Doctor Stanton Hum is the founder of Future Generations, a global movement normalizing vibrant health through freedom focused care and education to unlock our innate genetic potential.

He and his team have built one of the world's top clinics with an innovative against the grain approach that catalyzes radical healing of chronic issues across all ages.

A graduate of west point with a BS in chemistry, life science, pre medicine, Dr. Stanton was fortunate enough to be selected for an internship at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

After completing Los Angeles College of Chiropractic in 2010, he served San Diego, San Diego with vitalistic chiropractic care specializing in the whole family, from preconception through birth, infants, childhood and beyond.

His own healing journey led to a chiropractic breakthrough in 2013, now known as Freedom Focused Care, which he teaches to an international community.

He also hosts the Future Generations podcast and a prenatal pediatric specialist and informed dad, he leads a worldwide movement that stands for health and freedom for all generations.

Stanton.

Welcome to Here for the Truth, man.

Hey, what's up, guys?

How are you guys?

I'm honored to be here.

Oh yeah, absolute pleasure, man.

One way we always like to kick off these conversations is we want to get a little bit deeper into your personal story, your personal hero's journey, some of the major catalyzing, I guess, rites of passage that led you into doing what you do today and who you are today.

Yeah, man, that's.

I mean, it's kind of crazy.

I was texting back and forth with one of my buddies from West Point.

I graduated West Point in 2000 freaking 25 years ago, man.

Like, it's hard to, it's hard, it's hard to even like contemplate that I'm that old one too.

Like, it's, it's, it's weird, you know, because he's asking me about our 25 year reunion.

You know, I have a whole host of new perspectives on what West Point was.

Obviously you guys are, you know, you, you guys and I are friends with Alec, and so, you know, we share a lot of different perspectives about indoctrination of public education, things like that.

But the last reunion was during COVID and he's like, dude, they took Covid from us.

So there's a handful of guys that actually are awake to what's going on.

But in 2020, I didn't know any of them.

Like none of them at all.

And so because of Alec and because I've been so vocal, I think a lot of these West Point grads and academy grads have kind of Woken up to what's been going on.

So it makes me a little bit interested, you know, because it's.

It's interesting to, like, watch the transformation, but, man, rewind.

25 years.

You know, that was the start of my army career.

I did four years of the academy, five years at, you know, active duty.

I did a year in Iraq.

I did three years inactive after that.

Definitely had, you know, four diagnosable chronic conditions that the military medical complex was like, hey, you're super healthy.

Go back into the world.

No big deal.

You're going to be just fine.

Um, great job, you know, and I was not great.

I could physically do whatever I wanted.

I could mentally do whatever I wanted.

I could put my head down and pretty much accomplish anything, you know, physically or mentally in life.

But I was not healthy.

And I knew it, but I didn't know the roots of it, right?

So I was in Iraq.

And what's interesting, my brother was in his first year of practice.

He graduated in 2003.

That's when I was.

Was in Iraq.

And he sent me.

He sent me three books while I was in Iraq.

He sent me a book on acupuncture.

It's a super good book.

I think you guys would.

Would really dig it.

It's called the Web that Has no Weaver.

Super, super Dope.

And then he sent me a book on chiropractic, and he sent me Joe Mercola's book on nutrition.

And so that started my journey.

You know, as I was in Iraq, I was like, shoot, I'm learning about the food industry and in our dining facilities.

I'm realizing it's all the food industry.

You know, you're just having these, you know, existential crises moments in Iraq, about the world.

Meanwhile, you know, you're getting shot at in sniper positions and all sorts of things like that.

And so what I knew then was that I was definitely getting out.

Number.

The second thing that I knew was, man, I think I knew where my path was going to go.

Like, I had.

I had a little bit of a beacon on what my life could be about because of how, like, how much information I was actually able to acquire through three books on how the body heals itself, on how there's one that's super energetic, super chi focused, you know, like all the different aspects of.

Of energy.

And the other was.

Was similar, but it was like, as I was learning as a layperson, like, there are weather systems and atmospheric aspects of the way that a system works, an ecosystem works.

And then there's also like, the Terrain, Right.

And that's how I kind of use the examples, analogies of why chiropractic and acupuncture and other forms of manual mechanical, you know, material based care versus, you know, some would call it somatic versus like this energy type perspective.

And I was learning that when I was like in my.

Dude, I was like in my early 20s, you know, I was in my early 20s, 23, 24.

And I didn't know, besides being pre med, besides knowing that I was going to go into healthcare to some degree and you know, that, that, that time at Walter Reed was crazy because I was vying for 20 spots, like 20 spots for Med school coming out of the academy out of a thousand candidates.

And I was one of the top candidates.

And then I got to Walter Reed.

Dude, I've seen some pretty cool stuff in two weeks.

You see like open heart surgery.

It's freaking nuts, man.

When you actually scrub in and you're watching them operate on a heart, like it's, it's, it's remarkable, you know.

And then brain surgery, like I thought it was weird that they had a whiteboard with a 2D image and then a 3D human being, conscious being, you know, they get done and they're like, hey, if you, if he, if he talks, we're good.

We're like, okay, and he talks and you're like sweet.

I guess we're good.

I guess we're good.

Who knows, right?

Who, who actually knows now when you understand like the course of how these invasive procedures that life saving and things like that, but then what the course of healing is afterward, right?

I saw orthopedic surgery, saw all sorts of the best of what military medicine could do at the time.

And I came out of it, I was like, I'm out.

Like I went into mechanical engineering.

I didn't go, I didn't stay in pre med because I just didn't, I didn't feel like that was going to be the direction that my life was going to go in.

And I chose to go into the military.

You know, the military does its thing on you.

And got out of the military 2005, moved to San Diego.

So I've basically been here since, except for grad school and discovered that you can completely heal your body and your mind outside of the system.

And I've been focused on doing that for helping people facilitate that since.

And so the thing that I would say is really important to, to note about my own healing journey because basically it was like there was always a foundation of self healing Mine, obviously, I'm a chiropractor.

I'm biased, but that was mine.

You know, in terms of nervous system focused, helping your body passively self regulate better, but then just being open to everything.

My brother would teach me.

So basically, I went from military.

I could run a half.

Like, he was training for the La Jolla half marathon.

Like, dude, do you want to run it?

I was like, yeah, sure.

When is it?

