Trish Ware: [00:00:00] My name is Trish Ware and I am obsessed with all things pregnancy and birth and helping you to navigate with the practical and the magical seasons of this journey called motherhood. I'm an all day coffee sipping mama of seven. I've had the amazing privilege of delivering many babies in my 15 plus year career as a labor and delivery nurse and as a mama of seven.

I'm here to help you take the guesswork out of childbirth so you can make the choices that are right for you and your baby. Quick note, this podcast is for educational purposes only and does not replace your medical advice. Check out our full disclaimer at the bottom of the show notes.

Good morning, everyone. We have a guest today, Erin Moore, and I'm gonna let her tell you all the hats [00:01:00] she wears because she has just such a wealth of knowledge and training, and we're gonna be talking about the early days of breastfeeding. What to do if something unexpected happened. And I'm gonna share a little bit of my story here in a minute 'cause I had that with baby number seven,

So Erin, will you introduce yourself and just tell everyone who you are, what you do?

Erin Moore: Sure. Hi, thanks so much for having me on. My name is Erin Moore and I'm a pediatric nurse practitioner and certified lactation counselor. And I help moms feed their babies throughout their entire journey wherever it takes.

them. So whether moms are breastfeeding or formula feeding, combining formula and breast milk or solids. And I am most active on social media at babyfeeding. coach where I do just a lot of education on like the continuum of [00:02:00] feeding and wherever it is. So lots of judgment free. feeding information.

Trish Ware: Praise God because people get rough when it comes to this topic.

And it's, it, I said, I alluded to that I had difficulty. So when I had Grayson, I already had breastfed Five. One was adopted. Did not breastfeed her. And I'm a labor and delivery nurse who helps women at bedside. And then my son was diagnosed as failure to thrive because I was not producing enough milk.

And I did everything, including my oldest son, who was working with missionaries all over the world, smuggled in some medication for me from another country. Not allowed here. And which was really funny because he was like in his 20s and him and another guy packed their bag with these pills and had to go through customs and they were like, the one was like, if I get in trouble smuggling your [00:03:00] mom's breastfeeding pills, I am not going to be happy, but I, here I was with Grayson.

And, I was sleep deprived. I had a lot going on in my life. That's a whole another podcast episode. But I go and as she diagnosed him, I'm like, oh my gosh, like then I see how long and skinny this little stinker is, and I was beating myself up because I should be able to do this.

So that being said. I know that there are a lot of people on social media that go nuts when it comes to formula feeding or supplementing or what have you. But there are, first of all, whatever you want to do, that's what we believe. So that's inside my birth courses as well, my, my girls say I lay it all out and let them pick and choose.

Like I will guide them as much as I can and help them. But it's their journey. And if you want to breastfeed, yay. If you don't, yay. It is your choice. I'm so glad that you said [00:04:00] that. I do want to talk about your education for women who find themselves needing to stop. supplement at first because I didn't really have much guidance, right?

Erin Moore: You don't get a lot of guidance. So in traditional breastfeeding classes, you learn Oh, these are the positions that you breastfeed in, or this is how you get a good latch, but so much of it changes once your baby actually comes. And I'm sure you know this as a labor and delivery nurse, that it just, everything's a little bit different when you're actually doing it yourself.

Trish Ware: And real boobs are a lot different than the models they use in those classes. I was so shocked at the sizes and shapes of nipples when I became a labor nurse. There is just a plethora.

Erin Moore: And then it's you don't know what your baby is going to be like, what state your baby's going to be in.

Is your baby going to be a good latch right from the beginning? Is your baby going to be really smart? sleepy and not able to latch. And so there's just all these other dynamics and it's a skill [00:05:00] that needs to be learned. And we get very little assistance. Even in the hospital, we might get a half an hour or like best case scenario, an hour plus of feeding assistance, but that doesn't really teach us everything that we need to know in this like new and learned skill. So sometimes. Sometimes things go fabulously and sometimes things go fabulously in the hospital and then you leave the hospital and you don't have that assistance anymore and things are not as fabulous and there's pain and there's trouble latching and you don't know if your baby is getting enough and you're hoping they are, but you don't really know what to look for.

So it's just, it's a big struggle with moms that I work with and it's is my baby getting enough? And if not, can we see those signs? But a lot of times you can't until you see your pediatrician for the first time or you pediatric provider for the first time, [00:06:00] and then they're like, Oh, your baby's lost 10 percent of their birth weight.

