[00:00:00] Jalisa Johnson: So I, before you turned on the cameras for the world, you got on the camera and you like, Oh, what you got on? And I said, This is my gear. This is, this is me. Like, You know, I was like, Is that, am I wrong? Because this is how I'm showing up, right? 10 minutes ago you was a debutant. You had on your fanciness, your hair was all done, and, and you was like, No, I gotta change up.

[00:00:22] I gotta match your energy and I gotta match you. And I loved that about you. And every time you showed up those five weeks that I was in my hoodie in a dark listening, because I'm a listener, I'm a problem solver. So you have to have that. Spirit, Right? Every time you showed up, you still pushed me. You still, you know, even in the background, you would text me and you would send me notes for a week, like you didn't do your homework and I would send you.

[00:00:54] You know, all kind of messages and excuses, but you always showed up to match us, and you kept the ladies engaged so that I wasn't a distraction, and they tried to engage me and I shut 'em down and, and you just never gave up. You just, you, you understood that there was something bigger to unlock, and once you got it, It was gonna be no stopping me.

[00:01:23] Welcome to

[00:01:23] Christy Rutherford: Why She's Winning with your host, Christie Rutherford, a master of office politics and self care advocacy. Christie's clients have received over 10 million in salary raises in a pandemic. Surprised that women are still getting paid during these challenging times. It's possible for you two. You can have it all.

[00:01:44] If you believe you deserve it, Christie and her guests will assist you with that, let's get started. Welcome, welcome, welcome, everyone. To why she's winning. My name is Christie Ruthford, and today I have the amazing, the incredible, the phenomenal, the brilliant, the gorgeous. The next tech, tech billionaire, Julissa Johnson.

[00:02:12] So lemme tell y'all about Julissa, right? Quick. Hold on.

[00:02:21] let's get this buyer right quick. Let's get this buyer right quick. Y'all know how I do? Oh Lord, that thing is no. All right. So Jaleesa is the c e. and founder of Virtual Emerging Technology Solutions in 360 Health Net. She has been providing technical consultation and solutions architecture work for information technology broadcast.

[00:02:43] Okay, girl, I'm right, but, oh, 20 years. She moved to DC 15 years ago to work for NBC during their digital conversion as a contractor. Since then, she's moved on to working primarily in contract roles, supporting government agencies, and bringing converged. Everybody knows that I read people's bios like at the last minute.

[00:03:04] It's, it's right here on the screen. Hold on, let me, let me find a Julisa was just featured in for y Y'all gotta check out this article.

[00:03:13] Jalisa Johnson: Right

[00:03:13] Christy Rutherford: here we go. She collaborated with Keanna Gainey and founded Secure Tech 360 in 20. By 2015, sales rose to 1.7 million, and the firm added major clients like the department, the D Department of Health, and the US Department of Homeland Security.

[00:03:31] She also found that virtual emergent technology solutions, a minority woman-owned information technology consulting firm, specialized in formulating IT architecture solutions in 2015. Their primary focus is on cloud migrations, application modernization around emergency management and healthcare. It. And there's so much more to discover about Julissa.

[00:03:55] So Lisa said, Hey, somebody else, y'all gotta tell me who the LinkedIn, the one that said Julissa at all. Cap. You got your privacy settings, we can't see who you are. So go ahead and let us know who you are, but welcome toa.

[00:04:09] Jalisa Johnson: Wow, thank you very much. That was, that was nerve wracking. .

[00:04:15] Christy Rutherford: Wow. I just, I mean, I could, we could been here for an hour trying to get this bio to talk about all your greatness.

[00:04:22] But here's the thing. That's what I wanna talk about. Right on. Ooh, we, This is gonna be so good. I ain't gonna make you nervous. Julissa. I did send Juli the questions ahead of time. It is my goal to work to stay on this list of. Said hello. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Lena. That's Lena. Lena also on the line. Okay.

[00:04:48] Your squads showing up. Oh, Kim's on that too. Okay. I'm right. Ja got her squad. We celebrating in the beginning. We got, we gotta give her her balloons while she hit. So, Julissa you know, we met, I, I guess we're working together like two years ago. We met a couple years before. So what was going on when we reconnected about two years ago?

[00:05:07] It was last year. What was going on when you said, You know what, I need

[00:05:10] Jalisa Johnson: to do something different? I had no clarity really, about my future and I felt unsettled. Mm-hmm. I was questioning a lot of things in my.

[00:05:24] That's, that's my answer.

