today's podcast episode, we are going to be talking about window installation

details.

it's something that we probably will take a lot of pride in.

Mm.

and that probably one of the

most important parts of the building.

and I guess it's so dependent on the type of window

that you work with.

and the finish you want, and I reckon to go through this episode, it's almost

like we need to break it down into timber install an LUC Cloud install

and A-U-P-V-C install because it's so

different.

I,

Yeah.

But I also feel that there are

some similarities across the board.

I mean, the thing that immediately comes to my mind is where that glazing

unit sits within the thermal envelope.

Yeah, I think a lot of the, like if you think about a.

Brick veer building normal buil home.

You've got your frame and then you've got your bricks.

And your bricks obviously sit 40 mil off the frame, 40, 60 mil off the frame.

And what you're doing in a lot of situations is pushing the

window out because you've got the big timber reveals Yeah.

Into that void to, so you don't have a dirty big gap around the,

you know, where the bricks are.

'cause you're obviously not most of the time, not turning your bricks in

and you've just got 110 mil brick.

So you think about that glass, that glass is sitting in air.

And the other, so this also mention that this

is we're probably gonna just talk about new builds today.

I think that's maybe a whole nother retrofit window installation

topic.

but the basic part of a window is we're cutting a hole in our envelope.

Not all windows are windows as

well, so there's no point buying a window if

it

leaks air.

Um, I

mean, I I would argue that all windows are windows if there're a window.

Yeah.

They're not

all equal though.

Like

they're not equal.

But I think when you're talking about window installations and, and what

you're actually asking a window to do, I think that's important to consider

before you're even worried about,

you know, is it PVC Ali Clad?

Yeah.

Agree.

Timber,

you know.

'cause when you look at a house and you talk about your control layers and with

a window, we're really talking about three different control layers that

we're asking this window to be a part of.

It's part of your air control layer, it's part of your thermal

control and it's part of your

moisture.

Yeah.

Your external moisture control layer.

And

it's, you know, looking at it in a way that all three of those things

have continuity at that window.

Could you also,

it

it's also dependent on the

location.

For example, if you're gonna be right near near.

the water or on a top of a hill that you got huge, crazy, no protection,

like is timber windows the best

option for that?

For that?

Do you add that in there?

Like the choice of

material

you're constructing is also I think

the simplicity of like explanation window install, I think

let's just be ambiguous of what that window matter.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Okay.

A window's a window.

Like obviously there's different

reasons why you would choose different.

Types of windows.

Yeah.

there's

aesthetics, there's

bow requirements, there's

Yeah.

Budget.

Yeah.

So we have a, win.

we have a hole in our

wall.

what

is the first thing you do?

Well, I mean, let's also

just

hang on for a second.

Let's think about why we're putting a hole in the wall.

But what, why don't we just build a box with no windows?

It perform very well.

It would perform well.

But why are you thinking about like why we have windows in, and then why are

we then going actively cutting a hole?

In the windows?

So

there's one is to bring the inside to outside, which is biophilic design.

That's the first.

with Yeah.

So

perfect.

The The second, I was gonna say views and see what's out there.

Again, same thing, natural light just to bring some natural light into

the building to illuminate the home.

I would say it's another one.

It's passive solar

principles,

And some of it could be, uh, the health of the omen from a

mental health point of view.

There might be a view out to the south.

and,

Ventilation is another one.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ventilation

Yeah, topical, but you have the Opening windows.

Connecting with nature again.

Yeah.

so so we all agree

we're not just gonna build a black

box or a box that's gonna be dark inside we're gonna put natural light on.

We want to put holes in that.

in that wall frame.

But then it's when we're putting holes in that wall frame.

How are we installing it correctly?

And then how are we managing all those three control layers that Brad was talking

about?

as a builder, carpenter, you rock up on site,

Holland in wall.

Let's assume that it's, it's

wrapped correctly and you just got this box.

Now

what?

But I'm thinking about the window install

as I'm marking out the wall frames.

I think you're thinking the window window

install at design stage.

