If you think about what health is, to me, it's the

ability to adapt to your environment. If you can adapt, like

to any certain signal or stimulus or whatever in your life

and your body can have a reaction to it and then return to homeostasis, that's

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superhighway takes us next. The old paradigm

way of looking at health was to focus exclusively on diet and

exercise. If you wanted to take control of your health, it was all about diet

and exercise. Now most people still operate out of

that paradigm. Not you guys, but most people. Not us,

but most people, including most practitioners. The

practitioners have expanded it a little bit to include

supplements and if they're on the allopathic side, then it's mostly focused on

prescription and they may not even look at the diet and exercise

piece. And my guest today is going to sort of

break down what that education looks like,

how it impacts the way that your practitioners are looking at

health, the benefits of it, the rigor of having a 4,

6 year degree and also what's missing, the

reductionist way that traditional

educational systems look at health and how we can move out of it.

So we really dig into what the standard structure

of a health credential looks like, what it covers,

what it doesn't cover, how we can shift the conversation, how we can

shift institutions if we can, and what we

really need to be looking at when we look at health today. And it's

not just diet and exercise, of course, it's. It is how our biology is

interacting with our environment as a whole. So Dr.

Hussey has some great insights on that. As somebody who

followed very closely all of the

standard advice on how to be exceptionally healthy and ended up

having a heart attack in his early 30s. So that put him on a

totally different course. And he has now gone deep, deep, deep into

quantum biology and biophysics and, and has a

very in depth understanding of

heart health and health in general from this new

paradigm, which he has come to

understand by doing his own research, by taking extra certifications

and he is now a faculty member at the Institute of Applied Quantum

Biology. He's written three books and he's an

independent practitioner that is really, I think, at the forefront of doing what,

what needs to be done, which is shifting the

paradigm from the ground up, you know,

which is what all of you are doing. Whether you are a practitioner or a

health coach or a client of one of those people, just by

exploring, researching, applying new ways of thinking

about biology, you are in fact making

the change happen. It doesn't have to. We don't have to wait for

the CDC or the NIH to put out a, a bulletin. But

a lot of those lately, we could just do it, which is really

what's so fun about being in the world. So enjoy this. It's

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are amazing. Have fun with this convo. Stephen

Hussey welcome back to the Quantum Biology Collective podcast. I

think this is this three or Four times, I forget. But it's

always super fun. I love it.

Okay, so I'm going to jump right in. If people want like a

deep dive into Steven's story. I have, as I just said, at least two other,

maybe three other interviews in the archives. You can go to QBCPOD and put in

Hussy H U S S E Y and it'll, they'll all come up. I don't

remember the episodes offhand, so I, I wanna jump right in

because today we're gonna talk about the field of chiropractic.

What's missing, what used to be there

that's not there anymore, your thoughts on the whole thing. So we'll start

off. You were a successful chiropractor.

You'd been in practice for nine years. You were really good at what you did,

you were early 30s and

as one does, you had a full on heart attack

and the trajectory changed from there. So let's start with that.

Yeah, well, just you saying the trajectory changed from there, that's, that's

interesting because it's this thing that obviously most people would consider

this bad thing, right? That happened to me, but it has kind of

turned into one of the best things that's ever happened to me because of

where it took me, where I went to try and figure out why it happened

and the things that I found. And now it's what I'm known for.

And now I'm coaching people through their heart

disease or to heart health. That's what I do for a living now. I don't

even practice chiropractic anymore. I stopped doing that six months ago because this is

what I do full time. So yeah, definitely changed trajectory for me.

And in a way it, it's, what I'm doing now is more

rewarding to me than chiropractic ever was. And we'll probably get

into that and I'll get into that more as we get into it. But

yeah, so obviously it changes trajectory for me because at that

moment in time, obviously I missed something, right? Something happened because

I had always been interested in health my entire adult life, ever since college when

I figured out that I could live my life in a certain way and have

a direct impact on my health, which no doctor ever really told me. I was

like, okay, I can take back control and take the reins on this. And so

I'd always kind of eaten well, as whole foods as I could, tried various

diets. You know, I did paleo, did vegan, did low carb, did

all these things and found what Worked for me. Exercise. I was always

athletic and played a lot of sports, so that was just kind of part of

who I was. But it always kept me active, just wanting to play sports. So.

And people think that that's what it takes to create health, right? You eat right

and you exercise. That's what we're kind of been told forever. And

formal education was no different. It was the same kind of messages

there is that, that you eat right and exercise. That's what. Like in

undergrad, I learned my major was health and wellness promotion.

And in that, if I wanted to go to chiropractic school, I had to take

all these other science classes too, the biologies, the chemistries, all that stuff.

But yeah, in health and wellness promotion, I remember, I mean, I had basic classes.

It was basically everything had to do with movement and food, right?

And that was it. There was no other talk of any other aspect of health

really. Like, to get a bachelor's degree in health and wellness promotion, you

learned about exercise and you learned about food and, you know, that's great.

Those are important parts of living healthy, right? But they're

definitely not the full story. It's very incomplete. And so,

yeah, even then in chiropractic school, you know, I stayed active and

ate well as I could. And in chiropractic school was when I was vegan for

two years, which ended up not working well for me in the end

for various reasons. But I, I mean, I. I'm thinking back

to like, what that education was like. And it was

so, first of all, like, just so people have this context, because we're going to

talk a lot about chiropractic today. There's. I didn't know this,

going to chiropractic school, like I, I went to. My parents took me to a

chiropractor at a very young age. And they said that it helped me with my

asthma. I have no memory of that, of it helping, but they said that it

helped me with that I was able to get rid of asthma later in life

by doing other lifestyle things. But then I didn't go to a

chiropractor again. And probably until college I started to go into one again

and had no concept of this philosophy of

chiropractic, the different, like the divide in chiropractic

or anything like that. So when I'm applying to schools, no idea that there's

different philosophies and different things in schools. We all have the same board exams.

We have to pass the same board exams regardless of school you go to. But

there's really had no idea that like the school that I ended up going

to, which was University of Western States considers themselves one of the

most evidence based schools. They're teaching based off the literature, which

I appreciate that they taught me how to critique literature and read literature

and ways like that. It helped get me a lot of places when I was

reading literature about cardiovascular disease. But yeah, there's like that side of the spectrum

and there's some schools on that side and on the other side there's the very

philosophy based schools which are very much like treat

the spinal cord, treat the spine and the nervous system and everything will

work better. And there's kind of two different things. Whereas this side is very do

what the research says, like treat pain and treat conditions based on what the

research says is effective. And so it's very interesting. Whereas

two different. And then there's a bunch of schools in the middle where there are

varying degrees of either side of those extremes. So yeah, it was very

interesting to have no concept of that going in. And then even

then like at my school they

were very big on, they wanted them to make us as close to primary care

physicians as we could. So what that means is basically any

someone could come in with literally anything and doesn't mean that I can treat that

thing, but I can diagnose it or at least recognize it and refer them out

to who they need to go to. So my school was very proud of treating

us to be primary care physicians. And I noticed was a

chiropractic school. But they, yes, really

seemed to have modeled themselves as a medical school. Yeah.

