1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:04,120 Welcome to Heaven Earth Church. 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,040 My name is Ross Stackhouse. 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:09,040 I'm the founding pastor of Heaven Earth Church. 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,280 From the beginning, our heart was to be a church for people who 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,040 don't fit neatly into church. 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,200 Our heart is to meet people where they are, to learn their stories, 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:20,720 to honor their stories. 8 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:23,840 Because in every human story is God's story. 9 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:27,840 In this podcast, you'll hear more about the people who now call 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:29,400 Heaven Earth Church home. 11 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,420 Their stories, in many cases of misfits who are discovering or 12 00:00:33,420 --> 00:00:34,700 rediscovering faith. 13 00:00:34,860 --> 00:00:35,980 If you want to know more about 14 00:00:35,980 --> 00:00:39,620 us, you can go to heavenorthchurch.org Otherwise, we 15 00:00:39,620 --> 00:00:41,660 invite you now into the story. 16 00:00:44,060 --> 00:00:44,980 Hello, good people. 17 00:00:44,980 --> 00:00:49,660 Brad Miller here, the producer of the Heaven Earth Church podcast. 18 00:00:50,140 --> 00:00:53,700 One of the main benefits of being a part of the Heaven Earth 19 00:00:53,700 --> 00:00:59,800 Church community is our Sunday morning conversations taught by founding 20 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:02,120 pastor Ross Stackhouse. 21 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:08,200 You can watch and participate in the Sunday morning conversation 22 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:17,240 this Sunday morning, 9:30am Eastern time at YouTube.com heavenearthchurch. 23 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:23,640 The audio version of the Sunday morning conversation is available 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,320 here on the podcast, which you can find at Apple Podcasts, Spotify 25 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:35,640 and on the website, which is heavenearthchurch.org now with the 26 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:36,040 message. 27 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,800 The problem with prayer and the power of it is Heaven Earth Church. 28 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,240 Pastor Ross Stackhouse. 29 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:47,920 Lord, speak to us now. 30 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,420 As we're trying to listen, we're trying to learn a spiritual 31 00:01:53,420 --> 00:01:54,460 language with you. 32 00:01:55,580 --> 00:02:00,820 So open our hearts, soften our hearts to receive the highest truths 33 00:02:00,820 --> 00:02:01,420 of heaven. 34 00:02:01,820 --> 00:02:03,900 In Jesus name, amen. 35 00:02:04,460 --> 00:02:09,300 All right, I'm going to say a word that for some of you might be 36 00:02:09,300 --> 00:02:11,420 a bad word online, too. 37 00:02:11,820 --> 00:02:14,460 I know some of you stay home because of the winter. 38 00:02:14,860 --> 00:02:15,500 You're just. 39 00:02:16,140 --> 00:02:18,780 You're protesting against winter still being here. 40 00:02:18,780 --> 00:02:19,740 And I feel that. 41 00:02:20,380 --> 00:02:21,100 I feel that. 42 00:02:21,580 --> 00:02:24,380 I want you to not censor it. 43 00:02:24,860 --> 00:02:28,340 Well, I mean, unless there's a really bad word that comes to your 44 00:02:28,340 --> 00:02:29,900 mind, maybe keep that to yourself. 45 00:02:30,140 --> 00:02:32,860 I'm going to say a word and I want you to listen to the very first 46 00:02:32,860 --> 00:02:35,020 thoughts that come to mind when I say it. 47 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:35,740 Okay? 48 00:02:36,220 --> 00:02:36,620 Deal. 49 00:02:37,740 --> 00:02:38,940 Is your mind clear? 50 00:02:39,980 --> 00:02:40,620 Not really. 51 00:02:41,340 --> 00:02:42,140 Here we go. 52 00:02:42,780 --> 00:02:43,340 Prayer. 53 00:02:44,380 --> 00:02:45,180 Confusion. 54 00:02:46,340 --> 00:02:46,900 What else? 55 00:02:47,780 --> 00:02:48,260 Peace. 56 00:02:48,580 --> 00:02:50,180 We got confusion and peace. 57 00:02:50,980 --> 00:02:51,780 Communication. 58 00:02:52,580 --> 00:02:53,300 What was it? 59 00:02:53,940 --> 00:02:54,420 Daily. 60 00:02:55,060 --> 00:02:55,580 Okay. 61 00:02:55,580 --> 00:02:56,100 Yeah. 62 00:02:56,660 --> 00:02:57,780 Moves mountains. 63 00:02:58,740 --> 00:02:59,300 Boring. 64 00:02:59,620 --> 00:03:00,020 Yeah. 65 00:03:00,020 --> 00:03:00,500 Okay. 66 00:03:01,140 --> 00:03:01,859 Thank you. 67 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:02,740 What's that? 68 00:03:03,220 --> 00:03:04,340 Talking to a friend. 69 00:03:05,380 --> 00:03:06,340 Quiet time. 70 00:03:06,900 --> 00:03:08,820 Is that a good thing or a bad thing? 71 00:03:09,460 --> 00:03:10,060 Not good. 72 00:03:10,060 --> 00:03:10,660 Okay. 73 00:03:11,390 --> 00:03:11,950 Okay. 74 00:03:12,830 --> 00:03:13,630 Habitual. 75 00:03:13,790 --> 00:03:14,990 Okay, Ellie. 76 00:03:15,950 --> 00:03:16,750 Supplication. 77 00:03:16,750 --> 00:03:17,870 And then easy. 78 00:03:18,510 --> 00:03:19,550 Online, people. 79 00:03:19,550 --> 00:03:21,830 Come on now, show us. 80 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:22,750 You're with us today. 81 00:03:23,630 --> 00:03:24,030 Personal. 82 00:03:25,150 --> 00:03:28,230 You could also share a feeling that you had when I said the word. 83 00:03:28,230 --> 00:03:28,990 Don't be shy. 84 00:03:29,790 --> 00:03:31,630 What's that hopeful. 85 00:03:32,510 --> 00:03:33,150 Come on. 86 00:03:33,150 --> 00:03:37,230 Somebody's holding back some, like not so great feelings about 87 00:03:37,230 --> 00:03:37,550 it. 88 00:03:38,650 --> 00:03:39,850 Only when convenient. 89 00:03:40,410 --> 00:03:41,130 Thank you, Phil. 90 00:03:42,090 --> 00:03:42,890 Impatient. 91 00:03:44,090 --> 00:03:45,050 Transactional. 92 00:03:45,770 --> 00:03:46,530 There we go. 93 00:03:46,530 --> 00:03:48,570 Now we're getting out some of the good stuff. 94 00:03:48,810 --> 00:03:49,690 Reactional. 95 00:03:50,810 --> 00:03:55,050 Anyone else Depressing when you don't get the answer you want. 96 00:03:56,090 --> 00:03:57,130 One sided. 97 00:03:58,010 --> 00:03:58,730 Unsure. 98 00:03:59,450 --> 00:04:00,890 Anything online, Adam? 99 00:04:01,610 --> 00:04:02,570 Online people. 100 00:04:03,300 --> 00:04:03,780 Hold on. 101 00:04:04,500 --> 00:04:07,220 Heather Harris, let's hear from you. 102 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:08,660 Adam. 103 00:04:09,620 --> 00:04:10,820 Hard sometimes. 104 00:04:11,780 --> 00:04:13,220 Okay, thank you. 105 00:04:14,100 --> 00:04:15,060 Anybody else? 106 00:04:16,180 --> 00:04:18,020 Feels like a chore sometimes. 107 00:04:18,820 --> 00:04:20,340 Anybody else feel that way? 108 00:04:22,020 --> 00:04:23,580 I really, I need to pray. 109 00:04:23,580 --> 00:04:24,500 I should be praying. 110 00:04:24,580 --> 00:04:25,140 Adam. 111 00:04:25,620 --> 00:04:27,540 Michelle is his heart. 112 00:04:27,700 --> 00:04:28,900 She was going to say it. 113 00:04:29,670 --> 00:04:31,190 Okay, thank you. 114 00:04:32,070 --> 00:04:33,030 Anybody else? 115 00:04:33,910 --> 00:04:35,350 Distracted easily. 116 00:04:36,310 --> 00:04:36,950 All right. 117 00:04:37,430 --> 00:04:38,310 Should I keep going? 118 00:04:39,270 --> 00:04:39,910 Okay. 119 00:04:40,790 --> 00:04:41,310 Mac. 120 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:42,070 You think so? 121 00:04:42,310 --> 00:04:42,710 All right. 122 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:43,190 On, man. 123 00:04:44,070 --> 00:04:44,550 Yeah. 124 00:04:44,790 --> 00:04:45,910 Good to see you, bud. 125 00:04:46,790 --> 00:04:51,550 Today we are starting a series which Emily, I finally just landed 126 00:04:51,550 --> 00:04:52,150 on something. 127 00:04:52,310 --> 00:04:56,470 The Prayerful Life, a series for beginners, experts and skeptics. 128 00:04:57,420 --> 00:05:01,180 I read a book, we are reading a book some of us called Praying 129 00:05:01,180 --> 00:05:03,100 like Monks, Living Like Fools. 130 00:05:03,980 --> 00:05:08,500 And we really, when I asked a bunch of people what do you want 131 00:05:08,500 --> 00:05:14,020 to talk about on Sundays, a few people brought up prayer with 132 00:05:14,020 --> 00:05:16,300 some of the feelings and thoughts that you've mentioned. 133 00:05:16,780 --> 00:05:20,940 And so we're going to spend the next several weeks trying to, 134 00:05:21,820 --> 00:05:24,940 much like we did with the series a couple weeks ago, rediscover 135 00:05:24,940 --> 00:05:28,930 the, the power and the mystery and the beauty of prayer. 