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Speaker: Before we get into
today's episode, we want to

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take a moment to acknowledge the
weight of what we're discussing.

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This episode of Queue Points explores real
criminal cases involving artists from hip

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hop history that include murder, violence,
substance use, and crimes against a minor.

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While our focus remains on the
cultural and historical context

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of these stories, the details are
graphic and disturbing in places.

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If topics are difficult for you,
please take care of yourself first.

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You can always come back to this
show when you're ready or not at all.

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We appreciate you listening, and we
do not take these stories lightly.

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Now let's get into it.

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Sir Daniel: Greetings and welcome to
another episode of Queue Points podcast.

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I am DJ Sir Daniel.

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Jay Ray: And my name is Jay Ray,
sometimes known by my government

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as Johnnie Ray Kornegay III.

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And, um, Sir Daniel, hip-hop talks
a lot about law enforcement and how

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it impacts people and communities,
and we have a number of examples

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of rappers who have ended up in
prison for murder in that list.

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Sir Daniel: Absolutely.

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You know, the thing about rappers and
some rap music, um, uh, aside from Chuck

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D coining it as the, um, rap music as
like the, the CNN, I'm not... That's not a

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specific, a, a direct quote, but likening
rap music to being the 24/7 news network

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of the, of the, the community, right?

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Like you always know about what's
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rappers talk about, um, street justice
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Some of it is fictitious, and some
of them are really about that life.

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And unfortunately, when the rhymes
come to life Real life comes

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into play and law enforcement is
involved, and sometimes that can

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parlay into real-life consequences.

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And automatically, right off the bat,
Jay Ray, the biggest example of that

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that I thought of as we were getting
ready for this episode was Snoop Dogg

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early in his career, like when he, I
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launch his, his solo album off of the
success of being a part of The Chronic.

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In 1993, Snoop Dogg was charged with
murder  along with his, um, bodyguard.

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And, um, that trial, that case took about
three years to, to reach a, a conclusion.

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And in February 20th of 1996, Snoop
Dogg and his bodyguard were acquitted

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of murder charges, and the jury found,
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But this was, uh, again, um, in
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shooting death of a Philip Woldemariam.

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And I just, I will never
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Back then, kids, MTV, new
breaking news, breaking news.

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It was either John Norris or Kurt Loder
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being acquitted of these charges, and
I'll never forget the footage of him in

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court hearing the verdict and folding into
his praying hands and his, um, his, uh,

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legal team hugging him and surrounding
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prayer and just being really thankful that
he did not, he was not a guilty charge.

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Because if that had happened, Snoop
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have today probably would not exist.

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Oh, not probably, would
definitely not have existed.

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Uh, but Jay Ray, some, some of our
hip-hop heroes did not fare as well as

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a Snoop Dogg and did not have the type
of legal representation that he had.

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And so we're gonna talk about people
that in fact have not fared so well.

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Jay Ray: Yeah.

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Um, it's interesting that we, uh, started
with that kind of overview of, of the

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Snoop Dogg case because of course Snoop
Dogg was famously signed to Death Row, and

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currently, I think, owns Death Row at this
point in time that we're recording this.

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But it's gonna lead us into kind of
the first conversation, and actually

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in, uh, the, the list of, of, uh,
artists that we're gonna talk about,

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this is actually the oldest case.

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It's 30 years old this year.

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So to give a bit of background,
um, about this particular case,

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uh, this particular case happened
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it's like outside of Philadelphia.

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And on January 2nd of 1996,
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a PNC Bank  in Feltonville was
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And an officer named Lauretha Vaird
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the, uh, bank had, uh, had tripped
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was actually, and actually died.

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So she was murdered in the course
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As it turns out, as the, uh, case
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Philly folks who, uh, did that robbery.

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So it was a, a gentleman by the
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that we know, and I'm gonna
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One of the rapper names was Steady
B, and the other rapper name was Cool

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C. All three of those individuals
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And actually, Cool C is the
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currently on death row serving time.

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And Steady B is in, uh,
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So he has a life sentence in
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the, the death of Officer Vaird.

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And I remember, Sir Daniel, at the time,
I'm curious to know how this played in,

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in Atlanta, but at the time here, this
was a huge case because Cool C and Steady

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B, uh, yeah, you know, uh, hometown
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crew, which included Three Times Dope.

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In ni- between like '86 and '89,
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in terms of musical output, like
legitimate classics amongst all of them.

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And this period of time was
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hip-hop had turned, right?

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So by 1996, hip-hop was in
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So the kind of rapping that those
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was way out of fashion by then,
which of course impacted, uh, uh,

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all of the things around their lives.

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So the fact that their lives turned in
this way was just kind of like jarring.

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Um, but this whole situation ended
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the, the Philly area at the time.

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But, um, definitely rest
in peace to Officer Vaird.

