Dr. Jane Levesque [0:28 - 1:22]: Pregnancy is a natural process. So if it's not happening or if it's not not sticking, something is missing. After having a family member go through infertility and experiencing a miscarriage myself, I realized how little support and education women have around infertility. I want to change that. I'm Doctor Jane Levesque. I'm a naturopathic doctor and a natural fertility expert. Tune in every Tuesday at 09:00 a.m. for insightful case studies, expert interviews and practical tips on how you can optimize fertility naturally. If you've been struggling with infertility, pregnancy loss, women's health issues, or you just want to be proactive and prepare yourself for the next big chapter in your life, this show is for you. Hi, Gabe. Thanks so much for being here. I'm really excited to introduce you to my community. We met at ECO and I was just in awe in the work that you're doing and how you got here. So thank you so much for being here.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:22 - 1:30]: Jane, it was absolutely a pleasure meeting you at EcO and getting to know you and thanks for having me here today. I'm excited.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:30 - 1:58]: Yeah, I'm excited to work with you as well. We had our first appointment yesterday and I know it's just the beginning and I see a lot of need for this work. So tell us, how does one go from being a chiropractor? And I know that you have a whole list of other credentials, but how do you go from being a chiropractor to becoming a subconscious healer? And we're going to dive into more what that actually means. But just if you can give us a little bit of your journey and how you got here.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:59 - 4:13]: First off, I became a chiropractor because I did a little research on the healing arts. And it was the one that resonated with me the most because the claim to fame was it uses the body's own healing abilities to heal itself. And that was that. At that time, I was a former marine, I was a paramedic in the back of ambulances, and I was also a personal trainer. And I had started to see the benefits of nutrition and exercise and things like that. But there was still a lot going on. And from my own childhood experiences, I had a lot of trauma going on. There was addictions. I mean, I found myself smoking pot all the time just for relief and helping me sleep and things like that. But I was wanting to journey into the healing arts to learn more about how to help myself. And obviously I liked helping people and that really came through as working as a paramedic and an EMT and things like that. So I worked in a hospital for maybe a year and a half in emergency situations, and really enjoyed stepping into places that were just chaotic and helping people through those times. So I met a friend that was an old high school friend, and he was a successful chiropractor. He's the one that really introduced me to what chiropractic was. It made sense to me on some levels. So I decided right then and there that's what I was going to do. And a lot of it was for trying to heal this internal pain I had my whole life. I couldn't put my thumb on it, but there was something inside of me that I just didn't like. And so I went through chiropractic college, successfully went through that. Then I started getting into being mentored by energy medicine and muscle testers and became a best practitioner pretty quick out of school acupuncture. And I was doing all these different things to myself and having other practitioners practice on me. And I could notice it was taken. It was making some dents in that internal pain, and nothing I had learned in chiropractic school had ever even touched on that. There was not one breath of why that discomfort was there.

Dr. Jane Levesque [4:13 - 4:21]: Um, and was it just like, a visceral pain, or would you actually have, like, digestive issues or, like, shoulder pain, do you know?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [4:22 - 4:48]: Right. So, uh, to the body, pain is pain. So, um, and it doesn't matter if it's physical pain or emotional pain. Mine was. Mine was purely emotional pain. Um, at the time, I didn't have any there. Sure, there'd be digestive upsets once in a while and headaches and tension and things like that, but nothing that I could really describe as, like, a chronic pain that you would see people having.

Dr. Jane Levesque [4:49 - 4:56]: Were you aware at the time that that was emotional pain versus physical pain, or did you think it was physical pain and you didn't know? It was masked as that?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [4:57 - 6:11]: At the time, I was at the level of my understanding myself and consciousness that I just purely wasn't even aware of what it was. I just knew that there was, in fact, Jane, here's a. An example of. I knew something was wrong, but I wasn't sure what it was. There was, whenever I joined the Marine Corps, there was a specific unit that I applied to get into, and it was a more elite unit. It wasn't just your typical Marines, it was a more elite of the elite. And there was interviews and things like that to get in to this and at one point, they asked me in this really intense interview, you know, what? Why is it, should we let you in here? You know, this is decorated Marines. You know, what is it that makes you a candidate for even joining this place? And I remember I had some, some squad leaders next to me that were watching, and they were rooting for me, getting in. And I said the first thing that came out of my mouth. I wasn't even thinking. I just said, I'm looking for a way to deal with my pain. And I saw them kind of go, ooh, like, oh, you know, there could have been better answers, but they got. They let me in. So I was at that point, because.

Dr. Jane Levesque [6:11 - 6:18]: I bet you weren't the only one. You maybe were the only one. That's truthful to say that, but, and that's.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [6:18 - 11:16]: I think that's a very accurate answer. But many of them there. Same kind of thing. And so I was, it was a calling, looking for this. And it led me to chiropractic school years later, years and years later. So I knew there was something underlying. There was a pain that was there. And I went through all these different healing arts to figure out. And then I started realizing that as a chiropractor, I was working on people's physical pain. But as I got to know them a little more, I spent time with them and I listened to them, and I would ask questions instead of just rushing them through, which was kind of the model that was getting thrown at us. I found out that a lot of them had emotional pain as well. So then I started to see that, hey, I started digging into some journals, and I started looking at the neuroscience, and I found a striking thing that came to my awareness that I had never learned in eight years worth of chiropractic school. And that was that physical pain and emotional pain show up on the brain the same way. In other words, if you were to be rejected, particularly as a child, because you're. Because you're. Most people don't realize the most influential, most important memories we have that form the lens of how we live our dynamics of our life are formed between conception and five years old. By that time, it's a template set in place. But if a child feels emotionally rejected during those times, it will show up as physical pain, identical to if they stepped on a red hot coal or if they were stuck in the back with a nail. And when I really started to see that, I realized that I was doing surface level work with my patients. And on all the adjustments, yes, they would improve. Yes, they would feel better. There'd be that little pop that everyone likes in the back that's like, oh, man, that's the spot. And then two weeks later, it's right back again. And I personally didn't like that model. I wanted something a little deeper. And as I started studying emotional stuff, I noticed that a lot of the healing arts left the mental emotional side out. And then I started studying quantum physics, and I realized that it's the mental emotional that's the causative, because a person can eat right, and they can do all the right things on the surface. But if there's a lot of turmoil going on inside of their emotions, and if they're intensely involved in thinking of the wrong ideas, and if they aren't having a personal responsibility for themselves, then everything else is surface level, too. So all the things that I had studied to look for healing, I realized that I completely left the mental, emotional part of it out. So then I really went in depth in that and started studying some of the resources that I looked at that really brought this into awareness, where documents from the CIA and the United States army, where they had put a tremendous amount of intention. Studying human consciousness and what it was and how it works through holograms. And to access fragments of a hologram, you can change the whole picture. So it's a tremendous. It's an advantage of changing something little and getting a big shift out of it. And when I started applying this to myself, I noticed that pain sort of disappear. And I noticed it. My body felt physically better, even though I wasn't having real complaints. I just noticed that everything felt looser. There was not any tension. I slept deeper than I'd ever slept. And then I started applying this to my patients, and it was a game changer. I noticed that instead of having a routine amount of patients that I would just keep on maintenance, I would have patients come and go and come and go and come and go, and they would improve so much that they would always be referring back. And I knew that I hit something big. And at the time, I was making, you know, $150,000 a year in supplements. And I let all that go because I knew that these. I watched the people as they improved emotionally. They didn't need that stuff anymore. They didn't muscle test for it. Their body improved so much. To where is it helpful to take those? Absolutely. Is it key to using 20 and 30 and 40 a day? Not necessarily. Right. There are times when it has its place. There are people that I've had patients come in to me. And they have infections going on. And they have swelling and redness and infections going on. And that's a definite sign that you need something to get those under control. And herbs and medication. I've even studied the difference in how the difference between those work. Herbal medicine is really powerful and very helpful. But if we're relying on these as a tool constantly. And ignoring the mental emotional side of ourselves then we are. We are essentially treating things at surface level.