Now you need to supplement. And then you're like, Oh. Oh my gosh. You feel like you got slapped, right? It's I don't want to, I was playing on exclusively breastfeeding and now they're saying that I need to supplement. And then you hear on social media that if you supplement, then you're ruining your chances of breastfeeding and there's just all this information and it's.

Yeah.

Trish Ware: And then on top of it, Grayson had the milk, soy, dairy allergy, which is, yeah. And I remember the can of formula that I had to use was like a hundred and something dollars a can. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Which I did get reimbursed finally. But that was a struggle.

Erin Moore: It's, there's a lot of, there's a lot that goes on with feeding that's aside from just breastfeeding and then adding formula to it too, right?

There are these things and it can be very scary and it's just a lot. It's a lot emotionally, and it's a lot [00:07:00] of just figuring it out.

Trish Ware: Yeah. And But truthfully, even mixing formula or handling formula or storing formula, all of that was so foreign to me. And we didn't really teach that to our patients either because most of the hospitals I've worked in are baby friendly where you have to have a doctor's order if you give them formula and it's just frowned upon.

So and postpartum nurses usually dealt with that anyway, not me. So that was a learning curve as well. I feel like there's a lot of like shame put on even educating women on how to handle formula.

Erin Moore: Absolutely. And that's what my experience was too is I'm a nurse practitioner. I've been a pediatric nurse and nurse practitioner by the time I had my first child, I had been in pediatrics for 10, 10 or 11 years.

So I always was like, okay, whatever works for the family, whatever works for the family. But when it came to the time that I needed to use formula because my son wasn't gaining weight [00:08:00] and I was having breastfeeding issues, it was during like peak COVID quarantine. And so my resources were not there.

I was doing this lactation course, even. Even all my lactation stuff, I didn't really learn a lot about formula. And I was like, no, I don't want to do this. Like fine for other people, not fine for me. And then I reluctantly did it. And I'm like, why isn't there more information about this? Why is nobody ever talked about combo feeding?

Even though all these moms in the clinic that I work with are giving a little bit of breast milk and formula, like clearly people are doing it, but why does nobody talk about it?

Trish Ware: Yeah. And. Honestly, it's a lot of work. It is. Combo feeding. So kudos to you guys if you're doing it, because you're doing both things and both things take a lot of work.

Erin Moore: It's a difficult world to navigate because you have to protect your milk supply And then you have to, figure out what's going on with formula too. And is it the right formula for your baby and then figure out your schedule. But once you have it [00:09:00] down, it feels, to me, it felt really good and it was surprising.

Like I was not expecting to feel the way that I did when I started a formula. I expected that when I started it, I wasn't going to like using it, but once I did it and I was actually seeing my baby grow and thrive. And knowing that was best for my baby, that he was getting a little bit of formula.

Wow. That really changed everything really.

Trish Ware: Yeah. And I actually used an SNS system, a supplemental system. And I have a really funny story for those of you guys listening who don't know what that is. It is a combo feeding device. And it has little bags you put the formula in and then a little really thin flexible tube that you can tape on your nipple so that when they're breastfeeding they're also getting the supplemental formula.

So I was at Carrabba's and First of all, I was 42 when I had Grayson, so I was already paranoid that everybody thinks I'm his grandma because I felt so old, right? And, so [00:10:00] I've got him to my breast and the waiter walks up and my bag slipped out of my shirt, onto the ground, all over his foot. Oh mortified to say the least.

It was mortifying because I'm like, they probably think this is not my baby and I'm pretending to breastfeed. Like it was such a mortifying experience, but that was the way that I chose. I didn't use bottles till he was a little older. What about you?

Erin Moore: Did you

Trish Ware: do

Erin Moore: both? So

Trish Ware: actually,

Erin Moore: my, yeah, so my second baby, he had when he was born, he, I had gestational diabetes and everything was controlled by diet.

I never really had to do anything and actually they stopped I didn't need to check my blood sugars even like toward the end of it, just, I think it was like once a week or so. But when he was born he was not, I thought he like cried a little bit, but not super vigorously. And they like put him on my chest and I'm like, Oh, I'm going to start breastfeeding him.

And so I literally was trying to get him to latch. And the nurse [00:11:00] was like, rubbing him really hard. And I told the nurse, I'm like, you don't need to clean him. It's okay. It's okay. I want him to be on my chest. I want him to start breastfeeding. She's no. He's not really he's not active.

