Welcome to the
Vesna:Peak Revival Podcast.
Vesna:My name is Ner, and
Vesna:today I'm gonna talk
Vesna:about working Wiser.
Vesna:Why Soft power is the new
Vesna:leadership edge for women?
Vesna:Hustle culture told women
Vesna:that we could do it all,
Vesna:but we feel like we are
Vesna:failing at everything.
Vesna:And we're not breaking the
Vesna:glass ceiling.
Vesna:We're leading into burnout.
Vesna:And today, ambitious women
Vesna:are redefining power.
Vesna:Not to be the loudest voice
Vesna:in the room, but to be the
Vesna:calmest and the future of
Vesna:leadership is soft power.
Vesna:So it's not weak, but
Vesna:it's working wiser.
Vesna:Are we seeing an end
Vesna:to hustle culture?
Vesna:So I think, you know, I did
Vesna:an episode back episode 50.
Vesna:I talked about the drivers
Vesna:for women and the drivers
Vesna:of ambitious women,
Vesna:why we wanna succeed.
Vesna:Like it's not just, financial
Vesna:gain and looking after family.
Vesna:There is actually
Vesna:more drivers to that.
Vesna:And one of the new drivers
Vesna:that we are seeing, or
Vesna:I'm certainly seeing
Vesna:is women redefining
Vesna:success on their terms.
Vesna:So they've gotten to
Vesna:a place where, there's
Vesna:no work life balance.
Vesna:They're not really enjoying
Vesna:their personal life because
Vesna:their work is kind of bleeding
Vesna:into their personal life.
Vesna:They're burnt out, they're
Vesna:exhausted, the mental load
Vesna:is too big, and they're
Vesna:kind of stepping back
Vesna:and going, do I wanna
Vesna:continue life for another
Vesna:five, 10 years like this?
Vesna:And they are looking
Vesna:at redefining success
Vesna:on their terms.
Vesna:So I see a lot of my clients,
Vesna:they're brilliant at what
Vesna:they do, but they're burnt
Vesna:out, right, and it, when they
Vesna:weigh it up, it doesn't seem
Vesna:like it's worthwhile to be
Vesna:relying on caffeine and sugar
Vesna:and late nights in order to
Vesna:get where they wanna get to.
Vesna:They're looking at things
Vesna:through a different lens now.
Vesna:So I've seen some stats
Vesna:recently that up to 70% of
Vesna:women say they feel burnt out.
Vesna:42% of leaders are considering
Vesna:stepping back from their
Vesna:role, and women are unable
Vesna:to switch off from work.
Vesna:So when they get home,
Vesna:they're still jumping
Vesna:on their laptops, and
Vesna:if they're working
Vesna:remotely, then there's.
Vesna:Still, were doing those
Vesna:last emails late into the
Vesna:night, and so this just
Vesna:leaves women feeling anxious,
Vesna:like there's so much mental
Vesna:load that they're carrying.
Vesna:They feel fatigued and
Vesna:overworked and overwhelmed
Vesna:because they're always on.
Vesna:then I see for my clients
Vesna:is that their nervous system
Vesna:always stays kind of stuck
Vesna:in this on state, right?
Vesna:So kind of functional freeze.
Vesna:And so that just means
Vesna:their nervous system can
Vesna:never relax and so their
Vesna:body can never recover.
Vesna:And so they're operating
Vesna:on this high level of
Vesna:stress that they become
Vesna:accustomed to, right?
Vesna:And then what we see in what
Vesna:I see in my work is that there
Vesna:is downstream effects of being
Vesna:always on and always stressed.
Vesna:But again, so when I see
Vesna:this client, they're very.
Vesna:Accustomed to this
Vesna:level of stress, right?
Vesna:And so it's not until
Vesna:something is even more
Vesna:stressful than that,
Vesna:that it kind of registers
Vesna:that, oh, I'm not
Vesna:handling things very well.
Vesna:I'm not coping with
Vesna:this very well.
Vesna:What is wrong?
Vesna:but actually the
Vesna:nervous system is kind
Vesna:of stuck in this mode
Vesna:for most of the time.
Vesna:So what is soft power?
Vesna:Right?
Vesna:So, you know, I remember
Vesna:back in the day I went
Vesna:into a corporate job and
Vesna:I, and it was really.
