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Evan: Hello, and welcome to Left of the Projector. I'm your host, Evan,

Evan: back again with another film discussion from the left.

Evan: You can follow the show at leftwitheprojector.com.

Evan: We bring you a first of a multi-part series on another television show.

Evan: This time, the first season of Andor, a Star Wars story, which is a prequel

Evan: series to Rogue One, which is also a prequel series to other Star Wars movies.

Evan: There's a million Star Wars movies.

Evan: We all tell you why this is the best Star Wars content.

Evan: And back, I have Bill and Ward, who you've heard discuss other such episodes

Evan: as The Big Lebowski, Alien, and some other things which escape me at the moment.

Evan: but uh thank you both for coming back on the show happy.

ward: To be here.

bill: Thank you for having us since.

Evan: I said this is the best star wars content it's to me it's the best show but

Evan: as the prequel to the best movie is this true.

bill: Unequivocally yeah objectively true rogue.

ward: One is the best movie i'm.

bill: Personally enjoying i.

ward: Enjoy and or more than rogue one actually yeah.

Evan: It's like a lot of rogue wand.

ward: Yeah it's.

bill: Yeah it's sick i mean rogue one does

bill: have some stupid force shit so you know that's the ding against it which is

bill: what it's like when you're a kid you're and the jedi are awesome and now i'm

bill: like the jedi are the worst people alive they're terrible and i don't care about

bill: them or the force at all in any way shape and.

Evan: They don't mention them a single time in this show at all.

bill: No

ward: It's really the best part honestly if you ask me.

Evan: Personally one of the one of the things i saw when they were developing the

Evan: show and they brought together like all the like the writing team to build it

Evan: they specifically dan gilroy told them not to consider the show and nostalgia

Evan: and like bringing back other star wars when they wrote it so that it wouldn't

Evan: affect the show and they nailed it.

bill: Which like that is such a honestly the if we can talk about nostalgia and how

bill: nostalgia is a tool for fascism, that is such a fucking excellent point.

bill: Because, I mean, we talked about it in Alien Romulus. The one thing that none

bill: of us liked in that movie was the nostalgia bait and the fan bait.

bill: And it's like, the best part, it's like, make a good thing on its own,

bill: based on the foundations, but without the nostalgia.

Evan: Yeah, I think the quote that I saw on the Wikipedia or about it,

Evan: he said, he wanted the series to be grounded in reality

Evan: too and so well before we talk about

Evan: well so in this episode we're going to talk about half the season generally

Evan: probably the show we we're not going to we won't talk about the the second half

Evan: and the spoilers of what happens but if you're listening now you should go watch

Evan: the entire the whole series because season two is coming out in about a month

Evan: and a half from recording of this so you should get ready to uh watch season two but Like,

Evan: what do you think of the show purely as a revolutionary...

Evan: story or message leading into rogue one which is kind of funny because they

Evan: made a prequel where you know exactly what's going to happen at the end which

Evan: they said made it really easy to make the show in the sense that they knew what

Evan: the ending would be before they started they just had to get there so since

Evan: a lot of people talk about the show as being kind of a revolutionary,

Evan: show not like revolutionary and like what they made like a revolutionary as

Evan: in you know uh just feeding fascism and such and story yeah themes and stories

Evan: yeah so i don't know what do you think about that generally like do you think

Evan: that it do you think that it's like over,

Evan: liberalized you know especially given we're talking about disney and we're talking about star wars i.

ward: Don't think so which is really surprising given it is disney and it is star wars yeah.

bill: It is shocking i mean shocking.

ward: Like i i love how the revolutionary rhetoric and themes in this show are and

ward: i was one who like on uh on my previous podcast we talked about squid games

ward: i bash squid games for being too liberal like i don't have any complaints of

ward: liberalism and and or though.

Evan: Some of the characters are what

Evan: makes also the show so good i think is that you actually get characters

Evan: that are not just one dimensional which you also have

Evan: a long series so you can flesh that out but even a

Evan: lot of other series where there's even star wars or other shit they don't

Evan: like give characters actual growth they don't give

Evan: them you know uh this multifaceted

Evan: you know starting from one place and actually getting

Evan: somewhere else at the end of the season or whatever for actually like reasons

Evan: like you actually see and or and his growth even from the midway of when we're

Evan: gonna eventually stop watching you know this episode or stop discussing it to

Evan: like the second half it's just it's kind of crazy it's um,

Evan: Uh, yeah, I, um, I don't see any liberal kind of messages.

Evan: It's actually shocking to me that this mood, that this series was made to be,

Evan: to be, to be perfectly blunt.

ward: I'm right there with you.

bill: Yeah i mean you know we we can

bill: talk about you know the issues of commodification of

bill: like revolutionary rhetoric and you know we can talk about that

bill: all dang long and that's an absolutely hat but

bill: like the fact of the matter is is that in terms of like what's available and

bill: what is released and what's out there and what people see um and you know culture

bill: and what is produced media affects people and it does it does speak to people

bill: and it it shocks me that But because of how hard-line this actually is,

bill: the show is a pretty hard-line on what it stands for and what it says.

bill: And it is shocking that it is pretty incredible.

Evan: And again, since we're talking about a bunch of episodes, we're not necessarily

Evan: going to go through each one individually and talk about it.

Evan: But sort of the sketching out understanding kind of what happens is you have

Evan: Cassian Andor, who's sort of the obviously the show's name Andor.

Evan: It's based on him and his, you know, initially they kind of see him on one planet,

Evan: you know, kind of doing a robbery,

Evan: you know, getting caught up, killing some people accidentally or, you know, in a mess.

Evan: And he's basically trying to survive on a planet that is beholden to giant corporations,

Evan: which isn't actually the Empire at this point.

Evan: What I think is actually a good starting point is that they really dig into this show about...

Evan: Beyond just okay the empire is evil and they own and

Evan: control everything you actually see sort of the other side

Evan: of the um the other

Evan: side of like the working class similar in a way to alien romulus

Evan: where they show you on a planet where they're mining and doing all this labor

Evan: that's sort of disconnected from everything you see this planet that's a bunch

Evan: of essentially uh people working just to to make ends meet and uh he gets you

Evan: know caught up in something and eventually has to flee,

Evan: and it's uh just interesting to me how well they brought in a bunch of different

Evan: planets and i can well you tell me what you think about that and then i'm i'm

Evan: gonna i'll sketch out a couple of the planets because i think it's helpful for

Evan: anyone maybe who hasn't seen.