[00:05:31] Christy Rutherford: You was, I was, I, That's, that's a answer. So we keep this one clean. I'm right now being unclear and unsettled. Great. And then when I met, Years ago, whatever you, maybe five years ago I told you that you were a billionaire, right? Straight up. Like, and you're the, and typically anybody who follows me long enough, y'all know, I give women their, their values.

[00:05:58] And some people think that I'm full of ish when I tell you that you can go from two 10 and I be like, Oh, your value is 600, or you should make a million dollars. Glee's the first and only person that I said, You're a billionaire. And I didn't say it to it it straight up legit. And then when I saw her reconnected, reconnected.

[00:06:15] It was like, you're a billionaire. And so the goal is what do we need to do to get you to own that so you can be that, so then you can use that to change the world. So what was that like? Cause this ain't on my special sheet. When, when somebody professions that you're a billionaire, Like, what, what, what were you thinking?

[00:06:34] About me? We can say that in public though. ,

[00:06:36] Jalisa Johnson: Truthfully,

[00:06:40] I spent a lot of time, I, before getting into your cohort, I spent a lot of time ducking the mirror for accountability for things, for things I just, you know, was unsure of. And I felt like I was all five bodies on the family feud. Like I. Right there, me duplicated five times answering all questions and bombing.

[00:07:07] I never made it, you know, to that 22nd countdown. So I, I think that I didn't accept that. I didn't, I had, I was clouded with so much, you know, ability to do things and, and focus on things like, you know, being successful or what that looks like. That. I never, I couldn't, I, I could never accept that, you know, or own that.

[00:07:33] And that's where I, that's where I kind of thought when you said that, like, what Be crazy .

[00:07:42] Christy Rutherford: I was Wait for that part. Yes. I'm a little special out here in these streets. So here's the thing, You're, you're like, a lot of women, high achieve women, we're bogged down and we're busy, but we become busy with, with other people's.

[00:07:56] Or we become busy with other people, other people's priorities, and then that takes away from what we are supposed to be doing. So I, I love to tell highly success women. That is because at a certain point, yes, we're successful, but then there's so much more. But we start to own other people's stuff, and that clouds our ability to be able to fully own the next level of who we are.

[00:08:21] Because you're successful. Oh, you're awesome. But I was like, Yo, there's a whole nother level that you can achieve if you choose. Right? And that's where free will comes in. So I, I love to talk about you, you in, you showed up, right? You wanted to work with me one on one at first, and then I was like, Jaleesa,

[00:08:46] Jalisa Johnson: Go ahead, tell the story. Join the.

[00:08:49] Christy Rutherford: I, I'm not, I'm not doing one on one no more. Join a group and if you don't like it, you was like, I wanna join a group. I want you one on one. And I was like, No, join a group because it works. What was surprising to you about the group of women that you met? What and what was like There was resistance and there there's always resistance.

[00:09:09] I talked to a lot of women to this day that won't work with me because they won't choose to join. So what was that resistance? And then what was surprising to you when you started to meet

[00:09:18] Jalisa Johnson: some other women? What was the resistance? The resistance was being vulnerable and talking about things that I'm uncomfortable talking about with other people in my mind. , you were like therapy without, you know, judgment, without a pill box, without a prescription pad, without the notes. And it was personal. And I wasn't, I wasn't there.

[00:09:47] I wasn't, I didn't feel like I was there. I felt like I was, I needed to talk. I needed some coaching. I needed some direction. You know, from other successful people, but you know, that comes in a box and, and I'm in a box, you know it's not that it was hard. I, I am a problem solver, right? And I didn't want to feel like I was being solved or like someone was trying to fix me.

[00:10:16] And, and, you know, you put me in a room with 20 women, especially women, because we have. Negative. You know,

[00:10:28] they put us in a negative box to say we don't get along. And I don't have a lot of women friends or colleagues. I'm very, my best girlfriends are machines. I talk to them, Right. And that's how I saw you. I almost saw you like a. . I mean, you are, you are a machine. You're right. I said, don't change my mind about that.

[00:10:54] You know, that's how I see you are a machine, so you are to fix me and I don't wanna be fixed with other people. And, you know, but I wasn't intimidated, but I had some insecurities. And if you wanna, if you just get naked with yourself, which I've learned to. I had some insecurities and sitting in a room full of the top echelon of African American women, or brown women, whatever you wanna call it, I mean, that list was heavy in that room.

