (08:22.925)
Well, yeah, because what actually happens, and I definitely learned a lot from David Data, is that with the feminine part of us, what we need the most is to be seen. So when we're seen in the feminine, we start to open up, we start to shine, we start to express ourselves, and that's why whenever we're with somebody in that feminine state, we're going, am I feeling it, am I not feeling it, am I connected, am I not connected?
And this is why you actually listen for everything to do with connection. And what happens is that when you've been hurt or when you've seen, and I don't know if you relate this to this Heather, when I was 15 and 16, I was watching my mom and I was like, this is, she looks like a slave to me. And if that is feminine, she's just doing things again, doing machine.
You know, whatever my dad wants, she's doing for him. She's cleaning. And I looked at it and I was like, if that's feminine, I don't want that. I don't want to be that. And then I remember when I was growing up, it was Madonna who kind of was the person that to me, you know, at that time was this strong woman who represented power and success. And I was like, well, that's what I want to be. I don't want to be.
Heather Shannon (09:28.439)
Yes. Yeah.
Heather Shannon (09:42.499)
Mm-hmm.
Inna Segal (09:50.242)
where I see my mom be. so essentially, you know, and Madonna is, you know, is amazing person, but she wasn't feminine. And so, well, some of it, but a lot more of it that I want to get things happening, I want to get things done. It's much more of a masculine type of feeling, whereas the feminine is actually your internal self. So it's, it's about you nurturing your inner self where you go,
how does my heart feel today? Do I feel, do I feel constricted? The more constricted I feel, the less, you know, sexy or sensual I am going to feel. So feminine essentially to me means nurturing. And again, many of us didn't see that it's nurturing, it's playfulness, it's creativity, it's time without limits. It's actually giving yourself
Heather Shannon (10:21.303)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (10:47.787)
an opportunity to be adventurous, to be creative, to come up with ideas. It's having time to smell the flowers, right? It's having time to find yourself from inside out where you go, this is the version of me that I am right now. And I remember when I really connected to this originally, if I can give a metaphor to people, I kind of felt like when we're born,
Heather Shannon (10:53.357)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (11:17.431)
We're born into this castle that has all these different rooms and each room essentially represents another aspect of your creative self that is uniquely you. And what happens is as we get older, we're told, don't cry, don't be a baby, don't be dis, don't show anger, don't show that, no, you're not good enough at this, you're not creative enough.
We're told that we should compete against everybody when we go to school as opposed to, well, why am I in competition with somebody else? Why don't you nurture me to be the best version of me? I should only be in competition with myself of how I can be the best in what I can be. And so we start to put ourselves down, we start to shut down, we start to become disconnected and disassociated and...
we put on these masks, let's call them our protective layers. And if we look at this castle, we close the doors. And so all of our colorful creative self is actually locked into these rooms. to be, especially if you're a feminine person, because it's a little bit different for when you're a masculine person.
for a feminine person to be sexy, you need to be connected to yourself. You need to feel almost that juiciness coming through from, know, from, because you have reserves of energy and you're being seen, you feel, you're seeing yourself as well. You're taking the time to go, I'm important, and like my daughter, she's 22, and she,
Heather Shannon (12:43.127)
Yeah!
Inna Segal (13:02.497)
from when she left home, she started saying, mom, I have date with myself once a week. Yeah. I know. And she'd go, it's my date with myself to connect to my feminine. And I go and I get my nails done and I go to the park and I have my matcha and I connect with myself and I just.
Heather Shannon (13:08.819)
I love that! That's so cute! What a mature destiny!
Inna Segal (13:27.693)
you know, relax, I have my journal and I write down ideas and then I go and you know, I do something really, you know, good for myself, I shop or I connect to a color that I need to wear and I kind of discover what that color is about and so, you know, and I could find, I said to her, so interesting, because we were having conversation about sexuality a few months ago, I said to her, I'm gonna be on, you know, this podcast.
What do you think? Like, you know, what should I talk about? I actually said this to her. And she was like, I said to her, I'm just curious, know, especially about your generation and how you feel. And she was like, you know, well, I actually feel like I grew up and what was really interesting with her was that when she was 15 and 16, I was like, name's Angelina. I'm like, Ange, come on.
wear something sexier, like why do you wear it? And she was like, no, I'm not, you know, I'm happy with these types of clothes. And then when she was ready, like she's, you know, she is definitely somebody who owns her sexuality in a really powerful way. You know, and she said to me, cause I was saying, look, what I grew up and what I saw in terms of femininity with my mom, how do you feel? Cause
I've had to work at it. It has definitely been something that I've had to go, what does this mean? I don't feel like I've had the best example. And I don't want to, it's not like I'm not the person who's gonna be aggressive in their sexuality, but I want to be attractive and sexy and connect with my partner in a loving way. But it's not like I'm not gonna be like a Madonna type of out there. That's not who I am.
Heather Shannon (15:10.179)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (15:20.265)
It was really interesting because she said, that's so interesting. feel like, cause we were talking about even going out, you know, and flirting with someone how most people don't know how to do that. Cause it's, it's like where we've been shut down so much and she was like, wow, that's interesting that you say that because I've never had an issue with that. just feel, and what she said is that
Heather Shannon (15:29.624)
Yeah
Inna Segal (15:46.944)
I feel so comfortable in my skin and in my body that I just feel like it's so natural for me to be friendly and flirty and you know, cause I love my body. she said, you know, remember how you told me to love my body. she said, I don't want to show her. And she was saying, she said, it's like most people, even her age, goes, you know, mom, grew up with
Heather Shannon (15:57.753)
it.
Heather Shannon (16:02.825)
This is your world.
