Hey, everybody. Welcome back to another episode of Milwaukee Mafia. I'm Eric Walterkens. I'm Gavin Schmitt. Gavin, Got anything exciting for us today? Before we start, I have to let people know. So today's episode, the basis of this episode was 1400 pages of a police record. Wow. And those 1400 pages were turned into a chapter in the Milwaukee Mafia book, which, when printed out on eight by eleven pages, was like 37, 38 pages long. And I'm trying to get the notes down to about four pages. Okay. So I shrunk it from 1400 to 37 to fit it in the book. And to go from the book to today, I had to go from 37 down to four. So this is 1400 pages in four pages. So just a heads up that this is extremely condensed. And if people are interested in this story, definitely pick up the book because there's a lot more that I won't be able to do for time. All right, well, take her away. Okay. So we're going to talk about a man named John DiTrapani. And if you remember last time we talked about Blackie Sullivan, and John DiTrapani came up. Okay. That's why I recognize the name. Yeah. He came up as a suspect in one of the many shootings of Blackie Sullivan. So we'll assume that he probably was involved. So John was born in Milwaukee. His father worked as a Mason with marble. So he's a marble Mason, which is pretty fancy, I guess, but he died prematurely. He died when John, his son, was only six years old. So John was raised by his mother and his sisters, but he had extended cousins that kind of helped the family out. He had an uncle and this and that, and one of his cousins, a girl, married into the Gardetto baking family. So they did all right. I don't know if that's a thing outside of Wisconsin. I assume it is, but Gardetto is like a little baked snack. Yeah. I wouldn't even know how to describe them, but I'm pretty sure they're everywhere. Okay. Like ride chips and stuff. I didn't even know they were actually from Wisconsin. They are, yeah. The Gardetto family is from Milwaukee. Very cool. I guess if people didn't know that now, you know, Gardetto is a Wisconsin snack. Okay. So this is the environment that John is growing up in. Also important to note, his godfather. His literal godfather was Sam Ferrara, who was a Milwaukee mob boss. He already turned to crime by his teenage years. He got arrested with his step cousin for rape. He was 15 years old. They got sent to a detention home. Within two years, he was arrested twice more for theft and suspicion of burglary. In both cases, he was released without charge, and he was actually never arrested again. Oh, weird. So he learned his lesson as a kid. He found out that either it's better to not get caught or not break the law. Not sure which, but one of the two. He likes women. That's something that is going to be really apparent. Early on, he starts dating a woman named Mary. They see each other for a while, almost two years. They're going to bowling tournaments for fun because this is what you do in Milwaukee. You go to bowling tournaments. One day, Mary's in the hospital and she needs a blood transfusion. So she has her brother called John's house. And guess what? John's wife answers. But John convinced her that, don't worry, we're going through a divorce. And she stayed with him another two years. He gets into the Tavern business in the 1940s, he opens up what were then called super bars. He opens up Johnny's Roundup. He gets the help of other businessmen in the area. But the businessman kind of shrugged him off when they started hearing rumors that he's stocking his bar with hijacked whiskey, that he's not paying the full regular price you're supposed to pay. He did buy some whiskey and some liquor from an actual distributor, a man named Babe Shaw. They became good friends. They would hang around at coffee shops late at night. They traveled to Chicago and New York. Their wives were friends with each other. But eventually their friendship fell apart because John still owed $7,000 on a liquor bill, which adjusted for inflation, is $68,000 today. Wow, $68,000 liquor bill. Yeah. He did end up paying the money back, but apparently the guy was pretty bitter about it and didn't want to be friends anymore. During World War II, he started dating some other ladies, another lady named Mary. The second Mary, who is a model for the Boston Store. Another Boston Store employee named Pat. They go out on various dates, and there's actually a third lady named Mary that he dates and becomes very possessive of, apparently to the point where she's not even supposed to be going out with her female friends anymore. The woman who he's most known to be attached to, besides his wife, is a lady named Terry. He started dating Terry in 1944. He would end up dating her for ten years. They would meet at the Tavern of Jack Enea 15 or 25 times a year. Jack Enea is another mobster. And spoiler alert, next episode, he dies. Okay. We've had him in previous episodes. He's been mentioned. He's been mentioned. That name also rings a bell for me. Yeah. Terry's husband, Robert, files for divorce because his wife is dating a married man. He doesn't like that. He says he's not upset about it. He just doesn't want to be married to her if she's going to be doing that. How noble of him. Yeah. So apparently they weren't very good about protecting themselves because we know that Terry had a number