1 00:00:03,565 --> 00:00:07,425 Marvin: Hey folks it's marvin cash the host of the articulate fly we're back with another 2 00:00:07,425 --> 00:00:11,825 Marvin: casting angles with mac brown mac how are you i'm. 3 00:00:11,825 --> 00:00:13,125 Mac: Doing great how are you marvin. 4 00:00:13,125 --> 00:00:16,405 Marvin: As always i'm just trying to stay out of trouble and you know i think we were 5 00:00:16,405 --> 00:00:20,405 Marvin: talking before we started recording that i think cool weather may be coming 6 00:00:20,405 --> 00:00:23,045 Marvin: early to the mid-atlantic it. 7 00:00:23,045 --> 00:00:27,025 Mac: Is it's it's been really nice in the evening up here, and we're starting to 8 00:00:27,025 --> 00:00:31,865 Mac: get down in the 50s, like upper 50s, and I think they're calling by the end 9 00:00:31,865 --> 00:00:34,565 Mac: of the week we're going to be down in the low 50s, which will feel kind of like 10 00:00:34,565 --> 00:00:36,245 Mac: fall again. So that'll be nice. 11 00:00:37,365 --> 00:00:41,845 Marvin: Yeah, I'm eager for anything we can do to get this humidity out of here. 12 00:00:41,905 --> 00:00:43,345 Marvin: It's been too muggy this summer. 13 00:00:44,925 --> 00:00:48,645 Mac: It has. It's been a hot summer. I mean, even for here, we spent a lot of days 14 00:00:48,645 --> 00:00:52,105 Mac: in the upper 80s, which I don't remember a lot of summers. 15 00:00:52,105 --> 00:00:55,925 Mac: Summers i've moved up here in 87 1987 and 16 00:00:55,925 --> 00:00:59,325 Mac: i don't think i remember many summers where we stayed in the upper 80s like 17 00:00:59,325 --> 00:01:03,585 Mac: we did this summer so it's been hotter than normal and so i'm looking forward 18 00:01:03,585 --> 00:01:08,185 Mac: to definitely getting cooled off and having a lot better cool cool mornings 19 00:01:08,185 --> 00:01:14,045 Mac: it's going to really help with the rain the last four days we've had pretty pretty good rainfall, 20 00:01:15,145 --> 00:01:18,865 Mac: not like blowout kind of rainfall but just enough to keep cooling the waters 21 00:01:18,865 --> 00:01:23,805 Mac: and give the grass and plants some some liquid we went about four or five weeks 22 00:01:23,805 --> 00:01:26,345 Mac: with no rain so it's been really nice yeah. 23 00:01:26,345 --> 00:01:30,985 Marvin: And so you know obviously we've got you know six weeks before the stocking truck 24 00:01:30,985 --> 00:01:32,565 Marvin: shows up what are you seeing on the water. 25 00:01:32,565 --> 00:01:38,565 Mac: We've been going after a lot of browns up in the mostly in the national park 26 00:01:38,565 --> 00:01:43,165 Mac: and uh we've been we've been doing a lot of brown trout fishing with terrestrials 27 00:01:43,165 --> 00:01:48,705 Mac: the last uh month has really been full of doing that with chasing browns. 28 00:01:48,705 --> 00:01:50,585 Mac: It's like inchworms, ants, beetles. 29 00:01:51,145 --> 00:01:55,425 Mac: That's pretty much all we've thrown. We've not thrown any aquatic type flies 30 00:01:55,425 --> 00:01:58,125 Mac: for the last month. Everything's been terrestrial stuff. 31 00:01:58,865 --> 00:02:03,705 Mac: That's been a lot of fun early in the morning at daylight, starting at 6.30 32 00:02:03,705 --> 00:02:09,785 Mac: and we're pretty much done by 11 every morning. The brown trout fishing's been really fun. 33 00:02:10,825 --> 00:02:15,465 Marvin: Yeah. It's funny too, because I would say like the beetle is my secret weapon 34 00:02:15,465 --> 00:02:18,505 Marvin: on the South Holston when all those guys are trying to do the little itty bitty 35 00:02:18,505 --> 00:02:23,625 Marvin: fiddly mayflies, either a small beetle or like a June bug submerged to me has 36 00:02:23,625 --> 00:02:24,945 Marvin: always been the way to get out of jail. 37 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:33,455 Mac: Yeah, I mean, it really does call out those predatory fish, like to see a beetle. 38 00:02:33,575 --> 00:02:37,655 Mac: I mean, it's kind of funny, like the numbers of fish the last month have all 39 00:02:37,655 --> 00:02:41,015 Mac: been, I don't think we've had but a handful of rainbows. 