Inna Segal (16:16.417)
like this really bad body image around me, but not from myself. You know, she's like at school, every friend that I have, both female and male, are constantly going on about their body and how they hate it. And she said, it's like, I've never really had this issue because you've always made me feel safe and you made me feel like, you know, my body was beautiful whichever way, you know, it was.
wherever it was going and to love it. And she's like, I really look after it. You know, and they were, you know, when, she was growing up, I was very much into healthy eating. We only eat organic food and we don't eat sugar. And she was like, it was really frustrating and challenging when we were growing up. And she was like, you know, this whole celery juice thing was not up my alley. And she goes,
but you're not gonna believe it, I actually go out and buy celery juice sometimes for myself. And she's like, you know, I, from you, I learned how to, how important it is to love my body. And I think that is such a difficult thing for so many people is to, to start, cause that is a starting point. It's to go sometimes,
Heather Shannon (17:19.673)
Inna Segal (17:41.186)
you know, sometimes my body, because what people do, especially as they get into their, you know, late thirties and forties, and they put on weight, you know, they go, I don't like this, this is not how I was. And so they actually try to get themselves into a state of, you know, I'm going to motivate myself, but motivating themselves from
being aggressive and not nice to themselves and negative about how their body looks and pushing themselves, let's go to the gym because look, I'm fat, I'm this, I'm that other, right? As opposed to going, how do I work with my body so that actually, firstly, I find out you were saying about bloating. I find out why...
Am I bloating or why am I holding on to weight in particular parts of my body? Maybe it's because my body doesn't feel safe.
Heather Shannon (18:47.917)
Yes, that's a big one, I think, for a lot of people. Yeah.
Inna Segal (18:49.965)
Right? Well, it is. Yeah. Like, if I don't feel safe, then I'm going to protect myself. And maybe again, coming back to that, working in terms of the feminine in yourself, it's going, it's really taking the time to ask the questions and to go, what, what does safety mean for me? What does
Heather Shannon (19:17.208)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (19:18.273)
being seen look like for me in terms of myself and my partner, how do I show up with my partner in terms of...
you know, I want to go back to, and I'm jumping a bit because I'm excited. But if we come back to that idea of we're born into this, you know, and we have all these rooms and we have all this access to creativity. So one of the things that I know, when I spent years and years listening to David Dade about tantra and stuff, and attraction that he talked about is that
Heather Shannon (19:36.249)
you
Heather Shannon (19:57.946)
Mm-hmm.
Inna Segal (19:59.886)
whether you're in a masculine body or feminine body, it doesn't matter. You need to connect to the part of you where you're showing different colors and different flavors to your partner. And he was saying at the time that, and this really resonated with me, that in particular, well, this is for both men and women, essentially, or even if you're in gay relationships or whatever relationship you're in, when people...
Heather Shannon (20:25.785)
you
Inna Segal (20:28.343)
feel like they're only getting the same type of energy, the same type of color, the same type of flavor, they start looking for something else.
You know, because in particular the masculine people, but I think it's both to be honest. They want, so for women, it's like, I want to be acknowledged. I want to feel beautiful. I want to, you know, feel like I'm shining. I want to feel like you're seeing my shine. I have this conversation with my partner all the time. I'm like, okay, for women, if you want to have a good sex life with me.
You need to ask me questions every day and you need to give me compliments. Like that's what you need to be doing. And he, yeah, like that's, this is what's going to work if that's what you want, if that's what you're looking for, you know, and we practice this because the other day he was like, okay. So he, he literally, and this is funny, but he's like,
Heather Shannon (21:13.859)
Yeah.
Heather Shannon (21:17.769)
I see you're trying such a clear roadmap.
Heather Shannon (21:25.25)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (21:36.459)
You know how hard it is for men, like after you've been together for a while to ask questions. So he's working on creating an app that helps you to ask questions and do compliments for men.
Heather Shannon (21:41.709)
You
Heather Shannon (21:47.831)
My god, that was hilarious. That was very practical.
Inna Segal (21:53.681)
Yeah, he's like, know, like, and put this and this and this into the app to help men, men to, you know, to do these things. But it's like, okay, you want me like, this is the way and I think it's so important to talk to your partner in this way as well. This is the way that it would help for me for you to put me into the feminine and he was like, and this, you know, and ask him the same thing.
what would help you and he's like, I want to touch. I need you to touch me during the day and hug me and that makes me calm down and it makes me feel more open. He's like, I don't care about words. I don't want words. I want touch and I'm like, okay, well, I want words. Exactly, so it's part of that because I'm like, I wanna be...
Heather Shannon (22:41.249)
different needs.
Inna Segal (22:47.433)
scene and I'll give you feedback on this because this is something women don't do often they just go okay thanks for doing it and then the man goes well did I do well did I do right you know and I'm always like yep you did so well do more of this this opened my heart or this made me feel like this so you know it you start to create that that connection and safety but also
Heather Shannon (22:58.648)
Yeah.
Heather Shannon (23:04.195)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (23:15.821)
it allows you, let's come back to the, you know, colors and what Dayudeta was saying is that we have, we need to show these different sides of ourselves essentially. But for most of us, and this is where I think the big work is for many people, for most of us, we go from this, you know, from this castle with so many different rooms and possibilities.
And by the time most of us are in our 20s, we're in this kind of two or three bedroom apartment where if we had to put colors to this, we're, you know, we may be good at red, brown, and yellow. And we're comfortable with expressing that because as we grew up, people were saying, I like this. I like this personality. I like when you do this. And we went, this is safe. This is comfortable.
this is me as opposed to, well, how about, and I come from a background of acting. So to me, when I started thinking about this concept, I remember thinking at the time, I've been traveling the world and I've met so many amazing people and you know, I must be, I must have so many parts to myself.
Heather Shannon (24:20.898)
Okay.