[00:11:26] I mean, that cohort was lit. Like, you, you, you have the best of the best in your program, and I didn't know why I was there. I didn't feel secure. But once I got in there, those was my sisters and we had the same struggles and we had the same problems and just on a different pallet. We all was painting, but it was real.

[00:11:53] It Yeah. I hope I answered that. You,

[00:11:57] Christy Rutherford: you did, You did. That was good. Right? Like, because we, a lot of us high achieving women don't wanna be, Right. And we don't wanna be fixed by people who we really don't know. But this is the challenge, is that we have this deep rooted stuff that we're carrying around and we don't trust a lot of people with it because if they break it, then they break us and then it's, And then it's gonna mess us up.

[00:12:25] Right? And so I wrote down, I wasn't trying to fix you, I was trying to free you. Right? That's what we do. So it's. Is there is no judgment. And to be in the room with other high achieving women who bad ass you be like, Okay, so we all got something. Right? So that, that alleviates, I think the guilt that we have of, we have a lot and we have all this success, but then we got some stuff too that we can't address and we don't wanna let anybody touch it.

[00:12:57] And a lot of. stay there and they stay stuff. Or they, Or they, I wanna cuss or they Da m near die like I did , to then get back up and be like, You know what? I only wanna talk to high achieving women because we're the ones that we know. We need help. We know we need somebody to come in to tinker with the deepest parts of who we are.

[00:13:23] We know we gotta be vulnerable, but we don't. And I almost died in that. So now my goal is, is to come and, and give super women a place to rest and say, Come on. Says, come on over here. Sit down. Let's, let's talk about it and let's free you to the next level of success. Because who we became up to a certain point, it worked for us, but we got a let of stuff go in order to catapult.

[00:13:46] So what was, I would say an an aha moment

[00:13:50] Jalisa Johnson: for you. You know when you

[00:13:52] Christy Rutherford: got your breakthrough because you showed up, you know, we like to say Jasa was in

[00:13:56] Jalisa Johnson: the corner with a hoodie on in the dark. . I'm still in my hoodie. I represent all the time,

[00:14:02] Christy Rutherford: right in the dark, in a hoodie for weeks and wouldn't say nothing.

[00:14:08] Jasa, you got something . Nope. And then one day you was like, You know what? I think it was after the fifth week, but you kept showing up. So there's a difference between some women that, that, that we work with don't wanna change, you know what I'm saying? And they're not moving closer. So it took, it took time for you to be able to trust that we wouldn't judge you.

[00:14:31] And then it was like, All right. But everybody's on their own process and their pathway, and I like to let people know, this ain't cookie cutter cuz we got seven souls on the line. Seven different women, several different challenges. Framework is the same, the challenges are different. But what was surprising to you after you got your breakthrough?

[00:14:52] Or what was that breakthrough moment for you?

[00:14:56] Jalisa Johnson: I'm just going to go back like a half an hour, 10 minutes ago. And because it's important. that people understand why, right? So I, before you turned on the cameras for the world you got on the camera and you were like, Oh, what you got on? And I said, This is my gear.

[00:15:14] This is, this is me. Like, you know, I'm like, Is that, am I wrong? Because this is how I'm showing up, right? And even in the article that, you know, was written in Forbes they had did a whole photo shoot and I was all dressed up. And I hated it. I'm like, I hate that picture. And we did another photo shoot and I just, I said, I have to be Julissa.

[00:15:36] This is Julissa. Like the whole world sees me and I don't care where you see, This is me and I needed to be me. And the thing that I loved about you is that you can change clothes. Like the audience don't know that you was just debutant out. Like you 10 minutes ago, you was a debutant. You had. Your fanciness, your hair was all done and down.

[00:16:00] You had on a good outfit, your good, good clothes, your Harvard clothes. You was Harvard ready, and you was like, No, I gotta change them. I gotta match your energy and I gotta match you. And I loved that about you. And every time you showed up those five weeks that I was in my hoodie in the dark, Listening, because I'm a listener, I'm a problem solver.

[00:16:24] So you have to have that listening spirit, right? Every time you showed up, you still pushed me. You still, you know, even in the background, you would text me and you would send me notes for the week, like you didn't do your homework and I would send you, you know, all kind of messages and excuses, but you always showed up to match.

[00:16:47] And you kept the ladies engaged so that I wasn't a distraction and they tried to engage me and I shut 'em down and, and you just never gave up. You just, you, you understood that there was something bigger to unlock and once you got it, it was gonna be no stopping me. And that's the difference between. Me showing up in you.

