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But then Satan then taints your mind.

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So you start finding these things very

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lovely.

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Like, not lovely, but like you were.

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You find the dark things

beautiful in a twisted way,

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like you romanticize death, you know,

you don't see it as what it is.

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You see, there's some people in nice black

dress,

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white in forever

frolicking through the forest.

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I don't know how to say it, but,

yeah, it's not the real thing

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at all.

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Susie,

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welcome to the Anabaptist Perspectives

podcast.

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You're originally from Slovakia,

I believe.

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Which isn't where we are right now.

We're actually in Ireland.

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But there's a story there,

and we want to capture some of your story

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of how you came to Christ and the journey

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you've been on over the years,

and so, I guess, to start off with.

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Yeah. Where were you born? What kind of

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did you have?

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A religious upbringing, you know? Yeah.

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What was the environment

you were born into?

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Well, I was born in Slovakia.

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I'm from Bratislava,

which is the capital city,

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and I grew up in the most densely

populated district,

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which was called Petrarca, which,

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has a lot of, concrete

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blocks of flats,

like the typical Russian ones.

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Oh, that's true, because they'd been

Soviet Union before, Yes, yes.

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So, yeah,

it looks very, very similar to that.

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And, yeah, I lived in

one of those buildings with my mom and dad

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and my brother and we were just like a typical family.

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We went to school,

my mum and dad were working

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Yeah, I had no religious upbringing at all

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because during the Soviet

times, religion has been banned.

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So there was like,

you couldn't have any, religious

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ideologies, like not just Christian,

but any other ones as well.

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So Christianity really kind of disappeared

from from Slovakia at that time.

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So no one was getting baptized,

no one was going to church or,

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you know, people were

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learning more about what

the party wanted them to know.

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And so, yeah, when I was born,

the communism fell.

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the world had started changing.

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I when I became,

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when I went to my first grade.

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That's when the religion started

to get back again into the country.

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They opened the first religious class.

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It was a Catholic class.

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And, I only knew about Jesus

from Christmas stories.

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a lot of the children

went to this religious class,

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but I didn't, and so you didn't. So why?

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I don't know.

I just didn't know what to do. There.

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And my parents were not interested.

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So I just was out with the teacher

because it was after school.

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So it was like an after school thing

that you can choose to go to or not.

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But I was very bored, so I was like,

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all my friends are in this class

and I want to go there too.

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And I want to learn about Jesus.

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Like it would be nice to know

what what is it about more.

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And he's a nice guy.

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Just those little innocent thoughts.

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And so I ask, mom, can I go?

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And she was like,

okay, she just let me go.

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I don't really remember any details.

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Like, did she have objections or not?

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But then it turned out

that this religious class was about

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children getting baptized

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because children

were not being baptized back then.

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So they wanted new people to start

attending church and stuff like that.

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So yeah, I was ten years old

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and I asked my mom, can I get baptized?

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Because I started to like Jesus.

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He became my friend in a way.

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I learned how to pray.

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I was going to church with my friends.

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My family didn't go to church

because So just you then?

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Yeah, it was with your friends.

Yeah. And again, this is Catholic.

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This is Catholic, Yes.

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We just had church

very close to our house,

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so it wasn't a problem to go there

with my friends.

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And,

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Yeah.

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And then I ask, mom, can I get baptized?

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And she didn't want me to get baptized

because she didn't believe in it.

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She didn't think it was necessary,

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or she was worried that I was going

to deep into it or something.

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And she told me that

I had this look of horror

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on my face

that I didn't want to go to hell

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and so when she saw my face, she said,

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okay, you can get baptized.

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And I started the process

of getting baptized.

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I was,

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we had several

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meetings with the priest and,

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yeah, he was just

preparing us on the journey, and,

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yeah, I got baptized

and I still believe in God.

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I still attended this class.

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I was way older.

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And then you go to your first communion,

and then you go to confirmation.

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And that was

when I was in my teenage years.

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I was about 13 or 14.

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And then the priest said

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that if you want to get confirmed,

you have to be very serious

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about your faith, because that means

you were beginning your journey to live

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like God wants you to live,

and to follow the Catholic,

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how would say faith

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and, you know, like the rules and stuff

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not just the basics of the Christianity,

but like what the church would say, right?

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Like what the Catholic Church

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Yeah. Okay.

But I started having different,

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different I

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would I say interests,

you know, teenagers.

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They're influenced by television and music

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and magazines and your friends especially.

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And so I said to myself that, you know,

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I am not serious and

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I don't think I will be able for it.

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And I would not be honest

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and I told that to the priest

and he was very disappointed.

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But maybe he felt like, you know, better,

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to be honest, than doing it

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And yeah, ever since then

I just abandoned the whole

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like I didn't like I did like Jesus still,

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but I just got deeper into other things.

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So Christianity

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kind of falls out of your life

so to speak.

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It just regular life starts happening

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and you get involved in other things

and just, it just kind of disappears Yeah.

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In a way.

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Yeah. Especially when you don't have it in

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It's very easy. That's true. Yeah.

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So so like you so you had a sibling,

you know, and your parents.

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So they never really got involved

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No, no, I my brother

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So, you know, I was like, oh, okay.

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I didn't find it.

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I know, I guess I didn't have

a relationship with Christ at the time,

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and I just knew it

from the Catholic point of view.

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I didn't really read the Bible.

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There were just the songbook

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How the mass goes every time.

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And it's always the same here.

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And I didn't know much about

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So I find other things to do.

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I got into sorry.

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So Yeah, that's what I was going to ask.

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So what happens to you at this point?

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So you're in your

your teenage years? Yes. Yeah.

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So life continues on.

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You get involved in other things like.

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Where do you go then from this point?

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Well,

I started being interested in subcultures.

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So subcultures

as in the music subcultures,

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either the alternative

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scene where there was a lot of

it was kind of new

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because, yeah, the 90s

and the early 2000s were like kind

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of like the boom in the Western culture

coming into the country.

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Because again,

the fall of communism in 89,

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I guess, is when I would have or 89, 90

when that would really start up happening.

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So there was a lot of new music

coming in and

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I really liked it at the time.

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Like I like the rock music and different

things you know, the different bands.

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And I got different friends.

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And then you know

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there were interests like in different

like paganism

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was very like hand in hand

in with the subcultures and the music.

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Oh, interesting.

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So okay, I wouldn't have I guess

that kind of makes sense now you say.

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I just have never thought of that before.

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So when you started getting into the music

scene, did you start getting these other

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ideas, world views,

I guess getting pulled in with it.

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Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

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And everything just started

to be so interesting and even

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the television started being like, like

the Harry Potter came out in the 2000s.

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And then there was like the different

like the witching movies.

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It was a lot of them in the early 2000s

and and on.

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But like a lot basically

with almost a a genre It was in a way.

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And so that was like well I wonder

you know the internet came out.

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You know

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it was very dangerous times I guess for it

for, for, for kids at that time.

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So yeah there is different

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people meeting in different places

and that had the same interests as you.

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So you learn a lot of different things

that you don't want to learn about.

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So you then find out that,

you know, witchcraft is true.

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I like what if we could,

you know, look into it with their parents.

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Sure. What can you do?

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We didn't know the real witchcraft. Where

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people hurt other people.

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But just like this watered

down, like, a pop culture

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where witchcraft is kind of

for entertainment witchcraft.

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I like Harry Potter, for example,

and that's an entertainment thing.

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I mean, it's a movie.

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Whatever It wasn't serious in any way,

because I knew that there are

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demonic forces from from,

like, the movies, but whatever.

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But I believe in them.

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And so I didn't want to go deep

into that kind of thing.

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Yeah. So then there was like the white.

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The white, they call it

like the white witchcraft or whatever.

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It's all the same.

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But like, you know, the Celts

and the Vikings and their, their pagan

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things and death, you know, the druids

and the herbs and things like that?

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That was very interesting.

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But I again, I only saw it

as I was just romanticizing it.

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You know, it was just in that kind of like

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the culture, the music, the clothes,

the people, how they used to live.

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That's what drew me to that.

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So how how deeply involved then

did you get into this, did

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this turn into a major part of your life

going forward,

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you know,

through your teens, into your 20s?

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What did that look like for you?

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because I was from the capital city.

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There was a lot of places

where you could meet

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with people that are interested in this.

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Different things.

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Like there were people that were doing,

like, historical reenactments.

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And so they were very interested

in this mythology and whatever.

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Then there was this Gothic subculture,

and they used to have like,

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like different pubs.

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We used to go to different pubs, and we

used to have this thing called bat caves,

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which

were like kind of like a discotheque,

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which was like underground and in

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a, like a dungeon.

