1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:04,800 On this episode, we talk with Micah Lehman about overcoming a heart defect. 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:06,800 [MUSIC] 3 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,800 You're listening to the Dudes and Dads podcast, 4 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:14,800 a show dedicated to helping men be better dudes and dads by building community 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:17,800 through meaningful conversation and storytelling. 6 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:21,800 And now, here are your hosts, Joel DeMott and Andy Lehman. 7 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:23,800 Here we are, here we are, we're here. 8 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:25,800 So here. 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:29,800 I don't know if I've ever been more here than I am here right now. 10 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:33,800 That's, I don't even know what to think about that, Joel. 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:35,840 I'm not sure I'm so here. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:36,880 I'm not sure. 13 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:40,640 So here so hard. 14 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:44,080 Once again, right here all the way. 15 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,560 How many times have you say here in the lessons here? 16 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,720 Yeah. Oh gosh. 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:56,520 Yeah, I'm I'm doing I'm doing good. 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:59,280 How how are you doing, Andy? 19 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,840 Sorry, I just am messing with those earphones 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:02,720 and almost blew his ear out. 21 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,800 I couldn't hear myself much better now. Thank you so much. I'm doing good. I'm doing good. 22 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:12,240 We, uh, yeah, we're doing good. We're, uh, here's Andy. I don't know. Tell me how you feel about 23 00:01:12,240 --> 00:01:17,200 this. Every year I forget about the month of May. And here's why I forget what I forget 24 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:23,600 specifically about the month of May. It is when all the things, uh, schedule wise intersect. 25 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:28,240 There's a lot of overlap. That is true. Cause like you got four H starting. Yep. You have 26 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,380 all sorts of stuff going on. 27 00:01:30,380 --> 00:01:35,580 Various activities, but it feels like those things are in multiple ways are overlapping. 28 00:01:35,580 --> 00:01:39,740 And it feels like may just hits you like a ton of bricks and you're trying to try to clone 29 00:01:39,740 --> 00:01:43,600 yourself, trying to get all to all the places. 30 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:49,520 And you're, you know, you're, you're asking yourself, is it possible for me to make my 31 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:50,880 13 year old drive himself? 32 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:57,160 I mean, just not that I want to advocate for underage driving, but I do. 33 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:00,760 I do want to, I do want to advocate under age driving. 34 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,600 Hey, everybody, welcome to the Dudes and Dads podcast. 35 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,080 So glad you could join us for yet another episode. 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:11,400 This episode, which we'll get into here momentarily, I would say, 37 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:14,560 let's just look, it's going to get, it's, it's a deeply personal. 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:18,800 It is close to home, you might say, because it's in your home. 39 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:20,960 It was in my, it is. It is in your home. 40 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,040 You haven't kicked him out yet. No, not yet. 41 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:25,600 He's, he's getting into that age. 42 00:02:25,600 --> 00:02:32,160 Micah, congratulations. you're still allowed to live at home. oh my gosh. yeah. so we're super 43 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:37,280 excited about this episode ready to have a good conversation with Micah. but before we do andy. 44 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:43,360 Yes, Joel. This episode support comes from Everonce financial helping individuals and 45 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:50,320 organizations come out faith and finance through retirement planning, banking and other financial 46 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:55,920 services. More at everence.com/michiana. Securities offered through Concourse Financial 47 00:02:55,920 --> 00:03:00,480 Group. Securities incorporated. Member, FINRA, SIPC. 48 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:05,520 I've never heard it better. I never heard it better. We're really getting in the sink of things. 49 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:12,960 So grateful to all of our friends over at Everants. So, Andy. 50 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:16,320 Welcome, Micah. Thank you. 51 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:20,640 Hi, Micah. Thanks for joining us. Micah in the studio with us tonight. 52 00:03:20,640 --> 00:03:24,400 I asked if he could go remote and he thought that'd be weird. 53 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:29,120 Like if we left him behind, left him behind at home. 54 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:31,840 And that would be interesting. 55 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:38,320 Dad's going to the studio. Can you please just stay here? We'll bring you out. No, he's here with us. 56 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,960 Micah, it's really good to see you. 57 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:41,840 Thank you. 58 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,200 Micah, the school year is almost, you had a week left, right? 59 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:49,680 Yep. Next Friday. There you go. So you're almost, you've almost 60 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:56,560 done across the finish line. Do you, if you, as looking back on this school year, 61 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:00,960 mostly a success, do you feel like this was a, this was a good year for you? Yeah. 62 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:07,840 I went ahead of well. See, okay, right there. Let's just stop right there. Guys, if nothing else, 63 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:11,840 you can say what you will about the disaster that is public education right now. That's 64 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,240 That's right. You heard me say it, but here's the deal. We are still teaching young people 65 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:23,200 real things, useful skills. And as Micah has just mentioned here, the boy learned how to 66 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:29,520 weld. I mean, almost anything is possible now. Really. What I'd like to see, honestly, 67 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:36,480 Micah, here's what I'd like to invite you to. I think maybe some metal sculpture in 68 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:37,480 your parents' front yard. 69 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,080 - Just to display it. - Yeah, Christmas gifts from him. 70 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,720 - Really? - Yeah, they were good. 71 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,960 - You welded Christmas gifts? - Yeah. 72 00:04:44,960 --> 00:04:46,600 - Yep. - Gosh. 73 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:48,320 - Sky's limit for you, young man. 74 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:49,960 - The forces. - Before you know it, 75 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,600 you'll be welding all kinds of things. 76 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:52,720 That's super exciting. 77 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:54,480 - So anyway, welcome to the show. - Thank you. 78 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,040 - And we are talking about a heart defect 79 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:00,280 that you found fairly recently, 80 00:05:00,280 --> 00:05:02,280 I mean, within the last several years. 81 00:05:02,280 --> 00:05:05,240 Can you start with your story about how you found 82 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:06,760 about your heart defect? 83 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:11,460 Yeah, so in 2019, I was, would have been 13. 84 00:05:11,460 --> 00:05:16,700 I went to the dentist and they decided that, I think they just started for 13 year olds, 85 00:05:16,700 --> 00:05:19,180 they started checking blood pressure. 86 00:05:19,180 --> 00:05:21,700 And mine was really high. 87 00:05:21,700 --> 00:05:27,220 Like normally it's about 120, I think over 80. 