Vesna:male driven, like all the
Vesna:men were in leadership roles.
Vesna:And it was rough and it
Vesna:was rude, and it was such a
Vesna:different environment to, the
Vesna:corporate environment today.
Vesna:And so we've come a
Vesna:long way, but I think we
Vesna:still have further to go.
Vesna:And I think it's tapping
Vesna:into more kind of this
Vesna:soft power, more innate
Vesna:skills that we have rather
Vesna:than relying on this.
Vesna:the skills that it may be more
Vesna:masculine or ways of showing
Vesna:up and communicating that
Vesna:maybe we've seen in the past,
Vesna:but really tapping into more
Vesna:kind of these soft skills.
Vesna:So we are looking at
Vesna:emotional intelligence.
Vesna:So Harvard recently said
Vesna:that leaders with high
Vesna:emotional intelligence
Vesna:outperform others by 20%
Vesna:so that's really interesting.
Vesna:So that's really key, right?
Vesna:20% is huge jump.
Vesna:So emotional intelligence
Vesna:is recognizing your
Vesna:own emotions, right?
Vesna:So when you are having
Vesna:something, you know you're
Vesna:going about your day,
Vesna:you're feeling anxious, or
Vesna:you're feeling angry, or
Vesna:you're feeling triggered.
Vesna:It is being able to recognize.
Vesna:Your own emotions and
Vesna:understand why you feel the
Vesna:way that you do, and in
Vesna:that way, helping to regulate
Vesna:your own emotions because.
Vesna:When we get caught up in
Vesna:our own emotions, it's very
Vesna:hard for us to see clearly.
Vesna:Right?
Vesna:And so, you know, we go
Vesna:into a stress response.
Vesna:We get really tunnel vision.
Vesna:We can catastrophize, we
Vesna:can focus in on one thing.
Vesna:And that's generally what
Vesna:happens when we're stressed.
Vesna:And so.
Vesna:All of our focus and attention
Vesna:goes onto the one thing
Vesna:and we're we are creating
Vesna:bigger emotions, right?
Vesna:Harder emotions.
Vesna:Stronger emotions,
Vesna:heavy emotions, right?
Vesna:And so it's very hard
Vesna:to be clear, to be
Vesna:productive, you know, have
Vesna:perspective from that place.
Vesna:Know what the next
Vesna:step is to do, right?
Vesna:Because the emotions
Vesna:have taken so much of our
Vesna:energy and our head space.
Vesna:The other part of emotional
Vesna:intelligence is once you
Vesna:can recognise your own
Vesna:emotions and the source of
Vesna:your emotions, then you can
Vesna:recognise them in others.
Vesna:And this is empathy.
Vesna:So this is being able to
Vesna:step into somebody else's
Vesna:shoes and understand
Vesna:from their perspective.
Vesna:So if there's a situation
Vesna:at work or in your business
Vesna:or at home, rather than
Vesna:just seeing things from your
Vesna:point of view because your
Vesna:emotions are so strong and
Vesna:you're so irritated, you're
Vesna:frustrated, you feel hard
Vesna:done by whatever it is.
Vesna:But having empathy has
Vesna:being able to step into
Vesna:somebody else's shoes
Vesna:and say, oh, I can see
Vesna:it from your perspective.
Vesna:Right.
Vesna:I can see what you're saying.
Vesna:And this is really important
Vesna:because then you'll respond
Vesna:appropriately to your
Vesna:emotions and to others,
Vesna:particularly in the workplace.
Vesna:So emotional intelligence
Vesna:is your ability to notice,
Vesna:understand, and manage
Vesna:your emotions, your own
Vesna:and other people's so you
Vesna:can respond wisely instead
Vesna:of reacting on autopilot.
Vesna:Okay?
Vesna:Instead of making rash
Vesna:decisions, reacting
Vesna:emotionally, withdrawing,
Vesna:whatever your pattern
Vesna:is, which creates
Vesna:a harder workplace.
Vesna:And creates a lot
Vesna:more stress on you.
Vesna:At the end of the day,
Vesna:it's going to be taxing
Vesna:for your nervous system.
Vesna:If we can't regulate our
Vesna:emotions, if our emotions
Vesna:last one minute, two minutes,
Vesna:something ticks us off and
Vesna:it's gone after an hour.
