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Humankind has for millennia sought comfort and guidance in rituals.
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Could some of these traditions have been brought to us by extraterrestrial visitors?
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Join me on a journey through time and space where we will find out the truth about these
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claims.
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And as it turns out, it's rarely aliens.
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Hi, hello, and welcome to Digging Up Ancient Aliens.
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This is the podcast where we examine the TV show, Ancient Aliens. Do the claims hold water
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to an archaeologist, or are there better explanations out there?
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I'm your host, Fredrik, and this is episode 28.
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And since it's almost Christmas, it might be nice to look into different rituals and how
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they might be evidence of alien visitation.
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We will start in Mesoamerica and investigate human sacrifices.
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Then go to the UK and the Stone of Destiny.
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Are the tradition of a monarchy and its regalia really an invention by aliens?
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We also learn about the Bepp Cororoti and how Egyptian and Viking ships try to emulate
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spaceships.
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Stay tuned.
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But before we get too far into the episode, I want to highlight something listener Stella
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sent in.
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In our previous episode, I said that the Orion's belt would be foreign and unimportant in Mayan
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society.
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Well, it turns out that I was wrong.
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The name was of course not used but in some creation myth the belt was actually important.
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This is due to the Mayan hearth they had in their houses.
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It was made out of three stones so it was believed that the gods home would also have
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three stones.
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We will get more into the creation story in this episode and see more versions of this
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creation myth.
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And the episode show notes have been updated to reflect that and a huge thank you to Stella.
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And remember that you find sources, resources and reading suggestions on our website, diggingupancientaliens.com.
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There you will also find contact info if you notice any mistakes or have any suggestions.
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If you like the podcast I would appreciate if you left one of those 5 star reviews that
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I heard so much about.
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Now that we've finished our preparations, let's dig in to the episode!
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Hey, this is Dinah from the 2AM Brains podcast.
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Or if Bigfoot is telepathic?
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Join us every week on 2AM Brains to find out the answers to these questions and so much
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more.
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We start again with a trip to the Mayans, maybe to show the Mayan idea of cyclical time
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maybe?
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The show will focus on two things in this part, human sacrifice and El Castillo or Kukul
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kan at Chichen Itza in Yucatan.
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The reasons I believe are more due to these two things being more known and drawing in
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the viewers in a sense that way.
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And most of us react with some sort of horror fascination when we hear the word human sacrifice
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and the show does really make use of this.
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But really there's no great reason for the show to bring up this phenomenon.
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The connection to aliens is quite vague and feels more like an afterthought.
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William Bramley describes the sacrifices as
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Now it's a gruesome act and they are describing here and one I'm sure you are quite familiar
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with.
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We look into the Mayan religion here and this human sacrifice a little bit as you might
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suspect the show claims that the gods worshipped among the Mayans were not in fact gods, they
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were of course aliens coming to earth giving Mayan the idea of civilization.
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Now let's look into a bit of the religion and it's spiritual belief and then compare
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that to what we learned from what the show claims.
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First we should acknowledge that the Mayan religion and spirituality were severely traumatized
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by the Spanish conquest.
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What we know today is basically a reconstruction of bits and pieces that managed to survive
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the destruction and attempts at annihilation by the European and Catholic Church.
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Moving on we see a couple of things that might seem strange to us.
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For once all living things have something called K' an invisible sacred quality.
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The gods could have either animalistic or humanoid looks but at the same time they would
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have the actual form that you could see such as sun, moon, Venus or even rain.
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But they could also take an auditory form such as thunder.
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So we have this idea of the invisible companion.
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They were not only for us mere mortals, they also were spirit companions to the gods.
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So yeah, even gods had one assigned to them.
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So for example we can look at God G or K'nih'a'aw.
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Why did I call this God G?
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Well as we briefly discussed in the last episode the Mayan hieroglyph were decoded relatively
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late so when scholars tried to examine the early codices they had, well the scholars
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had a little problem.
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They could not read the text but from the context they could see that gods were represented
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in the document.
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So Paul Kjellas set up a system where each representation got a letter between A to P
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which has since stuck in the literature.
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So K'nih'a'aw is a god well rooted in the classical era and is the sun god.
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And K'nih'a'aw could be represented as a man, a jaguar or a deer but at the same time he
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would be the literal sun while also having this spiritual companion like everybody else.