ward: It yeah i really enjoyed like how they had ferrix similar

ward: like what you're thinking alien romulus like re-watching i was

ward: thinking i was like oh this is like kind of like alien romulus where it's

ward: like a different aspect of the working class in the

ward: universe and like the fact that it's not directly

ward: under imperial control it's under corporate control

ward: which like i don't

ward: know that that made me think of us talking about uh mussolini style

ward: fascism uh from the alien romulus episode

ward: not gonna lie um that it was under direct corporate

ward: control instead of uh direct imperial but like

ward: yeah no even within these first few the first

ward: half of the season we get the empire finally taking over and

ward: like setting up on ferricks and yeah you have the characters telling us for

ward: themselves like this is the first time in a long time that the empire has been

ward: here we've actually been like they haven't been here in a long time and so you're

ward: actually getting to see like kind of a different aspect in like yeah,

ward: that's kind of really the only star warsy thing that i really enjoy about it

ward: is that like it's taking place in the star wars universe i guess but like i

ward: love the politics of this i.

bill: Think that like the fact that it starts off under corporate control and like,

bill: it is made very clear not just that like and it's

bill: not just that you know it's the company that they work for

bill: but it's their it's corporate security that those

bill: are paid those are security office private

bill: company in the state stuff like that it's a private company paid

bill: to enforce the law and then

bill: they are and i like i feel like that is

bill: such an important distinction that isn't

bill: made and which is part of like how you

bill: can you can argue about like the liberalism of star

bill: wars at large and the way it is portrayed and

bill: how easy to be like oh it's empire the empire is evil you know like throughout

bill: the rest of star wars if we want to talk about the uh inferior we're gonna get

bill: i mean you're gonna get slammed by star wars nerds i.

Evan: Don't know if they listen to this podcast.

bill: At them they like the other movies more you're gonna get fucking run out of town well but it's.

Evan: Such a good i mean you're right i mean it's there's no other um.

bill: One of the one of the distinct aspects of

bill: what separates what is one of the most important

bill: aspects that separates electives from a liberal it's understanding it's

bill: an understanding of capitalist capitalist control

bill: ruling class control and corporate and look how that implies you know what all

bill: that implies and that is missing from all other star wars like that is not an

bill: aspect it's just you know space hill and it's like but this makes it implicit

bill: like no this is rooted in capital it's rooted and.

Evan: I think what makes it like drives that point home even further is

Evan: so we also learn there's a lot of like flashing back and

Evan: forth to in the in the first uh three

Evan: or four episodes or so maybe it's even just the first three

Evan: episodes where we see and or where he comes from

Evan: where he comes from a planet called canari which is this mid-rim

Evan: like forest rich planet which became a mining colony and essentially in this

Evan: case it's very much like what you would see in uh america by you know uh america

Evan: you know by sorry not america in on earth by america you know being this you

Evan: know uh colonizing force that goes into other places,

Evan: you know, takes over and mines them for their resources, you know,

Evan: kills all the people or kills the people they need to and steals all the everything from them.

Evan: And that's what this planet is. And that's where he comes from.

Evan: And it seems also that they make it very explicit. There's like an accident

Evan: on this planet that like fucking killed a bunch of people and cause,

Evan: you know, major problems.

Evan: And it's that again, reminds me, sadly, about the episode on Alien Romulus,

Evan: where they have this planet that they're just killing the planet doing they

Evan: can't even see the fucking sun and they're just destroying everything and that

Evan: that's he's gone from this horrible place to this working class place and then

Evan: he then goes to another planet i'll i'll uh i'll dot all this is a dalhani is a.

Evan: Aldani and again another situation where

Evan: it's a base for the empire which used

Evan: to have indigenous people which they killed and drove off their land so we can

Evan: see on almost every planet with the exception of the very wealthy ones all of

Evan: the the harm that these corporations and then the empire does to them and you

Evan: never see that on any other star wars content ever.

ward: Yeah no oh i mean it's even more overt

ward: than both of those examples i mean leading up into

ward: like that second example you're talking about the planet aldani

ward: and how the danny people were fucking killed and

ward: murdered and drove and driven off their lands like you have the commandant of

ward: the bear of the garrison even saying explicitly that's not profit profitable

ward: like that's why would we do it that way that's not profitable no we did it this

ward: way instead like it's overt in your face which is crazy.

Evan: Yeah they.

bill: Don't beat around the bush.

Evan: And they built the dam also to to destroy like their land as well so they everything

Evan: they can do to essentially make their lives impossible and have to forcibly

Evan: displace them to a profit off it and all of this yeah it's it's um yeah.

ward: He said specifically there's no profit in that.

Evan: Oh man like you don't you don't you don't get i don't think they've ever said

Evan: the were like profit in us in a star wars movie before no.

ward: I don't think so.

bill: Uh i mean they might have been whatever the ones with the trade routes.

Evan: Yeah trade routes i guess like the cartoons and.

bill: The no no no no no the the the first prequels.

Evan: Oh uh yeah episode one um yeah yeah jar jar with.

bill: The with the uh the midichlorians yeah and the the horrible asian stereotype

bill: alien i think they talked about profit.

Evan: Yeah, I guess that's probably right. But not in the same way where they're actually

Evan: discussing it. Like, it takes me back to when...

ward: As a motive?

Evan: Yeah, as a motive, exactly. Not just like, oh, like, there's some profits that gets lost.

Evan: And then, what was I going to mention about the... Yeah, so the other planet

Evan: that I haven't mentioned, which comes into play is Coruscant,

Evan: which is sort of the home of the Galactic Empire, where the Senate is housed,

Evan: and it's basically just a rich, you know, a rich person's planet,

Evan: which you probably have to assume there's got to be people that are the service workers.

ward: There's people that live in the lower depths of Coruscant who don't see the light and sun.

ward: It's a trillion population planet.

bill: It's a hive planet i mean.

Evan: Oh you're right there's.

bill: A word for it i i'm i'm using 40k language but there's a word for what it is and i forget what it is.

ward: Yeah i can't remember either but yeah it's like a trillion population planet

ward: and it's mostly vertical and only the people who have it nice see like the sky and shit yeah.

Evan: God you not just one trillion it's two trillion oh.

ward: Shit i was off my bad.

Evan: And it says that it's seven 68 percent human and 32 percent other sentience

Evan: so those are the ones that you know definitely do not see any son you know they're being how many do.

ward: How many have we seen.

Evan: Yeah there's like a driver of the limo and then the the douchebag husband and

Evan: the you know a few other people can't.

ward: Stand the husband oh.

bill: Who is just a straight up uh man that whole watching their marriage makes me mad.

Evan: Well so to get to like to even to get to the husband so we sort of again i'm

Evan: not gonna skip it around i know but so basically we watch.

ward: All six episodes and come back and listen to this.

Evan: Yeah you'll have a good time i'm guessing he's probably our opinions anyways

Evan: but so i think a couple of the characters that were are worth talking about

Evan: at the beginning too and i think because i mentioned how andor comes from this

Evan: canary where he's originally you know didn't speak or he only spoke the local

Evan: language and he essentially is,

Evan: taken to ferricks by uh a woman and i guess it's not her husband is it it's

Evan: like another partner right yeah.

bill: They're just like co-workers or like.

Evan: Yeah yeah.

bill: No i don't think these are.