Vesna:Right?
Vesna:That's, that's fine.
Vesna:That's normal.
Vesna:But it's when we feel like
Vesna:that for the whole day, it's
Vesna:when we feel like that for a
Vesna:week, you may be coming into
Vesna:your work or into a business
Vesna:or in a relationship, and
Vesna:you may be feeling those
Vesna:emotions all the time.
Vesna:And that's a problem, right?
Vesna:So unable to regulate
Vesna:your emotions is going
Vesna:to be a problem for your
Vesna:energy, for your nervous
Vesna:system, for your, for your
Vesna:mental wellbeing, right?
Vesna:Your mental health.
Vesna:And it's exhausting
Vesna:at the end of the day.
Vesna:The other soft power
Vesna:is intuition, right?
Vesna:This is not something
Vesna:that is often spoken
Vesna:about, but intuition is
Vesna:that inner knowing, okay?
Vesna:And it's really powerful.
Vesna:Women have a really
Vesna:strong intuition and it's
Vesna:often ignored because
Vesna:women choose the logical,
Vesna:the rational, the.
Vesna:The, you know, analytical
Vesna:mind comes up with, you
Vesna:know, the pros and cons and
Vesna:what the solutions should
Vesna:be, and we overthink things,
Vesna:but actually our intuition
Vesna:is much more accurate and
Vesna:it leads to making better
Vesna:decisions and quicker
Vesna:decisions Under pressure.
Vesna:We can spot red flags
Vesna:that other people miss.
Vesna:We know when to push forward
Vesna:versus when to pause,
Vesna:and we can sense what
Vesna:people need emotionally.
Vesna:So it's a really powerful.
Vesna:Ability, innate ability to
Vesna:understand when something's
Vesna:off, to have a knowing
Vesna:that comes from somewhere
Vesna:that didn't come from
Vesna:your analytical mind.
Vesna:Because the way that I see
Vesna:it, our analytical mind, we're
Vesna:always kind of regurgitating
Vesna:the same kind of ideas that
Vesna:we had from a week ago or
Vesna:a month ago, or a year ago,
Vesna:or 10 years ago, right?
Vesna:So our analytical mind
Vesna:will only go to the
Vesna:past what we've done.
Vesna:And project it into the
Vesna:future to see if that's
Vesna:going to work right.
Vesna:And so we're not getting some
Vesna:fresh, new ideas there, but
Vesna:our intuition, which is very
Vesna:accurate, will give us new
Vesna:ideas and ability to solve
Vesna:our problems and to sense
Vesna:when something's not right.
Vesna:But we need to
Vesna:value that, right?
Vesna:We need to.
Vesna:Value that more than
Vesna:just our analytical mind.
Vesna:And I think for a lot
Vesna:of people, we are so
Vesna:accustomed, again, to
Vesna:relying on the analytical
Vesna:mind, the rational response,
Vesna:the right thing to do.
Vesna:Okay?
Vesna:And sometimes intuition can
Vesna:be completely out of left
Vesna:field, And so therefore, if
Vesna:we are not used to following
Vesna:that inner knowing, we may
Vesna:not trust it and we may
Vesna:do what we've always done
Vesna:and get the same results.
Vesna:Intuition also protects
Vesna:you from overthinking.
Vesna:So if you've ever been in
Vesna:a stuck situation, which I
Vesna:certainly have, where you
Vesna:dunno what to do and you
Vesna:overthink the scenario,
Vesna:Friends will tell me, oh,
Vesna:I do my pros and cons list,
Vesna:you know, and that's great.
Vesna:You know, that gives you
Vesna:a rational mind, a bit
Vesna:of, some perspective.
Vesna:Okay.
Vesna:But really your inner knowing
Vesna:or your intuition is going
Vesna:to come forward and give
Vesna:you the right answers.
Vesna:And when we're stuck in that
Vesna:overthinking, it's because
Vesna:one, we're not listening
Vesna:to the intuition, or it
Vesna:hasn't come forward yet.
Vesna:Okay?
Vesna:And so the power of
Vesna:intuition is that we don't
Vesna:get stuck in overthinking.
Vesna:We don't get stuck in
Vesna:analysis paralysis.
Vesna:And it leads to more
Vesna:authentic leadership.