[00:17:18] Showing up. And that's the difference in you, you know, And shout out to your program because I've been through cohorts, a lot of them, and there is no other Christie Ruthford in this world, period, that's gonna show up for women and unlock us and take the risk that it takes. to have these high achieving women really respect you.

[00:17:46] Yeah. And what you bring. And that, and that's what the difference is. Like right now. We, we match an energy and I, and I loved it. So that's, that's, that's it. I love that scripts. For a record, I went off script. ,

[00:18:02] Christy Rutherford: Jaleesa got a team now that holds her accountable, which I love by the way. She's like, Oh my people.

[00:18:07] My people wanted questions. I was like, What? You got people? All right. Which is also so here's the thing.

[00:18:15] How do I wanna frame this one? Yes, I did. I had the black shirt on first. You already see that I was about to put that silver necklace on that I got from my friend, and I was about to drive out,

[00:18:27] had on that sweatshirt. This is a shirt that I had on the first, and then I was like, Oh, cause you got dressed up a little bit. And then I took it. took that off. Put on another T-shirt. Right? Put my head bad on you said, Oh, you are really about to do it. Oh yeah, we about to, we about to be matching on here.

[00:18:42] So, So this is the thing about

[00:18:44] how do I say this? So many people wanna feel superior to other. You, you know what I'm saying? Like, I, I, I'm gone out with people that energetically want to chest bump me to see who's the best. I, I'm, I'm so far beyond that because I know that secretly inside everybody's hurting. And the reason why you trying to chest bump me right now is that you're in pain.

[00:19:07] And I'm, and I'm not going to stoop to your level to try to, to, to run down the roster of how great I am, because y'all really don't wanna pull that, scroll out. I'm just saying if we got to pull the scroll, You going loose. But I think there is so much compassion and I have compassion, and now you have the compassion.

[00:19:24] And other women have the compassion. Because once we, once we hear our own stuff, then we can have so much compassion for other people because we're no longer in pain. And a lot of times when we are in pain, sometimes we're looking at, what about me? You know what I'm saying? And we praying for frivolous stuff when really the real miracle is for you to forgive.

[00:19:48] because once you can forgive yourself, you can forgive everybody else in the world who's done you wrong? The hardest thing that we could do is look in the mirror and say, I love you and I forgive you. So what shocked you the most about yourself once you broke through and, and had that, broke, that breakthrough and came out on the other side?

[00:20:10] What was, what was shocking about? About who? Jas. was, or I would just say who you are,

[00:20:20] Jalisa Johnson: that I actually like these women and I really actually liked you. Like I like I loved these women. These are my sisters now. Right. And I was human. I literally could feel, you know, from listening to their stories. For five weeks of being like the creep in the back room and listening, I, I'm a vision.

[00:20:46] I see things better than anything, right? So I could picture their pain because I felt it, and I also had my own pain, and that it resonated with them. And for the first time, I was able to pinch my skin and feel like a human and remove myself out of the data. and get out of this machine that I built around me, you know, so that I could feel and, and really think about the things that hurt, you know, allow myself to sit in that and allow myself to

[00:21:25] open up and allow myself to, you know, to be vulnerable even to these women and, and to. And yeah, I'm not getting messy with this. That's it, That's my answer. All right. We ain't, we

[00:21:40] Christy Rutherford: ain't gonna get, we ain't gonna get you messy around here, but here's the thing, right? Heads strong women and I wrote about it yesterday just briefly in a post.

[00:21:48] We don't feel anything . We in so much pain, we've learned how to put a protective shell over who we. and just go for it. You know what I'm saying? Like we crushing goals, We crushing, you know, whatever's in front of us. We getting the degrees, we getting the money, and we just going for it, and we don't feel anything.

[00:22:09] And people criticize you. Then people start criticizing you. Criticizing you because you going for it, which then puts another layer of pain because we don't wanna fight. And I. . When I was in the Coast Guard, I mean, I had some friends who really knew me, but at a certain point of my height of pain, I would just prefer that you not like me, because if you like me, that means that I had to let you in.

[00:22:32] I would just prefer, I would say something to people, so they would be like, Ugh, who is that chick? I prefer, I'm in so much pain. I prefer that you don't like me, so then I don't have to be vulnerable for you to be able to hurt. Just hate me straight up and didn't care and would be cussing about it, , you know what I'm saying?