Evan: No i don't think so either and then basically taking is.

bill: It's not relevant.

Evan: No it's not but so one of the questions that i was that i was thinking about are you.

ward: Guys are you just going overlooked the fact that uh cassian andor's black father

ward: was killed by local police okay.

Evan: Oh you're right that is that is true i.

bill: Mean i meant whether they were married isn't relevant granted that's also after

bill: episode six not cassian's relationship to the man.

Evan: Yes yes well but so the like the the thing that's interesting about it is he's

Evan: on this planet they uh have a run-in with the Empire, essentially,

Evan: and it leads to several of his,

Evan: friends or family getting killed and he's then taken away by someone who's on

Evan: the planet presumably to loot, I think, some of the Empire's materials.

ward: They're just scavenging.

Evan: Scavengers, right?

bill: Yeah, they're just scavenging, yeah.

Evan: And they take Andor away from his home planet. And I'm curious if you think

Evan: that this is... It is essentially to save his life, potentially getting then

Evan: killed by the Empire, but...

ward: I mean, we have confirmation that he would have been killed by the Empire.

Evan: But do you, I don't know why I have it in my head that it's still like,

Evan: I think, an interesting question of taking this indigenous person from their

Evan: home and essentially taking them under,

Evan: you know, to save them, sort of be a mother to that person. I don't know. Am I like reaching?

ward: I mean, I would say in simplest terms, even though she did it for all the right

ward: reasons and she was right to do it, it wasn't her decision to make.

bill: I mean, well, I mean, do we know that he was indigenous?

Evan: I guess we don't.

ward: I mean, we don't have we don't see him being like front shitted out on Kanari.

ward: So, I mean, there's that.

bill: But we don't know that.

ward: Marva is adamant that she put fest on all of his fucking paperwork that she

ward: never told anybody except for only people that are dead that he was from Qunari.

bill: That's a good point.

ward: Yeah, like she was adamant about that. She started grilling him about who did

ward: you tell that you're from Qunari. So more than likely he's born on Qunari.

bill: Yeah, you're probably right based on that, yes.

Evan: And it's very problematic too for the Empire knowing that he's from there.

Evan: Like that is a very big sticking point.

bill: I don't, I mean, I think Ward is pretty much, you know, up like,

bill: yeah, it's like, she didn't really have that choice.

bill: She didn't, you know, have, you know, the, I guess the right to make that decision for him.

bill: But at the same time, like it's still like, she was a child. She, he was, yeah.

ward: No concept.

bill: It's not like, okay. But it's not like it's made very clear that whatever happened

bill: on that planet, all the adults.

bill: these kids were basically like left to like

bill: figure it out like they were not that was not a

bill: society that was not a a functional society that was you know they were rebuilding

bill: in the wake of everyone being dead and the likelihood that they even survived

bill: past that regardless of what the empire seems unlikely because the planet was like painted for all.

ward: Yeah like for me it's the for

ward: me the reality on canari is there are

ward: no adults because more than like the the empire took

ward: all of them for slave labor for the mines and given

ward: what we've learned in episodes one through six they had

ward: child uh work camps too child

ward: slave camps too so he was

ward: next you know him and his tribe like moving

ward: from group like area to area group to group whatever they're

ward: doing however they're surviving dude it was just a

ward: matter of time that they're about to get rounded up by the empire and put

ward: to slave camps too and that's not even including the

ward: immediate context of hey they fucking

ward: killed a dude at a fucking empire imperial

ward: uh craft crash site and now

ward: that like they're sending a fucking force to fucking kill

ward: him so like and knowing and what we get told like within the story that there's

ward: no survivors of canary like it's labeled off limits it's a toxic waste zone

ward: like we know that over time it becomes so over exploited to the point of uninhabitability

ward: like that's the lengths the empires were willing to go to.

bill: I feel like it's implied that basically something went wrong like because for it to go that fast.

ward: I want to take it as like they went full bore like who gives a fuck just keep drilling and.

bill: Then yeah but that's what i mean like.

ward: That seems like empire they went so.

bill: Far so fast they awoken something from the deep.

Evan: From the minds of moria.

ward: I

bill: Wasn't gonna say that.

Evan: All right all.

bill: Right i was referencing it i didn't say it.

Evan: But well but and that's that's the purpose of having those child laborers right

Evan: they can they don't care about them they can let them get you know who knows what kind of disease or.

ward: Are they gonna uprise against you they're half as tall as you.

bill: Yeah.

Evan: Yeah.

bill: We've already talked about this, you know, like the kids.

ward: And also sometimes they yearn for the mines, like.

bill: And it's going to have a blast. In rare form.

Evan: Once you sort of get these kind of flashbacks, it's basically giving you a lot

Evan: of context as to where Andor is coming from and then why he's then sort of saved.

Evan: I kind of put that in quotation marks from Ferex and then kind of recruited,

Evan: which we don't get till about episode, I think three,

Evan: I think it's when we learn, you know, that he's being recruited to be this,

Evan: you know, person that we're going to have this large scale, you know, heist.

ward: No, we learned that episode one.

Evan: Do we learn episode one that he's recruiting him?

ward: So he goes to talk to Bix after he killed the two Corpo cops.

ward: He's like, hey, call your guy. I got something that he's really going to want.

ward: And Bix says to him, he's been wanting to meet you.

Evan: Oh, you're right. You're right. I forgot about that.

ward: And I'm pretty sure that is due to info we get, I'm pretty sure, episode three,

ward: whenever they get, when Tim rats out fucking Cassian Andor to the fucking Corpo,

ward: and they pull up his rap sheet, and he's got a rap sheet for insurrection,

ward: damage of government property, and assault on an Imperial officer.

Evan: Yeah, yeah, okay. So all this information, we definitely know that is known by Luthan.

ward: Yeah, so I'm pretty sure- Yeah, Luthan knows it because Bix has told him,

ward: plus he's got all his connections-

Evan: He knows where he's from the whole time.

ward: He knows where he's from. He knows that he killed the two corpos.

ward: He probably knows his rap sheet too.

ward: And he knows that he's been working with Bix to get all this Imperial gear and sell it.

ward: Like they've been in cahoots with Bix. He's been helping out Bix. Like, you know?

Evan: Yeah. And especially given the fact that if like the Imperial,

Evan: he's, the way that it's interesting, we can also talk about this too,

Evan: that at some point, maybe it's worth it now.

Evan: But like, so Luthan's character is sort of like the recruiter and he's acting

Evan: sort of has this go-between to set up all these different things in different places.

Evan: But what do you think about the organization that they have as far as the revolutionaries,

Evan: whatever you want to call this resistance group?

