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Uh, we are going to go to.

Show me state of Missouri for this particular edition of, in the weeds.

And we've got our Missouri correspondent from the Maven world, the business

development director himself.

His name is Brandon Jones.

He's also our Missouri correspondent and we talked you Joan.

Uh, we talked new.

See, even though I screwed up, I am not gonna redo it.

Brandon Jones, welcome to the show.

How are you?

I'm doing great, Jimmy.

Thanks for having me.

I appreciate it.

Very excited.

And more importantly, you're the reason why we're talking to our two guests

today, because this is your hood.

This is Missouri, and you are in the cannabis space.

And, you know, we have a national inquiry, a very kind of curious audience

and following, they always wanna know what's going on in different states.

Now we broadcast or we live stream, or we record whatever we do here

is in Massachusetts, which is my.

State and where I've been for most of my career, that was a long time ago.

Uh, back that started in 1977, do the math.

I'm 65 years old.

Okay.

Folks.

And I'm talking about weed now.

This is where my career is.

Uh, we're joined by two people from the illicit gardens, which according to the

B D S a, which is the Cana advisors group out of Colorado, they are the number one.

Brand in Missouri, David Craig, the VP of marketing and Christina

Osorio, their creative director are joining us, uh, for both of you.

First of all, congratulations on being number one, uh, that

obviously had to do with your marketing and creative departments.

Didn't it in part.

Yes, but the whole team is really like extravagant.

It, it truly is a collection of really experienced and talented people.

There you go.

And, uh, walk me through, uh, exactly what you guys do at illicit gardens.

And what is the brand?

Is it a flower?

Is it a, uh, Tinture?

Is it all of the above?

Is it a, a dispensary?

Walk me through this.

Go ahead, David.

You could do that.

So, uh, The idea of illicit was born out of, uh, an idea that to highlight the

hypocrisy, uh, in the criminal justice system about, uh, people incarcerated

for marijuana related offenses mm-hmm , and as it becomes legal, as

it becomes, you know, recreational, medical and different states.

You still have this huge legacy of people who are stuck behind bars for

people who are now getting to make a bunch of money off of it, having

new careers, new opportunities.

So we wanted to kind of really slam that in people's faces and

kind of let people know that like, you know, while you're enjoying

this, don't forget about the past.

Um, and that led us to, uh, open one of the first cultivation

facilities in the state.

I think we were the first in Kansas city.

Um, we have a cultivation license and a manufacturing license, and

the products that we sell range from all your flower products.

We sell three, like an eighth.

We sell a quarter of popcorn buds.

We sell a ton of different types of concentrates.

Uh, live resin, concentrates, U pens, um, uh, What, what do you

think of those disposable pens?

By the way?

I feel so guilty carrying them around, but they're so convenient.

He actually just discontinued the pens because of our

environmental concerns with, yeah.

We'd like to stick with everything that's at least reusable, um, uh, several times.

So that was, yeah.

So.

Okay, good.

Good.

I feel much better now because even though the guilt is ripping me up inside,

uh, I know that eventually I believe the industry, which is very much, you

know, conscious of the environment, uh, will, will change and how they

distribute their products and stuff.

Right.

There's a lot of room for improvement.

Um, uh, just to summarize, we do have like over 200 skews and, uh, in our facilities,

we've actually taken a lot of efforts to re reduce our environmental impact.

We do, uh, recycle, uh, Uh, water that's used in the cultivation process.

Mm-hmm we take water from our dehumidification systems and our HVAC

condensers, and we put that through our Fil, you know, obviously our high

quality filtration system and we actually reclaim 2000 gallons of water a day.

Wow.

Oh, that's great.

Yeah, I, I that's, that's super, um, now Brandon's back.

Okay, good.

Cause now I'm gonna put him on the spot.

Brandon, walk us through what the laws.

That exist in Missouri are right now for medical patients only because I know

there's a movement in the legislature about bringing adult use to that state,

but walk me through what, what it's like now to be a consumer of cannabis

with a medical card in Missouri.