And a lot of people would say that people who want to practice

chiropractors, they're calling them medi practors is what they're calling them because it's very

much that way. And again, there's no problem with that. I'm not complaining

about it. It's just the way that school's philosophy was, was to be

very familiar with the research. What does chiropractic actually treat as far as these

diagnosable conditions? Right. Whereas a

very medical philosophy it's we have to find a diagnosis in order

to treat something. Whereas if not very non medical philosophy

would be like regardless of what the symptoms are because sometimes the collection of

symptoms does not match up with your diagnosis or a diagnosis that

you're trying to get it to fit. Right. It doesn't match up. You still know

what to do. Right. Because you recognize the same imbalances in the body

that literally cause all. When a body is telling you something is wrong, you

recognize the imbalances that are causing that, and you can fix

those, and the body figures it out. Right. Rather than saying,

I need to know exactly what's going on, have a diagnosis before I can do

anything. So it just to. And I didn't get exposure to that more

philosophical side of things until later because I got this

education that told me that this is the way to do things, and that's fine.

But I've never really. I've never been a person that's

more like, hoorah. Get involved in this thing because I

like it and I want to be involved in this. And it's kind of a

belief. It's whatever. It's all always skeptical to me. Like, I've never been a very

big proponent of, like, I believe in

chiropractic. Right. I think that it's great. Right. But I've never been that way.

I've never been like, yeah, I believe in. This is the best thing to do.

I love all chiropractic. It's all great. I've never been that kind of person.

It doesn't mean that I don't like chiropractic. It just means that I'm not. I

guess I'm not tribal, I would say. I was gonna say it's. It sounds like

you're just not an all or nothing thinker. Yeah. Which is

incredibly helpful because I do see that a lot, Whether it's on the

professional side or even just the other side. Even with light, people are like, I'm

gonna watch the sunrise every morning. And then that's it. I never have to do

anything else again. All my problems are fixed. It's like, okay, that's not what we

said. Yeah, right, exactly. So. So I. I came into things

with that kind of mentality. Just kind of like, whatever. I'm just learning stuff, having

no idea. But then later, having worked with lots of different

chiropractors who went to different schools, I'm starting to

see, oh, there's a whole different way of doing this or practicing this.

And then I learned that there's this huge divide in the profession, which is why

chiropractic, or one of the reasons why chiropractic seems to not

be able to get anywhere as far as, like, politically or

legislatively. Because when state or federal

governments are getting legislation from chiropractic as far as what we can do, what we

can't do, they're getting two pieces of legislation, one from the ICA and one from

the ACA who have different philosophies and the legislators are like, well, what do

you chiropractors want? We don't know what you want, so therefore we're not going to

do anything. And that's kind of a big issue. One of them is the more

medically evidence based. Everything we do comes from the literature. And

the other one being the more philosophical base like

treat the, treat the person and see what happens. Yeah, it seems

to be that's the divide. Now, you couldn't go to a chiropractor though, any

chiropractor, and be like, so which one are you? Because it's all across the

board. That's why you really have to go to a practitioner and see if they

fit with you and see if you like what they do and how they explain

it and everything. Because there's chiropractors that are full

blown functional medicine and they're just taking blood work and recommending supplements and that's all

they do. They don't even do chiropractic. And then there's chiropractors who just adjust the

spine and that's pretty much all they do. Then there's chiropractors who do

all kinds of muscle work or physical therapy or whatever.

Like there's all kinds of things. And it varies depending on the state of what

chiropractors can do. In some states, chiropractors can take

blood work and interpret that, and other. And others they can't. You know, so

it's crazy. Like in, in Oregon, where I went to school in

Portland, chiropractors are technically, at least last time I checked,

they're still allowed to deliver babies, do

proctology exams and gynecological exams. If you do

extra training, you can't do that coming out of school. But under your license,

if you do extra training and you get certified in those things, you can do

them in that state, whereas most other states you cannot do those things

whatsoever. There's even, even minor surgery. Chiropractors can do

that. And so going to school in Oregon, I had to learn all those

things because in the state that I went to school, that was under my

license. So I had to learn them. And to get my state license, I had

to test on those. Whereas in lots of other states you don't have to

get your license. So just very interesting. It's very different. This

is actually very helpful because I always think that you're a doctor and then I'm

like, oh no. And then I go check. I'm like, oh no, he's A chiropractor.

But the way you talk about things, which is how I know he was talking

to you, I'm like, you sound and speak like a doctor. Okay, so

now I'm seeing why. Got it. It's interesting. It's interesting that you say that and

you notice that because I wouldn't know that. It's just my experience that I'm

speaking from. So going through that. Like, I remember, like in

chiropractic school, everybody thinks that. I mean, first of all, the first

two years of chiropractic school are just like medical school,

like a traditional medical school. And the reason I know that is because in

Portland, where I went to school, they had the four big kind

of medical discipline schools were in Portland. They had the ohsu, which is the

medical school, and dental school. They had University of Western States, the

chiropractic school, the National College of Natural Medicine, which is naturopathic school, and then

Oriental College of Medicine. So they're all there. So they had this group called

same. I forget what it standed for, but it was basically students something, something. So

we all got together to talk. People who wanted to come got together. So I

got to know people. Yeah, I was also dating somebody in

the naturopathic program, or I did for a little while. So I got to know

people in the naturopathic program. And then a friend of mine in chiropractic school,

her boyfriend, who's now her husband, was in. At medical school.

And then a friend of mine in chiropractic school, his best friend from college was

in the dental program. So we all kind of got together and. And got to

know each other and compared our curriculums. And the first two years was

exactly the same. Like we're learning all the basic science, all the

physiology, all the anatomy, all the pathology.

Everything was exactly the same. We were taking all the same courses. And then after

that it differed. Right after that, we started adjusting a lot more,

looking at very neuromusculoskeletal type conditions. The medical school

went pretty deep into pharma. The Natural College of Natural

Medicine did. The naturopaths did lots of herbalism and

lots of other therapies. They did all kinds of things. So it was very interesting

to see things change as we were going through our education.

But the reason I say that is because people don't are

unfamiliar with the types of education. Right. And so.

But then when we got. When I got into later quarters and I'm learning things

like nutrition, that was. I had two or three nutrition classes in chiropractic school.

People think that, oh, yeah, chiropractors learned all these alternative ways to do

things. And technically that's true. But when I think back on my

nutrition courses, absolutely terrible. Based on what I know

now, just terrible. No offense to the professor or the school or

the curriculum or whatever, but it was basically just like nutrition

meant to them, supplements. That's what I was learning. I was learning,

okay, we have this evidence for this supplement to do this. You can do that.

And then, like, when I was going through clinic, like a student Internet, I had

to get certain nutrition credits, so I had to recommend nutrition to someone. That meant

recommending a supplement to them. That was my nutrition credit. Yeah. So it's like

a prescription model, but with supplements instead of

drugs. Yeah. And unfortunately, so. So I.

I guess I've always been curious or like, I was going through chiropractic school and

got this education and felt like that's not what I wanted

to learn. It wasn't what I. Everything I thought, there has to be something more.