Evan: It seems like they have a very strong organization just on the one planet we learn about.

ward: Yeah, I think it's very strict. There's layers of anonymity and layers of secrecy

ward: and need to know and i think it's beautifully well done i mean how the fuck else would you do it it's.

bill: Very clearly based on like you know cell-based organization and

bill: you know in in the matter that in this situation

bill: that it is it would need to be operated that you you don't

bill: we don't have the the veneer of

bill: bourgeois liberalism in this story

bill: is it's all that it's purely a veneer and it's only for it is only for show

bill: amongst the upper class like the upper class the lower class do not have access

bill: to bourgeois democracy at all and the only way to resist it is through that kind of thing.

ward: I think i i think i'm remembering the one instance of like liberalism in this show oh.

Evan: Let's hear it.

ward: Um first half is the commandant's son,

ward: who doesn't want to wear his imperial jacket for the general inspector that's coming down.

ward: And like, oh, I'm going to be sick.

ward: He's always sick. His mom's like, oh, yeah, I think he's going to be sick.

ward: He's always sick. That's like it. I feel like that's the only example I got.

Evan: I mean, if that's all you got, then I'd say, again, kudos to them making this.

Evan: kudos to you tony gilroy that's.

ward: Purely just like a kid shying away from not wanting to be a part of an empire

ward: like that's it it's bad i'm.

bill: Gonna grow up to be an anarchist.

Evan: Well so

Evan: and the other thing so they have this very strong organization we

Evan: have like basically now andor is now being recruited like

Evan: the scene where luthan and he are in that sort of like warehouse and

Evan: they're escaping is like also the most like such a badass scene like

Evan: it just shows how like you know you you sort

Evan: of see in the very first episode how strong of

Evan: a character and how good and or is at you know fighting and all the different

Evan: things he's you know being smart and being able to get away and all these skills

Evan: he has but like every episode you see him open up more of those skills and you

Evan: see why luthan needs him for you know their cause yeah.

bill: Like when he when they when they go through the plan on how to fly the thing

bill: he's like you don't even know what you're doing you don't even know how to you

bill: don't even know that it's like i'm flying it because you don't even know what.

ward: Would you have done if i wasn't here.

bill: Yeah what would you have done if i wasn't here yeah when he says that it's like

bill: so like and he's just so like frustrated because it's like yes they are disciplined

bill: and they but they've also they've

bill: done all the like they've done all the organizing and like the like,

bill: deal stuff but like none of them clearly have done actual leg work shit that

bill: he has done and he's like look at you amateurs.

ward: I mean i mean oh man it'd go into pass our episode limit but i'd say we could

ward: do like a breakdown on like the full um the heist crew if you will.

Evan: Oh the.

ward: Rebellion heist crew and like their backgrounds we could do a whole but like

ward: that's kind of spoiler-ish.

Evan: Yeah um.

ward: For post i mean.

Evan: That would be good that maybe do a break one yeah.

ward: We could do a break breakdown on their whole background and i'm gonna say like

ward: kind of a typical leftist organization you know that makeup like it's just saying.

Evan: Well i also love when andor is when they're

Evan: doing the marching and he specifically calls out the fact

Evan: that like the left-handed guy has to be on the other side of things like that's something

Evan: i think like when they saw that almost they're

Evan: all like shit this guy actually but we would

Evan: have been fucked if you weren't here yeah yeah like he's

Evan: clearly he can memorize like plans overnight like

Evan: they literally made him spend like one night

Evan: remembering a plan that they had spent six months or a

Evan: year or something planning and he just is like boom i got it you

Evan: know this guy is clearly uh has his shit together and so

Evan: kind of like wall we don't need to maybe go into all the like the

Evan: failure of them trying to capture andor and the

Evan: you know all of that necessarily but once he is on

Evan: the planet that there that we talked about before which is

Evan: uh alda alda aldani aldani okay

Evan: it's just the way that's spelled has me uh has the

Evan: h in there the aldani so anyway we have

Evan: like the we have them all in aldani they have them kind of we sort

Evan: of constantly have things happening on two different planets at one time so

Evan: at this point now he's left ferricks we have aldani and now we have the stuff

Evan: that's happening on coruscant And I think it's worth talking about sort of the

Evan: now the organization of there where we have this woman who is a member of Congress

Evan: who's sort of like you could call her maybe a senator,

Evan: a senator. Right. So is she like AOC?

Evan: But like if AOC was like cool and working for the revolutionaries,

Evan: because she's like a progressive politician, right?

Evan: Like she's clearly talking about trying to help trade routes and get A to people and very much.

Evan: But then she's also spending money for the revolution. So like that can't be. overlooked.

ward: Trying to spend money.

bill: I would not compare her to A.R.C.E.

Evan: I was just being a jackass.

bill: Because that would be insulting to her character.

ward: I mean, there's movies out that let us know what Mon Mothma's doing and eventually does.

bill: She is spending money. What she is trying to do at the point we need her is

bill: cover up what she has already spent and spend more.

bill: She's not, it's not that she hasn't been able to spend money.

bill: She has already been funding the revolution.

ward: Well, it got all locked up.

bill: Right. It got locked up. And yeah, like, and now she needs to cover up what she already said.

Evan: Like yeah she.

bill: Is there you go you know what there you go in reality you know in the real world

bill: and i'm not including aoc in it.

Evan: I know i was just being an ass about it i believe.

bill: Aoc has been an opposite day one fucking before she was in there she was she put there for a reason.

Evan: Here's my like counter argument to that she's funding it so that's she's been funding it so but.

bill: That's what i'm saying it's the most.

ward: Liberal facade i will give you the liberal facade is the most liberal thing

ward: but like i'm still gonna go with mine for like the inherent.

Evan: But when she joined when she became a politician she likely wasn't at that point

Evan: funding the revolution probably right do you think she was recruited we don't

Evan: ever really know i don't think like do you think she was recruited and joined

Evan: as an op but on the revolution side i.

bill: Don't know because she it is well we would have to go past our point yeah we'd.

Evan: Have to reference.

ward: Something past episode six i know what you're.

Evan: Talking about let's go back more than likely.

ward: She was recruited though.

Evan: Yes okay so we'll we'll uh we'll scratch that you'll you'll you'll you'll know

Evan: this by who well yes and so the you gotta get.

ward: Them back to the second one evan come on.

Evan: Yeah yeah okay that's fair Podcast and one-on-one.

ward: Let's do this.

bill: I think Mon Motha's character is important from the perspective of,

bill: because she gives us an inside view of mechanisms of the Empire and how it gives,

bill: it hand waves bourgeoisie.

bill: It presents a facade of it for specific classes of people.

ward: Yeah, because, I mean, you have all the people at, like, the dinner party,

ward: like, those fancy Coruscant dinner parties just talking about politics.

ward: I mean, while we see elsewhere in the galaxy the reality of those policies and those politics.

Evan: Exactly. They do a really good job of, like, showing those two sides.

ward: It's so great, bouncing back and forth. And, like, yeah, no,

ward: like you're saying, Bill, Mon Mata is so important.

ward: And I think it's so great that she is funding it because it shows that like,

ward: hey, this is the empire's biggest, most vocal liberal critic.

ward: And yet she has even come to terms with that's not enough. I need to do more.