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And, but I'm curious, Sir Daniel, how did
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Did y'all hear about
this as it was going on?

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Sir Daniel: So I, I can't really speak
to the larger Atlanta area 'cause, you

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know, in '96, that was right before
the boom, you know, of after because

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we were gonna have the Summer Olympics,
and after that, that's when the influx

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of people outside of this, and more
people moving to the city happened.

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So but I will, I will say as, as a
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who grew up hearing those, you know,
really revered and respected the

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Philly scene, a lot of Philly rappers,
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So the news, uh, it was jarring to me.

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It was, it was j- as you said, it was
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from that era, the trying to continue
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a lifestyle that the music had at one
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that anymore because that's something
you definitely do out of, uh, desperation

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to, to, to, to fund your life basically.

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And, um, and this is not a judgment.

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It is basically what people,
um, commit these crimes do.

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They sometimes they just commit them to
live, continue to, to, to cr- create a

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lifestyle, to have a roof over their head,
to, uh, maybe even to fund more music.

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'Cause, you know, at that time, if you
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come out of your own pocket to fund
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So, um, I don't know if that has
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given the opportunity to speak
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I, I can't really say, but I just
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It, it, it almost marked the end of an
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that period, like you said, between '86
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and it just stripped away the g- the gloss
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You know, these are kids.

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And I'm, I'm a kid and I'm
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are robbers and killers, wow.

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And not knowing the history or the, the...
Not even thinking about what it meant to

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be a hilltop hustler, what it meant to
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any of that, it was very jarring and
eye-opening, and kind of, it was one of

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those moments where you are definitely,
your childhood is kinda-- another piece

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of your childhood is chipped away.

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And y- and you're n- you never look at
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It's like, "Oh, this is real life.
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And then enter other... You know, at
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hustler music, and people openly
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and, you know, gunplay, gun talk.

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All of these things are real things now.

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So this really, like, mark,
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You are no longer a child.

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You are no-- This is no
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This is real life, and these
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Jay Ray: Absolutely, 100%.

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Um, this, uh, particular case, uh,
the next case that we're going to

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talk about is incredibly gruesome.

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Um, so I wanna preface before we
get into this that this case is,

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uh, particularly gruesome, and we
talked about, uh, last Halloween

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actually, we did a show on horrorcore.

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Y'all should definitely go
back and check out that show.

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But, uh, hardcore, horrorcore,
sometimes hard to say, is a subgenre

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of hip-hop that is, that leans more
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So, um, think, uh, uh, the Geto Boys and
what they were doing, um, Gravediggaz,

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or, you know, artists like that.

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But there's another artist that
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serving a  life sentence.

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So Big Lurch was part of a rap
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um, and they were, uh, LA-based.

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Uh, but he is Texas-born, but, so as
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kinda make their way into other places.

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Landed in LA.

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And Cosmic Slop, Slop Shop at the time,
so this is in the early 2000s, were kinda

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making a bit of a name for themselves, um,
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in time that was kind of emerging, right?

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Um, one of the other things a- about Big
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and one of those substances was PCP.

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And Sir Daniel, unfortunately under
the influence of PCP, um, uh, Big Lurch

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attached, attacked his roommate, uh,
a woman by the name of Tynisha Ysais.

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I hope I'm, I'm saying, uh,
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But, um, attacked her in their
LA apartment, and through a

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stabbing- Um, and so she died.

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But w- what turned this case into
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gruesome rather, is he had been discovered
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covered in blood and, um, they found
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So very gruesome case,
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He was found guilty of first-degree
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And, um, and they only, the
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of deliberation on this one.

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And so as a result, he was
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without the possibility of parole.

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Um, so he's currently in prison
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for the rest of his life.

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Um, but rest in peace to Tynisha Ysais.

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Um, but that is the story of Big Lurch
and why he is currently in prison.

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Sir Daniel: I don't think people...
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remember or not, not remember,
but maybe there's an audience that

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doesn't know what PCP is or was.

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PCP is like, I guess the predecessor
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compare it to was when bath salts.

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PCP, PCP was a, a hallucinogen,
and a lot of people that took it

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would, um, experience all kinds of
crazy hallucinations, and clearly

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it drove people to, to do weird
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and this is an extreme case.

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Used to be called angel dust, black
acid, alien sex, all kinds of things

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that it was called back in the day.

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And yeah, it really was one of
those things that you don't wanna

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be around somebody that's on it.

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Jay Ray: It's interesting that you talk
about, um, angel dust because when I

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reflect on growing up And, and my uncles
were very worldly, and so they would

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often talk about, uh, the different
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would experience and some they wouldn't.

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Angel dust was one of the ones that they
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ever do this." Like, it was, like, called
out as, like, "Now stay away from that

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and 'cause you'll lose your mind." It was
kind of like the, the, the idea of it.