Right. It can't just be you adjust the spine and give supplements. I can't. That

can't be right. And it can't just be. Doesn't make sense to me to kind

of think of it as a. As a trying to diagnose somebody with something.

Right. Because there's chiropractors that just do sports medicine, and all

they do is treat athletic injuries and things like that. And so

after chiropractic school, I was like, there has to be more. So then my school

had just launched this human nutrition and functional medicine master's program.

So I was like, okay, I'll go do that. Because it was like, partly. It

was like half online, half in school. So I did the in classroom

part, and then I went to Ireland while I finished the rest of it. Because

I went to Ireland after chiropractic school, and that didn't tell

me what I thought I wanted to know. I. It just didn't. It was just

unsatisfying to me. I mean, we. I learned a lot of things. It was good.

Like, we talked a lot more about actual nutrition in that program. We

talked about things like oxidative stress and genetics, but there was a lot more

supplements. Right. And actually, to his credit, the guy

who started that program, his name was Alex Vasquez, and he started the

whole program. He built the whole program. And then the school wanted to sell out

the standard process, which Standard Process is a good supplement company if you're into

supplements. Right. They wanted to take a bunch of money from Standard Process in order

for them to recommend only Standard Process products in the program.

And he was like, no, I'm not going to do that. I'm not going to

sell out. So he left. And I was like, good on him. That's

awesome. You know, so. So he left. But so anyways,

that's kind of my formal education. It was that kind of

story. But even after the functional medicine program, it was like, I'm unsatisfied. I

don't know what causes disease. Nothing told me what caused this disease, and that's

what I was looking for. So you had like this intuitive sense that the

picture was incomplete. Yeah. And then you had

a health event that kind of proved the picture was

incomplete. Because if all of that had been sufficient,

why would you be having a heart attack at 30 years old? Right. Or

so even then, like as a chiropractor, you know, I learned

about neuromusculoskeletal disorders and about the nervous system and things

like that. But the way that I see

that stuff now is totally different than what I think the traditional chiropractor would think,

whether they're more medical based or more philosophical based. But yeah, it was

clearly something that I missed because even then I was eating well and exercising and

all that stuff. And I did that for after chiropractic school for nine

years. And then, yeah, had this cardiac event

seemingly out of the blue. All my testing looked great. There was nothing that told

people this was going to happen, and it still happened. So

that got me more curious and looking into more things

to try and figure out what that was. But it also got me really focused

on heart disease. I mean, I was already somewhat focused on heart disease because I'm

type one diabetic. And so that heavily predisposed me to heart disease

technically. So I've always kind of thought about that. But

this got me really thinking about it, obviously figuring out why this

happened and. And that led me down this path of where I am

now. So, yeah, knowing what you know now, when

you look back at that curriculum, which I think by

general standards was actually pretty good, it. I've

heard, you know, it could have been a lot worse. What was missing? When you

look at the especially western states and trying

to be more of a medical side of things, like that education

was the standard. Like if you go to any medical school anywhere,

like OHSU in Oregon, like, you're going to get that same education. It's just going

to vary a little bit after when we go to treatments, like based on what

you can treat. So, yes, it was very good. And it's standardized across

all chiropractic schools, so we all have to pass the same boards and get the

same credits for things. So. So, yeah, so that was the case.

Very, very high level of education. What was it missing?

Why did I. Why could I not prevent this? Right. Those are answers that I've

had to come to through my own research. I always credit my

dad for this and giving me this curiosity because he's always, like, when

we were growing up, he'd ask us just random questions, and we. Even if we

knew the answer, he'd be like, but why? You know? And so we're just always

having to tell him why about stuff. Or even, like, science

projects in elementary school. Like, we do the product, this is what we got. And

he's like, yeah, but why? And we have to think about that. So it gave

me this curiosity. Fortunately, I have hardly been reading a lot about health in

general. And it wasn't until after the heart attack that I really

started getting into light because I was aware of

circadian rhythm and I was aware of sunlight being healthy and things

like that. But the whole reason this started for me, which

I don't often say on podcasts, was that I didn't. I didn't

know what I was doing right after the heart attack. And I've had this success,

and I've been able to figure out why I was successful and all this stuff.

And that's great. But in the first, I didn't know what I was doing. They

just scared me into thinking I was going to develop heart failure because I just

had a heart attack. Which is the biggest. A big issue after you get damaged

to tissue in your heart is you could develop heart failure. And the only thing

I knew at that time was I was well aware of the research that showed

that infrared sauna was phenomenal for heart failure. And I was

like, infrared light, this is it. So I got a sauna and started

doing that and then just started researching more and more and more. So that's where.

That's how I got onto light was just that little bit of information

right there, and then applying it to all these different things, like, well, that makes

sense because the sun is always infrared light. Anytime it's up, there's an

infrared light. And so I just started making sense of all these things

and then recognize, like, based on your question, is what was

missing? Is that right there. What's missing is that we're

looking at human physiology

and biology from a

biochemical perspective, from a structural and a

biochemical perspective. So even then, I think about it

like as I wrote this book on chronic pain. It's been out a couple

years now, and I'm thinking about that too. People think of pain as this very

physical thing. I think about a physical therapist or a chiropractor. We're

thinking that we have to treat this tissue physically to get it to stop

expressing pain. And that's not the case

necessarily. I mean, a physical ailment can be one contributor

to why someone would have a change in a tissue that would cause the brain

to express a pain signal. But it's.

It's much more than that. There's more than just this physical aspect of something

or the biochemical changes that happen due to the physical aspects of it.

And so as I'm starting to learn all that stuff, I'm like, where was that

in my education whatsoever, all we're learning about? I mean,

I had to take organic chemistry and then biochemistry and all

these courses in college and in chiropractic school, because it was all based on

that. It was just little letters that interact with each other and make different things.

And it was very linear and it was very one step after the other.

And even your labs, it was just trained you that that's the way physiology works,

is that you just one reaction after the next. It's these biochemical

interactions. That's what drives everything. Even like nutrition and even

supplements in pharmaceuticals, they're all based off of, how can we

change the biochemistry? Right? We're looking at nutrition.

We're reducing it down to the nutrients in the food or in the supplement

or whatever that have the biochemical reaction to change this. And so

that's where I think you just trained that. That's the way that it is, right?

And then from a physical perspective, all you're doing is you're looking from the outside

like, I got a shoulder problem. Okay, there's something wrong in the

shoulder. You're not really connecting that and chiropractic. There's a little bit

more of this where you're connecting it to the nervous system and how it's signaling

to the shoulder and things like that. But I've come across other

techniques and philosophies of things that make way more sense from a physical perspective

and how it is about the nervous system. But I think about

it way differently than how chiropractic thinks about the nervous system. So there was just

all this stuff missing. And to some extent it's

understandable that it's Missing because if you're going to bring people

in and give them education for four years,

like you've got to make it this and you got to give them that, that's

what you're paying for. Right. If you try to teach somebody all the things that

I've learned since then in a four year program, that's impossible. You're not going to

do that or be able to very successfully. You're not. It's definitely

hard to standardize it too. Which, that's the thing is you have to standardize. Yeah,

I know. Yeah, you would know that, wouldn't you?