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So there's a bit of duality going on here, he was both a man and the sun at the same
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time.
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Now looking at Mayan society you will learn that they found comfort in order and they
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found this especially in the sky through astronomy.
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And the stars move in a way that you can expect where they will be at a given time if you
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just look long enough.
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And the Mayan called the stars and planets sky wanderers due to their movements.
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Note that these bodies were astronomical concept and literal embodiments of the gods.
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But to the Mayan people the sky wanderers would not come to earth, that would not really
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make sense.
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These beings had a life each day they were born, they lived throughout the night or day
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and then died as their heavenly body set each morning or night.
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So we see this cyclical idea here and we will see it come again and again when we look into
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the Mayan traditional spirit and well faith basically.
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And we see that the kings or Adyas worked as a sort of high priest in the society.
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Now they were not god-kings but they were the highest ranking person in the religion
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of the state.
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Let's look into the creation story that we only brushed upon in earlier episodes.
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I must warn you though that it's not just one creation story in the Mayan religion,
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there are several.
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They all contain similar elements though.
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The common characteristic is that humans were not born into the first world.
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Remember that Mayan calendar starts at the beginning of the 13th Bak'tun.
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In most stories we have three worlds before the final one.
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The people in the northern Yucatan believed that the first world was inhabited by dwarves,
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but all these first attempts had flaws and the gods start over just as they will do with
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our world at one point or another.
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Most of the destruction are by floods, there are other versions too, but most common are
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floods.
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But in contrast to the bible, there were no survivors or both.
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And since there are so many versions I have decided to use the most common telling that
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we find in Popol Vuh.
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So in the aftermath of the last destruction, the earth is left in a quite ill defined mess.
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A figure called Wukulbe Kwakiks, a giant bird, is going around and claiming to be lord of
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both the sun and the moon.
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But the hero twins kills Wakab with a blowgun and with the birth-death the sun and the moon
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can rule their rightful domains.
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But where did the hero twins come from?
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Well to answer this we have to talk about the demise of the mice god Hunapau and his
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brother Wukub Hunapau.
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These two were terrific ballplayers who unfortunately lost a ballgame in Xibalba the underworld
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to the gods of death.
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The name of my deathcore metalband by the way is not, but it should be at least.
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The brother was buried under the Xibalba ball court while Hunapau's severed head was
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hanged in a calabash tree.
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The Hunapau somehow spits in the hand of the daughter to the death god.
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That way he manages to impregnate her.
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This causes her to flee to the surface where her mother protects her and she births the
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hero twins.
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Now they were taken care by the grandmother and someday after they kill this monster Wukub
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Kwakiks they find their father's ballgame equipment stored in the attic.
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The twins are outstanding players and get invited to Xibalba to play the gods of death.
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But it turns out that the gods of death don't like to lose and they are very sore losers
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so they will try to kill the twins through different trials throughout the nights.
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Luckily the animals are on the hero twins side and warn them about this.
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In the end the death gods would not let them go.
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To escape the hero twins sacrifice themselves.
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The gods of death burned and milled their bones and spread the ashes in a river.
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But from the river the twins was reborn and returned back to Xibalba, this time for vengeance.
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Instead of playing a ballgame with the gods that obviously they cheated in, they showed
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neat new tricks that they had learned.
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One of the twins beheaded the other and then resurrected its dead sibling.
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And the gods of death found this trick so amusing and fantastic that they demanded the
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hero twins would perform the trick on them.
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They did of course oblige and beheaded the gods but they did not resurrect them.
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Instead the twins was transformed into the sun and Venus, forever fated to relive their
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birth, escape and death for eternity.
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And this is just one version as I mentioned earlier.
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Other out there in some the hero twins are not turned into celestial bodies, instead
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the mice god rises through a spring in the ball court.
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Another the god Chaak resurrected the maize god by breaking into Xibalba as some sort
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of Orefiues and the maize god becomes the tree of life starting the new creation.
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Now we have mentioned ancestral worship in the past and the dead was a big part of Mayan
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society and something I find refreshing is that there is actually no idea of how everyone
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goes to this place of abundance called Flower Mountain.
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And the Spanish react strongly that even people who committed suicide, died in childbirth,
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war or whatever went there.
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But there are two layers of the afterlife, the normal and being a god.
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The Mayan kings were not gods on earth like the Egyptian pharaoh, but upon their death
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they would become gods.
