1 00:00:00,001 --> 00:00:11,200 Welcome to Podcast Answers, the show where I help people start and grow their podcast, 2 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:14,200 answering any podcasting questions along the way. 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,520 And today we have a special episode. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:22,660 We are going to be chatting with Katie Fawkes from Ecamm about interviewing and interview 5 00:00:22,660 --> 00:00:26,800 questions and how do you get interviewers to talk. 6 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:31,040 Every show here, I was chatting with her and it was a great conversation. 7 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:37,120 So I wanted to bring her on and talk a little bit today about how you can do this. 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:42,800 And her and Doc Rock were talking about this on a recent episode of The Flow. 9 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,600 And so it got me thinking, you know, a lot of my listeners would love to hear this same 10 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,360 conversation with Katie. 11 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:49,720 So Katie, welcome to the show. 12 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:52,400 Can you just talk a little bit about who you are? 13 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:54,640 Nope, absolutely not. 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:55,640 Just kidding. 15 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,400 Well, I'm so delighted to be here. 16 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,260 If you haven't met me yet, I am Katie. 17 00:01:00,260 --> 00:01:05,680 As Andy was saying, I work over at Ecamm, which is a live streaming and video production software 18 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:10,720 that Andy is using and many people use to bring their podcasts, their shows, their videos 19 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:14,640 to life and be able to do really cool things. 20 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,440 I have a really weird background. 21 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,280 I actually started in copywriting, so I was the person that like absolutely never, ever, 22 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,080 ever wanted to be on camera. 23 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,840 And now I love it. 24 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:31,560 I feel like I'm probably doing these kinds of interviews or video recordings or live 25 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:36,040 streams, certainly multiple times a week, many times multiple times a day. 26 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,560 So I do think I'm a big believer in the fact that practicing and pushing yourself out of 27 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:46,600 your comfort zone and just being yourself really goes a long way in building your confidence 28 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,720 and getting you towards your goals. 29 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:54,840 And for me, it was like scared to be on camera to confident on camera. 30 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,840 That's my short blurb on me today. 31 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:57,840 Yeah. 32 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:01,000 And I know you've interviewed me for a couple of different shows before. 33 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:04,680 And so, yeah, I was really impressed with how I knew your story. 34 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:10,760 I knew that you came from this whole idea of not being on camera to being pretty comfortable 35 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:11,760 on camera. 36 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,520 You and Doc do a show biweekly now. 37 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:22,560 But then you also are interviewing people on other shows for Ecampus Network. 38 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,280 And so, yeah, let's just talk a little bit today about interviewing and interview tips. 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:33,840 So we were talking a little bit before the show about how it feels interesting when we 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,080 were talking and it felt like a conversation. 41 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,920 But then as soon as you hit record, it almost feels like there's pressure to make the conversation 42 00:02:40,920 --> 00:02:42,320 flow and everything. 43 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:47,320 So what's the very first tip that you'd give me as far as interviewing goes and helping 44 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:49,320 keep the conversation flowing? 45 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:50,320 Oh my gosh. 46 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:56,120 Well, I would say that if you're newer to interviewing, do yourself a favor and start 47 00:02:56,120 --> 00:03:01,400 with friends or start with people that you can have those really great conversations 48 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,640 with because it will give you confidence. 49 00:03:05,640 --> 00:03:11,120 It'll help you to put in the reps, but it'll also help you figure out what kinds of things 50 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:15,320 work, what kinds of questions really work well, what kinds of questions maybe don't, 51 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,240 and how your audience responds. 52 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:21,600 And again, if you're bringing out a friend, like Andy and I know each other pretty well 53 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,860 at this point, we're able to have good conversations. 54 00:03:24,860 --> 00:03:30,920 So I know that if I was the interviewer and I had a moment of panic where I forgot a question 55 00:03:30,920 --> 00:03:36,040 or I was looking flustered, I know Andy would dive in and start talking or share a different 56 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,040 experience. 57 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:38,040 You have someone that will cover you for that. 58 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:42,840 So I would say start with people that you're really comfortable with and then just take 59 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,800 notes every single time you're practicing it. 60 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,120 What worked really well, what didn't work really well. 61 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,760 There's a ton of different styles when it comes to interviewing people. 62 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:51,240 So get it. 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,240 Yeah. 64 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:55,280 Starting with getting in those reps and figuring out what works really well for you and what 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,320 your audience resonates best with. 66 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,240 What would you say is your interview style? 67 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:00,560 Oh gosh. 68 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,440 We were just talking about this. 69 00:04:02,440 --> 00:04:07,240 I am definitely the conversational style interviewer. 70 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:11,720 I don't do a lot of prep work when it comes to questions. 71 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:17,720 I am the person that if I, and maybe this is because A, I'm a perfectionist and B, I 72 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:19,560 come from a writing background. 73 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:25,520 If I sit and write out what the perfect interview is for me. 74 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,680 So I write out what all the questions are. 75 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,400 I write out how I want it to flow, what the segments are. 76 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:35,800 If I write all of that out, when it comes time to actually doing the interview, I'm 77 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:41,080 so locked into those specific questions and that's my expectation for how I want the show 78 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,160 to go. 79 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:46,240 And it's never going to go like that because you could be having a really bad day as my 80 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:47,240 guest. 