Sure.

So yeah, obviously just like most days you have to go see the doctor, go through

a process, get approved, get your card.

And then here in the state of Missouri for only a hundred dollars more.

You can actually get your cultivation license, which

allows you to grow six plants.

So I have my cultivation license as well.

So you can do that easily.

And then the dispensaries are doing lots of things to actually

bring prices down lately.

Uh, they were at the very beginning, extremely high, but now definitely

closed down and made it a lot easier to get a lot better quality products now.

So, you know, it's a, it's a little bit of, of still, you know, trying to get

the best products for the best price, but the market's taken off a lot better.

So.

What I'm reading here is a news item that I believe broke last week about

the, uh, G O P led bill to legalize.

I don't like to use the M word cannabis in Missouri heads to the

house floor as key deadline approaches.

So it's the cannabis freedom act and it got out of committee.

And then it went to the legislative oversight committee

and had passed both of those.

And.

Any idea, any updates on where that bill is right now?

And are they still in session in Missouri?

Brandon, I'll throw that at you.

Sure.

Yeah.

So they're, they're still in session, but it's only a couple more, couple

more days and it doesn't look likely that anything's gonna get on this time.

It's gonna be out until November, most likely.

And there are gonna be three different initiatives put on the ballot in

November legal Mo 22 is the one that's getting the most, uh, publicity and

has the most signatures, but there are a couple of more initiatives that.

Trying to get placed on ballot in November as well.

Okay.

And, uh, and Christina, uh, tell me about cosmos to cannabis.

So cosmic seed is illicit garden sister brand.

Um, cosmic seed really embodies a more CEL cosmic aesthetic.

Um, but basically we have.

Um, pre-rolls, uh, one gram pre-rolls half gram pre-rolls and five packs.

We call them BKS a little vacation from your day to day.

Um, and then we also have our edible line of caramels and gummies with some

new fun stuff coming up in the future.

Just as long as we start low and go slow.

Correct?

Isn't that the mantra for the industry, right?

we all have an edible story.

I know.

Speaking of stories, it says here that cosmic seed will feature stories of

nationally recognized performing artists and athletes at the top of their game.

Since I'm a sports guy.

Um, uh, David, can you enlighten us a little bit about.

Yeah.

So the series is called, uh, cannabis from the cosmos and it was inspired by,

uh, an article from Carl Sagan about how he used cannabis in his acade academic

career and how, you know, there was a stigma about it and how it was sort

of hush hus, but it played a big part in his, you know, creative develop.

And we really kind of took that idea one step further.

And it was like, how are other people in their professional life using it?

And that led us to focus on a series of performers who are constantly

training, constantly performing.

And that is, um, uh, lost Vegas.

Show performers, people who do, uh, uh, contortion, people

who do, uh, break dancing.

We have the Olympic break dance athlete.

Who's actually part of this.

And, uh, Christina, why don't you fill me in on the other individuals?

So I get their names, right?

We have, uh, a couple different yogis dancers, modern dancers

AcroYoga um, stuff like that.

And as David said, they perform day to day.

They have to be on point.

Every evening for their show, which means their training constantly, which

means their bodies undergo the most stress out of any normal human, you know,

so what we wanted to do is we wanted to see how it affected their life and

then how they use cannabis in recovery.

Um, stress management, emotional management, Rather than turning to like,

you know, narcotics for pain management.

Right.

And, and, you know, it's funny.

I was just reading, um, some comments to our, on our YouTube channel prop

cannabis media, and, uh, a gentleman.

I'm gonna assume it's in a gentleman.

I was talking about his.

Journey through the opioids and the morphine of the world.

I don't even know if op morphine is an opioid.

I'm just saying tons of pain, killer drugs, and how he's weaned himself

or herself off that through cannabis.

We hear these stories all the time now, but you don't hear them or

see them in traditional media.

Uh, David, you're a marketing guy.

You know how challenging it is to market this product and, and, and

counter all the stigma that's out there with the science and research,

still very challenging for you as well.