of abortions over the years. And on one occasion actually gave birth to John's baby. This is quite the guy. So this whole time while he's dating all these other women, he's still married to this original woman? Yes. He's married to his wife all the way up to the end, but he's just constantly dating somebody else? Essentially, yes. And the thing is, it's never made clear if his wife knows. But if his wife doesn't know, it's because everybody must go out of their way not to tell her, because all of his friends know. Like, he doesn't hide it. He takes these women out to restaurants and does this and that with them. And all his friends know a friend of his wife's brother knows. So his brother in law probably knows. So if the wife doesn't know, they did a darn good job keeping a secret because he's not just too many people know for her not to know, essentially. Right. So, yeah, they would go out to various restaurants and. Yeah. And everybody would see them holding hands and everything else. They were not being sneaky. You get to know some of the other mob guys in town. I don't know how early John himself is in the mob, but he definitely is hanging around these characters. He gets to know Felix Alderisio, known as Milwaukee Phil, who's a top guy in Chicago. Later, the actual boss in Chicago. His best friend is Frank LaGalbo, who's come up in this podcast 100 times at this point. So they're good buddies. He's very connected. Very connected. There's rumors of him supplying hijack whiskey to other bars around the area, even as far as Prairie du Chien, which is nowhere near Milwaukee. So apparently he's not just getting questionable liquor for his own bar, but he's then in return selling it to others. The end of the 1940s, John DiTrapani is pointed out as one of the people who shot Blackie Sullivan, as we talked about last time. So allegedly, they were going to go and buy a nightclub together. Things fell through, and then he was paid possibly $10,000 to shoot Blackie Sullivan. If that's true, nobody was actually arrested, so who knows? But that was what was alleged. So Blackie Sullivan doesn't like him very much. Can I take you a second back here? Yeah. I have a curious question. You talked about that he's selling this stolen liquor, essentially from all around the state. Yes. Now this is when prohibition is over. It's over. Okay. Do you have any idea how long the black market liquor market went on after Prohibition ended? Because, I mean, when did Prohibition end? 1933? 1933. So seven years later. And it's still common to… Is there a black market booze market? Now was this something that the mob just always did, stealing the booze? Okay, well, if you own a bar and one of your biggest expenses is booze, it makes sense to steal the booze. If the booze falls off the back of a truck and you get it for very cheap. Why would you? very true. It just seemed weird to me that this late in the game that they were still playing, you don't stop stealing something just because it's legal. Yeah. A popular restaurant, the Holiday House, is burglarized. In January 1953. $15,340 is taken from a safe. The police believe that two burglars broke in by jumping from the roof of another building onto a second floor door like a balcony, and broke in that way. That's ballsy. The FBI believed that the safe was stolen because the mob owed $25,000 to Chicago to pay for a truckload of hot meat that they messed up. So this goes back to the hot Meat episode. I don't know, again, if this is true, but they think that this money was to pay off this botched hijacking of hot meat. The co owner of the Holiday House, John Volpe, thought that John DiTrapani was in the Mafia, which he was. So they asked him, do you know who did the job? DiTrapani is like, I don't know anything about it, but if you need any help, let me know. DiTrapani was a big time boxing fan. He would regularly travel to Chicago to see Rocky Marciano fight, along with a number of other big names who, if you're not into boxing, aren't going to mean anything to you. But he was always going to see boxing in Chicago, and he would take along people. He would take John Volpe from the Holiday House. He would take Frank LaGalbo. So he was buddies with these guys. Phone records at his Tavern show that he was in regular contact with Felix Alderisio in Chicago, a burlesque club owned by the Mafia in Chicago called the Silver Frolics. And a number of local gamblers, which isn't surprising. He maintained connections to the local Teamsters Union. He was friends with the business agent for the Teamsters. So that's another connection. John knows everybody. What is a business agent for Teamsters? I don't know. You're calling me out on that? It's a good question. The head of the Union, the position is called Secretary Treasurer. You would think it would be called President, but the actual head of the Union is the Secretary Treasurer. The business agent? I'm not entirely sure, but they're kind of like the front person, like the person that you would talk to. But I don't know what they actually do as a job, if they're like a recruiter or if they deal with outside, if they're the actual negotiator between businesses. I don't know. Okay. And I should know that answer, because understanding how unions work is sort of key to some of this stuff. So I should know that answer, but I