81 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,760 There could be a tech challenge. 82 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:51,320 I could forget the question. 83 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,800 One of the questions could not get the kind of answer I'm looking for. 84 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:03,000 So it really locks me into a way too rigid and way too tight a box really. 85 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:09,040 And so for me, I've found through experience really that if I do that, it's just not going 86 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,440 to work out the way that I want it to. 87 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:15,460 And it makes her really unpleasant situation and experience for both me and for my guests. 88 00:05:15,460 --> 00:05:18,840 They can tell that I'm like really trying to focus on these specific questions. 89 00:05:18,840 --> 00:05:21,200 If they get off track, I'm like clearly looking at the questions. 90 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,520 I'm clearly looking at the clock. 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:28,200 So I don't, I do a lot of research on the topic that I want to cover. 92 00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:33,380 I do a lot of research on the person who I think is the best fit to help me answer questions 93 00:05:33,380 --> 00:05:34,900 around that topic. 94 00:05:34,900 --> 00:05:36,720 And then I just let it be a conversation. 95 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:38,120 You know, I want to pick their brain. 96 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:44,280 I want to share my own experiences as well because sometimes when I talk about my experiences, 97 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:48,300 it triggers something in the guest and they're like, oh yeah, and they can continue giving 98 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:49,720 more information and giving more value. 99 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,720 And it also lets me pull in any questions that I see coming through because most of 100 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,800 most of the interviews I'm doing are in a live environment. 101 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,740 So I can see questions coming through from, you know, viewers or listeners who are contributing 102 00:06:01,740 --> 00:06:02,740 to the conversation. 103 00:06:02,740 --> 00:06:07,720 So it, um, I think it gives a lot of flexibility and it makes it a more pleasant experience 104 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,120 for both me and for my guest. 105 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:10,120 Yeah. 106 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:11,680 I think for me, what I found the same thing. 107 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,560 I find that if I can get maybe five or six questions and I can send those to the guest 108 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:22,320 ahead of time, it helps lubricate them a little bit, you know, make them more fluent, make 109 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:23,880 more comfortable, right? 110 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,220 Especially if they've never done interviews before. 111 00:06:25,220 --> 00:06:28,860 You and I have done interviews before, we're pretty comfortable on camera and chatting 112 00:06:28,860 --> 00:06:29,860 with each other. 113 00:06:29,860 --> 00:06:35,780 But a lot of times my guests on this podcast or the other podcasts that I do aren't super 114 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:39,620 aren't super fluent in doing interviews and talking with an interviewer. 115 00:06:39,620 --> 00:06:43,720 And so if I can set maybe five questions and I tell them these are questions that we may 116 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:49,240 talk about just so it kind of gives them an idea of, of what the conversation flow may 117 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:53,920 go because if, if they don't know and they're not used to doing interviews, they may be 118 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:55,380 nervous and kind of clam up. 119 00:06:55,380 --> 00:07:00,860 And you were talking about how you've interviewed people and they just do short one word answers. 120 00:07:00,860 --> 00:07:03,540 It's just like, yes, no. 121 00:07:03,540 --> 00:07:08,880 As an interviewer, that's, that's really hard when they just do a quick answer. 122 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:13,880 Do you have any tips for how to get people to keep talking and when they just say yes, 123 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:15,840 no, maybe. 124 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:22,500 What are the best ways to, to at least maybe not fully avoid this, but, but be ready to 125 00:07:22,500 --> 00:07:27,020 deal with it is extend out the, the tech check. 126 00:07:27,020 --> 00:07:29,980 So you know, if you're doing an interview and you're doing it in the world of video, 127 00:07:29,980 --> 00:07:34,900 I hope that you are doing some kind of tech check where you're testing out people's audio 128 00:07:34,900 --> 00:07:39,160 and camera and all of the, you know, all the things that make the show look and sound its 129 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:40,420 best, right? 130 00:07:40,420 --> 00:07:47,540 But if you use some of that time to just chat with your guests casually before you go live 131 00:07:47,540 --> 00:07:53,260 or you start recording, you're going to understand pretty quickly if how nervous they are or 132 00:07:53,260 --> 00:07:57,380 if they're the kind of person that is very, there's just some people who are just very 133 00:07:57,380 --> 00:07:58,380 curt, right? 134 00:07:58,380 --> 00:07:59,380 They're like, the answer is yes. 135 00:07:59,380 --> 00:08:00,380 And that's, that's the answer. 136 00:08:00,380 --> 00:08:04,480 They're like, that's, and that's fine, but you will immediately identify that in that 137 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:06,000 time that you're chatting with them. 138 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:13,060 And so you could even say to them in, in that before recording time, Hey, you know, this 139 00:08:13,060 --> 00:08:14,060 is my style. 140 00:08:14,060 --> 00:08:15,860 I really want it to be much more of a conversation. 141 00:08:15,860 --> 00:08:18,920 Please feel free to just, you know, share stories and examples. 142 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:20,360 You can get a little off topic. 143 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,500 You can get, you know, you can dive deeper into these tangents. 144 00:08:23,500 --> 00:08:28,040 You know, I'm not, I'm not looking for any kind of one word, you know, official answers. 145 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,780 So you could call it out if you think that it might go that way. 146 00:08:31,780 --> 00:08:36,980 Or if you think it's being caused because they're nervous, having that conversation 147 00:08:36,980 --> 00:08:41,240 upfront and making it feel like it's very, it's a friendly, encouraging space is going 148 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,700 to help avoid that in the interview itself. 149 00:08:43,700 --> 00:08:48,700 But if it does happen, like it, I think we're also afraid of these moments of silence. 150 00:08:48,700 --> 00:08:53,740 And I actually think the moments of silence are not necessarily always a bad thing. 151 00:08:53,740 --> 00:08:57,900 So just, you know, accept that and be like, Oh great, maybe you could, I laugh. 152 00:08:57,900 --> 00:08:59,260 That's my kind of my defense mechanism. 153 00:08:59,260 --> 00:09:00,260 Right. 154 00:09:00,260 --> 00:09:02,500 So I might like laugh at that and be like, all right, great answer. 155 00:09:02,500 --> 00:09:06,920 Next question, you know, moved and moved to something else, but you roll with it as best 156 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:07,920 as you can. 157 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,740 And I think that the kind of friendly, friendly conversation before you start recording and 158 00:09:13,740 --> 00:09:17,200 setting expectations in that time is really important. 159 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,800 Like what you do with by sending the questions in advance, you can also do or follow up on 160 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:26,520 in that, you know, however much time you have before you actually begin the show. 161 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:28,640 Well, and I think having those questions also helps too. 162 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:32,560 Because again, if I get to the point where I don't really know what to ask next, I can 163 00:09:32,560 --> 00:09:36,560 always look up and say, Oh, that's one of the questions that I had thought about doing. 