I'm.

It requires thinking outside of the box on a hourly basis, uh, we constantly

have to try to find new ways to get the message out about our products,

what we're doing, what we stand for.

And it's a challenge that anybody in the cannabis industry typically faces.

So, um, yeah, we, we.

Really have taken a strong digital approach.

And we like to use AI to sort of create audiences and targeting, to

kind of get out the message in the really specific ways that we can.

Oh, that AI thing is not, they're not very friendly to the cannabis

world on some of those social media platforms, you know, all about that.

Am I right?

Yeah.

Correct.

Um, we actually had our original Instagram account taken down, uh, was

devastating cuz you know, a lot of work goes into building a following on social

media, but yeah, it was taken down.

Uh, there's really no rhyme or reason as to why your page might get taken down.

But yeah, that's one of those things that you just, you just know, you

could just lose it at any day.

Right?

There are hundreds of, of cannabis related companies, plant touching

companies that have been had their, uh, accounts taken down.

Yeah.

So it's actually standard practice in the industry to have two or three like

backup accounts already, ready to go in case you get targeted for whatever reason.

Right?

Well, that's what we, you know, that's why we use YouTube really.

And truly, uh, just trying to figure out what might be the most friendly

social media platform to share.

Our content on, uh, Brandon, I had asked you to get a few questions, ready to go.

Are you ready to rock on?

Sure.

Yeah, I got, definitely have a couple questions.

Go ahead.

So yeah, the first, you know, one of the things we did on weed talk

news was talking about your guys' story with cannabis freedom, and that

project that you guys have got going.

Uh, a lot of the viewers don't really know if you could just give us a little bit

of breakdown of that awesome project and how you gotta work with tech nine and the

studio and how all that just came about.

That's really exciting.

A lot of people, obviously you're big fans of tech nine here in Kansas city and

obviously what you guys are doing too.

So that was pretty fun.

So, um, the freedoms campaign was actually based around our entire

illicit, um, mantra, everything about criminal justice reform.

And as we worked through the processes and pre-production, um, the idea

developed that we were gonna take, uh, ex prisoners from non-violent cannabis

related charges who've recently been released and we're gonna dive into.

What was it like, why did they get arrested?

What was it like in prison during their term?

And then now that they have been released, you know, how has it affected

their life on a day to day basis?

And you wouldn't believe how difficult it is for them to do the normal

things that we take for granted.

So.

We, um, have a, a pretty close relationship with strange.

And, um, we presented them on our idea and we needed a safe and

welcoming environment to bring our POWs in and record their story from

start to finish completely unedited.

And so they, um, allowed us to use the recording space, um, the same

room that tech does, his recordings.

Um, so we were there for two days during.

Like worst possible winter storm in February.

Um, we coordinated all nine POWs to come in.

Um, and, and it, and it was, it was truly eyeopening.

I think I cried probably like 10 different times during those two days, listening

to their stories and to, to just see how it not only affects them, but it affects.

Taxpayers and how much they're paying to keep them in prisons for these, you know,

nonviolent charges paired, you know, with somebody who's actually killed somebody,

you know, like it, it, it was really.

Troubling and eye opening, like I said, and, um, over the course of two days,

we try to make them feel like VI IPS.

We flew them in from all across the country.

We had, uh, car transport for them, hotel, everything mm-hmm um, we brought

'em in, we did special photo shoot with them for the entire campaign.

Um, and then we, uh, had actual cash donations that we gave to them directly.

So the campaign.

Is gonna talk about each P O w over the course of four weeks, they each

get their own four week feature.

Right now we're working through Dante west, um, who actually just

released his own cannabis brand west by Elit and, um, you know, so

much heart and soul in that guy.

Like he's.

Truly magnificent, like just as a being, he got himself outta prison.

Who's so Inspiral.

And, um, so yeah, we're, we're gonna spend a month on each, um, individual.

