Lane Kennedy (00:00)
April of 2025, I was knocked out.
with dysautonomia and then later found out Epstein-Barr virus had come back on board. So it's taken me out of my life and it's taken me out of my routines and I haven't worked out in eight months And so I think, you know, I'm in this kind of cycle of like I do a little thing and then I get better for a minute and then I revert back. And I've been off peptides for most of this time because I just don't know what's...
gonna get things better or get things well. And so I am like, I'm hopeful, but then I'm also like, I don't know.
Jason Kidman (00:41)
We're Jason and Lane, two humans obsessed with helping you feel better, live longer, and simplify the science of health. Between us, we've spent years in the worlds of peptides, DNA, mindfulness, and wellness biohacking. But we believe real health isn't about perfection or protocols. It's about understanding your body and giving it what it needs. Inside Omega is where we decode the science, get real about the struggle,
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Lane Kennedy (01:15)
Amazing. Welcome to the show.
Jason Kidman (01:17)
Practice makes perfect.
Lane Kennedy (01:18)
Yeah, so here we are, another episode. Thanks for listening and hanging out with us. I'm excited about this episode, Jason. I'm nervous. I'm nervous, actually.
Jason Kidman (01:24)
You should?
Why are you nervous?
Lane Kennedy (01:29)
think I'm nervous because there's this idea around hope, right? I've been a biohacker for so long and I've done so many different things and I used peptides for three years and then I went off of them, right? And so because of my health situation and the health situation that I'm talking or referring to is back in, when was that? April of 2025, I was knocked out.
with dysautonomia and then later found out Epstein-Barr virus had come back on board. So it's taken me out of my life and it's taken me out of my routines and I haven't worked out in eight months and it just kind of feels weird. And so I think, you know, I'm in this kind of cycle of like I do a little thing and then I get better for a minute and then I revert back. And I've been off peptides for most of this time because I just don't know what's...
gonna get things better or get things well. And so I am like, I'm hopeful, but then I'm also like, I don't know. I'm hopeful though, because you're the pad Thai, like you know, you've gone through your own health challenges, right? I've watched you go through that. You've helped so many people.
So here I am, I'm a guinea pig for you.
Jason Kidman (02:39)
Well, Lane, think that I think it'd be interesting for people to know a little bit more about the Epstein barr because one thing I know is I'm not a doctor and I'm an expert in infectious disease or anything. But I do know that I think most people have Epstein barr you know, in their blood, right? But it's kept in check by their body's immune system.
So would you mind sharing with us what approximately your lab markers are in that and why it could be so debilitating?
Lane Kennedy (03:14)
I can.
Jason Kidman (03:15)
even a rough guess, a the rough number.
Lane Kennedy (03:17)
Yeah, so, okay, you're supposed to be under 20. Under 20 is like where people are living when they have it in their body. When I was struck with this, my numbers were up at 800. Since then, I have been able to, through lifestyle, nutrition, really kind of a lot of sleep and managing it.
I think my numbers are now, I want to say 283 hundred, which is still high.
which is still debilitating on some days. The fatigue, like just walking up my block, you know, and I have those two hounds that I have to walk every day and that becomes a little overwhelming for my whole system. And then I can't walk a few days because of that. So this idea of like, wow, if I could bring the peptides back on board and really be disciplined around it,
and then having the energy, ⁓ that just sounds delightful. It just sounds delightful. But I would love to get that number, you know, under the hundred mark, you know, like, wouldn't that be, I'd just be like, yes. And I'm really grateful because like I know about my DNA, right? I know about my detoxification pathways. I know about the genes that are kind of up against me. So the average, the average person doesn't have
Jason Kidman (04:13)
Mm hmm.
Lane Kennedy (04:35)
the background that I do to support that. My doctors didn't even know that. So I've been doing kind of wild things around detoxification that my doctor didn't tell me to do to kind of get that number down. My doctor's like, wow, you're doing really well. I'm like, God, I feel like I'm dying still.
Jason Kidman (04:50)
So.
Well, how many of that patient base is willing to do all those things even if they knew, right?
Lane Kennedy (04:59)
You know what though? This is a horrible feeling. I don't know why people wouldn't want to do it. I mean, I get it. It is hard. It does take a matter of discipline. It does. It does.
Jason Kidman (05:03)
Yeah.
But everybody wants a silver bullet. They want a quick fix.
Lane Kennedy (05:14)
And I think that is why I went off the peptides because I wanted to see where my body was at, the resilience that it had. I believe that there is an innate intelligence within our body that can heal if allowed. And so that's, you know, I really was like, okay, I'm gonna go off the peptides to see where my body goes. But now I'm like, okay, I wanna work out again. My vanity is starting to come up.
Jason Kidman (05:37)
Well,
what you're describing to though, like is very similar to somebody, somebody who has pretty debilitating Lyme, you know, that lack of energy, you know, not even able to go for a walk. ⁓ so I mean, that's, that must be really hard. Somebody who's gone through that through Lyme myself, but
Lane Kennedy (05:49)
Yeah, it's very similar.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (05:58)
I think that when we've talked just recently about this and you wanting to talk more about maybe introducing peptides, I think I shared with you the protocol that my doctor made for me. And it was very aggressive on the pharmaceutical side to like to get that stuff out in the mold, right? And then in a lot of these, the top tier functional medicine doctors,
Lane Kennedy (06:10)
Yes.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (06:24)
If you have mold and Lyme, usually, if you can just take care of the mold, your body can handle the Lyme, right? So I did do the SOT treatment. That's where they draw your blood, send it to grease, make an antidote, come back. You know, that is for a specific variance of Lyme, but that's not going to take care of the mold.