Dr. Jane Levesque [11:16 - 12:21]: And I mean, I always say this to my patients. And one of the reasons I like cellcore is because they have a lot of frequency that they put into the supplements as well. But I see it as a way to bring people to the place where, hey, we're going to have to deal with some of this mental and emotional stuff. And that's. I wanted to ask you why do we have such resistance to work with it? And I think to work with some of our mental emotionals, repressed emotions. What does that even really mean? And what is this subconscious how it's going to cause disease? I think there's lack of awareness or lack of understanding of what it really is. And so there's comprehension and there's fear. But I find I always draw the three circles. Physical, mental and emotional. They're all intertwined. And the mental and emotional expresses what's going on in the physical body. And so we can support the physical body. Whether it's your liver that's clogged or your gallbladder or your kidneys or your digestion. But once that's through, in order to prevent it from being clogged. We have to figure out what was causing. Usually there is emotional things that come up. Especially if you're doing some heavy detoxing.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [12:23 - 16:15]: Right. So out of those three circles and just my understanding of quantum physics. I would say that the mental emotional is the causative. And even on a deeper level than that. What is the subconscious mind? Well, first off, we have to understand there's two levels of the mind. There's the conscious mind and there's the subconscious mind. And the subconscious mind has many different names and references. We can call it the unconscious. We can call it the superconscious. The Greeks understood this. It's been known for 50,000 different books, older than the pyramids. About this power that lies within us that does the work. It's referenced many times throughout biblical teachings and things like that. In fact, there's a book called the Gospel of Thomas. A part of the Bible that was removed during Constantinus era. And Jesus Christ says that about the subconscious mind. He says, when you make the two into one, you can say to the mountain, move, mountain, and the mountain will move. It's so important. He says it a few different times. He says when you make the two into one, you can say to the mountain, move, mountain, and the mountain will move. What does he mean by two into one? Conscious, subconscious thought and emotion, because our conscious mind that we're aware of, that most people are operating from, and they think that it's in charge and it is a power hungry part of us. Don't get me wrong, it's a part that is very convincing. It tells us the voice in our head. And oftentimes will create rational reasons for why things are the way they are, that make sense to us, that give us an understanding that we. That we. Or why things are the way they are, why we have these symptoms, why things maybe are messed up. That sounds so convincing that we go with it, but they have. They're so detached from the truth that we don't look deeper. We don't understand the deeper parts of us that are hidden below the surface, that are in our blind spots. So he said that. And he also said, when you make peace in the house, you can say to the mountain, move, mountain, and the mountain will move. Well, what's our house? Our vessel. Right, sure. Yeah. And then there's another part that in the Bible that says, ask, believe, receive. So that part is still in the King James version, and it says, ask, believe, receive. It doesn't say, ask, figure it out. It says, ask, believe, receive. So many people are afraid to ask because deep down, they've had perceptions built into them through our society where they're not deserving if they weren't seen for who they are. So it doesn't necessarily mean, whenever I say childhood trauma, I don't necessarily mean just, you were physically abused or emotionally abused. I mean, you weren't seen for who you are. And that kind of trauma is global. Children, parents are so occupied, and I'm definitely in that boat. Even though I'm an expert in this, that does not mean my kids were not traumatized. I learned a little too late. I learned it too little too late. That doesn't mean I don't have connection with them. And I'm on the process of healing myself and helping them understand themselves better and heal from this. But I did not give them what they needed. That was reassurance for who they were. I did not praise them for who they were. Uniquely from the moment they were born til three years old. And that's what happens in small pockets of aboriginal and tribal areas. They're so welcomed that when they grow up, they're an adult that is fully grounded in who they are. They're fully secure with who they are. They don't have this concept, this idea that I'm not deserving or I'm not lovable or I'm not a valuable person, which is very common in our culture. So that is, and one of the.

Dr. Jane Levesque [16:15 - 16:23]: Things you do, you told me that at dinnertime is like they'll look at their babies and they look their babies in their eyes like constantly.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [16:24 - 17:42]: Yes, nonstop for weeks and months. And what that does is it builds endorphin receptors, so pain killing receptors that to a baby is exactly what is required. Just as much as breast milk and clean air and a nice warm facilities to sleep in and things like that. A baby comes out of the mom, that's also a vital necessity for proper brain development, and that is just to be welcomed. And how does a baby feel welcomed when it's not able to speak or anything is the mother looks at it in the eyes and the baby looks at the mom in the eyes, and that creates painkillers in both the baby and the mom. And it stimulates brain development in such a way that if a mother could do that to her child for months and months on end, that child grows into a teenager, that grows into a young adult, that grows into an adult able to cope with life, that has very tranquilizing hormones, neurotransmitters, brain chemicals produced in ample amounts to where they're able to handle life appropriately, you know? And one thing I see is anxiety is the largest growing condition in North America, right?

Dr. Jane Levesque [17:42 - 17:43]: Yeah, it's huge.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [17:43 - 18:38]: And a lot of us contribute it to everything from blood sugar to stealth infections and everything else. But what we're not realizing is the stress level and our society spills over and impacts all of us at an energetic level. And the babies pick up on that too, and the babies pick up on it because we're so detached from our children, especially our newborn infants, and it's been conditioned into us. Nobody's really approaching it from this side of, hey, we need to shift everything the minute a baby's born, we need to have attention for that, you know, child, the mother needs to kind of unplug from everything for a moment. The mother really needs to unplug from everything for a moment and just be able to give that baby presence being known because that's what will affect the brain circuits long term. Now, the good news is those brain circuits can always be regrown later.

Dr. Jane Levesque [18:38 - 18:38]: Of course.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [18:38 - 18:39]: Yeah.

Dr. Jane Levesque [18:39 - 20:00]: So what I was gonna say of, no, it's not. I mean, I think we need to understand the bad news so we can really see why things are happening. Like, I'm all about zooming out, and instead of throwing a random statistic like, oh, one in six people are now struggling with infertility. So I guess we need to have more options to have fertility. That said, more fertility care, which is IVF. And it's like, yeah, but why don't we just look at what's happening? There's a lot more women who don't want to. When you say women are detached from the baby, the moms are. I would even say that we're detached from our bodies. So then when we have the baby, we don't really know how to connect because we haven't done the work ourselves. That was my experience the first time. And it's not that I haven't done the work. I just think there's always work to be done, but I just think it's such a big event in a woman's life that it will show you any quote unquote, holes that you have. Because I thought that I was healthy. I thought that until I had this baby, and I was like, oh, my God, I don't. You know, I have no idea what I'm doing, and I don't know how to connect to her. I don't know. But now looking back on it is like, oh, it's because I had things that was missing for me. It had nothing to do with a baby. But then obviously, we just pass it on.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [20:01 - 21:14]: Yeah, that's exactly right. We just pass on our wounds without. Without knowing it. And we can. You mentioned doing the work. We can do a lot of work on ourselves. But if we don't understand at a very deep level what that means, then we could be putting in a tremendous amount of work for little payoff, which is one thing that I was wanting to in my endeavor. I wanted to know what's something I can do that gives my patients as well as myself, as well as my family, what's something I can do that's small, that has a tremendous payoff that big shift with, because that's what we need. I mean, we live in a fast moving society, and everyone wants it now. Now. And if it's a tremendous amount of work, most people will give up. And that was kind of leading to one of your questions of, why do we resist this. Okay, first off, let me just say, the subconscious mind, if we have a conscious awareness, and then there's a part of us that we're not aware of, and that subconscious mind does not use any words, it does not communicate with words in our head. And it's the part of us that records everything from the moment we're conceived until now, and it just records it flawlessly. All this data is flowing through us.

Dr. Jane Levesque [21:14 - 21:21]: The moment you're conceived, not the moment you're born, just to make sure that people caught that. The moment conceived. Yeah.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [21:21 - 22:35]: Tremendous amount. And whenever it comes to what I find that is uneasy for many people and many doctors, many professionals, whenever I talk about this with them until they experience it themselves. Last week, I sat down with a doctor through Zoom, who is probably one of the best doctors in the country, when I mentioned Mark Hyman and Paul Cech. They've hired this man, and he came to me for just reoccurring pain. And we ended up going through several different memories until we were in the womb. Okay. We were in the womb is where one of these first memories started. And he had what's called a self mutilation program. Now, self mutilation programs have nothing to do with what the person consciously is aware of, and it has nothing to do with what they are intending for their life. But remember, at conception, at the moment of conception is when we absolutely learn the most, I think when the sperm and egg unite. And that little flash, if you've ever studied embryology, it's fascinating. There's, like a flash of light that they can measure, and it actually kills all the other sperm that are on the egg. Once the one sperm gets in, boom, it just kills all.