[00:22:57] That's straight up. Don't like me. And they'd be like, I like you. I'd be like, Oh my God. Now I got to, Now I have to test to see whether or not they're worthy because I had a wall up to rot. Wallace Electric fits, and I'm standing there with a knife in my hand cuz I'm gonna try to cut you. I really don't want to let you.

[00:23:18] and we deserve better than that. You know what I'm saying? Like, we deserve better than what we were giving ourselves. And it's so many women walking around doing that. So

[00:23:32] last thing, we don't feel, and I remember, you know, managing my critics, it's a full-time job, right? Somebody stabbed me in the back. I be like, Did you say something? And they be like, I just stabbed you in the back. With a five inch night, I feel nothing. I'm existent, but I'm crushing it. You know what I'm saying?

[00:23:50] And I'm Christian Ruthford and I'm doing all these things. And so now that you feel right once, how has your life changed? Cause once you broke, you know, it's like the damn fell open and you like wiped out. It's amazing to watch. And I, and I will say I go down as the greatest coach ever. For breaking this chick open, ever.

[00:24:14] So I let everybody know. So how has your life changed after you open up now you feel now you you know, you have harmony with self. What is, what is that light now on the other side of it? .

[00:24:29] Jalisa Johnson: It allows you to really rectify things, you know, in your life that, you know, I had an incident recently and I said to my mom, I need to get that phone number.

[00:24:40] I would, I'll just be in a shower sometime. Like, Oh, I need to fix that. I mean, I need to call that person and I need to fix that. That happened 20 years ago, but I can't go down without fixing that. And even with my daughter, you know, That was, that was a hell of a thing to overcome. And my sisters in that cohort, we worked through that, right.

[00:25:02] But now I'm not trying to fix anything that's broken. I'm looking to move forward and, and rebuild. And even with myself, I'm a, I'm a work in action, but it's really important to address. , you know the things that you're hurting from and not be afraid, but not all. But also that no is a full statement.

[00:25:26] And we worked through that with a couple of people in the cohort, right? And no is a full statement, and it's okay to say no. It's okay to say no to even people who you may feel like you owe them something because it, it gets played out for a long time. , but loving people where they at is really was really important to me.

[00:25:49] And loving myself and giving myself grace, you know, for the work that I was doing. And

[00:25:58] having a village, being able to now say, I have a village, I, I have no excuse for ill behavior, I have no excuse for having a lack. I have no excuse for not having answers because I have a whole village, and that's the first time in my life that I have a village and I can acknowledge that it's not on me.

[00:26:22] I have a village and I never did that before. I, I didn't, I didn't pay attention to personal relationships. because like you said, they didn't mean anything. You know, I was better off by myself and now I'm better off with my sisters and my, and my blood sisters, and my daughter, and my mother, and even my pops and my friends.

[00:26:48] I now have friends. Like I never really looked at people as friends. I looked at them as objects that I had to nurture. Or maybe you called me, I'll be like, hmm. Should I answer this? Or what do they want? You know, you just be on what do you want? And I, and I've done it so long that it's bec it was a habit.

[00:27:07] And now I look at my phone and I'm like, Oh, I'm, let me answer it. I'm looking for people to call me. I'm looking to have conversations. I mean, just being on camera and doing this interview is a breakthrough. Like, I don't do cameras, right. But I own, you know, the greatness that God has given me in a for a long time.

[00:27:26] looked at it as maybe some burdens almost. But ownership is really important. And putting God first is, is really big in my life. And God didn't give me these things to be bashful and shy. I'm, I'm here to, you know, be a testament, you know, to his greatness. So I. And I also wanna just say, cause I'm on camera right now and I know that my daughter's watching that.

[00:27:51] I love my baby, I love my babies. I got my grand babies, my little king that I would not have had cuz I definitely wasn't having no more kids. But you know, that's, it is really important for me to acknowledge that my family has stood by me with all the things that I've gone through in life. And and they have sacrificed a.

[00:28:13] You know, and sometimes we don't think that, you know, people are making a sacrifice, but we are climbing this ladder. We're like, you know, kicking things down. Like, get outta here, move over. But your, your family takes a hit, you know? And our, and our pain to grow and, and be who we wanna be. Our families take a hit.

[00:28:29] And I just wanna, you know, say that. I'm getting wishy. Sorry. GE

[00:28:37] Christy Rutherford: wait is what is happening right now. This is,

[00:28:49] that's what I'm about now. One. I'm proud of you for that cuz this is a stretch, like one jaleesa. Getting on this interview is a stretch, stretch, . That is not, that is not unknown to me and anybody who really knows, which is only a few people. Right. Cause even though you now have sisters, we have to, How do I say this?