Probably, yeah.

Yeah, and

I think

there's this really great balance of, like you think

about it

at design stage.

Be don't also want

overcomplicate a design stage, like as an

architect, like sometimes when we get, like when the architect's

trying to draw the details, how the air tightness layer is

gonna connect to the internal, you don't need to do that.

We'll work that out on site.

Like you can't document that.

That is almost

impossible sometimes.

I

would

say that there needs to be some

there.

there.

needs

be just a basic sort of drawings of where it's gonna

sit, how it's gonna sit.

Is it gonna be an easy reveal?

Is it arch?

Just the basic details, how we

constructed

on site.

We will make it work.

We will get it.

We will get it insulated.

We will get it sitting the right layer.

Just communicate what you want and we'll make

that work.

I think, I think there's also the unfair

expectation on an architect to try and work out where this line's gonna work.

With this flashing

in, we, if you give us the

basic details,

so there's just one little thing

to

unpack there.

If are going for a certified building, and you gotta go to the minutia of details,

But can you work backwards?

Sometimes I've done that in the past where it's like, let us,

it's a very tricky junction there.

Let us install it.

We'll document it and now draw

it.

It

needs to be proven.

You need to manage all the thermal bridges during the So what I'm saying, so, so

yeah, I, I agree with you by the way.

it needs to be designed in, Yeah.

but if you are like, I don't think, if it's not the certified

building.

like, I don't think you need to try and problem solve everything at design stage,

but you need to be thinking about it.

And That's the

key.

thinking about it at design stage from a, from a builder and a and a craftsman

point of view and the designer, but leave some things up to when you get

to site.

'cause you might make some change.

Yeah.

But the things that need to be specified is,

you know, it needs to connect those three layers.

Yes.

And then how you.

Connect those three layers, what you use for those three layers,

is up to us.

Just, Yeah,

it might be a little bit,

and

that's what I mean, like you don't need to be like,

you really need this extra steel connecting to the store tape right here.

Like just tell us.

Make it airtight.

Make it watertight

and thermally perform.

Yeah.

And you might have to do some drawings and

then

maybe what parameters

you've

got

around Yes.

internal

and external

Yeah.

Architectural details sort of thing Window.

Window.

So.

basic for me.

you Great point.

You pull up about at the frame or mark, out stage.

What are You thinking about at that stage.

Well, like what

provisions do you

need to have in that rough opening to fit all of these things.

So if you've got a meter wide window, Brad, are you making that?

Opening

a meter?

wide?

No, How?

Well, obviously you need to have some sort of a gap to be able to fit the window.

Ly easily and not be tight.

And have some room for deflection and and yeah.

able to

Code.

Yeah.

Be able to plumb it up and straighten it and whatever.

In the, in the rough opening, um, we're allowing a little bit extra

space on the bottom 'cause of how we detail the sill of the rough opening.

Yeah.

the

other hardest part is when, like you're setting out and

you've got like that nice neat

plaster joint

just slipping into the side of the window, but it's up against an internal wall and

they, then you're really having to, and then, but then you also, your ceiling

wanting to hit

that

nice plane on the angle to the top of the window.

Like they, you've got two junctions where you can't

move,

move the fucking window away from the

Bit architecturally, We've gotta promote architects being

creative 'cause we get bored.

We wanna be

challenged.

Yeah.

No, no, I'm, I'm,

I'm,

I'm hearing you.

but if, if, if all of a sudden there's, there's no wrong or

reason for window to be jam into a corner, I'm like, move that out.

'cause that right there is

just, yeah.

So if you, if you're talking about like how you get an ideal window install?

Yeah.

Don't put other shit in away.

that makes it harder than it needs to be slope

still or no

slope still.

no

slope still.

I love this.

Well,

Well, I don't slope the seal.

I use a silver pan.

Yeah.

Alright.

So I'm

a massive, advocate.

I only on the last one on my

house,

we, we, for the

first time sloped the seal at five degrees.

We had a

leak.