88 00:05:27,220 --> 00:05:33,940 Mine was 180 over, I think I want to say 120 or something like that. 89 00:05:33,940 --> 00:05:35,460 It was pretty high. 90 00:05:35,460 --> 00:05:42,980 dangerously high. So my mom didn't really think anything about it. I mean, she like, 91 00:05:42,980 --> 00:05:48,180 because it was one of the grist ones, like, so they're not very accurate. So she just figured 92 00:05:48,180 --> 00:05:53,140 that it was a malfunction in that or something. And then she was reminded a couple of weeks later, 93 00:05:53,140 --> 00:05:58,500 because here at church, we had, they were doing blood pressure things for like free 94 00:05:58,500 --> 00:06:05,220 readings. And so she had me go do it again. And it was about the same. It didn't go down at all. 95 00:06:05,220 --> 00:06:11,540 So then we went to my, what was it? It would have been your normal doctor. Yeah, my normal 96 00:06:11,540 --> 00:06:18,380 doctor. Um, what all did he can't remember exactly? But, um, he basically, I mean, he 97 00:06:18,380 --> 00:06:25,700 took it, but he was, I forget what he said exactly. But yeah, he wanted to do some. Yes, 98 00:06:25,700 --> 00:06:32,140 he didn't. Okay. So he didn't think you're here or anything going on with my heart. So, 99 00:06:32,140 --> 00:06:33,980 he did hear like a murmur over my kidneys. 100 00:06:33,980 --> 00:06:37,380 So he was going to have us do it like a test. 101 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:41,100 It would have been like a catheter through my leg. 102 00:06:41,100 --> 00:06:42,900 And well, that sounds fun. 103 00:06:42,900 --> 00:06:43,820 Yes, it would have been. 104 00:06:43,820 --> 00:06:45,900 Word would have. 105 00:06:45,900 --> 00:06:46,260 Oh, yeah. 106 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:46,620 Okay. 107 00:06:46,620 --> 00:06:50,700 Um, so we get there like, I had to wake up insanely early because it was like all 108 00:06:50,700 --> 00:06:56,180 the way in South Bend and that was, I think I will assert there. 109 00:06:56,180 --> 00:06:59,660 The thing was that like, I want to say seven or eight. 110 00:06:59,660 --> 00:07:00,180 Yeah. 111 00:07:00,620 --> 00:07:04,260 And so then when we got there, 112 00:07:04,260 --> 00:07:05,620 I had gotten all in the gown 113 00:07:05,620 --> 00:07:09,020 and everything was ready, like mentally prepared for it. 114 00:07:09,020 --> 00:07:11,740 And then the doctor or the guy who would have been doing it 115 00:07:11,740 --> 00:07:15,300 was like, I don't really think we need to do this today. 116 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:17,500 And so we kind of left that angry 117 00:07:17,500 --> 00:07:19,980 'cause it's like, it's my life we're talking about. 118 00:07:19,980 --> 00:07:20,820 - Sure, right, yeah. 119 00:07:20,820 --> 00:07:24,060 - Like, I would be, I'm very mad about that. 120 00:07:24,060 --> 00:07:25,060 - Yeah. 121 00:07:25,060 --> 00:07:30,060 - But yeah, where was I then? 122 00:07:30,260 --> 00:07:31,820 So then after that. 123 00:07:31,820 --> 00:07:34,960 - And then, yeah, then we went back to him 124 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:38,880 and he also was mad, the doctor, my local doctor, 125 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:41,600 was mad about that for obvious reasons. 126 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:47,920 And so then he sent me to the cardiologist at South Bend 127 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:54,760 and she had me do some tests like an EKG 128 00:07:59,380 --> 00:08:01,620 And then I think it's a echocardiogram. 129 00:08:01,620 --> 00:08:05,980 So and then like one of them were, I don't know if it's the echocardiogram or 130 00:08:05,980 --> 00:08:08,700 what it is, but they basically do an ultrasound of your heart. 131 00:08:08,700 --> 00:08:15,820 Um, and they saw some, don't exactly remember like what it was, but, um. 132 00:08:15,820 --> 00:08:22,060 Well, so what I remember, the one thing that I remember from this was the image, 133 00:08:22,060 --> 00:08:28,340 like the 3d image of Micah's heart, but all of all of the, um, 134 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:34,560 Like his heart had, like his body was trying to, his heart was trying to overcome the fact 135 00:08:34,560 --> 00:08:39,040 that it had, that there were, well, my super technical, there were issues, right? 136 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:40,040 That there were issues. 137 00:08:40,040 --> 00:08:41,040 Right. 138 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,840 So specifically with blood flow, right? 139 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,160 And so that your heart had, so do they see that early? 140 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Like was that an indicator to them? 141 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,680 Like when they started kind of, or did that happen later? 142 00:08:51,680 --> 00:08:55,280 Well, that happened, I think. 143 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,160 That happened like the day before I went to surgery. 144 00:08:58,160 --> 00:08:59,160 Yeah. 145 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,960 So they found through this process that there was definitely something wrong. 146 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:03,960 Gotcha. 147 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:07,080 And then I was basically diagnosed with a bunch of different things. 148 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,640 I think it's called like the Shones Complex or something. 149 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,360 One of the things being the co-writtation of the aorta. 150 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:18,600 So explain to our audience what co-writtation of the aorta means. 151 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:19,600 Google maps. 152 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:20,600 That's a big word. 153 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:25,240 So the aorta is the main artery that takes blood flow from your body. 154 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,480 It kind of does like a candy cane shape. 155 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,040 goes up and then goes down to the bottom half of your body. 156 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,920 And so in a co-rectation, 157 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:38,920 the artery starts to shrink down in the spot. 158 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,040 So typically that artery is about the size 159 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,960 of your pinky finger. 160 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,960 Mine in that spot was, I think they said it was a typical-- 161 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,600 - It was like a typical ballpoint pen. 162 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:51,440 - Ballpoint pen, yeah. 163 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,280 - Like that's the diameter of what it was. 164 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:55,640 And so yeah, that was-- 165 00:09:55,640 --> 00:09:57,640 So it's restricting blood flow, 166 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,600 thus the elevated, extremely elevated blood pressure. 167 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,360 - Yep, it was high in my top half 168 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,120 and then really low on my bottom half. 169 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:08,320 - Right, because your heart was trying to 170 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,840 push a bunch of blood through. 171 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:13,360 - It's like when you take a hose and you pinch it off. 172 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:14,200 - Sure. 173 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,120 - That is basically what happens. 174 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:17,400 So you'll have high blood pressure 175 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:18,840 or high pressure in one half 176 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:20,360 and then really low in the rest. 177 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:24,480 - So had there been other symptoms 178 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:25,320 that you had experienced? 179 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,460 that you didn't have, like you had some other help things 180 00:10:27,460 --> 00:10:28,800 that had happened before, 181 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,040 that you didn't really have an explanation for. 182 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,320 What were those things that were connected to it? 183 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,760 - One of my major things, which still kind of happens, 184 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,220 but not as much now are like migraines. 185 00:10:39,220 --> 00:10:43,680 I get like the visual kind, they're a pain. 186 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:45,760 Like I still get them like during the school day 187 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:47,220 or whatever and I have to go home 188 00:10:47,220 --> 00:10:48,680 or right before this podcast. 189 00:10:48,680 --> 00:10:49,520 - Yeah, actually. 190 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:50,360 - Oh geez. 191 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:51,200 - Yeah. 192 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,040 So that was one of the major symptoms that we had 193 00:10:55,040 --> 00:11:00,040 And they were like, I would say about 10 or so a month. 194 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,640 So it was like a lot. 195 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,240 - Pretty disruptive to like a lot of things that you, 196 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:09,120 'cause surprise, surprise, 197 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:12,080 Micah being part of the layman family, 198 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,680 he's a pretty active young man. 199 00:11:13,680 --> 00:11:14,720 - Yes, I am. 200 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,240 - A lot of things going on. 201 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,200 So yeah, we'd get in the way of that stuff 202 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:19,040 on the regular. 