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Matt Edmundson: Welcome to this
week's Crowd Church service.

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We are a digital church on a
quest to discover how Jesus helps

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us live a more meaningful life.

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We are a community, a space to explore
the Christian faith, and a place

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Church is all about connecting with
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Where we deep dive into stories of
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For more details.

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And now, the moment you've
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Our online church
service starts right now.

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Wow, good afternoon.

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Jan Burch: Good afternoon.

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Matt Edmundson: Good evening.

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Jan Burch: Good evening.

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Matt Edmundson: How are we doing?

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Jan Burch: Very well, how are you?

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Matt Edmundson: Yeah, good.

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Good, Liverpool just won yeah.

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Warm welcome to, this is not a football
show by the way, warm welcome to you.

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If this is your first time with
us, welcome to Crowd Online Church.

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Great that you're here.

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I am with, next to me is
a beautiful lady, Jen.

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Jan Burch: Hola.

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I am next to Matt.

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Hello.

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Hello, everyone.

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Matt Edmundson: in case you didn't know.

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Yeah.

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Okay, brilliant.

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So welcome to you.

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It's great that you're here.

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Warm welcome to you.

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Join us in the comments.

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Say hi.

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Be great to see how, where you
are watching this from the world.

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If you are in actually in the UK tearing
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that if you're watching this outside the
UK, it's the last day of the season today.

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And so the league gets decided
today, all kinds of things

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get decided today, don't they?

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Yes, we appreciate if you're
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Cause you were sat outside
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Jan Burch: I was in the car.

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Matt Edmundson: you in.

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Jan Burch: and you were
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Matt Edmundson: I was listening
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Yeah today we are talking about
I say we goodness we'll sup with.

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He's talking about goodness.

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The goodness of God, yeah.

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And you've heard the talk.

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Jan Burch: I have.

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Matt Edmundson: Is it
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It is, it's very good.

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Jan Burch: Yeah, certainly is.

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Matt Edmundson: Which is good to know.

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Looking forward to that.

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Hey, Peter's in the comments.

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Matt's in the comments.

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Congratulations to Man City.

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Yeah, hey, they have won the
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A very warm welcome to you.

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Hi, Andy.

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Let me just check.

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I've got to put my glasses on.

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Because for some reason, the
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But welcome, Nicola.

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I see you're in the comments.

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They're not coming up on the screen.

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It's not working today, but
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So if you're watching on Instagram,
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It's great to see you here.

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This is like a, I don't know,
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time going on to Instagram.

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Jan Burch: Yeah.

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Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

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You're watching on Instagram.

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Tell us if it's working.

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So the way this is going to work is
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We are going to play the talk
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And then Jen and I are going
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We're going to talk about it, talk
about your questions, your comments, all

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the stuff you put in the live stream.

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If you're listening to the.

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Talk or the show?

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It's not a show, is it?

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Jan Burch: I don't

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Matt Edmundson: think so.

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Yeah, no, it's not a show.

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If you're listening to Crowd via the
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up, and you're not joining us in the
livestream, very warm welcome to you.

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The way it works is those who
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of comments and questions.

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And then we get to chat about them.

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Which I think is very exciting.

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It is much more exciting.

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So yes, Andy, did you get all your books?

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Andy sent me an email this
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I read and so I'm curious.

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Did you go and get some of those?

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Just let us know.

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I'm too tired for Edmo's ways tonight.

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Come on

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Jan Burch: Matt Crew, don't say that.

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Matt Edmundson: I don't even know
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Jan Burch: I don't know if I've
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Matt Edmundson: yeah.

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Maybe this is something you can imagine.

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I know where he's coming from.

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Fair play.

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Alright we'll talk It's
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It's all good.

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It's all good.

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It's it's good.

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Without further ado, let's play the talk.

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Then Jan, oh no, and Jan.

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I'll start that sentence again.

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It's going to be one of those, isn't it?

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It's going to be one of those.

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So Jen and I will be back after the talk.

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Don't go anywhere.

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Like I say, write your questions,
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Really looking forward to hearing those.

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And we'll see you in there.

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Will Sopwith: We're in the middle
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of the Holy Spirit, the attributes
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life of a person following Jesus.

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And today we're looking at goodness.

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Now, good has perhaps become
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It's a word we sometimes use
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lot to say about something.

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It's a word we use when there's nothing
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It's a word we perhaps use
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How was the film?

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It was good.

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How are you today?

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Good.

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What are the chances of sun tomorrow?

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Good.

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How's your meal?

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How does she do?

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The Lego Movie does an absolutely
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tendency to live in the extremes.

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And if you've never watched
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favour, it's not a kid's film.

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The main character, Emmett, was
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That's sold to him, incidentally.

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That his dull, unchanging
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That everything is awesome.

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Do you ever get an enthusiastic,
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on a telephone helpline?

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Could you give me the first and fourth
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Amazing!

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Now, I'm sorry to go all grumpy
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not amazing, that's just memory.

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Everyone seems to be a hero these
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On the other end of the dial, someone
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If something's gone wrong, it tends to
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If we agree with an idea, we agree 100%.

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It's exhausting living in the extremes,
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that everything should be at the extreme.

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That everything should be
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That if something is just okay, or
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of what it could or should be.

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Why isn't it awesome?

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Why isn't life a constant high
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What's wrong with it?

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What's wrong with me?

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And as I was thinking about
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this was partly the point.

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I absolutely love the concept of goodness,
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It shreds the solid, stable
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world of fragile extremes.

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It quietly offers reassurance of going
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A world where feeling, however fleeting,
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and preferably dialed up to the max.

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Goodness is ordinary, relatively speaking.

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Goodness feels reliable.

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It feels authentic,
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Goodness is safe.

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Perhaps the reason goodness is a
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because we desperately need it.

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In our rather spiritually impoverished
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to mind was an agricultural one.

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The goodness or richness of
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dusty, dry field of no substance.

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Together with the sun, the richness of
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of goodness in a strawberry or a grape.

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Goodness can't be rushed or forced.

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Goodness infuses a crop
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And you know when something is good.

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A tomato ripened through a season of
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one, ripened in a plastic pack in
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So for me, goodness is a deep and
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It's very apt as a fruit.

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But what is it?

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One way to always answer a question like
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Bad.

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Another food analogy.

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When something is good, it's not just
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Bad food is not just unpleasant,
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A good outcome, even if not
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of hope, of positive future.

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A bad outcome has other connotations,
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Goodness also has a multiplying sense.

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Doing something for the greater good
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can spread out to benefit many others.

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As I said, I love the concept of goodness.

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On the surface, we might equate
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And it's interesting that kindness
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that we've been working through.

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But it's described as a
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And it's true that kindness
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goodness, a sign of goodness.

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But goodness feels more like
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Kindness is a way I can sometimes choose
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Be kind is increasingly a response
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kind of acknowledges the fact
that it's a habit to try and form.

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But I think goodness is not so much
a behaviour, but a state of heart.

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We undersell it if we only
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Like the command to a
child, Be good for Grandma.

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In fact, the whole book of Galatians,
where this passage about the fruits

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of the Spirit comes, is about being
set free in God by grace, instead of

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just towing the line to meet God's
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Yeah, the Bible commands us to do good,
but good behaviour learned without

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a deep underlying well of goodness.

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My prison sentence might be shortened for
good behaviour, but it doesn't necessarily

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give confidence to the state of my heart.

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My dog can learn and mimic a certain
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there's an edible reward at stake.

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But he and I both know, I
think, that it's a sham.

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If I left him for too long unsupervised
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dinner, there's no question where his
particular moral compass will steer him.

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You've probably come across the
scenario where a news crew doorsteps

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a member of the public to get
their view on what turned out to

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be a terrorist living next door.

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Invariably, there's surprise expressed.

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They just seem like a good
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So good behaviour can be faked.

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And as I said, I think goodness is like
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It's at the core if it's authentic.

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It's not a learned behaviour but
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This is certainly the sense where
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In Psalm 100 verse 5 it says, God is
good and his love endures forever.

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Jesus says in Matthew chapter 19 to
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him, there's only one who is good.

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Referring to God.

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God doesn't need to be reminded to
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God is good.

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It's part of God's core
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And to be honest, this is tremendously
reassuring because, as I've said,

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we are sorely in need of goodness.

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goodness is not always obvious to us.

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feel God's goodness, Doesn't necessarily

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mean that's always our experience.

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But because God is good, then the fruit
of walking a life in step with God should

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also have the hallmarks of goodness.

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And this is the case for all
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That essence of God's nature
rubs off on us when we seek to

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be transformed through faith.

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When we commit to walk a new path
as a result of that transformation,

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the Christian life exhibits these
fruits of God's nature, not because

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we're trying to be better, but
because we're trying to be better.

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Because somehow the Holy Spirit
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Christians are not just do
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reflectors of God's very nature.

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God's goodness can be traced
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his character, through his works.

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It's there in the original creation,
in Genesis chapter 1 verse 31.

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God saw that it, all
that he'd made, was good.

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The people of Israel were promised a
good land on their escape from Egypt.

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And in Numbers 14 verse 7, it was
described by scouts as exceedingly good.

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To the prophet Nehemiah, in Nehemiah 9
verse 20, God is described like this.

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You gave your good spirit.

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In Lamentations 3, verse 25,
God is described as being good

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to those whose hope is in him.

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And Jesus starts proclaiming the good
news of salvation in Matthew 4, verse 23,

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and argues in Matthew 7, verse 11, that
if human parents know how to give good

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gifts to their children, how much more
does God know how to give good gifts?

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Jesus is described in Acts 10, verse
38, by the first gospel preachers as

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someone who went around doing good.

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In Romans 8, verse 28, we're told
that God works all things for good.

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And in James 1, verse 17,
every good and perfect gift.

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is described as coming from God.

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And finally, Peter, one of the closest
friends of Jesus during his time on

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Earth, describes Christians as those
that have tasted that the Lord is good.

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I hope you're beginning to share
some of my enthusiasm for goodness.

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A final aspect of goodness you might
want to consider is purity and justice.

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And there's a sense that the
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associated with their trustworthiness.

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We have trust that a good
person will do what's right.

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Not because they've learned to, but
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And this is illustrated in a very
well known image Jesus paints

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of himself as the Good Shepherd.

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You probably get an immediate thought
of a romanticised vision of a long

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haired bearded guy in a robe, perhaps
with a halo, tenderly cradling a lamb.

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Let's read what Jesus said.

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It's in John 10, starting at verse 11.

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I am the Good Shepherd.

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The Good Shepherd lays down
his life for the sheep.

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The hired hand is not the shepherd.

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And does not own the sheep.

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So when he sees the wolf coming, he
abandons the sheep and runs away.

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Then the wolf attacks the
flock and scatters it.

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The man runs away because he is a hired
hand and cares nothing for the sheep.

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I am the good shepherd.

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I know my sheep, and my sheep know me.

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Just as the Father knows me,
and I know the Father, and I

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lay down my life for the sheep.

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What defines the shepherd as good?

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He

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looks after the sheep.

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Not because he's being paid, or
because it's personally convenient,

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or because of the social standing
or reputation it will give him.

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He does so because he cares.

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The motivation of the good
shepherd is one of care for

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the sheep, rather than himself.

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Or from some ulterior motive.

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The Good Shepherd even goes so far as
laying down his life for the sheep,

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just what Jesus then went on to do.

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I think deep down we want to be cared
for like this with a constancy, doesn't

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waver with our stupidity or our wandering.

