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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The battle between good and evil.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: It isn't a metaphor.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But something happening all around you. In this episode, we uncover the truth about exorcism behind religion, exploring what really gives dark forces power, and how ordinary people can stand against them.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Hi, and welcome to the UWorld Order Showcase Podcast, where we feature life, health, transformational coaches, and spiritual entrepreneurs stepping up to be the change they seek in the world.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm your host, Jill Hart, The Coaches Alchemist, on a mission to help coaches and entrepreneurs amplify their voice, monetize their mission, and get visible. If you're ready to start attracting premium clients without chasing algorithms or hunting people down like a banshee on a mission, head over to Coachesalchemist.com and schedule your free client acquisition audit. It's the first step in building a business where your clients seek you out, rather than you having to hunt them down.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Today, we are chatting with Edgar Rack. Edgar is the founder of the School of Exorcism, has devoted over 15 years to the study and practice of exorcism and demonology. His academic journey spans Israel, Lithuania, the UK, and the USA, culminating in a PhD-level research that challenges traditional religious views on exorcism.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Rather than relying on ritual or superstition, his approach is grounded in pure biblical study and practical understanding of spiritual warfare. Having performed exorcisms for the past 8 years, Edgar now teaches others how to identify, confront, and overcome spiritual forces through his groundbreaking School of Exorcism community on school.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Welcome to the show, Edgar. As I was mentioning before, I've been really looking forward to this conversation.

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Edgar Rac: Yes, me too, me too, thank you for having me.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, what's the most significant thing, in your opinion, as individuals, we can do to make an impact on how the world is going?

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Edgar Rac: Well, probably answering from my perspective as an exorcist, it's understanding the difference between, you know, the scene and the unseen, and how there are forces beyond what the eyes can actually see. You know, how the forces of darkness and the forces of good and evil, they actually work in the unseen world.

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Edgar Rac: That would probably be… A good start.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, let's, let's start with,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: we could probably start in the beginning, like, what's your story? But I really want to know How,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: How you define, like, good and evil in the unseen realm, and where do you… Suggested they come from.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, that's like a three-part question.

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Edgar Rac: Right, that's fine, that's fine. So obviously.

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Edgar Rac: as a believer myself, as a Christian, I believe in… when I say the forces of good, I believe in God, in Jesus Christ, in the forces of angels, in hierarchies of angels, so there's not just, you know, one type of angels that we usually see in pictures and, you know…

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Edgar Rac: And religious icons, but and the same goes for the demonological hierarchy, and there are way…

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Edgar Rac: way more, demonological categories. Categories of demons, of evil spirits, and…

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Edgar Rac: That we should be aware of. So…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I think it's interesting. I've studied the Bible quite a bit in the extra-biblical, the scriptures.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And… It, it struck me…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: how many different categories of these different beings there are in these communities, the good guys and the bad guys.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: you just read through Ezekiel, it's like, oh, that's kind of weird. They're not the little…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: lovely people. I think the seraphs are actually the ones that are… look like humans with wings, but all the rest of them are, like… they're weird looking.

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Edgar Rac: They're weird, yeah, and that's the reason why whenever an angel appears in the Bible, the first thing he says, it's, don't be afraid, because when you actually see them, yeah, they're gonna be scared.

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Edgar Rac: Yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And I think people back then were more connected to the spiritual realm, because they didn't have electricity, so, you know, they were closer to nature, the way we were sort of designed to function.

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Edgar Rac: That's… that's absolutely true. They believed in… well…

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Edgar Rac: A lot of stuff they believed in is, of course, nonsensical in today's world, but .

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yes, they believed in a lot of…

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Edgar Rac: things that today we find completely, completely crazy. For example, they believe that stars are…

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Edgar Rac: Divine entities, and they're not just, you know.

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Edgar Rac: what they are. So, they believed in everything, for example, that was happening in their lives had a spiritual meaning to that, whether that's a disease, an illness. Today, we call it luck, for example, or we have a medical explanation for whatever is happening to our bodies. Or, for example, in our lives. Well, I was lucky to win the lottery. Well.