40 00:02:41,095 --> 00:02:45,115 Mac: But rainbow don't like the water temp like where it is right now. 41 00:02:45,175 --> 00:02:47,735 Mac: They're as easy as brown trout will see through it, you know. 42 00:02:48,035 --> 00:02:50,535 Mac: And it's like rainbow will get good again in the fall. 43 00:02:51,155 --> 00:02:54,915 Mac: So it just is kind of a natural progression this 44 00:02:54,915 --> 00:02:57,695 Mac: time of year to focus in on browns you know a lot 45 00:02:57,695 --> 00:03:00,475 Mac: of people will say go up high try to catch brook trout 46 00:03:00,475 --> 00:03:04,215 Mac: but even that up high with it as hot as it's been you know that's going to suffer 47 00:03:04,215 --> 00:03:09,195 Mac: because brook trout really don't like that kind of hot water either so the only 48 00:03:09,195 --> 00:03:12,675 Mac: natural thing we've got rainbows browns and brooks we got a lot of you know 49 00:03:12,675 --> 00:03:17,375 Mac: wild brook trout but the only natural thing to be going for in my opinion is 50 00:03:17,375 --> 00:03:19,715 Mac: chasing browns up high Because, I mean, 51 00:03:19,795 --> 00:03:24,175 Mac: if you want to have good fishery, the water temp, I mean, in the morning still, 52 00:03:24,215 --> 00:03:27,575 Mac: we're still sitting in the low 60s in the morning, like 60, 61 degrees. 53 00:03:28,275 --> 00:03:33,355 Mac: By the time 11 o'clock rolls around, it'll get up and start knocking right up 66 to 67. 54 00:03:34,155 --> 00:03:38,475 Mac: And that's when it's time to quit. But between that 60 degree margin to 65, 55 00:03:38,595 --> 00:03:42,355 Mac: I mean, the fish have been really happy with terrestrials. 56 00:03:42,415 --> 00:03:46,255 Mac: So that's a good, a good ticker. yeah. 57 00:03:46,255 --> 00:03:49,915 Marvin: And you know you were telling me too that you've had you know a really rewarding 58 00:03:49,915 --> 00:03:52,115 Marvin: last month or so on the teaching front as well. 59 00:03:52,115 --> 00:03:58,575 Mac: Oh it's been it's been fabulous so many so many people that that have showed 60 00:03:58,575 --> 00:04:03,135 Mac: up just with the intent of trying to figure out this whole game of fly fishing 61 00:04:03,135 --> 00:04:06,995 Mac: and that's what we figured would would maybe talk about tonight is to make drift, 62 00:04:07,675 --> 00:04:12,235 Mac: to make drift the grail and it's like these people that are brand new are doing 63 00:04:12,235 --> 00:04:16,775 Mac: things like Like just really quick because we always start off with some instructional 64 00:04:16,775 --> 00:04:21,455 Mac: stuff for about an hour about foundational movement and how to form a loop and 65 00:04:21,455 --> 00:04:24,615 Mac: how to make it do what they want. But it's been really amazing. 66 00:04:24,835 --> 00:04:26,935 Mac: I had just so many. 67 00:04:27,175 --> 00:04:31,835 Mac: The biggest one that comes to mind is 11-year-old girl from Atlanta that came with her daddy. 68 00:04:32,215 --> 00:04:37,055 Mac: And it's like we were doing aerial reach men's and curves, you know, 40, 50 feet. 69 00:04:37,135 --> 00:04:40,095 Mac: And she's just got a big smile on her face. And she's 11 years old. 70 00:04:40,155 --> 00:04:42,995 Mac: She's doing stuff that a lot of people would call advanced. and she did all 71 00:04:42,995 --> 00:04:44,255 Mac: that in under 25 minutes. 72 00:04:44,715 --> 00:04:50,195 Mac: And it's just like, it's so rewarding as a teacher to see brand new people doing 73 00:04:50,195 --> 00:04:54,855 Mac: what people would deem advanced but they've only been doing it for 25 minutes, you know? 74 00:04:54,975 --> 00:05:01,675 Mac: It's a lot easier to train people like that that are newer because they don't have lots of habits. 75 00:05:01,975 --> 00:05:05,795 Mac: And it's hard to break and learn new things when they already have a habit of 76 00:05:05,795 --> 00:05:07,055 Mac: how to deliver something, you know? 77 00:05:08,097 --> 00:05:09,757 Mac: So that's been a real rewarding thing. 