Lane Kennedy (06:38)
enough
amazing.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (06:50)
And so, it was after that, was months after that, my mold levels were still really high and the doctor, you know, Dr. Mortenson, love that guy, he's awesome. You know, he put together this plan that was five, six pages long and just the brilliance of utilizing peptides as inflammation support and immunity support along with, of course, vitamin C, of course, glutathione.
Lane Kennedy (07:03)
Mm-hmm.
Thank
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (07:16)
Of course,
curcumin, all the good things, of course fish oil, right? But nothing is gonna be as powerful in these other realms as peptides in my belief. And he was, that's what he believed too. So it's kind of neat to be paired up with a physician like that. And now in your case, like let's see what immunity benefits
Lane Kennedy (07:20)
Right.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (07:40)
we can bring from my experience into what you're dealing with, because you're doing everything else right. You I mean, you got to believe.
Lane Kennedy (07:43)
Mm-hmm.
Everything. Like, I naturally do better on fish, right? Like my DNA, I need to eat more Mediterranean style. And before this, you know, I would eat fish maybe once a week. Now it's like three, four times a week I'm eating it. It's in my diet, right? Like I'm doing all the things.
It's exhausting. I do want the magic. I want the magic bullet.
Jason Kidman (08:09)
Yeah. Yeah.
That's kind of where my mind went as soon you said exhausting. Everybody wants that magic bullet, right?
Lane Kennedy (08:16)
Yeah, and I get it. mean,
it's a lot. It's a lot to manage when you have life on top of it. Right? You have kids or you have animals, you have parents, right? Like just all the things that we humans kind of are dealing with in today's world and culture. It's like, wow. It's like you need it's care. It's like full time just to take care of yourself.
Jason Kidman (08:35)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So what do we want to do? We want to tackle a protocol for you today.
Lane Kennedy (08:47)
I think that would be exciting because it would give me a plan because I've worked with peptides. I I started using them several years back and I was just haphazardly doing A and B and C and BPC and like whatever. And there was never really a plan around it. MOTS-c, like my body loved MOTS-c and then everybody was like, why you using MOTS-c? And I'm like, well, because I thought I was supposed to.
Jason Kidman (09:02)
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (09:11)
Like I was just being the true biohacker. So there was never really a plan. I got great results, but I also like maybe I pushed the envelope too much. I don't know. So now like having a plan, having a practitioner, like a document, I'm all about it. I'm all about it.
Jason Kidman (09:29)
Well, the neat thing, the thing where we can step in is not to play the doctor, right? But we could put together a protocol or a plan together and then you can make sure that you talk to your doctor about it and say, is what I'm going to do. Do I have your support? Right.
Lane Kennedy (09:35)
No.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Yeah, my doctor is pro-peptide. I mean, she put me on TA1 thymus and alpha one, but that was it. You know, so she's absolutely all for it. So that'll be really cool to be able to say, Hey, I have a new plan. What do you think? Yeah. Yeah. So let's do it.
Jason Kidman (10:02)
There we go. All right, I think we do it.
Okay, so inflammation and immunity, right? Are those kind of the two big players that we're looking at?
Lane Kennedy (10:12)
⁓
energy.
Jason Kidman (10:13)
energy. What kind of energy? Is it brain or is it mental or both?
Lane Kennedy (10:17)
It's physical. It is physical fatigue that I'm facing.
Jason Kidman (10:17)
physical.
Lane Kennedy (10:23)
Yeah, my brain is fully functioning, active, giddy up, let's go. But my body is, you better sit down right now. Like, no, I want to get back on my bike. I'm an athlete.
Jason Kidman (10:32)
I don't think.
So your brain's doing great, physical fatigue. And remind us again, dysautonomia. And what is the definition of that again?
Lane Kennedy (10:41)
Dysautonomia, yes.
⁓ When your autonomic nervous system kind of shuts down on you, know, in your autonomic nervous system is the things that run in your background, right? Make sure that you're digesting food, that your heart is pumping, that you are breathing. You know, it has all the background levers. It's controlling you basically.
Jason Kidman (11:03)
So does that keep you in a sympathetic state?
Lane Kennedy (11:05)
thousand percent yes yeah
Jason Kidman (11:07)
Are you able to sleep?
Lane Kennedy (11:08)
I do sleep, actually my sleep is solid. I wake up probably just once a night for some reason the dogs, there's something, it's too hot. But I do, I fall asleep quickly. I'm able to get my good deep, I get like four hours of deep sleep every night.
which I feel really blessed in that regard that I do get that deep restorative sleep where my brain actually clears out and, know, it's like, thank God.
Jason Kidman (11:28)
Yeah.
That's great.
Lane Kennedy (11:36)
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (11:37)
Okay, so inflammation, immunity, physical fatigue.
Lane Kennedy (11:41)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, that's what we're working on. That's what we're working on. We're going for it.
Jason Kidman (11:45)
And have you ever used an amino acid L-carnitine? Is it injectable? Okay.
Lane Kennedy (11:49)
No. No.
That scares me. But I can do it.
Jason Kidman (11:53)
It is a little scary. That one stings a bit.
Lane Kennedy (11:56)
Well, I was just
going to say, is it like glutathione? Same needle, same kind of.
Jason Kidman (12:00)
Yeah, yeah, just in the glue. It's not bad.
Lane Kennedy (12:01)
The bigger needle, yeah.
Jason Kidman (12:06)
So.
Lane Kennedy (12:06)
But you know what, I have the little lidocaine, so that's okay. I can put a little bit of that.