Yeah, yeah, you would know that. There's a lot of moving parts. So it's, it's

like that's what's, what's missing is philosophy of health. Because

if you think about what health is, to me

it's the ability to adapt to your environment. If you can adapt

like to any certain signal or stimulus or whatever in your life

and your body can have a reaction to it and then return to homeostasis. That's

healthy, right? So if we think about it from that perspective,

we can't just think about the biochemical interactions

or the physical things that happen to us. We have to think about every

single environmental stimuli that our bodies come into contact with day in and

day out. And now you're thinking, oh well, that

could be light, it could be sound, it could be

relationships, it could be toxins, it could be movement, it could be food,

it could be whatever, emf, it could be all these things. All

these things are just signals to our body that are telling it to do one

thing or the other, which is a very important concept. Especially when I talk about

how I do chiropractic now. It'll come back, but

we have to look at all of it. And most educations,

medical, chiropractic, maybe even naturopathic, they may be a bit more

broad, but are looking at it from very, very

biochemical perspective and physical tissue perspective,

because that's how you can standardize something. That's how you can make it an education

and make it four years, make it reasonable, that kind of thing. But it's missing

and it's, it's so incomplete that any sort of

formal education on some sort of professional healthcare

practice is incomplete. And it's why coming out of

school today, I think students are just incredibly

ill equipped to handle what we're seeing because

their education's been so reductionist into what is

contributing to all this disease. And reductionist is the right word because it's not

that it's incorrect, it's just like

one layer. But if everything is reduced to

that one layer, then any part of health or symptom

or condition or experience that a person is having that is

coming from the other layers is not going to be addressed. And I'm

critical of functional medicine because I have a master's degree in it, but I'm

critical because I've had clients and people over the years, patients as

a chiropractor, that come to me and say, yeah, I'm professional medicine practitioner and

I'm taking 15 supplements a day. And there's a few issues

with that. One is that that's incredibly expensive for someone to do. But

two is that it's the same philosophy as Western

medicine. You take blood work and you treat the blood work with supplements rather

than treat the blood work with medications. It's not health. You're not going to create

health by that. And the reason I know that is because, and you know,

functional medicine does address environment, they do address lifestyle, and so I'll give them

that. But if you think that 15 supplements is more important than

the environment, then you're not doing a service to somebody, right? Because

you could take all the supplements in the world. You could take a medication, you

could go to a clinic and have a treatment, right? But if you come back

from doing those things or you do those things in the environment

that's giving you the signals to tell your body to be sick, they're not going

to help, right? And so now the

person is just doing these things, thinking that it's helping while not addressing the

actual things that are telling the body to be sick, which means their light

environment or their lack of movement or their EMF or their whatever

else would be their dental infections. What, like, whatever it could be. There could be

so many different things. It's incredibly lacking. And again, at some point

it's understandable because it's really hard. How do you get all that information into

one education and give people a piece of paper that says they can do something

now? That's really what education is. Yeah. Piece of paper. Yeah. And,

and truly, as we were just talking about, there are some

basic ways you can be equipped, but then it needs to be to be an

ongoing process. And I also think that if the

paradigm shifted a little, right? And that's why

I really, you know, God bless the scientists who

invented the term quantum biology, because quantum, to me,

that like, gives instead of just, you know, one section

of the library, it's like the whole library all the books on

all the different things that you've just mentioned have a place on the shelf

if you expand from a biochemical view to a quantum view

and mechanisms of action to go with it, which is always what they're

after, right? Well, I think that just.

You said mechanisms of action, and that just put this whole thought into my head,

because I think that the most important thing that looking at things from a

quantum perspective has given me is that we will

not ever be smarter than nature. Ever.

Right? And so if we think we can be, if we think we

can master the next biochemical pathway, which, again,

is what medicine is trying to do. I used to. I used to work in

a clinic as a chiropractor across the street from the Virginia Tech School of Medicine

and Research. I would get all these PhD students coming in. I'd always ask them,

what are you working on? And they tell me, oh, I'm working on this very

specific biochemical pathway to see if I can create some molecule to change that. Because

it's all, where's the next pharmaceutical, Right? Where can we make something?

And again, very reductionist. But they're trying to change this one

biochemical pathway and think they're going to affect a whole disease process that has all

these complex mechanisms or within a complex

biological ecosystem. So when you look at things from a quantum perspective and you realize

that something can happen and that a hundred different things can happen all at the

same time, and how that makes it almost impossible to predict

what's going to happen, you just have to throw your hands up and be like,

why am I even trying to research this biochemical pathway? Because that doesn't even

make sense, that I'll never be able to figure it out. And,

yeah, like, when you, like I've heard mathematicians talk about it, and like, you get

two things, you can kind of predict how they're going to interact with each other.

You get three, it becomes harder, you get four, you get five. It's almost impossible

now. And we're talking about hundreds of reactions at the same time.

So when you think about it that way, to me it's.

And I've expressed this to clients recently a lot, which is probably why I popped

into my head. It's almost as if we're creating this false

idol that is medicine, that is science,

right. And that this is the standard by which we're trying to do things. And

those things are trying to basically tell us, or we're trying

to using those things. We're trying to tell ourselves that we're Smarter than

nature or smarter than God or smarter than the universe or whatever you want to

say, right? When in reality, what quantum, I think biology

teaches us, you see that from that perspective, is that at some point you have

to kind of throw up your hands and surrender to the

higher power. That is what I would to consider nature, right? And if you put

yourself in that environment, your physiology knows what to do and you're never going to

understand how it's doing it or why it's doing it, but you

will see the result. And so it's not about

me trying to do this science or diagnose this thing that

I think that I can control the way the body's doing something or give this

pill or give this whatever. It's about throwing your hands up and saying, go back

to this environment and make that be your baseline.

Right? And if your baseline is that, then that's a

great place to start right now you've created this as much as you can within

the confines of your modern world. Go back to nature, recreate nature. And that

means that sometimes, yes, we have to use some modern day things that help us

recreate that because we all just can't go live in the woods. And then you

can use some select maybe supplements or maybe this here and there, but your baseline

has to be this. Throwing your hands up and going back to this and

surrendering to that because that's the only really way that your

physiology is going to get the right signals. And what it does with that is

up to the body. But we have to at least give it that chance. And

that's the almost like people ask me all the time, like, how do you know

you're not going to have another heart attack? And I'm like, that's why. Because I

just kind of gave up and said I'll give myself to this

higher power. That is the philosophy that I have. And yeah, I could tell you

all these different things in science about why I think that works, but in reality

I don't need to understand that. I just kind of like to, because I'm curious.

But yeah, I hope that makes sense. It makes perfect sense.

And I think going back to what you were saying, how you were trained on

diet and exercise, diet and exercise. You know, for

women my age, we grew up on that. The adults when

we were teenagers, the adults in our lives getting middle aged,

wanting to get healthy diet and exercise. And so they

see me doing all this stuff and talking about all this stuff and they're kind

of like, what are you doing? And I'm like, everything in our environment

is affecting us, and our environment has

changed a lot since. Since we were teenagers. So. Yeah,

it's exactly what you're saying and what I feel like quantum biology does.

