[00:00:00] Eric Goranson: It's around the house. We have legislation issues out there in certain states because my personal belief is that every house should have a working ventilation hood that goes outside the building. Yes. And I don't understand that even in my state where they, if I do a rebuttal and I pull a building permit, guess what?

[00:00:21] Eric Goranson: That has to be a hood that vents outside. I can still go into a home

[00:00:25] Dave Jones: center and buy a recirculating, I'm like, you know, a recirculating hood is about as smart as a recirculating toilet. You're not getting anywhere. I mean, for the most part. Yeah. I think we'd argue that if you've got to have one, maybe you live in an apartment and that's your best option.

[00:00:39] Dave Jones: Make sure you're changing that filter, make sure you're treating that right, but then find another way to ventilate the house. When it comes to remodeling and renovating your home, there is a lot to know, but we've got you covered. This is Around the House. Hey guys, Eric G with Around

[00:00:53] Eric Goranson: the House show. I am out in Las Vegas for design and construction week, grabbing you some of the best new interviews for [00:01:00] 2024.

[00:01:00] Eric Goranson: Now let's go. out with Dave from Bro New Tone. We'll be back next week with a brand new show.

[00:01:06] Dave Jones: I can't wait to show you. Welcome

[00:01:09] Eric Goranson: to the round the house show. This is where we talk about everything about your home every single week. Thanks for joining us today. I am still down here in Las Vegas at the design and construction week.

[00:01:18] Eric Goranson: This is a combination of the international builder show kitchen, a bath industry show, and even this year, the national hardware show. So this is the one place in the world. You gotta be, if you're doing anything around your home. And I'm in one of my favorite booths with one of my absolutely favorite people.

[00:01:34] Eric Goranson: I'm sitting here in the bro. New toe booth where we are going to talk about ventilation today and so much more stuff. Dave, welcome back to around the house, my friend. Thanks. Thanks for having me. I'm glad to

[00:01:43] Dave Jones: be here. Ah, this is great, man. You guys

[00:01:45] Eric Goranson: again are changing the rules of ventilation

[00:01:48] Dave Jones: again. We are changing the rules of ventilation.

[00:01:49] Dave Jones: Uh, yeah. Innovations are our game this year. I think it's incredible what, what we've been able to come up with and just the advances and changes. I mean, we're. We're all talking about it, right? It's been in the news for years now, and, I mean, just the [00:02:00] other day, we had another big news splash, and you can be on any side of the fence on that you want to, but, holy cow, like, it's everywhere.

[00:02:06] Dave Jones: Let's unpack that one. Let's

[00:02:06] Eric Goranson: unpack it. We're just gonna dive in. Let's go, we're just going in knee deep here. You know, the gas range ban, and I'm using air quotes that nobody can see right now, is one of those things that, um, really got me fired up, because I'm like, okay, and you probably feel the same way, but I look at it and go, We have a ventilation issue.

[00:02:24] Eric Goranson: Yes. This is not just a gas range issue. Correct. There, sure, there could be gas ranges that are leaking. There could be anything else. Yep. But that is such a small part of the ventilation problem. Yeah. Compared to everything

[00:02:36] Dave Jones: else that's coming up in your area. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, I mean, anything you cook on your gas range, on your electric range, you could have a wood burning range.

[00:02:43] Dave Jones: It really doesn't matter. Yeah. There's something going into the air off of your range. You're, we were talking earlier, you know, you're frying your country fried steak or whatever it is. Right. That's emitting oil and and smoke and all sorts of other things in the air that you can't see and you're breathing right in without that, that range hood getting that [00:03:00] out, you're gonna run into a lot of problems.

[00:03:01] Dave Jones: So we don't care. Use whatever range you like, wherever you're at, keep it, use it, right? We love it. Think

[00:03:07] Eric Goranson: about this. When you walk into grandmother's house and you have that cookie smell. We all love that. It's awesome, but that's really not healthy. It's kind of like new car smell, right? You go, Oh, this is great.

[00:03:20] Eric Goranson: Oh, these VOCs smell so amazing and the VOCs

[00:03:24] Dave Jones: coming off the leather. I love it. Yep. These aren't really supposed to be good smells for us. In fact, uh, you should be able to walk into your house and smell absolutely nothing. I don't know if your listeners know who Christoph Erwin is. Uh, he's, he's based in Atlanta and he's got.

[00:03:37] Dave Jones: The um, anyway, brilliant guy and he now we're talking about it. And he said, yeah, good smells, bad smells. It doesn't matter. A smell is a sign that there's something in your air that shouldn't be there. So yes, baking cookies, like please, I want it, but no, that like, that's not good. If you've got little kids, like they're breathing these fumes, like this.

[00:03:54] Dave Jones: This is not good. We should get rid of that. Uh, you know, take them outside and smell them. Yeah. Maybe. I don't know. That's [00:04:00] better.

[00:04:00] Eric Goranson: I mean, if they're in front of you, you smell them on the spot, right?

[00:04:02] Dave Jones: Because I'm getting ready to consume it. Absolutely. But,

[00:04:04] Eric Goranson: you know, that's the thing. And it's, it's such a misconception out there.

[00:04:07] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And I mean, we have legislation issues out there in certain states because my personal belief is that. Every house should have a working ventilation hood that

[00:04:17] Dave Jones: goes outside the building.

[00:04:19] Eric Goranson: And I don't understand that even in my state, where they, if I do a rebuttal and I pull a building permit, guess what?

[00:04:24] Eric Goranson: That has to be a hood that vents outside. I could still go into a home center. Yep.

[00:04:29] Dave Jones: And buy a recirculating And they will, they will go, Hey, don't, don't worry about that, doc.

[00:04:32] Eric Goranson: I'm going to give you a recirculating one. And I'm like, you know, a recirculating hood is about as smart as a recirculating toilet.

[00:04:38] Dave Jones: You're not getting anywhere. I mean, for the most part. Yeah. I think we'd argue that if, if, if you've got to have one, maybe you live in an apartment and that's your best option. Make sure you're changing that filter, make sure you're treating that right. But then find another way to ventilate the house. If you don't have that hood, which you should, it's the right way to do it.