don't. Okay. But the point being, a business agent is an important role in a Union. Yeah. He has investments in oil wells in Denver. So at one point he's going out there. He's getting people to invest. John Volpe, again from the Holiday house, invests over $3,000 in an oil deal and gets nothing back. When asked about it, Volpe says, well, he's in the Mafia, for all I know. He just pocketed. He wasn't even terribly upset about it. That's great. That's kind of the risk you take when you invest in something with the Mafia. Yes. On one occasion, John DiTrapani carried a package, and a person inside the bar asked if he was carrying his laundry. He handed the package to the man and said, I bet this is the first time you've ever had $20,000 in your hands. DiTrapani then took the package back and handed it off to his bookkeeper. It actually was true that it was a package of $20,000. This was a regular thing he would do is he would go and get large sums of cash. Because I guess I don't think you can do this anymore. I'm pretty sure you can't. But apparently it used to be common for people to come in with their paychecks and they cashed their paychecks at the bar so they would sign their paychecks over to him, and then he would pay them the cash. So it wasn't like he was carrying around huge chunks of money all the time. He would just have it ready for payday. Why would a buyer want to do that? Just so that then the person would sit there, I guess, and spend all their booze. That's the only thing I can imagine. I don't know, because you're not really making any money off of that, other than the fact that if someone's cashing their check, then they've got money to buy it. And that's the only thing I can come up with. And that's a huge risk, too. It's a huge risk. Bouncing again, this is the 50s. That's a crazy amount of money. Yeah. A check with his bank account showed that that was pretty common, that he would take up this large amount of money. And then a day or two later, he would deposit all the payroll checks and it would kind of balance out. His personal account wasn't anything like that. It was rarely above or below $1,200. So it's just a business account. That was crazy like that. Whatever money he personally had was not in the bank. All right, we're going to jump ahead a little bit to a key day, which is why I'm using this specific date. March 17, 1954. John DiTrapani wakes up at the crack of noon. The crack of noon. He is 40 years old. He goes to a store. He's hanging out there with one of his oil well investment buddies. And while there, he runs into an off duty police officer. He asked the off duty police officer to look up a license plate number for him. The officer says, we can't really do that, and then jokingly asks, Is this a license plate from one of your girlfriends?'' And John replies, you know how much trouble those girls are, so even the off-duty police knows what kind of slime ball he is. Yeah. John calls his wife that evening at 05:00. She tells him that she and their daughter Catherine are going to have dinner at Chico's Barbecue, which is Frank LaGalbo's restaurant. John said, Sounds great. I'll meet you there. The women arrive at 650 and John's already there having dinner with Frank LaGalbo and his brother Ross. John says, I already ate. Not that hungry, but whatever you guys order, I'm happy to pay. John leaves at 07:30 p.m.. After dinner, the ladies go home. John's already there watching boxing on TV with his other daughter, Rosalind. His wife leaves at 08:00 P.m. To go visit friends. John makes a phone call to an unknown person at 10:00 P.m.. And then leaves the apartment. He was next seen an hour later at the Holiday House restaurant, sitting alone. He leaves at 11:45 P.m. This is the last time he is seen by anybody. I could tell by the fact that you had exact times everything was happening. I'm like, oh, somebody's about to get dead. Yeah, if someone's about to get dead, not until I get to the next page. But yes, if someone's going to get dead here. Now, a very strange thing in the Holiday House on this evening, while he's sitting there alone, there's actually a number of people in the Holiday House that are very unusual characters, and I will tell you who they are. Okay, first of all, Peter Granata, a funeral director and former US representative, and James Adduci, who was a state Senator from Chicago who had recently been indicted for receiving kickbacks from state contracts. He was a known friend of various Chicago mobsters. He knew those people, okay? And a man named Ned Bakes. Ned Bakes at the time was wanted because he was hiding a fugitive from the FBI. He was also a partner of known mobster James Mirro, whose nickname was Cowboy. Bakes was not his real name, but that's what everybody knew him as because his real name was Ignatius Spacchesi, which is not nearly as easy to say. He went by Ned Bakes. Bakes would later serve time in prison for tax evasion and ultimately be murdered. But we're not going to talk about that. Okay? Dom Volpe, no relation to John Volpe. The restaurant owner was the business manager of the Mafia linked premium beer sales of Chicago. The men stayed at the Holiday House until 145 in the morning, where they continued the night at other places around the area, including the LaToscaCafe, which they stayed at until 04:00 a.m. LaTosca will