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A care that doesn't rely on
our effort or capacity, but

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remains true in every season.

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A care that's not going to run out
on us at the first sight of trouble.

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This is the image we
have of God's goodness.

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Not only is this God's heart for each
one of us, but this heart can also be our

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heart through the work of the Holy Spirit.

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The

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goodness we experience in God.

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can become a goodness
we express in our lives.

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We have a choice, actually on a day
to day basis, to put our trust in

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this Good Shepherd, to follow him,
or the alternative, to put our trust

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in ourselves, in our own capacity, or
in the social structures around us.

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Or, on the promises a public figure,
or even a business, may make to us.

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This choice often requires submission,
surrender, putting aside our own agenda,

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but goodness is an attribute I've learned
over many years to put my trust in.

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Just a quick testimony of God's
goodness, and I could think of lots of

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stories where I've felt a bit of God's
goodness, but this one's our house.

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We have an amazing house, one of
those corners of Liverpool that's

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The house is a hundred years old,
it's a beautiful street, before it's

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taken over by the rest of the city.

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We'd been looking for about four
years to a house that, with a garden

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that our children could grow up in.

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And, over all those years,
we're just not found anywhere.

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Anyway, we finally find this house.

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Just online.

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And there was one photo of
this house on the online thing.

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Now, normally you're looking for a house
online, it's got photos of every room.

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It had one photo, and
that photo looked perfect.

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Pretty shoddy.

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So we thought this is going to be
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Anyway, thought nothing more of it.

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One morning, woke up just with
the name of the road on my mind.

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This was like weeks after, didn't
even remember I'd seen a house on

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that road and thought nothing of it.

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A couple of days later, I was
just going through my scrolling

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as you do looking for a house.

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And I spotted this house that
I'd saved in my as my sort of

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possible kind of right area.

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Right sort of size.

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And it was the, it was this word.

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It was this road that I'd just
woken up with a few days before.

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So I thought, oh, maybe
I'll go and look at it.

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So I phoned up the estate agent.

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He said, oh, never get
any viewings on that.

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The the owner lives overseas.

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We can never get hold of him.

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Yeah, it's been on for ages.

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No one wants to see it.

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And even if they do, we can't get there.

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Anyway, a very long story.

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But we just felt, me and my
wife, this is God's house for us.

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And we're going to trust in his goodness.

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And it took us 18 months.

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And through that time we got, there
was a crack down the front, the garden

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was flooded, the stairs were broken,
there was a sitting tenant, there were

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squatters at one point, the door was
smashed in, all before we'd bought it.

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And we got a full survey done on it
because it there was a crack down

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the front and big trees and, lots
of stuff that could be really bad.

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And this 50 page report started with,
use extreme caution in buying this house.

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The estate agents thought we were mad.

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We'd looked at other
places, but we kept going.

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Sensing that this was
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Couldn't get a mortgage,
couldn't get insurance.

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Anyway, 18 months since
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Finally, it was ours.

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And from the first moment it's been home,
it's been a lot of work to do on it.

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But all that kind of big work.

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Turned out actually cheaper than
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and less than we'd budgeted for.

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When does that ever happen?

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And all the way through, there
was this sense of, this feels

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crazy, this feels wrong, but I
feel it's what you've said, God.

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And there were moments when
I thought, what on earth am

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I putting my family through?

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Let's just buy somewhere sensible that
doesn't need all this work doing on it.

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But anyway we got the house and
it's been amazing ever since.

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And we've.

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That's it.

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That's just one example of how
we've been able to, year by

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year, be able to do bits to it.

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And that's all, that's just remained this
story of God's goodness in our family.

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I'm saying, against the odds, and we
kept on putting aside, in a sense,

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our own preference in some ways
and say, no, this is a place that

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we feel God's got for us to live.

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And that's just one example
of where you can go.

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If you choose to put your
trust in God, you can begin

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to taste some of his goodness.

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And I tell that story a lot and we
tell it in our family because it's just

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such a good reminder of God's goodness
to us and blessing against the odds.

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Anyway, to wrap up, God is good.

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Goodness is not flash, it's
not fleeting, it's solid.

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And if we've set our lives to follow
Jesus, that goodness will also follow.

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Be at work in our lives.

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So enjoy it and share it.

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Matt Edmundson: Very good.

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Yeah.

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Very good.

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I'm not quite sure what's going
on with the screen, but we're

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both on there at the moment.

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Oh, yeah.

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Ooh, something funky
going on with the cameras.

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Don't know what that is.

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Don't know what that is.

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Jan, you talk a little bit.

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I'm gonna switch that camera on and off.

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Jan Burch: Okay.

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Yeah.

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Now thank you, Will, for that talk.

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That was really challenging.

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I don't know.

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Actually, the last time I heard
anybody talk about goodness.

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I think that's why it's so good
to be going through the, give to

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the spirit and we it's something
that we should be forefront.

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in our minds, really.

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And no, I thought that was challenging.

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Yeah.

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And really interesting as well.

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Yeah.

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Matt Edmundson: Camera's
still being funny.

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Jan Burch: Oh, sorry.

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Yeah.

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Matt Edmundson: Don't
know why it's doing that.

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Yeah.

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Don't know why it's doing that.

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So anyway, let's crack on.

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So yeah.

485
00:25:30,459 --> 00:25:31,679
Yeah, it's just been really funky.

486
00:25:31,679 --> 00:25:33,919
The camera split me in
half for some reason.

487
00:25:33,969 --> 00:25:34,689
And I don't know why.

488
00:25:34,729 --> 00:25:38,674
Let's Yeah, who knows.

489
00:25:39,294 --> 00:25:41,174
Every week a tech issue is right, Mr.

490
00:25:41,194 --> 00:25:41,444
Crew.

491
00:25:41,494 --> 00:25:43,214
It wouldn't be Crowd Church
without a tech issue, would it?

492
00:25:44,084 --> 00:25:44,774
It wouldn't.

493
00:25:46,254 --> 00:25:48,524
Why do church if you can't
have any tech issues?

494
00:25:48,524 --> 00:25:51,554
So what I'm going to do is put the
camera back on Jan, and then we'll

495
00:25:51,564 --> 00:25:55,484
keep talking, and I'm going to
set up another camera, real quick.

496
00:25:56,059 --> 00:25:58,749
Jan Burch: Keep talking,
we'll keep talking.

497
00:25:59,219 --> 00:26:04,229
Yeah one of the first points, we'd love to
hear what you all thought of Will's talk.

498
00:26:04,669 --> 00:26:09,049
If you've got any comments, please
send them in, write them down.

499
00:26:09,509 --> 00:26:10,939
We'd love to discuss.

500
00:26:11,344 --> 00:26:12,544
Your thoughts as well.

501
00:26:13,064 --> 00:26:18,534
But goodness I had a quick look
earlier of the dictionary definition.

502
00:26:19,134 --> 00:26:24,634
And it says that it's a morality,
a virtue, and it refers to

503
00:26:24,634 --> 00:26:27,094
qualities of Someone's character.

504
00:26:27,644 --> 00:26:27,944
Yeah.

505
00:26:28,074 --> 00:26:32,924
And it's general quality
recognizing character or conduct.

506
00:26:33,414 --> 00:26:35,234
So what we thought.

507
00:26:35,674 --> 00:26:39,364
But then I read about the
Greek word for goodness.

508
00:26:39,609 --> 00:26:47,089
which is agathosune, yeah agathosune,
yeah, really messed that one up probably

509
00:26:47,159 --> 00:26:53,929
no and it means an uprightness of
heart and life, ooh It says, the Greek

510
00:26:53,979 --> 00:27:00,009
describes goodness as an action, a
bit like love, in that it's not just

511
00:27:00,009 --> 00:27:05,339
about your heart, it's actually how you
live your life, it's about goodness,

512
00:27:06,019 --> 00:27:07,379
so I thought that was interesting.

513
00:27:07,709 --> 00:27:08,829
Matt Edmundson: And do
you agree with that?

514
00:27:09,609 --> 00:27:13,821
Jan Burch: Yeah I do
yeah, of course, yeah.

515
00:27:13,821 --> 00:27:18,307
And Will described it as a foundational.

516
00:27:19,172 --> 00:27:22,522
attribute and God's core nature.

517
00:27:23,162 --> 00:27:23,492
Yeah,

518
00:27:25,922 --> 00:27:27,022
Matt Edmundson: very much his core nature.

519
00:27:27,782 --> 00:27:28,982
Sorry about this, ladies and gentlemen.

520
00:27:29,862 --> 00:27:31,812
For those of you watching on
YouTube, you get to see me twice.

521
00:27:31,962 --> 00:27:34,102
And for those watching on Instagram,
you don't get to see me at all.

522
00:27:35,842 --> 00:27:38,112
Which might be a blessing to many people.

523
00:27:39,622 --> 00:27:40,412
We just don't know.

524
00:27:40,412 --> 00:27:42,352
And hopefully we'll get
that fixed at some point.

525
00:27:43,292 --> 00:27:46,742
I just this bizarre how it's just done
that I don't really know what to say.

526
00:27:48,092 --> 00:27:50,472
Yeah, how very peculiar.

527
00:27:51,212 --> 00:27:52,692
Let's talk about God's goodness then.

528
00:27:53,122 --> 00:27:53,422
Yeah.

529
00:27:54,802 --> 00:27:56,862
Because God's good irrespective
of what happens in the life.

530
00:27:56,942 --> 00:27:58,382
Jan Burch: Yes, yeah.

531
00:27:59,092 --> 00:28:01,672
Matt Edmundson: Irrespective of whether
we get a picture split in two or not.

532
00:28:01,982 --> 00:28:02,242
Yeah.

533
00:28:02,752 --> 00:28:03,602
He is still good.

534
00:28:03,892 --> 00:28:06,662
And Andy actually said in the comment,
God is good even when we don't deserve it.

535
00:28:06,702 --> 00:28:07,082
Jan Burch: Yeah.

536
00:28:07,572 --> 00:28:08,222
Matt Edmundson: Do you think that's right?

537
00:28:09,142 --> 00:28:10,322
Jan Burch: Yeah, absolutely.

538
00:28:10,322 --> 00:28:10,892
Absolutely.

539
00:28:10,892 --> 00:28:13,772
The kindness, that's the
essence of who he is.

540
00:28:13,932 --> 00:28:16,112
It's an unconditional love, isn't it?

541
00:28:16,702 --> 00:28:21,302
And he's, does things for
us and in our lives that, we

542
00:28:21,302 --> 00:28:23,412
could never earn or deserve.

543
00:28:23,482 --> 00:28:24,702
Yeah.

544
00:28:24,702 --> 00:28:27,072
So yeah, I do, I agree with that, Andy.

545
00:28:27,372 --> 00:28:27,642
Yeah.

546
00:28:28,232 --> 00:28:29,192
Matt Edmundson: It's got
to be true, hasn't it?

547
00:28:29,192 --> 00:28:33,852
Because fundamentally we never deserved,
we Any goodness from God in many ways,

548
00:28:34,082 --> 00:28:38,252
but he, the goodness of God doesn't
depend on how well, how good we've been.

549
00:28:38,322 --> 00:28:38,762
No.

550
00:28:38,842 --> 00:28:39,512
If that makes sense.

551
00:28:39,532 --> 00:28:39,882
No.

552
00:28:40,372 --> 00:28:41,402
And actually, that's quite nice.