164 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,100 So let's go with that. 165 00:09:38,100 --> 00:09:42,680 And as far as the other things that I think too, is asking open ended questions. 166 00:09:42,680 --> 00:09:46,960 So questions that are hard that you really can't just do a yes or no question to. 167 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:51,660 Or if you are asking a yes or no question, and they do answer yes or no, you could ask 168 00:09:51,660 --> 00:09:52,660 them to expound on that. 169 00:09:52,660 --> 00:09:54,420 Say, tell me more about that. 170 00:09:54,420 --> 00:09:59,840 And that kind of forces them to, to expound on on their answer, if you will. 171 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:01,160 Yep, yep, absolutely. 172 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:07,360 So you'd mentioned that you do some preparation ahead of time for your interviews. 173 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:08,360 What then that's great. 174 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:09,360 I love that. 175 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:15,400 Because a lot of times that a lot of times if you don't have any preparation, yeah, that 176 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,360 that can be a problem. 177 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:18,680 Yes, yes. 178 00:10:18,680 --> 00:10:20,620 And Mr. Moderator says, Hi. 179 00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:30,800 So what are some things that you do to prepare not only for the topic, but also for the guest? 180 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:31,800 How do you prepare? 181 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,340 So I might actually be a little bit so I'm interested to hear how strange I am in my 182 00:10:36,340 --> 00:10:42,160 in my process, because I think that a lot of people will research the guest, right. 183 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:45,600 So it's, it's, you know, you'll go back to their website, if they have a podcast, you're 184 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,340 gonna listen to their a few episodes of their podcast, you're going to kind of get a good 185 00:10:48,340 --> 00:10:54,240 feel of, you know, who they are, how they sound, what their level of specialty is, for 186 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:56,540 most of what I'm doing. 187 00:10:56,540 --> 00:11:01,580 I'm actually thinking topic first, and then I'm going through kind of my mental Rolodex, 188 00:11:01,580 --> 00:11:09,140 if you know what that is, my mental list of like, who, who do I know, well, in my, you 189 00:11:09,140 --> 00:11:14,500 know, sphere of influence, that would be a really great person to talk about this topic. 190 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:20,180 So I'm thinking about it as topic first, and then like, what kind of answers I want to 191 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:22,500 be able to get to my audience. 192 00:11:22,500 --> 00:11:27,500 So in many cases, I know the guests really, really well, because I have I have selected 193 00:11:27,500 --> 00:11:30,980 them based on my experience with them. 194 00:11:30,980 --> 00:11:35,320 And and it's that experience with them that I know will help them answer those questions 195 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:36,460 for my audience. 196 00:11:36,460 --> 00:11:44,180 So I actually don't need to do a ton of research on them, because I know who they are. 197 00:11:44,180 --> 00:11:50,180 Like, for example, we have, we have Cassie Tucker coming on the flow next this upcoming 198 00:11:50,180 --> 00:11:51,180 Tuesday, right? 199 00:11:51,180 --> 00:11:54,380 I spent a bunch of time with her when I was at momentum. 200 00:11:54,380 --> 00:11:58,580 I bet, you know, I've been kind of listening and watching her shows and some of the content 201 00:11:58,580 --> 00:11:59,580 she creates. 202 00:11:59,580 --> 00:12:01,180 I follow her a number of the social platforms. 203 00:12:01,180 --> 00:12:05,100 So I know that she's like a marketing genius, right? 204 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:09,180 So, so if I'm thinking through and I'm like, Okay, well, I really want to do an episode 205 00:12:09,180 --> 00:12:11,820 on you know, how to best market your podcast. 206 00:12:11,820 --> 00:12:15,500 I'm going through my list of people and I'm like, well, I just hung out with Cassie at 207 00:12:15,500 --> 00:12:16,620 momentum. 208 00:12:16,620 --> 00:12:18,020 So we were like chatting face to face. 209 00:12:18,020 --> 00:12:23,640 I know her presentation was on, you know, how to be better marketers for like live shows 210 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:24,640 and for podcasts. 211 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,020 So I know that she'll be able to speak to that content. 212 00:12:27,020 --> 00:12:29,260 I've heard her speak to that content before. 213 00:12:29,260 --> 00:12:32,900 So it I don't need to go back and like, listen to some of those episodes or kind of refresh 214 00:12:32,900 --> 00:12:36,980 myself on that because I know that she's the best fit for that. 215 00:12:36,980 --> 00:12:42,380 I have a lot of luxury, like, in that I go out to a lot of events and I spend a lot of 216 00:12:42,380 --> 00:12:47,980 time with other creators and marketing professionals and people who are kind of in the top 10. 217 00:12:47,980 --> 00:12:49,540 topics that I care about. 218 00:12:49,540 --> 00:12:54,260 So it's it's pretty, I never have an issue finding a guest, it's pretty easy for me to 219 00:12:54,260 --> 00:12:57,580 go through my list of people and be like, Yep, that would be a good a good fit. 220 00:12:57,580 --> 00:12:59,180 And again, I have a relationship with them. 221 00:12:59,180 --> 00:13:02,260 So then it's also easier when it comes to the conversation piece. 222 00:13:02,260 --> 00:13:05,980 Well, and they're, they're more comfortable with you then because they have that conversation 223 00:13:05,980 --> 00:13:07,060 ahead of time. 224 00:13:07,060 --> 00:13:08,260 They know you. 225 00:13:08,260 --> 00:13:12,380 And that's where I think if you're doing an interview with a guest that you're not necessarily 226 00:13:12,380 --> 00:13:14,460 familiar with, do you especially do that? 227 00:13:14,460 --> 00:13:15,460 I mean, tech check? 228 00:13:15,460 --> 00:13:16,520 Yes, because for tech. 229 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:21,180 But during that time, you do what we did, we talk and kind of talk a little bit about 230 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:24,820 the questions we may talk about kind of just get a flow a sense for I keep using the word 231 00:13:24,820 --> 00:13:31,620 flow, which is your other podcast, but the idea of you know, how it's gonna flow and 232 00:13:31,620 --> 00:13:36,140 you get that kind of warmed up and conversation going ahead of time. 233 00:13:36,140 --> 00:13:38,360 So it's not just a cold come in, get going. 234 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,720 And then, yeah, you don't really know the person. 235 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:48,580 So I find for me, like, a lot of our guests on on the podcast are people that I do know, 236 00:13:48,580 --> 00:13:53,860 either me or my co host, and then or if I don't know, because we we get pitches all 237 00:13:53,860 --> 00:13:54,860 the time. 238 00:13:54,860 --> 00:13:57,620 I mean, I think anyone who does podcasts get pitches and half the time it's ones that I 239 00:13:57,620 --> 00:14:01,580 have to filter out because they're ones that they have not done their research on us. 240 00:14:01,580 --> 00:14:02,580 Yeah, exactly. 241 00:14:02,580 --> 00:14:05,100 I don't know what to know what the show is like. 242 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:09,860 But but I think for the other ones, I do do research on them. 243 00:14:09,860 --> 00:14:11,220 I'm going to their website. 244 00:14:11,220 --> 00:14:12,220 I'm listening. 245 00:14:12,220 --> 00:14:14,080 Like you said, I'm listening to podcasts that they're on. 246 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:18,920 I try to get some questions to that may not be ones that they've ever been asked before. 247 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,160 Because I think that that is memorable then. 248 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:22,160 And sometimes that's hard. 249 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:27,740 I mean, you have to do sometimes have to do a lot of a lot of research to get to get to 250 00:14:27,740 --> 00:14:31,440 the point where you're finding out that question that that they may not have been asked before. 