Dr. Jane Levesque [22:35 - 22:36]: Get out of here. Yeah, you're done.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [22:36 - 24:59]: Get out of here. You're done. I won. You know, I'm the winner. I hit. She picked me. And that flash of light's fascinating because I think that's. That's when we learned the most, and that's when we. We absolutely learn our play. And this doesn't make sense from a. From an academic standpoint, the way doctors learn today. They don't even understand this at all. And I did not until I got really heavy into this work. And I would take people back to the very first moment of where their anxiety, where their distrust of life, where their chronic pain came from, and they're in there, literally in the womb. And I'm just asking questions, and they're reciting back exactly what came into their awareness. And they're listening to either the parents argue about the pregnancy being a mistake. The mom is sitting there very regretful. Maybe she had a baby out of wedlock, and suddenly she's completely scared of what her family's going to think, what her father's going to think, all these different things and thinking the baby's a mistake. And when that fetus is growing inside of her, and yet so new and fresh and absorbent, well, that data goes in. And if she decides to have the baby, the baby starts to develop. And there's already a perception built at the foundation. And that foundation is, I'm not supposed to be here, or the people that I care about most. Mom and dad would be better off if I wasn't here. I'm not worth it. I'm not lovable. I shouldn't be here. And that becomes a foundation of what forms their subconscious mind. The subconscious mind has many characteristics, but I want to share two that are really important for people to understand. The foundation is built from between conception and five. We covered that. It's the most powerful goal achieving agency known to humanity. And its powers are absolutely limitless in what it can do. People that have. In the Bible, it talks about people that were in harmony with their subconscious mind could survive furnaces. They could escape the mouths of lions. These are tales showing us about this power within us. How could somebody be thrown into a cave with hungry lions? And lions don't even eat them. Something about that person. Right. It's giving us clues about this power.

Dr. Jane Levesque [24:59 - 25:12]: Within us to bring it back to a regular example. We talked about that. Why do some people get bites with ticks and they don't get Lyme while others can't seem to shake it off for years?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [25:12 - 32:11]: Right. There's a self mutilation program at work. What that means is the subconscious mind is the most powerful goal achieving agency known to humanity, and it cannot judge a single decision put in it. It's almost like a fertile garden with soil. It doesn't matter what you put in it. You could grow. You could grow beeth, you could grow beautiful roses, or you could grow poison ivy and poison oak. The dirt does not care. It's akin to that. And in that moment of conception, it's we're like a fertile ground that whatever seeds get planted blossom into symptoms as we age, blossom into perceptions that get stronger and stronger. So why would a person. The same thing can happen with food poisoning, by the way, I have witnessed many times where I've not only seen it myself, but clients through the years of they're sitting down, eating the same meal with the same crowd of people at the same table, and yet one person gets really bad food poisoning, or three get food poisoning and four of them don't. It has to do with where their subconscious mind is reaching critical mass. What that means is there's a part of you that says, I don't deserve to be here or I shouldn't be here, or something like that. And depending on its ebbs and flows, and what that means is every experience we have in life matches either perceptions we have, where it doesn't match. And if there's a self mutilation program running in their subconscious mind that was formed early as they go through life, if more life experiences match that have a harmony to that self mulation, every experience that comes into life, it starts to build. Let me give you an example. If early on, an infant gets to get the. I get the idea that mom is too stressed out, that they can't, she can't handle the infant, and it's too much, the self worth of the infant starts to mutate quickly. And let's say this infant grows into a little boy and he gets a little older and now he's a pre teen. So let's say this little infant who got the perception early that mom didn't want him, it's too stressful. Life's too stressful. But yet he survives and he's able to eat meals and do all the other things. And now he's a twelve year old boy at school and he's in an opportunity where they're playing dodgeball or something, yet he's the last to get picked. Like everyone picks a team and he's standing there by himself, the last to get picked. Well, we've all felt that. We've all been there and we've had that experience to where we're kind of the last to get picked on the team. And it feels uncomfortable. There's like an uncomfortable feeling. Well, to the subconscious mind, it takes that experience and adds it to that perception that's already there, that I'm not good enough, I'm not wanted. And just from not getting picked on a team, it adds a little bit more weight to that perception that's already there. Now we're saying this about a twelve year old kid out of dodgeball at a playing dodgeball or getting picked on a team. Laugh well, as those life experiences come and go and they add more and more and more weight to that perception. There's a time in our life, usually around the age of 35 to 45, when we've had enough experiences build up, it's been reinforced enough. That perception has been reinforced enough to where the mass gets so large. It's like the old adage of the camel that, or the straw that breaks the camel's back. You add one more insignificant event by itself, and suddenly it's like the scale tips and the enthusiasm the subconscious mind has for achieving that goal suddenly rises and the subconscious mind says, we aren't supposed to be here. We're not supposed to take this. We aren't good enough. You know, we're not a worthy, valuable person, whatever it is. And immediately, it'll take anything in the environment, whether you're eating at a table and there's an opportunistic bacteria there, where somebody next door that's sitting at the same table, filth, you know, feels life giving. They have perceptions of, you know, life is here to support me. I. I love my life. I love being who I am. And they really feel it at a deep level. Well, they could eat the same meal. One gets sick, one doesn't. They could be bitten by a tick. One gets sick, one doesn't. All those opportunities are there. The subconscious mind is so opportunistic, it will seek anything in the environment, you know, to make that, to make that come into a reality. And if it can't seek it in the environment, it can do it to itself through confusion of the autoimmune, you know, through what are called autoimmune conditions. When the immune system seems to be just confused, it's attacking itself, you know? And are there other factors involved? Certainly, but none of them are more powerful than a subconscious mind working either for you or against you based on these early perceptions and then getting reinforced through life's experiences. On that note, you could have a self mutilation program installed as an infant. But then you start your, let's say your parent. And I want to be clear, because I know I have a lot of women listening, and I do not want to strike horror in them because we've all been there. I heard Bruce Lipton say that around 75% of people would fail a muscle test for loving themselves. Right? If you had a big crowd of 75 people or 100,000 people, 75 of them would not pass a test for loving themselves at a very deep level. They might say it on the surface, but deep down, their subconscious just didn't get that memo. Right. And I would say it has to do with what happened to them early on, every time. But I want to be clear on something. For any listeners that might be hearing this and going, oh, my gosh, does that always mean that if a mother feel scared or frightened or maybe even regretful that suddenly she's pregnant, that the child is doomed? Absolutely not. Okay. Because it's perceptions that gain momentum that will eventually spill over into pathology. So let's say a mother and a father were love starved themselves. They didn't know what to do. They have a child, and suddenly they're like, oh, my gosh, this is a bad mistake. Maybe we should have an abortion. And they come to their symptoms and say, you know what? No, we're not going to do that. We're going to step up and we're going to be responsible for this child and we're going to love this child. The child could have an early perception of it's a mistake, but the parents step up and start to build a new perception of, hey, I love you, I welcome you. Let's go to the park. Have fun. Good job on that. You know, you've hit the baseball. You did all these things. Good job on that. You can start to build perceptions with children and reinforce those. And that doesn't mean these early ones necessarily will bloom into disease. That's what I see in my work. But it also means that we can build new perceptions and reinforce those. So I want to.

Dr. Jane Levesque [32:11 - 34:08]: It's just like the seeds, right? It's like the seeds that you're going to give attention to because you can plant lots of different seeds in the soil, but if you give attention to the sunflower and the lilies and the daisies versus the poison ivy, I think it's. I'm glad that you said that because we live in this world now. Even hearing you speak, it's like, oh, my God, I did this. I did this. And then it's. But I also have this programming or at least this understanding of life where it's like, you know what? I did the best that I could with the information that I knew and my intention with my children, even if I'm quote unquote, yelling at them or I've lost my temper, is still out of love. And this was a really good example when my husband and I ran our crossfit gym and he had a woman come and I don't, I think she was somewhere in South Africa. But essentially, the way that they raised their kids, if the kids went away from their parameter of quote unquote safety, the kid would get smacked, and then the kid would know that, oh, I have to stay close to mom and then when she moved to Canada, she was like, oh, I guess I can't do that here. Cause it's, you know, it's not appropriate. But here we would say that, oh, that's trauma. But if you look at the purpose of why she was doing that there is because, well, that's how I keep my kid close to me, and that's how I'm actually looking out for him or her to keep them safe. So they don't get, you know, they don't run away, they go kidnapped, they don't get hurt, whatever. And I just thought, well, that's interesting because I'm sure that that kid doesn't. It's not programmed as trauma. When my mom gives me a little smack, it programs, oh, my mom loves me and cares for me, so I need to stay close. And so the perception or the intention behind the action really matters. And, like, you can change that whenever, right? Like, better late than ever. It's sure. Best time to plant a tree was ten years ago, but the next best time is now.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [34:09 - 34:54]: I mean, that's exactly right. And I would say this just because when a child is born, they have a necessity to be loved. Like, we kind of talked about staring in the baby's eyes. And I will say this, though, that necessity to be loved is not always met just because the parent loved the child. And I would say that oftentimes, even smacking through the child might, and the child might, they'll interpret it completely different than what the parent intended to sometimes. Because, see, Doctor Bormettei, and we've talked about Doctor Bormete, he says this. He says, trauma is not what happened to you. It's happened. What's inside of you as a result of that.