203 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:21,040 - And so, 204 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:26,040 - Um, where was I at? 205 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,280 - Well, they discovered, yeah, 206 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,360 and they discovered the fact that you had this. 207 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:33,600 - And so then another symptom I had, 208 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,960 which was the fact that I would lay down 209 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,200 or whatever, sit down on the couch, watch TV. 210 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,640 I would stand up and sometimes my legs would just give out 211 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:43,360 'cause there wasn't blood flow to them. 212 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,200 - Jeez. 213 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:46,080 - Yeah, and I just thought that that was kind of normal. 214 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,640 Like, when you like stand up and like you get like, 215 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,040 kind of lightheaded and whatever. 216 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:53,100 like after his surgery, I remember him saying, 217 00:11:53,100 --> 00:11:55,740 oh, like I don't feel like he didn't even realize 218 00:11:55,740 --> 00:11:57,080 that that wasn't even normal. 219 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:57,920 - Gorgeous. 220 00:11:57,920 --> 00:11:58,900 - Because he didn't know. 221 00:11:58,900 --> 00:12:01,540 - So you had known that feeling, 222 00:12:01,540 --> 00:12:05,100 that sensation for the majority of your life really. 223 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:06,940 - Yeah, well, I mean, honestly, 224 00:12:06,940 --> 00:12:09,260 so I mean, this would have been something he was born with. 225 00:12:09,260 --> 00:12:10,100 - Yeah. 226 00:12:10,100 --> 00:12:11,980 - And most people who have this, 227 00:12:11,980 --> 00:12:16,340 like I think that they either fix it by like two years old, 228 00:12:16,340 --> 00:12:17,940 or you end up dying of it. 229 00:12:17,940 --> 00:12:19,260 - Yeah, I think it's like one year, 230 00:12:19,260 --> 00:12:21,900 But yeah, it's pretty quickly they fix it. 231 00:12:21,900 --> 00:12:24,820 And for some reason, no one ever caught this in Micah. 232 00:12:24,820 --> 00:12:27,020 - Hmm, interesting. 233 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:29,180 Until one day you went to the dentist's office. 234 00:12:29,180 --> 00:12:32,100 - Yeah, of all the places of the dentist. 235 00:12:32,100 --> 00:12:35,380 - Which I mean, obviously so forth, like, you know, 236 00:12:35,380 --> 00:12:39,420 and again, the practices of, you know, 237 00:12:39,420 --> 00:12:40,780 the dentist's office and place like this, 238 00:12:40,780 --> 00:12:42,740 the whole idea there was that their, 239 00:12:42,740 --> 00:12:46,940 I think American Medical Association or whatever it is 240 00:12:46,940 --> 00:12:51,280 is trying to find more places that you come into contact 241 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:52,720 with some sort of medical professional 242 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,320 where they're doing that to screen for that sort of stuff, 243 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:56,800 to catch things. 244 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,520 So that's actually where that policy actually 245 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,320 like really ended up in your favor, right? 246 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,640 'Cause at least begin kind of the, 247 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,760 even though it was a little, took a little while to get going 248 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,600 kind of began the process of discovery for you. 249 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,520 - So now that dentist does it for everybody, 250 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:12,080 every patient that walks through the door. 251 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:13,440 - And they can tell the great story. 252 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,760 - Yeah, they do. 253 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,640 - The Michael Layman story, why we do it, right? 254 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,700 I was there one time recently and they took my blood pressure and mine was a little bit 255 00:13:19,700 --> 00:13:22,280 high at the time and they're like, yeah, we had this kid one time. 256 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:23,280 Yeah, it's mine. 257 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:24,280 It was my son. 258 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:25,280 That's me. 259 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:26,280 Yeah. 260 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,280 That's great. 261 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:31,400 So you went to the cardiologist in South Bend. 262 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,560 They basically said, this is a big problem. 263 00:13:34,560 --> 00:13:36,760 And then what did they do? 264 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:46,600 She basically said, she's sent the case down to all of the surgeons at Riawea Hospital. 265 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:52,160 cardiologist down in India and said that like they meet on like a Thursday or whatever 266 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:57,820 and all of them will sit down and discuss this case. And then like that Thursday or that 267 00:13:57,820 --> 00:14:02,840 Friday or whatever, mom got like an email or whatever from the cardiologist and they 268 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:09,400 were like, yeah, you're going down to surgery in like two weeks. So that was. 269 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:15,600 Yeah. So then you essentially had not, you didn't have open heart surgery. 270 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,600 No, it went through, so it goes through my side and my back. 271 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,600 Do I show it? 272 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:24,960 - I mean, you can if you want, but. 273 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:25,920 (laughing) 274 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:27,760 - It's kinda weird. 275 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,160 Yeah, I would say about 12 inches from my side here, 276 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,280 my ribs, all the way up to my back. 277 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:39,280 That was not that painful, surprisingly, 278 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:40,120 when they did it. 279 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:42,840 - Well, then they essentially deflated your lung. 280 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,320 - Yeah, they deflated my lung, went through my side, 281 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,760 deflate on my lung and then to get to the heart and then fixed it. 282 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:54,920 And also, I do want to say this to anyone who is listening or watching us live, go 283 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:55,920 ahead and put your comments. 284 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,200 if you have any questions for Micah, go ahead and put them in the comments. 285 00:14:58,200 --> 00:14:59,200 Yeah. 286 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:00,200 and we'd love to give them to the Micah. 287 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:06,360 So, was this one of the situations like, so is, is this one of these deals where the 288 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:13,880 doctor is doing the operation directly or is doing it through some sort of other mechanical 289 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,400 mechanical process. I don't think I know. I do remember going back into the operating room, 290 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:24,680 but there was so much going on that I didn't, or at least the room that they had me put in at first 291 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:32,440 to like put me to sleep with the mastigia, but I don't remember. So what is it exactly? 292 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:39,960 Are they putting something into you into the side of him? So, I mean, essentially the surgery, 293 00:15:39,960 --> 00:15:43,640 And actually, my ecology does, like, what were they, what did they do during the surgery? 294 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,760 Like, what do you mean? Okay. 295 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,320 What was it? How did they fix that? 296 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,880 They basically cut out that, I think it's two or three inch section in my aorta 297 00:15:53,880 --> 00:16:00,440 and placed in this artificial, almost like fabric mesh synthetic thing. 298 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:02,360 It looks like a vacuum hose. 299 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Yeah, it looks like a vacuum hose. It's like my nickname, I guess, right on the house is that, 300 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,100 like vacuum hose man. 301 00:16:07,100 --> 00:16:07,940 (laughing) 302 00:16:07,940 --> 00:16:09,840 Part vacuum hose I guess. 