And when you shot that amount of water and look

that it's a amount of water that was so unrealistic would never

happen in real life, but you

sort of

get past

the tape, but what you saw it did couldn't get up that ramp.

So it would then.

Fall back down.

And that to me is like, you need

sewan or You need something that is gonna push that water

away.

Yeah.

You have

to

create a pathway.

Yeah.

A very evident pathway for water to go.

Totally.

can I, can I, can I comment on this?

Yeah.

And I I love all of this, right?

And you know what, Rory and I have talked about this a lot.

Like I look at our window installs with the back dam and the excess

seal, and it's tap up the silences taped to the top corner, and then we.

We take the windows to the bottom and around, I'm just like, water is

never fucking

getting

in.

there?

in.

You'd be so surprised.

Do you, Have you actually pressured testing with water?

Like

when do you, when is someone,

do you?

Yeah, but, but, but, but it's not,

that's gonna identify a leak that you can repair, right?

Yeah.

But say you get a really small

leak that you can't, that you can't see.

Yeah.

And makes its way into the cavity, your air tight.

So you don't have that air movement, that air to dry things.

things out.

It gets

tracked

and

you know,

so when you do a blow or test, why do you go around looking for leaks if you're

already at 0.6?

well, ego's probably a part of it, but you also want to know if you've got any

bigger,

yeah.

You said it before another podcast.

Have You got

you said it before another podcast.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So

it's the same principle.

And if

you just get a water and throw over the windows, you're testing, we go back.

to,

We test, Yeah, no, I know.

test, we tested it.

Right.

But I guess, I guess for me it's like, okay.

And I'm not saying don't do it.

'cause I, I, I think it is

a, just a bulletproof way of, of, you know, making sure that, um, you know, you

never get more water egress into building.

And we are potentially digressing a little bit here, but at what point do you stop?

I had a message from, um, Sean Tasie, builder Bug the other day, you know, when

I was showing some details around the window and he goes, what are you doing

for your bug mes above your windows?

I'm like, why not Yeah.

doing anything.

I'm like, There, There, there, has to be a point where you draw a

line with, um, managing things that are gonna get in and outta your building.

And yet we did a VE mesh on the bottom.

'cause that's easy, right?

Yeah.

Because that's Plus it's like probably the the most common place.

Exactly, Yeah.

The

rats gonna crawl up

and go around and get up the side of your window.

Like it's just not probably gonna happen.

So

I mean, I think, I guess the point I'm trying to say is like, these

things are good to think, about.

particularly bush fires you've gotta do that kind of stuff.

I get it.

it.

But I think we need to draw a line somewhere.

And I'm not saying it's not at Slope Seal.

I'm saying that I think it's a good idea.

Okay.

So I'm being devil's advocate here and ask.

I also love the thought though, but that's a, that's a great part of

where building's at at the moment is 'cause people are actually

thinking about it So it is better than having the thought

of, what are you doing there?

They being like, I don't care.

Whack it in.

Fucking put a nail in and off.

Okay.

She'll be right.

So say we don't slope the silver and we just slap it in there, there, right.

Flat.

Yep.

And even if you've put it in

level

mm-hmm.

It's timber.

Like timber.

timber's shit.

Yep.

And it's getting shit up.

Yep.

What's to say?

It doesn't do this or cut or bow or bow and inadvertently not just sit flat,

but track water back inside.

Well, What if the house

just moves in the foundations?

It goes from this way, that way.

And that's my argument

with one and two degree roof.

What if

the house sinks

and

that one degrees is now an

opposite to

one?

your, With your, with your five degrees slope, Yeah.

are you allowing for house movement back the other way so it then goes level?

What, What, What happens if it goes over five degrees and it's flooding?

Well, then you're in,

you've probably got bigger shit.

Look, we we're still, sorry.

We're doing the back down.

We're doing extra seal.

like it's, it's.

Pretty protected.

Uh,

look, I'm not saying don't do it 'cause I think it's a pretty, you on a second.

You

are

doing not sloped but a back dam.