Dr. Jane Levesque [34:54 - 34:54]: Yes.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [34:54 - 37:56]: So what does that mean? What does that mean exactly? It means that it's not the event that occurs. That's. That's the traumatizing event. Like a child getting smacked. Okay, but it's the meaning that the child gives that smack deep down. What. How are they interpreting it? Yes. The parent is saying, you can't go far. You can't do this. You may get kidnapped or eaten by a, you know, a wild animal or something, but to a child, a parent hitting them, and that's how they see it. They see it as the parent hits them. And it, and it can build a perception that is, you know, very traumatizing. And what I mean by traumatizing is a trauma is a wound that persists for a period of time. And it acts in a few different ways. One of them is a holographic geometrical shape of light. That means it acts like a hologram. It has billions of fragments of light. When one fragment goes active from a random thought, we have thought patterns. We go in and out of trance states 15 to 50 times an hour. So 15 to 50 times an hour. Our mind is taking trips here and there. You know, we're driving down the road, and our mind is all over the place, so we're naturally going in and out of these trance states and visiting old memories. So we can naturally access a fragment of it through our just our normal trance in and out states. Or a random smell, taste, or touch, you know, something, a song, perhaps hearing something can activate one of those fragments, and they go active. And suddenly we're feeling that pain, we're feeling that tension. We are capable of having an entire traumatic event get restored down into our body somewhere, and it's stored in a group of neurons. That's why a lot of times, people store trauma in their heart. They store it in their gut. But you can store memory anywhere in the entire body. You can store it anywhere in the body. I've had people store memory in an eyelash before, as funny as that may be. A trichotillomania, just constantly doing that. And I said, there's a place that starts, a place that originates, where all this came from. First impression, where do you feel that? She went right to her fingertips and right to her eyelashes, and there was memory stored in both of those that caused her to do that. And, you know, this woman had done everything else before then, but just not access that memory and change it. So this becomes the lump in your throat. This becomes the tightness, tension. This becomes the vice in your head when suddenly somebody's coming to visit that you were really your mother in law, perhaps, or you have to give a presentation, or you have a certain patient coming to see you, a certain client coming to see you, and you know that she's always kind of a mess, and she'll be complaining to you. And the minute you know she's on the schedule and you see her, there's some uneasiness somewhere getting triggered inside of you. That's memory. That's a holographic geometric shape going active. And although you're not aware of it, your brainwave state goes active as the exact same moment of encoding. It's identical to the moment of encoding, and your physiological state changes as well. Your fight or flight goes active.

Dr. Jane Levesque [37:56 - 37:59]: And, like, that's the thing that we can become aware of, is the physiological state.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [38:00 - 38:28]: That's the thing that we can become consciously aware of. It's suddenly our state changes, and we know that there's. Okay, there's something about that. There's something. And we'll oftentimes call that a trigger. They triggered me or this triggered me or something else. And what it did was it activated that wound. And the good news is those wounds can be completely healed. Now, I've talked to many therapists and many people of the years, and they say certain levels of trauma can't be healed. And I'm sure there maybe are.

Dr. Jane Levesque [38:29 - 38:31]: You haven't come across them yet, though.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [38:31 - 38:55]: I work with techniques that are so powerful that no matter what it is you're bringing, we're at least going to make big dents in it. Okay, we're going to at least make big dents in it. But I've worked with people that have been dedicated and worked with me for over a year and a half at a time, and they are completely different people. Let me give you an example, because sometimes people say, well, how long does this take? And how many treatments do I need?

Dr. Jane Levesque [38:56 - 39:20]: And Nettie, I mean, I have that question. I think the question before that, you know, when you say you're gonna go in there and you're gonna clear it up, the question is always like, where are you actually going in? And how are you actually clearing? Like, what are you clearing? That's the more tangible. And then, like, how long does it take? Because that's. I wrote that as my questions before. Cause we always talk about going in there and it's like, where are we going?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [39:20 - 40:03]: Right? Where are we going? And where are we headed to? Is it gonna be a fun journey? So many people can resist this. And that was one of your first questions. Because we're neurologically wired to resist pain and move towards pleasure. And if we know that there's something that's happened to us and we're not sure what, but there's like, a pain like me. Like, I carried that pain for a long time. I had what's called ruthless determination. I wanted to change. And there was a time in my life when at level one, I realized I only. I thought there was just one mind that I was aware of, and that world was happening to me. Life was happening to me. And then I was introduced, and you.

Dr. Jane Levesque [40:03 - 40:04]: Had zero control of it.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [40:04 - 40:47]: Zero control. Right. Life just happens. It's mechanical, it's predictable. And sometimes you're just dealt those cards and that's where you deal with it. Right. So that's a certain level of consciousness. Then I was introduced to one of my first mentors, who talked about the subconscious. And many people may talk about the subconscious, and they can do it intelligently, but in my experience, very few have actually learned how to make it work for them. There's a huge difference. Okay, well, this was a mentor who could talk about it. He couldn't show me how to fix it, but he gave me the understanding that my internal pain was from something that happened to me, and it was, in fact, causing more painful experiences to come into my life.

Dr. Jane Levesque [40:48 - 40:50]: So it's like that. Like attracts like?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [40:51 - 42:48]: Exactly. He gave me an awareness that there was an internal part of me that was. That was creating and recreating the external forces around me, and that was the awareness I needed. Then I started looking for how. Okay, how do I change the inside? How do I go deeper than he could show me? That was an awareness. There was something in me creating this. Right. And for me, going into those painful moments was sometimes hard to do. I realized that you could anchor people into safety. So I think one of the questions that comes up oftentimes is, what if, you know, there's been horrible trauma and that. Or trauma back, and I. And I don't want to go face it. I want to fix these things. But, man, you know, when you say zero to five? Oh, I just know. My child was a mess. My dad was a drunk. There was a lot of abuse, things like that. And I just don't want to go back and visit that. Okay. I just don't want to go there. Right. That can be understandable. This work. Trauma happens in a millisecond. It's not the entire memory. It's. There's a single emotional spike to where we feel neurologically overwhelmed. And it takes a millisecond before this emotional spike goes up and before it hits the threshold. Maximum our nervous system can handle before we die. Before it hits that, a protective mechanism kicks in, shuts the whole thing off, and stores it as a pocket of consciousness. And that's what a wound is. That's what trauma is. So if trauma is only a millisecond, if we're only overwhelmed for a millisecond, how much courage do I need from you to step in there and fix it? One millisecond. Additionally, I anchor people into safety, so I have them all blissed out to where their subconscious is in a very nice state of comfort and bliss, whether it's a place that they could come up with on their own or a place they've actually visited before. That's made them feel safe. I have.

Dr. Jane Levesque [42:48 - 42:50]: And that's just like a meditation that you take people to.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [42:51 - 44:05]: That is where I use some hypnotic anchoring. Okay. And get their mind and their body, their subconscious into a full state of bliss and peace before we go kick the hornet nest and find out where we need to go. And I do that with everyone because I never know. I could have a professional sitting here that looks like you. Just never. You'd never expect childhood trauma. There's never any trauma in my life, Gabe. Everything was fine. And suddenly we take her back to a moment that's very painful. And if I had not anchored her in safety, it would have been even worse, for sure. So a lot of the old school techniques that I've studied on this that are difficult to come by because the old school regression for healing people was around before the Internet. So the best you're going to find is footnotes here and there that might or might not make sense. And these were very traumatic for both the therapist and the person, but they could take you back to that initial thing and basically desensitize you. Since then, the things that we're doing today have evolved so much to where it's not traumatizing. You can go back, find that moment and recode it. So the question about where were we going? Where are we going back to? Are we stepping in? What are we doing?

