We need to talk about vibecoding, because for
Speaker:2025, this was the word of the year.
Speaker:And I have to tell you, I'm not here for it.
Speaker:Hey, I'm Holly Christie. I am the host of this
Speaker:podcast, Websites Made Simple. I'm a website designer.
Speaker:I am a website designer and developer's mentor as well.
Speaker:And I am here to help you to have a career that
Speaker:you actually absolutely love without being run into the ground.
Speaker:So let's get started.
Speaker:I was at a conference the other day and I was sitting next
Speaker:to someone and it wasn't a web designers conference because they don't really exist,
Speaker:do they? We can change that one day. So I was at this conference and
Speaker:the person next to me was talking to the person next to her and
Speaker:she said, oh, well, this is no problem, I can vibe code it.
Speaker:Now, this person is no way any form of website designer
Speaker:or developer or anything like that. And the person next to her said,
Speaker:what's vibe coding? It's just AI code. You can throw into
Speaker:Gemini or Claude and it'll build you a website.
Speaker:And after I'd been a little bit sick in my mouth because this just
Speaker:so shouldn't be a thing, the person next to her didn't look impressed
Speaker:either. But I thought this conference full of other business people is
Speaker:not placed to address this. But lucky for you, this
Speaker:podcast is, as I've said, vibe coding, where we get AI
Speaker:to code the website. And there are a lot of
Speaker:vibe coded websites out there this year because there are
Speaker:a lot of people who are thinking, we don't want to
Speaker:pay for a website, we don't value the website design. I
Speaker:don't think that people actually think I don't value using a website
Speaker:designer. But it can be a little bit like the
Speaker:difference between when you use a decorator to decorate your
Speaker:house or you choose to paint it yourself, you never going to do as
Speaker:good job as the decorator does. And vibe coding
Speaker:is just like that. And I don't know
Speaker:whether you've come across many Vibe coded
Speaker:websites or even parts of websites. I
Speaker:will have clients come to me in a little bit of a panic and say,
Speaker:I had wanted something to work
Speaker:in a blog post or on a page I'm doing. So I took it to
Speaker:AI to get the code for it and I put that code in there and
Speaker:it's not working. There are so
Speaker:many kind of good examples where you can take this to ChatGPT and you
Speaker:can say, could you code this thing for me? And chat says, yeah, of Course
Speaker:I can. Here you go, here's the code. And you put it in and it
Speaker:doesn't work. And you say to chat, yeah, that code didn't work. And then
Speaker:chat's like, yes, of course it didn't work, it's missing this. And so you say,
Speaker:okay, can you code it again? And let's do it again and you can go
Speaker:back forth, back forth, back forth. And all you're going to end up doing is
Speaker:just wasting everybody's time. There are times when
Speaker:we. I suppose I wouldn't really think of it as vibe coding, but there are
Speaker:times where we will use AI within websites. And you'll see lots of
Speaker:the website builders now do have AI built into them
Speaker:or AI options. And these can be great tools
Speaker:for making something very, very quick. So I'm old school, I
Speaker:will still look if something's gone wrong with the website, I will be sit there
Speaker:looking at the code, I will be looking for the anomalies, I'll be
Speaker:turning off plugins, I'll be testing this, I'll be testing that. And
Speaker:sometimes it's much easier to say to chat or Claude or
Speaker:Gemini or whatever you're using. Can you debug this for me?
Speaker:This is a great way of speeding up stuff when it
Speaker:comes to websites. We're not using it for the build, we're not
Speaker:asking it to generate reams and reams and reams of code. We're just saying, can
Speaker:you look at what's already there and tell me what's not working?
Speaker:Sometimes it's going to be able to do it, sometimes it's not. And I think
Speaker:when it comes to using AI in web design, it's about
Speaker:using it for the times where it's going to be really effective
Speaker:and not using it
Speaker:necessarily for the front line of stuff, because that's
Speaker:really where the role of the designer or
Speaker:the developer comes in. Because even though these
Speaker:AI models are built on so much research
Speaker:and so much understanding and they're coming from
Speaker:tools like, you know, Gemini is owned by Google, and Google are the ones who
Speaker:tells us really what they want the user journeys of websites to look like
Speaker:and all that sort of thing, Vibe coding just doesn't
Speaker:take into account user journeys. So it might say, like, make this look
Speaker:really cool or make this happen or whatever else, but it doesn't
Speaker:do that role of guiding the user through the website
Speaker:in the way that I'm gonna say still needs a human touch.