Evan: Yeah. And they even like.

ward: God, this show's good.

Evan: Well, so here's another thing we haven't talked about. That's sort of that's

Evan: we talked a little bit about like the, you know, the that Mussolini kind of

Evan: fascism where we have the combination of the state alongside of the corporations.

Evan: But we also should talk about an interesting character.

Evan: And I'll also talk about a quote that came from the the creator and writer about it.

Evan: And so that is we have a whole group of people that are on Coruscant that are

Evan: basically CIA intelligence officers collecting information about all the different sectors.

Evan: sectors, you know, they're controlling, you know, one person controls these

Evan: four planets, and they're looking at intelligence and how they can essentially

Evan: stop potential revolutionary activity. And I think it's interesting talking about that.

Evan: The character I'm referring to is Deidre Miro.

Evan: She is sort of a imperialist security bureau, I guess, against the same idea, CIA type of thing.

Evan: How do you think that that plays into this? Because you never really see this underlying,

Evan: bureaucracy i guess if you will of the empire in like the other movies you get

Evan: maybe oh you know there's people on the big ship that darth vader is on and

Evan: they just like figured out something but this is actually by.

ward: Darth vader because.

Evan: Yeah like for not so this is actually showing you what that looks like i mean

Evan: i guess in some of the other tv shows there's some of this but i find that entire

Evan: aspect of this uh pretty cool and interesting how they show it and kind of building

Evan: you know which will later lead to what happens in the second half of the season

Evan: but her character is interesting.

ward: Oh yeah no i i really enjoy like that whole aspect it's basically like the inside

ward: the empire cia point of view it's like it's really interesting concept like

ward: i was really surprised like seeing it for the first time i was like yeah this is great um.

bill: This system it's about a

bill: system not about a person you know they talk

bill: about the emperor the the senators talk about the emperor and

bill: pure overreach but like heidra

bill: and her whole you

bill: know storyline shows that this is not about orange man this is not about one

bill: person it's about a system people populated by individuals actively seeking

bill: to control thought movement you know and freedoms of the population if you are aware of,

bill: you know, you can draw a parallel, go that far, and, you know,

bill: like, actually draw a parallel, you know, to the real world, and you can,

bill: put the pieces together like oh no it's like michael parenti says you know like

bill: he talks about people go oh they don't care what i think oh they do that's all

bill: they care about and that's that that's her whole job.

Evan: And what's and so you brought you mentioned like it's not

Evan: just orange man bad one of this brings in the two notes that i saw from like

Evan: the creators is one one of the co-stars uh fiona shaw describes kind of like

Evan: she plays the um marva so marva apparently referred to the show and kind of

Evan: the themes as being like modern day, kind of in this Trumpian world.

Evan: And Gilroy was sort of like, no, it's not meant to be that.

Evan: It's meant to just kind of take this overarching concept. And I think that actually

Evan: shows through very well in that it isn't just simply like, oh,

Evan: this is about Trump and this is about this and about that.

Evan: This is taking all of those things and putting it, as you're saying,

Evan: like the system is the problem and it's not just like one person.

Evan: And then the other thing that they mentioned about Miro's character,

Evan: Deidre, His character is that they brought her in to kind of show how deep the

Evan: Empire, the Imperial side is just, it's not just this one thing.

Evan: He wrote, he literally, the quote is literally, we have a very,

Evan: very, very deep dive into the Imperial side of the story.

Evan: And I think that's what you get. And it's not the surface level.

Evan: The same thing I said at the beginning where all the characters have this growth in it, including her.

Evan: She sees that she has to play the game of the CIA. And it's super interesting.

bill: Yeah. the empire the emperor is like like never like he even the the senators

bill: like the rich people like even they like like oh you know he's the emperor they're

bill: like you know charlie brushed him off almost it's like he's secondary they even

bill: acknowledge in it like how almost how little important he actually has who's a way thing,

bill: done and like the impact on people even as they rapidly fail to do anything

bill: about it they're like yeah he's not really the problem like he's he's actually not the issue.

ward: I mean like i guess star wars has always done like

ward: or has done a decent job of like portraying it's

ward: like i mean it's not like white supremacist eugenics fascism like there's minorities

ward: there's there's not just white people in the empire like it's fascism fascism

ward: is what's going on like whether or not you're on board it's this is what we're doing it's fascism.

Evan: Yeah that's true and i think about like i'm just

Evan: thinking about how they all wear their you know with the

Evan: exception of like officers and people inside anytime they're

Evan: going outside they're wearing their little stormtrooper white uniform

Evan: type of deal thing i don't know just you mentioned they're not like white supremacists

Evan: but they're human supremacists but i think that's a a good point and the uh

Evan: the like the bureaucracy too is like very thick though where at any moment like

Evan: you have that security force on uh on the um,

Evan: on ferricks and then they take over the

Evan: empire is like you know fuck off you guys sucked at doing

Evan: this we're gonna now take over and it's it's it just shows too that they have

Evan: the ability to muscle the way through even like giant corporations or I guess

Evan: you don't really know how big this security corporation is and could just be

Evan: operating on this one planet but they're able to just bend to their will because it.

ward: Seems like most almost all the corporations are contracted to the empire.

Evan: Yeah something like that they're gonna profit in some way still.

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Evan: I was going to bring up one of the characters as part of the heist on Aldani,

Evan: but I'm wondering if I want to wait a little bit to the second one where we dive into them.

Evan: But I'm going to ask this question anyway, and I'm actually going to bring this

Evan: up because this is actually what led to me thinking about this show to do as

Evan: an episode. So I was going to do this episode like over a year ago.

Evan: It's been a long time since the first season came out. was like a long delay

Evan: because of the writer's strike and all these different things.

Evan: But there is an article that came out about the showrunner claiming that this

Evan: show is based loosely around Stalin and Lenin's actual bank heist or heist to

Evan: fund the revolution in 1907.

Evan: And so that leads me to the question of is, if that is the case,

Evan: who do you think is, you know, the Lenin and the stalin characters in this if

Evan: there is one this is like this is like a stupid question but i'm gonna ask it

Evan: anyway is is luthan lenin.

bill: I think so.

Evan: Yeah he's got to be right isn't it starts yeah l yeah l l and l and i rest my god yeah.

ward: Got it done voyard yeah do we need to explain i thought you had ears why are you listening.

Evan: To this podcast all right.

bill: Yeah i mean i think just from like though i mean i don't want to i don't want

bill: to jump ahead but you know just on the notes here is you know you mentioned

bill: nevic i know that's the part i.

Evan: Didn't want to get to but you can i mean no.

ward: No that's no that's within.

Evan: Yeah yeah.

bill: It happens it happens all within.

ward: Six the first six.

bill: I think i i think that i mean literally nevic's dead.

ward: At the end of six that's true yeah.

bill: So you're never saying it weird to say you know who is lenin i think luthan

bill: and nemec together are the different aspects.