Inna Segal (24:39.917)
And I literally, you know, I was connecting to myself. I remember I had this whole day to myself where my partner at the time was out working. And what shocked me was that even though I'd been traveling, I had exhausted myself. And this is what we do often. And when you're exhausted, you actually, all these colors and flavors are shut down because you're in survival mode. And so it
Heather Shannon (25:08.409)
Hmm.
Inna Segal (25:09.175)
felt to me that when I was in this castle, it was almost like I hadn't been there for so long because again, I'd been a teacher, I'd been a friend to somebody, but I had not spent the time developing and exploring these parts in myself. We can call them archetypal parts where it was like, well, what is...
you know, essential, sexy, goddess, even mean to me, if I was to embody that, I don't even know what that means. You know, at the time, it was like, what does it what does it mean to be more playful? I don't even know how to play anymore. Because, you know, life is so serious. And I have to have little children, I have to get things done, I've got to get it around. And so it was this
Heather Shannon (26:04.215)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (26:06.689)
particular time in my life and I was in my early 30s where I was like, wow, I need to go and figure that out. And this is where again, comes back to where I had my big mirror once I kind of connected all these parts, went, okay, if I today, I'm literally spending
And I know not everyone can do that because I'm like, well, I'm going to put this into my work and teach people this. So, you know, this is part of work, but play, you know, and so I'd go, okay, today I'm going to, I'm going to wear this yellow dress and I'm going to actually ask myself, what does it feel like to connect to yellow, right? Inside myself, which is
the color of openness, softness, warmth, sunshine, right? I mean, we both live in sunshine states, expansion. And so I literally, I talked to myself, I reflected to myself about what were the aspects of the color that I wanted to represent, that I wanted to own in myself, that I wanted to...
then show up as this warm, loving, kind, flowing, person. And people say, fake it till you make it, but I think it's own it rather than faking it.
Heather Shannon (27:37.197)
You
Heather Shannon (27:46.345)
Yeah, say more about that. Like what do you think is, how do you own it?
Inna Segal (27:52.45)
I think you own it but first you discover it and you start to play with that and you just go, you know, so to me it was like color was the easiest way. Firstly, I love color, but it was also the easiest way to go. I didn't really know what flavor David data talked about flavor, know, insects sensuality so spicy hot this and that. But and for some people that that makes sense more because they're into
food and that speaks that language to them. For me, it was easier with color because it has so many layers and I've written about it and I talk about it a lot and I have a lot of it in my house and I wear it and so on and so I, you know, and so I kind of went even in acting we would, we would work with, you know, like we would take
a color for instance, we'd go, how would you walk with this color? How would you, how would your voice sound if you were speaking from this color? You know, how would you, you know, it's quite interesting, right? How would you touch your hair? If you were touching your hair based on this yellow color? How would you, you know, show up to somebody else? Because it does make you feel so different. And so
Heather Shannon (29:11.576)
Yeah.
Heather Shannon (29:19.352)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (29:21.357)
You know, and so I would stand in front of the mirror wearing this yellow dress. For instance, you know, each day was a different color and different type of dress. And I would also go in terms of owning it. Okay, so what does this dress represent? What does this color represent? How does it make me feel if, if I was to move that in a way that this dress makes me feel what would be the song?
And so I would then stand there, know, sit there or whatever, and I would go through my song list and I would find the song, you know, and I would go, okay, so now I've got this song, I'm gonna dance and express myself through that color and I'm gonna give myself permission to move and dance and express myself in ways I've never done. And as I'm doing that, I'm gonna ask myself how that makes me feel.
Heather Shannon (29:55.789)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (30:18.273)
Does that make me feel strong? Does it make me feel sexy? Does it make me feel like I'm loving? Like what does it bring out inside of me? And then I might even take some time to journal about it and acknowledge it because the feminine in us needs acknowledgement. It needs to go, here I am shining and showing up and
Heather Shannon (30:39.288)
Yeah.
Heather Shannon (30:43.843)
Cut.
Inna Segal (30:45.513)
I need to be loved, I need to be seen, I need to be acknowledged. And what I found as well is that when women don't do that, this is where they get taken advantage of by people who understand this and play on it and go, okay, you're the person that has never been seen. this is when we start to look at the whole narcissism and all of that. I'll play this for you.
because that's your deepest desire. know, and whereas for the masculine, the deepest desire is to live your purpose with the feminine, deepest desire is to be seen and to be loved. You know, so the feminine is always going, you know, am I feeling the love? Like, is there, is my heart full? Is it open? Is it expansive? And so,
Heather Shannon (31:42.955)
Mm-hmm.
Inna Segal (31:44.652)
you know, often when I teach, I'll say to people, okay, with these colors, just coming back to that, and that ownership of it, because you can't own something you don't understand, and you don't practice, right and explore. And I'll go, okay, so let's go with the what are the colors you always use, you know, that you are comfortable with, where you go, you dress like this, you start looking at
Heather Shannon (32:11.64)
Yeah
Inna Segal (32:11.821)
Am I dressing in black all the time or white or gray or browns? And is this really giving me the life force and the creativity? And what are the colors that I don't really like and why? Why have I rejected them?
Heather Shannon (32:28.145)
Yeah. Everything you're saying, think also, like we're not necessarily framing it like this, but it's really teaching people to trust themselves and to like tap into their intuition. Because, you know, one thing I've noticed is that the when I'm trying to solve something in my life by making a spreadsheet and making a plan and sort of this little like analysis part comes out and this like little, you know, retentive perfectionist part comes out.