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And it was.

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Yeah, it's a bit embarrassing.

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Sorry.

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No, no I understand though

because there's, this is a significant

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undercurrent of culture. Right.

In a lot of places.

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I mean there's a lot of people

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that get involved in this

or become part of it, whatever.

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But then Satan then taints your mind.

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So you start finding these things very

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lovely.

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Like, not lovely, but like you were.

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You find the dark things

beautiful in a twisted way,

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like you romanticize death, you know,

you don't see it as what it is.

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You see, there's some

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people in this black dress, white

in forever frolicking through the forest.

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I don't know how to say it, but,

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yeah, it's not the real thing at all.

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Yeah.

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You just go on tours

like the horror movies and, you know,

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then, like, it's like

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it's like Satan is working in your mind,

but you don't know about it.

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You know, nothing

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significant is really happening,

but you find yourself getting, like,

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depressed

or you're not doing well at school,

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or you don't get on with your parents

very well.

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You're a loner.

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You just want to be with your friends,

or you want to drink or you want to smoke.

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You know, these kind of things.

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So that's where a lot of my friends

went down that road.

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You mentioned Gothic

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previously

was that also part of the picture.

258

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Oh yeah. Part of the story.

259

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Yeah.

260

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That was very much so like you would have

identified with that at an for a while.

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Yeah.

262

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Oh yeah I would,

yeah I would, we would go to,

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we would

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go to cemeteries and drink there

and it would be just

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that would be our pastime.

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And we just love places like that.

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Abandoned houses

and just things like that.

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There's that is

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I don't I don't fully understand all the,

the forces involved, obviously, but,

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you know, Christ coming in and defeating

death and conquering the grave.

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And, you know, either the core fundamental

doctrines of Christianity

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about how death is a great evil

that, God has conquered

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and Christ has conquered,

but then you have these other groups,

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Gothic, you know, neo paganism,

I guess, you know,

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some of these groups that are say,

oh, well, no, that's not that.

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They reinterpret what death is and turn it

into something that's they glamorize it.

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Yeah.

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There you go. That's

maybe the word I'm looking for.

279

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And I as a Christian,

I've never understood that.

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They just seems I don't get it at all.

281

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But hearing what you're describing.

282

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Wow. That's

actually starting to make sense.

283

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You know how someone could get into that?

Yeah.

284

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You know,

if they don't have the Christian framework

285

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of how death is viewed through, you know,

in the lens of Scripture, they say that

286

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they see it as a bad thing,

like they don't want to live in the world.

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Like, for me personally,

I didn't like the world that I was in.

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I thought people were judging me.

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I couldn't identify with people.

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So I thought, well, well,

291

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these people understand me.

292

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It feels good to be when you are down

and like they're

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the loner stage of life.

294

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It it is just appealing to, you know,

I don't understand it.

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Now either,

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but yeah, it was just some

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it was just,

I don't know, it was different.

298

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And you can escape into that.

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Reality almost like, like escapism.

300

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I hesitate to use that term

because I'm sure there's more involved.

301

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But escapism is very real

for a lot of people.

302

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They just want to get out

of whatever situation they're in.

303

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You mentioned loneliness too.

304

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It feels like that's

an important part of this story.

305

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Like looking for friends,

looking for a place.

306

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Well, yeah. Looking for a place.

307

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A place to belong. To be a part of.

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Would have that...

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Maybe at the time,

you couldn't have articulated like that.

310

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But that would have been a one of the

driving factors for you, I assume.

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I suppose, because I don't know,

was I too emotional or a deep thinker?

312

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But I felt like that subculture

in particular understand me.

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Like when children are sad

and then they hear sad music.

314

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And I was like, oh yeah, that's

exactly what I'm going through.

315

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Even though it was just a really.

316

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Teenagers really

sometimes have silly problems. But anyway,

317

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yeah, I guess that's what gets you.

318

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These people understand me.

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They know exactly what I'm going through.

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They're not trying to help me.

They're just being. Misery loves company.

321

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And that's how it was

when we were sad together.

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You know,

323

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was there any particular worldviews that

you would have started associating with?

324

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I mean, you mentioned the Gothic scene.

325

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Were there

others like, you know, New Age,

326

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different forms

of the New Age, movement, and

327

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there's different spiritualist movements

and so forth

328

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that tend to get wrapped in with,

as you mentioned, paganism.

329

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But were there any in particular

that you would have said?

330

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Yeah, I identify with that.

331

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I'm a part of this group.

332

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Maybe later on when I met my husband.

333

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Okay.

334

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So that story goes well in my 20s then,

335

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because I would still

was in the subculture until like the 2012

336

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when, like the end of the world and the

Mayans were you in on that, a little bit.

337

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Yeah. That. Yeah.

338

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That was I looked into that a little bit.

339

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And for those listening, I may not have

a clue what we're talking about.

340

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Yeah. That was really a thing.

341

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Yeah.

342

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You know, because the Mayan calendar

supposedly ended in the year 2012.

343

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And so that means the world's

going to end or something,

344

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or there was all kinds

of different interpretations.

345

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So I read some of the literature on it.

346

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Just be like, what what is going on?

347

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And yeah, that was

that was really a thing for a while.

348

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Obviously it's not anymore

because that has come and gone and

349

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but yeah, so

350

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it was that,

351

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it was that kind of a turning point

for you, like it was supposed to end

352

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and it didn't,

353

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it was more that it was supposed to like

transition into, like this better place,

354

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like the world was supposed to be

a better place or something like that.

355

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well, that didn't happen. No, it did not.

356

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You see, when you when you strive

for your problems to disappear.

357

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And the easiest way would be for the,

for the world to end

358

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or just to transform into a better place.

359

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Oh, that is profound.

360

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Yeah.

361

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Yeah, that makes so much more.

362

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And then, you know.

363

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so no wonder a lot of people

really probably latched on to that,

364

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to looking for hope.

365

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Yeah, It's like, oh, well,

I don't have to.

366

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I know I'm

367

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in so much debt now when this world ends,

or if we go into the four dimension

368

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or whatever they were calling it, I'm

not into that anymore, I am.

369

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Everyone's happy.

370

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I can start over.

371

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I don't know, things like that.

372

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So that

373

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that was a pivot point

then for you that year.

374

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Yeah. Because at the time then I know

375

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my now husband

and we were talking a lot about it.

376

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So I guess we were learning the different

377

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spiritual

378

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things about New Age,

like how there is, I don't know,

379

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I don't want to go into details

because I don't want to influence anybody.

380

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So but that that's where the new age

element starts coming in

381

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which, which also for anyone listening,

we did interview your husband as well.

382

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Got some of his story.

383

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So Enda yeah, his his name and I'm

not sure which order we’ll release.

384

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Which one will come first.

385

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But anyways,

386

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because he was describing

some of the new age and its appeal,

387

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you know, to, to people and, and I can

I honestly, I can see that

388

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like if you didn't have a community or a,

389

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the Christian setting or,

you know, close friends like that,

390

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you're looking for something,

you know, well, okay.

391

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To back up a little bit because he's, he's

Irish, you're Slovakian.

392

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How did you all meet

and then start doing this new age thing

393

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and yeah, walk me through that

394

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because those two countries

aren't exactly close to each other.

395

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Yeah.

396

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Well, I wanted to learn English,

397

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I went prior, I met him,

I went to England for two months,

398

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and so I wanted to kind of push off

and to keep going.

399

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And so I just was looking for

400

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like some sort of a chat room

that with native English speakers.

401

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And that's where I met my husband,

402

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and I was 16 at the time,

403

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and he was 19,

and the year after I went to Ireland

404

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and, yeah, we met as well.

405

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In Dublin.

406

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We met twice, and then we kind of just,

had a relationship online mostly.

407

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So it was a long distance relationship.

408

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And it went on, I was going to Ireland

409

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every summer holidays,

and then I will come back.

410

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And then eventually

411

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my husband would come to Slovakia for,

I think, about eight months or so,

412

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and we would just go back and forth

until 2014.

413

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That's

where I came to Ireland permanently.

414

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Yeah.

415

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again,

this is where the new age element starts

416

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coming in right after this

417

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point after the 2012,

418

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thing, you know, and,

and so that gets involved.

419

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Were you doing this,

you and your husband together?

420

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I assume there's that element.

421

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Yeah, yeah,

422

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yeah, because there was this lady that

we were influenced by and she had some,

423

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Now, when I think about it, it was.

424

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It was real.

425

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I'm not saying it wasn't,

but the things she thought she was talking

426

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to was not,

427

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some ascended master aliens up in the sky,

428

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but they were demons,

429

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basically, she was channeling

and she didn't know about it.