Our next coming up is, um, Evelyn Lu Chapelle, her cousin Natalia's

afterwards, and then her, um, fiance, uh, Corine Coopers after that.

And all three of their stories actually timed to each other.

So it's fascinating.

I I go ahead, Brandon, go ahead.

Sorry.

Yeah.

I just leading a little bit about Dante's story, like doing his own appeal on

a typewriter that took him two years because he didn't have access to the

proper equipment just to get that done.

Yeah.

That was just, yeah.

This hearing these stories are, are just heart wrenching.

I'm very excited that you guys are doing this and fit raising

money for them in the future.

Not just this one time thing, you guys are, the campaign is ongoing, right.

And they.

Yeah.

So it's, it's amazing.

Yeah.

If you have, do you have access to those stories?

Uh, on tape video tape, some.

Um, so we have their full audio clips.

Each audio segment is found on our website.

Okay.

Um, and then we do have, um, like video segments that we've clipped out of like

the most impactful moments of that.

Um, but everything can be found on our site.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I, I just, one of the, we did a promotion.

I don't know, Dan's listening to me last year sometime.

I mean, this whole COVID thing, it feels like dog years.

You know what I mean?

It's like, we're, we're running around in a circle.

It doesn't seem like we've got anywhere, but, um, it was tell us your

cannabis story, you know, come out of the cannabis closet and tell us

your cannabis story and some of the.

People who shared their stories were just like you're saying gut wrenching,

incredible, uh, coming off the canvas, if you will, you know, uh, getting off

the ledge, what, whatever they were.

Um, they're, they're all about humanity and what.

This plant can do to help their own personal humanity.

And, but they're not being shared with the rest of the world.

And it's one of the things that, you know, is always in the back

of my mind as a creative producer of content, I wanna share as many

of these stories as possible.

And at some point we will partner with.

Some group, whether it's, you know, the last personal project

we all know is probably the most recognized program out there that

a lot of people are working with.

But I love the fact that you've got your own.

Um, and you're involved with that immediately too.

Um, go ahead, Brandon.

I I'm gonna shut up.

no, that's great.

No, that's what I was saying.

And yeah, that's another thing is like you're helping for housing and

other things, like how is this, uh, money actually being accumulated

that you guys are getting for them?

So our initial donation to each P O w is directly from illicit gardens.

And so that was cashed in hand.

Um, and then for the future, moving forward, all donations go

towards the last prisoners project.

Right?

Last friers project has been amazing to work with.

Yep.

Um, they work on reintegration efforts.

Which goes towards housing deposits for a car, um, you know, the ability to get your

driver's license, um, stuff like that.

Um, and then they also, uh, put a lot of the funds towards advocating.

Current pow, the prisoners that are in the criminal justice system now to, to pay

for lawyer fees and doctor visits and you know, all the things that cost money that

they don't have the ability to pay for.

Yeah, I get it.

So it was October, 2019 when last prisoner project announced on

my show, uh, that they existed.

Steve de Angelo came on, uh, with my co-host at the time,

Kurt Dalton, and we had met.

Jamaica in September and we just started talking.

And then the next thing I know, I'm like, well, why don't you just come on

and tell us about this new initiative?

The fact that he's pretty much dedicating the rest of his life to

getting every person who's in jail for a nonviolent cannabis offense

out of jail and not just out of jail.

But their records expunged.

And also like you guys are doing creating workforce development

programs to get these people that have been most impacted by the failed

war on drugs, back into society.

That to me is what this is all about.

And another reason why this plant is on this earth.

Um, I find it interesting at the federal level when, uh, Chuck

Schumer, uh, announced his.

Federal reform campaign that we're still waiting to actually

see introduced in the Senate.

Um, alongside Senator Corey Booker from New Jersey and Booker was adamant

about making sure that everyone knew that this is a social equity impact.

Bill, not just a banking bill.

And there are so many elements to this plant now, uh, that are right

in the middle of the political environment in Washington, DC.

And at the state level, I'm amazed that we're talking about it as openly as

we are on my program on pro cannabis media on other outlets that recognize

the importance of this and want to document the end of prohibition in.