Evan: Of it the the the force and then the ideas combined together.

bill: Yeah like i don't think i don't think nemec is carl marx.

Evan: I know that that was more because.

ward: He wrote a manifesto.

bill: Yeah lawyered wow like he did not write you know like he wrote a a manifesto

bill: on struggle and revolution.

ward: Yeah, charting the,

ward: thought of political consciousness and this one navigates the stars.

bill: You know, I don't I think together the two of them would represent life.

Evan: I think it's called the trail of political consciousness.

ward: Yeah, trail of political consciousness. Yeah, because I mean,

ward: you got even Shitty Skeen who's like, dude, this kid is the whole reason we're here.

ward: We're doing all this. Granted, he doesn't know about Luthan. But,

ward: Like, even as shitty as he was and how he wanted to bail on the whole fucking

ward: thing, he was in that moment willing to say, like, hey, this kid is the whole reason we're here.

bill: I did think that was a weird character.

ward: Yeah, Skeen was a really weird character turn once they got to the doctor.

Evan: Yeah.

bill: That was a weird turn.

ward: I didn't appreciate it.

bill: Neither did I.

ward: I wanted more from him. I was like, this guy's got it. Like, let's do this shit.

bill: He's a good actor. he's good and stuff i like him and stuff but like just in

bill: general like it seemed a weird character trying like i feel like it was done

bill: just to further cast's story and i feel it was disservice yeah.

Evan: Yeah i mean i think that they're like they're what

Evan: they kind of give like the little insights you get about him

Evan: which is very limited all the people on the plan on the like in the

Evan: heist crew are not exactly all very open

Evan: with their information because they don't want people to know

Evan: about them which actually leads me to a couple like of the scenes

Evan: with nemec the first one is when he was telling him about the

Evan: manifesto and he says i haven't titled yet

Evan: i've been waiting it's a work in progress and i know there's a great deal left

Evan: to say i mean look right here fresh inspiration two seemingly random objects

Evan: yeah this charts an astral path and this maps the trail of political conscience

Evan: both systems based on truth both navigating towards clear and achievable outcomes

Evan: and then right after that they

Evan: ask him like what he believes And Andor says, I know what I'm against.

Evan: Everything else will have to wait. And then he says, you're my ideal reader.

Evan: So like, it's very clear he's writing this, this manifesto and Andor fits into

Evan: what he wants because he has, I guess you could say he has class consciousness,

Evan: but he doesn't really understand how to fight his enemy or like.

ward: He's still operating on an individualist mindset and looking for survival.

Evan: Which is exactly what Luthan tells him right on the ship. when they're coming

Evan: over. He's like, you're thinking small.

ward: Yeah.

Evan: You're thinking of this one object.

ward: Let's fight him for real. Yeah.

ward: it's like because let's look at it let's look at it for real whether you're

ward: going to do it with me or do it on your own you're going to die fighting these

ward: motherfuckers you're going to die fighting these sons of bitches whether it's

ward: with me or without don't you want to give it your all yeah like luther knew and.

bill: Like from an organizational standpoint it's like you're going to die one or the other.

Evan: Which i think is uh actually it

Evan: makes the show less liberal because a more liberal or

Evan: maybe or critiquing of it because you see people

Evan: who are I guess you could say like baby leftists or progressives that

Evan: say like they will talk about oh capitalism is bad or

Evan: you know the system is bad but then rather than saying

Evan: like oh well we need an entire new citizen they're

Evan: like well we could like do these little fixes and like fix

Evan: it right like they're they're not thinking of the the

Evan: whole I don't think Andor is like that far behind in the sense that

Evan: he clearly is committing robberies and doing

Evan: all these things to try and fight against the

Evan: people who killed his parents and did all his awful things like he has a a real

Evan: gripe but i think uh it's very clear they're showing the listener like us the

Evan: watcher that the viewers that there is something evil beyond this and they actually

Evan: are trying to figure out a way to both fight it and then replace it.

bill: Which is its biggest flaw because it is never stated what Wilbur plays it.

Evan: No show or movie like ever does. Like that's the flaw.

ward: I mean, to some credit, it takes place in a galaxy far, far away long, long ago.

ward: So maybe they didn't have the word communism or Marxist-Leninism.

ward: But also against the show, they had completely unmodified AK-47s.

ward: Which, then again, for the show.

bill: They had AK-47s.

ward: Makes me feel like you know the the design

ward: of the ak-47 is just so ideal and

ward: not just spans time but galaxies and so that you know if you were like a poor

ward: farmer peasant anywhere in a backward galaxy but you needed a reliable slug

ward: thrower ak-47s there for you buddy well.

Evan: Skein gets shot with like that other cool pistol it's called um i just looked

Evan: it up i had like a list of like the like the weapons like the bw 20 by briar

Evan: pistol which is like this.

bill: Pistol is awesome.

Evan: Yeah it's dope.

ward: Yeah it's sick,

ward: But I like that there's just, like, plain, unmodified, underbarrel AK-47s.

Evan: So, are you saying that the revolutionary group is the USSR? It's the Soviet Union?

ward: I mean, I just like the idea that the blueprint and design of the AK.

ward: I'm a gun guy. I like guns a lot. That's, like, my biggest-ism.

ward: I just like the idea that the design spans galaxies, that you need a reliable slug, though?

ward: Here you go. You can make this motherfucker out of stamps, sheet metal, and it'll work for you.

Evan: I mean, it was developed by the Soviets. I mean, clearly that's the,

Evan: you know, the... Is it different?

ward: He was a tractor maker.

bill: Yeah.

ward: Like, he designed...

Evan: Kalashnikov, right?

ward: Kalashnikov. Yeah, he made tractors and farm equipment. Then he designed the

ward: AK-47. He got asked why, and he's like, if it wasn't for the fascists, I wouldn't have made it.

bill: Yeah.

Evan: That's fucking badass.

bill: He just wanted to make fucking tractors.

ward: That's all he wanted to do.

Evan: He's like, I can't kill fascists with fucking tractors. Yeah. Like, maybe a couple.

ward: You can, but it's hard.

bill: It takes a while.

Evan: They got really close to you.

bill: They go stand still. They run around. You got to fucking... And tractors don't move fast.

ward: Like, Leprechaun made it easy because he, like, tranced the guy to walk into

ward: one. But, like, you don't got those powers in regular real life. You know what I mean?

bill: It was a steamroller.

Evan: Yeah, and look, they didn't have the force yet. in this or like there's no one

Evan: in this that had the force they couldn't just stand there while we tractor you force.

ward: What don't wash it i don't need it you want shows great.