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Edgar Rac: in the minds of ancient Israelites, that would have connected immediately to the unseen world and to the… either the divine or the demonic. So, yeah, you're absolutely right.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You know, winning the lottery isn't always, like, a blessing either.

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Edgar Rac: Other times, people…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: People experience things in this realm that, you know.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Is it… is it something that's really positive for you? Or is it just a different kind of experience that you're having?

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Edgar Rac: Oh, no, absolutely. You're right. Because, you know, there's this… there's this phrase that Christians like to use, the… that God works in mysterious ways, and yes, that is true, but what we're missing out is that

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Edgar Rac: Satan also works in the mysterious ways, and the problem with a lot of Christians and churches is that we dismiss the idea of demons, Satan, and demonology altogether.

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Edgar Rac: We just try to ignore it as if it doesn't exist. Well… You…

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Edgar Rac: I also grew up as a… I was also a former boxer, and the one thing that my coach taught me is that you can never win a fight unless you know your opponent, unless you know your enemy.

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Edgar Rac: And so, Christians try to pray, read the Bible, but if you're not gonna be…

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Edgar Rac: If you won't have discernment as to how Satan

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Edgar Rac: And demons work, and what they actually do, you will… you will be misled, one way or the other, so…

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Edgar Rac: Yeah, just.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So how do they work?

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Edgar Rac: Well, as you've already, mentioned, Jill, I've been performing exorcisms for the last 8 years, and then I had to take a break because,

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Edgar Rac: Well, it took a toll on my mental health a little bit, this line of work, because there were more than 200 exorcisms done in those… in the span of 8 years.

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Edgar Rac: And during that time, I've seen… A lot. Now…

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Edgar Rac: I'm gonna get to your question, I'm just kind of setting up the stage so far.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You're good.

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Edgar Rac: And, whenever I…

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Edgar Rac: introduce myself as an exorcist or a demonologist. Usually people associate that with being a priest or a pastor, you know, or a bishop.

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Edgar Rac: So, no, my line of work was only directed towards research. Biblical research, extra-biblical research, research of demonology and ancient manuscripts, etc.

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Edgar Rac: And demons work in ways that… we…

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Edgar Rac: Can't fully actually even figure out.

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Edgar Rac: For example, I was once…

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Edgar Rac: called to a home where a Christian lady was experiencing paranormal events in her home. And she was living alone, she didn't have any cats, dogs, so that's off the table immediately, because people usually try to find explanations for the paranormal.

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Edgar Rac: So, that's not what was happening. And she had a picture given to her by her friend, that…

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Edgar Rac: pictured an angel in the… in black background, okay? It was a really beautiful man, an angel, a white angel.

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Edgar Rac: And… Like, to a normal eye, that would seem like an extremely wonderful painting, etc.

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Edgar Rac: But underneath, that angel, there were, in small letters, there was… there were these words written.

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Edgar Rac: I am the one who brings light.

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Edgar Rac: Now, for someone who knows… Latin…

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Edgar Rac: Lucifer is translated as the bearer of Light.

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Edgar Rac: And I was like, huh, that's interesting. So, Satan and demons, they work in…

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Edgar Rac: They try to find whatever way is possible just to get to a person. It can be an object, it can be…

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Edgar Rac: It can be an addiction, it can be even a close friend. They can work… they can work with a person that they're targeting through people around you. That's why it is so important to surround yourself with, you know, with believers, with someone who is with you on the same path to God, because

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Edgar Rac: Satan will find a way. Satan will find a way to get to you. If it's not addiction, then he's gonna use a girlfriend. If it's not your girlfriend, he's gonna use your friend. If it's not your friend, he's gonna use money, or finances, or something.

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Edgar Rac: So yeah, it's, they work in every way, shape, and form possible.

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Edgar Rac: They never sleep, that's for sure.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So how would you…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What are some common signs that someone might be under spiritual oppression, or even, possession?