553
00:28:41,432 --> 00:28:41,752
Jan Burch: Yeah.

554
00:28:42,882 --> 00:28:43,302
Matt Edmundson: Absolutely.

555
00:28:43,452 --> 00:28:44,192
It's the grace of

556
00:28:44,212 --> 00:28:44,852
Jan Burch: God, isn't it?

557
00:28:44,992 --> 00:28:45,512
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

558
00:28:46,422 --> 00:28:46,792
Yeah, it is.

559
00:28:46,792 --> 00:28:47,582
It's the grace of God.

560
00:28:47,832 --> 00:28:48,192
Yeah.

561
00:28:48,192 --> 00:28:51,032
So just you said you were looking in
the dictionary on what goodness was.

562
00:28:51,032 --> 00:28:51,342
Yeah.

563
00:28:51,612 --> 00:28:52,722
Just read those again.

564
00:28:53,102 --> 00:28:54,782
Jan Burch: Yeah, it's about morality.

565
00:28:54,812 --> 00:29:02,002
It's about being having virtue, and refers
to qualities like that of character.

566
00:29:02,132 --> 00:29:02,462
Yeah.

567
00:29:02,552 --> 00:29:07,432
And it says yes, generally
recognizing character or conduct.

568
00:29:07,932 --> 00:29:14,892
And then the Greek talks of goodness as
an action, and an uprightness of heart.

569
00:29:14,892 --> 00:29:14,952
Yeah.

570
00:29:14,952 --> 00:29:14,967
Yeah.

571
00:29:15,277 --> 00:29:16,207
and life.

572
00:29:16,557 --> 00:29:16,887
Yeah.

573
00:29:17,467 --> 00:29:20,957
So it's not just how you
behave, or what you say.

574
00:29:21,767 --> 00:29:25,247
But it's actually how you live
your life when no one's looking.

575
00:29:25,687 --> 00:29:26,617
Oh, like that.

576
00:29:27,437 --> 00:29:27,847
And

577
00:29:28,127 --> 00:29:28,737
Matt Edmundson: Like that a lot.

578
00:29:28,907 --> 00:29:29,327
Yeah.

579
00:29:30,017 --> 00:29:32,117
How do we were talking
about how God is good.

580
00:29:32,597 --> 00:29:32,777
Yeah.

581
00:29:34,367 --> 00:29:36,037
How do you then see in the light of that?

582
00:29:36,037 --> 00:29:36,777
How do you see?

583
00:29:37,227 --> 00:29:37,827
God is good.

584
00:29:37,827 --> 00:29:38,947
What does that mean to you?

585
00:29:40,757 --> 00:29:46,942
Jan Burch: And He is the only
one of us, only person, only

586
00:29:47,812 --> 00:29:51,992
deity that is without sin.

587
00:29:52,052 --> 00:29:52,352
Yeah.

588
00:29:52,852 --> 00:29:54,962
We are all imperfect.

589
00:29:55,012 --> 00:29:55,262
Yeah.

590
00:29:55,782 --> 00:29:57,832
We are becoming more like Jesus.

591
00:29:57,832 --> 00:30:01,232
We're growing into his, becoming
more like him day by day.

592
00:30:01,742 --> 00:30:02,782
But we're still not.

593
00:30:03,432 --> 00:30:06,892
There and we won't be perfect
until we're in heaven.

594
00:30:07,192 --> 00:30:07,422
Matt Edmundson: Yeah,

595
00:30:08,212 --> 00:30:13,972
Jan Burch: so only really at three
o'clock in the morning at 1 a.

596
00:30:13,972 --> 00:30:20,372
m in the morning My reaction
to something may not be good.

597
00:30:20,452 --> 00:30:23,412
Yeah, whereas God is always good

598
00:30:23,462 --> 00:30:23,722
Matt Edmundson: Yeah,

599
00:30:24,612 --> 00:30:27,662
Jan Burch: so not only is his
character good, but the way he

600
00:30:27,662 --> 00:30:33,232
behaves and it's general who
he is at the very core is good.

601
00:30:33,472 --> 00:30:34,852
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, no, totally agree.

602
00:30:35,242 --> 00:30:35,772
Totally agree.

603
00:30:36,142 --> 00:30:36,682
I love that.

604
00:30:36,722 --> 00:30:41,662
And I think when you then think
about God being, because in Christian

605
00:30:41,662 --> 00:30:45,102
circles, there's very much this
phrase, isn't there, that God is good.

606
00:30:45,132 --> 00:30:45,482
Yeah.

607
00:30:45,872 --> 00:30:50,492
And Christians have a habit of saying
that even when things aren't good.

608
00:30:51,207 --> 00:30:51,567
Yeah.

609
00:30:51,587 --> 00:30:52,287
Do you see what I mean?

610
00:30:52,347 --> 00:30:52,557
Yes.

611
00:30:52,577 --> 00:30:54,007
When life is not good.

612
00:30:54,387 --> 00:30:54,697
Yeah.

613
00:30:55,027 --> 00:30:57,127
Jan Burch: In spite of what's going on.

614
00:30:57,137 --> 00:30:58,397
In spite of what's going on.

615
00:30:58,477 --> 00:30:58,827
Yeah.

616
00:30:59,117 --> 00:31:01,977
Matt Edmundson: We will often
hear people say that God is good.

617
00:31:02,467 --> 00:31:03,667
Have you ever found yourself doing that?

618
00:31:03,917 --> 00:31:04,347
Jan Burch: Yeah.

619
00:31:04,887 --> 00:31:05,307
I have.

620
00:31:05,337 --> 00:31:05,687
I have

621
00:31:05,687 --> 00:31:06,137
Matt Edmundson: done it.

622
00:31:06,247 --> 00:31:06,617
Jan Burch: Yeah.

623
00:31:07,047 --> 00:31:09,747
Matt Edmundson: I guess one of the
questions if I try and think a little

624
00:31:09,747 --> 00:31:12,397
bit, if I was new to the Christian faith.

625
00:31:12,677 --> 00:31:13,047
Yeah.

626
00:31:13,867 --> 00:31:14,627
Would I.

627
00:31:15,287 --> 00:31:15,427
Yeah.

628
00:31:16,177 --> 00:31:19,497
Would I understand what that meant?

629
00:31:19,847 --> 00:31:23,927
So if something's going on that, and it
looks like God's not involved or God's

630
00:31:23,927 --> 00:31:25,547
not doing whatever God needs to do.

631
00:31:26,207 --> 00:31:28,827
But at the same time, I'm
proclaiming the goodness of God.

632
00:31:28,857 --> 00:31:29,187
Yeah.

633
00:31:29,647 --> 00:31:30,777
Is that delusional?

634
00:31:30,837 --> 00:31:31,677
Am I deluded?

635
00:31:32,877 --> 00:31:34,277
Does that make sense?

636
00:31:34,427 --> 00:31:34,737
Jan Burch: Totally.

637
00:31:34,737 --> 00:31:35,977
It's a very good point.

638
00:31:36,107 --> 00:31:39,937
I think as a young Christian or
a new Christian, you would be.

639
00:31:40,452 --> 00:31:47,502
Totally baffled by that, but I
think what the Christian is doing is

640
00:31:47,502 --> 00:31:55,132
reminding themselves that in spite
of what is going on all around me,

641
00:31:55,442 --> 00:32:02,022
I know that God is unchangeable and
unmoving and God is always good.

642
00:32:02,382 --> 00:32:05,652
So it just because something
bad's happening, it doesn't

643
00:32:05,652 --> 00:32:07,062
mean God's any different.

644
00:32:07,102 --> 00:32:07,392
Yeah.

645
00:32:07,692 --> 00:32:08,832
God hasn't changed.

646
00:32:09,387 --> 00:32:12,847
I think we often do say that
as a reminder, it's like you

647
00:32:12,847 --> 00:32:14,747
speak into your spirit, yeah.

648
00:32:15,627 --> 00:32:15,847
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

649
00:32:15,847 --> 00:32:16,907
And in the Psalms, David.

650
00:32:16,907 --> 00:32:17,727
But you're right though.

651
00:32:17,747 --> 00:32:18,067
Yeah.

652
00:32:18,407 --> 00:32:20,377
David would often speak
to himself wouldn't he?

653
00:32:20,377 --> 00:32:22,657
And he would remind himself
of the goodness of God.

654
00:32:22,797 --> 00:32:25,497
And how God was in fact good.

655
00:32:25,547 --> 00:32:25,867
Yeah.

656
00:32:26,497 --> 00:32:28,527
Irrespective of what
was going on around him.

657
00:32:28,527 --> 00:32:29,057
Yes.

658
00:32:29,407 --> 00:32:33,487
And I think it's, it can be hard to
understand that concept, I think.

659
00:32:33,747 --> 00:32:33,997
Yeah.

660
00:32:35,312 --> 00:32:38,412
Quite rightly, I think people could
say that is that feels like you're

661
00:32:38,412 --> 00:32:41,322
slightly deluded, or that you're
like a crutch, or you're convincing

662
00:32:41,322 --> 00:32:44,082
yourself that something's true,
that's not because God was good.

663
00:32:44,082 --> 00:32:45,362
Why would you be in this mess?

664
00:32:46,292 --> 00:32:50,902
And actually, my understanding of God
is not that he will keep me out of

665
00:32:50,902 --> 00:32:54,792
every mess, but he will be with me
in every mess, if that makes sense.

666
00:32:54,932 --> 00:32:55,122
Yeah.

667
00:32:55,122 --> 00:32:56,852
And I think it's a good analogy.

668
00:32:57,092 --> 00:33:00,802
We'll talk a bit about, with the
parent analogy, that actually,

669
00:33:01,977 --> 00:33:03,457
I think I'm a good parent.

670
00:33:03,737 --> 00:33:04,907
I am a good dad.

671
00:33:05,397 --> 00:33:07,187
But I don't solve all
the problems for my kids.

672
00:33:07,207 --> 00:33:07,587
No.

673
00:33:08,257 --> 00:33:09,577
And I think that's part
of being a good dad.

674
00:33:09,637 --> 00:33:10,947
Jan Burch: And nor are you meant to.

675
00:33:10,997 --> 00:33:11,327
Yeah.

676
00:33:11,927 --> 00:33:19,157
I just think the whole parenting
thing and looking looking at things

677
00:33:19,157 --> 00:33:23,537
in that context We, yeah, I've just
totally lost my train of thought.

678
00:33:26,267 --> 00:33:28,127
Completely went then, I'm sorry.

679
00:33:28,177 --> 00:33:28,407
No,

680
00:33:28,587 --> 00:33:28,657
Matt Edmundson: not at all.

681
00:33:28,857 --> 00:33:29,377
Jan Burch: Middle aged

682
00:33:29,407 --> 00:33:29,797
Matt Edmundson: women.

683
00:33:32,347 --> 00:33:34,597
I'm not saying that, I'm not getting
involved in that conversation.

684
00:33:35,047 --> 00:33:37,567
Just say what you said a moment ago.

685
00:33:38,087 --> 00:33:42,177
So the goodness of God, as a
parent, it's not my responsibility

686
00:33:42,947 --> 00:33:43,937
to solve every problem.

687
00:33:43,937 --> 00:33:45,057
What I was going to say.

688
00:33:45,397 --> 00:33:46,167
Jan Burch: Okay, you've figured it out.

689
00:33:46,177 --> 00:33:46,527
Sorry.