Jason Kidman (12:10)
You put it in the syringe? wow, that would be amazing.
Lane Kennedy (12:12)
Yeah. Yeah.
So you, ⁓ so I do it with the glutathione cause the glutathione can get stinging and then you put it at the very tip, the very end of the injection, you know, and you, so that goes in first and then you don't feel it. So that's a pro tip for anyone listening. Yeah.
Jason Kidman (12:18)
Yes.
Yeah.
There we go. I need to try that.
Well, one thing I have found, depending on who you're sourcing this stuff from, say like SomaCams, most of their stuff is mostly pain-free, but then you go over to like parabolic for L-carnitine and extreme pain, but it's also so, so dense. Like we're talking 1000 milligram per ML and most
Lane Kennedy (12:40)
wow.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (12:53)
products out there are 500 milligrams per ml. So would you rather have more fluid, less pain or the injection pain? But what I've found is if you kind of mix one modern amino or a SomaChem amino blend and then half 50 % and then half with the L-Carnitine, not Alcar, that's acetyl L-Carnitine, that's different than L-Carnitine.
But I do think that L-Carnitine could be a huge player for you for the fatigue, physical fatigue.
Lane Kennedy (13:22)
And what is L-carnitine doing in the body? Give me that, because I'm not up on L-carnitine.
Jason Kidman (13:28)
Yeah, that's a good question.
So L-conitine
is a naturally occurring molecule that helps transport fatty acids into the mitochondria where they're burned for energy. It improves energy metabolism, enhances fat utilization, and may support brain, heart, and muscle function. Commonly used in both athletic and clinical settings, it supports stamina, cognition, and metabolic recovery.
Lane Kennedy (13:39)
Mmm.
yes, I'm sorry.
Read that last part again.
Jason Kidman (13:53)
So
it's commonly used in both athletic and clinical settings, and it supports stamina, cognition, and metabolic recovery.
Lane Kennedy (14:01)
Stamina all about it. Let's go
Jason Kidman (14:03)
So the thing about this, like learning through Alex Keagle, you know, when he has these kinds of cases where people are just down here, like a one out of 10, like I've seen case studies where he's utilized two to three grams a day of L-Carnitine.
Lane Kennedy (14:08)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
For how long? Like what? Oh my God, okay, okay.
Jason Kidman (14:30)
not short durations. But I
think that if we just play it smart, we want to be balanced. It would not be crazy. And try to get to one gram over time, but start out at 5, 600. Because the typical dosing on it is going to be 500 milligrams, I think, three times a week. But usually, it's based off body weight as well.
Lane Kennedy (14:37)
Yeah, yeah.
Mm.
Jason Kidman (14:54)
But even in this app, it says 500 to 2000 milligrams daily, know, in divided doses. So it's all over the place. that, you know, based on your weight, I think that, you know, one gram to 1.5 gram would be extremely therapeutic. Extremely. Just got to find a source that will not be too painful. Yeah. Okay. All right. So first things first, let's go ahead and...
Lane Kennedy (14:59)
Wow.
Okay.
Okay, let's... I'll try it.
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. I'm up for it.
You're adding that to my
Peptide Pro account? Yay.
Jason Kidman (15:21)
I am, yeah.
So do we want to share the screen and show kind of what we're going to do?
Lane Kennedy (15:27)
I think so. I think that would be fun for everybody. If you're watching on YouTube, you can see the Peptide Pro that you can get as a result of going into Omega and working with Jason. And then if you're listening, maybe it'll make you curious.
Jason Kidman (15:40)
And not only that, but anybody can get this app. And we do have a discount code in our free and elite community for this if people wanted to try it out. But there's a lot going on here. What's that?
Lane Kennedy (15:51)
Can you make it a little bit bigger? Can you make it
little bit bigger, the screen? Or no?
Jason Kidman (15:56)
Da
Lane Kennedy (15:56)
There, okay, now, yeah, a little more. Almost, there we go, good. Okay, now I can see it. Great, look at this, this is cool.
Jason Kidman (15:59)
Okay
All right, so one thing I don't like about it, because a lot of health coaches use this, but they use the word patience. And I don't like that because I wish it said clients.
Lane Kennedy (16:08)
Mm.
Yeah, I'm not a patient. I'm a client.
Jason Kidman (16:15)
Yeah. So we're to go into your name here. You've already accepted this and we're going to go ahead and start building. So L-carnitine.
Lane Kennedy (16:18)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (16:25)
It has some weird quirks.
So start over, okay. Yeah. So standard is gonna be 500 real, because almost everything. Say a start date of when? Next Monday?
Lane Kennedy (16:28)
There it is.
Okay.
Yeah, I don't know how long it'll
take to get this stuff. I I can place an order today.
Jason Kidman (16:40)
I assume Monday.
And let's do, let's say 500 milligrams just every day weekends off.
Lane Kennedy (16:45)
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
Jason Kidman (16:48)
And then when we talk next in a few, like two, three weeks about this, then we would talk about like going to a little bit more. Let's go to 600 right now if we can. It's pretty easy to find a high quality 600 milligram per ml.
Lane Kennedy (16:52)
Yep, we'll do an update in two weeks.
Okay.
Jason Kidman (17:01)
Normally, we're building out 90-day protocols, so we're going to build three months on this.
Lane Kennedy (17:08)
take it in the morning.
Jason Kidman (17:09)
It doesn't matter morning, afternoon. Yeah. So what about vitamin C that you're taking orally, liposomally, or open to injection of it?
Lane Kennedy (17:10)
Okay.
Okay, good.