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But, um, I remember that being, uh, if
there was a drug that you were gonna stay

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away from in the '80s, that was one of the
ones that I remember them talking about.

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Sir Daniel: Because the, those
gentlemen in that age group, they came

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back from the, from Vietnam, right?

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They came back from the war, and a
lot of them were... used substances

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to, to take their mind off the
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And okay, so, so Gen Z-ers out there
that might be watching this, you

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probably have seen this was floating on
Instagram, I do remember, and TikTok.

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Somebody had taken a clip of one of those
after-school specials that Helen Hu- I

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believe it was Helen Hunt was starring
as a, a, a high school student, and

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she and her boyfriend, um, were in one
of the classrooms, and he was, he was

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trying to get her to try this angel dust.

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And she tried it the one time she tried
it, and it just made her go crazy,

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and she jumped out of the window.

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And, and land... She didn't even die
when she jumped out of the window.

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She was just so strung out that,
uh, she had glass all over her.

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Y'all have seen that clip floating around
on, on the internet definitely for sure.

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But that is an extreme, um,
example of what PCP angel dust

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did to people back then, for sure.

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Jay Ray: Um, the next case that
we are going to talk about is

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actually a more recent case, but
it involves a legendary rapper that

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was part of a legendary rap crew.

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So Kidd Creole, that's K-I-D-D Creole,
um, is one of the founding members of

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Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five.

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So, um, I... We don't need to explain
how significant Grandmaster Flash

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and the Furious Five, uh, was as a
group, um, and how it changed hip-hop.

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But we have to remember that rappers from
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many of them, the, the riches we kinda
see rappers experience today, when we look

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back on that era, that's just not true.

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Uh, Black Thought has this famous
line, um, "Kool Herc w- Never

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received a royalty check, right?

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So these, like, people who are
foundational don't experience the

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same riches as, like, what we would
see, like a Jay-Z or a Nas, right?

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Sir Daniel: Correct.

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Jay Ray: So, um, Kidd Creole,
um, this happened in 2017.

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Um, he was convicted of fatally
stabbing, uh, a, a man experiencing

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homelessness in New York.

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He had been on his way to, uh, work.

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um, at a copy shop.

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He worked overnight.

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And as the story unfolded, it kind
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Uh, the way it wa- the way I remember
the story kind of unfolding is that there

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was this argument, it was self-defense,
stabbed the man, story ends, da, da, da.

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But as the story kind of unfolded, um,
one of the things that came up was this

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may have been, like, a gay panic sort
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this person had been coming onto him.

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Neither here nor there.

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At the end of the day, um,
the jury convicted, uh, Kidd

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Creole in 2022, so this is what?

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Five years later, of
first-degree manslaughter.

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Uh, he is currently
serving 16 years in prison.

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Um, and, uh, yeah, another tragic story.

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Um, but yeah, Kidd Creole is currently
serving 16 years for first-degree

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manslaughter for the fatal stabbing
of a homeless gentleman in New York.

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Sir Daniel: I find it interesting, uh,
these stories, except for Snoop and the

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final story that we're gonna speak of,
there are these people in the middle that

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because there was a, a lull or a
lag in their careers, or the, the

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career was just nonexistent, makes
you wonder, like, what the fame, what

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fleeting fame can do to a person.

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And it, fleeting fame in, in its-
in of itself is a drug, right?

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And then when you get a
taste of it, you want more.

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And then if you can't live up to
the s- being in the spotlight, which

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includes having to portray a certain
l- lifestyle, it kinda opens you

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up to these s- these situations.

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You know, this gentleman is having
to work a nine-to-five, a overnight

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job, and was placed in this, in this
situation where he came across this

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individual that he had the incident with.

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Not saying that n- things like this can't
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interesting that that is, is the kind of
the unifying factor in, in these cases.

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And, um, but like I said in the
beginning, not for everybody.

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There are some people who,
who kinda have it good.

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And well, let's take Snoop for instance.

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Because of the fame, who knows the,
the like, um, what, what did Big say?

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The ch- the, the, uh,
cheddar breed jealousy.

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Jay Ray: Mm-hmm.

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Sir Daniel: It kinda brings different
eyes on you and brings attention

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to you that you didn't necessarily
have to worry about before, and

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now you have to protect yourself.

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And sometimes, and in Snoop's
case, that's what it led to.

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Uh, and the jury found that to be
the case, that it was self-defense.

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So this thing f- called fame, guys
and girls, it's, it's not, it's

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not what it's cracked up to be.

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And to-- And especially now in this
attention currency world that we

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live in, it can re- it can really
lead people to do some diabolical and

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almost demonic things, and that's what
this next case is going to highlight.

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Jay Ray: yeah, so this is
actually an ongoing case.