690
00:33:46,537 --> 00:33:46,767
Go for it.

691
00:33:47,402 --> 00:33:52,642
What I was going to say is the reason
sometimes people can say, Christians can

692
00:33:52,642 --> 00:33:58,352
say things like that, that God is good and
blah, blah, blah, is because we know him.

693
00:33:58,472 --> 00:34:01,662
We have a relationship with a person.

694
00:34:01,722 --> 00:34:01,982
Yeah.

695
00:34:02,032 --> 00:34:05,912
He's not just somebody that
we've we've learned about.

696
00:34:05,912 --> 00:34:10,132
Yes, we have learned about him
in, through the Bible and stories.

697
00:34:10,672 --> 00:34:16,507
But most of us now, many of us
would say that we've entered

698
00:34:16,507 --> 00:34:18,327
into a personal relationship.

699
00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:18,607
Yeah.

700
00:34:19,057 --> 00:34:24,587
So it's for that reason, we
know, even though circumstances

701
00:34:24,747 --> 00:34:27,427
are often very difficult.

702
00:34:28,167 --> 00:34:30,717
And life is difficult.

703
00:34:32,907 --> 00:34:34,787
It doesn't change who God is.

704
00:34:35,167 --> 00:34:35,457
No.

705
00:34:35,987 --> 00:34:37,827
And God is good.

706
00:34:38,177 --> 00:34:38,717
All the time.

707
00:34:38,867 --> 00:34:39,087
Yeah.

708
00:34:39,167 --> 00:34:42,517
And he is goodness itself.

709
00:34:42,607 --> 00:34:42,877
Yeah.

710
00:34:43,297 --> 00:34:45,067
Like it just as he is love.

711
00:34:45,527 --> 00:34:47,207
He's not just has love.

712
00:34:47,337 --> 00:34:48,557
Yeah, God is love.

713
00:34:48,607 --> 00:34:48,887
Yeah

714
00:34:50,947 --> 00:34:58,337
So I think once you get to know somebody
You then know their characteristics and

715
00:34:58,337 --> 00:35:03,297
you then would say that he they would
never do that Yeah, you know because I

716
00:35:03,297 --> 00:35:11,047
know them so We you know as we get to know
God more and more Deeper and deeper then

717
00:35:11,057 --> 00:35:13,737
we will be able to say that God is good.

718
00:35:13,777 --> 00:35:13,967
Yeah

719
00:35:16,167 --> 00:35:17,017
Matt Edmundson: No, I love that.

720
00:35:17,187 --> 00:35:18,357
Absolutely love that.

721
00:35:18,857 --> 00:35:21,427
I think it's let me just, I'm just
going to do something real quick.

722
00:35:21,427 --> 00:35:22,927
I'm going to zoom this one out.

723
00:35:23,757 --> 00:35:26,187
Oh, no, zoom in.

724
00:35:26,187 --> 00:35:26,617
There we go.

725
00:35:27,077 --> 00:35:27,847
Hello everybody.

726
00:35:28,387 --> 00:35:29,657
Sorry about all the camera issues.

727
00:35:29,657 --> 00:35:32,408
Hopefully you can see us all okay.

728
00:35:32,408 --> 00:35:34,591
It's just going to be a
little bit funky on Instagram.

729
00:35:34,601 --> 00:35:36,181
So we're going to have to
come a little bit closer.

730
00:35:36,321 --> 00:35:37,781
Jan, come in a little bit closer.

731
00:35:37,781 --> 00:35:38,501
Okay.

732
00:35:39,631 --> 00:35:41,056
Oh, left the chair.

733
00:35:43,861 --> 00:35:44,461
. There it is.

734
00:35:44,461 --> 00:35:45,001
Don't be shy.

735
00:35:45,001 --> 00:35:45,961
Let's get a bit closer.

736
00:35:46,621 --> 00:35:47,191
'cause they no one.

737
00:35:47,281 --> 00:35:47,851
There you go.

738
00:35:48,331 --> 00:35:48,961
No one can see us.

739
00:35:48,961 --> 00:35:49,861
It's just lean in.

740
00:35:49,891 --> 00:35:50,371
Lean in.

741
00:35:50,531 --> 00:35:51,041
So yeah.

742
00:35:51,041 --> 00:35:52,601
So the goodness of God then.

743
00:35:52,751 --> 00:35:53,051
Yeah.

744
00:35:53,161 --> 00:35:54,871
So you think it's foundational
to the Christian faith?

745
00:35:55,551 --> 00:35:57,891
. Jan Burch: I think it's
the very nature of God.

746
00:35:57,921 --> 00:35:58,101
Yeah.

747
00:35:58,101 --> 00:35:59,376
It's the essence of who he is.

748
00:36:00,896 --> 00:36:03,466
Therefore, we're made in his image.

749
00:36:04,066 --> 00:36:07,836
And we are, aiming to be more like him.

750
00:36:07,866 --> 00:36:14,136
So goodness ought to be, could
be a part of our characters.

751
00:36:14,206 --> 00:36:14,536
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

752
00:36:15,956 --> 00:36:16,856
Yeah, absolutely.

753
00:36:16,946 --> 00:36:17,656
Absolutely.

754
00:36:19,246 --> 00:36:22,726
I have to remember on days like
today, when I'm stuck in bed due

755
00:36:22,766 --> 00:36:24,266
to MS pain, that God is good.

756
00:36:25,806 --> 00:36:26,526
Bless you, Nicola.

757
00:36:29,316 --> 00:36:32,346
Yeah, and it's a really interesting
tension that you have to walk coming

758
00:36:32,346 --> 00:36:36,176
back to that point you mentioned
earlier about the belief in the goodness

759
00:36:36,176 --> 00:36:39,426
of God, despite my circumstances.

760
00:36:39,436 --> 00:36:39,826
Yeah.

761
00:36:40,936 --> 00:36:42,966
And that God is fundamentally good.

762
00:36:43,186 --> 00:36:43,526
Yeah.

763
00:36:43,526 --> 00:36:51,016
And, but the outworking of what that
means, partly because the plan of God

764
00:36:51,346 --> 00:36:54,726
is not just about me, the plan of God
is about the whole of mankind, right?

765
00:36:54,726 --> 00:36:54,776
Yeah.

766
00:36:55,741 --> 00:36:56,571
The whole of the world.

767
00:36:56,571 --> 00:36:59,041
And so I think God is always
thinking on a much bigger level.

768
00:36:59,041 --> 00:36:59,371
Yeah.

769
00:36:59,531 --> 00:37:03,291
But at the same time is still
very interested in life and in the

770
00:37:03,291 --> 00:37:05,771
pain that we're going through at
the phase of this phase of life.

771
00:37:05,771 --> 00:37:10,341
Yeah, I think it's very important
to remind ourselves that God is good

772
00:37:10,341 --> 00:37:11,961
because I think it's easy to forget that.

773
00:37:11,971 --> 00:37:13,201
And I think it's easy to.

774
00:37:14,476 --> 00:37:19,136
judge the goodness of God by the
circumstance that we're living through.

775
00:37:19,156 --> 00:37:20,996
So if life is good, God is good.

776
00:37:21,136 --> 00:37:21,506
Yeah.

777
00:37:21,716 --> 00:37:24,196
And, we often joke about that
phrase in our house, happy wife.

778
00:37:24,196 --> 00:37:29,356
And  it's a bit like that, if
life is happy, then God is good.

779
00:37:29,606 --> 00:37:29,996
Yeah.

780
00:37:30,036 --> 00:37:31,706
And God is real and God
is answering prayer.

781
00:37:31,706 --> 00:37:37,176
But if life is not like that, then
we struggled sometimes to believe.

782
00:37:37,186 --> 00:37:38,096
That's a bit shallow,

783
00:37:38,146 --> 00:37:38,786
Jan Burch: though, isn't it?

784
00:37:38,896 --> 00:37:39,836
That's a bit shallow.

785
00:37:39,986 --> 00:37:45,726
That's almost it's easy, isn't it, to
be happy and to be believe the best

786
00:37:45,726 --> 00:37:48,136
of anyone when things are going well.

787
00:37:48,566 --> 00:37:48,906
Yeah.

788
00:37:48,956 --> 00:37:53,526
But it's, when things aren't quite
so good on a Monday morning, when

789
00:37:53,526 --> 00:37:57,966
you've got a flat tire or blah,
blah, blah, you've ran out of, Yeah,

790
00:37:58,006 --> 00:37:59,816
ham to make sandwiches or whatever.

791
00:38:00,506 --> 00:38:01,496
Those common things.

792
00:38:01,546 --> 00:38:01,786
I'm

793
00:38:01,786 --> 00:38:03,156
Matt Edmundson: loving these analogies.

794
00:38:04,066 --> 00:38:05,566
Jan Burch: Does this
happen on a regular basis?

795
00:38:05,576 --> 00:38:06,736
Yeah, sometimes it does.

796
00:38:07,256 --> 00:38:08,616
Can be quite regular.

797
00:38:08,616 --> 00:38:09,586
Feeling your pain right there.

798
00:38:11,426 --> 00:38:14,346
And it's all, it can go
downhill quite quickly.

799
00:38:14,726 --> 00:38:14,996
Yeah.

800
00:38:17,076 --> 00:38:17,666
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, it can.

801
00:38:17,926 --> 00:38:18,366
It can.

802
00:38:18,866 --> 00:38:21,126
But God is fundamentally good.

803
00:38:21,386 --> 00:38:25,796
I love what Will was saying at the start
is like he was talking about how the

804
00:38:25,796 --> 00:38:28,686
way we use the word good at the moment.

805
00:38:29,376 --> 00:38:33,536
It's lost its, it feels like
it's lost its oomph a little bit.

806
00:38:33,536 --> 00:38:34,496
It's lost its meaning.

807
00:38:34,496 --> 00:38:36,796
It's lost its sort of its mojo.

808
00:38:36,816 --> 00:38:39,446
Yeah, or the weather's good,
or this is good, or yeah.

809
00:38:41,871 --> 00:38:44,891
Do you remember the first place
the Bible uses the word good?

810
00:38:46,291 --> 00:38:47,621
Jan Burch: In creation.

811
00:38:47,671 --> 00:38:47,881
In

812
00:38:47,881 --> 00:38:48,381
Matt Edmundson: creation.

813
00:38:48,391 --> 00:38:48,811
Yeah.

814
00:38:48,841 --> 00:38:49,261
The Bible says it.

815
00:38:49,261 --> 00:38:50,511
He saw it was good.

816
00:38:50,511 --> 00:38:51,151
Yeah, correct.

817
00:38:51,151 --> 00:38:52,621
The heavens and the earth
and said it was good.

818
00:38:52,661 --> 00:38:53,001
Yeah.

819
00:38:53,491 --> 00:38:56,501
And and then he he creates
everything and it was good.

820
00:38:56,501 --> 00:38:59,581
And I think if that's the
definition of goodness that's

821
00:38:59,581 --> 00:39:00,761
the definition of good thing.

822
00:39:00,761 --> 00:39:00,981
Yeah.

823
00:39:00,981 --> 00:39:04,821
I think we've got some way to go to
redeem that word in our thinking.

824
00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:09,501
That actually, when God uses the word
good, he's talking about creation.

825
00:39:09,551 --> 00:39:11,481
The creation of world was good.

826
00:39:11,721 --> 00:39:12,101
Yeah.

827
00:39:12,131 --> 00:39:13,801
Whereas we use it as though it's okay.