Right now I am taking about 3,000 milligrams orally, but I'm open to I'm open. I'm open to all of it, right? Like I Want to I want to get back in the gym like I want to not have this fatigue really
And I want to get that number down.
Jason Kidman (17:37)
What number?
Lane Kennedy (17:38)
the Epstein-Barr virus, right? Like that number just is such a.
Jason Kidman (17:40)
⁓ yes, yes, yeah.
So we have to do a custom on this because vitamin C is not pre-built. And we don't want to start everything on the same day, so we'll push this out to, say, the 20th. And let's say 1,000 milligrams. We'll adjust it based on what you can get. And then because you're doing the other one Monday through Friday, then let's say
Lane Kennedy (17:49)
Okay.
Got it, okay.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (18:07)
You'll do this one Wednesday through Sunday.
Lane Kennedy (18:09)
Okay.
Jason Kidman (18:09)
Whoops, 12 weeks.
Lane Kennedy (18:11)
And this is SubQ.
Jason Kidman (18:12)
no, I am as well. Yeah. Yeah. And it's up there in the pain department with no quarantine. Not as bad. It's not as bad. It's probably similar to glutathione. Speaking of glutathione, what's your, what's the amount that you have of that right now?
Lane Kennedy (18:12)
Or is this I am?
great. great. ⁓ Okay. ⁓ god.
I'm almost out, so I do need to get some more.
Jason Kidman (18:32)
Okay. So if Limitless doesn't have it, then Mindful Research, I believe, has a really good one that I've heard is... And whenever you can get this that is not already reconstituted, it's way better. Glutathione.
Lane Kennedy (18:35)
Yeah.
Do you use BAC water with it or do you use a different type of, like, it's just BAC? Okay, good to know. Pro tip for those who are listening.
Jason Kidman (18:49)
Okay.
I can't remember, Limitless has seven or eight products that have their own special Recon, Reconstantin, and I can't remember if Glutathione was one of them for them. They've been out of stock last time I checked. And so right now I have SomaChem's premix, and it's 200 milligrams per ml. But I also understand that if it comes premixed, expect about 50 % the result. So 200 milligram of, per ml of that's going to be equivalent to 100 milligram.
Lane Kennedy (18:59)
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (19:21)
of
Limitless and the other quality vendors.
Lane Kennedy (19:23)
Got it.
Jason Kidman (19:24)
So on that one, I would probably do that like twice a day on more of your down days. I know like your down days are most days right now because of what you're dealing with. But if you were to pick two days of the week that are more sedentary, even without dealing with this, what would those days be?
Lane Kennedy (19:39)
the weekends. Yeah.
Jason Kidman (19:40)
Okay.
So the weekends are kind of like recharge your immune system and your liver with some glutathione.
Lane Kennedy (19:46)
Yeah.
Okay.
Jason Kidman (19:48)
100.
And really, it's any time of day as well on this. I think I hear a lot of people that do take it more in the evening.
doesn't make you tired or anything. OK, so those are some players outside of peptides, although they kind of get looped into the peptide world very frequently, right?
Lane Kennedy (20:03)
They do.
Jason Kidman (20:04)
So what else have we talked about? We've talked about thymol synaphyl-1, right?
Lane Kennedy (20:07)
Yep, that I've been, I've taken that.
Jason Kidman (20:10)
and what's your dosage on that?
Lane Kennedy (20:12)
You're really I don't know. Let me let me see because this is from the doctor actually. So hang on.
Jason Kidman (20:14)
You don't know. Okay.
⁓ okay.
Lane Kennedy (20:20)
So she had me on 750 micrograms sub-Q Monday through Friday.
And.
Let's see.
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (20:29)
and it's a Friday.
Lane Kennedy (20:30)
Monday through Friday, weekends off.
Jason Kidman (20:31)
I like that amount if we're doing other things to support the thymus. Otherwise, it's just not very much.
Lane Kennedy (20:37)
Okay.
and do more.
Jason Kidman (20:39)
I like where it's at until when we build in the other things. there's the thymus, thymus in alpha one. Then we have to add, do you know how it was reconstituted?
Lane Kennedy (20:49)
It doesn't say on here. It was from the compounding pharmacy, so I don't.
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (20:54)
How many units do you pull it to, do know?
Lane Kennedy (20:56)
I think it was 25 units.
Jason Kidman (20:59)
Okay, so you might be in the three ml range.
Yeah, 3ml will be 22.5.
Lane Kennedy (21:03)
seeing here.
Oh, she had me on glutathione. She was 200 mg injectables.
Jason Kidman (21:08)
Nice.
Lane Kennedy (21:09)
So 1cc, yeah.
Jason Kidman (21:12)
That is a
pretty potent dose. was that stinging at all?
Lane Kennedy (21:16)
No, because I have the lidocaine on there. And I'm just reading her notes.
Jason Kidman (21:17)
Okay, cool.
What did she have you two days a week or one day a week or three?
Lane Kennedy (21:26)
Well,
she had, she wanted me to do it three times a week. But again, for me, that was too much because I was like putting a needle in my, again, my mindset was like, I want my body to kind of just relax without needles in it for a while. So, but now I'm like committed to this. whatever you tell me I'm going to do.
Jason Kidman (21:31)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (21:44)
She also had me on oxytocin, 75 IUs a day, which that was too much for me.
Jason Kidman (21:51)
Okay.
Lane Kennedy (21:52)
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (21:52)
can't see Oxytocin be a huge player in this. I wonder why.
Lane Kennedy (21:55)
Well, because
at first, I mean, depression is real here with, yeah, the kind of like, my God, my life is over, the complacency, the hopelessness.