[00:29:15] We hold you in high regard because we can hold ourselves and we can't. It's okay not to let everybody. because everybody don't deserve that, that that nucleus of who we are. We've learned that already. Right? So when I think about what you were saying, that when you would look at your phone and be like, you know, who is this?

[00:29:35] You know, what they want is because sometimes we surround ourselves with people who need us, right? And then we become, then we become hell hostage to a situation that we created because we needed people to need us to validate who we are. Now you're being drain. and you don't have anybody who can share at you at the same level.

[00:29:57] So we always have these and that, and it's not good or bad, it's just people who always need our gift. But at a certain point, ladies, we got to rise up. We gotta let some of them people go and then rise up and then be able to do the equal energy tree. That's refreshing as opposed to exhausting. So now you're like, You know, I need to pick me up.

[00:30:18] Let me hit one of these sisters. It is. . That's not selfish. You know what I'm saying? Some people call that selfish. I call it discipline. I ain't got it. I don't have it for you. So one more, one more question then were gonna get outta here. Cuz I, cuz her time has expired. Julisa, like, how long this thing ?

[00:30:37] Jalisa Johnson: No, I'm good.

[00:30:38] I'm good. I'm in, I'm sitting in this with you.

[00:30:41] Christy Rutherford: All right. Jo said Jo's one of our recent I wanna say graduates, women, women who have completed the program killing a game. So she says nice to hear how you are now living in the fullness of life. You're entitled to well enough of the work. So, you know, you're not only a an inspiration to millions of people around the world, but also the women who are coming out of the program.

[00:31:01] Cuz I always say it gets better with time. Like, you know, the first eight weeks or so is just so us to set you free from yourself. But then over time, you know, the, the expectation is you can't go. . It's how do you now enhance and increase your life and become better and better and better. So let's talk about this billion dollars right quick.

[00:31:22] Cause I like to prove myself right? So you know, she ain't got it yet, so y'all to be knocking on her door, calling her. Cause you know how people call rich people. We'll announce it, y'all, They're seeing it fors. How did the, the, the difference in, you know, we talked about earlier when you thought I was crazy when I said that you were a billionaire to.

[00:31:40] You know, what is your belief around that now and what were some of the things that happened to kind of confirm that I was right. Let's just, let's just put it out there

[00:31:48] Jalisa Johnson: it's just like once I unlocked my own truth and I stepped into the, my destiny and started really paying attention. The work we have been doing and acknowledged, you know, some of my errors, some of my faults, I was able to like just put it behind me. And then it is like the whole world, my vision, it's like I got new glasses on.

[00:32:10] I mean, I got like trifocals and I could just see something different and when you looking at something and you dark inside, it doesn't matter. The lenses that you got on your vision is, And, but when you clean up inside, when you clean up house, it starts inside. When you clean up house, it's like God just opens you up to his beauty and says, I've, I've created you, you know, to, to be in this land and I've given you things to maneuver in this land.

[00:32:44] And when you learn that what God has set in front of you, you gotta be like packed land to eat. And I just started taking up property, you know, I was like in Monopoly, like rolling the dice. I want this, I want this. And when I say I want something out, I just take it because God gave it to me and I embraced it.

[00:33:06] And I don't look down on it. I don't say, Why do I have it anymore? I say I got it cuz God wanted me to have it. So, you know, in building things and, and moving. I was always bashful about, you know what God has given me. I was always wanting to be in the background and I mean, even my sister, even yesterday my sister said, You and Forbes, like you need a sit in this.

[00:33:28] Like stop thanking everybody else. This is your moment. I said, I have a team behind me that sometimes has to be in front of me, so it's our moment and I don't need to. Everyone's shying away just for my own selfishness because when you grow like that, you don't grow alone by giving me a team, a village.

[00:33:56] So sitting in that is like easy for me now, Like I can just go say, I'm getting that, I'm getting that. I'm getting that. I call my team, but I'm doing that today. They be like you today. We doing that today. And it's not me doing. It's me delegating. So now I'm in a delegating position versus a do it position.