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That's why blood sacrifice is essential.
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The king isn't just talking to his ancestors, he is talking with the gods through his ancestors.
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And we even have examples of queens doing the bloodletting since they might have a particular
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ancestor within their bloodline.
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So looking at all that we learned in the past episode and today we realize that you have
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to really shoehorn aliens into the Mayan mythology.
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Looking at their belief there's not much room for aliens, but what we see instead is the
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idea of sacrifice and repetition.
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Nothing was bound to happen again, time was not a line, it was a cycle.
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What happened in the past shall occur in the future.
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And the most important sacrifice was the king's blood.
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His bloodletting rituals ensured the cycle would continue.
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But if you wanted to sacrifice someone, the Mayans prefer a king to kill.
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They would often be had as a representation of the Mayan god as we saw earlier.
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And ordinary people would be sacrificed too.
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Their blood was some sort of snack food for the gods, but more important it was a celebration
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of the son's rebirth and life.
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Some early accounts from the Spaniards claim that the Aztecs or other Maya speaking culture
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introduced human sacrifice to Mayans.
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But looking at Mayan art it seems to be a later construction from the Yucatan Mayan,
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if of course these accounts are even true.
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Now the show's thesis is that they performed this sacrifice to get their alien gods to
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come back but well something else is needed to fit in with the Mayans.
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The human sacrifice was to make sure the gods gave them favors.
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We see an increase of the sacrifices towards the end of the Mayan civilization before Spain
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started to force their culture upon them.
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Now we have spent roughly 10 minutes or so trying to explain briefly Mayan religion and
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the show spent maybe 2 minutes on this.
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So this is good to highlight.
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It's easy to make up things without evidence but it takes quite a lot of time trying to
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explain why it's wrong and this is not a comprehensive guide to Mayan religion or practice but I
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hope you my dear listener are inspired now to go and learn more about this.
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The show notes will provide some excellent resources if you want to learn more about
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this topic and I'm sure we will return to it for deep dives later on.
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But let's move on and look where the sacrifices took place.
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El Castillo or as it was called by the Mayans, Kukulkan.
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As the name indicates it was a temple dedicated to the deity of Kukulkan or Quetzalcoatl as
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the feathered serpent was also known in Mexico.
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And the show's main focus here is a particular shadow that appear on this pyramid on the
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equinoxes.
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I'll let von Däniken explain this to us.
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This is a model of the pyramid of Chichen Itza in Mexico and every year on March 21st
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when the sun goes up directly on the stairway here is created triangles of light and shadow
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coming down the stairs which represents God Kukulkan has descended to the humans.
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At the end you see the face of God Kukulkan on September 21st it's the opposite.
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This time when the sun rises up in the morning God Kukulkan goes up the stairs and ends in
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a bright light up on the little temple which means God Kukulkan visited the earthlings
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teach them and after a certain period he disappeared again into the sky with the promise to return
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one day.
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So the idea presented is that since the shadow descends and ascends this must indicate that
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aliens visited us.
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We are back to claim if something goes up or down it must be a civilization explaining
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a encounter of the third kind.
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But does this really happen as presented?
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Well the shadow exists but it only goes one way really and we're still determined if this
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was really intended or just a happy coincidence.
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What was more important to the Mayans is that the stairs adds up to the solar year.
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We also see 52 Alco, probably referring back to the hub calendar that we talked about a
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bit in the last episode that consists of 52 years.
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We also have cenotes going out in all four weather direction and a cenote is a pit or
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sinkhole that may occur after collapse of limestone revealing the underground beneath
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and if you picture a large well you're quite close enough to what a cenote looks like.
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Its importance for water supplies is a given basically.
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They were also vital for sacrificial reasons, especially for the Itzamayan in the Yucatan
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peninsula.
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People were sacrifices into the cenotes to the rain god Shack.
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Of course not all cenotes was used for sacrifice for obvious reason, but two of the four we
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have in Shitsun Itza have evidence of the practice.
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Unfortunately we know little about the pre-Hispanic version of Kukulkan, but the Itza idea of
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the feather serpent spread through the Mayan culture and was in the end picked up by the
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Aztec.
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What's interesting about this is it's a dualistic god, it has feathers and flies and still also
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serpentines like a snake on its belly down on earth.