430

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She thought she was talking to, like a

431

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like a group.

432

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How would I say a group

433

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awareness of some sort like the, there's.

434

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Yeah, there's teachings on that, like

the divine conscious ness of whatever,

435

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you know, it might be.

436

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And we can access it through different,

different means.

437

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And that would that would be very part

of the New Age movement.

438

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Right?

439

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They all get jumbled in my mind.

440

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Yeah.

441

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You know,

But the basic theory about that,

442

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like everyone is a part

of this consciousness and,

443

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and you are here to raise vibrations

or something like that.

444

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And it's very selfish,

self-centered religion.

445

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It's basically,

446

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you are a god in a, in a center,

a part of your part of the divine.

447

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Yeah.

448

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Do you have the role to to help people to

to be enlightened or something.

449

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I don't know.

450

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But it's

very it's a very self-centered setting.

451

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Yeah.

452

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But again that just strikes me as

453

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you know you were searching,

454

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you were searching for something and

455

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without guidance or, or the right people

in your life it's easy to, to.

456

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Well we should try this.

457

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Well and you know

you're trying things like okay is this it,

458

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is this the real thing. You know.

459

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And I'm guessing this, this lady

460

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that, you were connecting with

probably had many things

461

00:22:24,885 --> 00:22:28,305

that she did that sounded really

convincing or or were very convincing.

462

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Maybe they were the real.

463

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They seemed very real.

464

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I don't know

if you want to speak into that, but,

465

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because if there's dark forces involved,

I'm guessing there's

466

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there are elements

that are quite convincing.

467

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Very, because we got so deep into it

that we wanted to do it as well.

468

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So we paid a lot of money

to get the course.

469

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And she then she had like an, an,

a private recordings of these things.

470

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And,

471

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she would

472

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interview somebody in this state

and then she would

473

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interview somebody in a different state,

somebody completely different.

474

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And they will talk about what

that person left off.

475

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So it was very convincing.

476

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But she thought she was talking to

something that was good.

477

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Here she was channeling the same force,

478

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the evil force.

479

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And the penny dropped.

480

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And later on, when we found out

481

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that they told her that she would live

into a certain age or whatever,

482

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and she didn't,

she actually die quite tragically.

483

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And that was just like, oh, wow, they were

just playing with this poor lady.

484

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The whole time.

485

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It was very sad.

486

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But I would say we were seeking a lot,

especially because my husband's

487

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sister was very sick at the same time,

and we wanted to help her.

488

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We thought this would help her. Didn't.

489

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So, yeah,

490

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there was there was a hard time,

491

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Yeah I think

492

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humans are and have this

493

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drive to try to understand things

494

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or to cling to something

that will give them hope.

495

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You know

496

00:24:03,275 --> 00:24:05,944

I'm guessing you can you,

you and your husband

497

00:24:05,944 --> 00:24:09,406

would have been able to very much relate

to this and during that time.

498

00:24:09,906 --> 00:24:11,491

Yeah. Looking for something?

499

00:24:11,491 --> 00:24:13,285

Oh yeah. We want

because we wanted something good.

500

00:24:13,285 --> 00:24:16,913

We were also at that stage

I was just really tired of the whole

501

00:24:17,956 --> 00:24:20,959

the things that I used to like

502

00:24:21,668 --> 00:24:24,629

the ugly and the like then

503

00:24:24,629 --> 00:24:28,425

and this poor sister passed away

and then I seen the real face of death.

504

00:24:29,050 --> 00:24:33,221

And that it's not so glamorous

and so beautiful.

505

00:24:35,140 --> 00:24:37,517

It's actually really horrible.

506

00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:39,769

And that made me feel like,

you know, I'm not immortal.

507

00:24:41,313 --> 00:24:41,521

Yeah.

508

00:24:41,521 --> 00:24:43,398

She was very young. And look at me.

509

00:24:43,398 --> 00:24:46,401

I thought it's just old people

that get sick and die, you know?

510

00:24:47,736 --> 00:24:48,612

There was very.

511

00:24:48,612 --> 00:24:49,905

That impacted me.

512

00:24:49,905 --> 00:24:52,491

Really deeply.

513

00:24:52,491 --> 00:24:56,703

And that made me want to I,

I just started to dislike

514

00:24:57,287 --> 00:25:00,499

everything about it,

and I just wanted something nicer.

515

00:25:00,499 --> 00:25:02,250

Something better.

516

00:25:02,250 --> 00:25:05,253

But again, we were still quite blind

517

00:25:05,504 --> 00:25:08,673

at that stage because, yeah, that's.

518

00:25:09,090 --> 00:25:13,470

After that, when we were with Enda’s,

my husband's mum for a little while

519

00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:18,433

just to support her, and that's when the,

520

00:25:20,227 --> 00:25:23,188

the paranormal

started happening in the house,

521

00:25:23,647 --> 00:25:25,565

where we were, and I was there.

522

00:25:25,565 --> 00:25:27,317

Do you want to talk about that.

523

00:25:27,317 --> 00:25:28,193

Yeah. Yeah.

524

00:25:28,193 --> 00:25:29,194

Like what. Like what.

525

00:25:29,194 --> 00:25:31,947

What was that like. Because.

526

00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:32,405

Okay.

527

00:25:32,405 --> 00:25:36,451

So in in America you know in Hollywood

they like to make movies

528

00:25:36,451 --> 00:25:39,704

about these things

and oh, the paranormal, the ghosts that.

529

00:25:39,704 --> 00:25:40,956

It's that. Yeah.

530

00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:44,626

And on, one level, it's

marketed as entertainment.

531

00:25:44,834 --> 00:25:46,086

Right. It's just entertainment.

532

00:25:46,086 --> 00:25:49,381

But on on another level for a whole,

for another group of people.

533

00:25:49,381 --> 00:25:52,342

It's not. It's real for them. Yeah.

534

00:25:52,342 --> 00:25:55,845

And it's pretty easy to just be like,

okay, that's just kind of Hollywood

535

00:25:56,137 --> 00:25:57,889

trying to make money or whatever.

536

00:25:57,889 --> 00:26:02,936

But there is an element to this

that I think we can say is very real.

537

00:26:02,936 --> 00:26:04,187

I mean. Yeah.

538

00:26:04,187 --> 00:26:05,855

Like from what you all experienced,

539

00:26:05,855 --> 00:26:09,109

but yeah, if you want

to describe that for us Well, you see,

540

00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:14,030

I knew that there and Enda was mentioning

a venue was even when he was younger

541

00:26:14,030 --> 00:26:17,784

or when they were just living there,

things would be happening to them.

542

00:26:18,410 --> 00:26:19,452

And I was like, okay.

543

00:26:19,452 --> 00:26:21,997

At the time I was like,

oh, that's kind of cool. You know?

544

00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:24,541

As silly as I was,

because I couldn't understand the whole

545

00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:26,751

I couldn't

imagine it. It didn't happen to me.

546

00:26:28,086 --> 00:26:29,170

I don't think I even

547

00:26:29,170 --> 00:26:32,716

experienced anything

when I was in Slovakia.

548

00:26:32,966 --> 00:26:35,510

So it was pretty new to me.

549

00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:39,556

Like I knew these things happened,

but I didn't quite seen it in real life.

550

00:26:39,556 --> 00:26:43,184

And so yeah there were a few instances

like I remember

551

00:26:43,893 --> 00:26:47,564

like the knocking on the window,

like when we were just, just chillen

552

00:26:48,523 --> 00:26:50,942

in, in Enda’s room and next thing

553

00:26:50,942 --> 00:26:53,903

it was dark

and I think his mom went somewhere

554

00:26:53,945 --> 00:26:58,617

and we just heard this real three knocks

on the window, and it was a split second.

555

00:26:58,617 --> 00:26:59,534

He opened the window.

556

00:26:59,534 --> 00:27:02,537

There was nobody there,

and there was nothing outside.

557

00:27:02,996 --> 00:27:04,831

So that was quite scary.

558

00:27:04,831 --> 00:27:07,292

We couldn't understand it

because we knew that demonic

559

00:27:07,292 --> 00:27:09,419

always does things in threes.

560

00:27:09,419 --> 00:27:11,504

So the three knocks. Was this like, okay,

561

00:27:12,505 --> 00:27:13,882

next thing,

562

00:27:13,882 --> 00:27:16,885

we had the kitten at the time as well.

563

00:27:17,427 --> 00:27:20,430

We clearly see a kitten

climbing up on the bed,

564

00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:23,808

just like the how the claws.

565

00:27:23,975 --> 00:27:25,852

I just trying to get up.