come up again in a moment. Okay, so these people that you just mentioned that were there, they're there with him, they're there in the restaurant at the same time. Okay. Gets weirder. Also at the same time as all these guys is Emil Wanatka. If I'm saying that wrong, sorry. Emil Wanatka was the owner of the Little Bohemia Lodge, which is famous because it's where John Dillinger had a shootout with the FBI. Wow. Wanatka was also a suspect in a murder in Kenosha. So totally strange that all these characters would be here in the same evening. Also, a woman on site was arrested for prostitution that night. Not surprising there. Not surprising. Not connected to these guys. But this also happened to happen that evening. Fast forward a couple of hours. John DiTrapani’s bullet riddled body is found at 03:42, a.m. Slumped behind the wheel of his Cadillac near the LaTosca Cafe. Patrolman took fingerprints and photos of the car, and the time of death was actually estimated to be shortly after midnight. So if that's accurate, he was sitting dead in his car for over 3 hours before anyone noticed the body was identified at the scene by one of his friends who happened to be at the La Tosca that night. Owner of the LaTosca was Carlo DiMaggio, who came up many episodes ago because him and his brother were suspected of stabbing a guy to death. A lot of bad people involved in it. Carlo DiMaggio was working at LaTosca that night with his son Sam, who was a known felon and burglar. Well, felon because he was a burglar. But Carlo said he was never outside because that place was jammed with Irish people all night. Those are his words. In the car, the police find a loaded 357 Magnum, a dull Blue 45 automatic pistol, a full 45 clip in the glove compartment. Six bullet holes were in the driver's side window, and they could tell they were fired from the passenger seat of the car. They were not fired from outside the car. They were fired from the passenger seat, meaning somebody was sitting next to him when he got shot. Six spent cartridges were on the floor in the car. So again, indicating the gun was fired inside the car. At the morgue 4 45 bullet holes were under his right ear. Pretty serious here. I'm confused, though. The person that was riding with him is not the one that shot him. No, it is the one who shot him. He was driving down the street in his car with somebody next to him, and that guy just took a gun out and shot him. Well, I presume they were parked, but yeah. Okay. It's not probably a great idea to shoot a guy while he's driving. Yeah, you're absolutely right. That would be pretty stupid. At the morgue, they found a third gun, a loaded 38 Colt revolver that was in DiTrapani’s back pocket. So there were at least three guns in the car at the time he was shot. Frank LaGalbo, arguably the company's closest friend, was in and out of his restaurant all night. Last checking in at 04:00 in the morning. Was he a suspect? We know that he was awake all night. And we know that the Mafia has a tendency to hire people that are close to the person that are close to the person. If you can get close enough to sit in a parked car with a guy and shoot them four times in the head. You got to be pretty close to the person, not a random stranger sitting there. So that's kind of where we're at. From there, the police go and they do an investigation and a couple of motives were put forward. If you have anything else at this point, go for it. Otherwise, I'm going to jump ahead to the motives. Think I'm good. Okay. Here are a series of motives that the police were investigating. Okay. An anonymous individual said that DiTrapani was involved in Hijacked Liquor, which is true also. He was involved in counterfeit money. An out of town man was sent to kill him because he would not cut anyone else in on the profits. Most of this liquor was going to Las Vegas. It was going there by the thousands of gallons. The Hijacked Liquor part, maybe not cutting people in on the profits, maybe. I have no idea why you would send it to Las Vegas. That part seems sketchy. So this anonymous tipster, I think maybe is half right. Another anonymous person suggests his oil deals brought him three times the money that he had invested. He was killed for these oil deals, but they weren't going to get the money because the stocks were put in his wife's name. Maybe. Maybe. A confidential source said the murderer of John DiTrapani definitely is linked with the activity and the participants of the hijacking of a load of hot meat during the month of July 1952. I don't think so, but I always appreciate any time the hot meat comes back. And I don't remember. Did we talk about on the hot meat episode why this probably is not linked? It could be, but the DiTrapani’s name never even came up in that. So if he was linked to it, I've got nothing to show that, which doesn't mean it's not the case, but I don't know why he would get the blame for any of that. An anonymous phone call to check up on Hijacked Liquor and you will find why he was killed because he promised that he would take some of this Hijacked Liquor and then he didn't. So this is them saying he agreed to buy somebody's Hijacked Liquor and did not. So they killed him for it. Right. So it's a different version of the Hijacked Liquor story where somebody hijacked a truck full of liquor and they killed