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Now I think it's crucial to at least bring up here that Quetzalcoatl is by some of these
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alternative history proponents believed to be evidence of white people in the Americas
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pre-Columbus.
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In a previous episode we covered the short-lived colony of Vikings in northern Canada, but
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this claim is different.
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We have encountered the idea of white people or gods in America in an earlier episode,
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so let's look a bit deeper about the claim about Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan.
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They don't bring up this in the episode, but well I thought that this might be a good place
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to discuss this.
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Now the idea is not new, not at all.
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The white god theory comes in many forms and from a few different places.
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We have to us now famous authors like David Childress who bring up this idea in his books
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Lost Cities of North and Central America and The Lost Cities of Atlantis.
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We see this claim in Graham Hancock's Fingerprints of the Gods more than once, but also the Mormons
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brought this idea in their scriptures that white Israelites came to America.
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But let's wind back and see if we can find the earliest mention of the origin of this
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claim.
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And if we do this we will end up with Geronimo the Mendieta, a Franciscan missionary and
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chronicle who lived between 1525 and 1604.
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In his work Historia Ecclesiastica, Indiana, volume 2, chapter 10 we learned about the
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history of Quetzalcoatl.
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The Mendieta probably based his writing on the now lost writings of Andres de Almas,
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another priest operating a bit earlier than the Mendieta.
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But in this chapter we learn that Quetzalcoatl was described as the following.
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He was a white man, tall in body, broad forehead, large eye, long black hair, and large round
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beard.
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This is the earliest description of Quetzalcoatl as a white person, and this description does
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not exist in any pre-Hispanic source.
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If you my listener have an earlier source, please send it in, but I have looked, I have
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not found any, it's not only me who's trying to find an earlier source, and we would all
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be happy to be proven wrong.
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To be a bit different from people who shall not be named, the writing of the Mendieta
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inspires similar depiction of Veracaja in Peru as with his claims they tend to spread
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and be reworked and just like a long game of telephone.
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So the idea is around and it's festering, but it's not until the American congressman
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Ignatius Donnelly, we see a connection between white gods and Atlantis.
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Now Donnelly is of course a politician, Shakespeare denier and Atlantis believer.
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Building on these ideas of again Blavatsky and Steiner he argued that the Atlanteans
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were a population of white people who went around and taught people how to be a civilization.
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If you read his book Atlantis, the Antediluvian world, you will quickly learn how his idea
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of an advanced Neolithic society is eerily similar to Hancock's idea about a lost civilization.
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Now in his book Donnelly, based on the book of Desiree Charnay, claimed that the Toltecs
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were white.
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On page 349 it's stated that Quetzalcoatl is white and both the Toltecs and Quetzalcoatl
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originate from Atlantis.
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I've also heard these strange claims that since people of Mesoamerica can't grow beards
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it must have been Europeans they talked about.
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Again taking de Menditas history and adding just an extra layer of races on top of it.
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Not that neither Childress Hancock nor other alternative history promoter really deal with
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the racist origin of their claims, I just hope that you won't go and look this up and
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just be frightened on how obscenely racist the descriptions really are.
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That's why I don't really quote it here because I don't really want to.
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But again I gave you what page to go if you want to look it up it's freely available online
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and yeah you will find it in the show notes.
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Now I think we will return to White God's theory because they play quite a role in this
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universe.
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We didn't really get into the Mormon angle as we learned back in episode 22.
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The LDS has a weird weird history.
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But for now we will leave this part of the world and after the break we will look into
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some rituals that the alien proponents claim to be evidence of visitation.
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Let's return to the proof for ancient astronauts.
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The show will now bring up two ceremonies that as evidence are pretty weak.
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The first are festivities of Beltane, a Celtic celebration celebrated in the spring by lightning
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fires.
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This festival comes down to us through Gaelic dictionaries such as Sanna's Cormac.
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The earliest reference to this is during 900 BCE.
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The alien proponents claim that the celebration was attempted to recreate the lights from
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UFOs that the Celts has seen.
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It's also claimed that it was believed that portals opened up during this time.
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Now the Celts, Scandinavians and people in the Baltic area in general indeed celebrated
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the start of spring with lightning fires.
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But it was not to recreate UFO lights but to scare away spirits.
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Even the fires in the homestead were extinguished and relit.
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The entry of spring was a celebration of life and rebirth in a sense.