251 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:38,080 But I find that that that helps cut to kind of make the flow go better with the show. 252 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,900 Because then you Yeah, you have that information of them. 253 00:14:40,900 --> 00:14:42,860 You're not just coming in cold. 254 00:14:42,860 --> 00:14:43,900 You know, yeah. 255 00:14:43,900 --> 00:14:48,880 So that's one of the things that helps me. 256 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:50,060 What I think you're good. 257 00:14:50,060 --> 00:14:51,060 I think you're right. 258 00:14:51,060 --> 00:14:53,060 I do want to say, and it's interesting. 259 00:14:53,060 --> 00:14:59,080 So Doc, who is my co host on the flow, and I work closely with him at Ecamm. 260 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:03,300 He always says that that he's always like on the kind of hunt for the question that 261 00:15:03,300 --> 00:15:04,980 they haven't been asked before. 262 00:15:04,980 --> 00:15:10,300 I like I almost I don't, I don't tend to worry as much about that. 263 00:15:10,300 --> 00:15:11,300 And maybe I'm wrong. 264 00:15:11,300 --> 00:15:14,340 Like, I would just like to admit this. 265 00:15:14,340 --> 00:15:21,460 Because I think that most of the people who I have on the shows that I'm doing are people 266 00:15:21,460 --> 00:15:29,500 who are audience, my audience doesn't know all that well in that particular context. 267 00:15:29,500 --> 00:15:35,300 So in my mind, I'm like, I less I don't mind as much if they are going to be answering 268 00:15:35,300 --> 00:15:39,180 the questions that maybe they have a lot of content on already on their own show or as 269 00:15:39,180 --> 00:15:44,780 other interview guests, because it feels pretty unlikely to me that my audience is, like, 270 00:15:44,780 --> 00:15:48,980 is a giant fan of theirs and is kind of following them in all these different places. 271 00:15:48,980 --> 00:15:52,500 Like I want I actually want the content that they're best at. 272 00:15:52,500 --> 00:15:57,940 I mean, I care less obviously about like, if it's, you know, they're, they're, I guess, 273 00:15:57,940 --> 00:16:00,980 their bio and stuff, stuff like that, where I can include that kind of in the marketing 274 00:16:00,980 --> 00:16:04,660 around it, but the the actual like answers that they're providing, but I could be wrong 275 00:16:04,660 --> 00:16:07,620 in that I just been thinking a lot about that, because Doc has been saying that a lot. 276 00:16:07,620 --> 00:16:11,860 And I'm like, I don't know how much that actually matters to me into what I'm doing. 277 00:16:11,860 --> 00:16:14,660 But it is a I mean, I think in certain instances, it makes a lot of sense. 278 00:16:14,660 --> 00:16:18,940 Well, and I think to your point, I think that if they're comfortable with the set of questions 279 00:16:18,940 --> 00:16:23,660 that they've been asked, maybe two or three times, they're gonna be better at, they're 280 00:16:23,660 --> 00:16:24,660 gonna nail that. 281 00:16:24,660 --> 00:16:29,580 They're gonna say it, they're gonna know it offhand, as opposed to have to think and maybe 282 00:16:29,580 --> 00:16:30,580 do a lot of dead spots. 283 00:16:30,580 --> 00:16:33,740 You know, I don't do a whole lot of editing for my podcast, right? 284 00:16:33,740 --> 00:16:38,380 I'm a whole big fan of the live to tape live, you know, doing live video interviews live, 285 00:16:38,380 --> 00:16:39,940 I do the live stuff. 286 00:16:39,940 --> 00:16:41,320 And so for me, I don't do editing. 287 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:46,740 And so for me, if if someone has to take 30 seconds to think of the answer to the question, 288 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:51,260 that's going to make the show sound less professional, unless, yeah, then I might have to go back 289 00:16:51,260 --> 00:16:54,020 and do more editing on to kind of cut those spaces down. 290 00:16:54,020 --> 00:16:59,180 And so I think you are right, if you're gonna be able to be able to get those questions, 291 00:16:59,180 --> 00:17:02,500 that people that they've already answered, and they know and can prepare for, they're 292 00:17:02,500 --> 00:17:03,500 going to be better. 293 00:17:03,500 --> 00:17:08,820 And it brings back to a point I heard you say, on the flow on the episode about interviewing, 294 00:17:08,820 --> 00:17:11,140 that you don't like the pop quiz questions. 295 00:17:11,140 --> 00:17:17,560 So I personally hate the questions because I'm, and I actually also don't like getting 296 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:23,380 questions in advance, like as an as an interview guest, because again, I am a dreadful over 297 00:17:23,380 --> 00:17:24,860 thinker. 298 00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:30,820 And so and I'm also really like, I care about the value that I'm bringing as an interview 299 00:17:30,820 --> 00:17:31,820 guest. 300 00:17:31,820 --> 00:17:36,860 And often I feel like, I feel like there's a gotcha about this doc and actually did and 301 00:17:36,860 --> 00:17:42,820 I did like a whole episode on this a couple years back on the flow, where, where he was, 302 00:17:42,820 --> 00:17:45,140 it was one of those like games where it was like, say the first thing that comes to your 303 00:17:45,140 --> 00:17:50,620 mind was a similar kind of notion as, as the pop questions and I, I just fully pay like 304 00:17:50,620 --> 00:17:55,740 my body just shuts down, which is why I won't, I won't ask you any questions that I could 305 00:17:55,740 --> 00:17:58,580 I'll just stare blankly. 306 00:17:58,580 --> 00:18:02,540 I mean, if it's, if it's like an easy one, like if it's, if it's like, you know, like 307 00:18:02,540 --> 00:18:05,280 red or blue or when I'm like, I can answer those kinds of things. 308 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:10,920 But I always feel like a lot of those questions are like, you know, what's your like top marketing 309 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:11,920 tip? 310 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,700 And I'm like, I don't like I wasn't prepared for that. 311 00:18:14,700 --> 00:18:16,460 Or I just can't, I don't know. 312 00:18:16,460 --> 00:18:20,280 And then I feel it's that panic in that moment of like, I don't want to sound stupid. 313 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,120 And I also don't want to give bad advice to someone. 314 00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:28,260 And I'm not capable of thinking that quickly on my toes and being able to provide value. 315 00:18:28,260 --> 00:18:30,740 And that's, that's so for me, that's one of the things I don't worry. 316 00:18:30,740 --> 00:18:31,740 I don't do that on this show. 317 00:18:31,740 --> 00:18:36,700 It's on one of my other ones that we do that, but, but, but I always try to make them feel 318 00:18:36,700 --> 00:18:37,700 comfortable too. 319 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:41,260 Before we start recording, I say, this is, you know, we are live streaming and, and I 320 00:18:41,260 --> 00:18:42,980 don't do a whole lot of editing. 321 00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:48,580 However, if you say something that you feel uncomfortable with or you don't, you know, 322 00:18:48,580 --> 00:18:50,500 later think, shoot, I shouldn't have said that. 323 00:18:50,500 --> 00:18:52,180 I say, let me know. 324 00:18:52,180 --> 00:18:53,520 And I will edit that out. 325 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:57,600 And so I try to make people feel a little bit more comfortable and less like stupid, 326 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,860 if you will, for having to stumble over their words and over their thoughts, because they 327 00:19:01,860 --> 00:19:03,260 are not familiar with it. 328 00:19:03,260 --> 00:19:06,360 But so what, how would, how would you handle that? 329 00:19:06,360 --> 00:19:11,960 So like, I would assume hopefully that if you were, I mean, as, as an interviewee, maybe 330 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:16,620 some of that, we can talk about some tips with that to somebody who's being interviewed. 331 00:19:16,620 --> 00:19:18,340 Would you go and listen to the show? 332 00:19:18,340 --> 00:19:21,820 So like if I invited you on my other podcast, would you listen to the show first so that 333 00:19:21,820 --> 00:19:25,420 you may know, Hey, we do these pop quiz questions every time. 334 00:19:25,420 --> 00:19:28,040 And would you feel comfortable telling the host? 335 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,120 I'm not so comfortable with that. 336 00:19:30,120 --> 00:19:32,000 Yeah, that's a good question. 337 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,120 Um, I'm a total people pleaser. 