Jason Kidman (22:00)
it's for the mood, okay.
Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (22:08)
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (22:09)
Did it help with that?
Lane Kennedy (22:10)
Yeah, but it was too much, so I didn't do as much as she wanted me to do.
She wanted me to do it two to four times a day, 75 I use one spray in each nostril. And I did it maybe every other day, cause it wasn't, I didn't need, I just didn't need it that much.
Jason Kidman (22:23)
just wonder if some C max would be better for that.
Lane Kennedy (22:26)
What's the Semax gonna do? What is that working on?
Jason Kidman (22:29)
⁓ Serotonin pathways, 5-HT, 5-HT. So, gives you a little bit of energy, mental energy, but not really physical energy. But then, slink. So, would do Semax in the morning and then do slink in the evening to calm down and have slink with you or available anytime you start getting some anxiety or anxiousness because it's incredible for that.
Lane Kennedy (22:31)
⁓ yes. Yes.
Well, you know, that's a really, so this is something else that really occurs every day is that my stomach is off. I wake up in like a half hour. It's stomach, right? So serotonin comes from the microbiome, right? The gut run by the autonomic nervous system. So I wonder if the Semax would help with that kind of cutting that anxiety that comes about from
the dysautonomia.
Jason Kidman (23:18)
It's definitely worth looking at. You know, when I think of gut, think of BPC, KPV, orally and the razzatide and, all those good things, but you generally have had a good gut health, right? Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (23:20)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
I have like, do the fiber. do the tight junction stuff. do. like my gut is.
Jason Kidman (23:38)
Yeah.
Okay. All right. Let's keep going there. So let's talk about BPC.
Lane Kennedy (23:39)
Yeah.
Yep. Yay.
Jason Kidman (23:44)
I understood correctly, you had a 40 milligram vial. We want to be taking, are you good with doing that twice a day or do you want to limit it to once a day for ease, but maybe not get quite as much benefit.
Lane Kennedy (23:47)
Mm-hmm.
⁓
I'd rather do it once a day, if you tell me to do it twice a day, I will.
Jason Kidman (24:00)
I'm going to tell you do it twice a day.
Lane Kennedy (24:01)
Okay, let's do it.
Jason Kidman (24:02)
Yeah. So it's right there. And why? Because BPC has a very short half-life per se in your body.
Lane Kennedy (24:09)
Yeah, Half Life.
Jason Kidman (24:10)
Mm-hmm.
Lane Kennedy (24:11)
And I think a protocol like this would be really good for, so there's a lot of invisible illnesses that people are just kind of suffering from, right? And we mentioned mold and we mentioned Lyme. You know, I have the Epstein-Barr, the Dysautonomia, long COVID. And I think a protocol like this might help for someone with long COVID. Immune challenged, like...
People who are immune compromised, I think need special protocols.
Jason Kidman (24:36)
Yeah. Yes. And you got that one supplement, the ImmunoStim or something similar, right? Okay.
Lane Kennedy (24:42)
Something similar, yeah.
I can't find it.
Jason Kidman (24:45)
Yeah. So there's a few just supplements that I feel would go very strongly with it. Remind me, Lane, how many MLs was mixed in your BPC?
Lane Kennedy (24:48)
Yeah.
three.
Jason Kidman (24:56)
Okay.
And so that's going to be really hard to get two units.
Lane Kennedy (25:00)
Yeah, I think I do like a unit and a half.
Jason Kidman (25:02)
If you were to get little tiny 0.3 ml syringes, then that's doable. It's more doable.
Lane Kennedy (25:06)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
put more water in. I can just put more.
Jason Kidman (25:12)
Yeah. So let's say, you, is there room for adding two more MLs?
Lane Kennedy (25:15)
Yeah, yeah, I can do that.
Jason Kidman (25:17)
Okay, so if we do that on here, that's gonna make it a lot more helpful. Okay. So you're just over three units.
Lane Kennedy (25:20)
I just started this bottle, so it's not going to affect it.
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (25:26)
Okay, and then what else have we talked about with thymalan?
by Mellon, right?
Lane Kennedy (25:30)
I'm Alan, it's a bioregulator, right?
Jason Kidman (25:32)
It's a peptide bioregulator instead of a Cavinson bioregulator. So things like thymalin and...
Lane Kennedy (25:38)
Mm-hmm
What about thymulin? Is it right? There's all these different thym.
Jason Kidman (25:48)
Yeah, it's the thymus gland. It's so important. It's our immune modulating organ. Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (25:55)
It's the master control, right? And
it starts to deteriorate as soon as we're born. It's like game over.
Jason Kidman (26:03)
Yeah,
yeah, exactly. So the thymalin is going to be, it's right here, it's immune system modulation, anti-aging and longevity, cellular regeneration, epigenetic regulator, bioregulator. So it actually does list it, there's bioregulator. Thymalin. So let's go to, let's see.
Lane Kennedy (26:23)
And this is Capsule or Sub-Q.
Jason Kidman (26:26)
It's available in both, but this will be a sub-q, sorry. Get it mixed up with epitelon.
Lane Kennedy (26:28)
Okay.
Thank you. Okay.
epithelium. Yeah.
Jason Kidman (26:36)
So this comes in 50 and 100 milligram vials, get the 100.
Lane Kennedy (26:40)
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (26:41)
And.
So five milligrams a day, every day until it's gone.
Lane Kennedy (26:46)
Okay.
Jason Kidman (26:47)
That will be 20 days.
Lane Kennedy (26:49)
Great.