Oh, nice. And and I'm like, Okay. Okay. So then I'm like, okay, go do whatever. And then they took him away and this is as I'm delivering my, placenta and they're stitching me up and I'm waiting for him to cry over in the incubator and tested they tested his blood sugar and it was 17. So yeah, so it was really So he went straight to the NICU.

So he didn't actually Oh, okay. I I'm so surprised. Yeah. Yeah. So it was 17, they gave him the glucose and it ended up being 26 after that. And I literally yelled to the nurses and I was like. Go get formula. I want 20 milliliters of formula right now. And I don't know where 20 milliliters of formula came, but [00:12:00] in my mind I was like, he needs something.

And I want it to be 20 milliliters of formula. So maybe other people are like shaking in their boots over that. But I, In my brain, and as I was delivering the placenta, I was like, 20 milliliters of formula, stat! They started giving, or they fed him 20 milliliters of formula, and he ended up doing great.

After that, he got it, and then his blood sugars were under control and he got discharged at a typical time, never ended up in NICU, and And so that was a long story long, but we were latching breastfeeding and then also offering bottles. But he had a lot of feeding issues, unrelated to the gestational diabetes, unrelated to the blood sugars.

He had a terrible tongue tie and needed, ended up needing feeding therapy for a couple months.

Trish Ware: Man, tongue ties. I have a client in my coaching program who is an expert, tongue tie expert. And we connected because I [00:13:00] swear 80 percent of my students in my membership, their babies have a tongue tie.

Like it's an epidemic.

Erin Moore: Yeah. And it's interesting because I am 36 years old and I learned fairly recently, probably I don't know, when I started doing lactation, so about four or five years ago that I have a tongue tie and I'm like, oh, I've diagnosed my husband.

Trish Ware: He's 45.

Erin Moore: Yeah.

You're right. You're right. You're right. And I'm like, Oh. I have a lisp. I have a hard time saying my S's. And I'm like, Oh. Oh, okay. It's because of my tongue tie. I can't. And then my, I breathe with my mouth at night. And I'm like, Oh, my tongue tie. Same

Trish Ware: as my husband. Yeah. And if he's listening to this, he's going to be like, really?

But I, from the minute I met him, I was like, did you have a lisp? Did you just have a lisp? And then I've learned so much from Lisa that I've diagnosed him. I. I

Erin Moore: swear he does. So I do I do oral motor evaluations on all the babies that I see in clinic. And and you can have a tongue tie and have [00:14:00] everything function how it's supposed to be functioning.

And that's great, but it really does take somebody who's had extra training in tongue ties. And not that I want people to lose, any kind of confidence in their pediatric providers and their medical team. But if you are even questioning it and you hear no, having somebody who has that extra training in tongue ties just to do an evaluation, I think never hurts.

Trish Ware: Yeah I don't think he'll agree, but. He won't agree to that for sure. But yeah I've learned a lot about tongue tie. It's insane. But anyway, one thing that while you were talking really hit me is because, I have my birth course and then we have call mama society, which is a pregnant postpartum membership.

So we spend a lot of time with our moms. And. If you guys are listening, I want you to hear, we've got a nurse practitioner whose expertise is pediatrics and a 16 year labor and delivery [00:15:00] nurse, mom of seven, and we both struggled in different ways with breastfeeding and our baby. And so when you're in the midst of that, you feel a lot of shame and you feel inadequate.

But it's not true, right?

Erin Moore: There's so much to navigate and You can plan as much as you want to plan and when you're actually there and learning that new skill with your baby There are just some things that you can't anticipate happening.

Trish Ware: No, but our society makes us think Just think that it'll just come naturally and even your Like, it's natural.

Yeah, and even your bond and all the feelings and when you see your newborn you'll feel this, but not everybody experiences that. And I just really want to normalize that, that your experience is yours and I always compare birth to go into a foreign country, but so is parenting and you would never think I could just land in Italy and I don't speak a lick of Italian or know the culture [00:16:00] but I'll be fine.

No, you will not be fine. I didn't. I use Italy because I did that two years ago. I was so busy and I'm normally very type A and I did terrible planning. So I always use that as my example because it was, I'm in Italy, like a dream vacation, but it still was horrible in some ways. Yeah, sure.