him because he refused to pay. So I don't know. Maybe. Yeah. Like if they had given him the liquor and he refused, then just never paid for it. That's possible. I could see that. Another anonymous person pointed to two men who were killed in Gangland Style and found frozen to death in a trunk in Chicago. The anonymous person believed that John DiTrapani was responsible for killing these two men and this was a revenge killing. possible. I have nothing connecting him to the two men. So I don't know. Finally, years later, Frank LaGalbo himself told an informant, not realizing he was telling an informant. He said that John DiTrapani was killed because he tipped off police that the Chicago outfit, the Chicago Mafia, was behind a gambling deal that took a large sum of money from oil Baron Robert Roman. Now because it comes from Frank LaGalbo, I feel like that's more reliable than most of these, especially because I actually have a name and not just an anonymous person calling the police because an anonymous person calling the police could just be like some conspiracy nuts that have their own. Yeah. And I'll tell you, out of those 1400 police pages, I mean, I cut a lot of that because there are some nutty people that will call for anything. And again, I find this more plausible because of the source. But it's interesting because it never came up at all. This gambling, this oil Baron Robert Roman. I have no idea who Robert Roman is. So this angle, if it is correct, was never part of the investigation. So it wasn't until many years later, I don't remember when Frank LaGalbo was caught telling this informant it would have been probably 20 years after the fact. Did they ever research that further once that came to light to see if there was any relevance to it? No, because the informant that he told was an FBI informant. And this is kind of how it works is the FBI doesn't tell the police anything. The police probably were never aware that this was even a thing until years and years later when somebody could actually access the FBI file basically. Is that what it is, right? Yeah. For whatever reason, they don't like sharing information. So there's a number of times in FBI files where informants like they'll ask an informant like, hey, can you tell us about a bunch of old crimes? And they will and they'll say this person did this and this person did that. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. But they don't ever look into any of them and I don’t think they pass it to the right person. They don't pass it on to the police. So it's like I think they ask these people just to kind of like test how reliable they are as a source, but they don't ever do anything with it. And that's so interesting because my assumption would be they don't tell the police because they don't want to trip the police off that they're looking into something. Probably. I kind of get that. But at the same time, think of all the murders that might have gotten solved if they would just share this information. No, it's true. There are occasions where they'll talk to an informant, a reliable informant who will be like, oh, yeah, the two guys who shot him were this guy and this guy. And they might still be alive, but they don't then ever be like, oh, we should probably tell the police to check into these two people. Yeah. Get a little look into this, even if it's something they already looked into, at least give them a second look. Be like, talk to them a little more forcefully here, because there might be something there. Yeah. You never hear them passing it on. Yeah. Honestly, that doesn't really surprise me all that much. I don't know. Maybe it surprised me at one point, but it doesn't surprise me anymore. Yeah. Because you're so used to seeing it that I'm so used to the FBI, like collecting information, doing nothing with it. That's pretty much the super summary of this case. Like I said, anybody who's interested in more, there's a whole lot more detail in the book. I don't like to push the book, but this is a case where it really is of great value. If you're interested, I just had a question come up. Sure. So your positioning is of all the people that called in and stuff with tips on who possibly could have done this, Frank LaGalbo, in your mind, is the greatest possibility of being the actual yes. Is there any other ones you really like in there, or are they all the other ones, like, do you have a theory other than that one that you like, or are they all just kind of theories that people are calling in and there's really no the Hijacked Liquor thing was a running theme. He's killed in 1954. They knew since 1942. So for twelve years they knew that his name would come up in Hijacked Liquor cases. He was never caught for it, but it would come up. So it's reasonable. Like that's ultimately what gets him killed. But I don't know that. Yeah, but there is no evidence. The only evidence there is that, you know, he was in the Hijacked Liquor. I know he was in Hijacked Liquor. So you upset the wrong person. And yes, the mob is a strange thing, because sometimes you'll get killed, like, it's really obvious, like why you get killed. If you're an informant, they're probably going to kill you. That makes sense. But then there's other times where they might just give you a slap on the wrist. So it's always hard to tell if you're