828
00:39:14,171 --> 00:39:17,611
And I think sometimes we've
underestimated is the wrong phrase.

829
00:39:17,711 --> 00:39:19,871
But we've devalued is a much better word.

830
00:39:19,871 --> 00:39:20,291
Yeah, you're right.

831
00:39:20,291 --> 00:39:21,641
Devalued the word good.

832
00:39:21,731 --> 00:39:21,881
Yeah.

833
00:39:21,881 --> 00:39:23,081
And what it means to us.

834
00:39:23,291 --> 00:39:23,681
Yeah.

835
00:39:23,931 --> 00:39:28,581
And I think, so when we say that God
is good, it's not oh, God's all right.

836
00:39:28,581 --> 00:39:30,111
And, but God is good.

837
00:39:30,111 --> 00:39:32,811
He is this is insanely good.

838
00:39:32,811 --> 00:39:34,911
This is, awesomeness that is and massive.

839
00:39:34,911 --> 00:39:36,651
It is just, it is the way it is.

840
00:39:36,656 --> 00:39:36,716
Yeah.

841
00:39:36,721 --> 00:39:39,921
And I think, nicholas put in the
comments, they've just popped up here.

842
00:39:39,921 --> 00:39:41,751
Everything is awesome.

843
00:39:42,091 --> 00:39:44,051
Matt will mention this
in his talk, didn't he?

844
00:39:44,051 --> 00:39:46,301
The Lego thing using the word awesome.

845
00:39:46,301 --> 00:39:47,081
Everything is awesome.

846
00:39:48,271 --> 00:39:49,891
And I just put in the
comments to Nicholas.

847
00:39:49,891 --> 00:39:50,491
I said, thanks for that.

848
00:39:50,491 --> 00:39:51,861
Cause I've now got that stuck in my head.

849
00:39:51,861 --> 00:39:52,344
I know.

850
00:39:52,344 --> 00:39:54,548
I've got that song
going around and around.

851
00:39:55,148 --> 00:39:58,408
But everything it's, but if everything
is awesome, nothing is awesome.

852
00:39:59,388 --> 00:40:00,298
Yeah, exactly.

853
00:40:00,368 --> 00:40:02,228
You've got to have that sort of contrast.

854
00:40:02,228 --> 00:40:02,548
Haven't you?

855
00:40:02,548 --> 00:40:02,958
Apparently.

856
00:40:03,448 --> 00:40:07,698
And the same if everything's good, then
I remember sitting down with Felicity

857
00:40:07,698 --> 00:40:12,388
Jeffery once, who's a dear friend,
and she's just an absolute legend.

858
00:40:13,078 --> 00:40:18,778
And Felicity was very much she was
like, she was almost telling me

859
00:40:18,778 --> 00:40:20,828
off for overusing the word awesome.

860
00:40:20,838 --> 00:40:21,318
Yeah.

861
00:40:22,318 --> 00:40:25,178
And she's I've had enough of people
saying all that panini was awesome.

862
00:40:25,188 --> 00:40:26,048
It wasn't awesome.

863
00:40:26,058 --> 00:40:26,858
God's awesome.

864
00:40:27,488 --> 00:40:29,958
And I think it's a, in some
respects, it's the right thing to

865
00:40:29,978 --> 00:40:31,898
do just to reframe your vocabulary.

866
00:40:31,918 --> 00:40:32,318
Yeah.

867
00:40:32,508 --> 00:40:34,758
You know what you mean
by words like awesome.

868
00:40:34,768 --> 00:40:35,098
Yeah.

869
00:40:35,108 --> 00:40:35,608
Good.

870
00:40:36,058 --> 00:40:38,568
Although I have a t shirt on
that says, I don't know if

871
00:40:38,578 --> 00:40:40,438
you can see it to the camera.

872
00:40:40,658 --> 00:40:41,158
Oh, yeah.

873
00:40:41,168 --> 00:40:41,428
Jan Burch: Sorry.

874
00:40:41,548 --> 00:40:41,678
What is it?

875
00:40:41,678 --> 00:40:42,308
It

876
00:40:42,308 --> 00:40:43,528
Matt Edmundson: says create it awesome.

877
00:40:46,913 --> 00:40:47,093
You

878
00:40:47,103 --> 00:40:48,263
Jan Burch: have been created.

879
00:40:48,703 --> 00:40:49,153
Matt Edmundson: Awesome.

880
00:40:49,163 --> 00:40:50,393
Jan Burch: Yeah, you are awesome, Matt.

881
00:40:50,413 --> 00:40:53,093
Matt Edmundson: And so I think
it's, yeah, I think in that phrase,

882
00:40:53,233 --> 00:40:56,003
it is actually, this is a t shirt
designed by my daughter, by the way.

883
00:40:56,063 --> 00:40:57,363
Oh, wow, really?

884
00:40:57,423 --> 00:40:57,723
Yeah.

885
00:40:57,723 --> 00:41:00,193
And it's a little
catchphrase I have that Yeah.

886
00:41:00,943 --> 00:41:02,373
It's just a burden we have to bear.

887
00:41:02,423 --> 00:41:03,103
Yeah, exactly.

888
00:41:03,103 --> 00:41:05,663
When I sign off a podcast,
we're created awesome, it's just

889
00:41:05,663 --> 00:41:06,393
a burden you've got to bear.

890
00:41:06,393 --> 00:41:10,053
And I think, yeah, it's one of
those things where, actually, yes,

891
00:41:10,053 --> 00:41:13,908
I was created, By an awesome God.

892
00:41:14,158 --> 00:41:14,518
Yeah.

893
00:41:14,608 --> 00:41:15,888
That is awesome.

894
00:41:15,918 --> 00:41:16,458
Yes.

895
00:41:16,798 --> 00:41:17,788
A panini.

896
00:41:19,138 --> 00:41:20,528
It might taste good.

897
00:41:20,898 --> 00:41:21,378
Yeah.

898
00:41:21,998 --> 00:41:22,658
Jan Burch: Nice.

899
00:41:22,738 --> 00:41:23,438
Matt Edmundson: Nice.

900
00:41:23,438 --> 00:41:23,648
Flavoursome.

901
00:41:23,648 --> 00:41:25,108
Flavoursome.

902
00:41:25,188 --> 00:41:26,688
But it is not awesome.

903
00:41:26,688 --> 00:41:26,988
No.

904
00:41:27,118 --> 00:41:29,448
And yeah, take his awesome
on a Sunday, says Matt.

905
00:41:30,038 --> 00:41:31,108
Oh yeah, I love that, Andy.

906
00:41:31,178 --> 00:41:34,388
Andy says, that's why it's called the
Great Outdoors because it's not just good.

907
00:41:36,488 --> 00:41:37,328
It's interesting, isn't it?

908
00:41:38,508 --> 00:41:40,198
Again, just redeeming words.

909
00:41:40,198 --> 00:41:42,648
There was a book written by Jim
Collins, which is actually quite an

910
00:41:42,648 --> 00:41:46,028
interesting book, if you've never
read it, especially in the business

911
00:41:46,028 --> 00:41:47,688
sphere called From Good to Great.

912
00:41:48,208 --> 00:41:49,898
There was this journey from good to great.

913
00:41:49,938 --> 00:41:53,593
And there used to be this thing years
ago, which says, we don't want to be good.

914
00:41:53,593 --> 00:41:54,883
We want to be excellent.

915
00:41:54,913 --> 00:41:56,173
We don't want be an eight outta 10.

916
00:41:56,173 --> 00:41:56,983
We want to be a 10.

917
00:41:56,983 --> 00:41:57,553
Outta 10.

918
00:41:57,643 --> 00:41:57,973
Jan Burch: Yeah.

919
00:41:58,033 --> 00:42:00,313
Matt Edmundson: It caused insane
levels of burnout, by the way.

920
00:42:00,733 --> 00:42:04,093
Can imagine insane levels of
burnout, but let's not go there.

921
00:42:04,093 --> 00:42:04,273
Goodness.

922
00:42:04,573 --> 00:42:04,903
Wow.

923
00:42:05,053 --> 00:42:07,753
But it's this whole
idea from good to great.

924
00:42:07,783 --> 00:42:09,823
Actually it's from good to good.

925
00:42:09,853 --> 00:42:10,963
God is good.

926
00:42:11,063 --> 00:42:13,523
When we use the word properly and rightly.

927
00:42:13,523 --> 00:42:13,703
Yeah.

928
00:42:13,733 --> 00:42:14,033
But yes.

929
00:42:14,523 --> 00:42:15,153
God is good.

930
00:42:15,153 --> 00:42:15,863
God is great.

931
00:42:15,863 --> 00:42:16,853
God is awesome.

932
00:42:16,853 --> 00:42:18,123
God is all of these things.

933
00:42:18,133 --> 00:42:18,473
Yeah.

934
00:42:18,993 --> 00:42:21,033
But tying that back in with this.

935
00:42:21,233 --> 00:42:23,913
So we're talking about goodness in
relation to the fruit of the spirit.

936
00:42:24,663 --> 00:42:26,433
So how do we manifest goodness?

937
00:42:26,433 --> 00:42:30,223
Because by definition, a fruit of the
spirit is something that grows in us.

938
00:42:30,493 --> 00:42:30,903
Yeah.

939
00:42:31,013 --> 00:42:34,843
And we're talking about wholeness,
we're in a series about wholeness

940
00:42:34,843 --> 00:42:36,353
and about how to become whole.

941
00:42:36,903 --> 00:42:42,153
And so whole people are good people, are
people that have goodness in their lives.

942
00:42:43,663 --> 00:42:44,403
Jan Burch: What does that look like?

943
00:42:44,413 --> 00:42:50,463
So I think it's someone who's
has morality who is virtuous.

944
00:42:50,943 --> 00:42:55,613
Now, that's another word that
we, we don't use very often.

945
00:42:56,163 --> 00:43:00,153
But you would say that
someone who is good.

946
00:43:00,583 --> 00:43:03,573
Yeah, it's generally of good character.

947
00:43:03,633 --> 00:43:06,193
Yeah, so they're a decent person.

948
00:43:06,193 --> 00:43:08,993
You probably would expect that
they'd be kind that they'd be

949
00:43:09,353 --> 00:43:13,913
patient that they'd be sincere yeah

950
00:43:16,543 --> 00:43:21,863
But did mention that
sometimes it can be false.

951
00:43:21,973 --> 00:43:24,223
Yeah, you can pretend to be good.

952
00:43:24,283 --> 00:43:29,398
Yeah, but it's everything,
it comes down to the fruit.

953
00:43:29,458 --> 00:43:29,748
Yeah.

954
00:43:30,298 --> 00:43:32,648
Jesus said, by the fruit
you shall know them.

955
00:43:33,038 --> 00:43:37,888
If someone's heart is not good,
It will come out eventually.

956
00:43:38,168 --> 00:43:38,488
Yeah.

957
00:43:38,588 --> 00:43:39,178
You know what?

958
00:43:39,548 --> 00:43:41,668
None of us are perfect.

959
00:43:42,048 --> 00:43:43,688
I wish I was perfect.

960
00:43:45,618 --> 00:43:47,428
But there's some days where I'm not.

961
00:43:47,508 --> 00:43:50,318
Yeah, not many, but there
are a few occasions.

962
00:43:50,328 --> 00:43:50,638
Yeah.

963
00:43:50,648 --> 00:43:50,808
Yeah.