78 00:05:10,717 --> 00:05:13,837 Marvin: Yeah, it's interesting too, because you and I talk about this all the time, 79 00:05:13,857 --> 00:05:17,597 Marvin: about having a focus on, you know, why we do what we do, right? 80 00:05:18,337 --> 00:05:24,117 Marvin: And how that makes it easier to kind of learn how to be a better angler. 81 00:05:24,157 --> 00:05:26,037 Marvin: I mean, it's true for lots of different things, but, you know, 82 00:05:26,057 --> 00:05:28,997 Marvin: you and I were talking before we started recording about, you know, 83 00:05:28,997 --> 00:05:32,157 Marvin: understanding like how you want the fly to behave. 84 00:05:32,157 --> 00:05:36,657 Marvin: And then also understanding that you're not always going to be in a situation 85 00:05:36,657 --> 00:05:40,997 Marvin: where you can put yourself in position to make the easiest cast possible. 86 00:05:41,097 --> 00:05:44,957 Marvin: So the only way to be successful is to kind of put those two things together 87 00:05:44,957 --> 00:05:46,537 Marvin: to your point and kind of work on drift. 88 00:05:49,137 --> 00:05:54,217 Mac: Yeah, that's definitely true. And also a shout out to Hillary out there in Montana, Hutchinson. 89 00:05:54,417 --> 00:05:59,317 Mac: She went out, the same family, Brad's the daddy, and they took the kids out 90 00:05:59,317 --> 00:06:01,877 Mac: there to fish with her for a week up near Glacier. 91 00:06:02,157 --> 00:06:05,617 Mac: And she had sent me some messages, and she's just like, oh, my gosh. 92 00:06:05,877 --> 00:06:09,437 Mac: She was blown away with the ability of her little brother and the girl. 93 00:06:09,517 --> 00:06:13,677 Mac: I mean, because they were fairly new, but they just have such enthusiasm and 94 00:06:13,677 --> 00:06:18,557 Mac: passion to growing that it was kind of neat to see them go out and spend a week 95 00:06:18,557 --> 00:06:23,377 Mac: catching cutthroat and stuff up on the Kootenai and that area around Glacier. 96 00:06:23,397 --> 00:06:25,437 Mac: So it's just kind of a cool thing 97 00:06:25,437 --> 00:06:30,657 Mac: when you see that with young people like excelling like that, you know? 98 00:06:30,717 --> 00:06:34,597 Mac: So it's been really fun. And I've had a lot of other just really positive experiences. 99 00:06:36,676 --> 00:06:41,596 Mac: Learning, I call it learning trips because, I mean, obviously if we don't have 100 00:06:41,596 --> 00:06:45,756 Mac: the drift, then we don't have any game to do what we need to do on the water. 101 00:06:45,856 --> 00:06:50,036 Mac: So the mix here for the last month has been about an hour and a half, 102 00:06:50,076 --> 00:06:54,216 Mac: probably of instructional staff first before even getting the water. 103 00:06:54,896 --> 00:06:58,896 Mac: And that way they have a really good idea of what it is, what's the goal, 104 00:06:59,036 --> 00:07:02,536 Mac: what are we trying to do, trying to attain drift, what do we do when we get 105 00:07:02,536 --> 00:07:04,756 Mac: the drift, and we've got to talk about hook set. 106 00:07:05,536 --> 00:07:08,336 Mac: That's for another time but the drift is what we've 107 00:07:08,336 --> 00:07:12,176 Mac: been preaching for a long time living here with the college programs at 108 00:07:12,176 --> 00:07:15,276 Mac: western with team usa just won gold in 109 00:07:15,276 --> 00:07:19,856 Mac: the czech republic first second third individual winners and i can promise you 110 00:07:19,856 --> 00:07:24,416 Mac: that's a big big sermon even for all the youth kids over the last 25 years as 111 00:07:24,416 --> 00:07:29,016 Mac: they hear a lot about drift to try to make that their goal and And fish are 112 00:07:29,016 --> 00:07:32,316 Mac: a byproduct of mastering drift. 113 00:07:32,656 --> 00:07:35,596 Mac: I mean, it really is a byproduct. Because if we're doing that well, 114 00:07:35,736 --> 00:07:38,676 Mac: then the other thing is just a gimme that you're going to have. 115 00:07:40,096 --> 00:07:43,176 Mac: And so that's really the only way I know to talk about it and teach it. 116 00:07:43,196 --> 00:07:49,096 Mac: I can't talk about, you know, let's go catch the big one, Marvin, and ignore drift. 