He's like, this weekend.

I was like, yeah, all right.

And I just crush all of my friends because I could just do anything I wanted to from a physical capacity.

And then afterwards, he's like, dude, are you okay?

I'm like, I'm great.

And he goes, no, like, are you okay because you're pretty sick.

He's like.

Like, he could tell, like, living with me for like a.

A couple days from digestive to not, you know, I don't know exactly what he was looking at.

I would say that what he was looking at now is how I look at my patients is like, you can tell when somebody's totally dysregulated.

You can tell when their system is so, you know, toxic.

You can tell when their.

Their systems are not out actually self healing.

And.

And that's started my journey, you know, from yoga to breath work to, you name it.

Like, I was learning it.

And I would say, you know, he said that?

No, I felt six weeks in, I was like, dang, man, I feel like I'm 17 again.

Like, like, before I went to the military.

And then six months in, he told me.

He was like, dude, I think you're my healthiest patient.

And I was like, cool, because I was 26.

And I was like, I'm just gonna do everything that you advise me to do.

Your brother was a doctor already?

My brother was a chiropractor at the time that I got out.

He was two years in practice when I was in Iraq.

And he was giving me those resources.

Yeah, he was in his first year practice, you know, and so for those who are listening and they're your providers, I just want to encourage you that, you know, I teach young providers.

I say, you know, on every any given day, you're far safer and far more effective at getting to the root cause of what's going on than anybody in the conventional medical system.

Some people don't like to hear that in the system.

But a new grad outside of school who actually was really good.

My brother's really good because he did all these, like, postgraduate seminars during his training.

So when he was ready to go into practice.

He was more fired up than, you know, most new graduates are.

And then even still, if you're a new grad, you're far safer.

You're not going to hurt anybody.

Number two, you're.

If you actually just teach people root cause healing, you are going to dramatically change the trajectory of their life.

And I hope that gives some of your listeners who are providers that are, you know, that confidence that on any given day, like we far are so far.

I mean, it's true, it's true, it's just true.

I'm not, I'm not a, I don't have a. I'm not a chiropractor.

I've said for years, like, maybe I'm overconfident, but I said, if you line up 100 people that aren't doing well, I guarantee you I can guide them back to health more than conventionally trained.

MD well, and that's, that's something that, I mean, I told Alec early on, I was, I was really like during COVID that was something that was like a, like a moment for me.

One, because I had already.

I mean, I'm teaching a vaccine workshop here in the next like couple of weeks.

I've been teaching them for now, 16 years of practice, like teaching, teaching parents, especially in California, about not only the gravity of the decision, but it's usually something that I've called the, the most asked and not asked question that parents have in pediatric healthcare today.

And I just have that conversation, right?

But when Covid came around, I was like, this is a hoax.

Like, I immediately, I knew that something was up and that I brushed it off first.

And then when my, when my team told me that people were super scared and I was like, are you scared?

Because this is my team that I trained.

They're like, yeah, a little.

I was like, okay, let's go to work.

Like, we gotta start.

We, we are going to be one of the primary educators.

I just kind of had that feeling back then, back in 2000 2020.

But then I started to see Alec pop up.

I started to see Alec's mom pop up.

I started to see all these platforms.

I was like, who.

Who are these people?

You know, and, and it literally flipped it on its head.

And I appreciate you saying that your osmos.

Because I don't even care that I'm a doctor anymore.

Like, my job really as a doctor is actually to like, I just did like 10 minutes ago, one of my patients, double hip replacement, like all sorts of like, just stuff, right?

He's Grandpa of one of the family members that I actually get to take care of.

We take care of multiple generations.

And he goes to on vacation, he comes back, he's like, hey, I canceled my surgery.

I was like, huh?

Why?

Tell me about it?

And, like, the conversation before he left, I was like, okay, like, let's just talk through this from an informed consent perspective.

For those of your listeners who may or may not know what informed consent is.

It's actually a thing.

It's actually a calculable process to understand things.

It's benefits and risks of the things that you're thinking about doing.

It's the alternatives of the thing that you're thinking about doing.

And then it's the benefits and the risk of the.

If you do nothing.

And if you can actually go through all that.

It's actually what our human mind wants to understand and wants to understand all the potential outcomes.

And that's where you get peace of mind.

That is not mine.

And so I send this patient on.

On.

On vacation, and he goes, man, I'm wondering if I even need it.

I was like, I want you to sit back and think about the fact that you actually asking that question at all, at all is probably a sign that your intuition is probably telling you the answer.

So you go on vacation and you tell me what you come back with on when you come back.

And that's really the goal, right, is that it should be the case that you guys generally lay people, right?

Not saying that, derogatory saying that.

Like, in the old hierarchy of.

Of society, it's like, the doctors are the authority.

The reality is, how do we just give that back to everybody?

How do we give that back to the people?

And I just credit.

That's why I love Alex so much, is that he was one of the first that I was like, ooh.

Like, this is our, in my opinion, our battle.

If we get into, like, the history of chiropractic and things like that, we were, like, literally bred for this moment.

And most of the providers were silent, and most of them were so afraid to say anything because of whatever social stigma from board investigations, from all sorts of things.

And the people who rose were the people who were supposed to rise, you know, which was the people, right?

And so anyways, like, when.

When did you decide you were going to become, like, as outspoken as you have been?

And.

And as you are, and like, how did the, like, I guess the general population of your patients, like, responded to that at that time?

Yeah, good, good, Good question.

In the beginning, it was.

I Knew what.

I knew about what was happening, and I knew was going to point to a vaccine.

I just knew it was.

Yeah.

I didn't know there was going to be passports.

I didn't know there was going to be surveillance.

I didn't know there was going to be AI.

You know, all the things that were obviously, you know, traversing now, which is obviously an extension of what happened in 2020, which is an extension off of.

You go back, you go with Chris Crutchfield and MK Ultra.

You go down the path, you're like, dude, this has been in play for a long time.

Early on, I just put my.

I put my community into a Facebook group, and I didn't talk about.

Because I know how to do this.

I know to have this conversation.

I know how polarizing it is.

I know how families divide.

You lose people the closest to you because of the stances that you take.

And so the initial message was like, guard your heart, guard your mind, guard yourself from the tsunami wave of fear and anxiety that's going to be coming.

That's the only thing that I taught about in the beginning.