And I'd love for you to give a little of the science on this is

like, give that grounding to ex

a little bit, like, for your dad. Right. Okay. But why? It's like, what do

you mean? Who cares? Like, it's fine. Seems

fine. When in reality, we could be like, we're putting ourselves

in a, you know, destruction chamber every day and not even

realizing it. Yeah. So, like, from. From perspective of, say,

like, some research article. Let's take that. Right. We take this research article,

we look at it. What's the goal of a research article? What are they trying

to do? They're trying to show that this causes this. And you can start out

with an associational study to just see if something's associated. But that doesn't really tell

you much. You have to figure out why it's associated. And then the standard, like

the higher standard is randomized controlled trials. And then higher than

that is the systematic reviews of all the randomized controlled trials. But the controlled

trial is the highest thing because, like, you take this intervention versus the people

who don't do the intervention, and you see if it causes something. And so it's

like, okay, that's great. You. You tried to isolate all the variables

and see if this one thing that they did versus the people who didn't do

it caused a certain thing. It's like, that's great. However, last

time I checked, I'm not exposed to one thing at a time. Nobody

is. And at the end of the day, the way that we're doing research, even

the standard of care randomized controlled trial is fundamentally flawed. Yeah. Because it

can never tell us anything. It can tell us what this study

showed, but that's about it. That doesn't apply to any of us because

we are all in different environments. We've all had different experiences, different

traumas, different whatever. And so you can't really say that. You

can't apply that to everybody. And we're all exposed to multiple things

at multiple times, all the time. And even then, you could say that in that

randomized controlled trial, it's completely. The results are completely void

because everybody in that trial had different environments, you know, did different

things. You didn't control for light, you didn't control for emf. You didn't control for

childhood, you didn't control for car accidents, you can't, like. It'S

literally impossible to control for all that stuff. So, so that's what I mean

by putting this faith in this thing that literally can't give us what we think

that it's going to give us. And we have to put our faith

somewhere else. So from that perspective, without that

philosophy, for me, of, of nature and again,

people who call it God, they call it prana, they can call it universe, they

can call it ether, whatever they want to call it, for me, it's

nature. Without that context, then you can't

interpret what that study said or what it meant, right? Then

you just basically focused on the result of that study and you say, see

this study lowered LDL with a statin and it

created less heart disease. And aside from all the statistical

manipulation that probably happened in that study, like you're taking that

result as the end all but because this is the standard, this is a man

made standard that has been created just like a man made

standard of care has been created through medicine. And that

is us trying to think we're smarter than nature. So

again, I mean you read my book, there's like 750 cited articles of science

in there. So it's not like I'm anti science, I just am expressing the

limitations of it and being aware of those and realizing that if I don't have

this foundation of what nature is, then this doesn't make sense. So

here's an example. So if you look at research on

electromagnetic fields, right? Wireless signals, radio frequency or electromagnetic

fields, and you look at, say you read Andrew Marino and you read

Robert Becker, you're like, this is some things, there's some things here that we should

probably pay attention to, right? But there's also a lot of other studies that say

that it's not an issue, right? They don't get any results. They

didn't get any like harmful. You could argue that they designed those studies

poorly or that there's other variables and you could make all those arguments.

But all that stuff without the context of nature

doesn't make sense. And here's why. Because if you look at what nature

provides us, nature provides us with

a radio frequency on the electromagnetic spectrum of

UV through infrared, right from the sun and that's it. Anything outside

of that is non native to us. And so for me,

if, for historically, revolutionarily, if all we had

was these wavelengths between here and here, anything outside of

that, that's suspect until proven innocent, right?

And whenever we, I mean you read Arthur Fursten's

Berg's Book about how they were studying like electricity came and then all the

radio frequencies came after that. And the things that they saw, those are just

observations, but it's a 200 year observation that every

time that something happened we saw these issues. Right. So

just to, just to clarify. So that is like

electricity came and then there were some major epidemics,

illness. Well, yeah, well, first of all, the early scientists who were studying

electricity and kind of like inventing this thing got sick. They,

they had flu, like viral like illness. Right. And then, yes,

every time we had this major jump in some sort of electromagnetic or radio

frequency thing, we saw these epidemics, we saw these people

get sick. Whether that was after World War I, we all know

that. What was it? The Spanish flu? Was that what it was? I forget what

it was after all of the radio. Yeah, after the radio towers. Because

radio frequency is what came out in World War I. That's why that's

how they communicated. And then radar in World War II and like there's all these

different things. And he tracks it very well. And again, it's just associations.

I'll say it. So you don't have to.5G in the late

2000s. Yeah, I mean that's the latest one. Did we

have an epidemic of a flu like virus after that? Yeah,

exactly. Right. And he traces that really well. And again, it's just

associations. But it's a very consistent association every single time for

the last 200 years. So it's kind of hard to ignore that whether we know

the mechanisms or not. So but anyways, getting back to

like. So nature also provides us an electromagnetic field. And that

is assuming resonance of the earth or the electromagnetic field coming from other living things.

Those are compatible electromagnetic fields. Anything outside of that

is non compatible. Which means the electromagnetic field is created by this

artificial thing we've created, which is electricity. Right. When we do

that, and we put it at much higher voltage than say what's coming from

the earth when we touch our feet to the earth, that creates this field that's

non compatible with us. And so again, that's guilty and

proven innocent until proven innocent in my mind. Because it's not something that we have

been exposed to for historically for forever really.

And so that's just one example. So if you look at this

research and you say, see this research shows that it doesn't cause harm, or see,

this research says that it does, you're tied to those things and you don't know

what to make of those things because there's conflicting results. There

Whereas if you have this foundation that is nature, you realize,

oh, that that stuff's not natural to us.

Right. And so therefore, it's for

me, just as my personal decision, I'm more likely to say, yes, it's

probably the study that shows that there's harm. And then there's all the other issues

with research too, as far as who's funding it, what type, where the scientists

paid off, like, all the stuff, did they mess with the statistics and make it

show a certain thing, which we can talk about all like that, with statins and

everything. But to give examples, there's this again, I'd say, like,

almost false idol in modern medicine and modern

science, and it's taking us away, which is a very, I'd say, I

don't know, like, spiritual or religious kind of foundation. Like, you

surrender yourself up to a higher power, and that's how you find

enlightenment and those types of things. So it's kind of led me to that. And

that's just, you know, one example. We could talk about light as well. The only

light that we get is UV through infrared. So these other unnatural

forms of light, it's not surprising that we're finding that they're harmful. And people will

say, like, why? You know, because we can adapt, right?