Jason Kidman (26:49)
So, I'll pull this 20. So, thymalin kind of feeds the thymus gland. It helps the thymus gland to start to produce more thymosin alpha-1 on its own. So, you're getting thymosin alpha-1 externally but you're going to feed your body to get something that's going to help your body naturally make more thymosin alpha-1 on its own as well.
Which you can kind of see like where it all comes together when I said, yeah, 650 micrograms or 700 micrograms, whatever it was of thymol-synophil-1, it's not a lot, but if we pair it with these other things, I'm a bigger fan of, you know, more, like a little bit of more things is going to go a lot farther than a lot of one thing. Because you have so much
Lane Kennedy (27:33)
Sure, I got it.
Jason Kidman (27:35)
crossover and synergy between these things. So I feel very strongly about this. This will be good.
Lane Kennedy (27:44)
So I'm looking at Limitless right now. L-glutathione reduced is what they have. 500 milligrams.
Jason Kidman (27:51)
Yes, that's a good one.
Lane Kennedy (27:52)
includes
includes seven percent reconstitution solution. I should get that one.
Jason Kidman (27:58)
Yeah, so that's a different, that's a custom recon solution. It's a little bit, I think it keeps the pH and acid, acid, acidacy, what's the word? Acidity. It gets a little spot on and looks like Limeless right now is 25 or 20 % off site wide for Veterans Day. I didn't know that.
Lane Kennedy (28:09)
Yeah, acidity. Yep. You got it. You got it.
but we can get the discount through Omega, so that's fine.
Jason Kidman (28:26)
Yeah, we better get it announced in the group though. I am falling short, Lane, I'm falling short.
Lane Kennedy (28:29)
Yeah.
I know there's so many things. Okay, so thymulin.
Jason Kidman (28:34)
Yeah. ⁓
100 milligram.
We're going to mix it with, let's say 2 ml. How many I use would that be?
10 units.
Lane Kennedy (28:45)
I love this
plan, this creator here.
Jason Kidman (28:49)
they're so awesome. That's Rachel and her fiance is the, they're the brains behind it. So Rachel is the owner and I can't remember his name, but he's kind of behind the scenes. think he has a master's in biology of some sort and a PhD or something. I don't know, he's super smart. So.
Lane Kennedy (28:55)
Really.
Nice. Yeah.
Jason Kidman (29:08)
So have thymalin and you mentioned thymolin. So let's see the difference there. Thymolin, immune system modulation, same thing, anti-inflammatory, cellular regeneration, that was on the other one, anti-aging and longevity. Now this is a super cheap, like cheap as in it's very affordable. And...
Lane Kennedy (29:11)
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, there it is. Yep. Same.
Jason Kidman (29:26)
see here, thymolin.
We're talking about a lot of money for thymolin and very little for thymolin. 20 bucks.
Lane Kennedy (29:32)
Right. I mean, what's the... Why would I get one over the other?
Jason Kidman (29:41)
They do completely different things, even though they're one letter apart.
Lane Kennedy (29:44)
Right, so for our...
Right, so let's... I want you to explain that to our listeners because there's been so many questions about this in the group. So let's make this really clear for people.
Jason Kidman (29:54)
Mm-hmm.
Okay, so thymolin is going to be a, it's a single nanopeptide hormone from the thymus. Thymalin is a complex polypeptide from thymus tissue. The mechanism is gonna be, the thymolin is gonna be involved in T cell differentiation.
and maturation and NK, natural killer cell activation, while as thymalin acts via short peptide fragments influencing gene expression, genetics, cytokine production, and possibly regeneration and immune restoration. So you want both, right?
Lane Kennedy (30:20)
Yep. Yep.
was
just going to say it's good to have both on board. Yeah. But here I want to throw this out. It's like, think about your budget, right? We're always, we want to be budget conscious of like, you know, what can you use? Spend your money wisely. I just want to share that with our listeners.
Jason Kidman (30:37)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, and it's so hard because they're so different.
Lane Kennedy (30:53)
Yeah, they are very different. Like if I, so if I had to choose one, I would go after the first one that you were talking about. That's the time. ⁓
Jason Kidman (31:04)
Phymolin or
Phymallin?
Lane Kennedy (31:06)
the first one that you read about.
Jason Kidman (31:07)
Thymolam is the first one I read about,
Lane Kennedy (31:08)
you
Yes, I would go after that one. Is that the more expensive one? ⁓ that's the cheaper one. Okay. So there you go.
Jason Kidman (31:12)
No, that's the cheaper one. Yeah. And I would go up and
find one nine times out of 10. It just packs more punch, like 10X.
Lane Kennedy (31:22)
Yeah. But you're not going to lose, right? If your budget only affords the second one, the first one.
Jason Kidman (31:25)
No.
Yeah, mean,
without budget being a factor. thymol is going to be one milligram a day. And that's something we could link in.
Lane Kennedy (31:30)
Yeah, right.
All right, let's keep going.
Jason Kidman (31:41)
Instead of like, actually, let's do weekdays on that. But then after, you know, maybe one vial, you could move it to like three days a week.
Lane Kennedy (31:45)
Okay.
Great.
think that's the other thing that starts to happen is that, you you do start to feel like a pin cushion, like, or I do at least. It just becomes like, ⁓
Jason Kidman (31:58)
True.
So that would be 20 units if we mix with 2 mls or mix it with 1 ml, 10 units, there we go.
Lane Kennedy (32:03)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Great.
Jason Kidman (32:07)
All right, so we're starting to build out a nice little plan here. need GHKCU, right? Yeah, the genetic benefits as well.