[00:34:16] And when you start learning how to delegate and stop yelling and screaming, cause I'm always yelling and screaming and I do set it off. I do, I'm passionate. I set it off because I have such young people on my team. I believe in what they call underserved. I call it on. , Right. I believe in that team and I bring them with me, but they need guidance and, and now that I'm unlocked, I feel like I need to, I feel like I just be taking people, you know?

[00:34:45] I be like, Come on, come on, let's do this. You need a job. You need a job. And I don't know, I don't sometime know where the money gonna come from, but God provides, you know? And, and I feel like that's a bigger gift now, is that I could see things in people that I only saw in machines. I wanna, I wanna bring people up, I wanna help people.

[00:35:06] I wanna, you know, help the next generation. And that's how I sit in it now. It's like, this ain't about me anymore. This is about showing God off. And, and that's how I look at it now. Woo.

[00:35:21] Christy Rutherford: You said so much. Let me see if I can unpack one of them bags and them gems that you just dropped on the ground.

[00:35:30] whenever people choose cuz it's a choice, right? Free will to shift from. What about me to what about us? You know what I'm saying? Like you were provided for you a boozy before we met, but you don't wear your bougie under there. You bougie, you got nice stuff. You like a tech, you like a tech bougie. I'm like a, you know, living in a nice place.

[00:35:54] but . But here's the thing. Now you say, and, and you didn't even, you didn't even want people to know, Right? Because there was like, I got it, but there was I wouldn't, it, I wouldn't say shame, right? It's like you were, you weren't connecting to the things that you got until you started connecting that God wants me to.

[00:36:16] right? And the science is getting rich. He said, It is God that wants you to eat fine foods and see nice artwork and wear fine clothes and drive fine cars. He ain't say cars. Cause that was cars when he wrote that that me to have this place on the beach, in The Bahamas so I can serve at a higher level.

[00:36:35] God wants you to have nice things. We're taught that he doesn't, So now you're like, Okay, if I have nice things, great. I want. But I'm also doing it for other people to bring the, with me. That's when you stop working for a check and then you allow provision to come and you can't outrun provision. You can't outthink provision, You can't outspend provision.

[00:36:59] You say, You know what? I have a greater vision to change the world, which is what your company is doing, which is what the intent of everything that you do is to provide greater healthcare. To, to, to underserved communities. You think God is not gonna pay for that. We're too afraid to act largely. Don't hesitate to act largely so you can be greater for other people.

[00:37:21] He will provide for you, not for you to just drive a fancy car. I'm not saying talking about you, right, but people just want money so they could be greater. I'm like, why don't you get out the way and go dream about making somebody else greater and your house has to be taken. . So that, that's the shift is from a check to provision.

[00:37:41] When you say, I wanna help the next generation, God say the heck of the money right here, heck of the money. And you're not taking it. Like, I just, I just need 10 cents. No, just gimme a hundred dollars. You're like, man, I need a billion dollars. So last question and then we gonna wrap it up. I appreciate you on this interview.

[00:37:59] It's so good. I appreciate this. I said to Lisa, you about to be billionaire. You gotta come on here and practice, get any in, in front of these cameras. I am pleased and very honored to be the person to escort you in front of these camera to get on these interviews cuz you about to be billionaire. What advice do you have for women or men who are listening that are resistant to changing even though they want, like a lot of people want the external things to change first.

[00:38:22] If my job change, I'll be happy. If I get this house, I'll be. What advice do you have for those two questions? Actually, people who are resistant to change, and what advice do you have for people who think that if their external things change first, then

[00:38:35] Jalisa Johnson: they'll be happy?

[00:38:41] My advice to people who are resistance to change is that if you can't change, how can the world around you change? And if you. If you can't step into your destiny, it ain't gonna fly up and just put you in a plane, you not gonna just get in that G six and you don't have no hoverboard. That just going to fly you in there.

[00:39:05] You have to be willing to step outside of yourself and, and, and looking at that. Look at that man in the mirror. And if you can't look at yourself in the mirror and makeup and all you doing is faking up, like every day you walking that mirror and you putting on makeup, that makeup come. . You know, that's like a bad date.

[00:39:26] You go home with somebody, but that ain't the person you wake up with, right? So you gotta be able to do your internal work. It starts inside. I, I know from experience that you have to do the work inside of here. Your heart has to be first. Your internal thinking, you, how you feel about yourself has to be first and most people, you.

[00:39:53] You could have all the plastic surgery in the world, you know, you could be the biggest star stars in the world. Look at Michael Jackson and, and Whitney Houston. But these are people who are insecure. These are people who was hurting inside and it caused them calamity, you know, destruction and, and if we don't fix inside, we all are going down that.