338 00:19:34,120 --> 00:19:37,240 So I probably wouldn't admit like that. 339 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,200 That was just between us publicly on my other show. 340 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,340 But I probably I would definitely if I if I'm able to make the time that week, you know, 341 00:19:45,340 --> 00:19:47,520 I definitely try to listen to at least part of the show. 342 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,200 So I have a good idea of, you know, of what the content is like and what to expect. 343 00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:56,120 I probably would just suck it up and do my best to work my way through it. 344 00:19:56,120 --> 00:20:00,040 I probably wouldn't admit or ask for a change. 345 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:05,960 And I will say that like, I have certainly been on a number of shows where people send 346 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:07,940 the questions in advance. 347 00:20:07,940 --> 00:20:13,920 And I what that does and why I don't like that particular aspect personally is that 348 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:20,340 it gives me a lot of time to go back into that place in my brain where I like think 349 00:20:20,340 --> 00:20:24,380 through the exact per perfect quote unquote answer. 350 00:20:24,380 --> 00:20:28,040 And I like write that down so that I like don't forget that answer. 351 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:33,760 And then when I'm actually in the interview, I'm like, never pleased with how I actually 352 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:37,640 phrased it because I want to just read the answer as I wrote it down. 353 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:45,700 So it just gives me that opportunity to overthink into, I think come across much more like rigid 354 00:20:45,700 --> 00:20:50,560 and less myself and probably not actually help the person on the other side. 355 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,640 It just gives me that opportunity to be a total perfectionist about it and really just 356 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,600 want to answer once I've given it all that thought. 357 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,600 But once I've given it all that thought, I've written out the perfect answer the way I want 358 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:04,400 it and I just want to read it. 359 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,400 Yeah. 360 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,800 No opportunity to do that. 361 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,860 And I like conversations that are more of interviews that are more of conversations. 362 00:21:10,860 --> 00:21:15,340 So again, if you have the questions written out, you find that like you said earlier, 363 00:21:15,340 --> 00:21:18,720 you end up having to force yourself into those questions. 364 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:19,720 Right. 365 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,720 Same issue on both sides of the coin. 366 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:21,720 Yeah. 367 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:22,720 Right. 368 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,120 You end up having to, it's less of a conversation because you're going, Oh, well, I need to 369 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,480 get this and this and this. 370 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,320 And it may not flow. 371 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,520 And that's going to sound weird to the people listening because it's going to sound like 372 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:37,900 you had an agenda that you had to get out and it took you, you may have taken where 373 00:21:37,900 --> 00:21:39,720 it didn't even need to go. 374 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:44,960 I think it's important to you to listen to what your interviewer or interviewee is saying 375 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:45,960 too. 376 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:50,220 So you ask a question as an interviewer, it's important to listen and not necessarily be 377 00:21:50,220 --> 00:21:53,140 thinking of what our next question is going to be. 378 00:21:53,140 --> 00:21:59,440 And so that's where having some prepared questions can help because if you get to the point where 379 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,920 because you're listening to the conversation because you're a good listener, you may not 380 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:05,340 have that next question in your mind. 381 00:22:05,340 --> 00:22:09,280 So it may be easy to go, Oh, I'm a look at the next question and say it. 382 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:17,040 But yeah, I think it's a conversation is better to go to better to just be able to have that 383 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:18,040 conversation. 384 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,520 As Paul says, the answers can come across as scripted then too. 385 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,800 In my case, they literally are. 386 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:32,920 I should say actually on that note, you just reminded me of, I guess, like an extension 387 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:36,160 of my previous answer. 388 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:37,960 So I do a few different shows. 389 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:45,640 I do a show called Meet the Ecamm Fam, which Andy has been on, where I interview customers 390 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:50,200 from all different kinds of backgrounds and at all different skill sets and brand new 391 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,440 customers and people who have been with the brand for a long time. 392 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:58,120 And that show is the opposite of everything I said previously, where I actually have no 393 00:22:58,120 --> 00:23:01,860 control over who's signing up for it because it's open and available to anyone. 394 00:23:01,860 --> 00:23:03,360 Anyone can sign up for it. 395 00:23:03,360 --> 00:23:12,220 And what I've done there to give myself some more time back and to make it an easier experience 396 00:23:12,220 --> 00:23:18,760 as an interviewer is I have them fill out a pretty detailed, I guess not super detailed, 397 00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:26,140 but a detailed questionnaire where I directly ask people, what do you want to talk about 398 00:23:26,140 --> 00:23:28,180 in this show? 399 00:23:28,180 --> 00:23:29,920 What are the things that are important to you? 400 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,140 And I always read through that carefully and reference that. 401 00:23:33,140 --> 00:23:40,180 And so from that perspective, it's less about who they are as an expert and more about what 402 00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:42,940 like, why did they want to come on as a guest? 403 00:23:42,940 --> 00:23:44,200 Why did they decide to do this? 404 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,380 And what is it that they want to share? 405 00:23:46,380 --> 00:23:49,240 And how can I facilitate that conversation? 406 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:55,480 So it's a different level of research where it actually doesn't matter as much, at least 407 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,160 I don't think, going back and researching them inside and out. 408 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:05,340 I think it actually matters more on really reading through and understanding what the 409 00:24:05,340 --> 00:24:08,960 intention was behind why they want to be on the show and what it is that's important to 410 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:12,420 them that they would like to share and to get out. 411 00:24:12,420 --> 00:24:16,520 And if I can get to that, those are the episodes that are the best and the ones that I want 412 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,340 to repurpose and they make, I think the most effective kind of case studies of how people 413 00:24:21,340 --> 00:24:23,720 are using the software and what's really valuable to them. 414 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,120 So that's a different kind of research. 