So, In this episode, we're delighted to welcome on Sally Garozzo, who is a multi award winning clinical hypnotherapist using Rapid Transformational Therapy, or RTT for short. And she helps people glide through their upper limits and reach their true potential whilst remaining mindfully authentic in the process. She's passionate about helping people to bust through fears and phobias to enable them to live their lives unbounded. So, welcome

Oh, thanks guys. Thank you so much for having me.

Welcome from me too.

Oh, thanks Kev.

I love that bit in your bio about helping people to bust through fears and phobias, because of course that's exactly why we've invited you on today.

Yeah, honestly, it just breaks my heart to think of people living their lives restricted because of these fears, and they're often irrational fears. Some of them not so rational. I mean, things like creepy crawlies and stuff like that. We are wired to not like them because, they carry, bacteria and stuff like that. So it's our, it's nature's way of saying, don't go anywhere near, but we, the opposite of love is not hate. The opposite of love is indifference. So when it comes to driving anxieties, you know, specific types of phobias, like bridges, lorries, tunnels, things like that, that people get so caught up in their mind. About, I help them to reach a point where they don't have to love them. They don't have to hate them, but they're just indifferent. It's like a non thing, you know, like this squeeze ball that I'm squeezing. It's just a, it's a non thing. And I think that's the power.

Absolutely. That reminds me often we talk about people being neutral. I'll often talk about you don't need to be positive or negative. Actually, neutral is a really great place to be, particularly when you're driving. Yeah, that's exactly the same sort of things that I find when people are learning to drive. If you go one way or the other. Make sure they're not confident or they're overconfident, but being in the middle somewhere. I'll say in somewhere in the middle is normally best place to be.

yeah, exactly. You actually want a little bit of anxiety when you're driving, but it's how you label it, because I think you mentioned Tracy on my podcast that you want that bit of activation. You want to be in that sympathetic state. If you're not, you're half asleep, you know, and then you are going to have an accident. So, but what happens is people tend to link it. Yeah. Yeah. Anxiety or when they start to feel a little bit more anxious when they're going past the lorry or going over a bridge or in a tunnel, they link that with, I can't cope, something's gone wrong in my body, nothing's going wrong in your body, your body is supposed to be, moving in more into that sympathetic state so that you focus. You know, you need that focus when you're going over a bridge or going past a lorry. It's just like, if you, if you don't have it, then that's when the danger occurs, because when you're in the sympathetic state. If you lean into it, actually narrows your focus down like a Formula One racing driver, you know, I always say in some of my scripts, I always say to people, you narrow your focus down like a Formula One racing driver, you know, so you get that sense that you're in control, you've got this, you're driving the car, it just feels better. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's interesting because I'm going to say I'm a lorry driver. I used to drive lorries all the time. So I've seen people come past lorries or should I say. Even attempt to overtake a lorry and then not, that's that resonates with me quite a lot because I've seen a lot of that. Obviously, we, we deal with it slightly differently now because I'm now in a car. And people are driving past lorries, and we try to, you know, deal with the, the skill and what their thoughts are with that. But if it becomes a phobia, how does it become a phobia of driving past a lorry or over a bridge or...

Well, phobias become phobias usually because of a traumatic event. Maybe they've had an accident with a lorry or maybe they've had an accident over a bridge or in a tunnel, or they've seen something. Usually as a child, you know, when you watch Jaws and you probably shouldn't have watched Jaws and you're six years old, right? And now you've got fear of sharks. Okay, when you are a child, your brain, you are literally in hypnosis. So children's brains are wide open and they are so programmable, they are so suggestible. So this is why I worry about social media and TikTok and things like that with the kids watching because they're literally programming themselves. So if a child or even a young adult. Or anyone really, you know, any age we can be programmed. If you've seen something on telly, if you've seen something on social media, if it's happened to you in real life, because you have to remember that the brain cannot tell the difference between what is real and what is imagined. It's the same thing to the brain, so that's why you've just got to be so careful. You create a program in your mind that says, must avoid at all costs. And so your nervous system kicks in, overreacts, because it wants you to avoid.