[00:04:53] Dave Jones: A hood that ventilates out. I get it. Sometimes you can't do it. Make sure you have something else. Run your bath fan, right? We don't think about that [00:05:00] small apartment, like usually a small apartment is not going to have a vented range hood. It's going to have. circulating, but run your bath and that's going to be ventilated out.

[00:05:06] Dave Jones: Code requires that everywhere. There's no such thing basically as a, as a recirculating bath fan, right? So run it, crack a window if you can, not the best scenario you're bringing in whatever's outside, but it's probably better than whatever's coming off your range. Probably better.

[00:05:19] Eric Goranson: Absolutely. And bath fans are a great example of that because I use them ventilation in my house.

[00:05:23] Eric Goranson: Cause that's one of my next steps is, uh, and I just created my own, uh, fresh air intake problem at my house. Cause I've got a really cool HVAC system, carry infinity. Awesome. Um, I had my dog door, which was my makeup bear, except a little tease for you guys watching the show. My first segment I'm doing on the DIY is I put in the automatic dog door.

[00:05:43] Eric Goranson: Nice. Which is really cool for the dogs, except I just closed up my makeup bear. You sure did. So.

[00:05:49] Dave Jones: Ouch.

[00:05:50] Eric Goranson: That's

[00:05:50] Dave Jones: my next issue. Hi, makeup bear. Makeup bear. I'd love to talk about that one. Yeah. And I'm surprising you with this question. Where are you putting it? Where are you putting the makeup air? When it comes in, where are you dumping it?[00:06:00]

[00:06:00] Eric Goranson: Right now, I haven't done that yet, so I'm not sure yet. Where are you going to dump it? Um, good question. Okay. You know, I have, uh, my, my HVAC system, which is a gas furnace electric AC. Okay. That is in the garage, but it's really close to the exterior, so I can come in, hook into that system there. Okay. All right.

[00:06:16] Eric Goranson: There's some room to do that. Okay. That would be one. All right. Um, and there's other places in the

[00:06:19] Dave Jones: house I can hide it. Yeah, there's a lot. We've, we've had a lot of conversations around that. It seems to be another one of those topics that no one wants to talk about because it's scary. Where do you put, where you put unconditioned air, you know, which is what you're doing.

[00:06:29] Dave Jones: Where do you dump that in? We're, we're trying to work on that too, because that's, that's, that's a big challenge. So I'm always interested to hear about what people are doing

[00:06:36] Eric Goranson: with it. And then my house is even more so because I have a 1200 CFM max put in there. So, you know, that's 1200 basketballs growing out the building.

[00:06:48] Eric Goranson: That's air. Where's it coming

[00:06:49] Dave Jones: from? Right. Yeah. Yeah. Luckily

[00:06:51] Eric Goranson: I don't have any other gas burning. I don't have like a gas, uh, you know, a gas water heater or something. And I'm pulling in. Okay. You know. Okay. I'm not dragging carbon [00:07:00] monoxide back in. Yep. But I'm still pulling dirty air from the crawl space and attic space

[00:07:04] Dave Jones: or something like that.

[00:07:05] Dave Jones: What are you doing for, uh, for fresh air? Do you run an ERB in your house or hiv? Not yet. Not yet. Oh, I heard a yet in there. Yeah. Like it's going to be happening. So happening. You know. I know. We'll talk about that later. All good. But

[00:07:16] Eric Goranson: let's talk about ER vs for a minute. Okay. 'cause my biggest problem that I had with them, and one, I hadn't really designed it out yet.

[00:07:22] Eric Goranson: It's always one of the things that, okay. That's the next step. Yep. But my biggest problem that I didn't like about him is, I'm in wildfire country. And in August, September, there could be a week or two where we're the worst air quality in the world. And I didn't want to have something that I was going to have to manage on my own and go, Did I turn that off today?

[00:07:42] Eric Goranson: Yeah. No, I totally get it. Me turning it back on again is going to be the worst

[00:07:47] Dave Jones: part because I'm going to forget about it. Right, or if you're not home to do it. With your wife, you're relying on somebody else at the house to handle it. Yeah. So we're, we're taking a look at that, uh, in a really big way, a really unique way.

[00:07:56] Dave Jones: And in fact, maybe I, maybe I can announce this now. Sure. [00:08:00] We're, uh, we won today at iBiz. We won the, um, best indoor product of the entire show for our Overture system, which manages this problem. So let's jump into that. Let's jump into that. All right. All right. Okay. So Overture. It's an automated indoor air quality system.

[00:08:16] Dave Jones: And it's a bunch of switches and sensors that go around your house. All the switches have sensors in them. You have sensors you can put in all over your house. You can hardwire them, you can plug them in so we can measure air. And we all know about that. Now we've all seen molecules and a wares and air things, and we've all heard them.

[00:08:29] Dave Jones: They're probably here and they make cool products that tell you what's going on. And then they tell you, okay, great. Go open your window. But you just told me your problem was there's a forest fire outside. Yeah. I'm not opening my window. So what was your, what's your solution for that? So what we've done is we've designed the system to work with our.

[00:08:43] Dave Jones: Fresh air systems to say, wait, there's bad indoor air quality outside. We look at the EPA's AQI score, the air quality index, and if it says, this is no bueno, we are not, you should not be breathing this, the system will say, nope, we're gonna go into recirc mode, gonna shut down the fresh air supply, we're okay for a little while [00:09:00] here, there's enough air in the home, we're not gonna suffocate overnight, like we got some time, the system will run and it'll still exhaust things as it needs to.

[00:09:06] Dave Jones: And then it'll bring that fresh air in when the air quality is better. Yeah. Cause I'll pull up on

[00:09:11] Eric Goranson: my phone. I'm like, Oh, that's bright red. That's not a good day today. You know what I mean? And that's where I was like, I'm just not that consistent to trust myself to go. Okay. I'm going to have to manually manage this.

[00:09:21] Dave Jones: Well, and we're not smart enough. Let's be real. Like I am because I work at a company that does air quality. The average consumer, the average homeowner out there doesn't know. My wife doesn't know when to turn on the bath fan half the time or the range should always let me be clear. Always. Every time you're in there, turn it on, leave it run for 20 minutes when you're done cooking or in the shower, whatever it is.