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Edgar Rac: Yeah, so There are levels in…

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Edgar Rac: in what we call possession. So there's spiritual harassment, there is,

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Edgar Rac: Spiritual oppression, so possession is extremely rare.

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Edgar Rac: So usually, whenever we see a person who is…

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Edgar Rac: Well, I call it attached. It has a demon attached to him.

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Edgar Rac: We usually think that, oh, that person is possessed. No, not necessarily. Just because there's demonic activity happening in the life of that person, or in that person's home, that doesn't mean that he or she is possessed. So, possession is, like, 10% out of 100, right?

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Edgar Rac: Of all of the cases.

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Edgar Rac: Usually, it's harassment, attachment, oppression, And what are the signs? Well, again, it depends.

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Edgar Rac: And that's… That's what my research led me to, because there is no one Pattern in which they work.

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Edgar Rac: Like, yes, whenever it's… whenever there's possession involved, like, the actual possession, yes, there's always a pattern, they always speak in different tongues, objects moving, cursing, swearing.

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Edgar Rac: like, aggression to the Holy Bible or the prayer, etc. But whenever there's harassment or oppression.

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Edgar Rac: Happening in the life of the person. Like, for example, objects moving, or you're…

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Edgar Rac: All of a sudden, you have an addiction to something, or financial collapse, or, on the contrary, financial, you know, you're gaining financial freedom.

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Edgar Rac: Finally, in your life, that may not necessarily also be from God, so… There was no one…

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Edgar Rac: specific pattern that, that they follow, because…

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Edgar Rac: for every single person is different. For one, it's alcoholism, for the other, it's…

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Edgar Rac: Abandoning the faith, or distancing yourself from the faith, simply because you found a new

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Edgar Rac: of friends, or a girlfriend, or a boyfriend, and so yeah, Satan works in different ways when it comes to harassment and oppression. So those… so it depends on the person. Again, it's… there can be millions of ways. But once we get to the possession, yes, there are clear signs how to know if the person is possessed or not.

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Edgar Rac: Yeah.

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Edgar Rac: I don't know if I answered your question, Jill, it's just… Super broad.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So how would somebody know if they needed

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: needed an exorcist, or if, you would…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Or what would lead somebody to want to join your community, for example?

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Edgar Rac: So, yeah, my community… in my community, I…

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Edgar Rac: I made a series of videos, and those are really long videos, where I explained the research, the detailed analysis of how position works.

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Edgar Rac: How demonology works, how exorcism actually works, because…

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Edgar Rac: here's the misconception that we have. A lot of people, and when I say a lot of people, a lot of Christians, whenever I talk with them about exorcism, they immediately think, well, I'm not a pastor, I'm not a priest, I'm not supposed to be doing that.

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Edgar Rac: Well, in the Bible, You don't have to be, quote-unquote, qualified to do that.

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Edgar Rac: You don't have to finish a degree to be an exorcist. This is not how an exorcism works. It's not like there's a very specific group of people that are exorcists. No, if you're a Christian, you can be an exorcist. Of course, I'm not saying you don't have to, you know, research it a little bit for yourself, but the degree doesn't make you an exorcist.

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Edgar Rac: Right? So, that's what I found out during 15 years of… So, I devoted the best years of my life, basically, to this. So, the last 15 years.

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Edgar Rac: This…

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Edgar Rac: was one of the conclusions that my research has led me to, that absolutely anyone who believes in God, who believes in Christ, can be an exorcist, because…

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Edgar Rac: if somebody says otherwise, they are simply contradicting the Bible, and there's no evidence in the Bible that

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Edgar Rac: a person who believes in Christ, a person who is a genuine believer, cannot perform an exorcism. If they say that, again, that was, again, one of the motivating factors behind me joining, you know, this

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Edgar Rac: my own school of exorcism, where I, where I studied exorcisms.