566

00:27:25,852 --> 00:27:28,688

And then I look across the room

and the kitten sleeping in the bed,

567

00:27:28,688 --> 00:27:32,942

its own

bed, fast asleep away from the bed.

568

00:27:33,568 --> 00:27:36,571

So there was like, okay, well.

569

00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:39,449

And it's still, you know,

I still kind of like, you know,

570

00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:43,328

I wasn't too scared about it,

but I started to be kind of curious

571

00:27:43,828 --> 00:27:46,373

in a way.

572

00:27:46,373 --> 00:27:48,708

Then Enda’s uncle's picture

573

00:27:48,708 --> 00:27:51,711

that he passed away

was turned to the wall,

574

00:27:53,004 --> 00:27:54,255

and no one turned it around.

575

00:27:54,255 --> 00:27:56,758

And his mom was very upset

about that hanging on the wall.

576

00:27:56,758 --> 00:27:58,510

No, it was it was...

577

00:27:58,510 --> 00:28:01,513

but it was just me and and his mum.

578

00:28:01,846 --> 00:28:05,225

And no one touched the picture

and it turned itself.

579

00:28:05,433 --> 00:28:09,145

I was turned to the wall facing the wall

and she was very upset about it.

580

00:28:09,813 --> 00:28:11,648

I was like, I would not dare to do that.

581

00:28:11,648 --> 00:28:14,401

You know, that's very disrespectful.

582

00:28:14,401 --> 00:28:16,903

And then another instance

583

00:28:16,903 --> 00:28:20,365

was I heard Enda’s mum calling him

584

00:28:21,366 --> 00:28:23,159

and he just would not go.

585

00:28:23,159 --> 00:28:26,162

So I just wanted to like, why don't you go

and like your mum is calling you

586

00:28:26,579 --> 00:28:29,040

and he said she's not at home.

587

00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,585

And at that point I was like, okay,

well there is something going on in here.

588

00:28:33,086 --> 00:28:33,420

Yeah.

589

00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:37,632

And ya’ll both heard that No, I asked

you just I heard it and I came to Enda

590

00:28:37,632 --> 00:28:40,635

and I said, why aren't you going

like she's waiting for you?

591

00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:42,137

Oh my. Okay.

592

00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:45,849

That must have been, that must have been

terrifying when you realized.

593

00:28:45,849 --> 00:28:46,224

Wait.

594

00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:49,060

She's not even in the house. Yeah,

she wasn’t in the house.

595

00:28:49,060 --> 00:28:52,063

So somehow like then starting to be

596

00:28:52,272 --> 00:28:55,275

instead of, like, not be in the house.

597

00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,778

We started to get interested

in the whole paranormal thing.

598

00:28:59,946 --> 00:29:03,408

And I know there were different

apps on the phone that you could download

599

00:29:03,408 --> 00:29:04,242

and like,

600

00:29:04,242 --> 00:29:07,912

you know, ghost boxes

and isn't like, like ghost hunting

601

00:29:07,912 --> 00:29:09,164

and some of these things like it's

602

00:29:09,164 --> 00:29:11,416

actually a thing

like I thought it was a joke.

603

00:29:11,416 --> 00:29:14,461

And then I started looking at I was like,

no, people take this very seriously.

604

00:29:14,544 --> 00:29:16,755

They do all you can get

all sorts of equipment for that.

605

00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:18,965

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

606

00:29:18,965 --> 00:29:21,634

I mean, in my naivete,

I just kind of a, you know.

607

00:29:21,634 --> 00:29:23,845

Okay. Yeah.

I mean, nobody takes this seriously, but.

608

00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:24,137

Yeah.

609

00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:26,806

Oh, no ghost hunting

and all the equipment that comes with

610

00:29:26,806 --> 00:29:30,310

it is very much a real thing,

which is terrifying.

611

00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:31,144

And Yeah.

612

00:29:31,144 --> 00:29:34,481

But some people just get some sort of

how would I say

613

00:29:35,023 --> 00:29:38,401

not enjoyment, but it's like an adventure.

614

00:29:38,401 --> 00:29:40,111

It's kind of like curiosity.

615

00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:40,528

Yeah.

616

00:29:40,528 --> 00:29:44,783

Like this is

but but even you said like before you went

617

00:29:45,283 --> 00:29:47,327

and experienced it

yourself. You're like, oh, okay.

618

00:29:47,327 --> 00:29:50,371

Like it didn't really it didn't. Yeah.

619

00:29:50,663 --> 00:29:55,043

As as something, wait,

this is actually horrifying and not okay.

620

00:29:55,251 --> 00:29:55,919

Because you might think

621

00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:59,672

that maybe it's just ghosts

and they may want to say something,

622

00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:03,301

you know, because I knew they were demons,

but I thought demons were different.

623

00:30:03,802 --> 00:30:04,677

I thought demons

624

00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:06,846

do worse things

625

00:30:06,846 --> 00:30:09,808

than just knock on windows,

you know, like, yeah.

626

00:30:09,891 --> 00:30:11,851

Now, now, you

you would have known there's demons.

627

00:30:11,851 --> 00:30:12,769

Like, why is that?

628

00:30:12,769 --> 00:30:16,773

From your experience, going to church

right early on or the music

629

00:30:16,773 --> 00:30:18,149

or something like that, but.

630

00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:20,568

okay.

But you didn't put the two together that.

631

00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:25,281

Hey maybe,

perhaps the demonic element is behind

632

00:30:25,281 --> 00:30:29,202

these things with the new age stuff

you're involved in and, and so forth.

633

00:30:29,410 --> 00:30:32,163

The connection hadn't been made yet

for you at this point.

634

00:30:32,163 --> 00:30:34,123

no, I didn't think that at all.

635

00:30:34,123 --> 00:30:35,625

That's in it.

636

00:30:35,625 --> 00:30:36,042

That's it.

637

00:30:36,042 --> 00:30:40,338

That's I think a very important piece

I think because I know

638

00:30:40,338 --> 00:30:41,756

there have been plenty of times in my life

639

00:30:41,756 --> 00:30:43,925

where I just thought,

oh, anybody involved in this stuff

640

00:30:43,925 --> 00:30:47,929

must clearly know

that they're involved with dark forces.

641

00:30:47,929 --> 00:30:49,305

And I've been hearing more and more.

642

00:30:49,305 --> 00:30:53,518

No, it's actually deceives

like, it's deception.

643

00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:54,352

Yeah, yeah.

644

00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:56,271

Again,

when I was interviewing your husband,

645

00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:59,357

he was saying we were trying to

we thought we were trying to do

646

00:30:59,357 --> 00:31:03,653

good things, and we were completely off,

you know, I mean, very dicey,

647

00:31:03,653 --> 00:31:06,823

you know, just just,

you know, clearly had it wrong.

648

00:31:06,948 --> 00:31:10,702

But at the time, it felt like we were

trying to do what was right, you know,

649

00:31:12,579 --> 00:31:13,580

Wow. Wild.

650

00:31:13,580 --> 00:31:14,414

Yeah. Yeah.

651

00:31:14,414 --> 00:31:18,167

Now, I think that these are really

important pieces because it's so easy to,

652

00:31:18,793 --> 00:31:20,003

misunderstand these things

653

00:31:20,003 --> 00:31:23,464

or maybe not take them seriously

or whatever the case may be.

654

00:31:23,756 --> 00:31:23,923

Yeah.

655

00:31:23,923 --> 00:31:28,803

So with the paranormal, situation

like the.

656

00:31:29,137 --> 00:31:30,471

Yeah, that must have.

657

00:31:30,471 --> 00:31:33,266

Did that have a pretty big effect

on your worldview and,

658

00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:34,934

and how you thought about these things.

Yeah.

659

00:31:34,934 --> 00:31:38,479

Because it introduced me to like, oh, wow,

the spiritual world is true is real.

660

00:31:38,688 --> 00:31:41,983

I still didn't think of God

or heaven or hell,

661

00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:46,154

but it just opened the possibility

of of life after death.

662

00:31:46,863 --> 00:31:50,241

You know that there, there,

there is more to life.

663

00:31:50,617 --> 00:31:52,619

Like you just

664

00:31:52,619 --> 00:31:53,578

made it, did it.

665

00:31:53,578 --> 00:31:55,747

I believed, like I just had an idea of it.

666

00:31:55,747 --> 00:31:58,416

But now I believe that

there is like when you die, you, you,

667

00:31:58,416 --> 00:31:59,584

you are still going to live.

668

00:32:00,835 --> 00:32:01,753

So we were then going

669

00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:05,465

into deeper into the paranormal

because I don't know why I was so curious.