And then I would just share information about the tsunami wave, not about one way versus the other.

And I let people kind of start to, like, ruminate on that.

But it wasn't until I interviewed a couple you may know, Devin Rana.

Dr. Devin.

Yeah.

Yeah.

She hosted an event early 2020, and was called the Freedom Revival.

And it was a.

Just the Freedom event with Dell and.

And Bobby back then.

And I think Andy Wakefield was there.

And.

And I was like, dude, Devin.

Because she was.

She's pretty, like, incredible in the world, but in chiropractic, she's one of the top, like, top, like, influencers in chiropractic.

And I was like, how'd you do it?

Let's talk.

I just started the podcast, and I had her on, and she goes, I had five weeks, man.

He's like, when are you going to do yours?

I was like, I had, like, six weeks because I was thinking about having our first heart of freedom.

And she was like, tag, you're it.

And I was like, kind of like, oh, I don't know what to do.

I'm not sure how to plan this.

I don't know what.

She's like, it's like a wedding.

You have enough time as you have, and you're going to take all the time that you have.

But if you know that this is what you're supposed to be doing, tag, you're it.

You got to do it.

And so we Were getting ready for a heart of freedom one, which was 1212, 2020.

We had Lee Dundas, we had Nurse Aaron, we had Melissa Floyd.

I'm not sure if you guys know who Melissa Floyd is.

She was one of the main, like California activists before COVID like back when all the laws were changing in California.

Her and Bob Sears have a podcast called the Vaccine Conversation.

Incredible podcast.

She really helped like, guide me or early on we had Dell and we had, you know, a lot of the people that were just speaking into the that truth back then.

And I had no, like, platform.

I didn't want one.

I didn't like social media.

I still don't like social media.

I still don't really know how to use it.

And I was interviewing everybody leading up to it.

And like from Tommy to Alec to even Dell, they're just like, you're interviewing us, but we're learning more from you.

Not because I was forcing it on them, but because I had a different perspective.

And then they're just like, why aren't you, why aren't you speaking out more?

I was like, I don't know how to do this.

Like, I don't even know how to make like.

And Alec goes, dude, just go on Twitter and make a meme and then screenshot it and then share it.

And I was like, what?

He's like, yeah, like go on Twitter, share it, tag me.

And that's it.

And like, that's how it started.

Like, I didn't even know how to like create a meme, you know, back then.

I get it.

So in the end, I get it.

I'm not very tech savvy either.

So.

So that like started the my platform and it was because these people that I respected that I was bringing out to my event were like, dude, we're, we.

We don't even really know who you are, but you obviously have something to give into this world.

Some way to serve and like, do it.

And that's, that's what happened.

We ended up having, we wanted to have maybe a couple hundred people show up to our event.

It was one of the first in person events.

We took us a while to find the venue.

It was an old TV station.

It is an old TV station building and complex that's owned by a Russian.

One of my team members at time found it and he was like, oh, so what are you going to do?

What are you going to do here?

You know what, what kind of a program is it going to be?

Is like Bill Gates, you know, like, he wants to take over the world.

And we're like, dude, do you want to speak?

You know, like.

But that was what he was doing.

He was hosting weddings and church services, and he created a place where people could come and host.

So we thinking we're going to have a couple hundred people.

And we ended up selling 808 tickets.

And then we ended up having 1100 people in person, like standing room only.

And dude, it was like, it was like a freaking sweat box speakeasy.

And like Dell during his talk, he's like, hey, Judy, stand up.

And it was Judy Mikovich.

She was in the back.

You know, like people were actually coming out to be a part of it.

And then we ended up hosting two more.

We hosted Heart of Freedom 2 and 3.

Heart of Freedom 2 was.

That was 1212, 2020.

Heart of Freedom 2 was March 2721.

That's when all the deplatforming for, for us started to happen.

And then heart of freedom 3 was 1213 12, 11, 2021.

And we had, we had 2200 people in person live at, at Liberty Station.

And it was, it was incredible.

It was one of like I, I, outside of my, my wedding day and the birth of my two kids, like I would say those events were some of my favorite days in the world.

And so it started from just the guy saying you have something to say and if you have something to say, just share it.

And then it's, then it, then it becomes like, who do you know?

Right.

And it's, it's kind of cool, you know, because those relationships are still pretty solid, you know, for the most part.

Yeah, I remember hearing about, I think one of the events and wanting to maybe drive down from the LA area.

To, to go to it.

So that's cool, man.

I actually, I'm really curious.

I want to kind of back up a little bit.

One, when did you first start getting into vaccines?

You know, when did you first go, oh, this thing, this thing that, you know, we're told is the panacea, you know, and it's like safe, effective, all that when you start hearing about that.

But then also, even within the chiropractic community, you have certain chiropractic schools that seem a little bit more allopathic, Western aligned.

And then you have other schools that are a little bit more esoteric.

Yep.

In terms of their belief systems and what some people would say, oh, they're, that's a more woo, woo, you know, chiropractic school.

So can you even talk about that?

Just, even within the chiropractic community, you know how things differ because there are chiropractors that are like super pro vaccine and then you have, they have others that like scream from the rooftops like get that shit out of your body and don't even touch it.

I, I actually pride myself on how much I know about chiropractic history.

Right.

Like I think it is one of the richest histories from a healthcare perspective.

And I believe that the roots of chiropractic are in my opinion, I think the time for humanity and consciousness is ready for what we actually represent.

Now with that said, we've been a divided profession from very early on.

And if you think about Rockefeller medicine, which we took them to court and won, you can research the Wilk W I L K vs AMA court case that up until like the 70s and 80s, chiropractors were getting jailed for practicing medicine without a license.

And long, long and short of it, like over the course of our now 130 years, hundreds of chiropractors were jailed thousands of times for be by essentially Rockefeller medicine.

Right?

And it's, it's wild to think that over the course of COVID there weren't that many of us speaking out to the degree that in my opinion, I think we were kind of bred for.

Right?

So I was reading chiropractic history books before I went to chiropractic school too because I ended up moving to San Diego and then I was just all in.

I was all in.

I didn't do anything.

I got out of the military, had some savings, I grew my hair out to, to here.

I basically worked out every day, surfed three or four times a day and that was my rehab.

That's why I was able to, you know, dramatically transform and heal.