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Edgar Rac: And demonology is because…

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Edgar Rac: the church has this misconception that there are certain rituals, certain prayers, you have to know Latin, you have to know Greek, you have to know Hebrew in order to, you know, have an influence on demonic entities. You have to…

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Edgar Rac: be ordained or qualified? No, this is… this is all complete nonsense. And this is not how it works. This is not how exorcism itself works, because you are not…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Christian community that's kind of like that.

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Edgar Rac: Oh, I know, I know, there are a lot of Christians who don't… there are a lot of pastors, actually, who don't like me, but there are a lot who do as well, but

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Edgar Rac: But this is just not… this is not how it works, because this is why we have the misconception of an exorcism.

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Edgar Rac: A person who's performing an exorcism is not the one who's casting a demon out.

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Edgar Rac: It's not you, it's not Edgar, it's not… it's not Jill, it's not Robert. Demons are not afraid of Edgar. Demons are not afraid of Edgar's prayers, even.

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Edgar Rac: Demons are not afraid of a crucifix. They're afraid only of God.

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Edgar Rac: So if there is no God in the heart of that person, demon is never going to leave. I've seen that with my own two eyes. When a well-meaning priest was trying to perform an exorcism, but it just didn't work, he used every prayer in the book.

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Edgar Rac: And he was performing that exorcism for months, and it never happened.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You can silence them, though.

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Edgar Rac: Silence.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Prayer. You can silence demons with prayer. I've seen it personally in my own life. I've had an experience where,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I… I don't… I don't feel comfortable sharing the whole story, but I… I was experiencing…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: A possession with someone who… was… Was actively attacking me.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: and my faith. And I would pray, and they were in the hospital, and I went into… before I would go in, I would bind the demon.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: in prayer, and then they actually couldn't open their mouth to talk to me. I mean, they would try to do, but they just couldn't get their mouth open. And when I would leave, they could talk again.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So…

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Edgar Rac: That's absolutely true, yeah. That's awesome. Yeah, it's…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Like, that's a… that's a concrete…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: experience that I know of that I've seen in effect.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, you're saying things like holy water and crucifixes don't actually protect people from demons?

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Edgar Rac: I'm saying there are good tools, but, that's not the essence of the exorcism.

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Edgar Rac: Demon is not afraid of holy water or crucifix. And again, priests, and the way I was taught, the way it's being explained is that, well, since it's blessed, therefore it works. Well.

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Edgar Rac: they are afraid only of God Himself. These are simply objects. If you think that a piece of wood

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Edgar Rac: that costs $5 is gonna drive a demon out of that person, you are mistaken. This is not how an exorcism works. And…

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Edgar Rac: Yeah, these are really good tools. Again, you don't need shoes to walk, but it helps, so it's kind of the same. You need the legs, right? So…

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Edgar Rac: I don't know if this metaphor makes sense, but… yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So, in your… in your community on school, and you actually have two communities, but we're just going to talk about the first one for now, when you're… when people go through the classroom and the… the courses that you've put together, what… what are they going to come away with?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What… what's the end…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: end a game there. Is it just to learn about demons and how they operate in our lives, or is it to actually learn how to do exorcisms? Is it to learn how to identify demons? What…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Yeah, so what I did, this…

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Edgar Rac: School Community was a project that I was building for a year and a half now, because… so my goal was basically to summarize 15 years of study, research.

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Edgar Rac: reading into…

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Edgar Rac: I don't know, 20 hours, probably. 20 hours of courses, maybe 15… 18 hours of courses, something like that.

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Edgar Rac: 18 hours of… Or videos. And in those 18 hours of videos, you're gonna come out… fully equipped.

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Edgar Rac: With the information that you're gonna need to recognize Demonic Possession, to cast a demon out.

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Edgar Rac: Because… I teach…

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Edgar Rac: the… I teach the… the ride, the ritual of exorcism, literally step-by-step, beginning from A to Z, you know, taking baby steps.

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Edgar Rac: And, so you're not just gonna find out about what exorcism is, what demons are, what are their names, etc, but fully equipped with all of this information that is absolutely necessary, because the reason I'm saying this

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Edgar Rac: And why this is extremely important is because I've read countless books which were completely on exorcisms and demonology, which were completely meaningless to my line of research.