670

00:32:05,548 --> 00:32:09,135

But yeah,

we watched hundreds and hundreds of them,

671

00:32:09,636 --> 00:32:12,513

and then we started

672

00:32:12,513 --> 00:32:15,767

to see a pattern in

how these things operate,

673

00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:18,853

how they just subtly start

with just making

674

00:32:18,853 --> 00:32:21,856

people argue or,

675

00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,026

you know, sometimes

676

00:32:25,026 --> 00:32:29,364

paranormal things or, or demonic forces

don't just necessarily move stuff.

677

00:32:29,864 --> 00:32:34,077

They usually work on your emotions

and they separate people

678

00:32:35,370 --> 00:32:36,496

and, yeah.

679

00:32:36,496 --> 00:32:40,792

So start to see different patterns

and then different ways that help people

680

00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:44,170

who are dealing with these things,

how they were trying to get rid of them.

681

00:32:44,921 --> 00:32:47,924

So our mission was to get rid of it.

682

00:32:49,092 --> 00:32:52,261

And so, we started to see that,

683

00:32:53,554 --> 00:32:56,557

like these people, they were smudging

the place with sage and things like that.

684

00:32:56,557 --> 00:32:58,726

The things always came back.

685

00:32:58,726 --> 00:33:01,562

So we abandoned that idea

with a straight away.

686

00:33:01,562 --> 00:33:04,524

And then and then this man,

687

00:33:04,774 --> 00:33:07,777

he was

he was like a self-proclaimed exorcist.

688

00:33:08,486 --> 00:33:09,612

But he was a man.

689

00:33:09,612 --> 00:33:12,323

Like he believes in God,

you know, we know him. We know him.

690

00:33:13,282 --> 00:33:14,117

he started ordering

691

00:33:14,117 --> 00:33:17,120

these things in the name of Christ.

692

00:33:17,161 --> 00:33:21,332

And I was like, that's very interesting

because Jesus was in the new age,

693

00:33:21,916 --> 00:33:24,419

but he was just like an ascended master,

you know?

694

00:33:24,419 --> 00:33:29,257

Oh, so like, not divine in the sense that

Christians would say he is and so forth.

695

00:33:29,257 --> 00:33:30,842

Yeah, he would be divine, but more

696

00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:34,637

with the knowledge that he had, rather

than him being the savior of the world.

697

00:33:34,762 --> 00:33:37,890

Okay, that's a critical difference. Yeah.

698

00:33:37,932 --> 00:33:39,225

Yeah okay.

699

00:33:39,225 --> 00:33:42,145

And then we were like, well,

why weren't they saying,

700

00:33:42,145 --> 00:33:45,606

like, in the name of Budha

or somebody else?

701

00:33:46,232 --> 00:33:49,819

It has never come up in

any of those videos that we were watching.

702

00:33:49,819 --> 00:33:53,197

There was nobody there was called.

703

00:33:53,364 --> 00:33:57,243

They were either doing this shamanic stuff

or they were using Jesus,

704

00:33:57,535 --> 00:33:58,286

but nothing else.

705

00:33:58,286 --> 00:34:00,663

Like at least

what we have seen, there was nothing else

706

00:34:01,873 --> 00:34:04,500

but the name of Christ was working,

you know?

707

00:34:04,500 --> 00:34:07,211

And so I was like,

wow, that's that's very interesting.

708

00:34:07,211 --> 00:34:11,090

And at the time, we had this friend

that used to work with us

709

00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:14,135

and he was the, he is a Jehovah's Witness.

710

00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,346

And, you know, he kept telling Enda that,

you know,

711

00:34:17,346 --> 00:34:20,767

these are demons, you know,

and they're like, yeah, okay.

712

00:34:21,225 --> 00:34:22,602

The ghosts, they're not demons.

713

00:34:22,602 --> 00:34:25,605

And, you know, and then so

and there was on the mission to prove him

714

00:34:26,314 --> 00:34:29,317

that he, he started reading the Bible.

715

00:34:30,693 --> 00:34:32,528

And,

716

00:34:32,528 --> 00:34:34,781

then he got interested in Christ

more and more.

717

00:34:34,781 --> 00:34:37,575

Oh, was he

was he started reading the Bible to.

718

00:34:37,575 --> 00:34:40,078

I want to prove this. This person

wrong. Right?

719

00:34:40,078 --> 00:34:43,998

necessarily that wrong but I just want to

learn more and yeah to have a debate

720

00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:47,627

because he, he loved to debate,

you know that friend in particular.

721

00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:49,420

So Enda wanted to be ready for him.

722

00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:52,673

So the more he wants to debate

the more Enda read the Bible.

723

00:34:53,299 --> 00:34:54,467

Oh. That's incredible.

724

00:34:54,467 --> 00:34:58,012

What what a, hey, it gets

you reading the Bible.

725

00:34:58,012 --> 00:34:58,763

That was.

726

00:34:58,763 --> 00:35:01,182

That's amazing. Yeah. You know,

that's amazing.

727

00:35:01,182 --> 00:35:04,936

So, you know, it says every knee will bow

in the name of Christ.

728

00:35:04,936 --> 00:35:06,604

And it did.

729

00:35:06,604 --> 00:35:07,480

And we went.

730

00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:11,317

And then,

we heard that the paranormal activity

731

00:35:11,317 --> 00:35:15,071

which came back to in this mum's house

again, she was experiencing things.

732

00:35:15,071 --> 00:35:19,867

And so we said to her, well,

you know, maybe you can say to it

733

00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:21,536

to leave in the name of Christ,

734

00:35:22,620 --> 00:35:25,623

which is say, say, go in the name of Jesus

735

00:35:26,332 --> 00:35:29,335

and really believe it.

736

00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:31,587

And so she said, okay.

737

00:35:31,587 --> 00:35:34,590

And then one night she rang us

and she said

738

00:35:35,049 --> 00:35:36,759

now, I don't know, sorry.

739

00:35:36,759 --> 00:35:39,470

But she did see, like a figure,

740

00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:42,473

appearing from underneath

a blanket or something.

741

00:35:43,266 --> 00:35:46,269

And then she seen this hand

put towards her

742

00:35:47,228 --> 00:35:51,315

or going towards her, and

she was so scared she couldn't speak.

743

00:35:52,316 --> 00:35:56,487

And but she remembered

what Enda had said to her.

744

00:35:57,488 --> 00:36:00,449

And she did say

745

00:36:00,449 --> 00:36:03,286

eventually for it

to go away in the name of Christ.

746

00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:05,037

And she said it just went like.

747

00:36:05,037 --> 00:36:08,666

Like that was she

she wasn't a Christian? No.

748

00:36:08,666 --> 00:36:10,084

At the time. She wasn't a Christian.

749

00:36:10,084 --> 00:36:13,171

But she believed in the power

that God can do it.

750

00:36:13,504 --> 00:36:16,716

It's almost like,

do you believe that I can do this?

751

00:36:16,716 --> 00:36:19,802

Yeah. Oh, that is that is amazing.

752

00:36:19,802 --> 00:36:20,720

It's incredible.

753

00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:24,390

And at that point I was like,

wow, Christ is real.

754

00:36:24,390 --> 00:36:26,142

You know, God is real.

755

00:36:26,142 --> 00:36:27,977

And it was like,

oh, we need to come to church.

756

00:36:27,977 --> 00:36:29,854

We have to find church.

757

00:36:29,854 --> 00:36:32,106

And we were just so shocked

758

00:36:32,106 --> 00:36:35,735

that that's where the Christian

journey for us started.

759

00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:38,070

that is kind of

760

00:36:38,070 --> 00:36:42,074

phenomenal to me, that the paranormal

or whatever you want to call it,

761

00:36:42,575 --> 00:36:46,370

and it's response to the name of Jesus

is really

762

00:36:46,370 --> 00:36:50,082

a significant part of you all

starting your journey to Christianity.

763

00:36:50,374 --> 00:36:53,586

Yeah, well,

that's not the normal path people take.

764

00:36:53,961 --> 00:36:56,047

Christianity.

765

00:36:56,047 --> 00:36:57,423

But it connected with you.

766

00:36:57,423 --> 00:37:00,468

I I'm getting a sense

it connected with you and your husband

767

00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:03,888

because you had been in this world before.

768

00:37:04,513 --> 00:37:09,727

This probably was really stuck out to you

as whoa, We've never seen this before.

769

00:37:09,727 --> 00:37:11,312

No. And it was just so incredible.

770

00:37:11,312 --> 00:37:14,148

Especially the way I believed her

when she told me to start.

771

00:37:14,148 --> 00:37:15,733

Because I knew, you know, why would you?

772

00:37:15,733 --> 00:37:17,151

Why would she lie. Yeah. She.