Vesna:And then we have empathy,
Vesna:which I talked about being
Vesna:able to understand what
Vesna:someone else is experiencing,
Vesna:being able to step into
Vesna:their shoes, which is so
Vesna:important as a leader.
Vesna:And then we have
Vesna:clarity under pressure.
Vesna:So emotional intelligence
Vesna:gives us clarity under
Vesna:pressure, which means instead
Vesna:of being caught up with.
Vesna:All the noise and all the
Vesna:chaos in our head and our
Vesna:emotions, we are able to step
Vesna:back and feel really clear and
Vesna:we make better decisions from
Vesna:that place, and we have access
Vesna:to our natural resilience.
Vesna:So as you can see, as
Vesna:I'm talking through all
Vesna:of this, this is really
Vesna:powerful soft skills, right?
Vesna:This is, these are
Vesna:really powerful skills
Vesna:or soft power that we
Vesna:can bring into our roles.
Vesna:It doesn't need to be the
Vesna:hustle and the grind and
Vesna:the, you Pushing yourself
Vesna:and overthinking things and
Vesna:working until you work it
Vesna:out right We have access
Vesna:to better tools that maybe
Vesna:you may not be aware of
Vesna:or you may not rely on.
Vesna:Okay.
Vesna:So that's something
Vesna:that I see all the time.
Vesna:Women, when I talk about
Vesna:this stuff, they're like, oh
Vesna:yeah, that makes total sense.
Vesna:Right.
Vesna:That makes so much sense.
Vesna:And until you see it for
Vesna:yourself, it's not something
Vesna:that you are going to rely on.
Vesna:You're still gonna go to
Vesna:strategies that you feel
Vesna:are more helpful to you.
Vesna:But until you see it and
Vesna:the power of it, and when
Vesna:you do, then you will learn
Vesna:to rely on it and you'll
Vesna:learn to trust in that.
Vesna:And you'll learn to wait
Vesna:for intuition and you know
Vesna:that inner knowingness
Vesna:or to be able to regulate
Vesna:your, like those things
Vesna:will be important to you.
Vesna:So like I said, I see women
Vesna:now, you know, women who have.
Vesna:Who are still ambitious, but
Vesna:they wanna have success on
Vesna:their terms, which means,
Vesna:she wants to have it all,
Vesna:but not at the cost of her
Vesna:health, her happiness, her
Vesna:peace, or her relationships.
Vesna:And so there's a difference
Vesna:between a high performer
Vesna:and a high achiever.
Vesna:So a high performer can push
Vesna:through to have success in
Vesna:all areas at the cost of their
Vesna:own wellbeing and perhaps
Vesna:even their relationships.
Vesna:Whereas a high performer
Vesna:wants all of those things.
Vesna:But also the health
Vesna:and the wellbeing and
Vesna:the good relationships.
Vesna:so really soft power is
Vesna:the redefine a driver.
Vesna:So the woman who has been
Vesna:through the ambitious burnout
Vesna:and is now like, you know,
Vesna:I do want it all, but I,
Vesna:I want it all of my terms.
Vesna:I want both achievement
Vesna:and I want wellbeing.
Vesna:Right?
Vesna:And so she's driven to build
Vesna:a life that feels good and
Vesna:looks good inside and out.
Vesna:So what are the ways
Vesna:that we can increase
Vesna:emotional intelligence?
Vesna:Right?
Vesna:And you know, I look at
Vesna:two very basic ways we look
Vesna:at our physical health.
Vesna:So how much we sleep.
Vesna:You know, the power of
Vesna:eight before 10, going to
Vesna:bed by, 10:00 PM getting
Vesna:eight hours of sleep.
Vesna:Our brain processes our
Vesna:emotions overnight, right?
Vesna:We're not getting
Vesna:that sleep time.
Vesna:That's not happening.
Vesna:We're gonna wake up and
Vesna:we are gonna already
Vesna:have a lot on our mind.
Vesna:We just need a little bit
Vesna:more in our mind to tip
Vesna:us over the edge, right?
Vesna:So we need that sleep.
Vesna:We need to put good
Vesna:food into our body.
Vesna:You know, sugar and caffeine.
Vesna:All these things would disrupt
Vesna:the blood glucose levels.
Vesna:We have insulin
Vesna:receptors in the brain.