[00:40:19] until we fix inside. And I, And that's what you have to do. I have to do the work. I'm still a work in progress. Every day I have to put on my CR hat and be like, You doing the work? You're the greatest of all time, you know, , every day you have to really be like, you know, reminding yourself of who you are and your gifts.

[00:40:41] And when you think about taking the next step in. The first step is who am I? Who do I wanna be? I don't wanna give away Christie's program, Go through the program, you wanna get fixed, go through the program. I ain't gonna give away all the jewels that you learn in the class, but you definitely have to step into yourself and and take accountability.

[00:41:04] Accountability. So that's the answer to both those questions. Okay. I

[00:41:10] Christy Rutherford: think. Now I, I that, I mean, that's great when I think about, you know, what you're just talking about, but if y'all want to check out and get on our newsletter list and get my free case set, you can go to change Now with Chris INow dropped it on that we're, none of us are perfect, right?

[00:41:26] Like this is, this is the thing. We all think that, or we condemn ourselves because we're not. when we're holding on to baggage and stuff that, that we won't let nobody touch. Does that make sense? Or we know everything. I, I wanna write, I was gonna write a post today, talk about the hardest women that I, that, that are to, that we work with right now are women who know everything you know and got all these degrees.

[00:41:50] But like you, you know everything. But really, once you forgive and you let. And, and then you don't condemn yourself, and you forgive yourself, and you release yourself, then we really know. We don't know anything . That's one. And there is no such thing as perfection. It's just I'm here to do the best that I can do.

[00:42:15] That's why I don't look down on people. I don't condemn people. I don't be like, Oh, she should do, you know, she should want this or not. It's like we're all work in progress. So when you have grace for. Yourself. You can, you can offer grace to other people. And, and, and, and this is the thing, Julisa, we need it cuz so many people are out here in the world hurting.

[00:42:38] How can we extend that grace for ourselves? Set ourselves free so then we can do the work that we're called to do. So, Y'all can also go to the superpower method. I have to get mad@thisthing.com to join us at my pre-event tomorrow, the superpower method.com. I'm gonna be yelling for about four hours. It's gonna be great.

[00:42:58] So somebody asks julisa to comments, What's the shirt that you're wearing? What's the shirt that you're wearing? And how can how can the, the, the people who are watching right now support you in anything that you're working? .

[00:43:10] Jalisa Johnson: The shirt that I'm wearing is an animated that's the Cyber Heroes.

[00:43:13] It's an animated series that provides representation and emerging technologies for the underserved communities. That I like to say again, is on preserve to make sure that we are not written out of the metal. So that our children and the young people can learn these technologies that they're not introduced to.

[00:43:34] So we give we do these animated series to teach and really leverage making sure that we are written into these meta worlds and not written out of. And um, what was your second question? I'm sorry. How can, how

[00:43:50] Christy Rutherford: can anybody who's watching right now support anything that you're working on? I know you, you have a a found.

[00:43:56] Jalisa Johnson: Yes. My secure kid.org is our 5 0 1 c 5 0 1 C three organization. So anything that we're working on, you know, we do a lot of training and education giving back to the community and you could support us there. We, you can find that link at again, my secure kid.org, where you can donate and make these wonderful, generous, Don.

[00:44:21] To the next generation support our programs for youth and inner city kids. That's where you can help me the most. Julie, I didn't have that. Perfect. I gotta get better on that too.

[00:44:35] Christy Rutherford: It's all right. It was good. It was good. Don't hang up though. But we year it, we urinated. Said disconnect from everybody.

[00:44:41] Julissa, thank you so much for showing. Sharing your insight and your information. Welcome, welcome to the world of interviews as you propel in your greatness and getting in front of these cameras. The billion, the billion dollars is just a byproduct of you changing generations around the world, right?

[00:45:01] Like, it is not about the money, but we want our money. You need the money to change the world. I mean, that's, you know, I would just say that in, right? Like when I say you're a billionaire, which you are, it's not about. Okay. God is gonna be a lepro con and gonna hit you in the head with a billion dollars.

[00:45:17] It's like, no, you got work to do. You have intellectual property and, and, and businesses that are inside of you that need to come out to serve people. And then the money is the byproduct of that. So so that's my last thing. Don't hang up. Everybody's blowing you up right now. Take care of everyone. If you got on late and you missed the beginning, go back and watch it cuz Jaleesa is amazing.

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