I'm realizing there's a lot of like efforting, there's a lot of sort of like striving, there's a lot of trying to like make something happen. And that's very masculine and it's probably like an imbalanced masculine. What you're describing, I think is such a nice, beautiful way to be like, what do I sense? And I see with a lot of people, but especially some women, even when I ask them questions on like my intimacy intake assessment,
Sometimes I don't even know how to answer it. Just even facing that feels overwhelming. But what you're describing is helping to heal that. Tune into yourself. How do you feel? Ask yourself the question. And at first, you might feel like, I don't know. And I think that sometimes that's blocking our intuition and our feeling. I don't know. Am I on the right track here?
Inna Segal (33:50.798)
Yeah, 100%. And I think that when you have, when you ask in terms of intuition, and the other note comes, you can, you can let it block you or you can go, wow, if I don't know, that means there is this incredible area to discover.
Heather Shannon (33:57.517)
Yeah.
Heather Shannon (34:09.505)
No.
Inna Segal (34:11.869)
Right, so you can actually turn it around and go, okay, how about I like I didn't mean I don't know what I like, I don't know what I want. Because a lot of people, whether they've, you know, if they've been through a really bad breakup, or if they've been through, they're in a very long term relationship, they've really, they often merge with their partner in some ways, and they don't know what they like or what they want, because they don't actually spend any time on it.
Heather Shannon (34:20.504)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (34:38.771)
And this is where, again, the colors within you, the creativity dies in a sense, because you're not allowing time for it, because you go, well, this is not practical, right? This is masculine. It's not practical. And it's time consuming maybe. And I feel guilty and I have so much else to do. But when you're in a relationship and you have children and you have nothing in yourself,
You're literally going on empty. And I see this constantly, constant empty, you know, it's like the feminine in you is literally screaming out because that's how you get diseases, by the way, when you're empty and you're, you know, pushing and you're using reserves and you're just not, you're not nurturing or nourishing or paying attention to yourself. And I remember it was really interesting for me for those people who are
Heather Shannon (35:12.705)
Yes. Yes.
Inna Segal (35:38.542)
in that position where they're on empty and they just don't know things. When I break up with my partner many years ago, I remember speaking to, I think she was a relationship therapist and she said to me, if you want to connect with your feminine, then you actually need to go out there and you need to spend some time with women and you need to slow down. And you need to...
just make it as a priority to go for walks, go do things. And one of the things she said that was really interesting, I never thought about this prior to that, she said, you need to actually hug or connect or there needs to be some touch involved because that touch from a woman to a woman, even though obviously not sexual in that way, but it heals you.
And I never thought about it in that way, like being held by like really being held in a loving space. And I actually remembered thinking, okay, I'm going to do that. Cause she said, you know, how would you really embrace the feminine without doing that? Cause again, we were so busy and we go out, but we, you know, most of the time we go out and we have a drink or we go out, you know, to a party, but she didn't mean that she made like go and spend time in nature together.
Heather Shannon (37:07.565)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
Inna Segal (37:08.445)
hang out, know, talk, you know, hold each other massage, give each other massages, whatever. And at the time I remember meeting, because I literally I was in a new state, I'd moved, you know, and I was like, great. So now I'm going to need to find people to connect with like this. Because actually, I know, and that's also
something that people go, well, that stops you. And it doesn't actually, if you really decide that that's important to you, because you, you know, essentially, we attract what we focus on the most. And so I found, I remember feeling you have to become friends with being uncomfortable, a little bit, you know, because whenever you change, and you're doing something new, anything that we've talked about,
Heather Shannon (37:44.645)
Mm-hmm.
Inna Segal (38:04.877)
you have to be a little bit uncomfortable. And I remember my mom, it was during COVID and my mom said to me, you know, got to get out of the house. And she was in a different state. And I said to her, well, that's nice, but it's not that easy here. And I don't know anyone. And she was like, okay, stop with the excuses. yeah, some tough love. Cause she's like,
You know, don't call me and complain again unless you've taken action.
Heather Shannon (38:39.577)
That's probably an example of healthy masculine energy with the gas.
Inna Segal (38:42.797)
Yeah, yeah, she was great. mean, I had some amazing, you know, have some amazing masculine friends as well. And they were like, anytime any negativity came out of me after this breakup, and they would go, like, I would say, Do you think I'll ever meet someone and they're like, my God, where is this coming from? Yes, you will just come back to yourself. This is not the time, you know, so it was great. I had I had
I just didn't have them in front of me. These people, were in other countries and states and so on. But my mom was like, no, you've got to get out with people there. Call, you know, she's like, well, just call people that you know. And I said to her, it's so uncomfortable because I might've met them once. So they came to my workshop, like, this is not comfortable to do that. And she was like, well, get over yourself. Just call them. You need to get out. And it was actually really good advice, I'm going to say, because
Heather Shannon (39:14.776)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (39:42.965)
Yeah, because there was parts of me that were like, well, but I'm knowing and people, you know, know me from my book and, you know, in the community, it's not like, you know, I do have to be I do have to have some discernment and awareness. But she's also right, I can make all the excuses in the world not to do that. And I remember thinking, if I ever have to say this to somebody, you know, get out of your comfort zone, I heard you say this and other stories and
be uncomfortable in going do this, well, I better do this. And you know, right? Exactly.
Heather Shannon (40:15.513)
Yeah, know. Yeah, I do the same thing. I'm like on a little vulnerability journey now where I'm like making myself uncomfortable, but I'm getting better at it. So it's getting more comfortable. But I'm like, I tell people to do this all the time, you know, I have to practice what I preach.
Inna Segal (40:31.097)
Yeah. Well, exactly. And I remember, um, I called this one lady and I was like, Oh, this is really uncomfortable to say this to you. Cause last time we met, we only met once who, you know, I was saying how great my relationship was with my, you know, the time husband and now it's not. And I, you know, I need people to spend time with basically that I, and I was like, I really liked you when we met and she was like,
Heather Shannon (40:48.995)
Thank you!