And to a certain extent, we can adapt to things. But

true adaptation, I mean, I think from an evolutionary perspective, true

adaptation comes many, many generations. So in my first

book, I talk about this Russian scientist named Dmitri Belyav,

who basically started selectively breeding foxes for docile

traits. And after about 30 generations, he had pretty much foxes who

were dogs. They were like his. He domesticated them after 50

generations? No, after 30 generations, basically he started seeing

characteristic changes, like the fact that their ears were up like this all the time

in nature, always perceiving their environment. They didn't have to anymore,

that their ear started to droop, like is what we see in dogs, right? And

their coat started to change because they didn't need camouflage as much. And then after

50 generations, he actually died, but people continued his work. After 50

generations, he pretty much had these foxes that were like dogs. They were completely

domesticated. And so that shows us that it takes, you know,

30 to 50 generations to get significant changes in adaptation.

And that's with very select breeding. So in nature, it doesn't happen that way.

It probably takes longer. And for humans who have a much longer

reproductive cycle, it probably takes longer to get these true

adaptations to a change like that. And so if you think about how long that

takes and you think in the last three generations

at the most, four generations at the most, the drastic amount of changes we've

seen, there's no way our physiology could adapt to that. And

so it's not like it's adapting enough to just kill us off immediately,

but it's definitely enough to make us ill. And we're seeing the

repercussions of that with a chronic disease epidemic. That's what I mean

by, like, when we change the environment too much, these things are

unnatural to us. Our bodies give us signals. This is not okay.

And we're interpreting, like, the historical way to think about it has been,

like, from a medical perspective is, oh, our genes are causing

disease. Right. And that's not the case at all. Our genes

respond to the environment. If even that's the way it works. I don't even know

from a quantum perspective. I'm not even sure if that's the way it works. But,

yeah, it's all about the environmental signals and how our body perceives them and then

chooses to respond to them to keep us alive and adapt.

If we're constantly trying to adapt, that's what we call disease. Like,

if we're constantly trying to adapt to an apparent signal, that's what we call disease.

You give it a better signal. It's adapting to that. It's easier to adapt to

that. We have health, we have homeostasis. Our technological

evolution so far outpaces our

biology's ability to keep up, but also our

institution's ability to keep up. You know, going back to

your curriculum that focused on diet and exercise, that had

its roots at a time where that might have been enough because

we didn't have LED light bulbs. We didn't have screens in our faces

before we fell asleep at night. We didn't have TVs on in the bedroom all

night. We didn't have wifi. We didn't have 5G. We didn't have

headlights on cars that could blind you when they come

around the corner. Like, none of those things existed and

we are proceeding, or the institutional

education system is proceeding as though none of those things

are having a biological impact. Meanwhile,

the research to show that it is, like,

piling up. People always assume that, like, oh, you're kind of out on

the fringe talking about these things, because the research must be out on the fringe.

No, it's all there. It's just we're not equipped. We

have no mechanisms or structures that are

equipped to update themselves quickly enough. Yeah. To

connect that research to the

people giving health advice to the people receiving health advice

down to like the mainstream understanding of, you know,

maybe turn those LEDs off, you know, in the middle,

when it's the middle of the night. Like that should just be common knowledge. And

it's not because of all these layers that are

unable to keep up with the absolute insane pace

of technology change. Yeah, and not just technology,

but all kinds of stuff that we've seen over the last, I'd say 150 to

200 years. Major changes. But yes, even the last 50 has been crazy

as far as technology. But yeah, and there was that study, I can't remember, I

think it was 2011 when it came out, that was just.

Basically, it found that the average amount of time for

something to get published in the literature to be something that your doctor may tell

you in the doctor's office was 17 years. And that was the average. So

yeah, like all this literature is there and I, I talk about

that all the time when I talk about cardiovascular disease. It's like the

amount of things that I found in the literature that I have never met a

cardiologist she's aware of astounds me, you know, because

I've. Like the work of Giorgio Baraldi itself just throws

cardiology on its head. But it was completely ignored. I've never met even more in

the. No cardiologist I've never met anybody who's aware of him in the field of

cardiology. Doesn't mean there's not somebody, because I don't know all of them. It's crazy

to me that his work is not recognized. But of course it's not,

because if his work was recognized, they would never do electrostens and

bypasses, but they do. So yeah, it's just there's so

much incongruency between what medicine's actually doing and what

the research is showing for because of A, the philosophy of medicine and

B, how fast things are changing. There's just like, it's,

it's crazy. Like a medical school would have to, you know, revamp its whole curriculum

to teach what's actually causing modern disease, even if that was their

purpose, like to try and actually prevent disease rather than just treat it and profit

off of the treatment of it. But yeah, it's just, it's too much.

But it's a good segue based on what you said was that like

even the modern day practitioner now is up against so many different things

that even 20, 50 years ago they wouldn't have had to address or be

aware of. Right. Because there's so Many new things. And like

if you look at some of the early things that, like the early

chiropractors like DD Palmer and the people that worked with him were doing and

the results that they say they were getting, if you looked at that now and

saw A, what they were doing and B, the results they were getting, you'd be

like, this is crazy. There's no way they could do that. But it's

because of what they were doing. But also in 1895, there wasn't

near as many of the problems and changes that we've had today. So

it's interesting about, you know, how

that was possible then, even if it seems impossible today.

It was very possible then. Right. You could, with an adjustment,

probably change somebody's life because that was, that was probably

the main thing going on. They didn't have all of these other assaults on their

body. Sure, yeah. So what was, so what was the early

chiropractic like? What did they do? So I have a good friend, his

chiropractor, who introduced me to a lot of this stuff. So especially

in my program that was very much like I told you, very

medicine based look at the research. What has chiropractic shown to be helpful with. And

we teach that, whereas the philosophical schools, I didn't get much of

that. And so they got more of this background of the philosophy of chiropractic and

what D. Palmer did. But first of all, DD Palmer didn't invent an

adjustment. People have been manipulating people for however

many years, ancient civilizations were doing that. He just kind of formalized

it into what's chiropractic or not even he did, his son did. BJ

Palmer is the one who really formalized it into a career of chiropractic or a

profession anyways. Yeah. So if you

look at like some of the early quotes of the Palmers, they'll say things

like, all you really need is a space and a

patient. And the magnetic manipulator is what he called himself.

And he wasn't using magnet. He didn't, he wasn't like putting magnets

about. Some people do that today. They use magnets. He wasn't doing that. He's using

his hands. And he called himself a magnetic manipulator.

And so I think that he had this concept of what

chiropractic was that I don't even think

maybe he didn't or early, early disciples didn't, or

students. But I don't even think that the philosophical schools have a

concept, a true concept of what was going on. And what he was doing.

Because when I think about it and when I learned about it from a quantum

perspective or quantum aspects of what the body does, it

makes more sense to me on what he was doing and the results that he

was seeing. And what chiropractors can still see today, it's much less common, but can

see today. If you ask chiropractors, I will lecture to groups of chiropractors and ask

them these things. Like, we all see people that come in and they're in a

lot of pain, or they're, they have all these health issues, or they're just like

a disgruntled person. They don't even want to be there. And like, their

wife made them come or something like that. And then we start treating them

and whether their pain goes away or not, they just seem more likable, they seem

more amiable about life. And we're just kind of like,

okay, that's great. And we assume, oh, they must be feeling better, that's why they're

happier or whatever. But when I thought about things differently and I thought about what

de Palmer was saying, originally, it is magnetic manipulation.