Vesna:That's all gonna be
Vesna:messed up in there, right?
Vesna:And so we know that.
Vesna:Food influences our
Vesna:mental state, okay?
Vesna:And sugar is one of
Vesna:those foods if we
Vesna:have too much of it.
Vesna:We miss meals.
Vesna:We have processed foods
Vesna:that is gonna mess with
Vesna:the chemistry in our
Vesna:head, and we are not
Vesna:going to feel that sense
Vesna:of balance or resilience.
Vesna:And we're gonna react, right?
Vesna:We're gonna get highs and
Vesna:lows and highs and lows.
Vesna:And so the food that you
Vesna:put into your body, the
Vesna:habits that you keep,
Vesna:are going to impact your
Vesna:emotional intelligence
Vesna:because if you are.
Vesna:You know, your blood
Vesna:sugar levels are low.
Vesna:You didn't get enough
Vesna:sleep the night before.
Vesna:You are not going to
Vesna:be able to understand
Vesna:your own emotions, let
Vesna:alone somebody else's.
Vesna:Right?
Vesna:You are not gonna be tapped
Vesna:into your inner knowing.
Vesna:Your body is just trying
Vesna:to survive, right?
Vesna:Your stress response is
Vesna:on and you're just trying
Vesna:to get through the day.
Vesna:So we don't wanna
Vesna:be in that state.
Vesna:So that's one that's
Vesna:a physical sense.
Vesna:And then we've gotta
Vesna:look at the mental and
Vesna:emotional place, right?
Vesna:So at the end of
Vesna:the day, the more.
Vesna:We get stuck in our minds.
Vesna:The more noise that we
Vesna:have in our head, the less
Vesna:bandwidth that we have,
Vesna:which means our ability
Vesna:to regulate our emotions,
Vesna:to have empathy, to access
Vesna:to intuition is lowered.
Vesna:Okay.
Vesna:And a busy mind doesn't
Vesna:equal a busy life.
Vesna:Okay?
Vesna:A busy mind is a busy.
Vesna:Right.
Vesna:And so this is something
Vesna:that I try to help women
Vesna:see because sometimes they
Vesna:think it's, oh, you know,
Vesna:I've gotta do this, I've
Vesna:gotta respond to that email.
Vesna:Then I've got this meeting,
Vesna:and then I've gotta go pick
Vesna:up my kids, and then I've
Vesna:gotta go to the supermarket.
Vesna:And then that's a
Vesna:busy mind, right?
Vesna:And that's a lot going on.
Vesna:Whereas you will notice
Vesna:days where you can get a lot
Vesna:done without all the noise.
Vesna:And some days the noise is
Vesna:so high and actually you
Vesna:don't get as much done.
Vesna:With a lot more ease, right?
Vesna:So we've gotta look at our
Vesna:bandwidth, we've gotta look
Vesna:at that mental clarity, which
Vesna:is really important part of
Vesna:having emotional intelligence
Vesna:or having these soft skills.
Vesna:Because if we don't have
Vesna:space in there, it's gonna
Vesna:be very hard for us to
Vesna:have perspective, to be
Vesna:rational, to be in touch
Vesna:without, you know, knowing
Vesna:and to be able to regulate
Vesna:our emotions, right?
Vesna:To not get caught
Vesna:up in our emotions.
Vesna:So I hope this was helpful.
Vesna:I'd love to hear
Vesna:your comments below.
Vesna:Have you, are you someone
Vesna:that's kind of done the
Vesna:hustle and the grind and
Vesna:you got to this place
Vesna:and went, you know what?
Vesna:I can have it all, but I'm
Vesna:gonna have it all in my terms.
Vesna:Like, have you
Vesna:made that decision?
Vesna:Because I do think it's a
Vesna:decision and we don't see
Vesna:that beforehand because we
Vesna:don't value our personal
Vesna:wellbeing until we hit
Vesna:burnout or we get sick or
Vesna:something goes wrong in our
Vesna:relationships or our life.
Vesna:Then.
Vesna:We value it, unfortunately,
Vesna:sometimes it takes
Vesna:that happening.
Vesna:So I'd love to know in the
Vesna:comments is that you, are you
Vesna:redefining success on your
Vesna:terms and what are you doing
Vesna:differently based on that?
Vesna:Leave a comment
Vesna:and let me know.