And one of the books that my brother gave me was a book titled Vaccine A by Gary Matsumoto.

And Vaccine A is specifically about the anthrax program.

And so when I went to Iraq, I got five out of the six series anthrax shots.

And honestly at the time I didn't know a ton.

But I saw right back then you saw people resist.

You saw them resist the annual flu shot.

You saw them get, you know, discharged and you know, non meritorious ways and punished UCMJ like, like court cases and things like that.

And so at the end I was like, whoa, there's something here that I don't really know about.

Although I hate shots, right?

But when I read this book, it talked about, you know, different experimental adjuvants.

It talked about how anthrax is just Plain and simply in an experimental program.

And I'm like, reading this, like, as I'm trying to heal myself, but I'm like, holy.

Like, like 911 and pre 9 11, all the scares with people being sent anthrax in the mail, you know, and all the things that people were afraid of.

And then it just kind of gets your mind going about where it maybe started from.

And then the onslaught on the, you know, military personnel going into deployment.

And that's, you know.

So when people get into debates with me now, like, I don't typically debate because there's, there's, there's rarely a level playing field.

There's never, there's rarely a definition of terms that people can agree on.

And there's a complete paradigm, like, difference that makes debating stupid.

It makes it unproductive, but it also makes it really, really, like, it's dumb, right?

And, but then I tell people, I'm like, dude, I've been studying this longer than I've been a chiropractor.

I've been studying.

So I, I, I got that book.

And then immediately my brother gave me a ton of Sherry Tenpenny's DVDs.

And I just started to watch those.

Those are back in the day, like, old PowerPoints with, like, blue screen, neon blue screen, yellow text.

It changes frames.

It's like, like, it's like the graphics of animations between slides.

Sherry's like, you know, looks like from the 90s.

You see her hair?

It's like, you're like, dude, this is.

But I watched all of them.

I consumed all of them.

And when I went to chiropractic school, I went to one of those schools, right?

When I was, during 2020, our school said and came out that they were pro, like, measles vaccines.

And they were pro, like, they were.

Actually there's a PA program on the campus now.

So they actually deliver vaccines in the health clinic now in a chiropractic school that was founded in 1911, right?

We were 19.

And back then it was chiropractic only they started the acupuncture school later.

It was too holistic, obviously.

You know, professions.

And then you see the infiltration of conventional medicine, right?

And now I think they have a PT program and they have all sorts of things, right?

They call it integrative, but in reality, they're just, I don't know what the right word is.

Compromised, Right?

And diluted.

But in my community health public health class, which you only get one, I, like, open my syllabus.

I go to the Day.

I'm like, vaccines, let's go.

Right?

I'm looking for that date.

And you get to the class, first day of the two tenured medical doctors are like, okay, just so we want to review the syllabus.

Flip to week seven.

I don't know if it's week seven.

Like, flip to week seven.

This conversation here.

We're not going to have that conversation.

I was like, that's the vaccine conversation.

Like, why aren't we going to have that conversation?

We're not going to have the conversation because the science is settled and we don't need to have that conversation.

It is so day one or in the first few weeks.

I didn't wait till week seven.

I brought the conversation.

And it's literally the roots of my vaccine workshop now.

It's the things that I did in the moment on the fly that could put these tenured medical providers, like, they had no concept of what I was going to bring into that conversation.

I didn't really know what I was going to bring into that conversation, but in my mind I was like, I already know how to do this stuff.

So I just, like, at the time, it was like, early was 2007.

So, like, technology is different back then.

Still Google things, and I just Google vaccine ingredients, PDF, and back then it would bring up the CDC excipient list.

And I, like, I have like a ton of students around me because everybody's like, you know, curious.

They don't really know.

And within like, five seconds, they were like, why is there formaldehyde in there?

Right?

Like, it was the first time that.

The students or the MDs.

The students first.

And then afterwards, like, you know, I. I made it really simple.

I was like, hey, control f and.

And I showed the medical doctors.

I was like, so we go to anatomy lab.

You scrub in, right?

You basically wear, you know, gowns, gloves, goggles, some sort of cap, right?

Why?

Because when you're doing anatomy, you're cutting cadavers and they're preserved in formaldehyde.

If you touch it, if you breathe it, if you're.

If you get too much exposure, go to the eye wash, go clean yourself off, because you might get cancer, right?

And so I showed them, like, right away.

I was like, you can control f this document.

Don't type in formaldehyde.

Type in formal.

Because there's multiple derivatives of formaldehyde.

There's formaldehyde and there's formalin, and there's like, over 20 vaccines that have formaldehyde in them.

It's like, so what's what's the benefit of injecting that?

And they're just like.

And I'm like, okay, now I'm going to go to the EPA website, right?

I'm going to show you what the government says about this toxin.

Because at back then, lumber, God, what was that company like Lumber Liquidators or something, they got sued for formaldehyde, like toxicity and not reporting something.

And so if you go to the EPA website, if you breathe it, if you touch it, if you eat it, it's carcinogenic risk.

So I said, how can you possibly inject that into anyone, let alone children?

And these doctors were like.

I was like, oh, you don't have an answer?

It's over.

Like, I.

You are tenured professor on my campus teaching me, and you can't answer this question?

I think I win.

And I'm a student.

I'm a student at the time, but I was already two years into the research of how to heal myself.

And realizing that when I did one detox, I was like, do I feel lighter?

I feel leaner, I feel clearer, I feel weird.

You know, back then I was like, I didn't know that you could do something like that and experience that much health transformation.

But for me, it started with that book and then following up Education to Heal Myself.

And then when it came time to like, learn about chiropractic, just so you have an idea, one of the main strategies of the AMA back then was to.

They called it the mission of their commission.

They called it a commission on chiropractic, but they thought it was too noble.

If your listeners want a resource, the.

The documentary is called Doctored.

It was.

It was produced by a man named Jeff Hayes, who I think just put one out about Bobby.

Anyways, they go through this entire court case in the background of it, right?

And they created this commission on chiropractic, but that they renamed to a commission on quackery because chiropractic was too noble.

But one of their primary strategies was to, you know, their mission was to contain and eliminate chiropractic.

But their primary strategy was to incite division, that they would infiltrate into our profession and create a chasm between the two.

And what they did was they did what conventional medicine does is they basically create one that's in alignment with medicine, that has all the culture authority that we now in the profession call, because they still have the foothold mostly in academia and science.