And then I learned things from a quantum perspective. I put a lot together.

And so what I think was happening in those early days is that when you

adjust the spine, which is the main treatment that most chiropractors

do, you do a hvla, a spinal manipulation of joints or

whatever, you're creating sound. Obviously we hear sound, but you're

also creating electromagnetic field. You're having a piezoelectric effect that

creates electrons, you know, a streaming potential of electrons that go somewhere.

You're creating light. You're actually emitting. There's studies that show that when you adjust

the spine, more biophoton emission happens in that area.

And so you're doing all these quantum, like things to it. And then

if you understand that the fascia is a communication system for all

this stuff, and you adjust the spine and the

communication system picks up on all that, and it's instantly relayed to the entire body.

And you recognize that the better the fascia

communicates, the more coherent the body is. It's one thing,

one contributor to coherence of the body, which is how synced up

and on the same page, all the systems of the body are all the

cells, all the tissues, everything is. And when you do that, you're creating the

signals that are creating coherence, right? You're, you're improving. You're also breaking

up scar tissue where. Cause scar tissue is a place where the

signals through the fascia can't flow very well. So if there's any around

the spinal cord, you're breaking that up in the spinal cord and the spinal column.

And so when all that stuff's happening, you start to understand that what you're really

doing is you're creating coherence in a system. And

so back in the day, it could be that you get a

couple adjustments and you've created coherence. Now there's all

these things that we're exposed to today and it's

taking a lot more or we're not seeing the same result. Right. Well,

there's things like you adjust somebody, they go back right into the environment that was

making them sick and creating incoherence. And it's like it's not going to matter.

Whereas back in 1895, they were barely having

electricity. Right. So it wasn't even like this situation

where you're surrounded by emf. And now we are. So there's all this stuff.

And so, yeah, so then when you realize that the heart

is what's measuring, it's sending out the electromagnetic field and it's measuring

the coherence of the body internally and externally, what's happening on

externally, and you start to increase the coherence internally

by chiropractic or any other body work therapy. I'm not saying chiropractic is the

only one. There's lots of different bodywork therapies that will increase this. And you start

to see the effects of chiropractic or any body work therapy on heart rate

variability. Which heart rate variability? People think it's measuring balance in the nervous

system, when in reality it's measuring coherence and

it picks up on coherence and sends that message to the brain, sends that message

back down through the body as nervous system balance. And so,

yeah, it looks like because chiropractors are all like, oh, yeah, adjust the spine, you

create nervous system balance. We're balancing sympathetic and parasympathetic. But that's only

through creating coherence. And so that's what's actually happening in

chiropractic. That's why we see the results. And you can relate heart rate variability to

pretty much any chronic disease. If heart rate variability gets better, there's less rates of

cancer, there's, there's better cardiovascular outcomes, there's better

neurodegeneration outcomes, there's metabolic outcomes. It's all of

it. Right. Because we're creating coherence. And that's the thing that

chiropractic is actually doing. Because, you know,

traditional chiropractic philosophy will say, oh, you adjust the spine, you relieve pressure

on a nerve. The brain is. The brain is able to send a signal down

to the body better. And that may be happening too, right.

But in reality, what's really happening is the other way around, is you're creating coherence

and the heart's picking up on that. The heart's sending that information to the brain.

The brain is sending the signal back down of more coherence, more balance in

the nervous system. So that's what's really going on. And I think that's what they

were seeing in early chiropractic, whether or not they knew that or not. But

now, you know, chiropractic has this very

interesting history of being like, chiropractors went to jail because they were

accused of practicing medicine without a license when they were just practicing

chiropractic. The American Medical association, literally,

there were statements out from them that medical doctors should accuse chiropractors of

practicing medicine so that they would get arrested. It's crazy. And then

I can't remember what year it was. I think it was the 60s. I can't

remember. But eventually it went to a court, and the court, I think it

was a superior court somewhere, like, literally told the American Medical association to

cease and desist, that what they were doing was unconstitutional. You cannot do this.

And then finally it stopped at that point. And I think that

over time, depending on which school or which person you're talking

to, to stay relevant, chiropractic had to become more medical,

to a sense, which is. I mean, that's kind of the name of the game

is you have to create this standardized education. It has to be evidence based. You

have to do all this stuff. Even though we talked about the evidence and how,

I think that's false idol. That's the standard by which you have to be

relevant or create relevance to survive as a profession. And

so now we get today these chiropractors that are thinking very

neuromusculoskeletally rather than very quantumly, which is

where I think it started, whether they understood that or not. And that's why

they were seeing the results they were seeing, especially in 1895, without

all the other stuff around them. So, yeah, I hope I described

that well. But, yeah, that's my perspective on what chiropractic was

and is now. It's so fascinating. And I think,

like, for me, the thing that is hard to get my head around,

and I know this for a Lot of people, too, is the idea that all

of the structures that we believed

had our best intentions at heart and all of the

structures that we put our faith in to keep us healthy

or help us get back to being healthy if we get sick

are flawed. I'll say flawed. And I

think over time, even dis. Totally disincentivized for

us to be healthy. Which leaves us in this space

of, you know, you have now

started your own independent practice where you can

treat patients with all of the knowledge that you've collected

as a curious researcher. And it also, I think,

is tough for people to swallow because it does put a lot

of personal responsibility. Right. If my environment

matters that much, I have to think about it. I have

to make the changes. And I'm going against the tidal wave of

culture, which is hard to do. Right. Like,

I use the example of having a home birth. I lived

in Ontario, Canada. There was like, a midwife

was covered by insurance. I learned with my first

child that you had to get on the list, like, the moment you conceived or

the midwives were booked out. So by the second one, I figured it out. I

was in a culture that supported that. With my third child, I

wasn't. And it's. I was living overseas and it was,

you know, I realized, like, I actually don't have the energy to go

counter to what everyone wants me to do in this situation. So I went

back to the hospital and I just use that as an example,

because what I'm hearing from you is that, like,

we do have to take this responsibility for environment, and it's

not straightforward, and it's not what everyone else is doing. And

so to have a practitioner or a coach or somebody at least, who is

supporting you in those choices becomes so important and is helping

you to be that detective. Yeah, I mean, I. An analogy I use

with people, because I'll get on with a potential client and I'll be like, how

do I know this is going to work? Can you guarantee me results? And I

say, okay, so whether or not you went to college, when you go

to college, does that guarantee you in education, they're like,

well, yeah, if you pay for it and you go through anything. I'm like, yeah,

but did you learn anything going through that? What determines if you learn something and

how much you get out of this? So you can pay the same amount as

everybody else, but your education will be very different. Whether or not it

works and gets you where you want to go is very, very different based on

how much you put into it. Right. So it's really on you. Even if you're

all paying the same tuition, paying the same amount, you get out of it what

you put into it. And that means you really have to invest. You can't just

pay and expect someone to give you the answer or fix you.