Evan: So i was watching i've recommended

Evan: this show to a lot of people like before they had watched it

Evan: a lot of them had watched the first episode or half of like it's kind

Evan: of slow like this isn't that good and i'm like you just got to keep

Evan: watching i think by episode three it gets

Evan: like really good even though i don't agree that the first two episodes are that

Evan: slow honestly but when you get to like by episodes five and six it's pretty

Evan: incredible how it just uh immediately goes from like a five to an eleven like

Evan: the entire heist is just awesome and it uh i.

ward: Mean how is episode one slow he's literally on the run from the fucking law

ward: from the jump street like i don't.

bill: Know i found it slow in the first one and dark when like that like beginning

bill: of the first episode it was dark and slow i actually i came back to andor i

bill: did not continue i enjoyed it when i first came out.

ward: Evan do you share those sentiments.

Evan: So i did not i watched the first two episodes so i think i watched did it did

Evan: it come out in a way that we're like you have to wait each week i don't i don't

Evan: think i watched it like right it did okay so i don't think i watched it,

Evan: I think I maybe watched the first three.

ward: I waited until it all came out and then I watched all of it.

Evan: I watched a couple episodes in a row, like two or three.

ward: All right, cool. That's all I needed. So, Evan, me and you can feel cool about

ward: having good opinions about Andor, while Bill has terrible opinions about Andor.

ward: And then, Bill, me and you are cool about Blade Runner 2049,

ward: because Evan's so lame for some reason.

bill: He hates feeling over.

Evan: Yeah.

ward: Okay, like, I kind of get that, but, like, it's Blade Runner 2049. It's good stuff.

Evan: I will not comment on this.

ward: It's primo shit.

bill: Listen, I redeemed, I came around big time.

Evan: Yeah, that's fair. Here's another, like, I'm curious what you think the past is.

Evan: How do you think it is that Luton comes to have this, like, very strange sort

Evan: of, he obviously has his two personas because he has to blend into this rich society.

Evan: Oh, he has this weird store that just sells like antiquities,

Evan: which also seems kind of fucked up that he's selling sort of he has to do it

Evan: like it's his cover. I get it.

ward: Well, I mean, well, you got to think about it this way is with Luton's position

ward: in society with everything that he has currently.

ward: You think he got that as a cover for what he's doing? To me,

ward: that is what his life was.

Evan: Okay. That makes a lot worse.

bill: I think that's radical.

ward: I think it's so beautiful, the scene of him coming back to Coruscant on his

ward: ship, where he's got to put back on the facade.

Evan: Yeah.

ward: Which, the facade being the person who he used to be, who he no longer is anymore.

ward: Because he's now a revolutionary.

Evan: Oh, so- here's a theory. What if when to me.

ward: That was absolutely beautiful. You can even see him like practicing his mannerisms.

ward: As soon as he's got all his clothes and jewelry and accoutrement on,

ward: he's like practicing his mannerisms.

ward: And you can see even in his face, it fucking pains him that he has to come back

ward: to this instead of do what he needs to do.

bill: That is a hell of a scene.

ward: It's beautiful. It's a fucking masterpiece.

bill: Yeah, seriously.

Evan: What if he, during his, based on what you're saying, which makes a lot of sense that that was his job.

Evan: What if he acquired things from Qunari and then like looked into it and is like,

Evan: shit, like the empire fucking destroyed this planet.

Evan: And then that's how he comes across Andor doing his research on Qunari.

Evan: And then that's kind of leads him down the path.

ward: I don't think that's how he comes across Andor.

Evan: No.

ward: Oh man god i want to do tiny spoiler

ward: outside the episode but like

ward: his assistant like we learned that his assistant does most of the recruiting

ward: like she recruited several members i mean it's entirely possible she's the one

ward: who radicalized them working at this hell exactly like you're saying,

ward: you study history long enough, working as his assistant,

ward: not benefiting from the wealth herself directly.

Evan: That's true.

ward: That's a possibility.

Evan: He's a worker. I mean, he might be like, he's still a worker,

Evan: but he's, uh, you know, the capitalist in a very, not a real way,

Evan: more like just a business owner, but you know what I mean?

bill: He's, he's petite bourgeois.

Evan: Yeah. But if he has this person working for him, like she's getting paid probably,

Evan: you know, less, she's not, she's also could be the one studying and realizing

Evan: all of these things getting class conscious and,

Evan: slowly drips it to him. I don't know.

bill: I think it's really kind of beautiful, but also bittersweet.

ward: Absolutely.

Evan: He might as well learn the second half. Star Wars universe.

bill: Just on so many levels. Just so complicated, but beautiful and sad.

ward: Especially in the second half. Definitely watch that as well and then come back

ward: to this podcast as we'll be covering that as well.

Evan: We will. And then once you've watched the entire 12 episodes,

Evan: listened to this, two episodes of this, then you'll be primed for season two, which...

Evan: We all know it's going to be fucking awesome. I did not even watch the little

Evan: teaser trailer. I'm like, I'm not going to watch it.

ward: Dude, that was just a screenshot that I sent you.

Evan: I know, I know.

bill: By the way.

ward: I'm not watching that. Yeah, no, I know. He was so cool.

bill: He's like, I'm not watching that. I'm like, it's not even a trailer.

ward: It's not even a video, dude. I screenshotted it purposefully.

ward: I don't watch trailers. I have admitted this so many times. I don't watch trailers

ward: either. I hate watching trailers.

bill: It was like as i scrolled on twitter i.

ward: Took this screenshot and then kept scrolling because i thought it was funny all right oh yeah.

bill: I'm not watching that i'm not watching it someone uh it's.

ward: A picture but okay the.

Evan: Only the only time you i'll watch a trailer is like when you're in a booth here

Evan: and there's like nothing you can do you're like i guess i could just like close my.

ward: Oh no i look at my phone i zone completely into my phone and actually try to

ward: show up like like i try to time it like as like the last trailer i show up a little late oh.

bill: Yeah i really don't.

ward: Like watching trailers.

bill: I love trailers i watch trailers uh but i have not watched all right bill's got bad,

bill: opinions on trailers speaking of

bill: trailers though uh the just you know a little tidbit for you know those of you

bill: who hate trailers um four movies don't have trailers or at least non-shot two

bill: no trailer we got there like on the nick of time and jackie's like oh we'll

bill: have plenty of time trailers and she like texts me while i'm like in the bed

bill: but it's starting there's no trailers oh.

Evan: That's wonderful yeah it's it's the thing about like especially a show where

Evan: they do a trailer they're gonna have little bits from any of the 12 episodes or the 12.

bill: Episodes of.

Evan: The season you don't want to like even i understand.

bill: I don't like show trailers.

Evan: Right because it's well even movie trailers where they like half the time they

Evan: give away like 60 of the movie in that two and a half minutes you're like fuck you know so.

bill: Because i will watch plenty of movies and most of them i don't care about they're

bill: not important or special in any way shape or form but like some movies that are like,

bill: like things I actually care about, like movies made by a certain someone about

bill: like, you know, a movie on a planet.

bill: It's like desert shit. Like, you know, that one, I won't watch that trailer,

bill: despite having read the books multiple times, but you know, the ultimate in

bill: spoilers, but you know, Oh.

ward: It's killing me knowing there's like a Bong Joon-ho film coming out soon.

ward: And like big fan, but like, I can't, I don't watch trailers. I can't do it.