Inna Segal (40:58.861)
She was like, that's really great. Because actually, there's another woman that is not doesn't live very far from you, who I'm close friends with. And I'd love to introduce you to her. And what was really interesting about this lady was she was literally into exploring her feminine at the time. Like she was owning it from the perspective of
Heather Shannon (41:13.113)
Thanks.
Inna Segal (41:25.875)
she slowed down. So she was a nurse, and a single mom. And so we were, I'm like, well, I'm single with two kids now too. And she was saying to me that essentially she, you know, in connecting to her feminine, and I've never done this. And to me that was watching it was like, my God, wow. She completely slowed down. And so I would say to her, okay, so what did you do?
Heather Shannon (41:35.064)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (41:55.854)
today and she would go, well, I lay next to the pool, I connected to my heart. I was allowing, you know, I was really resting and I was allowing the sunlight to enter into my heart. And I was moving that energy through my body. And then I had my journal and I had, you know, my juice.
Heather Shannon (42:19.557)
huh.
Inna Segal (42:20.269)
We'd go and get juices together from the market. It's like I had my juice and I was just in bliss and I was just resting. was just, you know, I was just really connecting. I was slowing down. I was allowing my creativity to come in and you know, she would tell me all these things and she would also, I think her and this other lady had this music. And I think music is so, so important.
for reconnecting to yourself, especially your feminine. And she had this album from this lady, Fia. And I absolutely love Fia, I'm gonna say, because it is, there's a spiritual element there, but it's also so much about self love. know, FIA, yeah, she's amazing. Yeah, European singer that is just...
Heather Shannon (43:08.466)
This is just FIA. I've never heard of this person. Has anyone else left this person up FIA?
Inna Segal (43:18.667)
You know, so they introduced me to this and I was like, wow, you know, especially after trauma or breakup, you really need to work on self love. And I was like, so when I would, you know, I would wake up and I would go into, know, I would connect to my heart and I would go, okay, where are you at? What are you feeling?
And I would literally, you know, I mentioned archetypes at one point, I'd literally go, so if I could imagine the feminine inside of me, the feminine archetype, what would this part look like? Like if I could see her, what does she, you know, how does she see, feel, see things in life? How does she stand? How does she, you know, what's the feeling?
Heather Shannon (43:49.005)
Mm-hmm.
Heather Shannon (44:12.065)
Yeah, I like that curiosity. Yeah.
Inna Segal (44:15.061)
Yeah. And at the beginning when I was tuning into this, or when I was asking that question, and I was trying to visualize this part of, you know, what is the feminine me, she would look down and she would be sad and heavy. And I was like, okay, right, you know, rejected, whatever traumatized through this, these emptiness and painful breakup and so on. And so I'd go, okay, really interesting.
Heather Shannon (44:36.377)
Hmm.
Inna Segal (44:44.437)
we're going to how we're going to get this part to feel alive and be creative again and be and love life. Like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna do several things. And one of them I'm start with, you know, I always wake up, I do my meditation. And then I was like, okay, when I go to the shower, I'm going to start my day with a song and it was fear usually.
because he really spoke to me. And so as I'm in the shower, I'm allowing myself, you know, to move a little bit, to feel the water, to cleanse, to listen to this really positive song about, I mean, she's got many, about self-love or self-care and, you know, opening myself to new adventures and opportunities. And it was, you know, amazing as I would, you know, do that in the shower and,
At times I would go into, my God, but I feel, because my ex-husband was pretty nasty when we separated. And I would feel like, you know, after giving so much to him, why did I deserve this? know, and like this whole victim thing would show up. And I don't stay in victim for very long. I'm just another person, but I recognize it. And I would go, okay, so.
Heather Shannon (46:04.14)
Yeah
Yeah
Inna Segal (46:11.709)
let's hold on what is it that made me do that and so one of the things I found that's very very important is that we it's not just women we as people when we fall in love with somebody we give ourselves away you know we give our heart away we give ourselves away and we're kind of based on the fact that most of us grew up with romantic movies or
romantic comedies or books. And it's always like, oh my God, he's, know, if you're a woman, he's a bad boy that's, you know, ends up being good and loving you and passion and so on. I mean, this is the storyline for so many. And it's like, as long as you feel love, what if we, you cause we have this fear, what if we never feel love? What if we never feel that amazing sexual connection and crazy, intense feelings of passion? And we have fear.
Heather Shannon (46:41.891)
Yes.
Heather Shannon (47:00.142)
Right.
Inna Segal (47:09.729)
you know, that it may not happen to me. And so when we meet somebody and there is that attraction and there, you know, and connection, we often go, I'm going to throw my heart away because at least it's bad. And I used to think like this, it's better to feel this than not to feel it. So even if I, if he breaks my heart, at least I felt love.
Heather Shannon (47:31.575)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (47:37.044)
So I'm just gonna give myself away. I'm gonna give my heart away. And I think as you get older, you go, that hurts. Like that's painful when you do that. Right? So you start going, yeah, I may not do that in that way, but what does it mean not to do that? And so as I was asking myself, and often this happened for me in the shower, I don't know why, it's like, okay, I must.
Heather Shannon (48:01.11)
Okay. I think there's something very feminine about water and the flowing of the water. I certainly find that and that's part of why I live by the ocean.
Inna Segal (48:06.689)
Yeah, yeah.
Inna Segal (48:11.917)
Well, yeah, I love those. Absolutely. There's that feminine aspect and I would, I would go, hold on. What is the wisdom? Okay. I've had heartbreak and I remember thinking through with, with Mike's husband where I met him. He told me how badly he treated women. And in my mind, I went, Oh, but not me. Cause I'm so special. Cause you know, I'm so
Heather Shannon (48:40.568)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (48:40.653)
I have these abilities and I'm this and I can help him and you know, and.