Dr. Jane Levesque [44:06 - 44:11]: You're relaxing the body. You're relaxing the body. So you create a nice, safe space first, right?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [44:11 - 47:36]: Relax in the body. And then I'm queuing you with certain questions. I'm letting your mind take us where we need to go. And what's really cool about this is that you don't have to share everything. This is the most least invasive and least information absorbing process. So I'm going to ask certain questions. But what's nice is that I always tell people, you don't have to share anything you don't want to share. It all takes place in the privacy of your own mind. But I have to ask you certain questions to find that millisecond of overwhelm when, when that encoding happened. When we get there, then what we do is we recreate something new because there's. There's an absolute truth and then there's relative truth. And one of the absolute truths of this universe is that all space is, creative space. This is what quantum physics teaches us. All space within our atoms, all space between you and I right now, all space is filled with creative energy. That's an absolute truth. One it's immutable to suggestion. That's an absolute truth. That means the entire atmosphere of our cosmos, its nature is responsiveness. Responsiveness to man, responsiveness to thought. That's how powerful we are. Responsiveness to thought. So it's all space is creative. It's amenable to suggestion. That means it's responsive, but it works in a totally deductive manner. That's an absolute truth. Number three. That means it works in a positive and a negative way. So if there's a negative holographic imprint from something that is stored within your body or in your energy field, that is impressing on you, that causes symptoms, that is making you produce feelings that you don't like when certain circumstances come on, forget the emotions and the dialogue that kicks in your head and the story you tell yourself. That's all downstream of this body feeling. Whenever something happens, everything in the human experience is governed by body feelings. Feelings we want more of, or feelings we want a whole lot less of. Period. That's the. Out of all the certifications on energy work and healing people and multiple degrees, that's the most important line I can tell you. Body feelings indicate everything. So when something happens and you get a body feeling, that's that wound going active. A feeling you don't like. I want to be specific. A feeling you don't like. So if we could step into that by accessing that information and having you go to the seed planting of when it first happened, anchored in safety, and then you can find a moment where it was overwhelming for you, and you're basically just describing what you're sensing. What you're sensing, not what you're seeing, but what you're sensing. And suddenly it comes so aware to you that you're there, we find a millisecond of overwhelm, and then what we do is we establish safety right then and there. So I have you establish safety before we go in. And once you're in there, I have you bring that safety frequency into there, just coat the whole area, give it to your mom, give it to whoever you want. If your siblings are there and they're getting overwhelmed, too, if there's something abusive going on, you just give it to the entire. You give it to that entire memory, and it immediately decompresses everything. And then I have the person create something that they would rather have instead?

Dr. Jane Levesque [47:36 - 47:37]: Yes.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [47:37 - 49:05]: And I say, so what would you rather have instead? And the moment I say instead, your mind being a quantum creator, being a person who can collapse particles, take waveform information, and collapse it into physical particles. The minute I say instead, your mind bridges you to a possibility, and I have you breathe life into that possibility, amplify it, and we turn that into a feeling. We turn that into a frequency. When we turn that into a frequency, we use that frequency to cancel out all the fragments of that other frequency that was there responsible for the body feeling. So it's basically very. It's all based on neuroscience and quantum physics. Some people have said, well, I've done inner child work, or I've done hypnosis before, or I've done ayahuasca. This is similar, but much more precise and much more in depth, because when they're breathing that frequency, the new frequency, through the old one, I'm having them watch it disappear. They're literally watching that old wound disappear. And as it fades away, then I can ask them, you know, open your eyes, see how you feel, because it's a very light trance work. They're not, like, out people can. What's cool about this? There's such a light trance that you could be doing this with me, and your phone could ring, and you could look at it and say, well, who's this calling? Let me turn this off real quick. And you'd be able to get right back into that hologram. Like that. You'd be able to go right back into it.

Dr. Jane Levesque [49:05 - 49:30]: Yeah. It sounds like you're just really guiding people and guiding. Yeah, the seed. I like, I mean, what you said about the soil, because then we're basically ripping out the weed, and you're doing it pretty quickly because it's only a millisecond, but then you have to make sure that all the roots are out, and then you have to patch up where the hole was, where the weed is, and maybe even stir up the soil a bit. And that's what it sounds, right? Am I getting that right?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [49:30 - 49:39]: Yes, you're metaphorically describing it correctly. By ensuring that. And our brains do that. Our brains interpret things metaphorically and symbolically.

Dr. Jane Levesque [49:40 - 50:04]: Which is like, this is how I process it. Right? I'm like, okay, if we're using the garden, and I use that a lot for fertility, because I think about, it's not just. You're not just gonna throw a seed on the side of the road and hope that a flower blossoms. Like, we gotta prepare the soil and we gotta pull the weeds out. And there's the physical, but there is the mental and emotional, which actually drives a lot of the stuff that happens in the physical body as well.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [50:05 - 50:25]: Right. Cause I love your description of fertility as, hey, it's just a description of you if you're infertile. It's not just. That's just not something we need to focus on. We need to focus on everything about your overall health, because that's just giving us a glimpse of what's going on. If there's dysfunction there.

Dr. Jane Levesque [50:25 - 50:27]: There's probably dysfunction somewhere else.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [50:27 - 50:43]: It's foolish to say, well, here's the problem, you know, without looking at everything else. So I think that's well played by you to. So, hey, this gives us a glimpse of your overall health. These other areas need to be looked at in order to improve that area if we're going to do it right, you know?

Dr. Jane Levesque [50:43 - 51:31]: Sure. Well, and I just think it's such a big responsibility, and I, like I've said this many times, I see people take more time, energy, and put more money away towards buying a house than they do when it comes to having a child. And then when we have the child, then we're so anxious and overwhelmed because we realize, at least that was my experience of, like, oh, my God, this is actually really hard work. And just because I'm built to do this doesn't mean that it's easy, you know? And then once the child is out, well, now you're constantly worried, am I traumatizing my child? Because we know all this information, and the truth is, it's what I've come to peace with. Even the example that we use with the snacking the child, if she had two kids, one kid might be traumatized by that, while the other one won't be. Correct.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [51:31 - 51:31]: Right.

Dr. Jane Levesque [51:31 - 51:48]: Cause it depends on their own little program individual. Yeah. And what they perceive. And so one of my daughters might be traumatized by the fact that I didn't give her cereal one day, whereas the other one is gonna not even think twice about it, and I don't have control of that.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [51:49 - 51:50]: No, that's exactly right.

Dr. Jane Levesque [51:50 - 51:54]: But I can't teach her how to process it.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [51:54 - 53:50]: Right. It's all about perspective. And if we. And I mentioned that about a trauma, a trauma is also constriction. So what that means is if we have something occur to us and it makes us a lesser version that we. That persist as that lesser version of us after the event is over, so many times we can say, oh, that traumatized me. I watched that show, and it traumatized me. It may have stressed you out, it might have given you a frightful experience, but it. But for something to traumatize you, it makes you a lesser version of yourself afterwards. And that's one mark of it and there's many other characteristics of it. It can hijack your internal gps. Maybe you're an empath and you can sense things, but you can sense other people's energy and things like that. But with certain loads of trauma, everyone has different loads of trauma. It can make it to where you don't pick up on those empathic feelings correctly. They're all kind of coming in instead of being coherent. They're muffled. You don't trust your heart feelings, you don't listen to your gut feelings, you don't trust your intuition correctly. Even though these things may be there and revved up and attempting to get your attention. It can give you an altered. It can basically hijack your gps systems built in. Okay? So it can do it. It can do a number of things to us and it can also build perceptions. That's why illness starts to come, okay? There's many different reasons. It can build perceptions to where we try to compensate for those. If we did not feel loved as a child, it can make us do things to try to earn that love later in life, such as really putting emphasis on how attractive we are. You see this in people that are always doing gym selfies. Without a doubt, the people that are.

Dr. Jane Levesque [53:50 - 54:20]: That put a trigger just the amount of. About the amount of work that, like, women obviously are getting done. I know men would, but it's just I have never seen so much botox, eyelashes, boob jobs, hair extensions. I like, I'm just like floored of how much we've gone down that loop and how much we have accepted it as like, well, I just want to do this because it makes me feel x, y and z, right?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [54:20 - 57:16]: See, and they're looking for something on the external when there's something on the internal that's not quite right. Because any of those women, any women that has a breast enhancement therapy, dove or they do the botox or the lips or anything else, they would have a hard time saying they love themselves out loud, you know, especially looking in the mirror at their own eyes. And what they're doing is they're. They're compensating for that. Those compensating factors can become very stressful because even though the person is doing something on the external, it will not fill the void on the inside. And that's what they're attempting to do, is fill some kind of void on the inside. Something that was supposed to be good, that didn't happen to them. They weren't accepted for who they were. They weren't cherished for who they were as an individual. Therefore, they have to work harder to do that. And sometimes these people become extremely nice. These are the people that are the people pleasers. These are the ones that can't say no when they should say no. These are the people that have a compulsive behavior to nurture the emotional needs of everyone around them while completely ignoring their own. That is a significant risk factor in nearly all cases of malignancy I've ever seen. Okay? They can't say no. They feel responsible for how other people feel. And why would they have this? When they come into the world? They have this need for connection. They have a need for connection. And if they don't get that connection during those crucial times, unknowingly, unwillingly, unconsciously, they will seek to try to build that connection any way they can. And they'll do it through trying to get, when the approval of people around them and putting themselves through great stresses as they're doing it. And through what's called psychoneuroimmunology, the brain centers that control our emotions also control our nervous system, our hormonal apparatus, and our immune system. So whenever we suppress part of ourselves, whenever we don't speak our authentic self, deep down, when we say yes, when we really say no, whenever we feel like, I have to do this to be lovable, I have to do some kind of action to feel worthy, okay? There's a part of us that's telling us to kind of relax. There's a part of us telling us that we're okay, how we are, but we push that down to try to overcompensate. And as we're pushing that down, we're also repressing our hormones, we're also repressing our immune system, and we're also repressing a lot of our nervous system function. And that's why people can become prone to chronic illnesses and things like that. That's where autoimmune comes in, because there's pushing down their emotional center. They're repressing their emotions or suppressing their emotions, and likewise, they're suppressing down those other systems at the same time.