[00:09:38] Dave Jones: But anyway, we don't want to think about it. I don't want to think about it. It's just another thing in my day to worry about. Automated overshare automates. It just handles everything for you. Turns on the bath fan, turns on the range hood, turns on your fresh air, and then it's smart enough to know when not to turn it on around the house.

[00:09:53] Dave Jones: We'll

[00:09:53] Eric Goranson: be right back.[00:10:00]

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[00:10:27] Eric Goranson: Welcome back to the round the house show. If you want to know more about around the house, head over to around the house online, or check us out on Facebook around the house show, or our closed group around the house nation. Now let's get back to our discussion with Dave Jones from Brown, new tone, and we're talking ventilation.

[00:10:43] Eric Goranson: Not to turn it on. See, that's what I've been waiting for because I have the boxes of Overture sitting at my desk at home. I just gotta have that fresh air system to be able to hook that up and make sense. Yeah. And then that will also work with bath fans and stuff too. Yeah,

[00:10:55] Dave Jones: absolutely. Yep, it'll trigger your bath fans so if you're in the shower, kids.

[00:10:58] Dave Jones: right? I know you've got some kids [00:11:00] that are that are older and probably, you know, out of high school and you probably spent a lot of time in the shower in high school and never turn the bath fan on. And some people like that, right? I know you've got a steam shower. That's great. Like it's a what a good feeling to just kind of have that warmth envelop you and you just feel really good.

[00:11:13] Dave Jones: But where does

[00:11:13] Eric Goranson: that moisture go? Right? And well, two things with that. So last year at this show on the way home, we stayed a couple days late in, in, uh, Orlando. What do we bring home? Julie and I bring home COVID from that. Yeah, of course. Of course. Cause we're down with 75 of our closest friends and a trade show.

[00:11:28] Eric Goranson: So those things happened back then. Now we don't have to worry as much about that. But as we did that, we got home that steam shower. I was taking like two steams and three steams a day just doing that. And it was awesome. And then we added a system in my shower. That's really cool. It's an air drying system.

[00:11:44] Eric Goranson: Oh cool. Oh, that's automatic. Yeah, so I jump out of the shower, I hit the timer for 20, 40, 60, like 120 or whatever on it. And it has 12 air jets that dry it out. But, where does that moisture go? It leaves that envelope. Now it's in

[00:11:59] Dave Jones: the [00:12:00] rest of the house. So, yeah, ventilate it, right? And it doesn't have to be in the bathroom.

[00:12:04] Dave Jones: In that scenario, if it's pushing it out, I mean, you could have it in a room adjacent or next door or whatever it is, right? Just make sure you're ventilating. You know that, right? But not everybody thinks about it, right? We love that feeling. The fog mirror means like, oh, it was warm and it was nice. But man, that's causing black mold to grow in your walls.

[00:12:19] Dave Jones: You can't even see it. People don't know it. It's almost scary. I almost want to tell people to knock a hole and look. It's scary. And then that, that's not just a health issue. That's a structural issue, right? Black mold will eat that wood right up, eat your drywall up and like. You've got some

[00:12:31] Eric Goranson: serious. Well, so what I did on my showers, I designed it.

[00:12:33] Eric Goranson: So I have a transom over that moves and then my vent fan location is about 12 inches from that. Perfect. Yeah. You're just wanted to have a freeway getting

[00:12:42] Dave Jones: right out of there. Oh, actually, you know what you should put a, you should put overture in and you should put a humidity sensing fan in. Yes. Cause it will automatically sense right there at its location.

[00:12:53] Dave Jones: Specifically. Specifically because it's the room sensor might be in an outlet or hardwired somewhere nearby But not right there might be another

[00:12:58] Eric Goranson: option for yeah Because if [00:13:00] that fans working if the if that steam up there and that humidity, right? Yep If I have it over in the wall where it comes in right that I have to bring a lot of humidity in for that at That location to go.

[00:13:11] Eric Goranson: Hey there. It's gonna go

[00:13:13] Dave Jones: boom We call it spot ventilation, right? A range hood, a bath fan, a spot ventilation. And we got another story on that one. Uh, I've got a daughter that's a year and a half old. So we have a diaper pail, right? Which is awful and terrible and smelly. Um, so spot ventilation isn't just for bathrooms.

[00:13:29] Dave Jones: It's not just for your kitchen. You can put it in any room. So I'm going to put in, we have this product called the 744, which is a great name. No, it's not. For a product that is a secret agent. Oh, I like it. Maybe that's the product name. Secret agent. I like it. Check it out. And seven. It's a, uh, it's a recessed light, so it looks like a recessed light, so you can put it in any room in a home where you may not normally have ventilation.

[00:13:52] Dave Jones: You wouldn't want the traditional bath fan look. I get it. It's just not sexy, right? It's not sexy at all, right? Unless you've got one of those old chrome ones that you were talking about in your, [00:14:00] you know, 1970s. I love it. Anyway, anyway, that recessed light is a really cool option for rooms like a nursery or even a bedroom.

[00:14:07] Dave Jones: We lock ourselves in. We might close the door. We don't want the kids running in and out of the

[00:14:10] Eric Goranson: kids bedroom, the teenagers bedroom. Oh, my gosh. I'm not ready. I know you're not ready, For all you teenagers out there, parents, this could go in and you walk in and you're like, oh my gosh, it smells like a, an old gym in here.

[00:14:20] Eric Goranson: We got to fix this. Well, you might not fix that problem, but at least you could ventilate

[00:14:24] Dave Jones: it. You can ventilate it. Yeah. You can get rid of all of those odors, that grossness. Yeah, absolutely. We had a colleague on our team that, uh, has two sons that play hockey and I don't know if you know anything about hockey pads and hockey gear, but that is, it is a sponge.

[00:14:38] Eric Goranson: It is a

[00:14:40] Dave Jones: sponge. Horrible. Yeah. So they've done the same thing and put in their mudroom. They actually put our, um, surface shield product, which is a bath fan that has a light in it, an LED light that kills mold, mildew, viruses, bacteria, yeast, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. It's not UV, so it's not going to harm anything.