Speaker:Again, it's like if you get one of the chatgpts
Speaker:or you know, whatever it is to write the website copy, it's
Speaker:gonna be well structured. Although if you've been working
Speaker:with AI generated copy, you'll generally see that it
Speaker:is not structured into SEO
Speaker:friendly structure, which I just always find crazy. It just says
Speaker:like, here's the heading for this and here's the heading for that. But it's not
Speaker:actually saying, use this as a heading one, use this as a heading two, put
Speaker:your call to action in there. It still takes that experience.
Speaker:And this is why I
Speaker:really want to reassure you that I don't think that you should be
Speaker:worried about vibe coding. Whether it's the word of
Speaker:the year or not. I just don't think you need to worry about it because
Speaker:the people who value their website
Speaker:and the journey that it's going to take their users on and the
Speaker:experience they're going to have, which is going to take them all the way through
Speaker:to buying the products, the service engaging with you
Speaker:is the stuff that's still really going to come through from human design,
Speaker:human written content. And you know, don't get me wrong, I do get AI
Speaker:to help me with writing my content. Naturally, if you are
Speaker:signed up to my newsletters, then you will probably have
Speaker:experienced some of that because I will kind of format the story
Speaker:of what I want to say in the newsletter and I'll take it to ChatGPT,
Speaker:who knows me quite well these days and say, you know, can we make this
Speaker:really palatable? And I want it to have this vibe and it's really
Speaker:good at doing that.
Speaker:I like to keep AI on the more kind of periphery
Speaker:parts of my business. I feel like the websites are the products that
Speaker:I am handing over to people and I want
Speaker:those to be robust. I want them to be fully
Speaker:tested. I also like using page builders for websites
Speaker:because I want the website to be something that the client
Speaker:can use once I've handed it over. I've talked before about
Speaker:having really good website practices and it is not
Speaker:good practice to not give your clients an admin login, to
Speaker:not give them the site without them being able to handle it.
Speaker:And page builders, yeah, which have been around forever now, like people
Speaker:can be real purists about them and say, oh well, I only Recommend Using
Speaker:a WordPress framework with ACF or something like that,
Speaker:which is fine. But I do think in this day and age, especially
Speaker:when business can be quite hard won anyway,
Speaker:it's quite important that owners of their websites can use their
Speaker:sites and if the site has been vibe coded, then they can't do
Speaker:that. The other thing that I've seen quite a lot of this
Speaker:year, and I even had happen this morning, is
Speaker:web designers who get in touch with me for mentoring and say
Speaker:they've just published a website, or they're just about to publish the website
Speaker:and the client has a crisis of confidence.
Speaker:If you have had this or you're going through this,
Speaker:feel free to get in touch with me because I know how much it can
Speaker:knock your confidence to have someone say, I'm not sure that this is the best
Speaker:it can be, or we've now published the site. I've
Speaker:had other people look at it and this is their feedback. It's really
Speaker:hard because people can absolutely tear people apart and
Speaker:tear the websites apart, whether they mean to
Speaker:do it or whether they're doing it to try and get new business or whatever
Speaker:else, it can just chip away at your confidence. If you
Speaker:have done the website and built it by human
Speaker:design, let's call it that, you've done it yourself, then
Speaker:we can look at that website together and say, right, how can we strengthen
Speaker:this to help the client feel really secure within it? When you're
Speaker:vibe coding it, you can't do that because you're just taking AI's idea
Speaker:of what a website should look like and you're just chucking that
Speaker:into the databases. Just, it's not going to be
Speaker:a thing. The main thing I would say is don't feel
Speaker:threatened. Keep being absolutely brilliant
Speaker:at what you do best, which hopefully, if you're listening to this podcast, is
Speaker:websites. I'm not saying that vibe coding is going
Speaker:to pass, but I do think that people who are using
Speaker:vibe coding to build websites may end up coming in
Speaker:for, you know, I have my website clinic appointments where
Speaker:we work on website design together. Or they might look at doing
Speaker:a more extensive website course and
Speaker:they would definitely want to look at doing an SEO course there as
Speaker:well. So don't feel threatened, just keep being
Speaker:brilliant at what you're doing. If you have a vibe coding story,
Speaker:I would absolutely love to hear it and to
Speaker:get in touch and let me know. You can find me at
Speaker:helloebsitesmadesimple.co.uk, you can find
Speaker:me on LinkedIn as Hollysim. See Christie and
Speaker:on the website, the hello at Websites
Speaker:Made Simple. If you'd rather leave a voice note, I love a good voice note,
Speaker:visit the podcast page. You will see that there is a form there.
Speaker:Right, until next time, happy designing and see
Speaker:you again.