Dr. Jane Levesque [57:16 - 57:28]: Yeah. Cause you can't suppress one without the other, right? It's just like the good and the bad with the emotional scale, you can't suppress the bad emotions and just feel the good ones. You kind of end up suppressing everything, and that's why you feel the flat.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [57:28 - 59:08]: That's exactly right. You can't suppress one without the other. And for every unit of energy that you keep buried down. It requires an equal, if not greater amount of energy to keep it there. I worked with a woman twice now, and she's had chronic bladder pain that's been unresponsive to everything, including muscle testing, including parasite cleanses, including everything you could name, every kind of protocol, and everything else in her bladder pain continues to hurt. And the first thing I asked her was, are you pissed off at people? Do you have resentment? Are you holding on to old ideas? These are typical thought cause alignment patterns with chronic bladder. Maybe, maybe not. I'm just kind of inquiring. And she said, yeah, I've got a lot of resentment towards my brother for certain things, and my father for certain things. It's funny you mentioned that, because. And I said, have you ever heard that before? And she said, no. And so we go in, we find the feeling related to the resentment. We go in, we find several memories of her and her brother. We do a batch release. We take every version of her that's ever felt resentment to a safe place, established safety in all of them at once. She's watching this. I'm just kind of telling her how to do it, making sure that every past version of her feel safe. If you don't establish safety in every version of you who's ever felt powerless, it could still have power over you in some way, shape or form. So we're doing a batch release, really powerful shifting. And we come out of the session, and I say, think of your brother. Think of your father. I want you to feel some kind of resentment. I want you to be angry at them. I want you to be.

Dr. Jane Levesque [59:09 - 59:09]: Try it.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [59:09 - 1:00:20]: And she just couldn't. She's laughing at it, saying, oh, my gosh, you know, there's just. There's nothing there. It's just a complete blank body feeling. That means the wound was healed. So I did a follow up session with her. Actually, it was yesterday, and she said my bladder had flared up quite a bit. Is that normal? And I said, it can happen sometimes. Sometimes there's a part of you that still there, still remaining, something that needs to get looked at. But I intuitively, I just knew. I said, have you been wanting to cry and not letting yourself? And she goes, yeah, I went on vacation. And I could just feel this stuff coming up, and I buried it. And I said, okay, where'd you bury it? And she goes down to here. And I said, okay. And I said, I want you to just go get a pillow for me. And I had her get into a mild altered state. Of consciousness, a little bit of trance. She grabbed this pillow. She screamed into this pillow for about four minutes, you know, on and on and off, on and off and on and off. And I was. Here's the thing. As she was doing it, I was encouraging her. This was through.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:00:20 - 1:00:21]: Yeah.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:00:21 - 1:00:38]: I was like, get it out. I was like, you're gonna feel much better, and you get all this out. Get it all out, get it all out. Afterwards, she was done. She could not feel any bladder pain. It went from a seven out of ten to instantly, like, a 0.5 from screaming. So what that means is our work.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:00:38 - 1:00:42]: Had, had worked, but she didn't release the emotion.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:00:42 - 1:02:00]: There was sometimes a purging effect that has to occur, and this work will cause that. If you go back and change your earliest perception of childhood, suddenly you give this. Your past is alive inside you, and it influenced you. And most people have no idea of that until they experience it. But whenever you go back and you shift something, and the farther back you go in your memories, the more influence it has over your entire being. So we went back, changed it. She did the batch release and all that. But as a result of changing that, everyone's so different. Anything not in harmony with that change that we had just did was clearing itself out. And as that came up, she's been so used to burying her stuff that she just buried that, and it made her bladder flare up a bit. So I always tell people, if it's gonna cut, let it come up, let it come out, you know? And once she was totally better, she still could not bring up resentment or anything, but there was just this need to cry, and she just didn't wanna. She just didn't want to feel it. And that's because. That's because that repressed energy has to go somewhere. When we repress that stuff long enough, when we repressed those emotions, whenever we. And do you or your listeners know what I mean by suppressing and repressing?

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:02:01 - 1:02:08]: I would love for you to clarify that, because that was one of the questions. I'm like, how do you know you have suppressed or repressed emotions?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:02:08 - 1:02:28]: Okay. I was in Africa years ago, and there was a guide there, and he said, if you ever see a lion, a male lion running at you, don't run. 90% of those charges are mock charges. And the lion is just kind of testing out. So I said, what do you do?