[00:14:58] Dave Jones: You're not yellowing stuff. [00:15:00] Yellowing stuff, you're not eroding your, uh, your caulk in your shower or whatever it is or in the bathroom. So, uh, they put that in their mudroom to kill off a lot of those odors and to ventilate. So we're thinking about spot ventilation more than just the bathroom, which is traditionally where we see it.

[00:15:12] Dave Jones: We're thinking about other rooms. and ways to hide it. Ways to look at it. I got to show you a picture

[00:15:17] Eric Goranson: here and you guys off to share it up later on social media. But Julie and I go walking, we go out walking the dog, right? We're out cruising around. And when we're out doing that, we see neighbor's houses and stuff.

[00:15:28] Eric Goranson: And I'm going to show you this picture, brand new house. And these are the glass garage doors and it's a dry day.

[00:15:36] Dave Jones: That's a, that's, that's a little bit of Steam on those. Uh, yeah, there,

[00:15:39] Eric Goranson: there is water running down the inside of all of those glass doors. I'm

[00:15:44] Dave Jones: pretty sure that's not supposed

[00:15:45] Eric Goranson: to happen. No. Yeah.

[00:15:46] Eric Goranson: No brand new house. You can see it's brand new. Yikes. But it's not raining outside. It's yikes. It's not. It's dry. It's dry. So that's scary garage for us in the Pacific Northwest when you have a brand new home that, that is a house that they tore down this last [00:16:00] year. Yep. Built a brand new one. It's a multimillion dollar house right there.

[00:16:04] Eric Goranson: Sure. And you've got a support. And they don't even have a car in it yet from the rain. And that's an empty

[00:16:09] Dave Jones: garage. I bet you it's uh, I wonder if it's a conditioned space or it's at least got to be finished. It's finished. All right. It's

[00:16:15] Eric Goranson: finished. All right. So it's holding in. But it can't be conditioned because it'd be in a garage, right?

[00:16:20] Eric Goranson: Yeah. All of a sudden, if you take the car in there, I didn't see any other, I mean, it could be conditioned if you had your own system in there. Like you had a mini split or something. They of course didn't do that. It's a spec home. So that's the problem is ventilation. The garage to me in my area is a huge thing because.

[00:16:38] Eric Goranson: You pull in with the wet car. Yep. You've got this super tight garage insulated garage door. It's a lot of moisture. Moisture. And guess what? It has to go someplace and it's going to go mold and all of your boxes and everything else you've got stored.

[00:16:50] Dave Jones: Well, and if your house isn't, hopefully it is, but if it's not, it doesn't have a fresh air system, it's not pressurized.

[00:16:56] Dave Jones: You open that garage door and all that moisture and all that mold and whatever it is [00:17:00] floating in the air is floating right into your kitchen or whatever it is. It's attached to your, to your

[00:17:04] Eric Goranson: garage area. Mother nature's always trying to balance things out. So you've got Dryer in the moisture. Air

[00:17:10] Dave Jones: move.

[00:17:10] Dave Jones: Yeah. It's going to come right in. Oh, we're totally with you on the garage ventilation. We, we make, um, what we used to just call them attic ventilators, but now they're attic, attic and garage. So if you don't have a finished space or you're able to put one in, we've got solar powered, so you can sort of do your passive home if that's you're looking for whatever it is.

[00:17:25] Dave Jones: So we have a way to mechanically ventilate and then we've got like in wall or through wall fans that really helped ventilate that we've got a guy on our team, his uncle lives in a town, not near where we're not too far from where we're headquarters. Uh, and it gets cold. It was minus seven Fahrenheit when I left on Tuesday to come here, uh, so it feels warm here even though it's in the thirties, uh, but anyway, he had the same issue.

[00:17:47] Dave Jones: He had a finished space, brought the car in. It was full of snow from a heavy snow day that was all starting to melt. And, uh, as it melted, it was running out of the garage as it should. It froze his garage [00:18:00] door to the ground. Yeah, of course it did. I saw that dripping and I was like, Oh, I wonder if that's the same problem.

[00:18:05] Dave Jones: So he was like, so my friend that, uh, my colleague, um, is our product manager for that line, and he was like, I have a solution. Yeah. He was like, why don't, why aren't we doing this in garages? So we tested all of our stuff. We went out out east and did the salt test and whatever it is. And, you know, did the whole thing.

[00:18:19] Dave Jones: And now we have fans that can work in that space to ventilate. And let's be real. It's not just moisture. Most people store their garbage and recycling and gas and oil and paint and all these things that are horrible fumes that come into your house.

[00:18:30] Eric Goranson: Oh, Caroline and I, when we did our first video thing, when we're her and I were when she was on the show, of course, she looked in the background and goes, Why do you have all those things in your garage?

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[00:19:19] Eric Goranson: About ventilation. Let's get back to the program. Oh, Caroline. And I, when we did our first video thing, when we're her and I were, when she was on the show, of course, she looked in the background and goes, why do you have all those things in your garage? And that was its own show of talking about the bad things in Eric's garage.

[00:19:34] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Yeah. You know, now they're outside in the, in my carport on the shelf, but it was one of those things that it was like,

[00:19:41] Dave Jones: you don't think about it. Right. Cause that's where dad stored it. That's where grandpa stored it. That's this is where I don't

[00:19:45] Eric Goranson: want to freeze. I'm going to keep it in there. So it's a little warmer, totally.

[00:19:48] Eric Goranson: And it's like, Oh wow. I am. space with

[00:19:51] Dave Jones: VOC. We need to think about it. Cause like I said, it comes, it comes right in. You open that door, it comes right in. Right. So we got to think about that. So yes, ventilating a garage, I think is a really cool [00:20:00] idea. And then, like I said, get that, get that ERB, get that fresh air system in.

[00:20:03] Dave Jones: You can do it a less expensive way, a value way, if you will, by putting a supply fan in, right? So you just need to mechanically draw air in. No question. Kind of pressurize your house just a little bit. You want like one or two, uh, CFMs, right? You want a little more air going out that would be coming in.