Meaning the main PubMed index journals in chiropractic are owned by very specific camps that we call the Cartel, we call them the cartel because they are bought and sold.

There are still states in United States that chiropractors are aiming to do prescriptive rights.

They want to do some minor surgeries.

They're trying to change the scope of chiropractic.

But the rest of us, I would say, are mostly confused.

Like, we don't really know what our identity is.

But when you move down that kind of esoteric route, I think Covid allowed, and I don't think we all took advantage of it.

But when I went to Devin's event, I got to meet Ben Tapper, I got to meet Brad Campbell, and I got.

Obviously, Devin, I knew already, and then a couple other chiropractors.

And in chiropractic, even on the side that cares about self healing, there's division.

Right.

And there's camps that they.

We shouldn't like each other.

But I was just texting Brad this morning about his kid, you know, and I love Brad, you know, like.

And there's different camps that the.

The ability to incite division in a profession or in our society is so powerful that that was their primary strategy, and they were found guilty, man, we won.

And that essentially ended in us having licensure in all 50 states.

But honestly, the damage was done, and it's still pretty pervasive today, you know, and so the people that are all in on medicine, they're never going to speak out about medicine.

Yeah.

The people that on our side, in my opinion, are so socially afraid of judgment that there aren't enough of us that are speaking out in a way that I believe would make the biggest change.

I honestly believe that our profession, if we.

Because there's not that many of us.

There's 70,000 in the states.

There's about 100,000 worldwide.

Not a lot of chiropractors.

There actually needs to be more of us, in my opinion.

But if this side actually spoke up, I think we would be able to bring maybe a little bit more elegance, not more authority, not more academia, not more science to the conversation, but maybe a little deeper.

But we don't.

Yeah.

You know, so thank you so much for sharing, man.

That's.

That's incredible to hear for sure.

You mentioned you pride yourself on, you know, knowing the history of chiropractic, and I feel like that's something we haven't really touched on.

What is the origins of chiropractic?

Depends who you read, right?

Depends what source you read.

Because even back then, like, understanding.

Understanding, like how things were documented back then, chiropractic was essentially, I would say, the more well known perspectives of September 18, 1895.

Daniel David Palmer, D.D.

palmer, the founder, he's called the founder of chiropractic, had a janitor in his office who felt something click in his back the, the day before and was deaf.

And Didi at the time was like energy healers, a magnetic healer.

He was also like, he's kind of like a Renaissance man.

He's an incredible genius.

Like if you actually read about his library that he actually mastered, like he had, he had this collection of books called his traveling library.

The primary source on this is a man named Simon Senzon in chiropractic.

He's arguably, in my opinion, one of the most important people alive that understands not just the whole body of, of history of chiropractic, but understands like the maybe esoteric and the kind of vitalistic roots of chiropractic that are, in my opinion, being completely whitewashed out of conventional academia.

Right.

But DEI was, you know, essentially theorized that, hey, something happened in his spine.

Maybe I should assess it, adjust his mid back.

Not even his neck.

That would be direct line into the ears.

The neck would be.

And woke up the next morning and he.

And he could hear.

And so most people don't even know the first chiropractor and the first chiropractic patient wasn't about back pain, wasn't about neck pain, wasn't my headaches or car accidents or anything like that.

It was 1895 and it was a janitor that was deaf.

And Didi thinks he has the cure for deafness.

So he creates an ad in the paper and he says, you know, I'm gonna cure people of their deafness.

And he doesn't, because that's not the theory of chiropractic.

But it was one of his first iterations where he adjusted the rest of the people and no one got better.

Right.

But back then, Dede and his son BJ and a lot of the kind of forefathers and foremothers because there a lot of, there was a lot of women in the roots of chiropractic.

Too many of them were nurses.

A lot of these, you know, early providers were part medicine, part medical doctor, part DO, part Park Chiropractic.

This is 20 years after AT still founded osteopathy, which was also in the Midwest.

I think they're both actually Canadians, which is interesting.

And chiropractic was largely purely focused on the neurospinal system.

Right.

It's all about, it's all about the nervous system.

And so Didi basically had all of these theories.

At first, some of them didn't work linearly, but over time they basically have, in my opinion, stood the test of time because we actually do get results from people.

BJ was his son, Bartlett Joshua Palmer.

He was, he's called the developer of chiropractic.

It was basically, he made it a worldwide movement.

He was a master communicator.

He was empirical about what he was measuring.

Like I have this infrared thermometer in my hand right now because even to this day, things that he was theorizing back then, you can get an atlas, faucet, temperature just 95 on one side.

I'm a little warm in this room.

And 95.1.

And your, your, your nervous system is so much the kind of harbinger of self regulation in your body that he was always theorizing how he can measure how well the nervous system was functioning.

So this, you know, little tool back then, they called it a neurochelometer, has evolved into this infrared thermography kind of assessment that we actually use in our office every single day.

Especially with young babies, you can actually measure where their nervous system is thermoregulated and where their nervous system may not be.

And then based upon regions of the spine, the regions of the spine have different responsibilities of different organ systems, of different ways that the body, the nervous system, is supposed to be self regulating, self healing.

And so back then he was super empirical and he was so, in my opinion, such a great marketer and communicator that chiropractic went global.

And so one other story, I know you want to say something or osmosis is the reason why I believe that chiropractic is for those who actually step into what I believe we are called here to be is actually a story about a guy named Shagataro Morikubo.

He's like the first Japanese American, like chiropractor.

He's, he was super young.

He was, he was a primary mentee of Dee Dee Palmer, but really, really close with BJ Palmer and DD and bj if you get into the history, there was like a lot of like they were pretty like at odds with each other until even after Dee Dee passed away.

But this young chiropractor graduated, I think Palmer College in 1906.

Japanese guy, right?

And BJ tells him, you're gonna go to Madison, Wisconsin.

No, lacrosse Wisconsin.

You're going to open a practice there, you're going to get arrested.

And because of who you are and because of how prepared we are.

We are then going to build the legal fight for chiropractic.

And so back then, like, chiropractors knew that when they opened their shingle, when they opened their doors, that they were probably going to be, at minimum, discriminated against, at worst.

What happened to Ben Tapper, like, during COVID right?

Ben was part of the disinformation dozen.

When I met him in 2021, he goes, I was just.