Sure. Like birth and

Erin Moore: parenting. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that asking for help is. Something that's very hard for moms to do but it is really crucial. And that's every step of the way. It's not just, it's not just breastfeeding. It's not just bottle feeding. It's not just starting solids, but really there are just so many things that come up along the way that would just be a little bit better if you had that extra assistance.

Trish Ware: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. 100%. So I guess where I want to go now is let's say we have a mom who either is pregnant and [00:17:00] preparing them for the unexpected just in case, or a mom who is like us that are, is just finding this out. What tips would you give them for navigating supplementing or even. breast, formula feeding,

Erin Moore: right?

So I always just like to say that just because your pediatric provider recommended formula in the early days does not mean that your baby is going to need to be on formula for a long time. It can mean that, but what needs to happen is need, there needs to be some further investigation. So if let's just talk about your baby not gaining the appropriate weight.

So let's, it's normal for babies to lose about seven up to 10, 10 is a little bit iffy, but 7 percent of their birth weight in the first few days after life after they're born. And then you're usually seeing your [00:18:00] pediatric provider. And if you, if your baby is continuing to lose weight after day five or their weight gain is not as expected, they're not having as many wet and poopy diapers as expected.

They have jaundice. They're, Just like sometimes they're so sleepy that they can't sustain these feeds. Your pediatric provider might, or it's taking a little bit longer for your milk to come in. Your pediatric provider might recommend supplementing and they'll tell you how much that they would want you to do.

And you might see a provider that recommends triple feeding, which is, breastfeeding first, putting your baby at the breast and then pumping afterward and feeding your baby a bottle of either formula or express breast milk. And this helps your milk come in a little bit faster because it's triggering to the brain, make more milk and make more milk.

And And then hopefully your milk comes in, your baby latch is great, then you can decrease the amount of formula. Sometimes this process takes a while and sometimes it [00:19:00] takes just a few days and things get better and Then you're smooth sailing. But just in this time, it's a lot of work in a period where you're already like learning how to live with your new roommate and functioning as a family and all these big life changes and healing your lady bits, healing, healing yourself.

Your hormones are going all over the place because of all the shifts shifts from delivery and breastfeeding. Get help. And it might be one appointment. It might be two appointments, but if you're a pediatric provider, if you're a lactation professional has you triple feeding, it's meant to be temporary a week maximum, most of the time.

And you need some help too.

Trish Ware: Now I do have a question. So one of the things that I talk to my girls inside the community, we talk about like for my moms, cause we have something called the labor bat signal where they can add on like a group chat with me and the doulas. And oh, cool. During [00:20:00] postpartum, they get it from 36 weeks to eight weeks postpartum.

And during postpartum, a lot of them are really struggling mentally and emotionally with exhaustion and all of that. So one of the things we recommend is the last feed of the day to express milk for that feed or pump, and then let your partner either spoon or cup feed that last feed and you sleep through it so they can get, a little extra sleep.

I was thinking about for these moms who it's a temporary, would you always recommend that they supplement with a bottle or would you do something like that where they spoon or cup feed or?

Erin Moore: If you want to it's a personal preference and I think bottles are probably the easiest and less messy or the least messy.

And I think that you can. offer a bottle, we want to make sure that the bottle is like the right flow for babies. That it's not so fast because if you think about like breast milk going, being slow [00:21:00] and a little bit not as predictable. And then you give a baby something that's like, very fast.

Yeah. The baby's going to take the path of least resistance, but but I think that you can do whatever works for your family. And if you're like bottle feeding I don't want to do it. I would rather do something like the S and S or I'd rather do something like even men can use S and S, that's like whatever they can use, put it on your finger. They can put it on their chest you doing something like that works or cup or spoon or bottle.

Trish Ware: Okay. And do you recommend paste feeding? Yeah. I like paste feeding. Maybe explain what that is. So people listening.

Erin Moore: So the theory behind paste feeding is.

Making, making bottle feeding as similar to breastfeeding as possible. So you feed your baby in a kind of semi upright position where the bottle is tilted horizontal to the ground and then you you tilt the [00:22:00] bottle up just a little bit. So there's no air in the hole and then your baby kind of sucks, sucks that way and more pattern.

That's. like in a pattern that's regulated a little bit more. Some sources say to like tip it back because if you're breastfeeding, they're gonna suck suck, suck, and then get into a pattern. But then there'll be periods where they suck and nothing is coming out. So that kind of mimics that.