Their state like Brandon is doing on a weekly basis on, on we talk news.

Brandon, how, uh, rewarding has it been for you to be working with us?

If you don't mind me asking you that?

No, it's been amazing.

And just having opportunities like this, where I get sit down and have a

real conversation with people that are making change happen here, getting to

host events, getting special access like this great patients out of time event.

That's coming up here in June.

It's a great educational event.

That's coming up.

I've already got access to be able to talk to people and they're willing

to look forward and, you know, be able to share the information.

When you talk about the morphine story.

I mean, I didn't know if you actually knew that or not, but that's my story.

I was in a car wreck where I had 150 stitches in my face.

They put me on a morphine, drip, every eight minutes, the wreck within 1998,

I still have glass that comes out of my nose that I have to use tweezers

about every three to six months.

And I was up to 28 Advil a day, starting to develop ulcers at 26.

Until was just like, Hey, you should try this.

I had been an athlete.

I was told this is bad.

You can't use it.

We're testing for this we're testing for that.

You can take as many of these pills as you want.

And you won't get in trouble, but if you puff this twice, you

could not perform and get, lose your scholarship and all of this.

And so I had just ingrained in me that it was bad.

My brother actually won the dare essay for the state of

Kansas, if you can believe that.

But, so that's just the kind of upgrading, you know, that I, I was brought up into.

And so this is just given me a whole opportunity to share,

share my story and be able to be around people that are like-minded

and want to bring about change.

And change the stigma of the people that are doing it.

Yes, we're medicated, but we're educated and we know what we're talking about.

So that's, that's what I, you just am really grateful for

this opportunity, Jimmy, to be able to have spaces like this.

So, yeah, that was a.

Thank you.

No problem that no.

And, and, uh, David, when you hear all these stories and, and I'm guessing

everybody on this, uh, call on this interview has heard these stories

that cannabis has saved my life.

Cannabis has changed my life as a company and a, and a, a

vice president of marketing.

Are you guys taking advantage of sharing those stories with

the, uh, consumers you're going.

I think sharing those is really how you get to make that connection.

Cause as you said, everyone has their, uh, story of their first time.

They used it.

Story of how they maybe had too many edibles.

They have stories also about, Hey, I know how this ruined my friend's life or Hey,

this ruined my life or Hey, I've heard all these rumors and misinformation and it's

by being able to kind of bring it to them.

In an unfiltered way that this is what it AC this is what the

war on crime actually looks like.

This is how it affects you.

This is how it affects these people.

This is what the taxpayer cost is.

This is how it suppresses the economy.

These are the jobs that are lost, making that connection by sharing

those real, real gritty stories that are, that are, that are true.

That I, that has been, um, I think game changing for me in my position, but

I hope also for all the people we've interacted with to get to experience it.

And, and of course now we're getting more and more research and scientific

knowledge about this plant that is supporting the overwhelming

anecdotal evidence that's out there.

Uh, Christina, I, I wanna bring you back in and, uh, ask you just

a question about, you know, what's your own personal cannabis journey.

If you wanna share that with us.

Yeah.

Um, I actually have a recent story now.

I have been a cannabis user, um, since the age of 21.

Um, I am much older than that now, so yeah, I'll let you guess.

But, uh, just recently I actually, um, had a back injury in my L five S one.

Muscle ruptured disc.

I ruptured that disc too.

Yeah.

A lot, a lot, many more years ago though, than you.

My, uh . I was immediately put on muscle relaxers and hydrocodine,

and it was pretty much that was it.

That was the solution that every doctor came to me with orthopedic

surgeons at pretty much everybody.

And, um, they.

Very unhelpful it was, um, it was a, it was a sad kind of reality of, um, what

we know about the human body and what, how, what we do to treat injury and pain.

Right.

And, um, so for seven days I experienced an increased.

In like the addictive process to taking all of that medication.

And it was on day seven.