964
00:43:50,808 --> 00:43:53,268
But I do.

965
00:43:53,268 --> 00:43:56,548
I just think, yeah.

966
00:43:59,178 --> 00:44:03,338
Yeah, but we don't want,
we want solid goodness.

967
00:44:03,338 --> 00:44:08,138
We want the world needs
people to be credible.

968
00:44:08,288 --> 00:44:08,558
Yeah.

969
00:44:08,588 --> 00:44:10,408
To be sincere.

970
00:44:10,408 --> 00:44:11,618
Yeah.

971
00:44:11,618 --> 00:44:13,868
To be honest.

972
00:44:13,898 --> 00:44:14,248
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

973
00:44:15,578 --> 00:44:20,718
Jan Burch: And we live in a world of
fakeness, and I just think when you meet

974
00:44:20,728 --> 00:44:28,908
somebody who's pure of heart, like almost
a child at times, the way they, if you

975
00:44:28,908 --> 00:44:36,888
ask a child a question, they will say they
will spell it out very as it is, yeah.

976
00:44:36,968 --> 00:44:43,738
And I think sometimes we dress things
up too much and we You know, we puff

977
00:44:43,738 --> 00:44:47,908
it up and we just need to be quietly

978
00:44:50,298 --> 00:44:51,668
who we are, yeah, I do.

979
00:44:51,678 --> 00:44:57,218
We don't need all the frills and we just
need to be, Jesus didn't have frills.

980
00:44:57,528 --> 00:44:57,858
No.

981
00:44:57,908 --> 00:44:58,648
He was,

982
00:45:00,898 --> 00:45:02,518
he just was who he was.

983
00:45:02,558 --> 00:45:02,878
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

984
00:45:03,513 --> 00:45:03,843
Yeah,

985
00:45:03,963 --> 00:45:08,783
Jan Burch: but I think we've
become afraid of, I think in it,

986
00:45:08,903 --> 00:45:16,103
we live in a world of hype, of a
hundred percent of fantastic, and

987
00:45:18,743 --> 00:45:25,053
it's not really who we are, when you
close the door, it's, as Will said,

988
00:45:25,113 --> 00:45:31,783
it's exhausting to be surrounded by
pumped up people, blooming heck, yeah.

989
00:45:31,813 --> 00:45:33,003
That's not real life, is it?

990
00:45:34,223 --> 00:45:36,413
Matt Edmundson: No, I think it's
an interesting one, isn't it?

991
00:45:36,413 --> 00:45:42,043
Because one of the things that we
noticed within church a few years

992
00:45:42,043 --> 00:45:44,203
ago was this drive for excellence.

993
00:45:44,413 --> 00:45:50,323
So the church, not just our church,
the church generally was, there was

994
00:45:50,323 --> 00:45:52,023
this constant strive to be excellent.

995
00:45:52,083 --> 00:45:55,676
And if things weren't excellent, if
things weren't the best they could

996
00:45:55,676 --> 00:46:00,173
be, yeah, on the belief that we serve
a great God, and we should actually

997
00:46:00,263 --> 00:46:02,383
bring our best to him every time.

998
00:46:02,433 --> 00:46:02,803
Yeah.

999
00:46:03,103 --> 00:46:07,583
And then people were like something's
wrong, we need to fix that.

1000
00:46:07,583 --> 00:46:09,103
And there's this constant striving.

1001
00:46:09,793 --> 00:46:12,993
And I think it like I said earlier,
and I think we'll say that,

1002
00:46:13,053 --> 00:46:14,373
it leads to a lot of burnout.

1003
00:46:14,373 --> 00:46:20,133
And you can't live like, the belief
that good is good enough is actually

1004
00:46:20,133 --> 00:46:22,153
quite a liberating I was just gonna

1005
00:46:22,153 --> 00:46:22,373
Jan Burch: say

1006
00:46:22,373 --> 00:46:22,523
Matt Edmundson: it was

1007
00:46:22,523 --> 00:46:22,973
Jan Burch: set you

1008
00:46:22,983 --> 00:46:23,383
Matt Edmundson: free.

1009
00:46:23,433 --> 00:46:27,393
Yeah, it's not that you're
necessarily happy with imperfection.

1010
00:46:28,433 --> 00:46:31,463
But it's a realization that
perfection is God's domain.

1011
00:46:32,893 --> 00:46:35,433
And in the meantime, good is good enough.

1012
00:46:36,223 --> 00:46:43,503
And the goodness of God being manifest
in my life is not me being perfect.

1013
00:46:43,878 --> 00:46:48,308
Never has been, never will be, but it
is about, like you say, I think it's

1014
00:46:48,308 --> 00:46:51,268
a good foundation, isn't it, for the
kindness of God and all these other things

1015
00:46:51,268 --> 00:46:54,618
to come in, for not striving, for not
trying to be something that I'm not, for

1016
00:46:54,628 --> 00:46:56,498
being honest, for being kind to people.

1017
00:46:57,058 --> 00:46:59,768
All those things that you mentioned,
I think it's super, super important.

1018
00:46:59,788 --> 00:47:05,888
And yeah I really this topic of
goodness because to be whole I

1019
00:47:05,888 --> 00:47:07,268
think you've got to wrestle with it.

1020
00:47:07,948 --> 00:47:11,398
And I think you, if you're not a
Christian, actually wrestling with

1021
00:47:11,398 --> 00:47:15,248
this idea of am I a good person?

1022
00:47:15,268 --> 00:47:16,418
This is something that I hear a lot.

1023
00:47:16,418 --> 00:47:18,928
I am a good person.

1024
00:47:19,278 --> 00:47:22,968
I don't deserve this or I do deserve
that because I'm a good person.

1025
00:47:22,968 --> 00:47:25,518
I'm trying to manifest this in the
world because I am a good, like

1026
00:47:25,528 --> 00:47:27,038
everything's dependent on your goodness.

1027
00:47:27,098 --> 00:47:27,438
Yeah.

1028
00:47:27,888 --> 00:47:30,638
But by whose definition of good, right?

1029
00:47:31,278 --> 00:47:33,058
Who is defining goodness in your life?

1030
00:47:33,058 --> 00:47:33,738
Is it you?

1031
00:47:33,878 --> 00:47:35,038
Yeah, is it society?

1032
00:47:35,038 --> 00:47:38,258
Because, society will have a very
different definition in a few weeks time.

1033
00:47:40,378 --> 00:47:43,198
Whereas if it's God your
definition of good and God's

1034
00:47:43,198 --> 00:47:44,478
gonna be very different, right?

1035
00:47:44,548 --> 00:47:46,708
And so you're gonna fall
way short of that standard.

1036
00:47:46,708 --> 00:47:49,638
Yeah, and I think this is part of
the Christian message, isn't it?

1037
00:47:49,638 --> 00:47:55,348
That fundamentally, when you talk about
being good, being a good person you

1038
00:47:55,358 --> 00:47:59,808
have to understand by whose measure
you're using to measure that, because

1039
00:47:59,808 --> 00:48:02,258
actually what you perceive good,
somebody else might perceive to be

1040
00:48:02,258 --> 00:48:04,758
bad, and the opposite of good, right?

1041
00:48:04,758 --> 00:48:10,248
So let's say I think that
free will is a good thing.

1042
00:48:10,268 --> 00:48:14,208
So then that works out as
actually, let's take that down

1043
00:48:14,208 --> 00:48:15,718
the road of free market economics.

1044
00:48:15,718 --> 00:48:20,478
So I might say actually, something like
democracy and capitalism is a good thing.

1045
00:48:20,598 --> 00:48:23,358
Now I've experienced that's what
I know, that's what I experienced.

1046
00:48:23,358 --> 00:48:24,518
And so this is what we did, isn't it?

1047
00:48:24,518 --> 00:48:26,468
We were like democracy and
capitalism is a good thing.

1048
00:48:26,468 --> 00:48:28,188
So let's go and implement
that in the rest of the world.

1049
00:48:28,458 --> 00:48:29,178
That backfired.

1050
00:48:30,508 --> 00:48:33,688
Because it turns out what's good for
you is not good for everybody else.

1051
00:48:33,708 --> 00:48:37,378
And so by what definition, I
keep coming back to this, are we

1052
00:48:37,378 --> 00:48:39,698
using to determine what is good?

1053
00:48:40,348 --> 00:48:43,478
And when God says he is good,
he is determined, he is the

1054
00:48:43,478 --> 00:48:44,478
very definition of that.

1055
00:48:44,488 --> 00:48:45,868
So what is good?

1056
00:48:45,868 --> 00:48:46,408
God is good.

1057
00:48:46,618 --> 00:48:47,398
Only God is

1058
00:48:47,398 --> 00:48:47,628
Jan Burch: good.

1059
00:48:47,678 --> 00:48:48,048
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

1060
00:48:48,088 --> 00:48:49,338
So that's the definition, isn't it?

1061
00:48:49,338 --> 00:48:50,008
So what is good?

1062
00:48:50,008 --> 00:48:50,728
God is good.

1063
00:48:51,258 --> 00:48:51,718
Okay.

1064
00:48:53,008 --> 00:48:56,178
That I think puts a very different slant
on it and a very different feel about it.

1065
00:48:56,188 --> 00:49:04,888
So being a good person is a noble cause,
but it's a fundamentally flawed cause.

1066
00:49:04,908 --> 00:49:05,328
Yeah.

1067
00:49:06,258 --> 00:49:09,538
If you're not totally clear on
what the definition of the word is.

1068
00:49:09,538 --> 00:49:10,733
That's

1069
00:49:10,733 --> 00:49:11,928
Jan Burch: right.

1070
00:49:11,928 --> 00:49:18,638
I think we've like many words, we've,
society, we've ruined them, so it's

1071
00:49:18,638 --> 00:49:23,748
a shame really, because it needs
almost to be re sanctified, that word.

1072
00:49:23,918 --> 00:49:27,048
We've really understood
what it really meant.

1073
00:49:27,423 --> 00:49:30,023
We wouldn't use it as, as often as we do.

1074
00:49:30,573 --> 00:49:36,563
So I, I really do think like
in all seriousness that we need

1075
00:49:36,573 --> 00:49:42,343
on a personal level to improve
and increase our vocabularies.

1076
00:49:42,783 --> 00:49:48,213
I was watching something the
other day and a man has just gave

1077
00:49:48,213 --> 00:49:51,003
himself a challenge of learning.

1078
00:49:51,533 --> 00:49:55,243
Say 10 new words a week or a month.

1079
00:49:56,133 --> 00:50:00,713
And every time he was tempted
to say, Oh, it was fantastic.

1080
00:50:01,073 --> 00:50:07,873
He would say it was really, it was
interesting and it was thought provoking.

1081
00:50:08,583 --> 00:50:11,063
And he, he'd stopped
using the word fantastic.

1082
00:50:11,633 --> 00:50:15,643
So consciously a little
challenge for us all.

1083
00:50:16,373 --> 00:50:23,653
Try and increase your vocabulary so
then the words that are like awesome,

1084
00:50:23,993 --> 00:50:31,843
like goodness, like I love, you're
using it in the, in a proper way and

1085
00:50:31,843 --> 00:50:35,083
a way that will have more meaning.

1086
00:50:36,158 --> 00:50:37,448
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, exactly.

1087
00:50:37,508 --> 00:50:38,448
No, I love that.

1088
00:50:38,788 --> 00:50:39,388
Love that.