[00:20:20] Dave Jones: there's anywhere that it can come out or in, right? If you don't have a fully sealed passive home boy, someday, I hope. Yeah.

[00:20:25] Eric Goranson: My, I mean, I've got 1977 houses that's meant to breathe, you know, it's like, all right, well, I think the aluminum, uh, foil on that old craft insulation is probably got the most vent, you know, the most insulation out of everything.

[00:20:38] Eric Goranson: It's literally, you know, I got, what's my, uh, weather resistant barrier, 30

[00:20:43] Dave Jones: pound felt that's nailed up. It's what it is. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:20:47] Eric Goranson: But those are those things that people don't think about. And you don't want to pull out next year's Christmas stuff or holiday stuff. And all of a sudden you're like, wow, this, uh, this white thing that goes around the bottom of the tree.

[00:20:59] Eric Goranson: Sure. He's got a lot of black [00:21:00] spots on it. Yep. And even if it doesn't, it's going to smell like it does, or it's still there anyway, right? You

[00:21:06] Dave Jones: can't see a lot of these contaminants. No, you totally can't. Oh man. You bring up a good point. Uh, basements. Oh, yes. So, uh, dehumidifiers, right. And then making sure you've got fresh air in your basement.

[00:21:15] Dave Jones: I have, uh, I've also built in the eighties and it, uh, has finished out basement, which is great. It's where my office is. I mean, it's like all my dungeon. It's not a man cave. It's a dungeon because that's where I do work. Exactly. That's another spot where, uh, moisture control is, is hard, right? If you, if you don't have the right drainage outside, I can't help you there, but like if you don't have the right drainage, you could have mold growing in your basement.

[00:21:36] Dave Jones: You could have water leaking in. I've got the mineral crystals growing on one of my walls. Previous owners put in a nice patio and did not pitch it far enough. So I've got some water coming down. And so I've got a dehumidifier. Well, we've got humidifiers as well that do whole home. And, um, I think your point about sort of those yellowing and black spots and mold growing on Christmas decorations, I literally had that issue and I had to put in a dehumidifier myself for [00:22:00] my house because I was having problems with moisture.

[00:22:02] Dave Jones: I can't

[00:22:03] Eric Goranson: tell you how many times I was working for a while there helping out an advertiser years ago. On the show. And, uh, they had, uh, a basement, you know, foundation company. So they did basement waterproofing and stuff like that. I can't tell you how many places I went into. Maybe it was a lawyer's office and they had the basement of the 1920s house.

[00:22:22] Eric Goranson: And that's where all the file boxes were. And I'd get the phone call because they'd be pulling the files out and the wall looked like it was a black mat mesh, you know, and they had all the files that were all now had been contaminated. They had all this testing and stuff. And then they had to figure.

[00:22:38] Eric Goranson: out. Why is the water coming in? Right. But it was the same kind of thing. That was a humidity issue because it was even across the entire wall front to

[00:22:45] Dave Jones: back. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So dehumidifier is huge. You have crawl spaces and things like that, right? It doesn't matter where you live. If you've got something that's under the ground level, there's potential moisture issue there.

[00:22:54] Dave Jones: The ground is wet all the time, right? Unless you live in the desert and even then there's still moisture down there. So I think it

[00:22:58] Eric Goranson: was Nikki Kruger that told [00:23:00] me if, uh, if he got grass grown outside, then you probably have a humidity

[00:23:04] Dave Jones: issue that you're not aware of. Oh yeah, absolutely. A hundred percent.

[00:23:06] Dave Jones: She's pretty smart. You can tell her I said that. I think she, I think she's pretty smart. Make sure she listens. So yeah, no, I think it's totally right. We have to pay attention to that. So we've, we've now made that part of our whole home ventilation plan, right? Or we, we've got that product lineup of dehumidifiers and, um, whole home ones, big giant units, even some of the goal in wall, thinking about multifamily and things like that, maybe you have a condo and you're able to do that.

[00:23:28] Dave Jones: It just goes right into your two by four like construction and you've got humidification. We, um, uh, my colleague, uh, my colleague, Travis, wow. I got to talk today, uh, is all that stuff. And he and I were talking and he said, Hey, do you know what shoulder season is? I said, I don't know what you're talking about.

[00:23:44] Dave Jones: And he said, it's spring and fall. He said, where it's maybe too cold to run the air conditioner, but too humid. And so you need it to run, right? Right. Or it's too hot to run the furnace, but you need it to run because you need to mitigate the moisture. I was like, that's a really good idea. And I, you, you and I have probably somewhat similar, uh, whether we might [00:24:00] get a little colder than you, but there's a lot of humidity.

[00:24:02] Dave Jones: It's the temperatures are perfect, but a lot of humidity in those seasons, that whole, whole dehumidifier will fix that problem. And I think it brings There's a point too that I learned this year, this last year, uh, your air conditioner does not, is not a dehumidifier. No, it's not its job. No, but we think it is because that's what we use it for.

[00:24:19] Eric Goranson: And I learned this actually this last year and some of the seminars I was teaching because I had other experts on there as well, is that, you know, like in Florida and some of these other really hot places, that AC unit might only last you there. Planned lifespan could be a decade or many other places.

[00:24:33] Eric Goranson: It's 20 years, right? Right. Unless you're changing out for something more efficient, we won't get into that, but that's kind of that planned lifespan. You can double the life of that by controlling humidity. Cause you're taking that load off because it's trying to shed all that moisture and you've got now a less efficient system as it's

[00:24:48] Dave Jones: trying to shed that moisture.

[00:24:49] Dave Jones: Yeah, actually. And then you can right size your system. You don't need a big system. Well, oftentimes we're putting in or asking our builders or our contractors, why need a system that's three times bigger because I want it to manage my [00:25:00] moisture. Well, You had just put it in the humidifier, you'd manage your moisture, right?

[00:25:03] Dave Jones: And you could have downsized that system and they're not cheap, right? So, uh, I think that's a really good point. And, uh, I think an ERB helps to solve some of that too, because there can be some moisture removal there, or it'll save moisture in the winter when you need to keep it in your house where you've got that humidifier, you know, going on your system, like that.