Have you guys met Ben?

I haven't met him in person, no.

Dude, Ben's like a piercing communicator.

He's so, like, if you saw his original Facebook video that went viral, that made him, like, you know, a global phenom.

Nobody knows the story about Ben, but Ben is, like, this big.

He's not.

He's not a big dude.

He meets Alec and he goes, holy cow, you're huge.

Like, he's, you know, it's like this.

But he's.

The way he communicates is so, like, dagger, like, accurate on getting to the core of what's going on.

But Ben was just getting ready to speak, and he's flipping through his phone, right?

He's looking at his phone.

And I just went up to him.

First time I ever had a conversation was like, ben, I just wanted to tell you that I appreciate you.

Like, I just appreciate your.

Your boldness.

I appreciate what you're doing for a profession.

I appreciate you.

What you're doing for humanity and my kids.

And he goes, check this out.

And he, like, shows me his phone, and it's all the text messages that he's received from people who hacked his phone, death threats, people that have slashed his tires.

Like, people that were saying, you.

You're.

You're not home right now, and we know it.

So who's watching your wife and kids?

Wow.

Right?

So this type of stuff was things that chiropractors were.

Were on the regular receiving in the early 1900s.

And I believe that that's part of our, you know, like, journey that essentially led me to step into a different kind of lens of how to actually navigate.

And I looked at Ben at that day, and I just said, I just want you to know that you're taking a lot of arrows for us.

And I'm.

I'm willing to.

I'm willing to stand, you know, arm in arm with you and take as many as I can, you know, by your side.

Because I just.

I could see what he was doing.

I could see how much it was affecting him.

And the reason why I say that is, like, the roots of chiropractic were never about integrating into the healthcare system.

They were never about acceptance socially.

It was actually so countercultural that it's a blessing today that, that there is real, no insurance benefit for chiropractic that stands any sort of like, like if you call like as a provider.

I stopped taking insurance in 2012 because I was back then in my first year of my own private practice.

And you call like you call blue cross, right?

You're like, hey, just checking benefits for this patient, blah, blah, blah.

And they're like, oh yeah, that patient has 24 chiropractic visits if it's done by a medical doctor.

And you're like, what, wait, what?

Like wait, medical doctors do chiropractic?

So you start to see the back end of how everything kind of works together, right?

Where the insurance company will say, hey, we have chiropractic benefits, but they're actually not benefits that are actually chiropractic.

They're, you know, kind of a bastardized version of what medical doctors would do.

And then you like, learn about how medical doctors learn how to adjust.

Do you know how they learn how to adjust?

Do you know how PTs learn how to adjust?

It might be a little bit more infrastructural in their education now for pts, it's a weekend seminar to adjust somebody's cervical spine.

You go to spinalmanipulation.com.

this is what it was back then.

I don't know if it is still today.

It's a weekend seminar that these providers learn how to adjust the spine.

If you read about adverse reactions in chiropractic, have you ever heard about them?

People hear about stroke and things like that.

If you read some of the peer reviewed index journals on chiropractic and adverse reactions, you read them, right?

Like Alex sent that one about vaccines today.

And like, nobody reads beyond the abstract.

So it's saying chiropractic is dangerous.

Chiropractic causes this injury.

Multiple countries that have chiropractic injuries.

And then you read it.

It's like a soccer coach that gave the adjustment or it's a kung fu teacher in Taiwan or a barber.

Like, you read the actual primary source and you're like, oh, it's not even chiropractic at all, right?

One last little story.

What determines risk in.

In healthcare?

Who.

How do they, sorry, how do they evaluate risk in healthcare?

What is the, the authority on risk in healthcare to assess it?

No idea.

Whether or not you die from something, I don't know.

So yeah, if somebody dies, right, Then they Would.

What would.

What would happen infrastructurally to the industry, but especially to the provider?

What would.

What would go up, the type of.

Insurance, their costs, like malpractice insurance.

Malpractice insurance, Right.

So this is my 16th year, right?

Average pediatrician, average OB malpractice rates are somewhere.

Well, why don't you guys guess?

What do you think the malpractice.

It depends on the state, Depends on where you are in the world, right?

No idea, man.

No.

Nobody knows.

Nobody has any concept of it, right?

But it's somewhere to the order of like 10 and 50,000, depending on what state you're in, right?

For a pediatrician or an OB hire, because they do surgery, right?

A year.

That's their premiums, right?

So what's mine?

Sixteen years and seventeen hundred bucks.

Yeah.

A year.

A year.

Whoa.

And so people hear that and they're like, wait, that doesn't make any sense.

Right?

Like, and so people get accused of chiropractic and stroke and people like every year there's an article that comes out, you know, self magazine, different things that get publicized.

And mo.

What they don't tell you is that most of those chiropractors that injured.

Injured someone.

Air quotes.

Actually, if they look at like the coroner's exam and everything, it wasn't chiropractic.

They've actually done peer reviewed studies to show the cross sectional rates of stroke after a encounter of chiropractic, you know, visit versus a medical doctor visit, primary care visit, and it's higher on a primary care visit.

And they don't touch them.

So the conclusion in most cases that the stroke is already happening and you would have symptoms that would actually lead you to a chiropractor or your doctor, but it's actually higher for someone else, right?

So it's interesting, right, because so we know these things in and out, that it's not just your doctor, it's not just your hospital system, it's not just the insurance company, it's not just the pharmaceutical industry.

It's all of it essentially in bed together.

And the reality is, why debate?

It's not even where healing happens, right?

You should.

You should actually just leave the system, you know?

Yeah.

Sorry.

That was a lot of information.

No, I love, I love your stories and I love, especially since we have a little limited time, I love you kind of diving into all this and the history and.

Yeah, it's really cool.

I mean, the question I had before is not relevant now.

I just saw you pull up that heater or the, the infrared thermometer.

I was like, I think I have one.

I measured the temperature of my pool.

So you could just like, like put.

It up against your body.

And now what's normal?

Like what?

Like it was 95, you said so like.

Yeah, what's healthy?

What's not healthy?

Which is interesting.

So, so it's not a matter of like, I mean, that's the thing, right?

Everybody's temperature should actually be different, right?

Although we've been programmed to say that it's 98.6.

I don't know what you, what, what Celsius is.

Joel.

Sorry, buddy.

Everywhere else in the world.

