Start with the preak.

You start with the immediate context of what it's saying, because that's where it's, it's giving the definition of the words, the terms, things like that.

Then you branch out to the, to you want to go chapter.

You could do chapter, but chapter breaks are not inspired, neither reverse breaks, but you break out from that.

So you want, if you have something that is a section where you are starting to where as we are looking at, you have something that is supporting, well, you're going to start with, well, what's this supporting?

That's the immediate context that right there in that, in that part.

So you're going to use that because where in the sentence structure may end up helping us to see how a word is used, what it's emphasizing, what's it supporting, is it being used as an illustration or as a literal, things like that.

Then you branch out and work your way out to a book.

You can end up then going, if you're looking at specifically a word, you're going to then want to look at how that word is used by the same authority because the author may not use the word the same way.

You then can break out into how the word is used elsewhere in scripture.

But just because a word is used several times one way by many writers of scripture doesn't mean it's being used the same way every time.

And so that's why the immediate context is so important.

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And so we welcome those that are coming in and watching online.

Of course, we always want you to come in and join us especially, especially as we're going to talk about Islam.

We're going to finish up what we started last week.

But as we talk about Islam especially, I want to give a special plea to those Muslims who are out watching, commenting very aggressively, some in the chat, as we saw last week and the week before and even the week before that.

But as we've seen that my challenge to you is to join us.

Now.

I had hoped if you were here last week we had someone who has been in the chat for the last three episodes that we've done and been very vocal promoting Islam very much against what I had been saying about Islam and basically was trying to use the Bible to prove the Bible talked about Islam and Muhammad.

Yeah.

But I encouraged him to email.

We never saw that email.

And so he's not here that I know of.

But if formidable faith wants to join.

I know he's in from New Zealand, but he is welcome to come in.

We will pick up again on our discussion on Islam.

Let me just say a quick hello to those who are the regulars.

We got someone else who's down under.

Andrew says, greetings people.

He is down on the other side of the world where if the world was flat, well, I guess he would fall off because he'd be upside down.

But he is from Australia.

Jacob Glass says, hope you're doing well, brother Jacob.

It's glad.

Good to have you here.

Good to.

To see you in the, in the chat.

And so let's see what is Andrew saying about Matt Slick was he said, I watched Matt Slick smoke Islam Islamic opponent and so that I did not get to watch it.

But there was the.

A friend of mine who does the.

The gospel.

Oh, I'm trying to remember the channel now.

Oh, I can't remember offhand but he does debates.

I've done several debates on his channel and he had a conference where everyone.

Basically it was a conference of debates.

Very interesting concept.

I loved the idea.

And so those are now being coming out and I'm looking forward to watching those.

So before we get into.

Yeah, that's right, I didn't mention his name but Andrew's mentioning it.

Marlon Wilson.

I. I just forget his channel offhand.

Gospel something.

It'll come to me or someone in the audience will.

Will tell me.

So before we get into talking about Islam, a couple things in the.

In the news section for us tonight.

I thought it very, very interesting.

I know the world seems to be captivated with these Epstein files and gospel truth.

Thank you, Andrew.

The Gospel truth.

Is that the.

His YouTube channel there?

So I found it very interesting.

I have said for a while, I know this is not popular to say about the Epstein files, but after years of saying it, it seems the evidence is starting to side with me.

No one seemed to care about Epstein until people thought that they could tie Epstein to Donald Trump.

Even though Donald Trump cut off relations with him before he was accused and convicted of having sex with underage girls, no one seemed to have a problem with the Democrats.

Many of them.

And remember Trump was a Democrat back then.

So it seemed the Epstein only was with dem Democrats.

But, but it seemed that there were.

They saw, oh, we can get Trump.

Okay, hey look, Trump's.

Trump is buddy buddy with this.

Now he wasn't just a pedophile, but he was the world's worst human trafficker.

I really always that ruffled my feathers, if I had feathers when people would say that.

Because Epstein, if you do know what's going.

Epstein had girls come giving him massages and things like this.

He paid them and they went home.

He paid them extra if they recruited friends.

Now when you talk about human trafficking, you want to say the worst human trafficker.

That's not the worst.

I've always said this.

I had issue with that.

Because worst human traffickers would be those that kidnap women where they're being gang raped or having, having to have do things with multiple gu.

Every day.

They're kidnapped, they have no rights.

They don't get to go home, they don't get to see their family, they don't get paid.

They're enslaved.

Yes.

A modern day slavery that no one seems to care about.

That I think is far worse than someone who is basically in my mind paying prostitutes.

And now we see some of the evidence.

These girls that were underage seem to.