[00:25:19] Dave Jones: You've got a carrier. I'm sure you've got a carrier humidifier built onto that. I

[00:25:22] Eric Goranson: don't have too much moisture all year. Usually too much moisture. Rarely. I'll have a, we'll get that winter cold storm that comes in. So I'll have it for a couple of days. And that's it. So what do I do? I just turn on the steam shower.

[00:25:33] Eric Goranson: Yeah.

[00:25:34] Dave Jones: Seriously. Just turn off the bath

[00:25:35] Eric Goranson: and while you're running, I turn the power off to the bath fan and, uh, and, um, but here's the one thing I realized, this was my mistake because out in the hallway out there, I've got a really nice smoke detector, that smoke detector. I'm sitting there and I'd turn the steam on.

[00:25:48] Eric Goranson: I run over here to get something real quick. And all of a sudden the smoke detectors going off. Oh, it was full on Blair. Like I asked for, I'm like, what just happened? I go up there and I'm like, that steam's going right into it. I was like, Oh, come on. I did that [00:26:00] to myself. It was just, you know, I'm like, all right, that does steam too.

[00:26:03] Eric Goranson: Good to know.

[00:26:04] Dave Jones: Yeah. Oh, that's cool. Wow. Yeah. No, I think, uh, I think that moisture mitigation, uh, in your home, that humidity is just, it's a huge deal. I mean, it's, it's a comfort thing too. We don't think about that until we're there and, and we're, we often think it's the temperature that's making us feel better.

[00:26:18] Dave Jones: It really is moisture in the air. That's making it feel good. You can have a 74 degree home with the right humidity, 40%, 40 foot, whatever, 50 percent and you'll feel great. And you could have it at 68. And 80 percent humidity and it's going to feel gross.

[00:26:33] Eric Goranson: How many times to our audience out there, do you walk in the house and go, man, it feels hot in here.

[00:26:39] Eric Goranson: And you look at the thermostat, even a digital one and go, it's 70. Wow. Or you walk in and go, man, it's got a chill in here. And it's 70. Yep. And that's the exact

[00:26:49] Dave Jones: reason. That's that's it in my house, my leaky house in Wisconsin, where in the winter I keep it at high sixties. And in the summer, I keep it at in the low seventies and, and they feel drastically [00:27:00] different.

[00:27:00] Dave Jones: It feels. Holder, uh, oftentimes in the winter, even though it's, it's not, I might even turn it up and it still feels colder. Yeah. Because my air is dry or too warm or whatever. It's too moist.

[00:27:08] Eric Goranson: It's so you really gotta, as a homeowner out there, I just beg you to watch the humidity. Yeah. Do you know what it is?

[00:27:15] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And the easy way, here's my easy button on that. Just jump on it. Amazon, and pick up one of those weather stations where you have the inside and the outside one. Oh, sure. That have humidity. Yeah. Because you can go down and put that sensor in that corner of the garage. Yeah. Or that corner of the basement.

[00:27:28] Eric Goranson: Yep. Or wherever else. And then you can look at it and go. Wow, that's high. Yeah,

[00:27:32] Dave Jones: I got a problem and see specifically in one area. Uh, overture is a good spot for that too. Just thinking about that. As you're saying that you can put an overture sensory in every corner of your house, every room of your house.

[00:27:42] Dave Jones: All you did was just put the sensors in. At least know what's going on in your home. Like, understand what's happening. Understand where moisture is. You should. Where's the moisture? Where's the, where's the too high? Where's the OCs? You said you have dog, right? Yeah, I have dog too. Uh, pet dander. see it often, right?

[00:27:58] Dave Jones: Unless you see that, [00:28:00] uh, that sunlight shining through a window and you see the floaties, that's also a sign that you have bad indoor air quality. But if you see those floaties, that could be pet dander floating around, right? The sensors will pick that up and say, Hey, not only do you have a moisture problem, but you've got stuff floating your air.

[00:28:14] Dave Jones: You've got new carpet that's emitting VOCs, right? So exactly. I know what's going on in your home.

[00:28:20] Eric Goranson: Around the house. We'll be right back after these very important messages. Don't go anywhere.

[00:28:55] Eric Goranson: Welcome back to the round the house show. If you want to find out more about us, you can find us on social [00:29:00] media and around the house online. com. Now let's get back to our conversation with Dave from Brown, Newtown.

[00:29:05] Dave Jones: And I got a little daughter. She's only 18 months old now, a year and a half. I'm going to say a year and a half.

[00:29:09] Dave Jones: Cause I hate the whole month thing. All right. I'm going to have her cooking with me pretty soon. When she starts to cook with me, I don't want her reaching over the range, hot range, boiling water, you know, whatever it is to, to reach up and touch it. You know, we think about people that are aging in place and that still want to cook, but you know, aren't as, aren't as stable, or we work with a lot of veterans groups and we build homes with a homes for our troops and the Gary Sinise foundation.

[00:29:31] Dave Jones: Shout out to both those guys. Talk

[00:29:33] Eric Goranson: about amazing. They do such cool stuff, especially sneeze. Oh my gosh.

[00:29:39] Dave Jones: Yeah. Yeah. Dude's a saint. He's doing so much to get the word out. I love it. They, they, uh, they do a ton of great PR work, a ton of work around that homes for our troops builds a ton of homes. They don't, they, they're silent.

[00:29:49] Dave Jones: They're very, very quiet, very quiet, but man, both those organizations are just killing it. Yeah, we, um, we went on to help them. So we're providing them with range hoods that are remote controlled [00:30:00] or automated or whatever. So they don't have to touch it. We're giving them the overture system. So they don't have to worry about anything.

[00:30:05] Dave Jones: They don't remember. You know what, they got enough on their mind with medical stuff and

[00:30:09] Eric Goranson: raising a family. They've done so much, why

[00:30:09] Dave Jones: not just make it the easy button, right? Make it easy, yeah, exactly. Ah, dude, thank you guys for doing that. Thanks. That's a huge deal.

[00:30:14] Eric Goranson: No, we, we love it. That's something that we gotta celebrate.