37, I think is the normal thing.

What like our system will, will, will measure is how different it is from side to side, how different it is from segment to segment.

And based upon that, it's not about the core temperature that matters.

It's about the asymmetries and the inconsistencies from one level to the other, right?

And so for us, should it be homogeneous and perfect every single time?

No, it's just like everybody.

No, not what, no two people are perfectly symmetrical structurally, but it should be in some respects within a specific range.

And for us, when we then kind of correlate that to the responsibilities of each area of the spine and each area of the nervous system with the self regulation neurophysiology, neurophysiologically, with the body.

Honestly man, I don't think we need 100% solution, but generally we have an 80, 85 in my opinion.

I go into a results conversation with my patients and I'll say, yeah, your kiddo has recurrent ear infections for the last like two years and you've done 10 rounds of antibiotics.

Let's see you know what's happening there.

And let's see what you know is actually measurable because you want to have a little bit of context and because that kid, without any exam could get adjusted and never have an ear infection again.

But we would want to know to some degree a basis for what we can actually measure.

Because this is not mine, right?

This is 20 bucks on Amazon.

But a parent could do it, right?

Instead of saying, hey, do you have a temperature today?

Like, oh gosh, it's, it's, it's 100 degrees.

It's 101.

You're gonna die, right?

Because there's nothing that is self regulating your body.

It gives you a little bit more context to what's actually self regulating and what's not.

Hey bro, can you give us the, the elevator Pitch for the power of chiropractic and also some of the most incredible stories that you've personally witnessed and experienced through your practice.

Chiropractic is, is based upon, in my opinion, what we call neurospinal hygiene.

Right?

Most people brush their teeth, most people go to the dentist to some degree.

Many of your listeners probably go to a biological dentist.

But when you ask people, and I would say it's changing today with fascia maneuvers and somatic work and yoga and things like that, if you ask people, hey, did you do your neurospinal hygiene exercises this morning?

Like, everyone's like, what are you talking about?

Right?

And so most of us have never taken care of this thing that is literally our brain body connection.

And until they have an injury, they have a car accident or something, and then I take their X rays, I'm like, have you ever had X rays of your spine?

They're like, no.

Why?

Because it's the thing that actually supports your ability to be a two footed human being that connects your brain and your body.

And then when you actually get into the roots of it, like interferences, fixations and misalignments in the spine that are actually very measurable, that we have correlated to dysfunction or optimal function in the body when they actually become more mobile and aligned, optimize communication more than anything, right?

We generally will have a one bar communication pathway in our nervous system and the effects of that are all the symptoms that we might express.

And in conventional medicine they look at all the different symptoms and take you to every other specialist.

And in our world we'd say, well, why don't we back into the systems that control those symptoms, then why don't we back into the nervous system that controls those systems?

And if we can actually understand and be able to measure that, do something to help that nervous system have better alignment and mobility and measure it and see what the outcome is.

And if we can do that, then oftentimes we see dramatic changes, right?

And so, you know, I was just talking about, you know, ear infections.

We just had a kiddo come in and they didn't start care based on, based upon my recommendation.

But she has had ear infections every two weeks since the beginning of the year.

She started coming in probably around June, so about six straight months.

And so this is second year life, you know, so it's not something she had previously before.

Get into the history and we start hearing about, you know, challenges in terms of the way that she was birthed.

You know, that's a big, big primary driver Especially to little ones.

Most people don't know that birth trauma is a thing unless you ask a mom, right?

Or unless you ask, you know, providers.

And unless you actually assess children, right?

And so do my assessment.

Talk to mom.

Mom says we can't do your recommendation.

However they came, and she hasn't had one, like ear infection, right?

Every two weeks for six months and then not one ear infection.

And it's not because I treated her ear infections.

I wasn't doing any drops or anything like that, wasn't doing any supplements or antibiotics and things like that.

Most people don't know that ear infections are actually a plumbing issue.

They're lymphatic issue, they're a sinus issue.

And most people don't know that.

C1, the top vertebrae in your neck, that nerve controls a small muscle called your tensor valley palatini muscle that opens and closes your station tube.

And if that vertebra is out of alignment or fixated and we can measure it and then do something about it, just like you unclog a drain, they should never have ear infections again, right?

So we see probably 50, 60 kids.

I would say the most dramatic thing we see with, with, with children has to do with children who have been either injured by shots or have some sort of dysregulation that is akin to what is now one in six children globally, right?

One in six actually.

United States.

I don't know about globally, but one in six kids has a neurodevelopmental disorder.

In the United States, one in four children in public school today require special education.

And so very commonly we'll have.

One of the primary symptoms that kids will have is speech delay.

And so sometimes we have full on non verbal.

And this is kind of an interesting conversation just about telepathy tapes.

And a lot of things that are coming out is that sometimes we'll have kids come in and.

And they'll like, be completely non verbal.

And then mom will be like, oh, yeah, he told his brother he loved him the other day.

And you're like, what?

Like, tell me, tell me more, right?

Or speech pathologists and OTs and PTs and behavioral therapists and ABA will immediately ask mom and dad, like, what are you doing differently, right?

Because all these things that we've been working on for so long are actually, you know, that had kind of plateaued are now just totally like blossoming, you know.

And so we see it.

You name the condition from like oppositional defiance and anxiety to, you name it.

Like, we see kids, like, it's not A matter of if kids heal.

It's when and how and based upon what we get to measure.

Like we see it every day, right?

I would say, not to say easy or hard, but digestive challenges, right?

Most people, like, I got a dirt.

I did a live for our vaccine workshop over the weekend and this patient, this, this person was like, hey, you know, I want to ask you a question.

And kept asking a specific, specific way.

And I didn't really understand it.

So I said, hey, send me a direct message.

It's constipated, right?

Can't poop, but done everything right, Done every functional medicine, done every, like, you name it, all the conventional stuff, Miralax.

And I was like, what most people don't know is that, is that they may not have a gut issue, they might have a neuro gut issue.

Now, your nervous system controls your gut.

And if your nervous system is stuck in a state of fight or flight, it actually intelligently shunts blood away from your immune system, your hormonal system and your digestive system and all your vital organs to one be able to prioritize getting away from the sabertooth tiger.

But in the midst of shutting down gut function.

And so I just immediately said, just send me a zip code and I will find you a provider that likely would be able to assess whether or not the nervous system is interfered with in these particular areas.