1089
00:50:39,748 --> 00:50:40,348
Jan Burch: Do you love that?

1090
00:50:40,688 --> 00:50:41,168
Matt Edmundson: Love it.

1091
00:50:42,558 --> 00:50:45,668
You mean, you agree is what you mean.

1092
00:50:45,978 --> 00:50:47,038
I do.

1093
00:50:47,118 --> 00:50:49,188
And I think it's very thought provoking.

1094
00:50:50,628 --> 00:50:53,888
It challenges some of the
preconceptions that we have.

1095
00:50:54,898 --> 00:50:58,758
Because it's an interesting point that you
raise, though, because it is so easy just

1096
00:50:58,758 --> 00:51:00,668
to let certain words roll off your tongue.

1097
00:51:00,678 --> 00:51:01,088
Yeah.

1098
00:51:01,798 --> 00:51:07,628
And Actually defining what you mean
instead of just using placeholder words.

1099
00:51:07,628 --> 00:51:07,948
Yeah,

1100
00:51:08,748 --> 00:51:09,838
Jan Burch: it's empty and

1101
00:51:10,448 --> 00:51:11,168
Matt Edmundson: hollow.

1102
00:51:11,438 --> 00:51:15,058
It's tricky because you have to sit and
you have to sit and think about what

1103
00:51:15,078 --> 00:51:17,478
is it I'm trying to actually say here.

1104
00:51:17,558 --> 00:51:17,898
Yeah.

1105
00:51:18,448 --> 00:51:20,098
And I think validating it.

1106
00:51:20,098 --> 00:51:21,048
So that is good.

1107
00:51:22,028 --> 00:51:22,818
Why is that good?

1108
00:51:22,828 --> 00:51:24,988
That's good because of
X, Y, and Z, I love that.

1109
00:51:25,008 --> 00:51:25,658
Why do you love that?

1110
00:51:25,658 --> 00:51:26,848
I love that because of X, Y, and Z.

1111
00:51:27,008 --> 00:51:31,038
So I'm starting to validate what I say,
rather than just letting it be a word

1112
00:51:31,038 --> 00:51:33,868
which rolls up your tongue, which is
really important, I think, when you

1113
00:51:33,878 --> 00:51:37,428
give praise to, or feedback to others.

1114
00:51:37,438 --> 00:51:39,178
Often say to people, Oh, you're a legend.

1115
00:51:39,708 --> 00:51:40,308
It's a phrase.

1116
00:51:40,308 --> 00:51:44,448
Jan Burch: But we know though, Matt,
that your, it comes from your heart.

1117
00:51:45,778 --> 00:51:50,458
So you are a really encouraging, kind man.

1118
00:51:51,348 --> 00:51:54,298
I think you're very for you for people.

1119
00:51:54,798 --> 00:51:59,798
So that we receive that
you do say legend a lot.

1120
00:51:59,838 --> 00:52:01,478
You do say awesome a lot.

1121
00:52:01,978 --> 00:52:04,288
But you mean that you're the end.

1122
00:52:05,118 --> 00:52:06,668
Your heart is behind it.

1123
00:52:07,168 --> 00:52:07,758
Matt Edmundson: No, I get it.

1124
00:52:08,218 --> 00:52:08,938
But it's still

1125
00:52:08,938 --> 00:52:09,888
Jan Burch: wrong and annoying.

1126
00:52:09,898 --> 00:52:11,968
But we understand where it's coming from.

1127
00:52:14,108 --> 00:52:18,108
Yeah, and you need to get some
new words but we really appreciate

1128
00:52:18,108 --> 00:52:18,818
Matt Edmundson: it.

1129
00:52:18,818 --> 00:52:19,348
Thanks, Jo.

1130
00:52:22,888 --> 00:52:25,328
You're wrong and it's really,
excuse me, wet the whistle.

1131
00:52:26,358 --> 00:52:29,558
But no, I think it's really powerful
to I like your challenge in the

1132
00:52:29,558 --> 00:52:33,768
sense of validate what you're
saying with your vocabulary.

1133
00:52:33,768 --> 00:52:35,338
So people understand it a bit more.

1134
00:52:35,428 --> 00:52:36,688
And I think it makes us

1135
00:52:36,698 --> 00:52:37,358
Jan Burch: think.

1136
00:52:38,488 --> 00:52:40,118
Before we speak a bit more.

1137
00:52:40,118 --> 00:52:42,268
Do you know what I mean?

1138
00:52:42,298 --> 00:52:42,618
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

1139
00:52:44,668 --> 00:52:44,998
Yeah.

1140
00:52:45,008 --> 00:52:45,598
Yeah, it does.

1141
00:52:45,968 --> 00:52:46,948
Matt, he's just quoted you.

1142
00:52:46,948 --> 00:52:47,778
It's still wrong and annoying.

1143
00:52:47,778 --> 00:52:50,128
You understand how many times
he's now going to quote that back.

1144
00:52:51,128 --> 00:52:51,518
Thanks, John.

1145
00:52:52,578 --> 00:52:53,788
Jan Burch: I'm your biggest fan, Matt.

1146
00:52:53,818 --> 00:52:54,908
I really am.

1147
00:52:55,438 --> 00:52:55,828
Absolute

1148
00:52:55,838 --> 00:52:56,288
Matt Edmundson: legend.

1149
00:52:56,948 --> 00:52:58,398
Jan Burch: I'm not really a legend.

1150
00:52:58,798 --> 00:52:59,188
There

1151
00:52:59,198 --> 00:52:59,228
Matt Edmundson: you are.

1152
00:52:59,368 --> 00:53:00,098
Absolute legend.

1153
00:53:00,108 --> 00:53:01,348
Written in the annals of history.

1154
00:53:03,003 --> 00:53:03,303
Jan Burch: Yeah,

1155
00:53:03,513 --> 00:53:06,893
Matt Edmundson: not the a nules,
annuals, annals, I've no idea

1156
00:53:07,233 --> 00:53:09,003
Jan Burch: annals of history,

1157
00:53:09,003 --> 00:53:09,873
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, I
think that's what it is.

1158
00:53:10,323 --> 00:53:12,733
Anyway, look, gosh, the
time's gone already.

1159
00:53:13,143 --> 00:53:15,163
Promote the Zoom, says Matt,
what's happening next week?

1160
00:53:15,163 --> 00:53:16,243
That's a really good question.

1161
00:53:16,273 --> 00:53:18,353
I don't actually know
what's happening next week.

1162
00:53:18,983 --> 00:53:20,703
We're going to carry on
the Fruits of the Spirit.

1163
00:53:21,113 --> 00:53:24,683
I think, actually, no, I do know, Sharon's
talking next, Sharon's doing the talking.

1164
00:53:24,683 --> 00:53:25,543
Oh, brilliant, yeah.

1165
00:53:25,733 --> 00:53:27,081
My good lady wife is going to be.

1166
00:53:27,081 --> 00:53:27,413
Your beloved.

1167
00:53:27,833 --> 00:53:28,563
I'm looking at the wrong camera.

1168
00:53:28,563 --> 00:53:29,643
I keep looking at the wrong camera.

1169
00:53:29,643 --> 00:53:30,573
Sorry, it's this camera here.

1170
00:53:30,573 --> 00:53:31,433
This is my camera now.

1171
00:53:31,943 --> 00:53:34,863
So yeah, Sharon's going to be
with us next week, carrying

1172
00:53:34,863 --> 00:53:35,833
on the fruits of the spirit.

1173
00:53:35,913 --> 00:53:36,773
And looking at that.

1174
00:53:36,783 --> 00:53:38,533
So yeah, very excited to carry on.

1175
00:53:38,553 --> 00:53:39,693
Make sure you do come join us.

1176
00:53:39,693 --> 00:53:41,573
Hopefully next week, the
tech will be working fine.

1177
00:53:41,773 --> 00:53:42,523
Oh, don't worry.

1178
00:53:42,753 --> 00:53:43,203
Yeah.

1179
00:53:43,223 --> 00:53:43,963
Very bizarre.

1180
00:53:44,133 --> 00:53:44,743
Very bizarre.

1181
00:53:45,123 --> 00:53:46,653
But yes, do come join us.

1182
00:53:46,653 --> 00:53:47,903
Make sure you like and subscribe.

1183
00:53:48,153 --> 00:53:52,323
The Crowd Church, wherever you get your,
wherever you're watching from, really.

1184
00:53:52,323 --> 00:53:52,563
Yeah.

1185
00:53:52,673 --> 00:53:54,343
Whether it's YouTube, Instagram.

1186
00:53:55,108 --> 00:53:56,698
Whether you're listening to
the podcast, whatever it is.

1187
00:53:56,748 --> 00:53:57,138
Do come join us.

1188
00:53:57,588 --> 00:53:58,488
Is it live next week?

1189
00:53:58,488 --> 00:53:59,868
Yes, it will be live next week.

1190
00:54:00,498 --> 00:54:02,178
Are we going to have a day of the week?

1191
00:54:02,183 --> 00:54:02,238
Oh yeah.

1192
00:54:02,238 --> 00:54:02,748
That we're good.

1193
00:54:02,748 --> 00:54:03,828
Like Thursday's being kind.

1194
00:54:03,828 --> 00:54:05,183
It's very, yeah, it's
your choice actually.

1195
00:54:05,398 --> 00:54:06,328
Andy, that's reminded me.

1196
00:54:06,328 --> 00:54:09,298
If you listen to the podcast
of the podcast, I keep wanting

1197
00:54:09,298 --> 00:54:10,288
to say the show on the podcast.

1198
00:54:10,468 --> 00:54:12,988
If you listen to Crowd, it's 'cause
I do a podcast during the week.

1199
00:54:13,138 --> 00:54:13,348
Yeah.

1200
00:54:13,398 --> 00:54:17,118
If you joined us last week
on the live stream, we talked

1201
00:54:17,118 --> 00:54:18,618
about having a kindness day.

1202
00:54:18,648 --> 00:54:19,188
That was brilliant.

1203
00:54:19,193 --> 00:54:20,428
And I happened to mention Thursday.

1204
00:54:20,758 --> 00:54:24,408
I think it was just a
random day that I played.

1205
00:54:24,408 --> 00:54:24,858
Did you do

1206
00:54:24,858 --> 00:54:24,988
Jan Burch: it?

1207
00:54:25,008 --> 00:54:26,368
Did you do the whole Kindness Day thing?

1208
00:54:26,988 --> 00:54:28,158
Matt Edmundson: You thought it
was brilliant, but did you do it?

1209
00:54:28,158 --> 00:54:28,258
I

1210
00:54:28,278 --> 00:54:32,578
Jan Burch: think I did one thing,
yeah, that I wouldn't normally do.

1211
00:54:33,458 --> 00:54:34,098
Matt Edmundson: Can you say what it is?

1212
00:54:34,098 --> 00:54:34,108
I

1213
00:54:34,208 --> 00:54:37,797
Jan Burch: can't remember,
but I remember What did I do?

1214
00:54:37,797 --> 00:54:38,190
It was a big impact.

1215
00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:39,678
No, I did do Oh, yeah.

1216
00:54:40,038 --> 00:54:44,908
I gave my neighbour Some
fruit and vegetables.

1217
00:54:45,888 --> 00:54:46,458
Matt Edmundson: Very good.

1218
00:54:46,748 --> 00:54:47,998
Yeah, very good.

1219
00:54:48,278 --> 00:54:49,478
So yeah.