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And the UFO angle seems quite silly here or well maybe even more than usual.
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Now the second celebration originates in Brazil.
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The show starts to talk about a tribe called Kayapo and the ceremony performed within this
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tribe.
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We see a figure dressed in an oversized costume that seems to be woven.
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And this figure is supposed to be called Bep Cororoti.
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The show claims that this person is trying to resemble an astronaut and the tribe is
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celebrating an extraterrestrial visitation.
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The show does something in this segment that if you have followed along and watched this
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episode you might have noticed we have Giorgio on screen telling us something that originally
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Von Daniken has claimed.
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And this particular case is from Daniken's 1973 book Gold of the Gods.
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Now the Kayapo tribes refer to themselves as Mebengokre, meaning the men from the waterhole.
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The name Kayapo originated during the 1800s and was coined by other groups in the area.
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And this name translates to roughly those who looks like monkey.
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This is probably not referring to the physical look but that the people used masks in a particular
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ritual.
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The Mebengokre lives in central Brazil in an area large as Austria and is mainly covered
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with rainforest.
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Now they have unfortunately struggled for a long time to be able to try to keep their
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land since well other settlements are closing in.
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Several NGOs trying to help the tribe to acquire the rights to the land and if you wish to
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help you can visit the Kayapo project.
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So the Mebengokre are a real tribe.
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So far so good I guess even if we have, I have some opinions on using their name.
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Even if I have some opinions on using a name that people don't really prefer.
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But how is it with Bepp Kororoti that the show keeps talking about?
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Well here it gets murky.
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Vonda can claim in Gold of the Gullstat Yao Amerigo Perret visited the tribe in 1952
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and learn the story about this spaceman.
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We get the story about how the Mebengokre meets this strange man in a suit who they
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can't hurt with their weapons and the figure find it quite amusing and then demonstrates
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a powerful stick-like weapon that pulverized both stones and trees and Vondane makes quite
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a deal about that this story was before Yuri Gargarin's trip to space in 1961.
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So how would they even know how a space suit looked like?
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Well since Vondane can did not give a reference it was quite tricky to find Perret's own account
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of this.
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It's not presented in the text or in the small reference list in the back Vondane can's book.
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I did not have any luck in the books written by Perret's available and was close to giving
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up when I had some stroke of luck.
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Now Yao Amerigo Perret tells this story in an article for the weekly Brazilian magazine
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O Cruzeiro in the issue published on the 29th of March 1972.
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In the article Beb Corrote o Gurrimo do Espacho, Beb Corrote Space Warrior Perret talks about
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this conversation taking place in 1962.
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Now Beb Corrote is known from the anthropological records.
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For example Claude Levi-Strauss discussed this figure in his book The Raw and the Cook
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in 1969.
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In it we learn that Beb Corrote was a powerful shaman who after getting a tapir was left
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with only two paws by his greedy greedy friends.
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Now he decided to take revenge so he shaved his head and climbed up a hill and started
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to control lightning with his wand.
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An interesting tidbit that explains this suit is that the Bebengocre are skilled beekeepers.
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They have colonized and used different species of bee and some even stingerless.
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Now Beb Corrote among the Bebengocre is usually associated with rain and thunder, but due
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to his mortal beginning he is particularly fond of honey.
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Ethnobiologist Daryl Poussey talks about how the Bebengocre leaves honey in wild nests
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they open and this is so the bees will return later and create more honey.
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But traditional people of the tribe had done this so Beb Corrote will get his share.
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So the suit is to keep bees and not to get stung.
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Jason Colavito landed on the same conclusion in his exploration of the subject.
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And so we see some similarities between Jau Amerigo, Peretz Telling and other anthropological
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collections.
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But I'm not sure why Peretz Telling differs so much from the other anthropological work.
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He might have accidentally influenced the group or the myth has evolved.
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But I can't find any instance of this story after or before Peretz.
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Now it does not mean it's not true, but it means that we should keep it with some skepticism.
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The next part is giving me quite some David Icke vibes.
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We will not discuss the shape-shifting Jewish reptilians here today, that would be silly.
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Now the show proposes that the kings are traditions either instituted by aliens or kings trying
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to emulate aliens.
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This is a bit unclear, to be honest.
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But we start with the Stone of Scone or as the show put it the Stone of Destiny.
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This name is not wrong, but make it sound fancier than it is.