I I'm a little bit more reluctant to like the tipping back. I know that they say that if you suck on it your baby's not getting air in there, but I do find babies that do like the tip back. It's just harder to regulate, but I do like doing more like the semi upright and then the horizontal and then following baby's cues and making sure that your baby's not like chugging a bottle.

So it's taking a similar amount of time to breastfeed as it would to bottle feed. Yeah

Trish Ware: I agree with everything you just said, because and, but this is more for the mom who is going to go back to exclusive [00:23:00] or maybe is hesitant or wants to keep it in control breastfeeding wise. If you're all for formula feeding and bottle feeding and you don't care, girl, do not try, you don't have to do all this stuff.

Exactly. Yeah. So a lot of my students and members that talk to us about it, they're really trying to preserve their breastfeeding experience. So that's more for that, but I don't want anybody to, worry about that or feel shame. And if you're

Erin Moore: bottle feeding from the beginning or you're like pumping and then bottle feeding you can do some faster paced.

You can do some faster paces if you're not going back and forth between the breast and the bottle. But we just want to make sure your baby's not like pouring milk out of the side of their mouth. They're not clicking. So the same things that you would be doing if you're breastfeeding, if they're making a lot of noise, there's a lot pouring out.

They're seeming to Wow. That baby slams the bottle. I hear that with from the dads that come in, they're like, yeah, I just slammed that bottle. And like that kind of stuff, you're like, okay, I just want to make sure that the [00:24:00] babies are not going to be taking so much so fast that they can't really handle the flow.

And then they're getting gas or they're really uncomfortable or like they end up overfeeding just because there's some little things that are happening.

Trish Ware: Yeah, I agree. I agree. I guess the next thing I was gonna just talk because I'm interested. You also transitioned to helping parents like going to solids, correct?

So what is your I want to hear like your recommendations or.

Erin Moore: I'm very much, in the ballpark of you do what feels comfortable to you. I think a lot of social media these days says that baby led weaning is the only option to feed your baby. There's a lot of scary stuff that happens that we see on social media.

And then there's this promise that if you do baby led weaning, that your baby's not going to be picky. I think baby led weaning is a great way to get your baby to eat a variety of foods [00:25:00] and flavors. And it can be easier for some families because if they're already cooking all their meals and they can just modify them for their babies and they feel confident in handling emergency then sometimes it's really easy.

It can be pretty overwhelming for families that are, like, on the fence. They would probably feel better about purees and then doing some kind of progression, but but they feel like they need to do this because this is what they have to do to be a to prevent picky eating, which I don't think you can truly prevent.

I

Trish Ware: know

Erin Moore: 100

Trish Ware: percent you can't. I have seven children and I did the same with all of them. And. I even have, like Grayson, for instance, was not picky at all and now he's nine and he's so picky. It came out of

Erin Moore: nowhere. I think a lot has to do with temperament and we can do all the things and do everything right.

Like I, I did that with my first where I'm like, okay, my baby has to have a hundred foods before he's one and I'm keeping my list and I'm going to show everybody on [00:26:00] social media that he did these things and then I'm going to do family meals, XYZ and all these textures and flavors. It turns out he turned into a toddler and then he became particular about what he ate and I'm like that's totally him, right?

That's his personality. He's he's just a very particular toddler and now four year old. So there's a lot that's out of our control so we can do the things. But ultimately, we have to find what feels good for us in feeding our babies and whether that's purees or whether that's baby lead weaning.

Fine.

Trish Ware: And the other thing to note is that if what you choose to do is overwhelming you and stressing you out and you're not enjoying it, it might not be the right path for you. No matter what it is, from breastfeeding to solids to purees to whatever.

Erin Moore: And you can have a baby who's on Pouches.

There's a lot of different variety of pouches these days. It's not just like everything's applesauce based. [00:27:00] There's a lot of different flavors and nutrients and you can do your own kind of puree progression until your baby, until you feel more confident in that and then offer some small finger foods that can be easily mashed in the tongue and the roof of the mouth.

And that's okay too. That's a great approach. Yeah. Just

Trish Ware: keeping it simple for you.

Erin Moore: Just doing what feels good. And if that's buying all pouches and store bought purees, great. That's totally fine. And if that is homemaking every puree and controlling that and doing different textures and flavors, fine too.

Or baby led weaning, that's fine too.

Trish Ware: I love that. And then that's definitely mine too. I can't tell you how many of our moms like feel such guilt when they just, mental health wise, cannot continue breastfeeding. And I just hate that then they see the shame on social media. I,

Erin Moore: my big message is you are not failing you no matter how your [00:28:00] baby is fed.