773

00:37:17,151 --> 00:37:17,735

Yeah.

774

00:37:17,735 --> 00:37:19,987

Like,

I have experience it myself, I know. Well.

775

00:37:19,987 --> 00:37:21,948

And at the time,

she was in such a bad place

776

00:37:21,948 --> 00:37:25,451

that I think that it was

manifesting in a bad way. So

777

00:37:26,619 --> 00:37:30,122

it it confirmed

her like it converted her to really.

778

00:37:30,122 --> 00:37:31,832

So she became a Christian then?

779

00:37:31,832 --> 00:37:33,125

Yeah, but we were very.

780

00:37:33,125 --> 00:37:36,295

How would I say

not a like we were Christians,

781

00:37:36,295 --> 00:37:39,548

but we were we'd still we're like

at the very, very, very beginning.

782

00:37:39,548 --> 00:37:41,676

So we still were in our old ways.

783

00:37:41,676 --> 00:37:46,806

Well, I was I, I don't think

I was reading a Bible at the time much.

784

00:37:47,265 --> 00:37:50,268

I just know I got inspired by my husband

reading it.

785

00:37:51,310 --> 00:37:53,980

And so we were kind of

786

00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:55,731

going on that journey together.

787

00:37:55,731 --> 00:37:58,734

And then after this, we found a church.

788

00:37:58,734 --> 00:38:01,737

And because we wanted

to learn more about the faith,

789

00:38:01,904 --> 00:38:03,906

but I didn't want to go back

to the Catholic Church.

790

00:38:03,906 --> 00:38:06,909

So any church will do at that stage,

791

00:38:07,952 --> 00:38:11,163

and it was very charismatic church too.

792

00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:15,751

So it really helped me to build

that relationship with God and Christ.

793

00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:18,212

But then,

794

00:38:18,212 --> 00:38:20,506

we were learning more about the Bible,

795

00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:23,676

and then we seen the heretical teachings

796

00:38:23,676 --> 00:38:26,846

of that particular church

that we were in involved with.

797

00:38:27,763 --> 00:38:30,683

So that was disappointing.

798

00:38:30,683 --> 00:38:33,311

There was like this whole Christian world

that opened up

799

00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:35,855

with all these different denominations

that we just were.

800

00:38:35,855 --> 00:38:36,981

So we were lost.

801

00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:39,984

oh, that must have been

incredibly confusing.

802

00:38:40,192 --> 00:38:43,279

Very confusing,

because neither you or your husband

803

00:38:43,404 --> 00:38:46,866

had interaction

really with Christianity to this point.

804

00:38:46,866 --> 00:38:49,368

I mean,

not not to a meaningful level, at least.

805

00:38:49,368 --> 00:38:51,996

So you're coming in with

806

00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:56,208

having read the Bible and some of the

things that a Jehovah's Witness told you.

807

00:38:56,459 --> 00:38:57,585

And that's

808

00:38:57,585 --> 00:39:02,214

and a little bit of Catholic background,

so you don't have much teaching

809

00:39:02,214 --> 00:39:05,509

or context, I guess I would say

for Christianity to begin with.

810

00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:07,720

Yeah, that must have been hard.

811

00:39:07,720 --> 00:39:10,639

Yeah it was, but my husband has such

a great ability to research.

812

00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:12,099

Yeah, yeah.

813

00:39:12,099 --> 00:39:14,352

There's he had.

814

00:39:15,644 --> 00:39:16,604

Yeah, he

815

00:39:16,604 --> 00:39:20,524

could, he could discuss with this friend

for hours.

816

00:39:20,524 --> 00:39:24,862

Why what he believes in some certain

things is not

817

00:39:26,405 --> 00:39:27,281

the way the Bible says it.

818

00:39:27,281 --> 00:39:29,617

You know, because the Jehovah's Witnesses

have their own Bible.

819

00:39:29,617 --> 00:39:31,160

And then there is

820

00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,288

the other Bible, like, Oh, I bet

those were some interesting conversations.

821

00:39:34,288 --> 00:39:36,457

They were very long ones, too.

822

00:39:36,457 --> 00:39:38,584

But, you know,

it was good for something like it

823

00:39:38,584 --> 00:39:42,171

was it definitely helped us in our,

our Christian journey.

824

00:39:42,171 --> 00:39:45,383

And then we had the problems

with this church that we were part of.

825

00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:47,968

Yeah, we were learning.

826

00:39:47,968 --> 00:39:48,803

We were still learning.

827

00:39:48,803 --> 00:39:51,514

We were still looking for answers.

828

00:39:51,514 --> 00:39:54,141

It was very difficult

in that church for us.

829

00:39:54,141 --> 00:39:57,520

Well because, because then that, that

must have started you on a journey of okay

830

00:39:57,728 --> 00:40:01,315

you've, you've read the scriptures,

you've become convinced that it's true.

831

00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:02,566

You're starting to follow Christ

832

00:40:02,566 --> 00:40:04,485

now like you said

you're in the very very beginning.

833

00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:06,695

Yeah. Steps. You know, of that journey.

834

00:40:06,695 --> 00:40:10,241

And now you have a pretty, complicated

835

00:40:10,574 --> 00:40:14,328

process of, okay,

what does church look like for for you?

836

00:40:15,704 --> 00:40:18,124

I can't even imagine

what that would be like coming in with

837

00:40:18,124 --> 00:40:22,461

with so little context about Christianity,

you would have so much to learn.

838

00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:25,172

That must've been quite the process.

839

00:40:25,172 --> 00:40:25,589

was a lot.

840

00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:28,843

Yeah, it was like the church

where we were part of it was still kind of

841

00:40:28,843 --> 00:40:33,889

bells and whistles, like in the

in a way that you still felt like the

842

00:40:34,265 --> 00:40:37,977

it was like from going from the new age

on all the, the wonders and the

843

00:40:38,394 --> 00:40:41,147

and the paranormal and everything

where you could kind of see and hear

844

00:40:41,147 --> 00:40:44,150

and touch and so, you know, it was

845

00:40:44,233 --> 00:40:46,569

it was very similar in to that

charismatic church to, you know,

846

00:40:46,569 --> 00:40:49,572

people were speaking in tongues

and there was music

847

00:40:49,655 --> 00:40:53,325

and people were spontaneously laughing.

848

00:40:53,325 --> 00:40:57,872

And it was, you know, but it was not

in their eyes that that was that was God.

849

00:40:58,164 --> 00:41:01,167

There was the Holy Spirit,

there was the opposite.

850

00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:04,378

But I started feeling like, well,

I don't feel that way.

851

00:41:04,378 --> 00:41:06,380

I don't feel like bursting out

laughing, or

852

00:41:06,380 --> 00:41:09,550

speaking in tongues or am I not believing

enough?

853

00:41:10,342 --> 00:41:13,471

You know, if I, I,

I started just feeling that way.

854

00:41:13,471 --> 00:41:16,599

It's like I just couldn't

feel what those people were feeling. Ooh.

855

00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,852

And that that must have been disorienting.

856

00:41:20,144 --> 00:41:22,563

Yeah. It was. And so I was kind of like

857

00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:26,108

how would I say I just had to go to God.

858

00:41:26,108 --> 00:41:29,111

Like how do, how do Christian live.

859

00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:32,198

Like I know there's Muslims

and they have their communities

860

00:41:32,198 --> 00:41:35,993

and they have their different clothes

and they have their culture

861

00:41:36,494 --> 00:41:39,580

that they had their faith,

but they live in it all the time.

862

00:41:41,123 --> 00:41:43,250

I go here, and I feel good for the Sunday.

863

00:41:43,250 --> 00:41:47,713

And then I come home, back to my own bed

and my life, you know.

864

00:41:47,713 --> 00:41:49,298

Yeah. And I wanted something more.

865

00:41:49,298 --> 00:41:54,178

I wanted to live it every day

because it just felt right at that time.

866

00:41:54,178 --> 00:41:56,263

It's like, God takes

867

00:41:56,263 --> 00:41:59,266

the the darkness out of your eyes and the

868

00:42:00,100 --> 00:42:04,021

you want him more and more

and you don't find you love.

869

00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:05,648

I used to hate color.

870

00:42:05,648 --> 00:42:07,525

Like I was always

wearing black and stuff, and

871

00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:11,195

it just I started to enjoy things.

872

00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:17,117

I loved flowers, everything lovely and

colorful, and I just wanted to be in that.

873

00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:21,789

And it wasn't when I came back home

from church, like we had no community.

874

00:42:22,414 --> 00:42:24,667

Those people just went back

to their own work.