Lane Kennedy (32:11)
Yeah. Yes. One of my all-time favorites.
Yeah. One of my faves.
Jason Kidman (32:19)
Accelerated healing, neurological support, hair growth, skin health, anti-aging and longevity. So much more to it than that too. Do you already have that or do you have it like in a week?
Lane Kennedy (32:24)
Yes, there's so much more.
⁓ just put it on there. I don't think I have any right now.
Jason Kidman (32:32)
Okay, so that's gonna be two milligrams five days a week. I would personally, I'd mix that in the same syringe as, not vial, but same syringe as the BPC 157. Because GHK-1 can cause some stinging because that copper in it.
Lane Kennedy (32:42)
put it in the same.
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (32:47)
So 100 mg vial, then you mix 3 mls, and you got 6 units right there.
Lane Kennedy (32:51)
Great.
Jason Kidman (32:52)
Okay. All right. What else for immunity? We have the bioregulators. I would do indolutin and the thymus, vladonyx to start for sure. Are you open to bioregulators? The capsules.
Lane Kennedy (33:03)
Yeah, I am.
Yeah.
Jason Kidman (33:05)
So this is good for anti-AEG.
Lane Kennedy (33:06)
and elude.
Jason Kidman (33:07)
Sleep is good for sleep as well. Not that you have a problem with that.
Lane Kennedy (33:10)
Let's see what my what I have. I might even have endoletion.
No, I don't. You know what I do have a lot of is methylene blue.
Jason Kidman (33:17)
⁓ we gotta add that then.
Lane Kennedy (33:19)
I have so much, it's like crazy town. I need to like start using it.
Jason Kidman (33:23)
Crazy town, huh?
Lane Kennedy (33:24)
Yeah, I do have Christagen. I do have Christagen though.
Jason Kidman (33:27)
Is that in a vial?
Lane Kennedy (33:28)
Mm-hmm.
No, it's, you know, capsule. Yeah.
Jason Kidman (33:33)
What does it say
on it? Like as far as like ingredients, like what that actually is.
Lane Kennedy (33:37)
So it's a complex AC, is proline glutamic L-aspartic.
That's it.
I mean, it's very similar. You know, I also take ice cell water. Are you on ice cell water?
Jason Kidman (33:48)
No, I'd love to get some structured water of sorts though.
Lane Kennedy (33:51)
I was just looking at the ingredients on the eye cell water. It's L-alanine, creatine, monohydrate, glycine.
Jason Kidman (34:00)
Sorry about that. That was a narrator in Windows popped up.
Lane Kennedy (34:01)
What is that?
But the Icell water I started taking and it's very similar. It has similar to the Crystigen. This is a really good product. I love this product.
Jason Kidman (34:06)
I'm so tired.
cool.
to send me that link because I don't have enough stuff anyway.
Lane Kennedy (34:17)
I will. And I found it.
you know, this is Seeds product. You know, he. Some people hate him and really kind of like, you know, he's. But I appreciate Dr. Seeds, so I don't know, that's the win for me.
Jason Kidman (34:22)
Okay.
Yeah, I don't think he's out for his own good. I think he's trying to do the right thing.
Lane Kennedy (34:35)
I do too!
Jason Kidman (34:36)
but I can see why people don't like them too.
Lane Kennedy (34:38)
Yeah. What other bio regs are you looking at for me? Latinx? I have Latinx. Okay, good. I have a full box actually, so that's good. Yes, I have the full, yeah.
Jason Kidman (34:41)
Vlad-O-Nicks.
capsules, right?
That could help with your physical energy too. Yep.
Lane Kennedy (34:53)
Yeah?
Okay. Good to know.
Jason Kidman (34:56)
used in athletics a lot.
Lane Kennedy (34:58)
Okay. This is, this is thymus, right? Vlatinex is the thymus. Yeah. Okay.
Jason Kidman (35:02)
Yep.
So we're going to build that in your schedule with Indolutin for 10 days on, 20 days off. So that way we kind of pace it out. You could go 30 on and just burn through it, but let's... ⁓
Lane Kennedy (35:07)
Okay.
Pace it out, pace it
out. I'm on so many supplements, it's too much for me.
Jason Kidman (35:18)
Yeah, but yeah, just take the vladeniks in the morning when you wake up and take the indolent at night with the thymalan. no, not thymalan. Yeah. the one we haven't talked about yet.
Lane Kennedy (35:30)
What's that?
Jason Kidman (35:30)
Epitalon, we mentioned that earlier.
Lane Kennedy (35:33)
I put a lot, I don't,
I think I have one. I have one.
Jason Kidman (35:34)
epithelon. A lot of people say epithelon.
I
say a pitalon.
Lane Kennedy (35:40)
the capital.
Jason Kidman (35:40)
I like this
one because this one has got neurological support. It's got a lot of sleep benefits, mitochondria support, hormone regulation.
Lane Kennedy (35:48)
I have
a 10 milligram bottle.
Jason Kidman (35:52)
Vile?
Lane Kennedy (35:52)
But yeah, and I have.
That's all I have.
I have so many peptides. It's crazy.
Jason Kidman (35:55)
Thank
Okay, so as a capsule, the dose is 3.3 milligrams. As an injection, I'm gonna have to my homework on that, I think it's, maybe it's just like 500 micrograms. Flag this and we'll make sure to research it.
So Monday through Friday evening.
Okay, so we got a lot of good immune stuff going here.
It's always good to go in here, go into the encyclopedia.
Lane Kennedy (36:22)
That's really cool.
Jason Kidman (36:23)
⁓ Lane, okay. Big player here, big player. Phymojin.