117 00:07:49,236 --> 00:07:52,176 Mac: Because then it's kind of a nightmare for being out there all day, 118 00:07:52,236 --> 00:07:53,576 Mac: you know? It's like an accident. 119 00:07:54,396 --> 00:07:57,796 Mac: Or some people call it luck. I mean, to go out and do it that way is a little 120 00:07:57,796 --> 00:07:58,816 Mac: bit difficult, you know? 121 00:07:59,036 --> 00:08:02,156 Marvin: Yeah. I mean, it's really kind of funny, right? You know, where if we back up 122 00:08:02,156 --> 00:08:05,236 Marvin: and we focus on the process, and we talk about this a lot, right? 123 00:08:05,296 --> 00:08:08,596 Marvin: If you have a good process and you're always refining process, 124 00:08:08,896 --> 00:08:10,636 Marvin: you're going to consistently get better outcomes. 125 00:08:12,119 --> 00:08:14,379 Mac: That's right. And that's what everybody wants is better outcomes. 126 00:08:15,419 --> 00:08:20,919 Mac: So, yeah, it's been really a good, really to my surprise, I mean, 127 00:08:20,939 --> 00:08:23,959 Mac: because usually summer is tourist season, and I made a post the other day about 128 00:08:23,959 --> 00:08:25,599 Mac: it, and it's like usually it's tourist season. 129 00:08:26,399 --> 00:08:31,359 Mac: First-timers with no clue about wanting to really learn about it just say they went and did it. 130 00:08:31,919 --> 00:08:35,179 Mac: And that's not at all what I've seen. So I really think a lot of it, too, 131 00:08:35,259 --> 00:08:41,539 Mac: is being in this for four decades now Now that I've kind of figured out the 132 00:08:41,539 --> 00:08:45,259 Mac: people that I'm, the people that call and the people I'm getting is not like 133 00:08:45,259 --> 00:08:47,739 Mac: the typical tourist trip I got 30, 40 years ago. 134 00:08:47,859 --> 00:08:52,559 Mac: So I'm really thankful for that because I don't know if I could stay doing it 135 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,519 Mac: if it was all tourism based, you know. 136 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,659 Mac: That'd be a little different. It's kind of like Disneyland. Let's go ride the 137 00:08:58,659 --> 00:08:59,859 Mac: small world float, you know. 138 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,719 Mac: So at least it's been rewarding in that regard of having people that are truly 139 00:09:04,719 --> 00:09:05,959 Mac: there to try to learn something. 140 00:09:06,319 --> 00:09:09,959 Marvin: Yeah. But I mean, I think it's interesting, right? Because that also gets to 141 00:09:09,959 --> 00:09:14,299 Marvin: the point of, you know, there are different guides that are good at different 142 00:09:14,299 --> 00:09:17,319 Marvin: things and you're at a different place in your journey from someone else. 143 00:09:17,459 --> 00:09:21,259 Marvin: And that's why it's so important, you know, for anglers to try to be honest 144 00:09:21,259 --> 00:09:24,519 Marvin: about where they are in their journey and what they want to accomplish and to 145 00:09:24,519 --> 00:09:28,579 Marvin: try to find people to work with that are going to kind of help them along the path. 146 00:09:30,139 --> 00:09:34,299 Mac: Yeah i thought about that a lot over the years too you know about the gateway 147 00:09:34,299 --> 00:09:39,559 Mac: of why is you know lab and a bobber 10 feet over the side of a three thirteen 148 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:44,619 Mac: thousand dollar drift boat why is that why is that the norm or why is the euro nymphing so popular, 149 00:09:45,819 --> 00:09:50,619 Mac: it's it's really because those are gateway techniques they're not like the only 150 00:09:50,619 --> 00:09:55,679 Mac: technique because it goes back to the old school methods you know from like 151 00:09:55,679 --> 00:10:00,479 Mac: tyverner and looking at those writings from 150 years ago where drift was grail 152 00:10:00,479 --> 00:10:03,099 Mac: and all that early literature and I think that's a lot of that, 153 00:10:04,668 --> 00:10:08,088 Mac: in my opinion, has been forgotten about because let's say you fish, 154 00:10:08,228 --> 00:10:12,128 Mac: like what's the study that you talk about a bunch with, um, where it says that 155 00:10:12,128 --> 00:10:17,008 Mac: like people go what, two times a year, like what it was at 70% or something. 