going to be killed for a mistake or not. And it seems like more often than not, what they do is maybe one out of five or one out of ten they actually kill because you don't have to kill everybody. You just kill somebody every so often so they know, oh, well, they actually can kill people when they want to. I probably shouldn't mess with them. So for all I know, he didn't even screw them over that bad if that is what happened. He just happened to be the guy they were going to make an example out of. But I don't know. I don't know if it's the Hijacked liquor. I don't know if he did rat out some people for this gambling deal with this oil guy who I don't even know who that is. Have you ever looked into that oil guy to see if you could find anything about him? I feel like I probably would have when I was putting the book together. And then the last couple of days when I was putting the notes together, I mean, I looked him up and I couldn't even find him. If I looked really hard, I probably could. But it wasn't obvious for a guy that they kept calling the oil Baron. You’d think you could find that? And apparently he must not have been that big of a deal because it doesn't easily come up. If I did a deep dive into the newspapers, maybe I could have found him. And then earlier on in the episode you mentioned about he was at a bar. Right. And there was all these strange people that were in this bar, like really powerful mob members and stuff like that at the same time. Was that brought into the story just because that's very interesting that all these people were in this bar all at one time, or do you have some working theory on why was there a big meeting at this bar that could have been going on? Because that was the night he got killed. Right. He left that bar and got killed. Right. So I don't think he really touched on what the running theory is. Why were all these people in this bar? Ultimately, I think it was just a big coincidence. You do? I really do. Obviously, they looked into all these guys and they basically said they all had an investment in this aluminum siding business in Milwaukee. So they had a reason to be in Milwaukee. And I wasn't very clear. I didn't specifically say it, but the day that DiTrapani is killed is March 17, 1954, which is St. Patrick's Day. So it's a big bar night. So it's perfectly reasonable that these questionable guys who have business dealings in Milwaukee are going to go out drinking while they're in town. And if they're going to go out drinking, of course they're going to go to one of these Italian places. So it's not that odd. The only reason I really bring it up at all is just because they all have interesting backgrounds and they were all there even if they didn't talk to him. All these guys who are very mob connected guys are in the bar shortly before, and they're all capable of probably either killing him or ordering somebody to kill him. Right. Which is really interesting. Right. But it's an incredibly weird coincidence that these out of town guys were all involved are with a guy, a mob guy who is murdered an hour before he's murdered. But they were not with him. Correct. They were just in the bar. We don't know that they talk to him at all. Okay. But it could have been all a big meeting and that meeting could have gone crazy. And then they all decided to kill them. Right? We don't really know that. It doesn't seem like that's probably feasible, because if they did look into all these people, they probably would have all had something to suggest it. Yes, they looked into them all pretty thoroughly because they talked to the guy who ran the holiday house, John Volpe. And John Volpe, although is friends with a lot of questionable characters, he himself does not seem to be questionable because he's pretty open with talking to the police. And yeah, so he told them flat out he's like, these are the people I know who were in the bar that night. And these are the ones who are a little questionable. So he could have flat out said, I don't know who was there, but no, he pointed them in the direction. I'm sure they would have rather not had their names come up at all, which is not surprising. It didn't ever get John Volpe killed. Are we going to hear about John Volpe? I don't think John Volpe gets killed. Okay. I don't remember what ends up with him, but I don't think he gets killed. His business partner's son, on the other hand. On the other hand does get killed, but that's a little way down the road. All right. Well, I think that wraps this one up. All right, so this was our second to last episode before a little break we're going to take next time we'll come back with our final pre break episode, which, as we've already revealed, will be about Jack Enea who dies. So we'll do that, and then we'll go on a little break. If anybody wants to reach out with questions, comments, you can reach me. You can go to Milwaukeemafia.com, see the beautiful website, all the FBI files stored there so you can see the actual source material. And maybe by the time this drops, the actual police file will be up. That one is in paper form, so I have to scan it. That's why it's not up yet, but it will be eventually between now and next time. Thank you guys for listening. And it's a real pleasure just to tell these stories. 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