136 00:05:29,570 --> 00:05:33,810 I've been a serious follower of Jesus for quite a long time. 137 00:05:34,370 --> 00:05:40,810 Even in the last year, I feel like I have realized how much I don't 138 00:05:40,810 --> 00:05:45,490 know how to pray and how much I am learning to pray. 139 00:05:46,130 --> 00:05:47,130 At the same time. 140 00:05:47,130 --> 00:05:51,370 I probably feel more confused than ever in prayer and also more 141 00:05:51,370 --> 00:05:52,930 at peace than ever in prayer. 142 00:05:53,780 --> 00:05:54,740 How is that possible? 143 00:05:55,540 --> 00:05:56,980 But it's what's happened. 144 00:05:57,860 --> 00:06:00,820 So I want to tell you how the series is going to go and then we're 145 00:06:00,820 --> 00:06:01,460 going to jump in. 146 00:06:01,460 --> 00:06:02,100 Are you good? 147 00:06:02,580 --> 00:06:03,220 You good? 148 00:06:03,940 --> 00:06:07,140 First of all, we're going to talk about like today, especially 149 00:06:08,260 --> 00:06:10,260 the why and the who of prayer. 150 00:06:10,980 --> 00:06:14,020 Then we're going to get into more as the series goes on. 151 00:06:14,020 --> 00:06:18,820 Like different forms of prayer and our frustrations perhaps with 152 00:06:18,820 --> 00:06:22,500 different forms of prayer, our blocks with different forms of prayer 153 00:06:23,500 --> 00:06:26,540 like petition or intercession. 154 00:06:26,540 --> 00:06:29,980 Big words for when you're, you're, you're requesting something, 155 00:06:30,060 --> 00:06:33,660 you're asking for something from God or, or you're trying to 156 00:06:33,660 --> 00:06:35,420 intercede on somebody's behalf. 157 00:06:35,420 --> 00:06:39,100 You're, you're asking for healing for someone and maybe you 158 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:42,780 do it persistently and you do it with, with passion and faith, 159 00:06:43,500 --> 00:06:44,780 but you don't get it. 160 00:06:45,420 --> 00:06:49,490 So we're going to Talk about that as the series goes on throughout. 161 00:06:49,650 --> 00:06:53,850 I don't want to just keep this series in the, like, abstract or 162 00:06:53,850 --> 00:06:54,770 the theoretical. 163 00:06:55,330 --> 00:06:58,970 I ultimately want to help you practice it, because one thing that 164 00:06:58,970 --> 00:07:05,250 I feel deeply in my bones, you learn to pray by praying. 165 00:07:05,890 --> 00:07:11,570 Prayer is something that you discover by experience, which is 166 00:07:11,570 --> 00:07:14,370 really awesome and really frustrating. 167 00:07:15,170 --> 00:07:16,450 All right, so here's where we're going. 168 00:07:17,810 --> 00:07:21,010 Anybody looking forward to gardening season, especially today? 169 00:07:23,730 --> 00:07:26,930 This was our community garden two years ago, right out there. 170 00:07:27,170 --> 00:07:29,890 And one thing, an image I want to bring to you today. 171 00:07:29,890 --> 00:07:31,650 That is prayer is like a garden. 172 00:07:32,530 --> 00:07:35,490 It's a place where we cultivate the extraordinary love 173 00:07:35,490 --> 00:07:38,850 of God, love of self, and love of neighbor. 174 00:07:39,570 --> 00:07:43,330 As Tyler Stanton will say at the end of his book, praying like 175 00:07:43,330 --> 00:07:46,170 monks, living like fools, prayer is a way that we remain in 176 00:07:46,170 --> 00:07:46,930 God's love. 177 00:07:47,890 --> 00:07:49,810 So Jesus says, remain in my love. 178 00:07:49,810 --> 00:07:50,690 In John 15. 179 00:07:51,090 --> 00:07:53,570 Prayer is a way that we remain in God's love. 180 00:07:53,810 --> 00:07:57,210 Not that I'm not saying that if we don't do it, God's like, you're 181 00:07:57,210 --> 00:07:57,890 banished. 182 00:07:58,610 --> 00:08:03,370 But it's a way that we discover and deepen our encounter 183 00:08:03,370 --> 00:08:04,290 with God's love. 184 00:08:04,370 --> 00:08:07,370 And also love of God, love of self, love of neighbor, love of love. 185 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,000 Prayer is the place where we remain in God's love. 186 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,640 It's also where we forge trust that God is near. 187 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,680 We're going to talk about these things today, but perhaps you're 188 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:17,280 like me. 189 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:23,679 If you look at my garden at home right now, it's got, like, messy 190 00:08:23,679 --> 00:08:25,520 chicken wire from last season. 191 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,000 It's got, like, old tomato plants that are brown and, like, 192 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:30,720 bent over. 193 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,250 It's got bamboo sticks that are, like, broken in half, some of 194 00:08:36,250 --> 00:08:36,370 them. 195 00:08:36,370 --> 00:08:37,850 And now snow is. 196 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:38,970 Is covering it. 197 00:08:39,850 --> 00:08:41,770 Anybody's prayer life feel like that? 198 00:08:42,730 --> 00:08:48,010 Nobody want to admit it, like, kind of barren in a winter season. 199 00:08:49,130 --> 00:08:51,770 But as I said, this series isn't just for those folks. 200 00:08:51,770 --> 00:08:54,370 I believe this series will also be for people who feel like 201 00:08:54,370 --> 00:08:55,050 they're veterans. 202 00:08:55,050 --> 00:08:55,930 Their garden is. 203 00:08:55,930 --> 00:08:56,810 Is fruitful. 204 00:08:57,130 --> 00:08:58,410 Their prayer life is. 205 00:08:58,410 --> 00:09:00,210 Is bountiful. 206 00:09:00,610 --> 00:09:03,970 I think we'll learn something together about that. 207 00:09:04,610 --> 00:09:09,370 I want to talk about first, though, like, what I want to imagine 208 00:09:09,370 --> 00:09:13,690 with you, like, why when we don't pray, or if we're blocked with 209 00:09:13,690 --> 00:09:15,170 prayer, like, what. 210 00:09:15,890 --> 00:09:16,290 What. 211 00:09:16,290 --> 00:09:17,090 What's in the. 212 00:09:17,090 --> 00:09:18,050 What's in the way? 213 00:09:18,850 --> 00:09:21,090 And I want to start with and then be ready. 214 00:09:21,090 --> 00:09:22,690 I need your feedback in a minute. 215 00:09:23,170 --> 00:09:24,050 On line two. 216 00:09:24,940 --> 00:09:30,140 I want to offer up four things that I think have been ways of prayer 217 00:09:30,140 --> 00:09:32,860 that we've been shaped in that have hurt us. 218 00:09:33,980 --> 00:09:37,420 They've not been helpful to our understanding of prayer and our 219 00:09:37,420 --> 00:09:38,460 practice of prayer. 220 00:09:38,780 --> 00:09:41,100 So I'm going to share these with you, and then I want to see 221 00:09:41,100 --> 00:09:43,180 if you agree and if there's anything you add. 222 00:09:43,180 --> 00:09:45,420 Okay, so here we are. 223 00:09:45,660 --> 00:09:46,180 Here's. 224 00:09:46,180 --> 00:09:47,180 Here's my four. 225 00:09:47,660 --> 00:09:50,780 First of all, Joanna mentioned one prayer as a transaction. 226 00:09:51,990 --> 00:09:55,790 So, like, an example is like, we just go to God. 227 00:09:55,790 --> 00:09:56,950 And Phil mentioned this. 228 00:09:56,950 --> 00:09:59,750 When it's convenient, we go to God to get something in return. 229 00:10:00,550 --> 00:10:03,550 We go to prayer because we want something from God. 230 00:10:03,550 --> 00:10:05,830 And that's maybe all we do. 231 00:10:06,550 --> 00:10:11,510 When we get it or we think we get it, our garden is fruitful. 232 00:10:12,070 --> 00:10:16,150 When we don't get it, our garden is in a winter season. 233 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:17,440 Perhaps. 234 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:22,440 Sometimes I have realized, friends, even when I go to God to 235 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,320 pray for forgiveness, I've realized deep down in my motives, 236 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:30,560 what I'm actually wanting from God is relief from my guilt. 237 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,840 Does that make sense, that little subtle nuance? 238 00:10:34,560 --> 00:10:39,240 I'm not actually trying to, like, pursue a restored relationship 239 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,440 with God or reconciliation or a transformed heart into God's love. 240 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:45,760 I just don't want to feel my guilt anymore. 241 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,200 And some of my guilt is from, like, stuff that I. 242 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:53,720 That I formed from my childhood, my understandings of God 243 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:54,400 from childhood. 244 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,200 That's one second thing that I think has hurt us. 245 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,000 Prayer is just like one thing. 