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Edgar Rac: Like, they were… They didn't add value, so…

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Edgar Rac: This is probably the most valuable information on exorcisms and demonology that you will find literally in one place, so you don't have to read countless books.

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Edgar Rac: And perform exorcism yourselves. So you will be fully equipped with this

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Edgar Rac: idea of what an exorcism is, how to perform an exorcism, what demons are, what to do in different situations when a demon doesn't leave, or when he pretends to leave, for example.

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Edgar Rac: That happened as well, and, everything related to demonic activity, possession, etc.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Do you… do you help people figure out how to, move on after the exorcism? Because I know there's a verse in the Bible that talks about, you know, one… you drive one demon out, and then, you know, 10 more show up in its place.

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Edgar Rac: I believe that's Matthew 12.

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Edgar Rac: yeah, I believe that's Matthew 12, and that's the…

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Edgar Rac: That's probably… I'm extremely grateful that you brought that up.

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Edgar Rac: Because I once was in an argument with a fellow, fellow lecturer

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Edgar Rac: In Lithuanian university here, and we had an argument, what is an exorcism? And I was trying to explain to him that the actual act of exorcism is only 10% of the entire exorcistic story. Like, it's just a very small fraction of what an exorcism actually is.

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Edgar Rac: Because… To perform an exorcism, it's…

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Edgar Rac: Okay, this is gonna sound extremely weird, but compared to what follows after. It's extremely quick, it's extremely easy. Well, again, compared to what comes after, because…

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Edgar Rac: there's a really long rehabilitation process for that person. If…

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Edgar Rac: Casting a demon out, that's not the most difficult part, that's what I meant. That's not the most difficult part, the most difficult part.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: With a gate to keep the rest of them from coming in.

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Edgar Rac: And if the person was an unbeliever, for example, he first has to build that gate. He has to build his faith, the reading, the prayer.

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Edgar Rac: The community, the church, abandonment of the sinful life he was living in, because

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Edgar Rac: that's probably the… sinful life is one of the many ways in which you can attract a demon into your house.

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Edgar Rac: It can be through your repetitive sin, it can be through, again, through an object, through a person, through anything, but sin is one of them, definitely.

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Edgar Rac: And so yeah, so this rehabilitation process is probably even more important than the exorcism itself, because…

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Edgar Rac: Even if exorcism is successful, but the person does nothing, after that, it's… it's gonna be worse.

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Edgar Rac: Do you think that demons…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: attack people, and I really do think that they attach themselves to people in order to get some benefit.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What… what do you think that that is? Or do you… do you see it that way, or do you see it a different way?

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: What's… what's the angle for the demon?

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Edgar Rac: Yeah, the end goal for the Demon would be always to…

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Edgar Rac: destroy that person's life and faith as much as possible, in as many ways as possible. So, the reason I'm saying this is because

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Edgar Rac: And there are many ways to destroy your life. You can destroy your life through success, you can destroy your life through abundance of money, you can destroy your life through lack of money, through laziness, through addiction, again, through anything. Just, you name it, there are millions of ways.

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Edgar Rac: Now, the most important thing for them is to see the person's body and soul fall, and that's…

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Edgar Rac: That's probably the only end goal that I can think of. I mean, it summarizes all of the other end goals that they may have, but to distance them from

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Edgar Rac: I've seen families, you know.

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Edgar Rac: couples get divorced, children being abandoned simply because of possession, simply because of demonic attachment or harassment in that house and that family. So, yeah, they come to…

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Edgar Rac: To kill and steal.

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Edgar Rac: Metaphorically, but yeah.

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Edgar Rac: Kill your faith, kill your joy, kill your family, yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: From your… from your perspective, As a believer, do you think your purpose

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Here, on… in this realm, is to,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I know it's to do the will of God, but in the bigger picture, the will of… God has a will for everyone's life.