Heather Shannon (48:46.259)
Because we all want to feel special, right? So I think we do tell ourselves.
Inna Segal (48:48.853)
Exactly. Exactly. And so it was like, he's not gonna do it to me. And, and I remember that because the feminine is the part of you that slows down, right? And in me, it was like, my god, I feel this attraction, and he's so attractive. And, you know, I'm in this type of thing, as opposed to hold on my heart.
Heather Shannon (49:02.094)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (49:16.845)
is something I need to nurture because when it breaks, it's not that easy to put it back together, so to speak. I'm going to, and if I really embrace this feminine and healthy way, I'm not giving myself away again. And it was this amazing wisdom and insights that were coming around this exploration. And I remember in that particular time, I got out of the shower and I put on another song, cause I have all this, you know.
artists and songs and it was all about embracing the feminine. was literally, you know, and the wise feminine, there was also loving and sensual and so on. And as I was, it was a very long song. was like seven minutes long. And I was standing there, you know, and I remember I put on this really flowing dress.
And so I could feel it, right? As women, we need to feel, we need to feel that through the color, through the material, through how it feels on our skin and looks. And I was taking steps forward and it was like, I am now stepping into the wise part of myself that is still central and sexy, but the part of me that is not going to give myself away. The part of me that
is now really going to value myself because I am valuable. And we don't, again, we're not taught that we don't think in that way. And I remember as I was kind of dancing and taking steps forward, with every step I was like, okay, I'm stepping into, and the words of the song is woman, claim your power and all of this stuff. And it was like, yes, I am literally claiming this.
Heather Shannon (50:53.422)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (51:11.423)
into myself and I'm going to, I'm going to say the other thing for women is that when you haven't had examples, like I didn't feel that I had, I love my mom, but she was not an example of the feminine that I wanted to follow. So then, you know, again, you can say, don't know, or you can go, okay, where are these examples and how can I find them? And
Heather Shannon (51:25.209)
Hmm.
Heather Shannon (51:37.326)
Yes.
Inna Segal (51:37.442)
that could be through movie you watch that could be through somebody having, you know, a podcast, you know, watching somebody on YouTube reading a book from somewhere, they don't even have to be the person in front of you. And you, you can really start to look at the qualities and so and write them down and actually go like for me was grace.
Heather Shannon (51:46.041)
That's right.
Inna Segal (52:07.401)
It was the wisdom, was allowing myself to have more time to be, to enjoy things that have nothing to do with work, to have days where I'm like, I just don't know what I'm gonna do. Let's just be creative. Let me just discover it, to do things that were just for me, that were just nurturing, just to go to...
we had these ecstatic dance groups where, you didn't have any alcohol cause I'm not a a big fan of alcohol. So I would go to these groups and I remember one time, you know, as I was really working on these qualities, like in myself, which were grace to be more open, to be more fun, you know, cause I realized I lost my sense of fun with my ex husband.
Heather Shannon (52:43.607)
Mm-hmm.
Inna Segal (53:07.287)
I remember this man came up to me and he said, my God, you're so graceful. That's the word that I got for you. Right. And I remember thinking, remember thinking, okay, if somebody, man saying this to me is like, are seeing this and it's like, yeah, right. You're embodying it and people do see it.
Heather Shannon (53:12.825)
Thank you guys!
Blink!
Heather Shannon (53:26.263)
Yeah.
Yes, that's so cool
Yes!
Inna Segal (53:35.006)
And then when I met my partner, now he was like, you're so, I remember I was like, want to, I want somebody to say that I'm bubbly. Like I want them to go, Hey, you're so bubbly, you say this, because that's not how I was feeling for a long time. Cause again, I'm going to know that that's, that's a part of me that I'm developing. And I remember when I met my partner, he was like, I just love your bubbly energy. And I was like, well, that's not natural. Like, I mean, it is, but it's
Heather Shannon (53:59.802)
Wow. It probably is, yeah. Yeah.
Inna Segal (54:04.423)
it was impressed. You know, and I want to say also, how do you you know, coming back to that also question, how do you own it? So I have this I like creating tools for people. So I have books that I've written and you know, like the secret language of your body about your health and looking including sexuality and all the things that can go wrong with you know, like, and how you can reconnect. But
when you went when it comes to reclaiming and owning parts of yourself that because of being a mother or father or being in a you having heartbreak or just difficulties in life you lost. So I you know I created this card deck. But for me originally the idea and it's a completely different idea to anything else I've done in that way. I kind of went
All right, so if my heart is broken, how do I reclaim it? Like how do I, but not just reclaim it, I wanna get wisdom from it, but I wanna know it in ways that I've never known it before. And so I made this decision and I thought every day I'm gonna give myself, let's say half an hour.
I'm going to connect to my heart. I'm going to place my hands on my heart. I'm going to breathe into it. I'm going to ask what's missing. Like what is the part that's missing? And especially because it is so connected to that all the colors and all the flavors and I'm going to write a letter to myself and it's going to be raw. Like it's not going to be one of those lovey-dovey on the surface types of things.
Heather Shannon (55:54.487)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (55:56.63)
it's gonna be like, hey, I, you know, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry that I have ignored, let's say my intuition for so long. And it started with something like, dear heart, dear heart, I'm so sorry that, you know, you were trying to give me intuitive wisdom and insights and I just completely ignored you.
Heather Shannon (56:12.565)
You
Inna Segal (56:24.851)
Ignore everything you've said and I know that I've hurt you by doing that and I've hurt myself and I wanna work with you and I wanna reconnect with you now and I want you to start showing me the intuitive aspects that I've numbed because I am ready and willing to start to transform my life in this way.