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:02:29 - 1:02:30]: What a test, right? What a test.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:02:31 - 1:04:26]: Well, I thought, what. What better example? There's other examples. But he said, stand, look at it, and hold your arms. Up, hold your arms up in the air and look at it. And that will. That will definitely be a test for him, because if it's a mark charge, 90% of the time it is, he's going to stop and go the other way. So at that moment, you are literally not feeling your fear. It's like, if it's a dog and you say, don't let him smell your fear. You're kind of stuffing that down. Okay? Stuffing down that fear to stand your ground, in this case of a lion charging. Another way of thinking about it is if you've ever hugged somebody, had a neighbor or a friend or a family member that had a great loss occurred, something really happened to their life, and they had some tragedy occur, and they came to you and they needed some consolidation, and you were like, they're there. And you give them a hug, and you're holding them, and they're crying on your shoulder, and you're watching in the background, and yet you see something comical occur. Let's say you're watching a dog, and he slips and falls for a second, and he gets back up, and you're seeing this almost comical event occurring. That's nothing to do with your friend crying on your shoulder. Are you gonna laugh? No, you shouldn't. You're gonna. You should not. Right? You're gonna. You're gonna bite your tongue and go, mmm. You know, you're not going to allow yourself to laugh because the timing is inappropriate. That is what happens whenever we repress or suppress things. Suppressing means that we know we're doing it. Okay? It's a. It's a decision. Like the lion, like hugging the person. We know that we're. I shouldn't feel that right now. Let me bury it. Okay. That's suppressing. Repressing is when it's become so automatic that we don't allow ourself. We always have a body feeling, but we just kind of stuff it away.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:04:26 - 1:04:27]: It's automatic.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:04:27 - 1:07:31]: It's automatic. But both of those are dangerous. In my next book I'm writing right now, I talk about any munition expert will disappear. Tell you how you can. You can completely alter the black by changing the shape of the charge. Okay? So the example I give is this. If I took black powder and put it on the ground and burned it, the black powder would burn evenly. And no matter where you are in the room watching this, it would be a harmless event. But if I take that same black powder and I put it in a rifle casing shell and put a projectile on it and put it in a vise and hit the primer. The projectile will come out anywhere from 10ft to 100ft in just some random haphazard direction. You take the same amount of black powder, put it in a rifle casing, put it in a barrel now of a rifle, and it will shoot, predictably, a mile and a half. Now, if you take the same black powder, the same rifle casing, put it in the same barrel, and cork it off, now you're going to have an explosion 100 times more violent than anything I've described so far, probably killing the shooter and anyone standing nearby. But what's important to recognize is the black powder amount had never changed. So whenever we repress feelings and we don't allow them to be expressed, we're basically capping off that energy. When we cap off that energy over time, it has to go somewhere. Whenever it goes inward, it creates autoimmune malignancy, chronic pain, diseases. Because that energy is going inward, it has to go somewhere. When it goes outward, we see things like domestic violence, we see things like violent crime, we see things. Marvin Hameyer, a man who. And Grundy, Colorado, I can't recall the name of the town. Marvin Hameyer. If you just look up what's called kill Dozer, there's a man who lost. He was in a court battle against a powerful family, and over and over and over, his muffler factory, he had a muffler repair shop, sort of losing ground and losing ground to this powerful family. And he even goes inside and tape records himself saying, you've pushed me to do this. I tried, but you pushed me to do this. And he armors up a bulldozer, puts a couple of rifles through it, you know, in some areas, and he one day gets into that bulldozer, and he drives over, destroys the mayor's house, destroys town hall. Cop cars were actually useless to do anything against him. And people can look at that and say, oh, my gosh, it's so terrible, man. He lost it. That's just normal psyche, normal human psyche, being pushed. Instead of him letting that stuff out, somehow, some way, it built up and built up and built up and finally exploded outward, for sure. Yeah.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:07:33 - 1:08:26]: It'S fascinating. I mean, I know we're running out of time, but how do you know which questions to ask? And because even yesterday, when we had our appointment, there was a couple phrases that you use that are really powerful. And I think when we're listening to a content like this, we're kind of like we're just trying to consume it, and I'm trying to make sense of it, and I have to take a couple days to let my body process it. But when you get me to say things out loud, there's almost this immediate feedback that you get of like, huh, that's interesting. I've never said this sentence before, or when I say it, I can feel that it doesn't sync with my body. Like, it doesn't feel true, you know? So how do you know which sentences to add? Is this just like experience over time? Is there intuition that's involved? Obviously, lots of your education, I'm assuming.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:08:28 - 1:09:16]: I'd say a little bit of all that. Okay, a little bit of all that, just working with people. But what I'm essentially doing, and in my book, from pain to purpose, the intention was to give this to people, this technology access for people that maybe can't afford my services or not available, things like that, but still give them a way to understand themselves better. And so what I did was I wrote self image list, like a self image construct. And what it is, it's a way of learning something about yourself. But in order to do this, you're going to have to go from level one understanding of consciousness, to level two. Level two is where you start to realize, hey, there's two minds within me. There's a conscious and subconscious mind. And although I may have heard that term before, and the psychologist.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:09:16 - 1:09:18]: You haven't experienced it?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:09:18 - 1:12:39]: I haven't experienced it. The psychiatric doctor or the psychologist doctor tells me my subconscious is the id, the ego. It's the part of me that runs my heart rate. It's the part of me that digests food and all that. And we get that there's another part of the subconscious that's a universal mind. It's connected to every single particle in the universe. That's where you can sense things. Telepathic abilities, for example, are five times more scientifically validated than an aspirin. Preventing a heart attack has five times more of an impact than that. Yet everyone's heard of an aspirin taking an aspirin for a heart attack. And if you say the word telepathic, they automatically go, well, that can't be accurate. It's actually more validated five times scientifically because of this universal connection we all have. We've heard, if you've never heard of remote viewing, there's an organization, I've studied it, and I can even teach people that remote viewing is where you are actually able to perceive things over great distances and perceive them real and sense things going on just because of the vast universal mind. We have that connection. There's a company I know of that the us government hired a couple of remote viewers and they could pinpoint missiles in Iran, they could pinpoint prisoners in Iraq, and they found them with stunning accuracy. So of course, this is well known and researched and all that. And that all has to do with the subconscious mind, every bit of it. So whenever I'm trying to find something that is something you don't like, and we don't know where it's at, and the only source that knows is your subconscious mind, we have to provoke it. Now, in my book, I talk about this self image list, and I list off some phrases that say, you're worthless, you'll never amount to anything, you're unlovable, nobody will ever love you. And what those phrases are doing are giving you data. That's it. Not insulting, it's just giving you data. And as you hear those words, if there's a ping inside of your body, a vibrational, a trigger, but you feel this body feeling show up, that is because those words have some kind of resonance to something within you, and that's what needs to be cleared out. It has nothing to do with your interpretation or the emotions or. He's insulting me. None of that. It has to do with some kind of little ping. And what I do is look for those pings. I look for those things. And once we clear those out, the wound is healed. All the emotional cascade that comes with it is healed as well. And the chance for a re trigger and the chance for it to affect our brain waves and our physiological states is mathematically zeroed out. I was invited to give a presentation for some big names last week, and this was for wealth building. I know my forte is definitely psychosomatic medicine, which is helping people with unresponsive physiological illnesses, mystery illnesses of all kinds, where nothing else has worked and have attitude, cause repressed emotions. But I also do a lot of performance enhancing, too. People that have blind spots that are wanting to go to another step.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:12:39 - 1:12:39]: Sure.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:12:39 - 1:14:23]: Yeah. So that was the case for this group. They wanted me to talk to a group of, um, people to help them. And because they're doing this big group, and a lot of them are millionaires and they want to get to the next level, and some of them are thriving millionaires. And so I was invited to speak to this group last week. Uh, last weekend, yeah. And so I sat down through Zoom and I said this. I want everyone in this room to pay attention, how you feel. And this is similar to what I would do for. For a client. It's no different. Maybe the context is different, but it's the same thing. And they, of course, have all heard of the subconscious mind, and many of them had worked on it, but there was still something that they were inviting me to go deeper with. And I said, I want you all to pay attention to how these statements make you feel. I want you to say out loud, money flows to me easily, and I spend it wisely. I want you to say it out loud, and I want you to believe it. And then I want you to say, as you say that out loud, notice, as you say it, there's some little feeling that shows up. As you say, it feels good. And then you notice this little icky, nagging feeling in the background. And that nagging feeling, although it may be faint, is your dominant thought. That's your dominant thought. That's the thing the universe is responding to, because we live in a waveform, vibrational universe, and we can say these things, and we can want these things. You know, I'm a millionaire right now. I earn a million dollars this year. And you're saying that and this little ping shows up in the background. Well, that ping is a vibrational signature that the universe responds to far more.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:14:23 - 1:14:30]: Than your voice, because it's that millisecond in your nervous system that has basically been captured in the subconscious and creating.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:14:31 - 1:15:15]: Life as you know it somewhere you learned that either. And here's where the interpretation. You know, I always tell people, if you want to mess up a good session, I had class with my PhD students yesterday. I said, look, if you want to mess up a good healing session with any client, you go in there assuming you know what's going to be the problem. You never know. You never know their subconscious. And like you called this, you said, root cause. This is like root cause medicine. It's very true. I always have people, they have no idea what is causing their problem. And I don't either. I never pretend to even know. I just know this. There's only one source that knows. Let's find out what it is. Let your subconscious take it.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:15:15 - 1:15:25]: Yeah. Let's make it feel safe, and let's ask some provoking questions. And because you've been doing it for so long, you know exactly what questions to ask. And when the mind tries to get away from you, you know how to pin it.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:15:25 - 1:15:36]: I. I know how to. Well, it's not pin it, but I know if we're going where we need to go. If not because you can't force it to do anything, right? I had a woman.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:15:36 - 1:15:37]: It's like a toddler, right?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:15:37 - 1:18:44]: This might be a little. It's like a toddler, right? With the power of the milky way galaxy behind it and the playfulness of a toddler, right, where our stoic intellectual mind is. The power of, like, an automobile engine compared to the Milky Way galaxy. That's the two. But you just never know where the source of that's going to come from. This might be a little vulgar, but I think it's appropriate to share. I had a woman in Moscow, Russia, once, and I maybe told you this. Contact me. And she said that she had high blood pressure, she had really bad heart palpitations. She had all kinds of stomach acid problems, Gerd and everything else. And she had done as much as she could, and she contacts me, and. And I'm talking to her about this, and she goes, it's my. It's my ex husband. I had a really, really bad marriage with him. It was abusive, and I got away, and I've lived away from him for a year now, but all these problems still come up, and I'm still just terrified of the man. I think of his face at night when I'm trying to sleep, and she flat out said, gabe, I want you to nuke the memories of him, okay? And I said, okay. Well, I said, when you think about him, when you think about him, you think about your ex husband, you think about all the problems it's causing you. I want you to know, if there's a body feeling, you have, a feeling you don't. Like. Take us all the way back to the very first time you had that feeling, and suddenly she's six months old, and it's in a complete blur. Everything about the room is in a complete blur. Almost like you're underwater with your eyes open, with no goggles, you know, and I'm asking her some questions, and she really can't answer them. Like, are you inside a building? You know, are you. Are you alone with people? Is the room temperature cool or warm? Are you able to tell any of that? And she says, no, but she knew she was six months. And I said, is your mind keeping you from something? Is your mind blocking you from something? She goes, yeah, yeah, it is. Because your unconscious mind, your subconscious always answers first. It always answers correctly. And I said, um, are you willing and allowing to let yourself be revealed whatever is going on in this moment so you can get free from it? And she said, yes. I did a little countback, and I said to her subconscious mind, like a dimmer switch getting brighter, like a volume switch getting louder. You're revealing all the details we need to know in this moment for her to get free of it. As we did that, she realized that she's six months old, on her father's shoulder, and her father is actually masturbating. And although it sounds horrible, that had nothing to do with her ex husband at all. It had to do with this moment. And she starts crying and getting frustrated, and I let her take it all out. I let her be as ugly as she needed to be. Then we batched the whole thing in some serious forgiveness. Okay? And at her next appointment, her heart palpations were gone, her digestion had vastly improved, and her blood pressure.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:18:44 - 1:18:47]: No memory of her. No memory of her husband.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:18:47 - 1:19:31]: And here's the thing, after the appointment, because whatever she brought to me, she goes, can you nuke the memories of my husband? I said, I can't nuke them, because that'd be like me taking a time machine and acting it where you just never met your husband. I can't do that. Like Gabor says. He says, trauma is not what happened to you. It's what happened inside you. That is what I can help you with. Whatever it's encoded, how it's been encoded is what I can help you do. I can't change your past, but I can change the way your mind body is giving meaning to that path. Okay? And I've often thought about Gabor. I've often thought, man, if he could just sit through some of my work, because I know that he's still hurting from his past, and he's been just a ball of wisdom. I've learned so much from studying Henry.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:19:31 - 1:20:09]: I've seen a big shift of him with him since he talked about that ayahuasca. I don't know if he's seen him on Joe Rogan talk about his ayahuasca trip, because I met him in person when I was in Vancouver and he did some trauma work. I remember I came to one of his talks, and I could see this heaviness, and it was palpable, and it's very different now. And I'm sure there's obviously, you know, we only get to see a little bit of the person, and. But I noticed a change in him since he's gotten some more work. Like, it's just there's a lightness, you know?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:20:09 - 1:20:13]: So what that ayahuasca do, I mean.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:20:13 - 1:20:15]: It brought him to God that's what it did.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:20:15 - 1:20:22]: Exactly. Here's the thing. Here's the thing, exactly. And here's the thing. We all have a piece of God in us.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:20:22 - 1:20:22]: Yes.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:20:23 - 1:20:47]: And we lose that with that initial sensitizing event. And that's what my work does without the ayahuasca, is it takes you back to that first seed planting where you first went from, fresh from God, fresh from divine. I've studied 300 near death experiences, and I've interviewed people and their characteristics of what happens when we leave the physical body is phenomenally similar.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:20:48 - 1:20:48]: Yes.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:20:48 - 1:21:08]: So what happens if that's what happens when we leave the physical body? What happens whenever we come into this form? Well, whenever we come into this form at conception, we go from pure consciousness, infinite pure consciousness, to a single cell. That's what happened.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:21:08 - 1:21:08]: Yeah.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:21:08 - 1:22:03]: That's the only thing. And yet all we still know at that moment is divine God. Blithe heath, zero burden, that's all. We come into this world knowing the good of God at conception, and yet we are. We have no perceptions of mankind until we have that first taste of humanity. And that first taste of humanity is oftentimes. I'm pregnant. Oh, I just can't be, not right now. And that becomes our very first, what I call pie in the face. When we're fresh from God, when we're fresh from the divine, from pure light, pure harmony, pure everything, to suddenly this pie comes out of nowhere and smacks us in the face. And we hear Bruce Willis's voice saying, hey, welcome to the party, pal. Life's not such a bowl of cherries here, is it? And that becomes our perception. Right?