415 00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:31,040 But again, it saves me a bunch of time, that upfront step of asking for that information 416 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,600 saves me a ton of research time where I would have to be like, you know, digging through 417 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:41,200 a whole bunch of stuff to figure out like, why and you know, and what makes them interesting 418 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,440 or special or unique to be able to share their story with the rest of our audience. 419 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:51,180 Well, and I think that that gives you the opportunity because that is a different style, 420 00:24:51,180 --> 00:24:54,640 if you will, to most shows or most shows you're saying this is the topic we're going to talk 421 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:55,960 about. 422 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,120 This person knows a lot about the topics you're focused a lot on the topic. 423 00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,040 Whereas meet the cam fam, it really is like you're just meeting them. 424 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:04,500 So it's like you're sitting down for coffee. 425 00:25:04,500 --> 00:25:06,440 And they're saying, Hey, this is what I'm passionate about. 426 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:12,160 And you just digging in more about more digging in and trying to find more information about 427 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,200 that person to get to know them better. 428 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,120 And so yeah, that's a that's a that's a good point there. 429 00:25:17,120 --> 00:25:23,240 So what happens if you have like blunders like where, where, like, how would you if 430 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:28,040 you if you stumble on your question, or you can't think of a question or what would you 431 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:32,960 have what some advice be that you can give for that where you just kind of as an interviewer 432 00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:39,680 freeze or say something stupid or like, how do you handle that? 433 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,540 That's a really, really, it's a great question. 434 00:25:42,540 --> 00:25:48,020 And it's a really complicated answer, because the unfortunate reality is that there, you're 435 00:25:48,020 --> 00:25:49,800 just going to have to survive it. 436 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:54,080 And the only way that you get better at that and better at dealing with it and better at 437 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,060 not doing it is by practicing. 438 00:25:56,060 --> 00:26:05,140 And so I guess I go back to my first answer, which is like, you have full control over, 439 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:10,320 you know, over what your content is over how you present yourself over the guests that 440 00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:11,480 you bring on. 441 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,440 And so get like, give yourself a break, like set yourself up for success for the first 442 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:22,560 20 episodes, however many episodes bring on people, you know, like and trust people that 443 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,600 are going to cover, you know, cover you if you have moments that where you feel nervous 444 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,880 or you have, you know, you have things that go dreadfully wrong at like, and also, I I've 445 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:40,480 gotten really confident and incapable because I also have you mentioned Paul earlier, right? 446 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,960 Like I have I have friends and contacts and people who are also in the chat. 447 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:50,160 So you know, they're the first people that will point out like, you know, hey, there's 448 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:51,620 an audio problem or there. 449 00:26:51,620 --> 00:26:57,960 So having people around you that can highlight what's going wrong and help you to solve it 450 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:03,360 quickly is going to make you feel more comfortable going through it and staying calm is going 451 00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:07,240 to help you get better at figuring out the ways to troubleshoot and to solve it. 452 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:12,800 There's no way to practice it, there's no way to fake it, you've just kind of got to 453 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,840 experience it. 454 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:19,060 So in order to experience it, put put safe people around you so that you're experiencing 455 00:27:19,060 --> 00:27:23,200 it not alone and you're experiencing it where you can get immediate help and it won't feel 456 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,400 as awful, right? 457 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:30,040 Like if you have like a really, I don't like a celebrity or someone that's like a really 458 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:34,440 big deal in the industry that you're in, you know, coming on to your show, like, I would 459 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:38,840 hope that you have done a ton of episodes and practice work beforehand with people that 460 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,720 you trust, so that you will have a level of confidence and you'll know what to do if 461 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:50,400 something goes wrong on the one that really, really gets you the most nervous or feels 462 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:51,960 the biggest to you. 463 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,160 And I think that happens. 464 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:59,280 I've been podcasting since 2007 and there are still people that I have on that make 465 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:05,640 me nervous, especially if they're more well-known people because it feels, it shouldn't, but 466 00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:07,040 it feels bigger to me. 467 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,960 It really shouldn't. 468 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,040 It shouldn't feel any different, but it does. 469 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:12,040 Yeah, it does though. 470 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,120 Yeah, I hear you. 471 00:28:13,120 --> 00:28:18,440 And I like your idea of practicing with people and you can do that several different ways. 472 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,000 You can just record, right? 473 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,300 Like beforehand, we, you know, we are live streaming this episode, but you don't have 474 00:28:23,300 --> 00:28:27,880 to, you can just record and get used to asking the questions. 475 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,160 If you want it to, you could go. 476 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:34,480 I mean, everybody who has a Google account has a YouTube account too, that they can stream 477 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,920 to if they, that they want to, and doesn't have to be your show channel. 478 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:45,040 It can be just your personal channel and get some time in with the live streaming to take 479 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:46,040 it. 480 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,720 So you get comfortable with the idea that this is live and there may be people watching 481 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,880 because that, that feels different too, right? 482 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,460 It does when you're live, it feels different. 483 00:28:53,460 --> 00:28:59,600 So do you, do you have, there's no way to, there's no way to like, unfortunately there's 484 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:03,640 no way to, to practice without doing it. 485 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:08,300 Like I was having a conversation yesterday with, with a friend of mine who is, has been 486 00:29:08,300 --> 00:29:12,120 podcasting for a little bit and is seeing a ton of success. 487 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:17,360 And this was her first foray into like, maybe I could live stream this, this interview episode 488 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,320 as part of my podcast is kind of a special event. 