246 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,400 What I mean by that is like, you've. 247 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:05,440 You've maybe been shaped like you've seen a lot of good prayers 248 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,280 and you thought like, oh, that's what good prayer looks like. 249 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:13,200 If I'm doing prayer, that's how I should be doing it. 250 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:13,960 And it. 251 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:17,440 And it looks like this, it sounds like this, it feels like this. 252 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,600 And along with that, there are only certain forms of prayer. 253 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:24,240 For example, maybe you got. 254 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,320 You didn't realize it, but maybe you got shaped in this idea 255 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,960 that complaining to God is not prayer. 256 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,520 Is complaining to God a prayer? 257 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,440 It can be. 258 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,560 Some of us have maybe been in traditions where it's like, complaining 259 00:11:39,560 --> 00:11:41,920 to God is a big fat no, no. 260 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,680 Number three, prayer is magic or superstition. 261 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,960 So by this one, I mean, like, if you pray, it's almost like a spell. 262 00:11:51,599 --> 00:11:54,960 Like hocus pocus, any hocus. 263 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,200 Am I offbeat here? 264 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,480 But like, Winifred Sanders, she's in her book. 265 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:02,110 She's got to do the prayer in the rhyming and the right, like, 266 00:12:02,110 --> 00:12:04,230 sequence, and then the spell happens. 267 00:12:05,030 --> 00:12:08,550 Well, maybe we have that idea about prayer that, like, if we're 268 00:12:08,550 --> 00:12:10,950 not getting it, oh, it's because I need to. 269 00:12:11,110 --> 00:12:12,750 I need to do it a certain way. 270 00:12:12,750 --> 00:12:14,310 I need to like, be really. 271 00:12:14,950 --> 00:12:16,790 I need to praise God to start. 272 00:12:16,870 --> 00:12:18,070 Be thankful to start. 273 00:12:18,150 --> 00:12:20,710 Really butter God up before I ask for it. 274 00:12:21,430 --> 00:12:22,230 And then. 275 00:12:22,870 --> 00:12:25,030 Then I might get it. 276 00:12:26,070 --> 00:12:29,750 Number four, prayer is obligation or religious task with 277 00:12:29,750 --> 00:12:31,670 which we prove ourselves worthy. 278 00:12:32,660 --> 00:12:36,820 Those are four things that I think maybe have been in the water 279 00:12:36,980 --> 00:12:40,180 with prayer around us and they've not helped. 280 00:12:41,140 --> 00:12:42,020 A, do you agree? 281 00:12:42,900 --> 00:12:46,820 B, is there anything you'd add to the list, forms of prayer or things 282 00:12:46,820 --> 00:12:49,460 about prayer that you've kind of been conditioned in that. 283 00:12:50,100 --> 00:12:50,660 Charles. 284 00:12:51,060 --> 00:12:52,460 Superstition prayer. 285 00:12:52,460 --> 00:12:55,780 I think sometimes for me, more formulaic. 286 00:12:56,020 --> 00:12:56,500 Yeah. 287 00:12:56,900 --> 00:12:58,520 Like, it almost. 288 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:59,280 If you have this. 289 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,120 If you had, like, a moment where you're really felt in touch 290 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,720 with God, it's almost like, yeah, yeah. 291 00:13:06,880 --> 00:13:08,360 It becomes formulaic. 292 00:13:08,360 --> 00:13:11,040 Maybe you're like, oh, the prayer was really working in this 293 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,800 season, so I want to make sure I repeat it over here in this season 294 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,040 so I reproduce the results. 295 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:17,280 So a superstition. 296 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:19,200 It's like an athlete who is. 297 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,800 Who keeps wearing the same. 298 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:24,560 We won't say underwear, but anyways, I just said underwear. 299 00:13:24,560 --> 00:13:27,160 So he keeps wearing the same underwear because they want to game 300 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:27,400 here. 301 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:28,160 And he's like, I can't. 302 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,260 I got to keep wearing that to win. 303 00:13:31,140 --> 00:13:32,900 What else, Shelby? 304 00:13:33,780 --> 00:13:35,460 Prayer as the solution. 305 00:13:35,540 --> 00:13:36,140 Okay. 306 00:13:36,140 --> 00:13:37,700 Yeah, that's right. 307 00:13:39,220 --> 00:13:41,380 You know, what else can I do? 308 00:13:41,940 --> 00:13:42,340 Right. 309 00:13:42,980 --> 00:13:46,300 Also, I think you always hear the thoughts of prayers and what 310 00:13:46,300 --> 00:13:46,900 are you doing? 311 00:13:48,980 --> 00:13:49,380 Right. 312 00:13:49,780 --> 00:13:51,140 That specifically. 313 00:13:51,460 --> 00:13:54,340 That specifically will come up later in the series. 314 00:13:54,340 --> 00:13:58,170 This thoughts and prayers is going to take center stage later 315 00:13:58,170 --> 00:13:58,810 in the series. 316 00:13:59,610 --> 00:13:59,970 Yeah. 317 00:13:59,970 --> 00:14:00,730 Like, prayer is the. 318 00:14:00,730 --> 00:14:00,970 The. 319 00:14:00,970 --> 00:14:01,250 The. 320 00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:02,610 Like the cure all kind of thing. 321 00:14:02,610 --> 00:14:03,290 Mandy. 322 00:14:04,010 --> 00:14:04,410 Yeah. 323 00:14:04,410 --> 00:14:04,970 Be the. 324 00:14:06,250 --> 00:14:06,650 Yeah. 325 00:14:06,650 --> 00:14:08,330 Be careful what you pray for. 326 00:14:09,450 --> 00:14:09,810 Right? 327 00:14:09,810 --> 00:14:10,170 Yeah. 328 00:14:10,170 --> 00:14:13,130 It's like, hey, if you pray for patience, God's gonna give you 329 00:14:13,130 --> 00:14:17,530 opportunities to learn patience, which, I mean, that's possible. 330 00:14:18,010 --> 00:14:18,970 It's very possible. 331 00:14:19,130 --> 00:14:21,970 But it's like, oh, shoot, I just prayed that God. 332 00:14:21,970 --> 00:14:22,890 Can I take that back? 333 00:14:22,890 --> 00:14:23,330 Cause I'm. 334 00:14:23,330 --> 00:14:26,250 I'm afraid how you're gonna use what I just said against me. 335 00:14:27,070 --> 00:14:27,710 Joanna. 336 00:14:28,030 --> 00:14:32,110 For me, a lot of times I think I'm praying to my heavenly Father, 337 00:14:32,190 --> 00:14:33,470 the one most high. 338 00:14:33,950 --> 00:14:34,910 He's holy. 339 00:14:35,390 --> 00:14:37,750 So how do I approach him? 340 00:14:37,750 --> 00:14:39,310 So I've been praying to Jesus for. 341 00:14:39,790 --> 00:14:43,270 Because in the white library, some verses where it's like, you 342 00:14:43,270 --> 00:14:44,390 couldn't just go to God. 343 00:14:44,390 --> 00:14:44,830 You had to do. 344 00:14:44,830 --> 00:14:48,190 You had to go for Jesus, but you so to use his knee sometimes. 345 00:14:48,190 --> 00:14:49,230 So a little bit of the. 346 00:14:49,630 --> 00:14:49,950 Yeah. 347 00:14:49,950 --> 00:14:50,630 If God is. 348 00:14:50,630 --> 00:14:50,910 Is. 349 00:14:50,910 --> 00:14:52,950 God is like, exalted, high mighty. 350 00:14:52,950 --> 00:14:53,630 How do I go? 351 00:14:54,230 --> 00:14:54,790 How do I go? 352 00:14:54,790 --> 00:14:55,510 Do I pray to. 353 00:14:55,750 --> 00:14:59,190 I've gotten this one a lot in my career, if you will. 354 00:14:59,590 --> 00:15:00,790 Who do I pray to? 355 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:05,670 If God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, should I go to the Spirit? 356 00:15:06,070 --> 00:15:07,030 Should I go to Jesus? 357 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:08,070 Should I go to the Father? 358 00:15:08,710 --> 00:15:11,590 And if it didn't work with the Father, maybe I'll go to Jesus now. 359 00:15:11,910 --> 00:15:13,110 You know, we, We, We. 360 00:15:13,110 --> 00:15:14,550 We become polytheists. 361 00:15:15,190 --> 00:15:16,870 I'm gonna go to this God now. 362 00:15:17,110 --> 00:15:17,590 They're the. 363 00:15:17,590 --> 00:15:19,350 They're all the same anyways. 364 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,960 It becomes the ritual over the relationship. 365 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:23,680 Yeah. 366 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:25,040 All right. 367 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:25,840 Oh, P.T. 368 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:26,320 go ahead. 369 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,400 Cursing is telling God what to do. 370 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:32,880 And I grew up in a faith tradition where it was just saying 371 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,120 if I stay in Jesus's name. 372 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:35,999 Right. 