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:22:03 - 1:22:04]: Totally.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:22:04 - 1:22:07]: Ayahuasca. Get your mind out of the way.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:22:08 - 1:22:10]: Sure. I mean, any psychedelics? Right.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:22:10 - 1:22:44]: Altered state of consciousness, that's. That's what psychedelics do. But anything that's going to do any kind of meaningful change work to a person has to do with what's called altered state of consciousness. And that's. And that's basically a trance state that what's unique about holographic manipulation therapy is we don't get your conscious mind out of the way. So people ask, is it hypnosis? Here's the thing. Hypnosis is a label. Hypnosis is just a label. Everything is hypnosis today. All the media, everything. So hypnosis is, whether you know it.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:22:44 - 1:22:45]: Or not, you're hypnotized.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:22:46 - 1:23:01]: Every preacher is a hypnosis. Yeah. Okay. Every person that can alter every actor is the best hypnotherapist on the world, on the planet. Actors on tvs that can get into emotional states, take you out of your world and bring you into theirs.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:23:01 - 1:23:02]: Yes.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:23:02 - 1:24:17]: That is hypnosis. That is all hypnosis. Okay, so is it hypnosis? Yes and no. It's not traditional hypnosis. I use that anchoring in for safety, but then I use something different to access that. And this. The part that's different is hypnosis makes your critical, conscious mind. It moves it out of the way, and it talks to the subconscious. In this work, we use your conscious mind. We use what's called your critical faculty, and we use your subconscious altogether. So there's a lot more meaningful change. We use all parts of your mind, not just turning some of them off to talk to the deeper parts. So that's where it's different. And all levels of holographic, malicious therapy, you're there. You're able to make decisions, but you're. But it's. It can be compared to an ayahuasca trip, but without the. You know, you're anchored in the safety. Many times with people that do ayahuasca, it's. It's grown so fast that I believe the professional level of handling it, um, if not quite there yet. So it can be a real hit or miss. You can get with somebody that is meaningful, but they don't know the right things, and it might not be. It might not be helpful for you.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:24:17 - 1:24:33]: Yeah. And I. My biggest pet peeve is when we say natural medicine didn't work or this didn't, you know, because usually you just missed pieces somewhere. You know, you did something before the body was actually ready, or you didn't have the right support tool integration after.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:24:34 - 1:24:36]: Right. Because natural stuff does work.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:24:37 - 1:24:38]: That's why we're here.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:24:39 - 1:24:40]: That's why we're here. Right.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:24:41 - 1:24:51]: Yeah. That's how we're all here. Yeah. Tell us how. What's a good way. I know you talked about your book. What's a good way to get people started in this kind of work, to read your book?

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:24:51 - 1:26:40]: Okay. If you want to know more about myself, thesubconscious healer.com, it's my website. And there you'd have. You'll see my book pop right up as a good way to order that. If you order that through Amazon or whatever else, and you let us know you ordered it, you get a bonus where you get video content free with the book to purchase the book that shows you how to do these techniques that are in the book. So you have some video instructions, not just it written out for how to start to access this party, how do you anchor stuff into safety? First off, how to do some holographic deletions with interface which are really powerful and how to reframe, how to reframe certain perceptions so you can get a taste of this on your own. And these techniques are very, very powerful. I see them shift things all the time. The feedback from my book has been absolutely outstanding from people that never heard of me, people in Australia, people all over the world that are reading this and doing this and understanding. As you read the book, you realize that you're non physical. You realize that you're made of quantum particles. I go into a lot of science explaining how non physical you are. So by the time you get to the techniques, they make complete sense. If you like most people just jump to the techniques and you have a stoic understanding of this flesh body that we live in. It might not be as helpful as the information there kind of preps you for it. So thesubconscioushealer.com is our website. The book is called from pain to purpose, a complete guide on how to reverse PTSD using holographic theory. And then an email just to contact us would be elevate your field. Elevate your field at PDM as in Paul mike, me as in Mike Echo.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:26:41 - 1:28:01]: So amazing. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, doctor Gabe Roberts, a subconscious healer. I'm really excited to work with you. I'm excited to be spreading this message because I am all for rude medicine. And I think a lot of the, I mean, and maybe this is just the way that my belief system is working right now. It's easier to get into the physical body and to start helping people feel better, but they're going to come to a point where that's not going to be enough. And so we have to look at the mental and emotional and the more that we can have these conversations, the more it makes it less uncomfortable to even talk about these things and then kind of gets rid of the fear that like, oh my God, now I'm going to have to talk about all of my childhood trauma and deal with it, where in reality there's incredible people, amazing techniques that are really simple, that can take you to the place where you need to go and just help you resolve it. Like have an actual guide do it instead of thinking that you have to do it on your own. But I think starting with reading a book is a great place to start because that's how you're going to get it into your subconscious. And then one day you're going to say, hey, maybe this is something that I need to do now, and maybe that day's today, but maybe it's a month from now or a year from now, but we're getting there. We're getting there as a society, I think.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:28:02 - 1:28:03]: Absolutely.

Dr. Jane Levesque [1:28:03 - 1:28:07]: Yeah. Thank you so much, Doctor Deeb, for being here. I appreciate you.

Dr. Gabe Roberts [1:28:07 - 1:28:09]: Well, thank you. This has been a pleasure. Jane.

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