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Edgar Rac: Of course.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: if a demon gets involved in this, and they stop them from being able to fulfill their purpose here. Like, we all come here with a purpose that we're…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: kind of like a mandate. You're supposed to do what you're supposed to do. And then, when demons come along, they…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: pull you off of that path. So, in the big tapestry of life, there's this hole where you're not doing what you were supposed to be doing, so that if you get enough demons, then…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The beautiful tapestry that was created is ollie moth-eaten.

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Edgar Rac: Exactly, exactly. And you know, This is, again, another extremely interesting topic, because

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Edgar Rac: I always like to disagree with people in churches. I used to work as a pastor as well for a couple of years, so in churches, I always had these debates when people would justify their mistakes, or their bad decisions.

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Edgar Rac: or their sin, by saying, well, you know, I don't know what God has in store for me, maybe it's part of God's plan.

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Edgar Rac: Listen, God's plan doesn't include you sinning. God's plan doesn't include you cheating on your wife or, you know, or getting an alcohol addiction. That's definitely not God's plan. If it is, then I'm reading the wrong Bible.

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Edgar Rac: But what we're missing out in the Bible is that God can turn

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Edgar Rac: that bad situation that you found yourself in into something good. That doesn't mean he brought you to that situation, and who brings us to that situation is, of course, us, because we can…

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Edgar Rac: on our own, pretty well, without demons getting involved. So that's one thing. It does have to be, like, you know, we always blame the demons.

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Edgar Rac: for our bad decisions, or for our sins. No, we make the conscious decision to do that.

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Edgar Rac: Always. Whether to sin, or to do something bad.

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Edgar Rac: And and yeah, so whenever demons get us out of that path.

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Edgar Rac: That you described, Jill. Of our purpose, of God's will.

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Edgar Rac: then God… of course, that wasn't God's initial plan, but He uses that situation where we are now at.

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Edgar Rac: And turns that into something good, if we turn back to God. And… Hopefully we will.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That… that kind of brings up the… another… another point, because I do know many people that profess to be Christians, and they're… they use it as an excuse. I'm not perfect.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Well, you can try.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Better than you're trying now.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: My experience is generally, and this is mostly among pastors and their wives, that they want to be the center of attention, and God's kind of an afterthought.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Which is… it is… it's a big deal, and they're not really interested in exploring things.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: in the Bible, or the extra-biblical texts, with curiosity, they just want to be right, which is how we end up with all these millions of denominations. And everybody believes something slightly different. I'll use the same names, but it's like.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Y'all aren't talking about the same things.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I'm sorry. An orange is not an apple.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You can call it an orange, but it's still an apple. Absolutely.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: That's my experience. But when do people… how can people identify when you've moved from, like, bad decisions that you're making to, demon influence or demon possession?

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Edgar Rac: Yeah, so the best way to look at this, in order not to be, again, misguided, because there are so many ideas and opinions about this in so many different denominations and churches.

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Edgar Rac: ironically, the church that has the most exorcists is the official Catholic church, like, official exorcists. And that's the church that I disagree with the most. We have conflicts every single week, probably, about my research, about the… and I have conflicts about their methodology as well, and how they're more harm… doing more harm to people than…

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Edgar Rac: then good.

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Edgar Rac: But… The best way to look at it is that…

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Edgar Rac: Satan and demons, just as God, by the way. Just as God.

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Edgar Rac: What they're doing in our day-to-day life is they're sending an invitation.

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Edgar Rac: Sending an invitation to a holy life, to a faithful family life, to prayer, to the Bible, so the demons do the same thing.

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Edgar Rac: they only send invitations. They only send invitations to a demonic realm, to sinful life, to, again, addictions, and there's just… again, the list goes on.

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Edgar Rac: And… It's… it's up to a person to… Which side to accept?

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Edgar Rac: And again, we're not talking about possessed people, because possessed people can make no decisions at all. They cannot think straight, they cannot talk, they cannot even behave straight, like, we're not talking about possessed people right now, but just about regular Christians.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: You are accepting the invitation, why are you blaming the demon for inviting you?