Yeah,

back there.

Yeah,

Yeah.

We're

We're doing

back there.

Yeah.

And then our windows are sitting on packers above the back

there, So then we can slide in our, um, plaster reveal or whatever on the inside.

So yeah, we're doing all of that stuff.

The only thing we're not doing

is putting a. Putting a slip.

Celler.

so now you've sloped your silt, potentially maybe,

or done or done a back dam.

Done a back dam.

So back dam.

Just every, you guys use a bit of p, like a 20 mil.

Big.

It's like a little raise.

10. 10 mil, 20 mini.

It's a mini wall.

It's a mini wall.

But yeah.

So these are, these are things that we need to think about right when we, when

we're creating that opening, right?

Because we obviously wanna put continuous foam installation around and we want

to make sure that we've got enough movement for deflection and we wanna

make it sure we've got enough move, like enough gap to put you back down in

and to then pack the window up level.

Yeah.

And enough gap so that whatever insulation you put in there actually

does, goes in and does something.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's, that's the.

That's the other pipe.

If you get a mill of insulation, like how do you get that in?

Like even if you get that little nozzle, just you gotta get, it doesn't get in.

We, we overshoot it now a fair bit just to get it a nice amount.

10 mil are all around the whole thing.

But also it's also the framing around it.

I want go back because there's no point putting four, five

studs around that window opening.

And sitting intel the wrong spot.

If you can do all this work to get your window, because then we've got

all these thermal bridges around it.

Yeah.

And commonly I see this issue on social media, but look at that window

I install and I'm like, I'm just saying look double studs next to it.

But I can clearly see there's no load coming from your roof down.

Why do you need five, six stars and blocks and everything we want?

Minimize the framing around that to improve performance around that window.

I argue you probably don't need double studs.

Unless you got like a trust that's coming on, I a big fuck out there.

Anyway, that's, that's all we, we actually don't do double studs on our one 40 walls.

That's all.

That's all what?

You don't need a double jam stud.

No.

Lot of the time I've been fine.

And what, what are you doing?

Like a single pine stud?

No, just one 40 and then off you keep, you run six hundreds again.

I'm pretty certain from memory, I'm not on the tool.

I just about to say a big call from Matt who probably hasn't put a tool word on for

about, I'm probably gonna go on site, like double stud, double stud, double stud.

Um, but I also said we know rocks up on site's a really important point as well

because this is the moment we're like, how are we gonna get air tight or watertight?

Um, and we've just, we've just got, I'll just talk about my house recently.

We've got windows from Logic House come from Poland.

The system we're doing that now is compared to our B-Q-P-V-C windows,

which I know even since we've last worked with the UPVC, which only a few

months ago, they've got a new system that you can use, which you probably

talk about, but it's now working like how do we seal that side envelope?

Well, we, we pre-prepped everything.

Yeah.

So we prep, prep, prep.

Uh, so the windows come in.

The first thing that gets done is they don't go in the hole.

They get inside and they go into a little workbench.

And then we detail inside and we detail outside with ship.

And ideally, if you have the ability to buy the windows deglaze and glaze

'em on site, one of the best things you can do to get your windows in.

Yep.

Yeah.

And what makes it a lot easier to move them out?

Triple glaz, man.

Yeah, it's, yeah.

It's so heavy and they're so expensive.

The risk of anything getting damaged is insane.

Looking around easy, and it's just, it's really.

I say it's easy 'cause it's just, you need to think about where that system is going.

It's taking the time to put that tape on properly and hear it properly.

Get your little pigs ears in the corner if you need to so you can fold it over.

It's just thinking about like, how can you always make your life

easier once that window's in?

Yeah, I think that's like a good point.

I've had windows before that have come to site.

And they had already taped the PVC frame to the reveal, but they'd used

the aluminum foil tape, which is so junk, so called taper initially.

Yeah.

But so we ended up peeling it all off and, and, and reaping it.

So you gotta really consider what products you are using and

how they all work in unison.

With each other.