303 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,680 But it's a lot more expensive than a vacuum hose. 304 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:13,520 (laughing) 305 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:17,180 But so that thing is about, I wanna say, 306 00:16:17,180 --> 00:16:19,960 one or two inches that they stretched it to make it, 307 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,660 like they could have put like a child size one in, 308 00:16:22,660 --> 00:16:24,860 but I would have had to go back and get it replaced 309 00:16:24,860 --> 00:16:30,040 like soon after and they just like put the adult one in. 310 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:31,260 Didn't have to worry about it then. 311 00:16:31,260 --> 00:16:32,100 - Yeah. 312 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:32,940 - But. 313 00:16:32,940 --> 00:16:33,760 - Yeah. 314 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:40,240 And so then my veins and arteries decided, or not decided, but will grow and did grow 315 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:42,440 around that synthetic piece. 316 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:47,080 Well, and in fact, actually even before that, and this is what Joel was like earlier, is 317 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,320 that there was a picture that they had taken. 318 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,640 And before that, like other arteries had stuff had grown up around it to kind of help the 319 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:55,640 blood flow. 320 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:59,320 As what it would, the first time I saw it without really any context when I saw it is 321 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,320 like clearly a heart, but there was like your heart had grown like tentacles. 322 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:03,320 Yeah. 323 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,120 Like they're all these extra, like they're clearly like, 324 00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:08,560 I had never seen a photo of a heart like that. 325 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:12,000 With all these other art, basically like to overcome, 326 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,600 your body was, which is just the absolute most amazing thing. 327 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,400 - Yeah, it's amazing how that body does that. 328 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,400 - Like your body was like, hey, not enough blood here, 329 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,880 we're gonna grow other means by which to circulate blood, 330 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,440 essentially. 331 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:25,960 But if, yeah, if you would look at it, you're like, 332 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:27,760 you're like, I'm no medical expert, 333 00:17:27,760 --> 00:17:31,480 but I have never seen a heart that looks like that, right? 334 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:37,880 So, I mean, honestly, as a parent, I think, like, I was scared for you. 335 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:39,960 Like, I mean, I couldn't let you know that. 336 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:40,460 Yeah. 337 00:17:40,460 --> 00:17:43,400 But like, I was like, we, this happened so fast. 338 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:43,800 Mm-hmm. 339 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:45,120 I mean, really, from the time... 340 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:49,160 From the time we found out to like the time that the surgery happened, 341 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:54,200 I think I found out that like the high blood pressure in like late September, 342 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:59,560 maybe early August, and I had everything fixed in the, 343 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:03,560 about the end of August of 2019. 344 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:08,040 So yeah, I mean, it was really was, I mean, a matter of weeks that it happened. 345 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,320 It was like boom, boom, boom as parents, you know, all the important 346 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,680 departments and everything, things and, you know, driving to Indian back and, 347 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:18,840 and like, I knew God had it in his hands. 348 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,160 You know, I knew that this is, but like for us as a parent, 349 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:28,840 I mean, we were just super grateful for the dentist for doing this because, 350 00:18:28,840 --> 00:18:34,600 I mean, you were 13. Yeah. And this is normally caught when you're two or under, under two. 351 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,880 Like when you're born, right? So they test for it. Right. And for some reason it didn't get caught. 352 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:45,480 And so for us, we're just super grateful for the dentist to be able to, you know, doing that. 353 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,560 So thank you, Troy and Vonda. Thank you, Troy and Vonda. 354 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:56,920 Springer dental, not a sponsor. But we're grateful for them. Yeah, we're grateful for them. And so, 355 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,400 You know, it was pretty quick. 356 00:18:59,400 --> 00:19:00,960 How were you feeling when you went in? 357 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,440 I mean, were you at any point like scared or? 358 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,000 I mean, definitely when I first found out, I was like, "Oh, cool. 359 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,280 I kind of have something special." 360 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:13,600 And then like as I went more and more about it, I was kind of getting more nervous about 361 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:14,600 it. 362 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:20,800 And then when we found out that I needed surgery, I was nervous for having surgery, but at 363 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:23,120 the same time, like really relaxed. 364 00:19:23,120 --> 00:19:27,040 And then like the day that the surgery happened, like I was probably the calmest person in 365 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:28,040 that building. 366 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,040 Really? 367 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,040 That's interesting. 368 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:35,240 And I didn't have any medicines for like calming in me, except for when they put like, put 369 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:36,240 me to sleep. 370 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:41,160 They had like laughing gas on me, but like just before they put the anesthesia on. 371 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,680 But other than that, they were like no calming medicines I took. 372 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,680 Yeah, that's interesting. 373 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:54,040 Yeah, I remember just pre-op being with your, well, having all three of you in the room 374 00:19:54,040 --> 00:20:01,040 I was your youth pastor at the time and friend. 375 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:05,640 Thank you. Yeah. I like to believe that your parents would have invited me. I mean, if 376 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:13,920 I didn't have the religious, the religious responsibility, but yeah, I mean, I would 377 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:17,040 say to your credit, Michael, that's the one thing I remember is you being pretty calm 378 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:21,160 about it and your parents also in the room trying to be very calm. And like basically 379 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,960 it was a matter of just getting you out of that room onto surgery before they could like, 380 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:31,640 I think, because they obviously, you were doing, you were really, I mean, you were a champ, 381 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,560 like doing, doing so well. And I know as a parent, you're like, I do not want to introduce, 382 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:40,200 I don't want to introduce my own stress onto them, you know, right before that. And, 383 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,320 and they did, they did super well, but there was definitely this, this sense of like, 384 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,560 once you're out of the room of like, well, here's, you know, now real, like this is reality. 385 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:54,760 That's like the longest time too because you're as a parent, you know, your kids going under 386 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,360 and they're having this pretty major like heart surgery for real. 387 00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:59,360 It is his heart. 388 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,520 Yes, it's the heart that they're working on. 389 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,320 And so for us as a parent, you know, for me anyways, it was like, yeah. 390 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:12,360 Like the slightest thing that tickled my heart or anything, I could have instantly like gone 391 00:21:12,360 --> 00:21:13,880 under cardiac arrest. 392 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:18,920 Well, and what was also amazing though is you were only, how long were you in the hospital? 393 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,400 I think they said to be prepared for about two weeks. 394 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,440 I was in there for about a week. 395 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,600 So six days, a week, somewhere in there. 