When I was looking at my watch, counting down the seconds from

when I could take my next set of pills that I realized that this is.

Bad.

This is going in a really bad direction.

So I, I, I transitioned into cannabis, um, primarily edibles.

Um, I needed to target a specific area and that was within my body

rather than a cerebral kind of effect.

Um, C B, D a lot of C in, in addition to that.

And, um, you know, it, it was in August of last year, so it's, what is it?

May.

Um, I'm finally getting feeling back in my toes.

Um, I do yoga, uh, as much as I can.

Um, I build strength in that area, a lot of, uh, like physical training

and, and really it was cannabis that saved me from that addiction.

I, I truly believe that.

So we all know that Western medicine goes after the symptoms and Eastern

medicine goes after the cause.

And when you talk about Eastern medicine, you're usually talking

about plants and herbs based.

Products and cannabis is a very powerful one and has been used as we know

medicinally for thousands of years.

It just, now the people in charge are finally figuring out, wow, there

must be something to this plant.

So, uh, it is a, the movement itself has been.

Uh, fascinating to be part of, uh, to cover, to share stories like yours.

And, um, and, and Brandon's, I, you know, it's funny, I actually knew

that about you, but I forgot that.

So I really appreciate you sharing that again.

Uh, and, and that morphine drip, when I had my ruptured S five wait, L five S one.

I went into the emergency room, locked.

I mean, Groucho marks.

Are you familiar with who that is?

He, he was always kind of walking around, you know, I could not

stand up straight basically.

So I had no choice to have surgery and 12 hours later, I was

actually walking the halls of the Beth Israel hospital in Boston.

And I was amazed.

I was also loving that morphine drip before the surgery.

Okay.

I will admit it.

It is the only thing that I have found that actually.

It does kill the pain.

Now it may take you along with it, but it definitely kills the pain.

Right.

Whereas cannabis, I think helps you manage your pain, uh, and,

and deal with it and maintain that ability to, to function normally.

Uh, at least that's how I found it.

Uh, Brandon.

Yeah.

That's definitely what it did for me.

Yeah.

Like I said, the, the morphine obviously killed the pain and I was,

like I said, in a really bad accident, so I was unconscious on impact.

So yeah.

I woke up to the.

Just, you know, every eight minutes, like you're saying Christina, I was

like, holy cow, eight minutes, click, click, click, click that button.

Yeah, no, I, how come it's not going any faster.

Right.

I, I get it.

I want, I want another hit.

Yeah.

It doesn't work like that.

They right.

You know?

Oh, let's hope none of us have to go through that again.

Okay.

Cuz that is definitely not a fun experience for anybody.

No matter what.

Um, David, as a, as a marketing person in the cannabis space, in.

Missouri, uh, you guys are only medical, but I'm guessing that there's

so much information now that you've been able to get from your consumers,

that you're starting to actually have built in research and stories.

Do you share that with any of the advocates or lobbyists who

are trying to get the adult use?

Bill passed in the.

Well, the good thing about the patient databases here is that,

um, all of it is protected.

We actually don't have access to anybody's personal, but you can opt, you can opt out

of that too anonymously wrong, or, yeah.

Right.

Um, Do you mean like accessing like patient record?

Like in other words, I, I have, I have opted, I've allowed the world to look

at my use of and admit that I am, and I've waved that right in Massachusetts

so that they can learn from my.

Buying habits and, and, and all that sort of thing.

Um, but I'm I'm, they don't have that in Missouri.

They still live in the HIPAA world, protecting everything.

They are still are in the HIPAA world.

Everything is very protected.

You can access it on the dispensary level.

Like when somebody walks in and they wanna buy cuz they have an allotment, they have

to stay within under a given time period.

It's four ounces to start 10 ounces in two months in Massachusetts, just for the.

That's a lot of weed guys.

Okay.

Yeah.

That's a lot.

Well, you can do an allotment increase.

Um, you do basically you do another medical card processing

and you get a lot increasement from four ounces to eight ounces.

Um, we do see people doing that, but yeah.