I think it's also important to think about the system that's there too.

Like I think like, let's go back to Slope Seal thing for a second.

In my opinion, that's not part of the pro climber system, but the exo seal,

the tape, the back dam isn't though.

Yeah, true.

Yeah.

True Prom tape.

Just to give you reference, if you take inside and out, you should be taping

inside and outside whether you are.

Uh, both air times or not because it creates a pressure

differential between the two.

Yeah.

Alright.

And also from my understanding, if you take in and out, it's equivalent

of a two meter wall high back down.

That's how much water it will hold before it fails.

I've been told.

Wow.

But what are you taping to if you don't have intelli internally?

What you take?

Just probably just take two.

Your studs on the inside opening.

Then I'm, I haven't done it.

I'm just, I'm just saying if you're gonna say that you, this is what

you should be, you probably should.

I guess the point I was making is that it's a system, so it's, it's understand

the system before you just go gungho and go, oh, well I'm gonna put a window

in and I'm gonna put tape around it.

And then if there is a failure, trying to then figure out where you

failed, because there is actually a logical way to actually install these

windows that's documented already.

Because it's the system.

So yeah, there's so many, like, and within these, these are more over or wider,

the lens view of how you did sort that.

Once you start getting into nitty gritty details, like do you use

the clips, do you use the screws?

Do you like what clips can fuck right off?

In my opinion, sometimes they're okay.

They, I, I, I'm, I'm not the biggest fan of it, but they are good.

I like them on the top of the windows.

Uh, because you like, especially when you got the logic house one's

affidavit, you need to secure them at multiple points and you don't,

and if you can't get a screw from the top, like how much you gonna do it?

I actually reckon in that situation, uh, that those little bricks from

click in probably work really well.

Yeah, I have huge reservations about.

Um, I'd love to know why their win capacities and stuff.

I, I mean, let, let's not poo here Poo then all I'm saying is something

like that system would be really great for a big heavy window.

Like a, like a, i, I, I personally don't think they work on new PVC.

But I think on a, on a rigid window like Timber or Ali Cloud, I think they've got

a and well, the other thing, what we did in our most recent job is we actually got

the ALI Cloud profile with the timber.

We put two beads of silicon around or polyurethane around the whole

stuck on a window pine reveal.

Biggest suggestion I'd ever give is like, don't rely on the

manufacturer, give you the reveals.

Just cut 'em on site.

Make them yourself.

Get your windows bare.

We stuck that down, we screwed from the back end.

So it was multiple screw the whole way around.

Now that new reveal that we've got is now our fixing point.

So not screwing through this beautiful window.

Yeah, especially if it's an oak.

Then what we are able to do is you just need the basic story tapes.

We take that in our internal layout, just straight over the, the window of our

window reveal is now the air tight layout.

It also means that our easier builds from Australian.

Yeah.

that that's your, what your, your airtight is on the inside, so, okay.

So you are, I, I see what you're saying.

So you, you're in intelo and then you are taping here.

Yeah, just where the reveal comes out.

And then just take face, like what you do now with your big

PC, you get their nice clip in.

Which I wasn't installation fin.

I was not a fan of it at start with.

Then watching, I'm like, yeah, it does make total sense.

You're just taping straight over it.

Same mate.

There's stuff on our Instagram page, like if you're not convinced,

like it's, it's a game changer.

I was a bit concerned about was it gonna push it out too much and stuff, but I'm,

I do Do you still put in like another fixing on the side somewhere just to

give it a little bit more strength?

Nah, nah.

Boom.

Straight in.

Fix it, like fit it off, tape it, phone fill it.

The thing's not going anywhere.

Do what do you do?

Do you put fins in or do you like the fins or do you I, I

think the fin system's awesome.

But we're not all gonna build our houses with bing windows.

That's exactly right.

Yeah.

You know, and, and that's the thing, you know, we're not all gonna

use, we're not all gonna use pro climber, even the three of us here.

All detail, the bottom sill of our rough opening differently.

Yes, yes, actually.