373 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,800 Because the Bible says you can ask for anything in Jesus's name 374 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:39,520 in the earth. 375 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,840 So if I decide in Jesus name. 376 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,840 Right, yeah, that's part of that superstition thing. 377 00:15:46,620 --> 00:15:48,620 Oh, wait, I didn't say in Jesus's name. 378 00:15:49,260 --> 00:15:51,820 So now my prayer is ineffective. 379 00:15:51,900 --> 00:15:52,300 Right. 380 00:15:52,780 --> 00:15:53,740 We're gonna also. 381 00:15:53,980 --> 00:15:57,660 That whole concept of asking for things in Jesus's name, those 382 00:15:57,660 --> 00:15:59,100 verses take center stage. 383 00:15:59,100 --> 00:16:01,260 One week, I think it's in two weeks. 384 00:16:02,220 --> 00:16:02,940 Kirsten. 385 00:16:03,900 --> 00:16:05,260 Maybe I shouldn't pray. 386 00:16:05,340 --> 00:16:07,340 Maybe God doesn't want to hear from me. 387 00:16:07,980 --> 00:16:12,120 Yeah, there's definitely a culture of, like, sometimes when 388 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:14,920 folks have, like, exalted the worthiness of God. 389 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:15,440 I'm not. 390 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:17,560 I'm not saying this is what you're saying, Kirsten. 391 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,000 But, like, God is so exalted, so worthy. 392 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,800 And then if we came from a prayer tradition when, like, human, 393 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:27,600 or a tradition where human beings are, like, wrecked, depraved, 394 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,040 there's a big gap that maybe psychologically is hard for us to 395 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:32,480 get over. 396 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,720 A shame gap, perhaps. 397 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,960 Jay, for me, the definition of trust. 398 00:16:40,040 --> 00:16:42,280 The definition of trust is prayer for you. 399 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:44,680 We'll hold onto that when we get to the end, Jay. 400 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:45,400 That's really important. 401 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,880 I'm gonna add a few more things that are blocks for prayer, 402 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,360 then you can interrupt me if you want. 403 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:51,080 Okay. 404 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,280 Here's something that Tyler Stanton says in his book. 405 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:55,160 Like, just. 406 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:58,640 He just starts doing stream of consciousness questions that we have, 407 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,160 perhaps that. 408 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:02,760 I think they sound legit to me. 409 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:04,680 Is prayer really necessary? 410 00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:07,760 If God is all powerful, that means he accomplishes what he wants 411 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,640 when he wants, right? 412 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:09,960 So why does he need me to ask? 413 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:11,840 Anybody had that thought. 414 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,120 Why does God sometimes seem to answer prayers, but only after a 415 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:17,840 long period of asking? 416 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:20,640 If the answer was yes, why did he make me sweat it out? 417 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:26,840 And he adds these to it, like, these are some things that he says. 418 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,280 Like, other are other blocks for prayer. 419 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:33,040 So the Series today, to relieve the suspense, we're going 420 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,520 to talk about why we don't pray. 421 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,840 And then, like, why we might reconsider prayer. 422 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:37,360 Okay. 423 00:17:38,010 --> 00:17:40,730 He talks about how we're afraid of being naive. 424 00:17:40,730 --> 00:17:44,410 What he means by that is, like, there's an undercurrent, maybe 425 00:17:44,410 --> 00:17:48,130 not even an undercurrent in our time, like, where we don't want 426 00:17:48,130 --> 00:17:49,130 to look stupid. 427 00:17:49,770 --> 00:17:50,490 Like, there's. 428 00:17:50,490 --> 00:17:51,090 There's more. 429 00:17:51,090 --> 00:17:51,490 There's. 430 00:17:51,490 --> 00:17:52,490 Maybe there's. 431 00:17:52,730 --> 00:17:58,250 There's a fear of, like, man, if I trust this God that, like, I 432 00:17:58,890 --> 00:17:59,250 will. 433 00:17:59,250 --> 00:18:00,890 People think I'm silly and foolish. 434 00:18:00,890 --> 00:18:03,930 Because ultimately sometimes you feel silly and foolish. 435 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,160 You're saying, I believe in this thing. 436 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,000 And then the same results are happening in the world. 437 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:11,080 Things aren't changing. 438 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,640 Your prayers don't seem to be changing things. 439 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,200 And people are like, look, this is silly. 440 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,920 We don't want to look naive or foolish. 441 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:20,600 We don't pray. 442 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,360 Number two, for fear of silence. 443 00:18:23,080 --> 00:18:24,680 Anybody got that one? 444 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:26,640 How do you do? 445 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,040 Do you do great with silence or not so great with silence? 446 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,200 Number three, we don't pray for fear of selfish motives. 447 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,360 In other words, he doesn't mean that. 448 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,480 Like, what he's saying is that maybe I'll go into prayer and I might 449 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:45,480 discover some things about myself in my heart that aren't. 450 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:47,640 I'm not so excited about. 451 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:48,800 Number four. 452 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,520 We pray for fear of doing it wrong. 453 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,120 That goes back to my thing about we're almost, like, proving 454 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:54,760 ourselves. 455 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,200 We gotta show that we're doing it right. 456 00:18:57,200 --> 00:18:58,680 We've got the right form down. 457 00:18:59,810 --> 00:19:01,370 These are some thoughts he has from the book. 458 00:19:01,370 --> 00:19:02,370 I'm gonna skip those. 459 00:19:03,410 --> 00:19:03,730 So. 460 00:19:03,730 --> 00:19:05,130 All right, I'm gonna tell you a story now. 461 00:19:05,130 --> 00:19:05,610 We're gonna. 462 00:19:05,610 --> 00:19:09,010 We're gonna switch to why you might pray, the why of prayer. 463 00:19:09,330 --> 00:19:12,650 We're gonna hang out with that for a little while today, this week, 464 00:19:12,650 --> 00:19:14,850 I realized someone defriended me on Facebook. 465 00:19:16,290 --> 00:19:16,850 Yeah. 466 00:19:17,810 --> 00:19:20,450 Yeah, someone defriended me on Facebook. 467 00:19:20,530 --> 00:19:22,610 That's the era in which we live now, right? 468 00:19:23,410 --> 00:19:23,810 I don't. 469 00:19:23,810 --> 00:19:25,850 Have you ever seen that commercial where there's some older 470 00:19:25,850 --> 00:19:26,970 ladies in a room together? 471 00:19:26,970 --> 00:19:30,590 And this gal's got literal pictures on her wall. 472 00:19:31,070 --> 00:19:32,510 It's her wall on Facebook. 473 00:19:32,910 --> 00:19:33,550 There used to. 474 00:19:33,550 --> 00:19:35,230 That used to be called your wall on Facebook. 475 00:19:35,310 --> 00:19:36,590 That's not a thing anymore. 