And that's a very hard thing to face. And it's. I've especially

become aware of how hard that is for certain people with trauma,

because you have to face some very, very hard things, and that's not easy. And

I. My heart goes out to them, and I empathize with them. I can also

be there to encourage them. Then it's worth it. So it's not just environment as

far as having to change things. And, and you may

lose some friends if you decide that this isn't going to be my hard line.

I'm going to change this, and I'm not going to do that. This friend may

be like, oh, I don't want to hang out with you anymore. Okay. You have

to kind of be okay with that. Right. But it's also making you look at

internal things, things that may be in the way of you getting to the place

where you want to be, which is difficult. And those are things that

I've had to learn over time. And working with people, that. That's. That's something that's

probably one of the most important things to deal with. So you're right. It's not

easy, and it's not easy sometimes. It depends because.

Because half of that's really empowering. It's like, oh, man, now I can make the

changes. I'm in control. I don't have to rely on the next blood test or

this medication or what this doctor says, or I can take my control. It's very

empowering. But it's also like, man, now I've got this. This climb

to face. Right. I got this. All these things I got to change about

my environment. I got to deal with things internally, all this stuff. And. And

there's so many resources out there for people to use and utilize

and help them. So it all depends on how you see it,

right? Do you see it as, man, I'm back in control, or do you see

it as, ugh, this is way too much, I can't do it. Yes.

And I love that you said that, because ultimately

it's a gift. If it was just in the hands of somebody

at the top of the food chain in a higher. In the hospital

structure like that, it's locked away. Like, I don't have

that person in my living room, I don't have that person in the, you

know, when I wake up in the morning. But if it's me,

like, the world becomes just infinite

possibility. And I've embraced that.

Going through some deep challenges 20 years ago. And I was

like, no, you know what? I'm just gonna take 100% responsibility for

everything. And people are like, oh, don't be so hard on yourself. I'm like, I'm

not. I'm choosing the freedom. I'm choosing the freedom path. Because

if I could take responsibility, then I get to make the

changes and make the choices. Yeah. And, you know, if they

don't work out, I just make. I'd make a choice again not to get mad

at myself and blame myself. But that's a choice too. Yeah. And it's about, I

mean, it's the same thing. It's like, how long do you stay stuck in a

situation because you're waiting on someone else or you're waiting on some information

or something like that, when a long time ago you could have decided, I'm going

to do this because I'm in control and get whatever you need from

that, having that mentality. And then there you go, you're. It doesn't mean it's going

to be all like sky high from there. It'll be ups and downs. But if

you're the one in control making the decisions and you have the information that

allows you to make the decisions, that's the most important aspect of it. And that's.

So there's something that's completely missing from medicine and from a

formal education is it's more like

the mentality, I feel like, especially of medical education is this is

the standard of care, do this to people. Right,

right. Rather than this is what we think, we understand,

this is the best way we think about it, educate people on this and allow

them to make their own decisions. That's a much different way of

doing anything medical or anything health related. And so

that's. I didn't know that's what was going to happen for me. But, you know,

I thought that I was going to come into this, starting my own business and

coaching people and teach people about heart disease and help them with their heart disease.

But then I realized what I was doing was I wasn't empowering them, I was

educating them so they can make their own decisions and that's what gives them the

peace of mind. So that mentality, that whole

philosophy is incredibly missing from any formal, I think,

education. And it's this beautiful paradox of I'm

in control and I'm surrendered. I don't know

how those two things are true at the same time, but they are. Well, if

you're in control, it's your choice to surrender. There you go. Oh,

Stephen, this has been so delightful. I can keep doing it. And I'm so

excited that you are faculty at the Institute of Applied Quantum

Biology where we are doing our best to put some

curriculum around all of these concepts and

provide that educational structure so that

the, this missing piece can be slotted into whatever it is

that, that, you know, whatever field of expertise a person comes to

the table with. This is like a lens to go over top,

not a replacement, just a widening and expand, expand an expansion

of the view of health that can be taken. And we

talked a lot about research today and you know,

as I mentioned to you, that's the next phase is

we're going to be rolling out programs

so that the practitioners can be pulling research

from the field, from those real life individual and bio

individual interactions so that we aren't completely

reliant on lab data and randomized control

studies that control for all of the things that actually happen in people's

lives. Yeah, there's a really interesting, there's a really interesting

article out there that is published that I've cited in a few of my books.

Maybe you're aware of it, but it's basically, it argues against evidence based medicine

and argues for medicine based evidence. So basically

perfect. That's exactly it. Yes. Yeah. Because it's

basically, it would be more useful if we had this huge database of

people came with this condition or this symptom. Right. And this is what we tried,

this is what happened. Right. If we have a huge catalog of that,

rather than let's try and prove this is a good treatment for something and we

can't do it until we prove that it is. And that's evidence based medicine. Let's

try and make this one sequence of events, this one sequence of

cause and effect, the standard of care for everyone. When we live

in a quantum universe that has infinite variables at

any given moment. Yeah, it's just like my reversal of the plaque in my

leg and how I was able to do that. I just finished writing up the

case, that report for that. We're trying to get that published. But that case was

sport. Like if you had 50 case reports, like that's data.

Right. Even though they're case reports and they're the lowest form of research, like

that's more significant than these clinical Trials where

they try and control for everything, like what worked for this person in this

instance based on their situation and everything. And if we had a bunch of those

things deciding what you want to do for your someone, if they came in with

peripheral disease like I had, then this is ideas of

what you could do. And it worked really well for this instance. That's much more

useful as a practitioner rather than trying to sort through all the clinical

trial stuff that they try and control for and prove that this one thing

causes this. It's. It'll be much more useful. Yeah, please do. We will

add it to the database and I'm excited to have you. We're doing a practice

based research accelerator for people to come in and learn. It's going to be a

good time because Nico Kennedy was saying that she was reading research and

you know, the, the practitioners would implement the

standard of care based on the research and it wouldn't work. And then they'd go

back and the research would be like, oh no. Well, we controlled for this and

this and this. And they're like, well, my patients have all of those

variables in their lives. They're like, oh well, yeah,

yeah, like. Again, like trying to isolate one thing

and from all the different variables. It doesn't make sense because humans are not

exposed to one variable at a time. Sure are not.

All right. If any of them. You'd like to be exposed to any of our

variables. Steven, where can people find you to book a

session? Particularly if you have, if you are a man

or you have a man in your life. It's really worth a consult just

to check in on your, on your heart. Because I

promise whatever you are told is not the full story.

I mean my website is resourceyourhealth.com pretty much everything is

on there. I'm also on social media posting.

When things pop in my head, I get ideas. I post stuff on there. Informational

stuff. Just Dr. Stephen Hussey. Dr. Stephen Hussey. People can

find me there. Amazing. So resource your health.com or

Dr. Steven Hussey on Instagram and all of the big

platforms and you can come and learn. If you're a practitioner, you want to take

the certification. Dr. Hussey is there

for Q and A's and we would love to

see you all. Thank you, Stephen. This was so fun.

I look forward to interview number five. Yeah, I'm sure it'll happen sooner

rather than later. I think so. There's so much to talk about.

All right, everyone, thank you so much for being here.

Appreciate it all. Thank you Stephen.

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