1220
00:54:49,488 --> 00:54:50,468
What did you guys do?

1221
00:54:50,498 --> 00:54:53,538
Did you do a kindness day during the week?

1222
00:54:53,538 --> 00:54:54,388
What day was it?

1223
00:54:54,388 --> 00:54:56,308
And what did what happened as a result?

1224
00:54:56,318 --> 00:54:57,668
And are you going to keep up the practice?

1225
00:54:58,443 --> 00:55:00,608
Because yeah, I think
that's a really good.

1226
00:55:00,608 --> 00:55:01,638
It's a really good thing to do.

1227
00:55:02,598 --> 00:55:03,648
But what is a good thing to do?

1228
00:55:03,678 --> 00:55:04,938
Because kindness is a godly thing.

1229
00:55:05,778 --> 00:55:08,638
So are we gonna have a day
of the week that we're good?

1230
00:55:08,768 --> 00:55:10,848
Yeah, I think just mix it
together with kindness.

1231
00:55:10,848 --> 00:55:12,008
Have a good and kind day.

1232
00:55:12,908 --> 00:55:14,978
I think that would be really
interesting and let the goodness

1233
00:55:14,978 --> 00:55:17,178
of God be manifested through you.

1234
00:55:18,238 --> 00:55:19,858
by demonstrating kindness.

1235
00:55:20,628 --> 00:55:21,858
Yeah, sticking with it.

1236
00:55:22,568 --> 00:55:23,508
But good question, Andy.

1237
00:55:23,508 --> 00:55:26,288
I like that remind I even wrote
down in my notes to ask about

1238
00:55:26,288 --> 00:55:28,108
it and then Completely forgot.

1239
00:55:28,118 --> 00:55:28,198
Did

1240
00:55:28,198 --> 00:55:33,168
Jan Burch: you see Matt, my kindness
was locking myself away from the world.

1241
00:55:33,618 --> 00:55:35,748
Matt, that's not, that's sad.

1242
00:55:36,088 --> 00:55:38,028
Matt Edmundson: That's not, I
think he's just playing with you.

1243
00:55:38,088 --> 00:55:38,918
That's not kindness.

1244
00:55:38,948 --> 00:55:40,168
Jan Burch: That's not kindness.

1245
00:55:40,918 --> 00:55:41,528
Matt Edmundson: No, not at all.

1246
00:55:41,958 --> 00:55:43,858
Yeah, have a good and kind day.

1247
00:55:43,958 --> 00:55:46,358
Thursdays are a good day to
be good and kind, I think.

1248
00:55:46,358 --> 00:55:48,228
So keep doing that and
let us know your stories.

1249
00:55:48,228 --> 00:55:49,708
We'd love to hear what's been going on.

1250
00:55:50,308 --> 00:55:51,408
But yeah, I think that's it from us.

1251
00:55:51,408 --> 00:55:51,473
Thanks.

1252
00:55:52,023 --> 00:55:52,263
Jan Burch: Yes.

1253
00:55:53,663 --> 00:55:56,833
Just read the scriptures
that Will's talked about.

1254
00:55:56,863 --> 00:55:57,893
Yeah, go with them again.

1255
00:55:58,193 --> 00:56:05,143
Psalm 23, Surely goodness and mercy shall
follow you all the days of your life.

1256
00:56:05,543 --> 00:56:05,813
Love that.

1257
00:56:05,813 --> 00:56:06,107
Amen.

1258
00:56:06,107 --> 00:56:06,988
Do you know

1259
00:56:06,988 --> 00:56:10,283
Matt Edmundson: when the word follow I
heard somebody say to me once, when the

1260
00:56:10,283 --> 00:56:14,033
Bible says in Psalm 23 that surely the
goodness and mercy will follow you all the

1261
00:56:14,033 --> 00:56:15,653
days of your life, which is a great thing.

1262
00:56:16,773 --> 00:56:18,113
They use this explanation.

1263
00:56:18,113 --> 00:56:21,253
They said the word follow
means to be in hot pursuit.

1264
00:56:21,763 --> 00:56:26,463
On your tail is in hot pursuit of somebody
or a police officer is in hot pursuit.

1265
00:56:26,463 --> 00:56:29,903
And it's God's goodness and
mercy is in hot pursuit of you.

1266
00:56:29,903 --> 00:56:31,523
It's amazing.

1267
00:56:31,703 --> 00:56:32,333
Love that.

1268
00:56:32,863 --> 00:56:33,673
That is awesome.

1269
00:56:34,303 --> 00:56:34,943
That's radical.

1270
00:56:35,603 --> 00:56:36,883
That's life changing right there.

1271
00:56:36,883 --> 00:56:37,143
Yeah.

1272
00:56:37,993 --> 00:56:40,183
So listen, thank you
so much for joining us.

1273
00:56:40,213 --> 00:56:43,083
It's been great being with you
talking about the goodness of God.

1274
00:56:43,083 --> 00:56:45,353
Thanks for bearing with
us the tech issues.

1275
00:56:45,443 --> 00:56:47,873
I can't promise there won't ever be
tech issues cause it's a live stream.

1276
00:56:47,873 --> 00:56:49,893
There's always going to be tech
issues, but it's nice that you

1277
00:56:49,893 --> 00:56:51,003
can just rock and roll with that.

1278
00:56:51,003 --> 00:56:51,803
I appreciate it.

1279
00:56:52,333 --> 00:56:56,723
So yeah, come join us next week as
Sharon carries on the conversation

1280
00:56:56,763 --> 00:56:58,163
about the fruits of the spirit.

1281
00:56:58,648 --> 00:56:59,528
I'll be back hosting.

1282
00:56:59,528 --> 00:57:01,098
I'm not sure who's hosting
next week, actually.

1283
00:57:01,238 --> 00:57:05,298
Jan Burch: It should be me, but I'm on
call, but I'm with you the week after.

1284
00:57:05,448 --> 00:57:06,378
Matt Edmundson: Oh, so
you're back in two weeks?

1285
00:57:06,398 --> 00:57:06,708
Yeah.

1286
00:57:07,308 --> 00:57:07,948
Very good.

1287
00:57:08,218 --> 00:57:08,278
Yeah.

1288
00:57:08,538 --> 00:57:10,568
You should probably tell people
what you're on call doing,

1289
00:57:10,568 --> 00:57:11,218
what that actually means.

1290
00:57:11,258 --> 00:57:13,338
Jan Burch: I'm a midwife for home births.

1291
00:57:13,688 --> 00:57:13,818
Ooh.

1292
00:57:13,828 --> 00:57:16,188
So I might be called to
a home birth next week.

1293
00:57:16,268 --> 00:57:18,518
Matt Edmundson: Ooh, so you
might be watching Crowd Church

1294
00:57:18,518 --> 00:57:19,328
while delivering a baby.

1295
00:57:19,418 --> 00:57:19,438
Yeah.

1296
00:57:22,198 --> 00:57:23,468
Yeah, it's just awesome.

1297
00:57:23,638 --> 00:57:25,338
Jan Burch: Hopefully it'll
come out within the hour.

1298
00:57:25,338 --> 00:57:26,618
Matt Edmundson: Childbirth's
got to be an awesome thing.

1299
00:57:26,618 --> 00:57:28,468
You've got to look at childbirth
and go, that's awesome.

1300
00:57:28,498 --> 00:57:29,038
That's incredible.

1301
00:57:29,288 --> 00:57:29,598
It is.

1302
00:57:30,578 --> 00:57:31,548
Jan Burch: Yeah, absolutely.

1303
00:57:31,548 --> 00:57:32,258
It's a miracle.

1304
00:57:32,378 --> 00:57:32,758
Matt Edmundson: Yeah.

1305
00:57:32,758 --> 00:57:36,548
Do you get that sense every time or is it
all it's just all part of what you do now?

1306
00:57:36,558 --> 00:57:36,598
There's

1307
00:57:36,848 --> 00:57:40,498
Jan Burch: parts of it that
you, that always, you think, wow

1308
00:57:40,498 --> 00:57:42,448
how a human body has done that.

1309
00:57:42,598 --> 00:57:42,948
Yeah.

1310
00:57:43,068 --> 00:57:43,388
Yeah.

1311
00:57:44,223 --> 00:57:45,123
It is amazing.

1312
00:57:45,203 --> 00:57:46,573
It is incredible.

1313
00:57:46,593 --> 00:57:48,363
Matt Edmundson: Yeah, seeing
life arrive every day.

1314
00:57:48,713 --> 00:57:49,433
Incredible stuff.

1315
00:57:49,493 --> 00:57:49,763
Yeah.

1316
00:57:50,093 --> 00:57:50,633
Awesome.

1317
00:57:53,963 --> 00:57:54,145
I need to, it's Charlie.

1318
00:57:54,150 --> 00:57:54,378
Good.

1319
00:57:55,163 --> 00:57:55,763
It's Jolly Goods.

1320
00:57:55,763 --> 00:57:58,673
I'm gonna be monitoring my vocab
this week and I'm gonna be going Oh.

1321
00:57:58,673 --> 00:57:59,003
So that's, no,

1322
00:57:59,228 --> 00:58:00,528
Jan Burch: I'm not really having to go.

1323
00:58:01,008 --> 00:58:01,908
We all do it.

1324
00:58:02,118 --> 00:58:02,898
All of us.

1325
00:58:03,298 --> 00:58:04,473
It's just a challenge to us all.

1326
00:58:04,473 --> 00:58:05,698
No, I think it's important
because you don't want

1327
00:58:05,698 --> 00:58:06,808
Matt Edmundson: trivialize things really.

1328
00:58:06,838 --> 00:58:07,138
No.

1329
00:58:07,248 --> 00:58:08,108
And yeah.

1330
00:58:08,378 --> 00:58:08,978
But that's good.

1331
00:58:09,128 --> 00:58:09,818
Enjoyed it.

1332
00:58:09,878 --> 00:58:10,208
Lovely.

1333
00:58:10,208 --> 00:58:11,138
This conversation.

1334
00:58:11,198 --> 00:58:11,258
Yeah.

1335
00:58:11,258 --> 00:58:11,648
Thank you, Jim.

1336
00:58:11,648 --> 00:58:12,008
Me too.

1337
00:58:12,008 --> 00:58:12,613
Thank you, Matt.

1338
00:58:13,978 --> 00:58:15,458
Thank you so much for joining
us, ladies and gentlemen.

1339
00:58:15,478 --> 00:58:16,818
Have a fantastic week wherever you are.

1340
00:58:17,008 --> 00:58:19,568
Sorry we've overrun a little bit,
but yeah, have a blessed week.

1341
00:58:19,868 --> 00:58:20,488
We'll see you next week.

1342
00:58:23,258 --> 00:58:27,038
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1343
00:58:27,398 --> 00:58:31,328
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1344
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1350
00:58:55,753 --> 00:59:00,773
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1351
00:59:01,153 --> 00:59:07,303
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1352
00:59:07,393 --> 00:59:07,743
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1353
00:59:08,033 --> 00:59:10,703
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1354
00:59:11,043 --> 00:59:15,153
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1355
00:59:15,153 --> 00:59:17,613
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1356
00:59:18,393 --> 00:59:23,763
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1357
00:59:23,823 --> 00:59:28,923
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1358
00:59:29,073 --> 00:59:29,943
That's it from us.

1359
00:59:29,943 --> 00:59:30,723
God bless you.

1360
00:59:31,323 --> 00:59:31,863
Bye for now.