489 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,020 And she was, is and was absolutely incredible because I basically said to her, she was like, 490 00:29:25,020 --> 00:29:26,020 what advice do you have for me? 491 00:29:26,020 --> 00:29:30,200 And I was like, I think you need to go live like before your interview later and you need 492 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,240 to just go like do it, do a live tech check. 493 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,060 And I'm like, you can do it as a recorded tech check. 494 00:29:36,060 --> 00:29:40,520 You can do it as, you know, alive only to unlisted or what have you. 495 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:45,560 But if you want to actually have the full experience, including the feelings and nerves 496 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,220 that you're going to have, you should just go live and just go on and be like, Hey, I'm 497 00:29:49,220 --> 00:29:50,840 testing all this out. 498 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:52,460 Likely a few things are going to go wrong. 499 00:29:52,460 --> 00:29:56,520 Like help me test, drop comments and drop, you know, be just really honest about it. 500 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,640 And I was blown away because most people and probably including myself even a few years 501 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,880 back would have been like, I'm not going to do that. 502 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,280 Like I'm going to do great idea, Katie. 503 00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,400 I'm going to, you know, I'm going to take that and then I'm going to just record a video 504 00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,180 and make sure everything sounds great. 505 00:30:10,180 --> 00:30:11,180 But she did. 506 00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:16,280 She, she went and she tested and she caught a few issues and like, but it gave her those, 507 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,800 those reps in the experience that she was actually trying to have. 508 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:24,240 So if you are live streaming, you need to practice by live streaming. 509 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880 If you are interviewing, you have to practice by interviewing. 510 00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:31,760 You have to put yourself into that situation because otherwise you can have a really flawless 511 00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:36,360 limited tech check and the issue that you have is like internet connectivity or you 512 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,040 know, or how a guest joins or a comment that doesn't show up correctly or whatever else 513 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,120 that you didn't get to practice because you didn't practice in the way you're actually 514 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,240 going to be creating the content. 515 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:51,040 Well, and I, I find too that people like to see behind the scenes too. 516 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:52,040 Right. 517 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:57,200 And so even if you're doing that on your show channel, whatever, they like seeing that being 518 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:58,200 real. 519 00:30:58,200 --> 00:30:59,280 No one's going to hate you for it. 520 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,040 Like if you come on and you're like, I'm just testing nothing to see here. 521 00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,960 Like they either hang out or they don't. 522 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,960 Right. 523 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,120 And it's not going to make your show less professional. 524 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:08,120 Right. 525 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,540 They like to see that they like to know that people are real people. 526 00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:13,760 And so yeah, I 100% agree. 527 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:14,760 Do it. 528 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:15,760 Test it live. 529 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:20,400 So now, yeah, now you've, you've done lots and lots and lots of interviews. 530 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,000 Do you have any, any tips or tricks that I've not brought up yet? 531 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,400 Oh my gosh. 532 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,360 See, these are one of these questions where I'm like going through my head to make sure 533 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,400 I'm having a ton of value. 534 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:38,120 I mean, I, I think again, like if you are going to be an interviewer that you need to 535 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,040 be an interviewee first. 536 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:45,560 So you know, go, go and experience what that's like to be on the other side and then take 537 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:52,320 all of that information and use it to build out a really like seamless experience for 538 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:59,320 your guests because if it's not, it makes the entire experience worse for you and for 539 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:00,320 your viewers. 540 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,320 Right. 541 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:07,540 So I've been like lucky enough to, to, to be a guest on a number of different kinds 542 00:32:07,540 --> 00:32:08,540 of shows. 543 00:32:08,540 --> 00:32:12,560 I think I say yes to almost every single one that I get, which I'm proud of. 544 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,780 And I will, I don't know, of course, but like I'm proud of and I will, I will hold onto 545 00:32:16,780 --> 00:32:21,940 that because I think sometimes we're like, oh, you know, well like I only, I'm very important 546 00:32:21,940 --> 00:32:25,540 and very busy and I only have time to do like, you know, these shows that are like at this 547 00:32:25,540 --> 00:32:31,660 level or above, but you will learn from every style of show and every level of show and 548 00:32:31,660 --> 00:32:34,800 people who are, you know, have a really small audience and people who have a really big 549 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:40,660 audience and you'll be able to pull all of those things that you liked into an experience 550 00:32:40,660 --> 00:32:45,060 that makes your show and your process special and a great experience. 551 00:32:45,060 --> 00:32:47,420 So like shout out to Kirk Nugent. 552 00:32:47,420 --> 00:32:52,100 I think I use him as an example every time we talk about interviewing, but he has like 553 00:32:52,100 --> 00:32:55,660 a flaw in my mind, flawless guest experience. 554 00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:59,020 Like he has like a really great automated process. 555 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,340 He's very clear with like, he's super clear with everything. 556 00:33:02,340 --> 00:33:06,820 Like he tells you in advance, like exactly how long the episode is going to be, what 557 00:33:06,820 --> 00:33:11,640 the segments are like, what the format is going to be, what he's expecting to get out 558 00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:15,500 of it, what his viewers are expecting to get out of it, how you join, when the tech check 559 00:33:15,500 --> 00:33:20,220 is like he walks you through that process, but in a way that doesn't feel too big or 560 00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:21,780 too overwhelming. 561 00:33:21,780 --> 00:33:26,360 Like it's just this really nice sequence of like, Hey, you know, here's what's to, what, 562 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,760 what's to, what you can expect as you go through this experience. 