Heather Shannon (56:45.314)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (56:51.693)
And then, you know, and I would sit with it and sometimes I would again, put on some songs and allow myself to feel and, you know, and to cry or sometimes it just be this sense of, okay, wow, I'm bringing something back into myself. I'm, cause you've got to start with acknowledgement. And then I would do, you know, I would kind of, I would do something loving, like I would rub my hands together and I would do a little process where
Heather Shannon (57:06.84)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (57:19.819)
I'd place my hands slightly apart, let's say 10 centimeters, and I would go, okay, what would be healing color? And let's say it's green, and green is amazing for the nervous system as well. Because whenever you're not feeling good, your nervous system is also a little bit out of whack, let's call it. And so I would go, okay, I've got this green, and I'm gonna play with my hands with this green light.
And I know green is about healing and it's about reclaiming, you know, parts of your heart and especially when there's being hurt. And green is also really great for the nervous system. So I would focus on, you know, going, I actually, I care about myself. I do, you know, I value myself. And so I'd have these thoughts and then I would,
send that color through my hands into my heart as I'm breathing it in. So it's like I'm giving self love to myself and I leave my hands on my heart. And then as I'm breathing kind of that, that, that energy in and I'm feeling green going into my heart and healing it, I would then also focus on my nervous system and in particular the
Heather Shannon (58:28.352)
Yeah!
Inna Segal (58:46.125)
you know, my back and my spine and I would sense as this, it would be like a rain of green light going into my nervous system and just, and I just move my body a little bit. Cause as you're letting go of stress and that tension, you can start to just move a little bit. And it would be that focus on receiving, also letting go of, you know, of what
I needed to let go of, you know, and I would do these types of kind of self-love practices daily for, I think for several months. And it was so, so, so helpful. It was, you know, such a important part. And then,
Heather Shannon (59:18.391)
Okay, so if you're...
Inna Segal (59:42.536)
several years after I remember, you know, once I was with, with Matt, with my present partner, to him, Hey, can I read you something that I did to help myself and tell me what you think about it? And he's very, he's very masculine as a, as a person, but he has that huge heart. And so when he, if he's touched, he'll get teary.
And so then I know if what I've written is good or not. If I want to touch someone, right? So he's like my barometer. And I said to I read you a few things. And I was reading him these cards, like this, what I wrote to myself and I said to him, I feel like, you know, I'm wondering if, like, it's so personal and raw, but I'm wondering if that's what I need to share with people. And...
you know, I read him too, and he was really tearing. He's like, Oh my God, that is cool. He's like, you have to, yes, you have to create. You know, he doesn't always say that he's very honest as well. He doesn't like something he's like, no. And so, and so I was like, I think I'm going to create a card deck on, you know, how to heal yourself.
Heather Shannon (01:00:41.913)
Heather Shannon (01:00:45.623)
winner.
Inna Segal (01:01:07.255)
for heal your heart. And so I have this heal your heart oracles, which, and it was all about, we have an adventurous heart and we have a joyful heart. And then we have rejected heart and we have a sad heart and we have a grieving heart and we have a loving heart and we have a sexual heart and we have a sensual and like all of these pieces of the heart.
that we need to reclaim and I have to say this card deck is doing very very well.
Heather Shannon (01:01:39.193)
That's awesome. That's a unique one. Yeah, there's a lot of different card decks, but to have so many dimensions of the heart specifically is unique.
Inna Segal (01:01:49.538)
Yeah, and it's all about actually going, all right, what do I relate to? how can I, how do I work with this and reclaim? And I really encourage people to write love letters to their own hearts, as a way of going, again, reclaiming sensuality, reclaiming love, reclaiming femininity and masculinity, reclaiming yourself, your self-confidence, your...
Heather Shannon (01:02:03.853)
Thank you.
Heather Shannon (01:02:11.086)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (01:02:18.605)
you know, love for your own body. Because again, you know, when you love your body, it's a lot easier to lose weight. It's a lot easier to look after yourself. It's a lot easier to, you know, to feel good inside the body, even if it's not perfect how it may have been when you were 20 or, you know, or even if you're 20 and it's not how you want it to be. Yet, when you
love it, you it's so much easier to go and exercise, it's so much easier to find the right exercise for you. It's so much easier to then work with something that you go, hey, I love you. So much easier to find colors to dress it, you know, it's all of it.
Heather Shannon (01:03:06.989)
Yeah. Because you're in tune with the energy instead of rejecting it, which I think is really lovely. So thank you for sharing so much wisdom with us today and so much of your own personal journey. I really appreciate it. And I'm sure that people listening do too. I think we really got into the feminine energy in so many different ways to nurture and foster that.
Inna Segal (01:03:15.297)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (01:03:33.357)
Yeah, you know, and I just hope people do you know, see that as something really fun to bring into their life, you know, such a really fun thing to explore.
Heather Shannon (01:03:46.402)
It is. sometimes I think we are like, it's fun. I don't have time for fun. think a lot of burned out people think that way. But not only is it fun, but it's important. And it will calm your nervous system. And it may open up new doors for you and new insights and important opportunities as well.
Inna Segal (01:03:51.223)
Ha ha ha!
Inna Segal (01:04:03.721)
it will make your relationship so much more spicy in that sense and so much more you know it's like
Heather Shannon (01:04:08.249)
Yes!
You're gonna bring more polarity into your life. If you and your partner are both kind of just bringing the same vibes, that's gonna be a little flat.
Inna Segal (01:04:21.697)
Yeah. And, and, and like I was saying, you know, you, you can, it's so easy to get bored with each other. And then the minute you're bored with each other is no sexual vibe, right? So it's like, actually bringing things and it opens the more you explore it, I'm going to say it also opens the masculine, which is doing things and getting things done. just want to say that when I was really like, when my partner was away and I was really exploring the feminine.
Heather Shannon (01:04:31.767)
Yes, totally.