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This stone is a stone on which the king or queen sits during the coronation ceremony.
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Or nowadays it's beneath a bench on which the monarch sits.
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For some reason the show claims that the stone is from outer space, but since it's made out
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of old red sandstone, far and close to the Scottish village Scone.
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Now this village, other than being named after a tasty bread, was the coronation place for
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the Scottish royalty once upon a time.
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And we descend into a section of lewth threads that they're trying to tie together, but the
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main argument is that the kings are viewed as god.
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And in some cultures that is true.
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That's one reason for example Alexander the Great conquered Egypt.
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It was one place he could be a literal god on earth.
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But while religion and monarchy had close ties, most cultures have a different approach
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to how the king is viewed.
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In the Mayan world the king was a high priest as we've seen, and while in Rome some emperors
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was deified upon their death.
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And if you look at Catholic Europe the kings were ordained or chosen by god, but didn't
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speak for god, nor was a representative of god.
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The idea that a king, emperor, chieftain, a jahr, any other name for the role.
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Well what they did varies widely between societies.
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Luckily they have hidden some clues within the coronation.
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Again we have a Eurocentric approach, but okay let's see what it is.
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It's part of the regalia of the monarch, the scepter.
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You know how the rod looks like an ankh, the Egyptian symbol?
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Yeah, neither did I.
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But this is the claim they make with a little fact from Jason Martel.
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The ankh is always a symbol used in pharaonic times as a scepter.
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But an interesting play on the word ankh shows that it also stems from the word Anunnaki,
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which meant those who from heaven came to earth.
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What Jason does here is to smash two worlds together without really understanding them.
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The ankh is an Egyptian symbol representing three sounds that form this world.
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In no form or even the sound it's related to Anunnaki.
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That's just a pareidolia of four words basically.
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If you translate it, ankh would mean key of life.
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Even the translation of the Anunnaki that Martel gives is wrong and we have covered
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it so many times now.
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It's something that Zachariah Sitchin invented and now for those in the back, Anunnaki would
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be translated to something like of princely seed.
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While the ankh has its place in Egyptian depictions of the pharaoh, it was never used as a scepter.
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In fact the Egyptian pharaoh already had a scepter, which we have drawings dating back
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to even pre-dynastic times.
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Add to this the stars we have found from the first dynasty.
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Not one, but several, both in Abydos and Zachariah.
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And the finest scepter is of the pharaoh Kashmikavih found by Pietro in 1901 and I recommend you
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to go and look it up.
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The Ankh scepter connection might not be the evidence that would blow this thing open,
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but maybe we should start using our heads.
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So if the stick doesn't work, you got to use your head.
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Jason Martel returns with another Anunnaki claim that they have glow around them.
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And from the light we're supposed to think about halos and the Anunnaki angel connection
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is again repeated here.
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We start to think about what you could put on your head might represent an alien helmet
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I guess.
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We don't really get into this claim too hard for it's just... it's silly.
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Come on!
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People always have needed to differentiate themselves from others.
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This becomes even more visible when we look at monarchs.
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The best way to stand out is to have visible headgear.
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Usually these segments have some anchor to make them sound plausible, but I'm not sure
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what happened with this one.
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It's just a collection of silly claims.
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But I don't know about you, but I think we could use a break here.
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When we return we will investigate how much energy prayer generates and an Egyptian boat
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mystery.
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So this last section has some more fun things to bring us.
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This segment is going to be a little bit all over the place.
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We start first with the Olmecs, the mother culture of Mesoamerica.
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They're most known for their giant stone heads.
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That's where I found about 17 of.
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Or about exactly 17 of.
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These are large affair with full lips and sporting something that looks like a helmet.
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This has resulted in some quite interesting alternative theories of the Olmec origin.
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Even back in 1850 when the first stone was uncovered in Veracruz, the ideas of Africans
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sailing over to Mesoamerica and starting the Olmec culture started to appear.
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And this culminated in the 1980 with the story The Olmec Football Player by Kathleen Smith
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in which an Afro-American football player traveled back in time.
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I might not be so sure about that, these ideas tend to appear every so often, basically.
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But what with the show claims about this colossal head?
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Well, not much.
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They used their heads to talk about something else and let Fieberg take the wheel.
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The mother culture of Central America was the Olmecs.
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In old images made by the Olmecs we can see helmeted beams dressed in overalls ascending.