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Um, you know, it's so, it, it's
interesting as we jump into this,

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we've talked about rappers up to
this point, and, um, you know, with

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these, with these newer artists, it's
sometimes hard to categorize them.

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Like, are you a rapper?

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Are you a singer?

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What are you doing?

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But anyway, the, the, the s- the, the,
the case that we are gonna talk about

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that all of you have probably heard
about by now, but if you have not, uh,

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there is a singer, rapper, songwriter
named D4vd who is currently in jail.

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He is awaiting trial for the murder
of a girl that he was alleged- so

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allegedly murdered, but allegedly
was also in a relationship with.

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This- Story is disturbing.

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All of these stories are disturbing
in, in their own ways and, and this one

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definitely checks that box, uh, as one of,
uh, uh, a particularly disturbing case.

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And this artist is newer and way
younger than any of the folks

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that we have talked about so far.

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He's quite a young man.

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And but yes, currently, um,
uh, this is underway, so the,

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the, in, in, in California.

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Um, Sir Daniel, did you know anything
about D4vd as an artist before

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all of this stuff came to light?

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Sir Daniel: Not at all.

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As you said, the The uncategorized type
of music that he was doing just wasn't

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for me, so he never popped up on my radar.

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You know, I'm way out of the demographic
for a lot of these new artists and the

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algorithms that they are a part of.

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So I-- But unfortunately, because
his life has taken this turn, now

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all-- it has all of our attention.

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And you know, now we're very...
People are, are, are holding a

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magnifying glass to anyone that is
carrying on any kind of relationship.

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Anyone that's an adult is having any
kind of relationships with people that

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are way outside of their age range.

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You know, especially if you're an
adult, an adult-adult, anybody that's

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like significantly lower or has, if
you, has the, the word teen in their

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age, it brings up a lot of suspicion.

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So, and you know, the way people are
moving, y-you just really have to,

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they really have to watch themselves.

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And because everybody has a heightened
sense of awareness of how celebrities

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in particular seem to move in a
different world where they feel

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like the rules don't apply to them.

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So I feel like now more than ever,
the public and law enforcement is

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scrutinizing every and anybody that
considers themselves a celebrity,

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and they really have to move with
some serious caution these days.

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Jay Ray: Yeah.

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A- and, and to underscore that a bit
too, like, I think what's unique about

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the, the other cases that we've talked
about exist outside of the realm

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of, like, social media in the most,
in the, for the most part, right?

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Whereas- This D4vd case is interesting
because there is a, a lot of, there's

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a huge digital footprint for the
re- the, the alleged relationship.

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I know we keep saying alleged,
but right now we have to say

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that because this brother has
not been convicted of anything.

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But there's a lot of, of, of footprint
of that, the alleged relationship.

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There was a lot of, um, interaction
with, like, the Discord universe.

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Apparently D4vd had this very active
Discord server and would, would talk

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to, uh, his folks there because he was
also, uh, uh, the way he got started

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was, like, game- doing gaming videos,
but the way he started making music was

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he would, like, make his own music to
put in the gaming videos so he wouldn't

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get flagged and stuff like that.

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Saying all that to say is it's
just, like, really interesting, um,

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because there's this disconnect.

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I consider it a disconnect that kinda
comes with living life in, like, you know,

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these boxes, these digital boxes, right?

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You're not actually
interacting with people.

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So there's that disconnect,
uh, that happens.

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But then there's also this hyper
sharing of everything that's kind

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of happening in your life with these
people that don't really exist to

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you as, like, a physical presence.

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It's all very interesting to me that
we're kind of at that place right now,

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where it's like, you know, are y'all
real folks out there in the world?

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Are you a bot?

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Are you an AI bot?

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But yeah, this, um, more to
come on this, this D4vd case.

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This is becoming such a tabloid.

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TMZ is always on it with
something as it relates to this.

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And, um, more importantly,
pray for the family.

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This was a little girl.

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Sir Daniel: Yeah.

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Jay Ray: little girl.

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Sir Daniel: I don't even think she was 15.

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I think she was 14.

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Jay Ray: I think she was 14.

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I

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Sir Daniel: a child.

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Literally a child.

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Which, hmm, which brings up ano-
another conversation about, I think

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with, um, the coming of the, the
upcoming Usher and Chris Brown.

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N- and they have nothing to do with
this case at all, but they're having--

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they have a joint tour that's coming
up, and the question has come up, like,

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with are you allowing your teens and
tweens to go to this show by themselves?

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Jay Ray: No.

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Sir Daniel: That's a conversation
that's c- that is a conversation

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that's coming up, like j- buy
them the tickets and drop 'em off.

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It's happening a lot more than
we realize, than we realize.

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But that's a whole 'nother conversation.

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Jay Ray: oh, that is so interesting.

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I think we do have to jump into... So
definitely, maybe that's a, a live.

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Peace

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