In terms of being able to access patient data, uh, in that fashion to

share, yeah, it's all very restricted.

So what we really have.

Just demographic information from people who have visited our websites, people who

have visited like our Google, my business pages, or like our location pages.

Yeah.

People who interact with us on social.

Um, so it's not as rigorous in the sense that we are able to do like, uh, big

data dumps, but we do have access to some information that gives us a general idea

of who our, uh, who the patient base is.

And we all know how restrictive marketing is, but when people come into.

Dispensary and sign up for maybe a rewards program.

Yeah.

Or something like that.

They've opted in to give you their information.

Um, can, can I ask what the numbers are?

Cuz I'm always concerned.

I'm always wondering about this.

You know, one dispensary might have a couple of thousand others might

have hundreds, but it is the only marketing tool that you guys can

actually push onto your consumers.

Am I.

Messaging information.

Yes.

Correct.

So the opt-in gives you for this sort of services.

You usually get a couple different things.

Um, the one that we use is Alpine IQ.

One of the biggest operators in the space, they are fantastic.

They're they're, uh, their messaging capabilities.

They're data analytics.

Incredible.

Uh, we, when you opt in, you're opting in for a text, an email, a

browser push, or if you develop an app with them, you can push an, an app.

App notification.

So, uh, our system, uh, sorry, sorry.

That's uh, so, uh,

So our text messaging system, we run deals and specials, and that's one of the only

ways that we can really promote and reach them right outside of the store with,

you know, what specials we went offer.

That that's the same thing here in Massachusetts.

Yeah.

Um, it, it, it, this is why it it's so crazy.

I mean, every state is different.

Every state has different laws.

Every state has different, um, regulations and, you know, nor Lord knows, you

know, this industry is one of the most regulated of all time as it, as it.

Actually it gets started now we all know, or maybe we don't all

know, but I was a parent once.

Actually I'm still a parent.

You're always a parent put parameters on your kids so that they have, you

know, they know when not to go over that line and you wanna be as strict as

possible in the beginning because you can always ease up as they get older.

And I'm gonna hope that this may happen in years long after I'm gone.

It'll ease.

In that decade in two decades, because it's really here to stay.

Um, I'll go right around the, the, uh, the room here and get everybody's feeling

about what you think might happen in.

Let's make it five years, cuz I don't think anything is imminent, uh, over the

next few years under this administration, but let's just extend it to five years.

Do you see.

Becoming legal in the United States.

Do you think it'll be decriminalized first?

Um, and, um, Brandon, I'm gonna let, I'm gonna let you start on that.

Go ahead.

Well, yeah, yeah.

I think decriminalization is definitely gonna become first before just

federal legalization everywhere.

And I think that you five years is still a little bit of a quick timeframe for that.

I mean, like you said, it just obviously depends on who is next in, in

control, but yeah, I think five years is still being a little bit hasty.

I, I I'm hopeful.

And I'm really hate thinking that decriminalization in more states

are seeing, but being here in Kansas city where you see how slow Kansas

is to jump on board, uh, you know, you see state to state, it's still

not get not happening even when they see how much is happening over here.

So, well, you've got 38.

States now that have decriminalized it and recognized its medicinal value

enough to start a program, whether it's a good program or it's, uh,

constitutional or not constitutional.

And I certainly don't want to go there, uh, or it's run or you're

in total disregard to what the voters want in South Dakota.

And you have a governor who doesn't want anything to do with it.

So that being said, we're definitely in a time of change.

David, where do you see.

Federal reform.

Uh, and, and do you have a timeframe on that?

And again, strictly opinion does not reflect on anybody's

workplace or anything like that?

Sure.

I definitely think that federal decriminalization is in the cards,

but I have to agree with Brandon.

I think you're closer to 10 years out until something major like that happens.

Uh, The signals are clearly there on what the majority of the citizens want.

So it's just like, when are they gonna care enough?

Or when do they need to tax dollars?

Desperately enough to do something about it?

Um, money, money, money.