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Edgar Rac: For inviting you to sin, for inviting you to life, for inviting you to, I don't know, betray or do something. You made the conscious decision. Yes.

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Edgar Rac: Demons can work in our lives, really… Subtly.

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Edgar Rac: We don't often see the way they work in our lives. And they work slowly, step by step, in the ways that we would never figure out, in the ways that we would never even, you know, notice.

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Edgar Rac: And after a period of time.

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Edgar Rac: After we are ready, once they worked on us, if that even makes sense.

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Edgar Rac: Had a conversation with a… an exorcist who had a conversation with the demon.

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Edgar Rac: And he asked the demon, for how long have you been working in this person's life?

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Edgar Rac: He said, well, it was around 10 years, I think.

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Edgar Rac: So, when we imagine demos working in our lives, we think something instant, something dramatic, you know.

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Edgar Rac: mugs flying all around the place. No, they're working in an invisible way. Slowly, step by step, making progress like a snowball effect.

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Edgar Rac: Until, you know, until the fruit is ready. So, yeah.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I have a friend who equates demons with, like, parasites, that they attach to us, just like parasites attach to us, and we all have parasites, whether you want to admit to it or not. They're there.

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Edgar Rac: You look horrible. But…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Demon… and we have, you know, some of the things that exist in our bodies, like, we are a collection of organisms.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: as an organism. Like, each cell is an individual organism. And when you look at it from that perspective, when demons attach themselves to us, or infest us,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They… they can be… moved aside, and I think a little bit of confession has to…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: has to do with trying to… to remove… it's like a cleanse, a parasite cleanse. You know, let's get this stuff out, and look at it, and then move on from there.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But, you know, there's people that… do confessions, and they… they…

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: They sin knowing that they're just gonna go and confess later, and it's like… I, you know.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I don't think that's how it was set up to work.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: But I thought that the pillparasitic thing was interesting, and that they feed off the energy of their victims, and the more that they can infect you, the greater their impact, and

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the more that they pull you away from God.

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Edgar Rac: That's absolutely true, and they infect… you said it perfectly, Jill, they infect each and every single Christian

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Edgar Rac: They infect them step by step, all the time, just slowly, again, baby steps. And it's not gonna be something dramatic, like, yesterday I was a Bible-believing Christian, and today I'm an unbeliever. No, it doesn't work like that, usually.

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Edgar Rac: Because first you abandon church, then you abandon reading the Bible. Every day, you start reading it only once a week. Then you suddenly start abandoning prayer, so it's kinda…

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Edgar Rac: It's a very, extremely slow process, usually. And yeah, the idea of confession, the way people see confession, that's spiritual cheating. It's not how it works.

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Edgar Rac: The problem is that, you know, you can trick your priest, you can trick your pastor, you can trick yourself, you're not gonna trick God. He knows what you're doing.

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Edgar Rac: So, yeah, that's… that's why the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom, not the fear of men.

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Edgar Rac: Right? Because once we fear God, we're gonna be viewing confession and, you know, different other stuff, like prayer or reading the Bible completely differently, when it actually starts with

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Interesting. So let me ask you one last question.

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Edgar Rac: Absolutely.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: How about crazy people?

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Edgar Rac: you just added more… a couple of hours more to this podcast, y'all. That's the most difficult question probably ever, so… Okay, so when I was in my, my PhD studies for demonology and exorcism, I had to take a course on psychiatry and psychology as well.

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Edgar Rac: And also, everything I'm saying, you can find that on Google. Most of my research is there, freely available as well.

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Edgar Rac: And I had to take those,

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Edgar Rac: what we're dealing with when we're dealing with the possessed person. Like, what's the difference between possessed person and schizophrenic, for example?

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Edgar Rac: And that is an extremely complicated topic, and it's impossible to answer in 5 minutes, but…

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Edgar Rac: I'll just probably say this briefly.

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Edgar Rac: And that's also gonna upset a lot of people, but I'm used to that.