[00:30:16] Eric Goranson: Yeah. Cause that's, I'd love to see companies stepping up for those things because that's, that's what needs to

[00:30:20] Dave Jones: happen out there. Yeah, absolutely. And, uh, thank you for that. Yeah, they served us. We, we need to serve them whenever we can. So we're there. So yeah. But talking

[00:30:26] Eric Goranson: range hoods, that's why I didn't, as a kitchen designer for 30 years, I didn't like using micro hoods.

[00:30:31] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah. Because to me they were a huge safety issue. One, they

[00:30:34] Dave Jones: don't ventilate well. Nope. You know, even if they do ventilate out, they don't cover enough of the range. You're missing the first two burners, which is the ones we use most often.

[00:30:41] Eric Goranson: And there's no capture area to it because it's like, it's just like this eight inch part of the vent in there.

[00:30:47] Eric Goranson: That's all you get. And there's no capture area to it. And they just don't work. And I have to lean across a hot stove to put something in. And if I'm carrying something like a bowl of soup, it's above my eyes. Many times for many people, I'm [00:31:00] tall, but you're tall, but still. Putting a, bringing a hot liquid out of a top shelf

[00:31:04] Dave Jones: of a cabinet isn't the smartest thing to be doing every day.

[00:31:06] Dave Jones: Not smart at all. No, I'm with you. How's it, uh, you got a 48 inch range. That's a pretty big microwave.

[00:31:12] Eric Goranson: Oh yeah. No. It's two of them. No, no, no, it's a

[00:31:17] Dave Jones: very good point. Think about the ranges you have now in people's homes, right? If you're looking at yours now, make sure it comes out far enough that it's going to capture, right?

[00:31:24] Dave Jones: That's big. If it's not consider getting a new one, find something that does come out far enough to capture off the front because there's a lot that escapes that you can't see. You can't see the things in air. That's, that's the problem with indoor air quality. We can't see it. I can see if I have dirty water for the most part.

[00:31:39] Dave Jones: I can't see it radon. We've got radon in our issue of the country. It's really bad. I have to have a system. So I had to, I come in and test. it right. That's one thing in your air. And we know that it causes cancer and other things. So do all the carcinogens that come off of our range when we're cooking, right?

[00:31:54] Dave Jones: We know it, but we have to eat, we have to cook. So we're going to continue to do it. Make sure you ventilate. It's, it's an [00:32:00] equally, uh, horrible issue. But it's easy to solve, but

[00:32:04] Eric Goranson: that's the thing. This isn't like, oh, I've got to change my lifestyle, I've got to do this. It's not like your doctor going, hey, you've got to quit eating steaks every week or whatever.

[00:32:12] Eric Goranson: This is, hey, I have a solution that's fairly easy, someone can install it, and then it's just going to keep going and take care

[00:32:18] Dave Jones: of itself. Totally. That's the beauty of that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And go and listen to the range hoods. Go to your local appliance dealer. I think that's an issue. We talked about the noise, right?

[00:32:27] Dave Jones: Go and listen. They should be able to turn them on for you. And ask about it. How can I get a quieter range hood? What do I need to do to make it quieter? Maybe it doesn't need to run at full power all the time. That's why these automated hoods are so great. It'll run what it needs to run, not whatever button you hit.

[00:32:40] Dave Jones: Unless you want it there, like, go for

[00:32:41] Eric Goranson: it. As a kitchen designer, I've seen a trend too. And I just want to mention that there are so many people out there that will go and buy the offshore, like wood hoods with inserts. But the problem is, is that. fire code says that that liner that is over that has to cover the cooking surface of the rain.

[00:32:58] Eric Goranson: Yes. So if you have a [00:33:00] 36 inch range, you can't put a 36 inch wood hood over it. You need to go bigger. Yes. The inside has

[00:33:06] Dave Jones: to be 30 correct. That's a really good idea. Or if you're working with a designer, make sure you're asking it. They should know that. Make sure you're asking that. Make sure that you're involved in that because it is crucial to have good ventilation and to not have a fire in your kitchen.

[00:33:18] Dave Jones: Yeah. And then if you do events Yeah,

[00:33:20] Eric Goranson: clean your vent. Oh my gosh, right. Sorry. No, that's a great example. When was the last time you cleared the vent? Did you clean that up there and people go you're supposed to clean it? Yeah, I can't say how many people I built luxury kitchens for Yeah, and I'd always like to go out a year later and see how things are going Sure, kind of warranty.

[00:33:37] Eric Goranson: Yeah contractor and stuff and I'd go over to the range hood and I'd pop and take a look at him Like, you know, there's a little jar or something. You got to clean out there Yeah, and they look at you in horror and go what what? Yeah, I know I told you this when we did this But you had so much in your life.

[00:33:50] Eric Goranson: You were looking at those beautiful counters.

[00:33:51] Dave Jones: So yeah, but again, yeah, no, that's really smart. Most of our, um, our filters are, uh, dishwasher safe. So it's super easy, right? This [00:34:00] isn't complicated. We're trying to make it super easy because we want people to use it. We, we really, truly believe that you will have a better life.

[00:34:06] Dave Jones: Our, our mission is better air, better life. We believe you will have a better life. If you're taking care of your internal quality.

[00:34:11] Eric Goranson: Amen. Now we've got to talk about your. Upgrades to range hoods because There are millions of people out there that look up and go. Okay. I got the builder basic range hood It's baffin baffin.

[00:34:23] Eric Goranson: I mean, sorry. Thank you. Well, you're good and you look up there and go. Okay I know that's that's the builder special brown that everyone's used for it does what it needs for years, right? Yeah, but They're not Quietest. Nope. They don't move the most air. Nope. And they're not really

[00:34:37] Dave Jones: sexy. And they're probably dirty.

[00:34:39] Dave Jones: You probably have buildup of like, you know, toilet paper fuzz and towel fuzz and God knows what else up there. Yeah. When was the last

[00:34:45] Eric Goranson: time you cleaned that out? Uh, you can clean it.

[00:34:48] Dave Jones: Yeah. Right. See, that's the point. Yeah. And, uh, so I'll start. Yes, you can. You can actually replace. them. We'll get to that in a second, but I will say before you, you, you worry about it.