396 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:26,600 That's pretty... 397 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:27,600 I mean, given... 398 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,080 And that's just, I mean, the amazing thing about medicine these days, given the very 399 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:37,440 serious and like intensive nature of all of that, the fact that you can be out so quickly. 400 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,440 Right, at home. 401 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:39,440 And yeah. 402 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:44,560 So, you have this surgery. 403 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,520 Here's the thing I remember about you after the surgery. 404 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:50,880 You started growing like crazy. 405 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,320 - Yeah, I was like short. 406 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,080 My brother Eli, who was younger than me, 407 00:21:56,080 --> 00:22:00,160 was pretty much most of, since I would say about, 408 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:05,080 since he was about 11, 10, 11, was taller than me. 409 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,120 And then I started catching up 410 00:22:06,120 --> 00:22:07,640 and was a little bit taller than him. 411 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:08,880 And he said he got worried about that. 412 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:11,560 I was gonna be taller than him, like good. 413 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,440 But he's still taller than me now. 414 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:14,600 But that's just because I'm older. 415 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,960 - He got the tall jeans in the, 416 00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:17,960 I don't know where you got them. 417 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,600 Yeah, it's an I'm I just I'm interested in what recessive gene 418 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,100 they use the embracing. 419 00:22:24,100 --> 00:22:26,100 So there's. 420 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:28,860 Yeah, you so you started experiencing. 421 00:22:28,860 --> 00:22:32,640 I mean, all these things it was kind of there were there were new parts to your life 422 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,340 like what you're experiencing physically with within your body. 423 00:22:35,340 --> 00:22:40,840 Do you feel like. 424 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:45,040 Like as you as you kind of reflect on this experience, 425 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:51,160 you know, your dad said earlier, you know, God has, God has purposes. There's purposes for this, 426 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:58,120 you know, this for you. What, as you, as you have reflected, like, what does it feel like has been 427 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:05,560 accomplished within you as a, as a person, you know, with, with this whole process? 428 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:12,280 I've definitely grown in with my walk in Christ since then. It was a major, like, event in my life 429 00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:17,560 that help shape who I am as a Christian and as a person in general. So yeah. 430 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:31,240 I would imagine there's few things that compare to having your life put on hold, 431 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:38,280 so to speak, like that, but then also being reminded of how fragile life is. 432 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:44,800 Because like you said, I mean, any number of things, your dad said it earlier, which 433 00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:46,440 this is, I mean, this is the hard thing. 434 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:50,040 Either they catch it early or it kills the person. 435 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,360 So by God's grace, you lived to age 13. 436 00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,840 13 times I could have died. 437 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:56,840 Yeah. 438 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:02,400 Like, any, gosh, any number of things, especially you being as active as you are. 439 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:03,400 Yeah. 440 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,240 I felt like I was always able to catch up and stay active and running with it. 441 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:12,400 So basically you were like, it's really like you had like just superhuman powers to overcome 442 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,320 the things you were going through. 443 00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,880 Like before I definitely when I was running, I could get tired really easily, but like 444 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,840 I could, I felt like more like a short distance type of running. 445 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:24,840 Sure. 446 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,960 I mean, I'm not a runner in general at all, but definitely as I've gotten older, I'm 447 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:28,960 definitely not. 448 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,880 Well, because you're a sensible person, who runs for fun? 449 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:32,880 Let's just be honest. 450 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,880 Yeah, I'll get it. 451 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:41,000 Then after that, I could run a mile or not quite a mile, but like half a mile or so, 452 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,400 and I could not get tired. 453 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:43,400 Yeah. 454 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,240 And so, like normal 13-year-old kid. 455 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,240 Yeah. 456 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:53,000 And I wonder, like, I mean, so, so had this had this process like had it had it strengthened 457 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,000 your heart in some, like in some ways? 458 00:24:55,000 --> 00:25:00,480 I mean, was, were there, were there, you kind of like felt, I mean, I would just imagine, 459 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,980 I mean, going from pre-surgery to post-surgery and now a massive amount of more blood can 460 00:25:06,980 --> 00:25:09,080 literally flow through your body and your heart. 461 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,880 Like, I just have to imagine that that is a significant, like that's a significant difference. 462 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,280 Yeah, it is very much. 463 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:16,280 Yeah. 464 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:17,280 Yeah. 465 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,760 Yeah, there's, yeah. 466 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,760 It's just, it's really, it is an amazing thing. 467 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,960 It's a testimony of, obviously of God's provision and His goodness. 468 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:38,180 And I think, especially like with your guys' family in particular, like, you know, it 469 00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:47,720 has been one kind of one unique medical thing after another. 470 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:56,600 And I think, yeah, it's just, it's an interesting thing to see how, how, what has come of that. 471 00:25:56,600 --> 00:26:01,720 What, you know, and, and, you know, Micah, I just, I appreciate your, your attitude. 472 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:06,640 I appreciate the young man that you are because I think you're, you're a good example of, 473 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:10,400 like you, like you said, someone who can, who can look to God and say, okay, I see, 474 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:14,440 I see the growth that happened through this. 475 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:18,520 And I see how it could have like a hundred different ways could have gone differently. 476 00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:19,520 Right. 477 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,880 A hundred different ways could have gone differently. 478 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,640 And you know, having more, I think having more young people. 479 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,400 And again, when you're young, it's hard. 480 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:31,880 It's hard to know how fortunate you are. 481 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,880 Right. 482 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:38,280 Like it's hard to know like the good things and, you know, and being young and being your 483 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:39,880 age is as hard enough as it is. 484 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:45,400 I've been reminded here recently of just some interactions that I've had with a lot of boys, 485 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:50,440 you know, your age and, you know, it's a, it's a pivotal time in life, right? It's like, 486 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:55,960 there's a lot going on and there's, you know, a lot of decisions that are, that are coming your 487 00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:06,440 way important, you know, important things. Do you feel following, so here's, here's maybe, 488 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,840 me, this is an interesting question. At least it's interesting to me. Do you feel like, 489 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:17,080 like I feel like you're kind of, I would say like you're kind of, you're not a risk adverse 490 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:23,720 person. That's like, I would say that you're a risk taker. Yeah. Yeah. Much to your parents. 