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Edgar Rac: It's always… like, true… True academic demonologists, true academic exorcists.

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Edgar Rac: Like, there's always a specialist in psychiatry or psychology involved in the process as well.

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Edgar Rac: was also involving the spiritual aspect of his, you know, into his work with his patients. And the reason I'm saying this is because it's never either-or.

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Edgar Rac: Like, if a person is possessed, he will, one way or another, he will show…

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Edgar Rac: Schizophrenia, it can be paranoia, epilepsy, like, you name it, depression, you name it.

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Edgar Rac: Whatever that may be.

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Edgar Rac: And… On the other hand, whenever a person is…

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Edgar Rac: And whenever I'm talking to him, I immediately get this vibe that you probably need my help. Or an excess help, or a pastor's help, or a Christian's help, like, anyone.

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Edgar Rac: So… what I'm… what I'm getting at is that…

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Edgar Rac: All of the psychiatric, all of the mental illnesses that you can imagine, they always go hand in hand with pure demonic possession. It's always 50-50, it's never either-or.

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Edgar Rac: and really proper, good exorcists. After the exorcism is completed, they always direct that person to a therapist, because there's just no other way. You've been possessed for, like, I don't know how long, let's say a couple of months.

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Edgar Rac: Your psyche, your mentality, it will be shaken. It's just… it's inevitable.

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Edgar Rac: So they always go hand in hand, so whenever a person is epileptic, I'm not saying he's possessed.

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Edgar Rac: for example, an epileptic or schizophrenic, I'm not saying those people are possessed, but…

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Edgar Rac: Are there evil spirits in their lives? 100%.

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Edgar Rac: That's just… that's inevitable. They always…

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Edgar Rac: Because here's the… here's the logic behind that. Those spirits that possess you, they are only 1 out of 9.

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Edgar Rac: in the demonological hierarchy, 1 out of 9 evil spirits, like, the kind of evil spirits, that can actually possess a person. And whenever they possess a person, the person's body reacts in the most unnatural ways possible. They start seeing things.

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Edgar Rac: Hence, schizophrenics.

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Edgar Rac: It's probably one of the most demonic… that's probably one of the biggest signs of demonic presence in your life. I'm not saying those people are possessed, but the fact that demons have…

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Edgar Rac: Influence over their physical bodies, 100%.

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Edgar Rac: So yeah, so it's always 50-50.

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Edgar Rac: So that's a very short answer to a very big question.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I really appreciate you coming and chatting with me about all of this. This has been so fascinating, Edgar.

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Edgar Rac: It's… it's my honor, and it's my pleasure.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: Thank you for having me.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: And we didn't even talk about your other community, which is the Horror Cafe, which is a way for people to connect with you on a different level, where they can learn about the kinds of things and talk about,

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: The horror genre, because, you know, demons and horror kind of go together.

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Edgar Rac: Kinda, yeah. Kinda same thing. Yeah, I'm a huge horror fan myself, horror literature and, and horror movies.

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Edgar Rac: So I created this… how do I say this? This chill community for people to just come and…

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Edgar Rac: to create a place for people to come and talk about, horror movies, horror experiences, paranormal experiences, but not in an academic way, or school type of way, like the School of Exorcism, but just in a…

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Edgar Rac: In a chill type of way for people to come and share their thoughts, their experiences, what they've read, what they watched, ask any questions, just talk about the horror side of life in the media, in popular media, and in life itself, so yeah.

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Edgar Rac: And it's absolutely free for anyone to join.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: So… For people to learn more about what you're doing, they can go to

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: either or both communities. The… the exorcism is called, school community is called school.com forward slash

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: School of Exorcism, correct? And then the second community, which is the, just, everybody come and chat about

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: the horror in the world. No politics, please. It's… Oh, no.

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Edgar Rac: Although that's the biggest corner.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I just had to, like, put it out there. That would be school.com forward slash horror cafe.

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Edgar Rac: That's correct.

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Jill Hart-The Coach's Alchemist: I wanted… Thanks for tuning in with us today.

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