476 00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:38,430 But they're in the room together. 477 00:19:38,430 --> 00:19:39,270 These ladies are. 478 00:19:39,270 --> 00:19:42,470 And an older lady looks at another one when her friend says 479 00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:43,190 something she doesn't like. 480 00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:44,910 She goes, I unfriend you. 481 00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:48,270 And, well, that literally happened to me. 482 00:19:48,270 --> 00:19:52,110 I. I realized someone came across my timeline. 483 00:19:52,110 --> 00:19:52,990 I clicked on Him. 484 00:19:52,990 --> 00:19:53,350 And it. 485 00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:53,790 And it. 486 00:19:54,220 --> 00:19:55,420 I was like, oh, my. 487 00:19:56,300 --> 00:19:57,980 This person unfriended me. 488 00:19:58,860 --> 00:20:04,460 And at first I was like, well, that was expected, because this is 489 00:20:04,860 --> 00:20:06,540 perhaps the toughest. 490 00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:08,220 It's not a family member. 491 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:09,580 It was. 492 00:20:09,580 --> 00:20:12,620 It was a previous work relationship. 493 00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:13,900 And. 494 00:20:14,140 --> 00:20:14,620 And it. 495 00:20:14,620 --> 00:20:15,740 And it didn't go well. 496 00:20:16,780 --> 00:20:22,020 And it continued to not go well even after we stopped working 497 00:20:22,020 --> 00:20:22,420 together. 498 00:20:23,220 --> 00:20:28,180 It is by far the toughest relationship I've had in my life. 499 00:20:29,380 --> 00:20:30,980 And when I first. 500 00:20:31,540 --> 00:20:34,540 When I first saw it, first of all, you might think, Ross, this 501 00:20:34,540 --> 00:20:35,460 is really petty. 502 00:20:35,940 --> 00:20:38,340 Well, this is the world we live in now, right? 503 00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:38,620 You. 504 00:20:38,620 --> 00:20:40,260 You get unfriended on online. 505 00:20:41,540 --> 00:20:46,300 So when I was in the midst of this relationship and feeling the 506 00:20:46,300 --> 00:20:49,580 pain and the anxiety and literally the sleepless nights from 507 00:20:49,580 --> 00:20:52,780 it, I decided to take Jesus at his word. 508 00:20:53,340 --> 00:20:55,620 And I started praying for my enemy. 509 00:20:55,620 --> 00:20:59,660 And by the way, I'm not talking about like, oh, I don't really 510 00:20:59,660 --> 00:21:00,260 have enemies. 511 00:21:00,260 --> 00:21:05,380 No, I felt like this guy was my enemy full stop, and I started 512 00:21:05,380 --> 00:21:06,460 praying for him. 513 00:21:07,340 --> 00:21:10,460 But when I did it, if you're like, Ross, you're so righteous. 514 00:21:10,540 --> 00:21:10,940 No. 515 00:21:11,020 --> 00:21:14,540 When I prayed for him, what came with my prayer was my hatred. 516 00:21:15,670 --> 00:21:18,390 Oh, my God, Ross, what is wrong with you? 517 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:22,230 But this is a quote that I want to bring to you today. 518 00:21:23,270 --> 00:21:27,190 CS Lewis says, we must lay before him what is in us, not what 519 00:21:27,190 --> 00:21:28,310 ought to be in us. 520 00:21:29,350 --> 00:21:32,750 CS Lewis says, well, we must lay before him what is in us, not 521 00:21:32,750 --> 00:21:33,910 what ought to be in us. 522 00:21:34,550 --> 00:21:38,470 When I prayed for this person, prayed blessing over his life, you 523 00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:39,910 know, what was in me? 524 00:21:41,030 --> 00:21:42,630 Let me just, like, spell out a few. 525 00:21:43,060 --> 00:21:46,020 Hatred, anger, resentment. 526 00:21:47,140 --> 00:21:49,860 Honestly, desire that he would get what's coming to him. 527 00:21:50,580 --> 00:21:52,580 Am I being too authentic right now? 528 00:21:53,220 --> 00:21:54,420 Nah, it's okay. 529 00:21:55,220 --> 00:21:56,660 No, he's not sitting here. 530 00:21:56,740 --> 00:21:58,340 No, no. 531 00:21:58,980 --> 00:22:03,220 Well, and he's not gonna see anything I'm saying because we're 532 00:22:03,220 --> 00:22:04,780 not friends on Facebook anymore. 533 00:22:04,780 --> 00:22:05,020 No. 534 00:22:05,020 --> 00:22:07,140 But no, he could come to heaven or church anyways. 535 00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:08,500 That's neither here nor there. 536 00:22:09,420 --> 00:22:11,180 What started was hatred in my heart. 537 00:22:11,980 --> 00:22:16,860 When I saw that on Facebook the other day, the first desire I 538 00:22:16,860 --> 00:22:21,100 had in my heart was to pray for him. 539 00:22:21,820 --> 00:22:25,500 And now this time, there was zero hatred in my heart. 540 00:22:26,460 --> 00:22:30,460 No hatred, no resentment, no anger. 541 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:31,900 Only love. 542 00:22:32,780 --> 00:22:39,450 And that's because I had listened to Jesus, practiced before. 543 00:22:39,450 --> 00:22:44,130 I understood, and I discovered the prayer, the power of prayer in 544 00:22:44,130 --> 00:22:44,890 the practice. 545 00:22:46,570 --> 00:22:49,770 Are me and this guy gonna be best buds anytime soon? 546 00:22:50,970 --> 00:22:53,290 No, I don't think so. 547 00:22:53,930 --> 00:22:55,450 But I have genuine. 548 00:22:55,450 --> 00:22:58,970 I'm not even faking it kind of deep love in my heart for him. 549 00:22:59,290 --> 00:23:05,880 I really do so that is one reason, one simple reason why we 550 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:06,280 pray. 551 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,360 Did prayer work in that scenario at least? 552 00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:15,560 In one sense, my heart's been changed and I know it right now. 553 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:16,519 I know it. 554 00:23:16,519 --> 00:23:17,760 There's skepticism in the room. 555 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,800 I said, this is a conversa, a series for beginners, experts and 556 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:21,400 skeptics. 557 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:24,920 People are like, well, hold on, Ross, wait a minute. 558 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:32,760 But what if somebody, like, really hurts you, like, really badly 559 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,360 and to pray for them is actually doing further harm? 560 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,560 Well, I can't tell you every scenario what to pray. 561 00:23:42,120 --> 00:23:47,080 I'm just bearing witness to like one situation where the practice 562 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:50,280 of prayer helped me to discover its power. 563 00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,840 I could have read 10 books on why you pray for your enemies and 564 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,720 I still wouldn't have found it except for the practice of it. 565 00:23:58,730 --> 00:24:00,130 So actually, we're going to end here today. 566 00:24:00,130 --> 00:24:06,570 We must lay before him what is in us, not what ought to be in us. 567 00:24:07,370 --> 00:24:10,330 The other one, the other quote that I love from this book is this 568 00:24:10,330 --> 00:24:11,050 one right here. 569 00:24:11,610 --> 00:24:15,450 Prayer is our humble answer to the inconceivable, conceivable surprise 570 00:24:15,450 --> 00:24:19,290 of living ultimately, like why we pray. 571 00:24:19,850 --> 00:24:24,290 Jay said it, I think, is this right here. 572 00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:29,500 Like, the one thing that we're doing in prayer, friends, is we're 573 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:32,020 trying to discover a deeper relationship. 574 00:24:32,900 --> 00:24:39,420 We're trying to like, discover a trust in God that transcends all 575 00:24:39,420 --> 00:24:39,780 things. 576 00:24:40,739 --> 00:24:44,420 Long before we, like, start doing methods of praying and like, 577 00:24:44,420 --> 00:24:46,100 what to pray and how to pray. 578 00:24:46,820 --> 00:24:49,620 Like, the center of prayer is relationship. 579 00:24:50,670 --> 00:24:53,870 Perhaps what's blocking us in prayer is what we are struggling 580 00:24:53,870 --> 00:24:57,070 with, like what the point of relationship or religion is to begin 581 00:24:57,070 --> 00:24:57,390 with. 582 00:24:58,350 --> 00:24:58,750 Right. 583 00:24:59,310 --> 00:25:02,590 We say in our narrative of beliefs here at Heaven Earth Church 584 00:25:02,590 --> 00:25:06,710 that the center of Christianity is a person, it's a 585 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:07,470 relationship. 586 00:25:08,510 --> 00:25:12,670 And so like, the center of faith is not a doctrine. 587 00:25:13,630 --> 00:25:14,110 It's. 588 00:25:14,350 --> 00:25:16,950 It's ultimately a relationship with the person. 589 00:25:16,950 --> 00:25:21,310 And so prayer is like where we go to forge that relationship and 590 00:25:21,310 --> 00:25:24,070 that trust or respond to that relationship or that trust. 