563 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,420 And what I really loved the most about all of it is he's probably one of the only people 564 00:33:34,420 --> 00:33:37,980 that tells you exactly the amount of time and he sticks to it. 565 00:33:37,980 --> 00:33:42,520 And so for me, like when I joined his show and his, the shows that I've been on for him 566 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,200 in the past, I've been in the evenings, I have little kids and like my, I'm pretty like 567 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,700 that evening is tend to, tends to be the time where like I don't do a lot of stuff because 568 00:33:50,700 --> 00:33:56,680 I, I want that time to myself and, but he's like, Hey, you're going to join at like 7 569 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:57,680 PM. 570 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,780 We're going to go until 735 PM and then we're going to do like 10 minutes of questions and 571 00:34:02,780 --> 00:34:03,780 then you're gone. 572 00:34:03,780 --> 00:34:05,280 Like I do not expect you to stay. 573 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,060 You peace out and I continue on. 574 00:34:07,060 --> 00:34:11,860 And I love that because I know like this is the amount of time I have to block off versus 575 00:34:11,860 --> 00:34:15,480 some other ones where it's like, I assume I'm going to be on for an hour because I always 576 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:16,880 seem to be on for an hour. 577 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,700 And like there's also moments as a guest where like it, and I'm bad at even at doing this 578 00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:25,520 as an interviewer, but like where the show ends and you're like, do I stay on a week 579 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:26,520 chat? 580 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:27,520 Do I like just like hang up? 581 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,520 Do I like, you don't really know what you're supposed to do and you don't want to offend 582 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:31,520 anyone. 583 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,320 So he's clear with all of that, which I think is great. 584 00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,440 I think that's a great, a great thing to keep in mind because I think I forget that too, 585 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:41,580 especially in same all the time where we have, we have people who, 586 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:46,280 like, maybe not listening to the show, so they don't know what exactly to expect. 587 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:51,880 And so I think that's, that's one of those things where if you know, as I guess how long 588 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:57,840 to be there and it's interesting because I think on my other show we do some in person 589 00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,940 interviews and we do some remote. 590 00:34:59,940 --> 00:35:06,700 And so that experience is different too, because like you said, and I found E cam does the 591 00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:07,700 nice fade out. 592 00:35:07,700 --> 00:35:11,200 I mean, I know you can turn that off to fade, fade to black when you stop, but we've had 593 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,480 people that hang up as soon as that happens. 594 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,520 And it's like, no, I wanted to like, just thank you real quickly for the show. 595 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:21,840 So we got to the point where we said, once this is done, like we do it beforehand, but 596 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:26,160 like once this is done and we quit the show, just stay on for just a few seconds. 597 00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:27,160 Yeah. 598 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,180 Just hang out and then we'll let you go. 599 00:35:29,180 --> 00:35:33,080 But yeah, I, I, yeah, those are really, really great tips. 600 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,840 Any other tips that you can give us quickly? 601 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:36,840 Yeah. 602 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:41,920 I just, I mean, again, I'm sort of on this, if you've, if you've seen me or hang out with 603 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:46,000 me in any of my other content, I'm on this like journey for lack of a better word this 604 00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:53,760 year of trying really hard to simplify things and to just get a little bit better every 605 00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:54,760 single time. 606 00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:58,920 And so I, you know, I think when it comes to, to guess stuff again, like you're going 607 00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:02,880 to learn something every single time you do it. 608 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,280 So just, you know, like take a note. 609 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,240 And if you're like me and you overcomplicate things, like can I make, just be always asking 610 00:36:09,240 --> 00:36:12,960 yourself like, and ask your, ask your guests on the other side of the interview, if you 611 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:16,120 can, if they stick around and you're able to hang out with them, like, you know, how 612 00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,360 could I have made this experience better? 613 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:22,960 You know, what is, what is one thing that you like loved about being on this interview? 614 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,880 How is the, you know, how was the process like just be constantly kind of getting that 615 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,600 feedback and see if you can make tweaks to make the experience easier on yourself, maybe 616 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:35,320 a little bit more simplified and a better overall experience for your guests. 617 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:40,120 So and, you know, and make, try to figure out like what are those different changes 618 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:41,200 that you can make? 619 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,400 Like when we're doing right now is, so I'm doing a show survey for Ecamm to figure out 620 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:50,200 like which of our shows, you know, how are they all performing? 621 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,200 How do people like them? 622 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,460 What do they like or not like about each of the shows? 623 00:36:53,460 --> 00:37:00,320 And then at the same time, Paul is helping me build out better calendars because I like 624 00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,520 that's been a huge pain point for us this year is that we have like a lot of shows and 625 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,720 we have different ways people can sign up and I feel like I'm constantly losing the 626 00:37:07,720 --> 00:37:11,560 information or I'm not asking the right questions or I like I haven't figured out or unlock 627 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:13,780 that that workflow. 628 00:37:13,780 --> 00:37:20,320 So it's, again, I think there's just because you're in a particular format or you've, you've 629 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,260 convinced yourself that there's a particular way you should be doing things does not mean 630 00:37:23,260 --> 00:37:25,080 you can't make a change. 631 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,180 So go and be a guest on other people's shows. 632 00:37:28,180 --> 00:37:31,320 Ask your guests what their experience is like on your show and figure out how you can continue 633 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:37,000 and continually make it a little bit better or make it easier and save yourself time and 634 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000 hassle. 635 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:39,700 So I that's been my big thing. 636 00:37:39,700 --> 00:37:42,900 And I think that applies obviously to anything but certainly in the world of interviewing. 637 00:37:42,900 --> 00:37:43,900 Awesome. 638 00:37:43,900 --> 00:37:46,660 Well, Katie, I want to thank you so much for being on the show. 639 00:37:46,660 --> 00:37:47,660 I really appreciate it. 640 00:37:47,660 --> 00:37:49,660 I realize I didn't tell you how long to expect. 641 00:37:49,660 --> 00:37:51,660 No, no, I wasn't meaning to call you out. 642 00:37:51,660 --> 00:37:52,660 You're good. 643 00:37:52,660 --> 00:37:54,420 I block off an hour for all of these things. 644 00:37:54,420 --> 00:37:56,940 So yeah, thank you guys so much. 645 00:37:56,940 --> 00:38:02,780 If you have any podcasting questions, feel free to go to podcastanswers.com/contact. 646 00:38:02,780 --> 00:38:06,500 I'd love to work with new podcasters, getting them set up. 647 00:38:06,500 --> 00:38:08,700 Thanks again, Katie for being on the show. 648 00:38:08,700 --> 00:38:09,700 My pleasure. 649 00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:10,700 See you next time.