875

00:42:24,667 --> 00:42:25,459

And yeah, we

876

00:42:25,459 --> 00:42:29,463

then had a very complicated relationship

with the pastors and the people in there.

877

00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:33,092

The more we knew

and the more we were questioning.

878

00:42:33,092 --> 00:42:37,429

So and I was asking God

about how to Christian live

879

00:42:37,429 --> 00:42:40,558

and so, yeah, I seen people head covering.

880

00:42:41,350 --> 00:42:44,687

Then when I was trying to figure it out,

I think I just stumbled across

881

00:42:44,687 --> 00:42:48,107

one lady and she said she was a Christian

and she was head covering where

882

00:42:48,732 --> 00:42:51,735

I was on YouTube.

883

00:42:51,777 --> 00:42:52,695

Sounds like rain.

884

00:42:52,695 --> 00:42:56,156

Oh yeah. Yeah,

well that lady. really. Okay.

885

00:42:56,156 --> 00:42:57,366

So just searching.

886

00:42:57,366 --> 00:42:59,493

Yeah. On the internet

and you just find things.

887

00:42:59,493 --> 00:43:00,327

Yeah.

888

00:43:00,327 --> 00:43:02,663

So I was like, all that is interesting.

889

00:43:02,663 --> 00:43:03,581

Were they.

890

00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:06,125

When I looked at their vlogs,

they were a Christian family.

891

00:43:06,125 --> 00:43:07,209

They had their community.

892

00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:09,503

They talked about God all the time.

893

00:43:10,671 --> 00:43:13,674

They had all of this music or whatever.

894

00:43:13,674 --> 00:43:15,926

And I wanted

895

00:43:15,926 --> 00:43:19,346

and I, and I

so I learned why she's head covering

896

00:43:20,055 --> 00:43:24,018

and I wanted to

I felt like I want to do it too.

897

00:43:25,477 --> 00:43:28,105

And but I couldn't find anybody in Ireland

doing it.

898

00:43:28,105 --> 00:43:31,108

Like even in our church,

no one was talking about head covering.

899

00:43:31,859 --> 00:43:34,862

If anything, it was more like,

I don't know what they were thinking,

900

00:43:36,447 --> 00:43:39,283

Because Ireland would be

901

00:43:39,283 --> 00:43:42,286

at least nominally very Catholic.

902

00:43:42,411 --> 00:43:43,120

Right.

903

00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,332

But beyond that it's actually

just pretty secular.

904

00:43:46,332 --> 00:43:46,540

Right.

905

00:43:46,540 --> 00:43:51,211

And there isn't that much no Christianity

as we would think of it.

906

00:43:51,253 --> 00:43:53,464

Right. The kind that’s lived out.

907

00:43:53,464 --> 00:43:54,965

And and so forth.

908

00:43:54,965 --> 00:43:57,509

It's almost more like a box

that's checked.

909

00:43:57,509 --> 00:43:59,678

You know, I'm a Christian, kind of like.

910

00:43:59,678 --> 00:44:01,972

Is that a fair assessment?

I don't want to.

911

00:44:01,972 --> 00:44:02,473

Yeah, there is,

912

00:44:02,473 --> 00:44:06,393

but then when you're like in the,

I would say in the Pentecostal circles,

913

00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:09,730

you do have churches like that,

914

00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:13,984

but I never like I did look like

I told you, it's not too bad, you know,

915

00:44:14,652 --> 00:44:18,322

but I just couldn't find anyone that

head covers, and that was my requirement.

916

00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:22,159

Like, if they do obey this from the Bible,

I'm sure they will obey way more.

917

00:44:22,159 --> 00:44:24,453

And they would take it really seriously.

918

00:44:24,453 --> 00:44:26,121

So are we just searching on the internet?

919

00:44:26,121 --> 00:44:29,458

Like, I don't know, head covering

Christian in Ireland and things like that.

920

00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:31,752

Nothing came up.

921

00:44:31,752 --> 00:44:34,880

And but then when I wrote the head

covering

922

00:44:35,214 --> 00:44:37,966

a bunch of Anabaptist people came up.

923

00:44:37,966 --> 00:44:39,677

So, there was.

924

00:44:39,677 --> 00:44:43,305

Yeah, that's what, that's what that's

what opened the door to all everything

925

00:44:43,806 --> 00:44:46,809

through all the struggles we had

and the searches of the searching

926

00:44:46,809 --> 00:44:49,603

of the different churches

and denominations. And we can be part of.

927

00:44:50,729 --> 00:44:52,398

And I really,

928

00:44:52,398 --> 00:44:57,027

I found this particular lady

that I really enjoyed watching her vlogs

929

00:44:57,027 --> 00:45:00,030

and the way she was presenting herself

and the.

930

00:45:00,114 --> 00:45:03,117

Like, she was wearing a cape dress

and she was wearing a head covering.

931

00:45:03,117 --> 00:45:05,703

And I was really interested in that.

932

00:45:05,703 --> 00:45:07,621

I was like, that's very nice.

933

00:45:07,621 --> 00:45:10,958

and presented it to my husband and

just like, what do you think of this user?

934

00:45:11,125 --> 00:45:13,293

I think she was like, she's a Mennonite.

935

00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:15,546

And then,

936

00:45:15,546 --> 00:45:17,131

so I was like,

937

00:45:17,131 --> 00:45:20,134

I wonder if there's any Anabaptist

in Ireland.

938

00:45:20,342 --> 00:45:23,345

And sure enough, there was

and I just could not believe it

939

00:45:23,595 --> 00:45:26,014

that there is church in Dunmore East.

940

00:45:26,014 --> 00:45:29,226

And so we have looked in their website

and then there was,

941

00:45:29,226 --> 00:45:31,812

listening to their sermons as well

942

00:45:31,812 --> 00:45:33,731

as you were trying

to figure out what they believe in,

943

00:45:33,731 --> 00:45:37,109

because we were just like going

from denomination to the other,

944

00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:39,236

and they believe in this,

but they don't believe in that.

945

00:45:39,236 --> 00:45:43,574

And these go to war and these, you know,

946

00:45:44,283 --> 00:45:47,286

so but then the Anabaptists, they,

947

00:45:47,619 --> 00:45:51,331

they value the Bible so much.

948

00:45:51,874 --> 00:45:53,959

We really like the way

949

00:45:53,959 --> 00:45:57,171

it's not just about the outwardly

appearance, but like even the, the,

950

00:45:57,296 --> 00:46:02,593

the nonresistance was very is like, wow,

they, they, they're even non-resistant.

951

00:46:03,594 --> 00:46:05,179

And so yeah.

952

00:46:05,179 --> 00:46:08,390

And they had, got a contact

with the pastor Dan

953

00:46:09,641 --> 00:46:12,436

at the time and

954

00:46:12,436 --> 00:46:17,107

they became really good friends

and he helped us to answer questions

955

00:46:17,107 --> 00:46:20,235

that we had that we couldn't

talk to our pastor about.

956

00:46:20,986 --> 00:46:24,907

And, yeah,

we then decided to leave the church

957

00:46:24,907 --> 00:46:28,076

we were in, and we came to visit here

958

00:46:29,411 --> 00:46:30,996

and this church here.

959

00:46:30,996 --> 00:46:34,917

And then that begins the whole that,

that next part of the journey.

960

00:46:34,917 --> 00:46:35,167

Right.

961

00:46:35,167 --> 00:46:39,087

Because ultimately, had to move

that I'm assuming from a different place

962

00:46:39,087 --> 00:46:42,174

to join the community here and,

and so forth.

963

00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:46,428

I'm guessing that this whole process,

this is probably a pretty long process

964

00:46:47,012 --> 00:46:50,224

from first coming to Christianity

to begin with, to ultimately

965

00:46:50,224 --> 00:46:54,061

where you are now here in the south of

Ireland, now in Dunmore East.

966

00:46:55,562 --> 00:46:55,854

That was

967

00:46:55,854 --> 00:46:58,857

probably a long process

about how many years was that?

968

00:46:58,857 --> 00:47:02,110

I'm trying to think I was pregnant

with my first child, so that was 2020.

969

00:47:02,611 --> 00:47:05,614

So I think we kind of made

the contact in 2019.

970

00:47:05,989 --> 00:47:10,327

And since then we, we, we were maintaining

our relationship with the church.

971

00:47:10,744 --> 00:47:13,497

And because we lived so far away,

972

00:47:13,497 --> 00:47:16,500

we tried to make it our business

to come every two weeks.

973

00:47:16,750 --> 00:47:18,919

But it wasn't it just wasn't working out.

974

00:47:18,919 --> 00:47:19,503

Yeah.

975

00:47:19,503 --> 00:47:22,381

And so we were like,

we know we have to make a decision.