156 00:10:17,068 --> 00:10:20,608 Mac: I can't remember the number exactly, but, but it's something like that. 157 00:10:20,688 --> 00:10:22,668 Mac: So let's say you're going two times a year, right? 158 00:10:23,148 --> 00:10:27,368 Mac: And you're going to do that for 50 years and you bought you a nice setup and 159 00:10:27,368 --> 00:10:31,188 Mac: you got all the gear, but you go two times a year and you've been really happy 160 00:10:31,188 --> 00:10:34,928 Mac: loving something 10 feet over the side of a boat, chances are you're not going 161 00:10:34,928 --> 00:10:37,488 Mac: to be concerned with drift if that's all you're doing it. 162 00:10:37,948 --> 00:10:40,908 Mac: Does that make sense? Because you just don't go enough to see any difference 163 00:10:40,908 --> 00:10:44,448 Mac: and you're happy with the few fish you catch from lobbing it over the side of a drift boat. 164 00:10:45,268 --> 00:10:49,568 Mac: So those people might not ever go to the drift part that we're talking about, 165 00:10:49,728 --> 00:10:54,008 Mac: but it doesn't mean that they're not enjoying the sport, but I think those are 166 00:10:54,008 --> 00:10:55,908 Mac: gateway techniques is what I'm trying to say. 167 00:10:56,688 --> 00:11:00,028 Marvin: Yeah. And the study is the, it's the study that the Recreational Boating and 168 00:11:00,028 --> 00:11:03,048 Marvin: Fishing Foundation, They put out that report on fishing every year and, 169 00:11:03,068 --> 00:11:06,428 Marvin: you know, the rough math and I'm pretty, I wouldn't say I'm obsessed. 170 00:11:06,728 --> 00:11:12,128 Marvin: I just can, let's just say for the last 15 years, I consistently kind of read and follow that report. 171 00:11:12,388 --> 00:11:18,268 Marvin: You know, 40 to 45% of people that fly fish in a given year fish one to three days. 172 00:11:19,368 --> 00:11:24,048 Mac: That's right. Yeah, we got to give a shout out too to Josh, our buddy Josh Miller. 173 00:11:24,208 --> 00:11:28,268 Mac: He was over there with the kids and did a fantastic job coaching them. 174 00:11:28,288 --> 00:11:31,568 Mac: So congratulations to him too. I meant to say that when we talked about the 175 00:11:31,568 --> 00:11:38,508 Mac: Czech Republic and the youth kids there last week so he's a wonderful coach 176 00:11:38,508 --> 00:11:42,588 Mac: great for the program and that was really a, 177 00:11:43,728 --> 00:11:48,268 Mac: a big milestone to go over there and dominate and. 178 00:11:48,268 --> 00:11:50,148 Marvin: On top of that he's just a great human being. 179 00:11:51,088 --> 00:11:56,788 Mac: He is no he really is and so that was a that was a thing to be that was really 180 00:11:56,788 --> 00:12:01,308 Mac: a proud moment you know for the youth kids to go over there and do that to do 181 00:12:01,308 --> 00:12:06,528 Mac: first second third is that's impressive so um but yeah i think a lot of it goes 182 00:12:06,528 --> 00:12:10,128 Mac: back to drift and it's hard to say that on a podcast like Like, what's drift? 183 00:12:10,408 --> 00:12:13,968 Mac: So we've got to give people something to think about with drift. 184 00:12:14,108 --> 00:12:16,528 Mac: And over the last 40 years, I would say that most of the time, 185 00:12:16,548 --> 00:12:19,248 Mac: people are content with something that's just not very long. 186 00:12:19,808 --> 00:12:21,968 Mac: And if it's not very long, it makes it hard. 187 00:12:22,668 --> 00:12:26,988 Mac: It makes it real hard. You know, they've got to go further. Further than two or three feet? 188 00:12:27,168 --> 00:12:29,288 Mac: You know what I mean? Like, make it a goal. Make eight feet. 189 00:12:29,408 --> 00:12:30,868 Mac: Make 10 feet in complex currents. 