It may have been that they lied to him about their age.

So that's interesting.

It seems that after he got in trouble and, and went to prison that he wasn't doing things with underage, underage girls, but still young girls.

But you know, I always wondered this talk of a big sex ring.

It seems that the evidence shows that there wasn't some big sex ring.

He didn't make his money blackmailing people.

It seems he made his money just negotiating with people.

He made his money hiding other people's money for tax purposes.

The, the reason he got the island was it was outside of most countries.

So people could therefore work through him and he could keep people from paying taxes.

Funny thing.

Who's he working with?

Democrats.

All these Democrats that don't want to pay taxes, but they want you to pay them.

Wow.

In fact, Richard Dinero I read today is leaving New York because he's going to have to pay a lot of taxes after not only doing everything he can to support, but to get Mondavi elected in New York City as mayor.

This Guy is pulling out because he wants to keep his own money.

Wow, crazy idea.

But the people that he's stuck, that are stuck in New York left with this guy.

They're going to get a 10% increase on their property tax.

They can't afford to move.

But hey, Richard, Dinero, it's okay.

You could just go buy your million millions of dollar home somewhere else.

Now I'm bringing this up because I thought.

Very interesting.

Whoopi Goldberg from the View had mentioned that she was in the Epstein files.

Hillary Clinton also is out there saying that they're in the Epstein files.

Very interesting comments that they had because all of a sudden Whippy Goldberg is saying, well, just because you're mentioned doesn't mean you're a pedophile.

Doesn't mean you're guilty of something.

You were just mentioned in an email.

You just did an event with someone that.

That's all Hillary Clinton saying, well, we did fundraisers together.

We knew who he was, but we didn't.

That doesn't mean we were guilty of anything.

And Whoopi Goldberg saying, you know, there was a time where, you know, you actually needed evidence before making an accusation.

Hey, Whoopi, take your own advice.

She's on a show where all she does is lie about people and, and make accusations with no evidence.

Amazing that they suddenly understand the fact that what they accused Trump years when their names are the ones actually in involved suddenly.

Hey, hey, hey, we need evidence.

Really?

Cuz you didn't need anyone.

It was Trump.

When all the evidence seems to show otherwise.

Also in the news I want to deal with is Candace Owens has come out with an explanation on why she has the number one podcast in the world.

Folks, are you ready for this?

Candace Owens claims she has the number one podcast in the world because she is doing the work of God.

God has given her the number one podcast in the world because the work she is doing exposing that Erica Kirk really is the one that killed Charlie Kirk.

Candace Owens thinks anybody but the actual guy that killed Charlie Kirk is, is guilty.

Well, I'm sure Candace doesn't think she did it.

Yeah, I can.

I think I've explained this before here on the show, but you want the explanation to how why Candace Owens has such an issue.

We're trying to make all her money off of Charlie Kirk's death and hates Erica Kirk.

Very simply, the easiest way to explain it, I think that Candace Owens had a crush on Charlie Kirk.

He didn't date her, didn't marry her.

He married Erica Kirk and Candace Owens has never gotten over it.

That's what I think.

All right, one thing to do talk about before we get into talking of Islam.

I do want to thank all of those in Ireland.

What is happening in Ireland.

In Ireland we had jumped up to the this podcast Apologetics Live jumped up in the charts to be within the top 100 in all of Ireland for under Christianity.

That happens when people are sharing it.

And so whoever is out there in Ireland that suddenly we jumped up in the charts to be in the in we were in the top I think it was 20 or 25 or 35 that we hit for all in the in the Christianity category which is the biggest category.

So it must be.

A lot of people out in Ireland are liking this show, sharing this show.

So I want to give a special thanks to all of you in Ireland who are doing and all of you elsewhere that are sharing it as well.

We do appreciate it.

And if you're watching live, hey, why don't you share it right now so others know we are live so we can answer their questions that they may have especially to the Muslims.

So with that I want to, I want to pick up with an where we left off kind of last week.

There was some discussion on that we had last week on the death of Muhammad and I mentioned that I was looked at my book what do they Believe?

On the chapter on Islam to see what I mentioned about Muhammad's death.

And as I read it I, I there was not much that I mentioned.

There was nothing actually about his death.

And so we had some people that one of the, the co host that came in, Dan had looked some stuff up.

There was a Muslim in chat who was disagreeing with it.

And so I went back, I said I would do the study.

I went and looked at my notes from when I was writing the book what do they believe?

And what I had seen in my own notes that obviously were not in the book was that there is a discrepancy on the death of Muhammad.

Now in my notes what I noticed and and this is a hard thing.