976

00:47:22,381 --> 00:47:24,424

Do we want to stay.

977

00:47:24,424 --> 00:47:29,054

And who knows what Yeah, we will be doing?

978

00:47:29,429 --> 00:47:33,684

Or do we want to join this church

that we want so badly to be part of?

979

00:47:33,725 --> 00:47:37,604

Because we we, we liked

not just the community,

980

00:47:37,604 --> 00:47:40,983

but just the

you live Christ every single day.

981

00:47:41,650 --> 00:47:43,485

And I just really, really liked that.

982

00:47:43,485 --> 00:47:46,655

And it was like the answer to my prayer

that I was talking to God about,

983

00:47:46,947 --> 00:47:48,156

about how the Christian lives.

984

00:47:48,156 --> 00:47:49,700

And this was the answer.

985

00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:52,327

Wow. And, yeah.

986

00:47:52,327 --> 00:47:54,997

So we decided to move over to New Ross.

987

00:47:54,997 --> 00:47:59,751

At first because for a very long time

we couldn't find any house to stay in.

988

00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:03,589

So the the move was very dramatic,

989

00:48:04,548 --> 00:48:06,258

especially,

990

00:48:06,258 --> 00:48:09,261

Enda’s

parents were not very happy about that.

991

00:48:10,220 --> 00:48:12,723

So yeah, that's we moved there.

992

00:48:12,723 --> 00:48:15,767

And then we got baptized in 2022.

993

00:48:17,019 --> 00:48:19,771

So what a what a journey.

994

00:48:19,771 --> 00:48:23,483

You know from Slovakia you know and

995

00:48:24,693 --> 00:48:27,738

some interactions

early on with the Catholics

996

00:48:27,738 --> 00:48:31,783

and then on to these other things

you were part of, and then ultimately

997

00:48:31,783 --> 00:48:36,038

finding the scriptures

and how that completely changed your life.

998

00:48:36,413 --> 00:48:39,374

Yeah. Just completely. completely. Yeah.

999

00:48:39,416 --> 00:48:42,461

It is just a testament

to how powerful God's word is.

Speaker: 1000

00:48:42,544 --> 00:48:44,087

Very, You know. Yeah.

Speaker: 1001

00:48:44,087 --> 00:48:49,051

So I'm, I'm guessing

there's people listening to this episode

Speaker: 1002

00:48:49,217 --> 00:48:52,638

that are on different points

of maybe a somewhat similar journey.

Speaker: 1003

00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,182

You know, they're trying to find

maybe they're testing.

Speaker: 1004

00:48:55,182 --> 00:49:00,062

Is is Christianity true or what

what church should they consider joining?

Speaker: 1005

00:49:00,062 --> 00:49:02,689

You know what community should they

what should they join in?

Speaker: 1006

00:49:02,689 --> 00:49:05,275

And these journeys are sometimes long

Speaker: 1007

00:49:05,275 --> 00:49:08,445

and not always a straight path, you know?

Speaker: 1008

00:49:08,820 --> 00:49:13,116

But what would you say to to someone

in that position to encourage them,

Speaker: 1009

00:49:13,617 --> 00:49:16,620

or any advice you would like to give to

someone like that?

Speaker: 1010

00:49:16,703 --> 00:49:19,373

Well, I’m not the source of wisdom

or like, you know, not very good

Speaker: 1011

00:49:19,373 --> 00:49:22,709

and encouraging people,

but I would definitely say that

Speaker: 1012

00:49:22,918 --> 00:49:27,589

please keep seeking

and there is no wrong questions

Speaker: 1013

00:49:28,131 --> 00:49:32,219

and that God meets

you where you are and he

Speaker: 1014

00:49:33,178 --> 00:49:33,929

he gives you.

Speaker: 1015

00:49:33,929 --> 00:49:36,390

If you are serious about your journey

and if you're

Speaker: 1016

00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:39,393

serious about looking for God,

he will show himself to you.

Speaker: 1017

00:49:40,310 --> 00:49:42,980

If you're doing it for the good reasons,

Speaker: 1018

00:49:42,980 --> 00:49:45,983

then he will meet you where you are.

Speaker: 1019

00:49:46,108 --> 00:49:49,486

Be being in a Pentecostal church,

being out in the world somewhere.

Speaker: 1020

00:49:50,237 --> 00:49:52,531

He will meet you there

and he'll lead you home.

Speaker: 1021

00:49:52,531 --> 00:49:55,242

And just don't give up.

Speaker: 1022

00:49:55,242 --> 00:49:57,619

Sounds like, faithfulness

Speaker: 1023

00:49:57,619 --> 00:50:01,873

to what God is calling us to

is one element, but also patience.

Speaker: 1024

00:50:02,082 --> 00:50:03,083

Yes. Patience.

Speaker: 1025

00:50:03,083 --> 00:50:03,375

Yeah.

Speaker: 1026

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Because it didn't happen

just immediately for you.

Speaker: 1027

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Yeah. This was a long process.

Speaker: 1028

00:50:08,463 --> 00:50:09,548

Yeah, definitely.

Speaker: 1029

00:50:09,548 --> 00:50:13,427

It's nothing radical

like I always thought it would be.

Speaker: 1030

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Just this profound. Radical change.

Speaker: 1031

00:50:16,555 --> 00:50:17,931

But now I just see it's not.

Speaker: 1032

00:50:17,931 --> 00:50:18,390

I don't think

Speaker: 1033

00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:21,393

people would really handle it that

well if it was a radical experience.

Speaker: 1034

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And yeah that's true.

Speaker: 1035

00:50:23,687 --> 00:50:24,938

I hadn't thought of that.

Speaker: 1036

00:50:24,938 --> 00:50:28,442

It’d be almost too much of an adjustment

all at once.

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00:50:28,525 --> 00:50:29,484

I'd say. So.

Speaker: 1038

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I think people just need time

and God knows that.

Speaker: 1039

00:50:32,487 --> 00:50:36,450

He knows everybody intimately,

and he knows what works with other people.

Speaker: 1040

00:50:37,284 --> 00:50:41,371

you know there's a

there in revelation it talks about how,

Speaker: 1041

00:50:42,706 --> 00:50:44,416

Christ followers overcome

Speaker: 1042

00:50:44,416 --> 00:50:47,419

through the word of their testimony

and through the blood of the lamb.

Speaker: 1043

00:50:47,669 --> 00:50:50,505

And then you've definitely shown us

both of those today.

Speaker: 1044

00:50:50,505 --> 00:50:53,216

You know, on, on this episode,

you know, that our testimonies,

Speaker: 1045

00:50:53,216 --> 00:50:56,803

our stories have power,

because of what Christ has done.

Speaker: 1046

00:50:56,803 --> 00:50:59,306

Because because of who he is,

not who we are.

Speaker: 1047

00:50:59,306 --> 00:51:04,352

As we bring this, this story, you know,

Speaker: 1048

00:51:04,603 --> 00:51:08,231

pull this package together and,

and bring this episode to a close.

Speaker: 1049

00:51:08,273 --> 00:51:11,276

Is there anything else you would like

to leave with the listeners?

Speaker: 1050

00:51:12,069 --> 00:51:15,072

I just pray that everyone will find

what they're looking for.

Speaker: 1051

00:51:17,282 --> 00:51:17,824

Yeah.

Speaker: 1052

00:51:17,824 --> 00:51:21,578

If you're if you're struggling,

I do pray that you will get in.

Speaker: 1053

00:51:21,578 --> 00:51:23,455

You'll have peace.

Speaker: 1054

00:51:23,455 --> 00:51:24,623

But God is good.

Speaker: 1055

00:51:24,623 --> 00:51:26,541

And he sees you when he sees your pain

Speaker: 1056

00:51:27,793 --> 00:51:29,878

and he will lead you home.

Speaker: 1057

00:51:29,878 --> 00:51:31,379

Just be faithful.

Speaker: 1058

00:51:31,379 --> 00:51:35,884

Well, Susie thank you so much

for sharing with us today.

Speaker: 1059

00:51:36,218 --> 00:51:37,427

Thank you.

Speaker: 1060

00:51:38,261 --> 00:51:40,847

Thanks for listening to this episode

with Susie.

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If you found this interesting,

you should go to our website

Speaker: 1062

00:51:43,266 --> 00:51:47,145

at Anabaptistperspectives.org

where you can find all our content.

Speaker: 1063

00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:49,022

We've recorded a number of other life

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00:51:49,022 --> 00:51:52,526

stories on this podcast

and I hope you find those interesting.

Speaker: 1065

00:51:53,026 --> 00:51:56,071

Thanks again for listening

and we'll see you in the next episode.