If your baby is fed, you are not failing like your baby's going to thrive because they have parents that are loving them and they have parents that are going to give them opportunities. You're going to teach them and push them and help them thrive. So yes, it feels really. really not great if you plan on it going one way and it goes a different way.

And there's a lot of guilt and there's a lot of shame. But if your baby's fed and you love your baby that's really what your baby needs.

Trish Ware: Yeah. And if you even say fed is best online, you're gonna get reamed out. And I really hate it because the message is, you're important too. And it's their choice like that.

I breastfed all of mine and that was my choice.

Erin Moore: And sometimes you get the choice, sometimes the choice is made for you. What I hope for every single parent and every dyad is that [00:29:00] if breastfeeding is your goal, I hope you get the support you need so you can accomplish your goal. If Your method of feeding your baby, like you said, is your constant source of anxiety or constant source of like depression, or you can't function in your daily life because you're so stressed about feeding or you can't enjoy your newborn or your baby, then something needs to change and then getting support in that too.

Trish Ware: Yeah. And I put myself under I look back now and I'm like, Trish I wish I could go back to her and say, girl it's okay. It's all right. You're doing the best you can. Like I just really beat myself up and I spent a lot of time anxious and overwhelmed instead of enjoying that time. And it's,

Erin Moore: I see that all the Just all the time. And it makes me like, I'm sad. I'm sad that even if people want to formula feed or if they feel [00:30:00] like it's best for their baby okay, my baby, we've done all the things and my supply is not going up or I'm triple feedings. I talked to some moms who've been triple feeding for six months.

And they're like, this is six months. I'm not exaggerating. Like people do it for a very long time until yeah. It just. The expectations are so high, and they're so hard, and I just, I feel like maternal mental health is just as important as how a baby is fed.

Trish Ware: Oh, 100%.

And what's so maddening Oh, I could just go off on this. Then you see these moms who end up, they have like major postpartum psychosis or whatever, and really they needed to get help and maybe be on medication that's not conducive to breastfeeding for their safety and their family's safety, but they're shamed.

There's so much that plays into that and it needs to start with us just supporting one another. And yes, like you can. [00:31:00] You can lovingly say, Hey here's what I've done and here's how I've done it. And I can support you in that, but if that's not what you choose, then I'll support what you choose.

Erin Moore: Absolutely. And I think that finding providers who support that and don't push their own agenda or don't make comments about it. I I, I hear a lot about People that talk to their pediatric providers or moms that talk to their pediatric providers and they're like, Hey, I'm really suffering.

Like I'm really having a hard time. And they're like you got a certain breast is best. And. Yes, to an extent, breast milk is great. Nobody's denying that it is the recommended source of nutrition. But there, there's just a lot like that. It's just not as simple as just like And

Trish Ware: having a healthy mother is pretty damn important.

Yes. And having a mother who's thriving. And I think back through my own journey after having babies and I know [00:32:00] now that I was struggling with some postpartum anxiety and rage. And I had baby. And what my kids really needed was their mom mentally healthy because I affected them all in that.

And I just, yeah, it's just really, it's sad honestly that we're not at a point where we can recognize that women need to be supported as long as they're not like harming their child. Yeah. There's a, there is a point, but. Yes. Anyway, I could go on and on about this, but I would love for you to share with everyone where they can find you.

I know you said in the beginning, but just to like recap that.

Erin Moore: Absolutely. So I am most active on Instagram and my handle is babyfeeding. coach. And then my website is www. babyfeedingcoach. com. And I do a lot of what we talked about, which is I do consults on infant feeding when things are not going as [00:33:00] planned, or if things are going great.

And you just want somebody to validate, that's okay too. And then starting solids. What does it look like if you're breastfeeding and starting solids? What does it look like if you're formula feeding and starting solids, or I want solid like purees to baby lead weaning or finger foods.

And I'm terrified. So what do I do? So you can message me through my website or on Instagram and I'm happy to chat.

Trish Ware: I love that. Thank you so much for coming today and thank you for what you're doing. It's impactful and I love that.

Erin Moore: Yeah. Thanks so much for having me.

Trish Ware: What a powerful podcast episode. I hope you guys hear us when we say this is your journey and you have every right to make the decision that works best for you. As always, hit subscribe, leave a review, and I'll see you again next Friday. Bye for [00:34:00] now.