But yeah, that's actually a really good point.

You know, and not one, well, you could argue potentially

might not being sloped as well.

I, until my house, so just like, just I was the same as you until.

My most recent window install, but, but I think all three of us,

I think are doing the right thing there or not the wrong thing there.

And maybe one's better than we we're now improving on the 1%.

Yeah, we're not, we're not, we're, we are looking at small little things to

improve, but if you think about window installation and I guess what this

whole podcast episode's about like.

Where the window is in the wall assembly, how, what the process is, or the system

that you are using to install the window.

Thinking about those three control layers, I think is really important.

I think they're consistent across.

Every single window sweep you use?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Like how are you managing it thermally?

How are you keeping the water out?

And then how are you managing it for, for air?

So I think the, the thermal one's really interesting.

I think it's the first, you said pain is like that a glass has to be in

the installation lab is so important.

Or you will get condensation.

Yeah.

Like it's, it's not an if it's a when or so.

Yeah.

Insulate ex externally, you know?

Yeah.

There's thermal buck products out there or whatever, if you have to push

it back, but it's, it's understanding and maintaining that continuity.

Yeah.

Now, I mean, this is gonna be, this is a good topic for discussion quickly.

We all insulate the sides and top of windows, and I use a spray foam, and

it has to be closed sale spray foam, because it won't suck in water as much.

It's just a better product.

Do you insulate the bottom sill of your windows?

No.

So I do.

No.

Why not?

Where where are you insulating?

Uh, from the outside.

Yeah.

But yeah, but like, we've already, we spray foam 360 around.

I mean, I, I don't, I don't know how you like, so you are going from the

outside where you've got the, where you've got the slope and then you're,

then you are spray foaming underneath it?

Yeah.

Yeah, because we're sitting up on window package.

So it's waste.

It's not sitting hard down.

I think it's another important part.

Going back a bit, Don, see your window cut down.

So my, my, my response to that is get it modeled if you, if you're unsure.

Yeah.

So we, we've had a model in the past.

It is a thermal breach.

Now, let me also go back to two points here.

Where I'm building is in a city, suburbs, unlike you guys all the time.

Yeah.

So we are quite convinced, quite protected by a lot of other buildings.

So I have the amount of water that's gonna hit those windows

and that's still at the bottom.

Isn't probably gonna be as much as open to where you guys are building.

If I was building a Cape Shade here, I'm most likely gonna live, but I'd also,

so I'd also argue, I would agree with you saying that it is a thermal bridge,

but then I would also challenge you.

Does it matter?

And that's where you, you need to ask, you need ask someone like,

Cameron, can you please model that particular thermal bridge?

'cause every house is gonna have a thermal bridge.

It's the sum of the thermal bridges that are gonna tip it over.

Yeah.

So the thing like, and they add up over a period of time and all of a sudden

have got this cold spot underneath it.

On the flip side, the argument is, well now you're not afford.

Gets in it kind of drain down and away.

Well, I dunno if I could amongst the other, why are you saving yourself?

Just give it that extra.

Yeah.

But then the scope for Instagram too, if, if you, if you have a slope sil and then

you properly manage what you do with.

So say you slope your sill and you set a back, uh, a backing rod.

Yeah.

Far enough in, so when I've set it up, I've got the slope sill with an integrated

back dam and flat packing blocks.

Yeah.

I'll then pack the window, another 10 mil up from that.

Yeah.

So that the bottom reveal to my back dam.

I've got 10 mils so I can fit the nozzle in.

But I actually want to talk to the manufacturers of, of that, about

setting it up differently so that I could put a backing rod in there and

then insulate up to a certain point.

This is what my biggest gripe with spray foam insulation, and

the way most people put it in is put the gun in and, and send it.

And whatever you've done to try and manage the way that moisture's

controlled and you know, directed away is, is now null and void.

'cause you've got no idea where that foam's gone, how much is in there?

Yeah.

It's, it's not something that's, I. That's managed, you know, has to be

a low expansion fund is so key, dude.