491 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:30,520 It should grant. Do you, do you think that's related to this? And it would to like to your 492 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:34,680 medical history at all? Do you think that has some sort of influence on it? I mean, definitely. 493 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:36,880 It's like that YOLO, whatever. 494 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:37,880 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 495 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,520 It's like definitely coming near to death has like 496 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,920 helped realize like I could die at any point. 497 00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:45,480 Yeah. 498 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,640 So if I'm gonna like risk it, why not? 499 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:49,880 Yeah. 500 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,640 I'm already gonna possibly die. 501 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,640 Like why not take the risk of getting hurt already? 502 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:56,440 Yeah. 503 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:56,840 Yeah. 504 00:27:56,840 --> 00:28:00,280 I mean, I mean, you've overcome a massive heart defect already. 505 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,080 Let's wail. 506 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:02,120 Yeah, what else could I do? 507 00:28:02,120 --> 00:28:03,000 What, why not? 508 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,400 Like I definitely I'm turning 18 at the end of this year. 509 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,960 I want to like either get a tattoo. 510 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,100 I like where I like where this is going already. 511 00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:10,740 Skydiving. 512 00:28:10,740 --> 00:28:12,060 Oh, both. 513 00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:13,840 Both. Why do you why do you need to check one? 514 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:15,540 Yeah, yeah, I would think your dad would be 515 00:28:15,540 --> 00:28:16,100 let's do both. 516 00:28:16,100 --> 00:28:17,100 Encouraging you toward both. 517 00:28:17,100 --> 00:28:17,600 Sounds good. 518 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,340 OK, I heard it by the end of this year. 519 00:28:19,340 --> 00:28:21,140 Skydiving and another tattoo. 520 00:28:21,140 --> 00:28:22,540 Let's get it done. 521 00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:27,740 Yeah, Andy, I'm wondering like what if you 522 00:28:27,740 --> 00:28:31,540 how does one how does how does a parent 523 00:28:31,540 --> 00:28:35,220 handle a risk taking child. 524 00:28:35,220 --> 00:28:38,100 Like given what Micah has been through, 525 00:28:38,100 --> 00:28:39,420 'cause you could definitely understand 526 00:28:39,420 --> 00:28:41,860 like his perspective on life, right? 527 00:28:41,860 --> 00:28:43,220 And all of that. 528 00:28:43,220 --> 00:28:46,740 In a world today where if we could, 529 00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:47,780 it feels like so many parents 530 00:28:47,780 --> 00:28:49,580 wanna bubble wrap their kids and I get it 531 00:28:49,580 --> 00:28:50,740 'cause they're precious cargo, 532 00:28:50,740 --> 00:28:53,020 we love them, we care about them, 533 00:28:53,020 --> 00:28:55,700 we don't wanna see undue harm come to them. 534 00:28:57,940 --> 00:29:04,000 At the same time, we want to see them live life fully and learn how to take risks, hopefully 535 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,660 calculated to a point. 536 00:29:06,660 --> 00:29:09,700 What has been your thought, like your perspective on that? 537 00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:16,380 Well, I mean, I definitely never really thought of it the way that he just said. 538 00:29:16,380 --> 00:29:22,100 I never really thought about it the way that this is because of the fact that he almost 539 00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:23,100 died. 540 00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:26,900 Like, like I guess I never really thought about that being the reason, 541 00:29:26,900 --> 00:29:29,780 one of the reasons that he's risk. 542 00:29:29,780 --> 00:29:30,820 Would you say risk? 543 00:29:30,820 --> 00:29:32,780 Not. Well, he's not risk adverse. 544 00:29:32,780 --> 00:29:34,780 Redverse. There we go. Yeah. 545 00:29:34,780 --> 00:29:41,260 I mean, I think you still like went to protect your kids. 546 00:29:41,260 --> 00:29:43,820 Right. I still want to be like careful when I can. 547 00:29:43,820 --> 00:29:48,140 Like I don't want to go and like jump off a cliff without a parachute. 548 00:29:48,140 --> 00:29:49,460 A hundred. You're not crazy. 549 00:29:49,460 --> 00:29:50,460 Yeah. 550 00:29:50,460 --> 00:29:51,620 Yeah. Right. Right. 551 00:29:51,820 --> 00:29:54,020 like definitely I calculated in a way like. 552 00:29:54,020 --> 00:29:59,660 Yeah. And, and, you know, maybe a desire, maybe a desire to just get the most out 553 00:29:59,660 --> 00:30:01,460 of each experience, right? 554 00:30:01,460 --> 00:30:02,940 An adventure seeker, maybe. 555 00:30:02,940 --> 00:30:03,420 Yeah. 556 00:30:03,420 --> 00:30:04,100 In a way. 557 00:30:04,100 --> 00:30:06,660 What's, what's a big adventure? 558 00:30:06,660 --> 00:30:09,740 Okay. So we've said, we said tattoo and skydiving. 559 00:30:09,740 --> 00:30:12,260 I say, why not get a tattoo while skydiving? 560 00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:16,700 It might not turn out exactly how you want it to. 561 00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:20,140 What are the goals for you, Michael? 562 00:30:20,140 --> 00:30:25,060 What other what other big kind of big hairy scary kind of things have you thought about? 563 00:30:25,060 --> 00:30:30,540 I love the sport of Formula One racing and motor sports. 564 00:30:30,540 --> 00:30:35,140 I think it would be awesome to like get a ride in a open wheel car. 565 00:30:35,140 --> 00:30:37,340 It could be Indy car, something like that. 566 00:30:37,340 --> 00:30:42,140 I mean, yes, they're G forces and I'm not supposed to have like a lot of pressure. 567 00:30:42,140 --> 00:30:44,340 And that's what I have a lot of pressure on my chest. 568 00:30:44,340 --> 00:30:47,060 But yeah. 569 00:30:47,860 --> 00:30:55,540 So my question is, because this is the thing that I've heard about all of the people that go into test rides in, 570 00:30:55,540 --> 00:30:59,780 in, within like Formula One, Indy, 571 00:30:59,780 --> 00:31:04,180 are you excited about wearing the adult underwear? And that's really what I want to know. 572 00:31:04,180 --> 00:31:08,260 That's what I want to know. Yeah. That feels like, 573 00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:15,780 I feel like as when you do, like if you do something that, that intense and really that, like that manly, let's just call it what it is. 574 00:31:16,420 --> 00:31:22,020 The way that you are have to be brought slightly back down to earth is having to wear adult diapers, right? 575 00:31:22,020 --> 00:31:26,260 Yeah, I think so. I mean again, their necks are in that sport 576 00:31:26,260 --> 00:31:33,020 Their necks are so thick because of the amount. Yeah, the only thing that's like yeah free to move besides their hands 577 00:31:33,020 --> 00:31:39,620 So it's like everything is trapped in so their necks would do that if they didn't like go to the side if they didn't yeah 578 00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:45,280 It's amazing. It's amazing people like they are athletes in the in the most in the in the truest sense 579 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,280 of what it takes for physical stamina and all of that. 580 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,280 And a lot of times with the Formula One, 581 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,280 they travel around the world. 582 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,280 So it's a lot of times it's in like the Middle East drinks 583 00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:55,280 where it's hot. 584 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,280 They're already in this race suit that's fireproof. 585 00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,280 And so it's extremely hot. 586 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,280 They're undergoing like so much forces. 587 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,280 They're athletes. 588 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,280 so long story short, Micah is going to get in a race car. 589 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,280 That's what I've learned. 590 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,280 Ian says adult underwear, crying emoji. 591 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,280 Ian, there's nothing. 592 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,800 And there's nothing, there's, I was gonna say, 593 00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,800 there's nothing funny about it. 594 00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:21,060 (laughing) 595 00:32:21,060 --> 00:32:25,540 But there is clearly, 'cause I'm laughing about it. 596 00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:27,120 For those of you that do wear adult underwear, 597 00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:30,840 I wanna just say, just complete, no disrespect to you. 598 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:31,680 - Yeah. 599 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,520 - Zero disrespect. 