591 00:25:24,470 --> 00:25:25,990 Have you ever had frustration? 592 00:25:26,150 --> 00:25:28,870 You've never had any frustrations in your relationships? 593 00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:29,190 Right? 594 00:25:30,150 --> 00:25:30,550 Right. 595 00:25:31,030 --> 00:25:32,550 They're all going swimmingly. 596 00:25:32,870 --> 00:25:33,350 Yes. 597 00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:36,310 With the people you love most especially. 598 00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:36,790 Right. 599 00:25:36,790 --> 00:25:38,350 They all just go fabulously. 600 00:25:38,350 --> 00:25:41,310 There's never hiccups, never communication issues. 601 00:25:41,310 --> 00:25:41,830 Yeah. 602 00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:47,010 Married folks, it's all, it's all awesome all the time. 603 00:25:47,010 --> 00:25:47,450 Yeah. 604 00:25:48,090 --> 00:25:49,610 Sunshine and rainbows. 605 00:25:50,650 --> 00:25:56,090 Well, I'm here to tell you your relationship with God is like 606 00:25:56,090 --> 00:26:00,370 that and sometimes might even be like more frustrating because 607 00:26:00,370 --> 00:26:05,290 it may feel like completely one sided, but nonetheless, like, 608 00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:10,610 for me, ultimately, like, the why of prayer is I do feel it's like 609 00:26:10,610 --> 00:26:15,640 a garden where I. I can read all the books about gardening and 610 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:18,800 watch all the YouTube videos and feel really insecure about my 611 00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,360 gardening. 612 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,160 But the thing that's helped me fall in love with garden gardening 613 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:28,080 is having my hands in the soil and failing the first season and 614 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:28,640 the second. 615 00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:32,960 But the more that I like, the more I saw fruit come onto the. 616 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:36,560 The plant, the more I was like, I want to keep doing this. 617 00:26:37,530 --> 00:26:38,930 Though I still don't know. 618 00:26:38,930 --> 00:26:44,650 As much as Jennifer Howard knows, her gardening setup is unbelievable. 619 00:26:44,650 --> 00:26:45,490 And Charles. 620 00:26:45,490 --> 00:26:46,130 Sorry, Charles. 621 00:26:46,130 --> 00:26:46,890 You too, man. 622 00:26:47,770 --> 00:26:49,010 He's just a laborer. 623 00:26:49,010 --> 00:26:53,450 Okay, so, like, that's actually not planned in the sermon. 624 00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:56,010 Pitch your wagons to a better gardener than you. 625 00:26:56,170 --> 00:26:56,770 Okay. 626 00:26:56,770 --> 00:26:58,490 And the same goes for prayer. 627 00:26:59,050 --> 00:27:02,450 I don't mean better like, they're doing it successfully or 628 00:27:02,450 --> 00:27:06,200 they're just a good prayer, like somebody who can, like, help 629 00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,880 you discover prayer. 630 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:13,320 Be around people who there's a richness from their prayer life, 631 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,280 not that they're doing it all the right way or their competent 632 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,279 prayers, like, be around people like, I still stink as a gardener. 633 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:21,560 No. 634 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,440 I still can't grow watermelons. 635 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:24,280 I don't know why, man. 636 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:25,240 It just doesn't happen. 637 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:26,840 Yeah, true. 638 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:28,360 All right. 639 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:30,360 Ultimately, I want to show you this. 640 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:30,880 This is. 641 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,580 This is why we pray, actually, right here. 642 00:27:34,660 --> 00:27:35,620 Anybody heard this? 643 00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:36,060 This. 644 00:27:36,060 --> 00:27:36,660 This verse? 645 00:27:36,820 --> 00:27:37,340 Did you? 646 00:27:37,340 --> 00:27:39,620 Who knew I was like, ross is going here today. 647 00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:44,260 You knew it was coming from Philippians chapter four. 648 00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:46,500 Don't be anxious about anything. 649 00:27:46,500 --> 00:27:47,380 Rather bring it. 650 00:27:47,380 --> 00:27:51,540 Bring up all your requests to God in your prayers and petitions, 651 00:27:51,620 --> 00:27:53,060 along with giving thanks. 652 00:27:54,100 --> 00:27:56,860 Then the peace of God that exceeds all understanding will keep 653 00:27:56,860 --> 00:27:58,900 your hearts and minds safe in Christ Jesus. 654 00:27:59,420 --> 00:28:01,020 It works just like that, doesn't it? 655 00:28:01,740 --> 00:28:04,700 If you're having an anxiety attack, the. 656 00:28:04,700 --> 00:28:05,380 The cure. 657 00:28:05,380 --> 00:28:07,980 All right, Shelby, you know what? 658 00:28:07,980 --> 00:28:08,860 I forgot? 659 00:28:09,180 --> 00:28:10,540 My heart is racing. 660 00:28:11,100 --> 00:28:12,540 My chest feels warm. 661 00:28:12,940 --> 00:28:13,980 I can't sleep. 662 00:28:14,300 --> 00:28:15,260 But thank God. 663 00:28:16,220 --> 00:28:18,620 I prayed and I gave thanks. 664 00:28:19,100 --> 00:28:25,710 And now, just like that, like magic, peace has filled my body when 665 00:28:25,710 --> 00:28:27,190 you say it in Jesus's name. 666 00:28:27,750 --> 00:28:28,070 Right? 667 00:28:28,070 --> 00:28:29,190 That's how it works, right? 668 00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:31,670 Joanna's fighting me right now. 669 00:28:31,670 --> 00:28:32,550 She goes, it can. 670 00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:35,950 Remember when I told you, be around a gardener? 671 00:28:35,950 --> 00:28:37,030 That's a little ahead of you. 672 00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:38,950 I'm a skeptic. 673 00:28:39,270 --> 00:28:40,390 I'm a skeptic. 674 00:28:40,869 --> 00:28:43,430 I need to be around a gardener who's an optimist. 675 00:28:44,230 --> 00:28:46,070 I don't have the gift of faith. 676 00:28:46,070 --> 00:28:48,070 I need to be around some people who do. 677 00:28:48,950 --> 00:28:49,590 I do. 678 00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:51,350 Because I'm a skeptic. 679 00:28:52,450 --> 00:28:53,010 You know what? 680 00:28:53,490 --> 00:28:54,250 I love that. 681 00:28:54,250 --> 00:28:55,490 Tyler Stanton does. 682 00:28:56,210 --> 00:28:59,810 He added the something from the Verse before verse six. 683 00:29:00,530 --> 00:29:01,810 And I was like, wait a minute. 684 00:29:01,810 --> 00:29:03,330 That's not part of verse six. 685 00:29:03,490 --> 00:29:04,930 You can't just add that in. 686 00:29:05,330 --> 00:29:06,530 That's in verse five. 687 00:29:07,170 --> 00:29:07,970 You cheated. 688 00:29:08,530 --> 00:29:12,450 I've never seen this last part of verse five added to this. 689 00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:13,690 And you know what? 690 00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:15,570 I was like, oh, wait a minute, Ross, you dummy. 691 00:29:16,290 --> 00:29:19,730 At one point, the scriptures had no spaces even. 692 00:29:20,290 --> 00:29:22,930 They were just Greek capital letters all run together. 693 00:29:23,810 --> 00:29:26,410 No punctuation, no chapters, no verses. 694 00:29:26,410 --> 00:29:27,570 It all just went together. 695 00:29:28,290 --> 00:29:29,490 So he can do it. 696 00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:31,650 It's this part he added. 697 00:29:31,970 --> 00:29:34,850 The Lord is near from verse 5. 698 00:29:35,490 --> 00:29:36,610 The Lord is near. 699 00:29:37,410 --> 00:29:39,090 Don't be anxious about anything. 700 00:29:39,650 --> 00:29:40,050 Now. 701 00:29:40,210 --> 00:29:41,570 Is that a cure all, Shelby? 702 00:29:41,970 --> 00:29:43,660 No, But. 703 00:29:44,460 --> 00:29:50,420 But as I've gardened and been frustrated in my gardening, has praying 704 00:29:50,420 --> 00:29:51,344 Philippians 4. 705 00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:53,980 6 immediately fixed my anxiety? 706 00:29:54,620 --> 00:30:00,380 No, but I have prayed this as a breath prayer probably a thousand 707 00:30:00,620 --> 00:30:01,020 times. 708 00:30:02,300 --> 00:30:04,300 A thousand times I've breathed in. 709 00:30:05,180 --> 00:30:09,800 The Lord is keeping my heart and mind safe in Christ Jesus, and 710 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,960 so I will not be anxious about anything. 