[00:34:58] Dave Jones: The first thing people freak out about [00:35:00] is, yeah, but it's really hard to pull down and get out of that slot. I know it is horrible. We're working on a better solution for that. We got your backs in the meantime. Don't worry. You're not going to break it. If you do, I've got a solution. You need to change it out.

[00:35:12] Dave Jones: You want to change it out or you broke it. I got a solution. So we have upgrades. You can get them at your local hardware store, Home Depot, Lowe's, Ace Menards. It doesn't matter. We are at your, your do it best Wherever it is, we're there, um, we've got upgrades that you can replace that and, and give it a light Yeah.

[00:35:28] Dave Jones: Or give it a multicolor light or give it a multicolor light and a Bluetooth speaker. See.

[00:35:33] Eric Goranson: Yeah. And that's, and for the people out there, not everybody's handy like you and I that could go and do that. Right, right. And, and maybe even that bathroom's got a 10 foot ceiling and you're like, I, I am not comfortable doing that.

[00:35:42] Eric Goranson: Yep. And things are expensive out there right now in the world. Yeah. And I understand that. And maybe you can't afford to have the professional come out and do it. Yeah. Yeah. This is a great, I don't want to use the word bandaid, but it's going to get you an upgrade to get to the next level. You really kind of want to have, but this will really help you take that next

[00:35:58] Dave Jones: step to make it [00:36:00] better.

[00:36:00] Dave Jones: I think a lot of people aren't using it because they don't like it. It's ugly. It's loud. Uh, we didn't talk about it, but we have a motor upgrade. We call it a quick kit upgrade. You can replace the actual motor. So it'll go from more, most people have a 56. probably underpowered. That's what code was back in the day.

[00:36:15] Dave Jones: We weren't thinking as well about ventilation or houses were so leaky like yours and mine. It really didn't matter. All right, exactly. But now we're thinking about it more and you want proper ventilation. So get this upgrade motor, get this quick kit and you can just, it's still a little plate that is a, that pops out.

[00:36:28] Dave Jones: There's not even a screw. There's no, there's no like the, you need a screwdriver only just to like bend a little metal tab and that's it. And then it pops out as a little plug or regular outlet plug and you just pop a new one in and now you've got a quieter fan. It'll have 80 CFM. It'll be like 30% It's so much better, right?

[00:36:44] Dave Jones: So, and that's the simple thing. And I don't have to hire the contractor to come out. Those guys are great. But like, they've got better things to do too. They, they're, they want to help you make sure your whole home is working, not your little powder room. Right? So, this is an easy one that you can do. And then when you, when you decide that you really want to do something cool, then [00:37:00] call your guy up and say, Hey, I want that bacteria killing fan.

[00:37:02] Dave Jones: Oh, that surface shield. Put that in my bathroom, please. Absolutely.

[00:37:05] Eric Goranson: Or I want the one with the, with the big Bluetooth and the color light show and all that

[00:37:08] Dave Jones: stuff. Or the Alexa one. Right. Where you can yell at it to tell you the weather.

[00:37:11] Eric Goranson: Podcast or order more shampoo, which I always play around the house with Eric G on there,

[00:37:16] Dave Jones: right on your back.

[00:37:16] Dave Jones: You're just going to miss the shampoo joke. Y'all can't see me. I can't see that. Yep. I don't have any hair. Yeah. Well, at least on my head, you've

[00:37:23] Eric Goranson: got an epic

[00:37:24] Dave Jones: beard though, my friend. Thank you. I

[00:37:25] Eric Goranson: appreciate it. You've

[00:37:27] Dave Jones: got a great shampoo. Yeah. I got to shampoo that. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, no, it's a great, it's a great option.

[00:37:31] Dave Jones: There's a ton out there. We even make a recess light so we can put a light in that doesn't look like, I think we talked about that earlier. It doesn't look like a fan, right? Like there's a lot of options. Find something that works for you. Take a poke around. at our website. BroneNewTone. com. Brone NewTone.

[00:37:44] Dave Jones: com. Take a look. There's some cool stuff. You know what? Give us a call. Give us a ring. I got a podcast coming out, too, that's gonna talk just about indoor air quality. Come check that out. We'll have ideas for you. That's gonna be great. Yeah. That's gonna

[00:37:54] Eric Goranson: be great. Yeah. And you guys just have a great booth in here.

[00:37:57] Eric Goranson: Thanks. I mean, you explain so many different things in [00:38:00] here. And the visual of that, and especially with, with fresh air systems, you have a lot to talk about here with that. And that's really one of the things I want people to really get out of this today is ventilation and dealing with that fresh air in your home.

[00:38:13] Eric Goranson: Getting it in there and getting it where you can control it. Because I tell you what, that is the two of the biggest things we deal with. Totally. All right. We miss anything today, my friend. No, that's it. I just, thanks for coming by. This is great having me, man. Yeah, this is our annual event. It is now. Yeah, let's keep it rolling.

[00:38:29] Eric Goranson: I love it. Let's keep it going. And I'm looking forward to next year. Cause every year you guys do something a little bit new, interesting. And I tell you what, it just keeps expanding. And last year overture was brand new and now you've, what will you actually, let's talk about that for a second. You have that new outlet,

[00:38:44] Dave Jones: right?

[00:38:45] Dave Jones: Yeah. So we've got. Hardwired version of it that will now, um, that you can put in any place in your house. You can hardwire it in and it'll sense for everything going on in your home. So put it in every room, put it all over the place, know what's going on in your home. And then like I [00:39:00] mentioned earlier, it's a, it's a best indoor product winner here.

[00:39:03] Dave Jones: Thanks. I appreciate it. That's something I'm proud

[00:39:05] Eric Goranson: of. We're super happy. This is not just a little tiny show. No. Miles. Yeah, I mean, there is literally miles of show floor here and the biggest and the best are here. Yeah. And to take

[00:39:16] Dave Jones: home? Yeah. That's pretty essential. That's the show, yeah. Alright, brother, thanks for coming on

[00:39:19] Eric Goranson: down.

[00:39:19] Eric Goranson: Yeah, thanks. Alright, I'm Eric Chee and you've been listening to Around the House.