Like, but you also need someone who's taking the time to fastidiously put it in.

Yeah.

You know, take, take your time and understand the rate at which you

are injecting it into that cavity.

It's that nozzle, but it, but it is that, but doing a little bit, letting it expand

out, coming back and doing it again and letting that expand out, and then maybe

doing it again, but you gotta let it dry in between and then you cut it off.

Flush.

Yeah.

Okay.

And it's like, you know, we always have these discussions about, you

know, oh, have we gone over the top with how we detail the windows?

This building's never gonna see this rain event.

But you've had it.

How many people have, you've got clients that have pressure washed to

live in daylights outta the side of a building and Oh, so drives me insane.

Like a pressure, getting a hose, a pressure hose, and holding

a hundred mil off the window.

You can get the best window in the world.

Yeah.

It's probably gonna fail.

It's gonna, but you, you can't stop Stupid.

You can't, but if you've set it up in a way, I'm just writing that down,

you can't stop stupid if you've set it up in a way that even if someone

does something like that, you know, yeah, we are all buying amazing window

packages for our builds, but eventually that lifespan of that window package,

you know, things are gonna break down.

and for the little bit of extra effort that we go to, to

slope a seal to manage that.

Yeah.

Are we buying potentially then another 10 years of life?

Yeah.

Maybe out of that building, because when the window breaks down and water

gets in, it's got a pathway to get out.

Is it the window that's ever gonna break down?

Or is it the glass that's gonna break down?

I'm, I'm thinking about all these things now and like thinking

about even just particularly the, the foam around the windows.

I would argue that there's no guarantee that that's perfect.

That, that it's going to be installed a hundred percent how

you want it to be installed.

the fact that we're all sitting here like nerding out on how we're

installing windows is probably a really good indication of how the rest

of that building is gonna be built.

Yeah.

Like if, if you are taking the time to soap your seals, to put

extra seal down, to put back dams to make sure that you are.

You know, managing where your fixing points are going so you're not, you know,

interrupting the air tightness or the, you know, moisture control layer of the

actual window or the functionality of that window that is then gonna expand

out for the rest of that building.

A hundred percent.

' but I think what we can get at is like between the difference

of our windows, like yeah, they.

The 99% is the same window in install detail.

And I think the 1% is there's, it's just the way we've just done things.

And it depends on the type of window, depends on where you're

building it or installing it.

Um, but I think also how we've install windows in the past where you just,

you they're rocking up and they're literally going straight to the whole

fuse screws walk away, job done.

It's not how we should be installing them like you need, like this is.

It probably one of the most critical junctures of the building that

needs to be treated that way.

Probably the most I Yeah, you, you're probably right.

Most critical.

'cause we've all done renovations and we've written windows out.

What's failed, the sill, the corners of the sills rot.

Two things to me that, well, there's three, I shouldn't say me.

There's three things in building that will most likely fail.

One, it's a roof leak.

Why people don't use, uh, a proper external membrane on the roof.

Baffles me, eliminates it.

Yeah.

And just on that, you can't just put fucking proco on your walls and say, I'm

high performance, I'm high performance house, like that's on the roof as well.

I, I, I, I would rather, I'd rather it on the roof.

I'd rather on the roof than the, it'd rather put a pro climber

on the roof than the walls.

The second thing is waterproofing.

Biggest plan.

We have an insurance issue.

Yeah.

Third is windows.

Windows leak.

Again, that's three.

If you can look at those three issues themselves, you know, so, and I would say

to them, one's probably not higher than the other because they're all issues.

So all to do with water, yeah, it's all management.

But you gotta think like what you know, what are you doing as

well after you've installed the window, especially externally and

especially with lightweight clotting.

So you've taken the time to put the window in, you've taped it nicely,

whatever, and then you've gone absolutely fucking berserk with

an nail gun and some cladding, and you've blasted holes everywhere.

You've undo all your good work.

Yeah.

that's a very good point.

I reckon we leave it there on Windows.

' I think so, yeah.

Done.