190 00:12:31,028 --> 00:12:34,128 Mac: What if we say put it in at the top of the pool? Let's try to go 30 feet. 191 00:12:34,208 --> 00:12:40,408 Mac: All those things have a skill set. All those things require more line control than before. 192 00:12:40,908 --> 00:12:44,208 Mac: You know what I mean? And so that's really the goal. If we just make drift the 193 00:12:44,208 --> 00:12:48,168 Mac: grail, then, of course, just get with somebody who talks to you about Marvin. Let's go 16 feet. 194 00:12:48,728 --> 00:12:53,328 Mac: Let's go 20 feet. And then once you start seeing how that's done and start implementing 195 00:12:53,328 --> 00:12:58,568 Mac: that into your game, then everything else is a byproduct of having drift. 196 00:12:58,708 --> 00:13:02,428 Mac: And it's like that's the hardest thing when you fish. Like when do you want to pick it up? 197 00:13:02,788 --> 00:13:06,788 Mac: Do you want to feed it out? I mean, I have a friend here when I moved here back 198 00:13:06,788 --> 00:13:10,388 Mac: in the mid-'80s, and he loves to go smallmouth and trout both, 199 00:13:10,468 --> 00:13:14,308 Mac: but he does some of the longest drifts I've ever seen anywhere in the world. 200 00:13:14,648 --> 00:13:17,228 Mac: When I fish with him, I'm like, what are you doing? He goes, 201 00:13:17,268 --> 00:13:18,248 Mac: well, I'm paying line out. 202 00:13:18,348 --> 00:13:22,028 Mac: Like when we smallmouth fish, he'll go at the whole double taper length every 203 00:13:22,028 --> 00:13:24,388 Mac: time he does a drift with a popper. 204 00:13:24,448 --> 00:13:28,208 Mac: That's how long he likes to go, and he catches some really, really impressive 205 00:13:28,208 --> 00:13:29,768 Mac: smallmouth by doing that. 206 00:13:29,848 --> 00:13:33,648 Mac: But it's not a little 10-, 15-foot drift. He usually goes about 80 or 90 feet. 207 00:13:34,488 --> 00:13:36,688 Mac: And I mean, that's a big part of why it's successful. 208 00:13:37,268 --> 00:13:41,528 Marvin: Yeah, absolutely. You know, and as we get closer to pumpkin spice latte season, 209 00:13:41,708 --> 00:13:44,268 Marvin: you know, it also means we're getting closer to school season. 210 00:13:44,288 --> 00:13:48,348 Marvin: What can folks look forward to on the kind of the clinic and the school front, Mac? 211 00:13:49,792 --> 00:13:54,932 Mac: We've got a school still in October. The casting school filled out in September, so it's been full. 212 00:13:55,132 --> 00:13:58,912 Mac: We've still got an opening there in October, like a one spot, 213 00:13:59,072 --> 00:14:01,892 Mac: I think, for October, and I think November's got maybe two. 214 00:14:02,412 --> 00:14:07,812 Mac: And that's it. That's it. Then I go to the White River to talk to Davey Walton's 215 00:14:07,812 --> 00:14:10,072 Mac: club in Mountain Home early November. 216 00:14:10,272 --> 00:14:12,452 Mac: I'm looking forward to that. I'm going to spend a week down there, 217 00:14:12,572 --> 00:14:14,852 Mac: and that's a three-day event. 218 00:14:15,272 --> 00:14:18,872 Mac: And then I get to fish the white for four days, So I'm looking forward to getting 219 00:14:18,872 --> 00:14:19,972 Mac: down there on the light again. 220 00:14:20,672 --> 00:14:24,052 Marvin: Yeah, well, there you go. And where should folks go if they want to learn more 221 00:14:24,052 --> 00:14:28,492 Marvin: about the schools, maybe get on a wait list or get a casting lesson or spend 222 00:14:28,492 --> 00:14:29,752 Marvin: a day with you on the water? 223 00:14:31,692 --> 00:14:38,212 Mac: Probably the easiest is my website, macbrownflyfish.com. And that way, 224 00:14:38,292 --> 00:14:39,352 Mac: that's the easiest place. 225 00:14:39,472 --> 00:14:43,252 Mac: And that's what the name is, too, the message on social media stuff, Instagram, Facebook. 226 00:14:43,852 --> 00:14:48,492 Mac: They can message me on one of those, too, and I'll get it. so that's probably the best. 227 00:14:48,492 --> 00:14:51,892 Marvin: Yeah well there you go and you know folks as i say uh you owe it yourself to 228 00:14:51,892 --> 00:14:57,612 Marvin: get out there and catch a few tight lines everybody tight lines mac tight lines marvin.