Lane Kennedy (36:26)
What's that?
that's a new one. I've never heard of this.
Jason Kidman (36:29)
It's not even on here. Yeah, it's not on here. So Holthorpe Medical, big fan of thymogen alpha one there. And in fact, one of the doctors they interviewed said it's his favorite, not at Holthorpe, but a doctor on the show said that it's his favorite peptide, his favorite one.
Lane Kennedy (36:30)
What? This is the new one.
Mm-hmm.
Is it doing the same? Obviously it's not doing the same thing as thymulin.
Jason Kidman (36:51)
It might be similar to this thymogen, but it's more of a bioregulator. It's anti-inflammatory immune system. It's all of these things. But you'll get that at, as far as I know, the only quality place to get that is going to be integrative peptides. And we have a discount code you can get in our community there too. Thymogen. So I'm going have to make that manually here.
Lane Kennedy (36:57)
Okay.
Jason Kidman (37:15)
All right.
to stop.
Lane Kennedy (37:16)
goodies, all the goodies. Let's see.
I have a lot of Christagen.
Jason Kidman (37:20)
Okay, so I went and stopped the screen share because I think we're pretty good for now. And then the other things that we'll talk about a little bit later will be, we mentioned CMACs, right? I just don't know if I would do all this at once, but CMACs for mental energy, Solenke for anxiety, but it's an anxiety reducing focus.
Lane Kennedy (37:31)
Yes.
Okay.
Jason Kidman (37:43)
So you could take it before bed. You could take it before a sports game. You could take it before a big meeting. So that one, those two. ⁓ Now, the other thing for that physical energy, where are you with NAD right now? Taking a break, right? OK. So five amino, one MQ.
Lane Kennedy (37:51)
Yeah.
Yeah.
I'm not on that.
Jason Kidman (38:03)
Okay, so I think that's one that you are gonna love, but let's give that a few weeks. Like let's let the other stuff start to calm things down. And then five amino has that NNMT. So it actually naturally increases NAD in our bodies. But for now, let's do this and then we can talk about the...
Lane Kennedy (38:09)
Okay.
Jason Kidman (38:26)
NAD plus at that later point because you're to want to introduce apigenin, which is a supplement.
Lane Kennedy (38:31)
Okay,
Jason Kidman (38:34)
So where I was going with all that was, you know, your cellular energy. There's one more thing that we are going to add to this. One more thing, and it is crucial because I totally forgot about it. It is a top three favorite peptide right now for me. SS31. SS31, your mitochondria rebuilder. That is mitochondria hardware. That's like the... So you have MOTS-c which you mentioned before.
Lane Kennedy (38:40)
One more thing, you promise?
yeah.
Mm-hmm.
Jason Kidman (39:01)
So
a MOTS-c is like the software upgrade to your genetics or your cells. SS31 is the hardware upgrade. So before doing a software upgrade, do the hardware upgrade. So MOTS-c should be usually run after SS31. So I am currently, I think I have a source to get a pretty big dose of it, a pretty big vial. And then you can max dose that for
We'll build it in and then we're not even worried about MOTS-c right now.
Lane Kennedy (39:29)
My body loves the MOTS-c though, I'm just saying, or it did. I mean, that's peptide that like completely changed my life. I was like, this is amazing.
Jason Kidman (39:31)
Yeah, you did.
I think your body will love 15 to 20 milligrams of SS31 for a few months too. Yeah.
Lane Kennedy (39:45)
Okay, let's go, I'm in. Let's go. ⁓
So I think this has been super helpful and I hope our audience and listeners and community think the same. If you have questions, please reach out to us, jump into the community, ask, you know, what do you think? Tell us what you think. Am I missing something? That would be good to find out.
Jason Kidman (40:06)
And I think it's worth mentioning that this has been so, it's like another language, right? And to dumb it down, we've built a master class in the community in Omega Elite where when asked how to do it, because I was building it for a life coaching group of 3,000 people. And I was getting advice on how to do it. And they said, make it so a 14-year-old can understand it. So that's what I've done. I've done that.
And then from there, we can just learn about things slowly over time, but learn the basics in that master class. And don't jump all over social media. Don't jump all over YouTube and stuff, like trying to figure out what one thing does. Because when we're learning about this stuff, we want to go to five experts, five different experts. So that's what I do. I go to four five different experts to learn about one thing. And then the sum of those things usually
Usually it's going to be five out of five. My experts are going to usually fill the exact same way. And if there's one that's a little bit off, then I can research why. But in this case, like if there's a protocol I'm building, it's not my protocol. It's world renowned experts that I study that I'm going to take the sum of these five and build it that way. So does that make sense?
Lane Kennedy (41:21)
It does because I, I mean, I have mentorship, right? I have four mentors that I use regularly when I'm building out protocols in the DNA space. Like I don't want, I don't go into building somebody's protocol alone, right? I pay for mentorship to understand more thoroughly because they have years and years and years of experience. Just so I, I love that. I love that you're not like just guessing.
Jason Kidman (41:42)
Perfect.
No, there's no guessing here.
Lane Kennedy (41:45)
I
mean, it's like, my God.
Jason Kidman (41:47)
Ha ha ha.
Lane Kennedy (41:48)
I wanna follow up with one, no, I'm gonna save this for next time. You guys, thanks so much for hanging out with us. We're gonna wrap it up here. Jason, thanks for building out that protocol. I can't wait to see what happens and we're gonna keep you all posted. We'll see you next time.
Jason Kidman (41:52)
Okay.
All right. It's been a of
fun. All right. Love y'all.