What's in it for me, right?

Yeah.

How about you?

Uh, Christina, go ahead.

Scientifically, I don't have to agree.

I'm gonna agree with Brandon and David.

I, I think it's gonna be longer than five years.

I think it'll be decriminalized first.

Um, I am not confident that it's gonna be 10 years.

It could even be longer.

Um, but I, I honestly think that, well, Simon will be, uh, first

and then cannabis to follow.

Now I'm not a big, I mean, no disrespect to the, um, other plant

medicines that are out there.

I, I definitely would like the industry to focus on one plant at a time, but

I certainly understand, uh, when you have another natural thing growing,

that can actually help people, you wanna study it and learn about it.

And again, so I certainly go with lead with education lead with the science.

Lead with the research and every state has different rules and

regulations, which allows, you know, a media company like mine.

Open talk shows.

This is great because we'll, it'll never change.

We'll all have opinions and it'll all be different.

And it'll keep us going for years and years.

As long as you start talking about it and giving it the respect, not

the fear that was put out there for 80 years of misinformation.

Driven by racism in this country.

Uh, and I, I think you guys know I'm from Massachusetts, so you

certainly know which way Eileen, um, finally, how did people get to

you guys in, in, at illicit gardens?

I'm guess I've rarely been on your website.

Okay.

So it's nice website, but give yourself a plug.

Go ahead, David.

Sure the website is illicit gardens.com.

Keep an eye out this week.

We will be releasing a new and improved website with some

super cool interactive features.

Some new displays.

Uh, you'll also be able to view the freedoms campaign and

all the great videos there.

Uh, if you have any questions about strains or products, we've got a

huge database, everything on there.

And, uh, you could also find us on social media that is illicit gardens Mo.

And then for our sister brand cosmic seed, it's cosmic seed, creations.com.

You can see all of our edible flavors and our pre-rolls and

all that cool stuff we do.

And then it's also, uh, I believe it's cosmic seed Mo Christina for

Instagram cosmic seed by illit our Instagram, a seed by Alyssa.

We recently changed that.

Yep.

So yeah, go check, check that out.

Follow us.

Subscribe to our newsletter.

We do like to send that a, a newsletter, like every three or four weeks to

announce new products coming out, new deals, we have running statewide.

And it's a great way to just keep a, keep an on what we're up to.

Do you ever, you ever run Brandon's reports on your newsletter?

Oh, I guess not Jimmy highlights.

Jimmy highlights.

All right.

Fair enough.

It's all good.

Uh, Brandon, do you wanna plug Maven?

Go ahead.

You might as well.

Sure.

Yeah.

Distribution Maven, we're the, you know, main distributor for Integra boost.

The two way humidity packs that keep all the flour fresh.

So that's, uh, what distribution Maven is, you know, best known for.

I got the Wilfred product line.

You can see the, his little box of CBD cigarettes.

I actually like these before.

Pre-bed.

He's uh, he's hilarious.

And so I love plugging the Wilford brand as well too.

These are awesome.

With's awesome.

And my mom asked me if I posed for the picture.

I don't, I don't know.

Jason said when he, when he pulls up the costume, he said I can put it on.

So, so, well, I tell you what, you know, they say the Midwest is filled

with the nicest people in the states.

So I, and I always enjoyed Brandon talking to you.

Thrilled that you're part of our news team here.

And, and David and Christina, I feel like I've been talking to

you guys for most of my life.

I've really enjoyed, uh, chit chatting with you.

And I hope this will just, uh, continue to roll here cuz we're all in this together.

Am I right?

Yeah.

Thank you so much.

It was a pleasure talking to you.

I appreciate it.

Really great.

Really great.

Getting to talk to you guys.

All right.

And remember, this is how I end all my shows and my podcasts.

I came up with this years ago and I just beat it to death.

And now we've got a logo and a t-shirt's going out there.

It's a whole new world of weed out there.

People use it responsibly.

So for Brandon and for David and Christina, I'm Jimmy young.

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