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They have wings and they have microphones almost in front of their mouths.
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Are these the heads of rulers or priests?
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Or were they maybe aliens that they wanted to portray?
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Now it's unclear what images Fieberg refers to here, but I don't really recognize them.
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I have not found this example going online searching.
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A more common motif that's really well known in the Olmec tradition would be shamans transforming
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into jaguars.
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This transformation is sometimes depicted even in small children.
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So maybe the shamanism was a trait you were born with.
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I'm not sure about that.
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But we see concepts that will be important in Mayan cultures such as twins and dwarves.
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And Fieberg is correct in the statement that the Olmec can be viewed as the mother culture
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of Mesoamerica but his correctness basically starts and ends there.
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From the giant heads we get into the concept of shamans and here we go into a segment dominated
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by Nancy Redstar, Clifford Mahoty and Standing Elk.
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People you have met before if you have been following the show.
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I'm not going to get into what they say here because well with evolve and expand I mean
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Christianity has more than 45,000 domination.
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That's only the ones big enough that we actually start to count them.
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So I'm not going to tend to know more about Native American religion and just have the
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approach to leave it as it is in this one.
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They bring up ideas that I think reflect their belief.
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Because we will get into something more interesting.
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It's time for what you might have been waiting for since the last break.
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How much energy does a prayer produce?
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So to get to this question we need to follow the Olmec shaman through the Native American
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religions through the Horseshoe Valley.
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And it's quite a trip and we are finally led to believe that Dr Bogoslav Lipinski has proven
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that prayer is for one real and has an energy output.
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Now Dr Lipinski got his degree in biochemistry at the Universitet Varsovsky and seems to
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do decent work in cancer research.
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So his field is not at all related to his claim that seems to have been only published
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in an article back in 2009 for a website called Mediorgia USA and the report was named Scientific
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Study.
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In it Lipinski claims to have measured prayer output with an electroscope in a city called
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Mediogorgia in today's Bosnia-Herzegovina.
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This experiment took place in 1985 with a rechargeable electroscope model BT-400 Biotech-Electronics
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from Canada.
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Ancient aliens and Lipinski refer to the country as Yugoslavia for reasons probably only known
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to them.
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This show was made well after the war down there and Yugoslavia had not existed for some
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time in 2010.
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But you might ask yourself what is an electroscope?
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I wonder that too, and the short answer is that well it's a crude voltmeter.
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The electroscope was invented in the 1600s by William Gilbert and to be honest it's mostly
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stayed the same since.
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I don't know if this is the tool Lipinski refers to but since I don't have anything
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else to go on we have to assume that he you know refers to the proper device.
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I could not find any old article about an electroscope with model BT-400 or the Biotech-Electronics
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company in Canada.
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If you can send it in to me and we can update it later.
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Lipinski claimed that he managed to measure a high electric charge and radiation when
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people prayed within a room.
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But from what I can tell neither Lipinski nor anyone else has been able to replicate
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this and the method makes little sense as the charge must be quite close to the electroscope
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for it to register an output.
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The electroscope can detect ionizing radiation or an electronic charge on a body but of course
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within limits here.
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It's a very common you know physics project for high schoolers and luckily you can build
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your own electroscope in your home and start trying to replicate this study.
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In all seriousness reading the study you will start to note that it suffers the same issue
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that many ghost hunters face.
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They don't know how to use the tube and interpret the data in a way that favors their preconceived
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notion.
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You know just like running around with an EMF meter in a building and then going wow
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look at this electricity and not you know figure it might be the wires in the wall or
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that's just me being you know mean crude skeptic.
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But the study is really bad but as I said you can replicate this.
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You can try the same you can collect all your friends in a prayer put the electroscope in
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the room does it go off?
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Well then he's right if it does not, well he probably is wrong.
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Now let's move on to the stars and we're brought all the way back to Egypt for this last section
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of the show where we will explore the meaning of vessels and the journey to the stars.
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We open up on a thrilling discovery in 1952 of Khufu's funerary boat and it's 45 meters
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or 150 feet I got you Americans.
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Large vessel made out of cedars from Lebanon.
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The ship is strange for reasons other than aliens it has no place for a mast and the
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oars are really too small to be functional for the for the boat of these sites.
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The leading theory today is that it was a funeral vessel made to bring the dead pharaoh
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from the east to the land of the dead in the west and it was indeed not your daily sailing
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type of vessel.