600 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,880 - Micah, is there anything that you want to say, 601 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,760 like anything that we didn't touch on tonight? 602 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:40,800 - Yeah, a couple of things. 603 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:47,680 the one, the best thing to get you like better in a hospital, chicken noodle soup. 604 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:48,680 Oh, nice. 605 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:49,680 Always the best. 606 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:50,680 Nice. 607 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,320 And second, I really appreciated all like that. 608 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:59,840 I had a huge box of gifts that everybody that knew me pretty much donated. 609 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:07,840 That was nice because even after I was opening gifts, it's like Christmas in August. 610 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:08,840 That was what I think. 611 00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:13,240 I'm so glad you said that because that's something I remember. 612 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,080 Things like this, things that occur like this where you are reminded of really the 613 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:22,400 great community that's surrounding you, the people that love you, people care about you. 614 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:23,400 Good stuff. 615 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:29,040 I'm so glad that we get to sit here and talk about this now and that we can have this kind 616 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:38,800 of conversation because, yeah, it can be scary stuff, but there is something to be said. 617 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:44,080 for, for any of our kids, any of our kids that go through, that go through hard things of it 618 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:50,000 really being an opportunity for them to, to develop that, that those, those can become 619 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:56,960 opportunities for, you know, I look at Micah and I see somebody who has got some things that he's 620 00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:03,520 some intentionality that's in life in a, in a day and age when young people are just feels 621 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:08,320 like they're kind of, it can be push and pull that each all different kinds of ways, right? And 622 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:14,040 And this kind of this sense of like, oh, I'm not sure where my life is going sort of thing. 623 00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:17,720 Micah, i'm just very, very encouraged by the intentionality that you bring to life. 624 00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:23,360 And I think that's, that's a product of the journey that you've been on. 625 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,360 So good stuff, man. 626 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,200 And Micah, thank you for sharing your story, buddy. 627 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:31,200 It's one more insight. 628 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,200 Yeah. 629 00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,880 So you had, you had made kind of an analogy. 630 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,600 You were super good at analogies earlier. 631 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,880 So can you tell me the analogy with your heart? 632 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:46,120 So the way I would see it is that like we're all born with a heart defect of some sort. 633 00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:51,680 It's sin, but like mine is a physical heart defect, but also like a mental or whatever 634 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:52,680 heart defect. 635 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:53,680 Spiritual one. 636 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,760 Spiritual, yeah, that one. 637 00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:02,640 And like the only like surgery and like the best surgeon is Jesus and like that's just 638 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,240 the best way to get rid of this heart defect. 639 00:35:05,240 --> 00:35:14,920 Yeah. It's always a good reminder that the physical things, there are a spiritual counterpart 640 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,920 to that, right, Joe? And that's a good analogy. 641 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:23,720 And the first time I thought about that was about a year ago when our youth group was 642 00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:30,420 going to do a mission trip to Alaska. And so we were preparing our testimonies. And so 643 00:35:30,420 --> 00:35:32,600 that was just a part that we thought about. 644 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,520 Yeah, that's a natural one, right? 645 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,160 It's like it's a major event. 646 00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,160 So yeah. 647 00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:37,660 Yeah. 648 00:35:37,660 --> 00:35:41,560 Well, it's like, let me tell you about my heart, both spiritually and physically, and how 649 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:42,640 that story intersects. 650 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:43,400 That's so great. 651 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:44,600 That's really, really great. 652 00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:47,160 Micah, you were like no other guest, though. 653 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,080 Oh, here it comes. 654 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:49,520 You're going to get the. 655 00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,920 Now it's time for the dudes and dads pop quiz. 656 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:53,320 All right. 657 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,440 That's right, guys. 658 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,160 If you've never joined us, the pop quiz of the time that we just randomly throw things 659 00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,000 at Micah that have nothing to do with the topic of heart defects. 660 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:02,880 Sounds good. 661 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,920 And we just get to know him a little bit better and he has no idea what's coming. 662 00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,380 So sweet. I will go first. 663 00:36:09,380 --> 00:36:12,180 Micah, what is your favorite gadget? 664 00:36:12,180 --> 00:36:14,880 Gadget. Oh. 665 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:21,320 I'm really big into survival. 666 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,620 And so you are. 667 00:36:23,620 --> 00:36:26,120 Yeah, that's another major thing about me. 668 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,320 True. 669 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,160 So I think it was for my birthday. 670 00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,860 My aunt got me this thing called a scotch eyed auger. 671 00:36:32,460 --> 00:36:35,960 It is basically an auger that has a eyelet on the top 672 00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,660 that you can fit a stick through. 673 00:36:38,660 --> 00:36:41,380 And so it's about, it makes it a one inch hole. 674 00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:42,220 - Okay. 675 00:36:42,220 --> 00:36:45,020 - So it's used for like bushcraft making tools 676 00:36:45,020 --> 00:36:46,700 and like ladders and-- 677 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:49,540 - You can auger your way through just about anything. 678 00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:51,340 - And then so you can just whittle a stick down 679 00:36:51,340 --> 00:36:53,540 and use it as a hand auger. 680 00:36:53,540 --> 00:36:54,380 - Love it. 681 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:56,380 I thought you were gonna say the, 682 00:36:56,380 --> 00:37:00,580 so today, I come home and Micah is building 683 00:37:00,580 --> 00:37:01,580 Yeah. 684 00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:03,180 A bed for his van. 685 00:37:03,180 --> 00:37:04,180 Oh, yeah. 686 00:37:04,180 --> 00:37:07,860 Like, they loft basically, like he's got it up and so you can slide things underneath 687 00:37:07,860 --> 00:37:08,860 it. 688 00:37:08,860 --> 00:37:09,860 Uh-huh. 689 00:37:09,860 --> 00:37:10,860 Yeah, I think you're gonna say that. 690 00:37:10,860 --> 00:37:13,260 The van is currently sitting out in the parking lot with it in it. 691 00:37:13,260 --> 00:37:14,260 So... 692 00:37:14,260 --> 00:37:16,180 Micah, can I just ask you a question? 693 00:37:16,180 --> 00:37:18,300 Because I'm just piecing a few things together. 694 00:37:18,300 --> 00:37:23,380 Number one, you are a scout that has a cabin by a river. 695 00:37:23,380 --> 00:37:26,980 You have a van that you're putting a bed in. 696 00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:29,380 Will you be living in a van down by the river? 697 00:37:29,380 --> 00:37:36,380 That's what I need to know just so I can prepare myself. 698 00:37:36,380 --> 00:37:37,380 Possibly. 699 00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:38,380 Yeah, okay. 700 00:37:38,380 --> 00:37:39,380 I see the wheels turning. 