711 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:18,000 And over time, like, my heart, my psyche, my spirit are shaped by 712 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:23,160 that prayer, and it's helped me to discover the nearness of God. 713 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,080 Tyler Stanton says that, like, ultimately, that's what we're trying 714 00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:30,360 to discover in prayer is, whoa, that's so small. 715 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,680 There's no way that we're going to be able to read that. 716 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:34,600 So let's not even go there. 717 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,040 One more story. 718 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:38,160 We. 719 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,280 How many people in the room do you know who Mother Teresa is? 720 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:42,320 How many people. 721 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:43,840 Raise your hands if you know who she is. 722 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:45,000 Okay. 723 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:45,760 Most of the room. 724 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,960 How many people who know her would say that you admire her to 725 00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:49,520 some extent? 726 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,560 Do you admire her? 727 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:51,280 Raise your hand. 728 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:52,320 Yeah. 729 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,280 When she was asked, like, about her life, and when she would 730 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,160 get so much attention, she would simply say, like, my life was 731 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:00,560 all a byproduct of prayer. 732 00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:03,320 It was all a byproduct of prayer. 733 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:08,320 All the care for orphans, all the visiting the darkest places in 734 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:08,760 the world. 735 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,360 So we love Mother Teresa. 736 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,440 Do we love the thing that she said made her Mother Teresa? 737 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:19,280 And can we at least have a curiosity about what we haven't discovered 738 00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:20,200 yet in prayer? 739 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,720 What if, for all of our tough experiences, our frustrations, our 740 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,100 confusions about prayer, what if there's a land we haven't discovered 741 00:31:30,100 --> 00:31:31,180 yet that is prayer? 742 00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:34,860 What if there's a beauty yet that we haven't known about prayer, 743 00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:37,660 and the only way we're going to discover it is by. 744 00:31:38,620 --> 00:31:39,020 Ah. 745 00:31:39,820 --> 00:31:41,700 I hate this sermon today, Ross. 746 00:31:41,700 --> 00:31:42,340 It stinks. 747 00:31:42,340 --> 00:31:43,420 You gave no answers. 748 00:31:44,140 --> 00:31:46,060 You actually gave me more frustration. 749 00:31:47,180 --> 00:31:49,620 Well, if you thought this series was just going to make you 750 00:31:49,620 --> 00:31:51,100 feel all better about prayer. 751 00:31:51,260 --> 00:31:51,740 Sorry. 752 00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:53,420 I want to help. 753 00:31:53,420 --> 00:31:58,680 You have, like, a heart to go to this land that hasn't been discovered 754 00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,000 yet. 755 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:02,440 And here's the thing that I. I end with today. 756 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,560 I had all these wonderful quotes from the book. 757 00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:08,040 And I'm not going to say any of them except for this one. 758 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,680 Pray as you can, not as you can't. 759 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,760 I have one like, I have homework for you. 760 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,520 And that's it this week. 761 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,480 Pray as you can, not as you can't. 762 00:32:20,930 --> 00:32:22,570 So here's what that looks like, Ross. 763 00:32:22,570 --> 00:32:26,250 I've really stopped praying because ultimately, if I actually 764 00:32:26,250 --> 00:32:29,530 go deep down in my heart I don't even know if I believe in God 765 00:32:29,530 --> 00:32:30,130 anymore. 766 00:32:30,610 --> 00:32:31,250 Pray that. 767 00:32:31,890 --> 00:32:32,850 Pray as you can. 768 00:32:33,810 --> 00:32:35,810 God, here's what this sounds like. 769 00:32:36,129 --> 00:32:37,570 I've been through so much. 770 00:32:38,610 --> 00:32:42,970 I've had so much silence from you that I don't even know if I believe 771 00:32:42,970 --> 00:32:43,810 in you anymore. 772 00:32:45,170 --> 00:32:48,620 I'm almost to the point of quitting, but I'm reaching out in 773 00:32:48,620 --> 00:32:50,260 prayer in hopes that you're still there. 774 00:32:50,740 --> 00:32:52,660 Pray as you can, not as you can't. 775 00:32:53,460 --> 00:32:57,700 God, I asked you for this thing with fullness of faith. 776 00:32:58,100 --> 00:32:59,460 My heart was pure. 777 00:32:59,700 --> 00:33:00,900 I had good motives. 778 00:33:00,900 --> 00:33:04,340 I asked you with persistence, and you did nothing. 779 00:33:05,220 --> 00:33:07,700 How long are you going to make me suffer like this? 780 00:33:08,340 --> 00:33:10,180 Pray as you can, not as you can't. 781 00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:15,890 I don't care if it's first thing in the morning, at lunch, at 782 00:33:15,890 --> 00:33:17,450 dinner, at night. 783 00:33:18,330 --> 00:33:20,650 Just try to show up in the garden. 784 00:33:21,370 --> 00:33:26,570 At some point, I'm gonna have to go to my garden and realize I 785 00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:28,810 gotta remove this nasty chicken wire. 786 00:33:29,769 --> 00:33:31,530 That might be step one. 787 00:33:32,170 --> 00:33:35,690 Maybe some of you are better gardeners than me and you already 788 00:33:35,770 --> 00:33:38,650 removed all that stuff and you're ready to just jump right in 789 00:33:38,650 --> 00:33:39,210 next season. 790 00:33:39,210 --> 00:33:40,130 I guarantee it. 791 00:33:40,130 --> 00:33:42,730 I don't mean to spotlight her, but I'll bet you Jennifer Howard's 792 00:33:42,730 --> 00:33:44,450 garden is already ready to go for the next season. 793 00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:45,450 Am I right, Jennife? 794 00:33:46,300 --> 00:33:47,260 We're working on it. 795 00:33:47,260 --> 00:33:47,580 See? 796 00:33:47,980 --> 00:33:49,980 See, she tried to downplay it. 797 00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:51,660 Pray as you can. 798 00:33:52,780 --> 00:33:54,220 My garden is a mess. 799 00:33:54,380 --> 00:33:57,660 Step one is to remove the first thing that's a mess in it. 800 00:33:57,980 --> 00:34:01,820 Or, heck, at least just go stand and look at it and go. 801 00:34:01,820 --> 00:34:04,460 Man, this garden is a wreck. 802 00:34:05,100 --> 00:34:07,100 I might have to redesign the whole thing. 803 00:34:07,820 --> 00:34:10,900 My garden is a silly mess of, like, cinder blocks. 804 00:34:10,900 --> 00:34:12,380 This is my raised garden bed. 805 00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:14,980 Cinder blocks that go around like this. 806 00:34:15,140 --> 00:34:18,420 It's so ugly, it still bears fruit. 807 00:34:19,060 --> 00:34:25,540 This ugly garden keeps giving me tomatoes and peppers and green 808 00:34:25,540 --> 00:34:26,020 beans. 809 00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:31,060 An ugly garden can still produce fabulous Fruit. 810 00:34:31,540 --> 00:34:34,740 And it can be frustrating and confusing. 811 00:34:35,140 --> 00:34:37,140 But there you will discover God. 812 00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:39,780 So go to the garden this week. 813 00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:43,100 Pray as you can, not as you can't. 814 00:34:43,740 --> 00:34:44,380 I'm done. 815 00:34:44,700 --> 00:34:45,580 Any thoughts? 816 00:34:46,540 --> 00:34:49,300 PT But I am touched. 817 00:34:49,300 --> 00:34:53,980 Almost every Sunday when Emily leads prayer at the Stadium Museum. 818 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:57,740 It is such a spiritual death of water. 