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Philip Coppens explained this boat like this.
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In the case of Khufu we find that there is a literal boat said to be a boat of a million
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years even though this might appear to be a normal ship it is actually something far
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more and it almost represents the spaceship because they didn't just speak about years
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they spoke millions of years and this is precisely what space travel is all about.
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Somehow the dead body was able to go on this voyage.
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Now the idea of traveling to the land of the dead through a boat comes from Ra's daily
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expedition across the sky and predestined return to the underworld.
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Thus the Egyptian believed that you travel traveled west and then down.
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Now not up to heaven this is something the alien crowd invented by themselves so if you're
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rich you could have a large boat for example if you're middle class you might have a smaller
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you know more modest model and if your means were very tight the coffin would actually
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suffice you, but you need to put the right spells in there otherwise just fine.
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This means that you can stop someone from going to the Duat for example you could you know
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not bring them a boat then they would be stuck so you could punish the dead in that sense.
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Now we also have a short appearance here by Robert Bauval who claims the word for God
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in ancient Egypt is Niter Netero and that it translates to a being that came from the
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cosmos.
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Where we got this idea is highly unclear.
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The glyph representing this word looks like a flag on a pole or maybe an axe and it's
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meaning is a bit murky, but the most accepted translation is strength or power.
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This can of course change it's still being pondered on but Bauval's translation does
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not fit in any sense or way and he offers no explanation on how he got to it.
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I mean it looks like a flag or an axe how does he get a cosmos from it?
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No idea.
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But we continue this idea of a boat meaning spaceship to my dismay by going north to my
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home to my stone ships.
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Oh for the love of Thor yes there will no claim that the stone ships shipsetting in
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Sweden or skeppsetning is evidence of extraterrestrial visitation.
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You will hear that these stone formation are grey while this is true to some extent it's
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not the whole truth of course.
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The show also claims that these are from the Viking area and some are but not all.
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The stone ships sometimes have burial within them or are located within a grey field but
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most commonly they were close to the old coastline.
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The theory is while being part of the funerary rites was also points of navigation.
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Remember that in Scandinavia you don't have sea rice we have land rice instead.
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The old stone ships dates to the oldest stone ships dates back to Scandinavian Bronze Age
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and the tradition of portraying ships stems from that too.
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So in Scandinavian petroglyphs, one of the most common depiction is ships which seems
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to have been crucial for the people of the time either due to trade or other reasons
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but they like to depict boats.
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We also find different types of ship burials.
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They were rarely cremation type burials and are pretty famous due to their rich grave
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goods.
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The most famous example might be the Osbergar ship from Norway.
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This ship is more or less intact and was buried with what we assume was a royal individual
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with quite impressive grave goods.
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At first only half of the vessel was covered by a tumulus leaving one side open and there
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is this idea that the open part was used as a stage that the Viking burial was part of
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a larger concept and a longer ritual especially for this king.
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Now ship burials were not only for men we have examples of women being buried this way
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too.
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Take for example grave 36 in Birka Stockholm where from the skeletal remains it seems that
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there has been a woman also with rich grave goods.
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This should not be confused with the woman's warrior grave that upset some strange people
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recently.
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Now are these graves and boats evidence of aliens?
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Well I doubt it.
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The evolution and connection to the culture of Scandinavia would not make sense if they
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tried to emulate alien spaceships.
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So why did they try to emulate accurate ships in Egypt and Sweden when they didn't have
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to sail them?
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I mean wouldn't they try to build it like the vessels that you saw in the skies like
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the spaceships?
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You know maybe shape it like a saucer?
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I don't know, neither does the show and it's where we end.
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So it seems as if this episode was a bust again unfortunately.
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It was not really the strongest episode that they've put together so far but maybe I better
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luck next time when we will examine aliens and ancient engineers.
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If you're waiting for me to tackle Graham Hancock's latest series Ancient Apocalypse
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don't worry there's something in the pipeline but so many excellent archaeologists, historians
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and others has done such an amazing job with this show already that I want to do something
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a bit more special to make it a bit extra interesting for all of you.
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Now till then remember to leave a positive review anywhere you can such as iTunes, Spotify
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who sings their song Tinfoil Head.
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Links to both of these artists will be found in the show notes.
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Until next time, keep showing that science!