And invariably, like, I had patients from every age, right?

Every age, babies that are constipated, babies have, you know, gut dysregulation.

And then moms will say like, oh, they poop every time after their adjustments, but sometimes they poop ahead of their adjustments.

And I'm like, that's interesting, right?

Because we think that the adjustment is the thing that heals.

And it's not, it's an, it's an event in the course of an individual's life.

And we then sometimes program nervous systems to understand what their new environmental experience is going to be like.

And they start pooping ahead of time and it's like, it's kind of wild, you know.

So that's just kids, you know, I like to talk about kids because in general I think it's one of the biggest ways that we can make the biggest impact on humanity.

And in my opinion, if you're a properly trained pediatric chiropractor or if you're an adult looking for a chiropractor, I would actually look sometimes at a pediatric chiropractor because the complexity of understanding kids nervous systems today actually gives a pretty strong blueprint on Helping almost every adult.

Thank you, man.

You're looking for, though?

No, it was definitely, definitely.

I mean, I used to see a chiro a fair bit.

I just haven't in years.

I'm just listening to this conversation now and I was like, I need to get back to a chiropractor.

What's that?

I know, man.

I, I was thinking about like making a meme, you know, because I would say there's.

And this.

So, so this is partially it, right?

Most people, if you go into like the back end, like I was telling my patient today, I was like, he told the surgeon that he's, that he's, you know, canceling his surgery.

And I was like, don't tell him you're coming here.

I was kind of saying it as a joke.

But it's interesting because once people know that chiropractic is somehow in the picture, it's like, oh, it changes like the perception, right?

But most people don't know that we have a built in perception socially on what chiropractic is.

Not because they have a personal experience, but because that was actually part of the AMA's job.

Their job was to create a psychological operation around all holistic care.

But we were like public enemy number one, right?

So a lot of people have hesitations mostly because there's, you know, unspoken discriminations, but also because it's a little weird, right?

It's like the, the, the wide range of chiropractors that you would experience just by going like in your neighborhood is pretty dramatic.

You know, I think that, I think.

That, yeah, and I think people do have some bad experiences which then come.

Oh, they totally do, you know, the propaganda for, you know, the last century and, and even now you.

In our world where we're talking about and sharing certain truths, if, if you're a chiropractor, sharing it.

I mean, how many times do you see the comment, well, you're not a real doctor.

You know what I mean?

Like, I've seen that so many times.

And so it's still out there in the collective where you know, people make those blanket statements, you know.

But then on our side, I would say there is, there's definitely a, I don't know what the right word is because I don't like to homogenize like a profession, you know what I mean?

I think everybody's got their own individual journey, but at the same time, there are standards of excellence that we should, we should be literally trying to live through every single day.

And it should come out in your work, especially if you're a provider, right.

No one wants to go to a provider that is late to all their interviews.

No, I'm just kidding.

But it's one of those things.

But the quality, when it comes down to your quality of care, if people know in you innately that you're not putting forward your best when you're a medical doctor, infrastructurally, they might still come anyways.

They might still listen to you because of authority.

But if you're like a chiropractor or any other or homeopath, like, they give you one shot and chiropractors should recognize that.

They should recognize that.

Like, I know that if patients come in and they don't accept care, not because I'm egotistical and angry, it's the fact that they may take 10 years to try something natural again.

Right.

And why that's important is, dude, like, the miracle that is possible, the miracles that are possible when you actually get it right are just not possible.

They're unheard of in conventional healthcare.

And in my opinion, they're very difficult in sometimes your own journey.

Not to say that we should all be subservient to doctors, but sometimes it's me helping the mom and my questions, my.

I'm not dictating, I'm asking.

And I'm always almost asking, what's your intuition say?

Yeah, when I say that, like, I would just say, like, I will even ask moms, like, okay, after we've gone through what we've gone through, most people think, okay, I'm going to come here, it's going to be an overnight fix, my insurance is going to pay for all of it.

I'm not going to have to change any part of my life.

And that's what we believe, right?

We believe that in the magic bullet, that conventional healthcare.

But when I actually do our workup and I'll ask mom, how long do you think it takes to heal this at the root?

I will.

I don't know what I'm going to do with this information yet, but it is, it's not always perfect, but very often it's exactly what my recommendation will be.

Or it is literally plus or minus, like a very short time frame.

Yeah.

And it's usually me eliciting a mom what mom already knows.

Yeah.

All right, Doc, we don't want you to be late for your next appointment.

How do you want to.

How do you want to close this out, man?

How can the, how can the people connect?

What do you want to share?

And any final statements.

Yeah.

TheFutureGen.com that is where our podcast is.

If you're in Southern California, especially San Diego, future generations.

SD.com obviously, you can find me on Instagram or the podcast.

I would just say in general, like, the thing that I feel most called to, especially you guys, man, I love getting connect.

Getting connect with you, your osmos, and actually interviewing you, Joel.

We'll get that back on the book soon.

I want to applaud, like, who you guys are to me, mainly because the thing that I think that you guys bring is the ability to navigate the nuance in ways that I think just the two ends don't actually even entertain today.

Right.

In the anti side and the pro vac side or whatever, like the pro establishment side, it's like there's.

It's just blind.

But then on our side, I think we're affected by the thing that I've been sharing about in terms of what the AMA was successful at doing.

That inciting division that.

That crazy polarization that's not only in society, but it's actually in our hearts.

Yeah.

And I would say what I love about what you guys communicate is that it's got to be this authentic alignment.

Right.

This.

And I, I mean that with all the pun intended in terms of chiropractic, like I've said from the very early times that I've been a chiropractor, that most of us have dysfunction and symptoms and chronic challenges because we haven't been listening to, to, to ourselves.

And we can't put our head down on our pillow with good, clear conscience.

And I believe you guys, you guys deliver that in a way that I feel is much more pragmatic.

And at the end of the day, I just.

I just wanted to say that because I just love that you guys are on this mission with us.

And, you know, thanks, bro.

Yeah, thank you so much, man.

It means a lot to hear.

And so, you know, get that acknowledgment for sure.

Have to do this again.

Maybe go a little, little longer sometime down the road, but absolute pleasure.

And I know for sure so many people are going to get so much value out of this.

And so to everyone listening, we'll see you next time.

Take care.