Evan: I read the book.

ward: I'm not going to look it up.

Evan: So i i read the book for it i i cannot wait the book.

ward: Is see i don't even know what the book is like i don't even know that much like

ward: i just know it's bong june ho like that's and that's got me excited enough as is it's.

Evan: Gonna be it's gonna be really funny it's gonna be it's gonna be awesome.

ward: Yeah until just like having read the book and.

Evan: Knowing i won't say anything else i mean i'm not describing it.

ward: What's the what's the book.

Evan: It's just called mickey seven.

ward: Okay oh.

bill: That oh i didn't i.

ward: Don't even know it's very funny i don't perfect perfect.

Evan: Casting too one thing i wouldn't even mention is there's so you think of a show

Evan: like this like isn't funny there is lots of things that are broken up to make

Evan: it funny at times we're not just like it's constantly serious.

ward: Serial moving having to move back in with

ward: his mom after losing his job because he didn't listen

ward: to his fucking boss from the get-go

ward: you know what i mean the boss told him hey you know

ward: write this up as an accident dude this like dude they

ward: fucked up you don't call uncle harlow we

ward: gotta call uncle harlow uncle harlow will know what

ward: to do gotta kiss his ring first yeah but

ward: like i love that like that's his like initial arc

ward: that we get for the first half of the season you know

ward: like he's this he's this aspirational fascist

ward: bureaucrat who like goes out of the way to get his fucking

ward: uniform tailored with additional piping and whatnot

ward: and he fucking

ward: doesn't listen to literally common sense fucking

ward: advice from the dude who's actually been doing this so much

ward: fucking longer than him even though he's also

ward: a cop piece of shit but at least

ward: he's not aspirational wanting to fucking climb the imperial fascist ladder piece

ward: of shit he's like i'm just trying to maintain my position but he's got some

ward: real understanding like no these dudes fucked up they're on fucking job they

ward: shouldn't have been in the establishment they were drinking what they were,

ward: like no they fucked up call it up an accident right of today but he wouldn't

ward: listen wanted to pursue it and then has to go live with his mom it's great.

bill: Also like they came to like he came to that because again it's material condition,

bill: When you, when you have a branch, you have a point, you know,

bill: it's like you go fascism and they're both predicated on material conditions

bill: and the desire to better material conditions.

bill: And you have options and it's like some people fall came from a place where

bill: apparently all they eat three meal a day is fucking cereal and blue milk.

ward: Which I mean, looking at that is a lot better than like most of Ferrix.

Evan: Right. So one thing I was going to mention about it too, that's interesting that,

Evan: which is like a other, that you brought up of like the material conditions is

Evan: in a normal equitable system, you know, assuming he's not like this terrible

Evan: security guard doing nefarious and evil shit.

Evan: Imagine he just has some like middle level job and he loses it.

Evan: He can't even like fall back.

Evan: There's like no social safety net in the empire either. Right. You lose your job.

ward: He immediately had to move in with mom. Immediately had to move in with mom.

Evan: Yeah.

ward: Like he might be, he might be an aspirational fascist, but he's still due to

ward: the nature of his condition, still a prisoner of the system because he's doesn't

ward: own any means of production.

ward: He's not in some elite position where he's untouchable.

ward: He immediately lost his fucking job. Didn't even get to read the report. Oh fuck.

ward: um you know like got told immediately

ward: like you're done you're let go like you're gone had to move back in with mom

ward: had to rely on uncle harlow to get like you know but even though he still supports

ward: it he's still within the confines even though he might be fully for it he's

ward: still within the confines.

Evan: In episode two of this podcast, we will be drinking blue milk together.

Evan: Whatever animal that comes from, I don't know exactly.

ward: We're going to find it, and we're going to get some blue milk.

bill: We're going to get it.

Evan: It's just milk that's been sweetened with Froot Loops.

Evan: They sweeten it, and then they put it into a container, and then they use it

Evan: again for milk. It's like recycled milk.

ward: It's probably recycled milk, yeah. Knowing the Empire, they're not giving out

ward: the good stuff to lower classes.

bill: Yeah, that's the recycled milk from the upper classes.

Evan: All right, so I have the answer. It's blue milk, also known as Bantha milk.

Evan: It is because it comes from female Banthas.

ward: I mean, yeah, we could be technical about it, I guess.

Evan: I have to throw in these. I don't get too much hate mail from the Star Wars fans.

bill: Yeah.

Evan: That's for you.

bill: He's already going to get prepared.

ward: Oh, yeah, he's getting so much.

Evan: Oh, man. Yeah,

Evan: but we will touch on all the characters that we did not talk about,

Evan: and we will do a deep dive, I think, into the crew of the heist,

Evan: because I think that's going to be... We didn't even talk about some of the ones on there.

ward: Yeah, we'll get a little bit more of their backgrounds, and so we can actually

ward: delve into all the aspects, because I'm telling you, it's a typical leftist

ward: work, you know? The makeup.

Evan: It really is. It really is. And, uh, yeah.

Evan: So if, if you're, if you're listening to this, you, you have time,

Evan: there is time for you to watch episodes seven through 12.

Evan: In fact, why are you not watching it right now? Yeah.

ward: Go back and watch, like, if you haven't watched it, watch one through six and listen to this.

ward: So if you're listening to this, then, you know, as soon as this is done,

ward: which is like, now you gotta watch seven through 12.

Evan: Yeah, that is, that's correct.

ward: Everyone out there, And then wait like we are doing for season two.

bill: And then watch Rogue One.

ward: Oh, yeah, you should do that.

bill: And then you're done. You don't need to watch it anymore.

ward: Yeah. Which I got. We got to talk about an inconsistency in episode two of this

ward: between Rogue One and this.

Evan: I think I know what you're going to say. We'll save that.

ward: Okay.

Evan: We might even have to do an episode on Rogue One, perhaps.

ward: I mean, he could have been lying, but whatever.

ward: He's easily passed it off as lying.

Evan: But we will leave it there. uh bill and

Evan: ward we will and i will return in a very near future to discuss and or episodes

Evan: seven through twelve of season one you'll have to sit on the edge of your seat

Evan: while you while you wait for that um but bill and ward thank you again for uh

Evan: gracing left of the projector with your presence thank.

ward: You for having us.

Evan: Of course and um stop listening right now and go uh watch Andor watch.

ward: Yeah, go watch.

Evan: If you listen to this right now, it means you are not watching Andor right now.

bill: Yeah, there's nothing else past this. Do what we said. There's no more.

Evan: I'm going to cut this off mid-length.

ward: Andor and Rogue One, do it if you wanted to watch the rest.