Inna Segal (01:04:50.637)
At the same time, I remember he was struggling because his dad wasn't well and you know, was dying essentially when he was in the UK and you know, and I remember thinking to myself, okay, there's things that he does in terms of our business, like marketing and stuff that I don't like doing and I don't do. And I just go, you know, like, I don't like it, I don't do it. And I remember thinking to myself,
Heather Shannon (01:05:13.963)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (01:05:20.629)
What if I, you know, as I'm exploring all these different colors while he's away, and I had all this time, what if I actually let go of the idea that I don't like it? And I just listened to, you know, to, I don't know, something new, a new course. And I said to him, can you buy me this course? And he's like, on marketing. And he said, Really, you're gonna listen to this? And I was like, yeah.
And it was painful, I'm gonna say. It was painful in the sense of where I had so much resistance, I had to really convince myself, like only half an hour, only half an hour of this. I, you know, but I made the time to listen to half an hour and made notes, and then the next day, half an hour and so on. And I said to him, hey, I'm really excited about this new, actually I have new ideas and new possibilities and opportunities.
Heather Shannon (01:05:51.417)
Who's on it?
Heather Shannon (01:06:10.513)
No.
Inna Segal (01:06:18.433)
And he came back to me and he said, that is so sexy. Cause I didn't think it was sexy at all for me to do something like that. But he said, that's so sexy because it's like, I know how much you don't like this, but it's like, I'm seeing you in a new way because you're, you're really stepping up and you're, you're making, you're changing my perception and that really
Heather Shannon (01:06:25.692)
that's interesting.
Heather Shannon (01:06:38.242)
Yeah!
Inna Segal (01:06:46.581)
Yeah, he's like, I feel super attracted to you right now because I feel like you've done something.
Heather Shannon (01:06:51.994)
Well, you're being so capable. He was like, you can do anything. That's hot. He's probably like, wow, you go. You don't even like this shit. Look at you coming up with these ideas. That's cool.
Inna Segal (01:06:57.067)
Yeah. Yeah.
Inna Segal (01:07:01.965)
Yeah, you know. So that's what I'm saying too. It's like, as it is also very practical, as you start to, and it's enjoyable, because you, you know, you go, Oh my God, I'm enjoying this. And you allow yourself then you start to bond with your partner in a new way, have new conversations, you have new ideas, you know, and they go, Oh, I've never seen this side of you.
Heather Shannon (01:07:10.746)
Mm-hmm.
Heather Shannon (01:07:14.392)
Yes.
Heather Shannon (01:07:18.233)
Yes.
Inna Segal (01:07:30.51)
I don't want to look outside for somebody else who has a different energy. It's like, give me more of you because you're, you know, it's like I'm craving you now because you're giving me all these, you know, aspects that I knew. And I really think that the more color you have internally, the more flavor, the more creativity, the less likely you are want to get bored with yourself, right? Cause that's really important.
Heather Shannon (01:07:57.327)
Yes. Yes.
Inna Segal (01:07:58.978)
the more likely you to value yourself and the less likely your partner is to ever get bored with you.
Heather Shannon (01:08:06.03)
Yes. And I think that's so important that like, you can, you can lean into this feminine energy and have fun doing it and bring out other sides of yourself. And sometimes I think it's like, we have to allow ourselves to have that much fun and enjoyment and goodness. And that's sometimes the work. Yeah. This is so great. Thank you so much for being here. And people are like, Ooh, I want more of what this lady is offering. Where can they find you?
Inna Segal (01:08:24.397)
Yeah.
Inna Segal (01:08:34.957)
They can go to my website which is innerseagull.com, I double N A S E G A L dot com. And in particular, if you're like, I want to learn some of these techniques and some of how do you connect to yourself? How do you connect to your heart, to your body, to love your body more, to have a relationship with it and communication.
Heather Shannon (01:08:35.48)
Thank
Inna Segal (01:09:01.899)
and you can see that it could be fun. Then I have a lot of master classes, which are kind of like mini workshops when I teach them and they go between three and four hours long, because I give you processes in, know, like I've talked about quite a few different processes. But in these master classes, you get to have a process, let's say of awakening your intuitive self. So there's one
that's that's literally I mean, you can just go in a seagull.com forward slash masterclass and this particular one I talked a lot about archetypes and how you know, I say about the feminine here but in there I talk about a few different ones. And I also one of them is intuitive is the intuitive part of you. And we actually do this process where we connect to, you know, what would be
this intuitive part of me and how do I connect and get into my body more and how do I work with color? Like I've spoken about and what does it say to me? And then there is also, and then I think we do a process also on, you know, how do you sabotage yourself and how do you, how can you stop sabotaging and start to, cause the opposite of saboteur, the saboteur actually is the part that lives in the heart.
But the opposite of it, because you know, we get rejected and we get hurt. And so then we self protect and we push people away. And that's how we often sabotage or push opportunities away. But on the other side, it is the wise guy that guides you in your life. you know, and so anyway, there's a lot of amazing insights. And I will say to people, make sure you have a journal, make sure you connect all the pieces together and
You know, it just becomes a journey of healing and excitement. And at the moment it's, we just want people to, to have access to discovering this for free. And, you know, and then if you want to go deeper, obviously there's other courses that you can do, but it is an opportunity in the future. It may, you know, be a little like have a little cost to it, but at the moment that's where we're at in encouraging.
Heather Shannon (01:11:27.31)
Yes, we'll take advantage people. We'll link to your website in the show notes too so people can find it easily. But yeah, that's amazing.
Inna Segal (01:11:30.571)
Yeah, it's really like...
Inna Segal (01:11:36.941)
Thank you.
Heather Shannon (01:11:40.059)
Thank you for being here, and thank you everyone for listening. Tune back in next week for another episode of Ask a Sex Therapist. Bye, everybody. All right.