819 00:34:58,780 --> 00:34:59,420 Amen. 820 00:34:59,820 --> 00:35:01,980 Emily's prayers are magnificent. 821 00:35:02,940 --> 00:35:04,060 Be around a. 822 00:35:04,300 --> 00:35:05,660 A seasoned gardener. 823 00:35:06,620 --> 00:35:08,860 I get to be around a seasoned gardener a lot. 824 00:35:09,900 --> 00:35:10,460 A lot. 825 00:35:11,900 --> 00:35:14,140 So praise God for Emily. 826 00:35:15,100 --> 00:35:16,220 Any other thoughts? 827 00:35:16,780 --> 00:35:17,860 They can be like Ross. 828 00:35:17,860 --> 00:35:19,820 Actually, I don't feel any better about prayer. 829 00:35:19,900 --> 00:35:20,620 That's fine. 830 00:35:21,100 --> 00:35:22,780 It wasn't going to happen in a week. 831 00:35:22,940 --> 00:35:23,580 Okay. 832 00:35:24,380 --> 00:35:24,980 Anybody? 833 00:35:24,980 --> 00:35:25,500 Thoughts? 834 00:35:26,220 --> 00:35:29,540 I think when you, you know, kind of going back to that, you know, 835 00:35:29,540 --> 00:35:32,300 focusing on the ritual or how am I supposed to pray? 836 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,880 You know, something that I have learned more recently is like 837 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,280 he knows what's in my heart and in my mind already. 838 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:45,080 So why am I like worried about the way I'm presenting that to him? 839 00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,000 Yeah, he has awareness of what is in my heart and my mind. 840 00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,960 So why am I splitting hairs about how to do it? 841 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:53,520 Our Father. 842 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,080 No way. 843 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,160 Sorry, Jesus. 844 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:57,240 What I wanted to say, no way. 845 00:35:57,240 --> 00:35:58,280 I'm a holy spirit. 846 00:35:59,010 --> 00:35:59,810 Pray as you can. 847 00:35:59,810 --> 00:36:04,050 Charles, your concluding thought there resonated with me too 848 00:36:04,690 --> 00:36:05,690 for a couple of reasons. 849 00:36:05,690 --> 00:36:09,770 What I was like, garden still produces quirky and sometimes I feel 850 00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:12,730 as if there's been those moments where don't know what to 851 00:36:12,730 --> 00:36:14,450 pray or just. 852 00:36:15,090 --> 00:36:18,210 It's not, it's not ritualistic. 853 00:36:18,210 --> 00:36:19,890 It's just honest. 854 00:36:21,090 --> 00:36:23,890 And that seemed to be whether it's root for it. 855 00:36:24,620 --> 00:36:25,500 Me perhaps. 856 00:36:25,820 --> 00:36:26,380 Yeah. 857 00:36:26,460 --> 00:36:30,540 The other thought with that is kind of like the, you know, the, 858 00:36:30,620 --> 00:36:33,020 you know, the atmosphere like AA or something. 859 00:36:33,660 --> 00:36:34,500 Keep coming back. 860 00:36:34,500 --> 00:36:38,500 It's, it's not necessarily coming back to the meetings or in 861 00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:39,500 this case prayer. 862 00:36:39,660 --> 00:36:43,580 It's just keep coming back to that practice for yourself. 863 00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:44,460 Yes. 864 00:36:44,940 --> 00:36:45,980 And for your own. 865 00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:47,980 In that case, the covenant for us. 866 00:36:48,620 --> 00:36:49,100 Yes. 867 00:36:49,260 --> 00:36:49,820 Yeah. 868 00:36:50,390 --> 00:36:53,270 Charles basically talks about keep showing up and you'll talk about 869 00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:56,550 that when I always hear this, people talk about the AA meetings 870 00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:59,190 that they love and always what they describe are the people who 871 00:36:59,190 --> 00:37:00,150 are in the meetings. 872 00:37:00,950 --> 00:37:03,910 It's the same big, big book for every 12 step meeting. 873 00:37:05,110 --> 00:37:06,950 They're all using the same material. 874 00:37:07,110 --> 00:37:08,390 It's the people in it. 875 00:37:08,390 --> 00:37:09,670 It's the relationships. 876 00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:11,350 The same thing with prayer. 877 00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:16,390 The one thing that we are cultivating in prayer is relationship. 878 00:37:17,340 --> 00:37:18,140 So one thing. 879 00:37:18,460 --> 00:37:19,100 Debbie. 880 00:37:22,460 --> 00:37:23,740 Prayer can be intimidating. 881 00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:27,420 You're just talking, you're having a conversation continual. 882 00:37:28,540 --> 00:37:31,740 Like I was at the wind sale and at the break library yesterday 883 00:37:31,740 --> 00:37:34,820 because I'M going to serve this guy that's like right on top 884 00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:40,380 of me, trying to get around me and tell then I had physical stories 885 00:37:40,380 --> 00:37:42,560 like kind of help me demonetize. 886 00:37:43,590 --> 00:37:46,070 Yeah, that's a great example. 887 00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:49,190 Pray as you can when you walk, when you drive. 888 00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:51,950 Maybe you're not a person who can sit still. 889 00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:54,310 Pray as you can pray when you're moving. 890 00:37:54,950 --> 00:37:58,310 Dina, and I'm asking you for something, 891 00:37:58,390 --> 00:38:00,150 I would say, well, thank you already. 892 00:38:00,710 --> 00:38:01,990 Like he's already done. 893 00:38:01,990 --> 00:38:03,430 He's already giving that. 894 00:38:03,590 --> 00:38:04,070 Yeah. 895 00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:07,510 So Dina, thanks. 896 00:38:07,590 --> 00:38:10,150 When you're asking you, thank God already. 897 00:38:10,700 --> 00:38:11,260 I love that. 898 00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:12,540 Yeah. 899 00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:13,420 Anybody else? 900 00:38:14,220 --> 00:38:17,700 Well, keep coming on the journey, keep showing up for this 901 00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:18,060 series. 902 00:38:18,780 --> 00:38:20,460 I think you'll be glad that you did. 903 00:38:20,460 --> 00:38:22,780 Let's, hey, let's pray. 904 00:38:23,660 --> 00:38:28,740 Lord, thank you that the desire of your heart, the joy of 905 00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:34,420 your heart, is to be with your people and so help us to go to the 906 00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:39,340 garden of prayer and to see you in the soil there with us. 907 00:38:40,380 --> 00:38:43,260 Help us to discover, not through our minds, but through our 908 00:38:43,260 --> 00:38:46,540 spirits the wonders of remaining in your love. 909 00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:53,860 Help us to find love for you, love for ourselves, love for our 910 00:38:53,860 --> 00:38:57,580 neighbors as we pray in Jesus name. 911 00:38:57,580 --> 00:38:58,140 Amen. 912 00:38:59,500 --> 00:39:03,980 Thank you for participating in the conversation happening at Heaven 913 00:39:03,980 --> 00:39:05,100 Earth Church. 914 00:39:05,580 --> 00:39:10,860 Your next opportunity to do so live is this Sunday morning, 9:30am 915 00:39:11,900 --> 00:39:16,460 Eastern Time, either at the main campus at 309 East Main in Whiteland, 916 00:39:16,460 --> 00:39:20,460 Indiana or online at YouTube Live. 917 00:39:20,860 --> 00:39:28,220 That's@YouTube.com heavenerthchurch the audio podcast 918 00:39:28,220 --> 00:39:33,700 is always available at Apple Podcast and on Spotify. 919 00:39:34,180 --> 00:39:38,500 You can help others find out about the Heaven Earth Church podcast 920 00:39:38,820 --> 00:39:43,540 by going to Apple Podcast and or Spotify and leaving a five star 921 00:39:43,620 --> 00:39:45,220 rating and your review. 922 00:39:46,020 --> 00:39:49,940 Instructions on how to do just that and links are in the show notes. 923 00:39:50,820 --> 00:39:56,430 You can always find out more by going to the church website heavenearthchurch.org 924 00:39:57,390 --> 00:39:57,670 we 925 00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:59,870 want to thank you for spending time with us today. 926 00:40:00,030 --> 00:40:03,310 My name is Ross Stackhouse, the pastor to Heaven Earth Church 927 00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:07,030 and you may think out there that your story is over, but in fact 928 00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:10,190 your faith story may just be beginning. 929 00:40:10,430 --> 00:40:13,270 If you want more information about our church or you're interested 930 00:40:13,270 --> 00:40:17,230 in the next step, you can go to heavenorthchurch.org otherwise 931 00:40:17,390 --> 00:40:18,530 we look forward to being with you. 932 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,480 You next time at the Heaven Earth Church podcast.