701 00:37:39,380 --> 00:37:42,580 Okay, my question, Micah, let's just put it out there. 702 00:37:42,580 --> 00:37:44,020 Favorite Formula One driver? 703 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:46,860 Oh, that's hard to... 704 00:37:46,860 --> 00:37:47,860 That's hard to... 705 00:37:47,860 --> 00:37:49,900 Oh, here it comes. 706 00:37:49,900 --> 00:37:57,340 So when I first got into Formula One, which is about a year ago, so I'm a newer fan, sadly, 707 00:37:57,340 --> 00:38:00,180 My favorite driver, I never got to actually see him race. 708 00:38:00,180 --> 00:38:03,300 His name is Kimmy Reichenan. 709 00:38:03,300 --> 00:38:05,620 He's from, he's like a Finnish person. 710 00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:08,580 - He finishes things. 711 00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:09,420 - Yeah, yeah. 712 00:38:09,420 --> 00:38:11,180 He's from Finland. 713 00:38:11,180 --> 00:38:12,500 - Ding, ding, ding. 714 00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:13,540 - He's from Finland. 715 00:38:13,540 --> 00:38:18,260 So he always raced, or recently he's raced under, 716 00:38:18,260 --> 00:38:21,560 or yeah, he raced under number seven, 717 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,660 which was also Michael Schumacher's number 718 00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:24,820 when he was at Ferrari, 719 00:38:26,220 --> 00:38:30,500 which he also, Kimmy also raced at for a different time period. 720 00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:34,940 But so yeah, he won in 2007, like the World Championship. 721 00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:36,260 That's the only time he did. 722 00:38:36,260 --> 00:38:42,260 Some say that he only won because Lewis teams 723 00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:44,940 messed up in strategy intentionally. 724 00:38:44,940 --> 00:38:46,260 Lewis Hamilton, by the way. 725 00:38:46,260 --> 00:38:48,980 - We're never getting in the stop-talk. 726 00:38:48,980 --> 00:38:50,740 - Yeah, no, we're not. 727 00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:54,140 - So who is your, so that's your favorite? 728 00:38:54,140 --> 00:38:55,620 We're gonna, give me. - Yeah, Lewis. 729 00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:57,540 - Give me, sorry, give me a yes. 730 00:38:57,540 --> 00:38:58,380 All right. 731 00:38:58,380 --> 00:39:00,900 - Okay, I'm just glad we finished that question. 732 00:39:00,900 --> 00:39:02,380 - Oh, finished. 733 00:39:02,380 --> 00:39:03,540 - Ding, ding, ding. 734 00:39:03,540 --> 00:39:04,580 Okay. 735 00:39:04,580 --> 00:39:05,660 - Oh man. 736 00:39:05,660 --> 00:39:06,860 - Thank you, thank you. 737 00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:07,700 - You were waiting for that one. 738 00:39:07,700 --> 00:39:08,540 - I was. 739 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:12,980 - All right, Micah, which talent would you most like to have? 740 00:39:12,980 --> 00:39:15,820 - Racing. 741 00:39:15,820 --> 00:39:16,660 - Racing. 742 00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:19,460 - Yeah, I could have figured that one, but go ahead. 743 00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:20,300 - All right, Micah. 744 00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:26,900 If money or time are not a factor in this question, 745 00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:29,500 when I say time, I mean, 746 00:39:29,500 --> 00:39:33,300 like you'll get what you hopefully understand the question. 747 00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:35,860 What is your perfect day? 748 00:39:35,860 --> 00:39:37,500 Like what's your perfect day involve? 749 00:39:37,500 --> 00:39:40,660 Like what are the pieces to it? 750 00:39:40,660 --> 00:39:46,580 - So in the morning, it would probably be like waking up 751 00:39:46,580 --> 00:39:50,180 about maybe nine or 10. 752 00:39:50,180 --> 00:39:51,020 - Nice, okay. 753 00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:52,620 I'm definitely a late sleeper. 754 00:39:52,620 --> 00:39:53,740 Yeah, that's great. 755 00:39:53,740 --> 00:39:54,580 That's great. 756 00:39:54,580 --> 00:39:58,060 If I had the chance, I would probably sleep until out that. 757 00:39:58,060 --> 00:40:00,060 And when we don't have school, I'd usually do. 758 00:40:00,060 --> 00:40:01,580 OK. 759 00:40:01,580 --> 00:40:02,780 Except for this summer. 760 00:40:02,780 --> 00:40:04,620 Except for this summer, I'm getting a job. 761 00:40:04,620 --> 00:40:08,540 Gone are the days. 762 00:40:08,540 --> 00:40:09,780 Yep. 763 00:40:09,780 --> 00:40:14,540 And then probably go to lunch somewhere. 764 00:40:14,540 --> 00:40:16,100 What do you have at lunch? 765 00:40:16,100 --> 00:40:18,260 Oh, that's an excellent question. 766 00:40:18,260 --> 00:40:19,460 I really like pretzels. 767 00:40:19,460 --> 00:40:20,740 OK, pretzels good answer. 768 00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:22,300 - Or Chinese, Chinese is good too. 769 00:40:22,300 --> 00:40:23,900 - How about a Chinese pretzel, okay. 770 00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:25,300 (laughing) 771 00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:27,540 So you're sleeping in, getting Chinese pretzel, 772 00:40:27,540 --> 00:40:31,060 and then what finishes the day well for you? 773 00:40:31,060 --> 00:40:33,420 Like what's the thing that you just want 774 00:40:33,420 --> 00:40:34,820 to cap a good day off on? 775 00:40:34,820 --> 00:40:37,340 - Definitely either watching or forming a one race. 776 00:40:37,340 --> 00:40:38,180 (laughing) 777 00:40:38,180 --> 00:40:39,300 - Yes. 778 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:42,540 - And also maybe sleeping outside 779 00:40:42,540 --> 00:40:43,820 in like a tarp shelter of some sort. 780 00:40:43,820 --> 00:40:47,020 - Perfect, yes, okay, survivalist to the end, okay. 781 00:40:47,020 --> 00:40:49,100 - All right, so since Joel asked about food, 782 00:40:49,100 --> 00:40:53,260 I'm gonna ask you if you had a sandwich named after you there we go. What would be on it? Oh 783 00:40:53,260 --> 00:40:58,940 Turkey definitely 784 00:40:58,940 --> 00:41:02,860 Definitely like turkey more than a recipe for yeah, I'm hot take I 785 00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:06,680 Don't I like bologna, but not as much 786 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:12,900 So turkey sandwich yep with I would say lettuce tomato and pickle okay 787 00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:18,080 So like subway sandwich it would be with like salt pepper oil and vinegar gotcha 788 00:41:18,540 --> 00:41:22,820 What kind of bread are we talking here Italian urban cheese? Oh Italian urban cheese 789 00:41:22,820 --> 00:41:30,180 So the Italian urban cheese with salt and pepper oil vinegar turkey tomato lettuce pickle is the mica. Yeah, that's the mica 790 00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:34,100 Ding ding ding Michael my final question is 791 00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:39,460 In a zombie apocalypse 792 00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:42,380 Okay 793 00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:43,940 Who's 794 00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:46,740 Who's the first family member to go wait? 795 00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:50,500 And and and who goes who lasts the longest? 796 00:41:50,500 --> 00:41:53,620 Who are you killing off first again? 797 00:41:53,620 --> 00:41:58,580 The entirely fictional but who like if this is the zombie apocalypse show that you're producing 798 00:41:58,580 --> 00:42:01,380 or your family who goes first? 799 00:42:01,380 --> 00:42:03,540 That's a good question. 800 00:42:03,540 --> 00:42:12,660 Reagan Reagan goes for okay Reagan Reagan here's the deal you got a bone up on your 801 00:42:12,660 --> 00:42:16,420 zombie apocalypse survival skills apparently according to Michael okay and then who lasts who 802 00:42:16,420 --> 00:42:17,420 Who lasts the longest? 803 00:42:17,420 --> 00:42:22,540 I want to say Hattie, probably. 804 00:42:22,540 --> 00:42:24,540 He thinks Hattie lasts the longest. 805 00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:25,540 She eats me up. 806 00:42:25,540 --> 00:42:28,100 Oh, like Hattie, you're a survivor. 807 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:30,020 You're just, you're an overcomer. 808 00:42:30,020 --> 00:42:31,420 And then dad. 809 00:42:31,420 --> 00:42:34,260 As, but as we all know, here's the deal. 810 00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:35,700 It's been shown. 811 00:42:35,700 --> 00:42:39,900 The person that really lasts the Zymepocalypse best shotgun skills. 812 00:42:39,900 --> 00:42:40,900 So Micah. 813 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:41,900 Yeah. 814 00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:46,220 So, you know, when it comes, when it comes to that, I think you've probably got a good 815 00:42:46,220 --> 00:42:49,980 You got a good chance of not, of not being, having your face eaten off by a zombie. 816 00:42:49,980 --> 00:42:53,020 60, I think 62 out of 100 clays. 817 00:42:53,020 --> 00:42:56,380 Nice. There we go. You're already, you're primed and ready for that. 818 00:42:56,380 --> 00:42:57,380 I'm not even going to tell you my number. 819 00:42:57,380 --> 00:42:58,400 Yeah. That's okay. 820 00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,700 That's, I didn't ask for that very reason to save you the embarrassment. 821 00:43:01,700 --> 00:43:03,900 I would say imagine less than 20. 822 00:43:03,900 --> 00:43:07,260 All right. Let's end the show. 823 00:43:07,260 --> 00:43:09,820 Wow. Okay. Wow. Shots fired at the very end. 824 00:43:09,820 --> 00:43:11,500 Hey everybody, thanks for tuning in. 825 00:43:11,500 --> 00:43:14,140 Micah, i appreciate you being here as always. 826 00:43:14,860 --> 00:43:21,780 You can head over to dudes and dads podcast.com for all the spicy show notes and all the details 827 00:43:21,780 --> 00:43:26,060 about each and every episode. You can our caller voice mail. 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