When I do research, I do what's called original research.

It I don't just take someone else's book and say and just go oh well here's a Christian speaking against Islam.

They must be accurate and take it without checking their sources.

One of the things that I've often talked about is the claim that for a Muslim man when he dies he will have 70 virgins.

That is not in the Quran anywhere that I found.

Now that is as was pointed out to me in a hadith.

But there's a, that's different.

Not every Muslim believes in this follows the same hadiths.

Those are the, the writings of, that were written down of sayings of Muhammad.

And there's the, the Sunnis and Shias have different ones.

There's a lot of different hadiths.

So but they would all stick to one Quran.

And so I don't mention the 70 virgins because even though many will say that, that and Andrew here is saying I thought it was 72 virgins.

I, I, it could be, maybe I got it wrong over the years because it's been a while but either way that was not something I saw in the Quran.

So I didn't say all Muslims believe this.

Well, in my notes in studying on looking at Muhammad's death, what I had written down and what I had studied, I had some stuff it makes doing original research hard is a lot of the research you'd have to do is in Arabic or other languages that I'm not fluent in.

So now I'm having to translate word by word.

If you, if you speak other languages or you know anything about translation, that doesn't always work out just translating word by word because sometimes the way you lay the words out the, the sentence structure can make a difference.

So because of that it made it hard for me to really know what happened with Muhammad's death.

As we was mentioned last week, there are accounts, this doesn't seem disputed, that he was poisoned by a woman.

That seems to be generally accepted.

But what is not accepted is whether he died because of that poisoning.

And so what you end up seeing there is the that and I just find it interesting in my notes I had that there are those who believe that Muhammad died several years after the poisoning incident.

And we saw that with some of the Muslims that were in the chat.

Now in my notes, what I found interesting was that the only sources that I could find that said that Muhammad died years after the poisoning were all Islamic sources, sources that were either not Muslim, Christian based, what, whatever said that he died of the poisoning.

Now just because the Muslim sources say it was years after now well that, that does protect their, their faith in that sense but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

And this is, this is apologetics live.

We not only do apologize, we explain apologetics.

And this becomes an important thing when you're doing apologetics.

To keep in mind just because we could use something to be a good argument doesn't mean we should use that because it may not be a Good argument in this case, in the death of Muhammad.

It is not a good case or at least I didn't feel so that's why I didn't include it in my book.

What do they believe?

Because I didn't feel it was a good argument because the Muslims have sources that say that it was years later.

I could not confirm whether that's true or not.

Now Ahmed's razor.

If you're not familiar with that, the simplest solution is usually the right one.

Would it be a simple solution to say that, you know, you have this case of the only support that Muhammad died later are from Muslim sources so they'd be, they'd be willing to make something up to protect the faith?

That is possible.

Notice what I said?

I didn't say it's probable.

I didn't say it's, it's not true or it is true.

It is possible that they, that could be made up to, you know, every, every, every group, when they get stuck with something will create a life saving device to save the system because otherwise they give up the system.

Right.

And so you, you get where Mormonism and they, they want to argue that the God of this planet was a man on another planet and that's why they could become a God of some other planet in the, in the future.

Well, they suddenly have a problem because well, how do you have a God who had parents and he's the creator of everything and they just go, well when, when you know this Bible says he created everything, it just, he meant of this, this world.

Yeah, like oh, okay, so every group is going to have a way to save their, their system.

Okay.

So because of that I did not want to include it in the book.

From my notes I, I saw that it seemed that there may be good evidence on both sides.

What is, what doesn't seem to be challenged is Muhammad was poisoned.

Whether he died slowly over many years from that poison or whether it was quicker is what's debated.

So I say that to say that you want to be careful when you're speaking with Muslims to not jump on things that are not going to take you to the place of getting to the gospel.

Right?

So what do we focus on?

Last week we focused on major important things.

If, if the author of the Quran does not know things or gets things definitionally wrong, he cannot be the God of the universe.

Why?

Because the God of the universe is omniscient.

He's all knowing and being all knowing, there can't be anything he doesn't know.

So when we talk about the definition of the Trinity as we talked about and the Quran, the way it defines Trinity is the Father, the Mother and the Son, that Jesus and Mary are called God, that the Trinity is the belief of three gods.

Those are definitional cases and those are wrong.

Which means logically and theologically that the author of the Quran is, cannot be God because there's things he doesn't know.

And trying to make the argument that there was some group that was kicked out of the Roman Empire because of their heresy that believed that Mary was God.

That again the only evidence of that this supposed group is within Islamic circles.

And I, I think that is a life saving device because we don't see any reference outside of Islam.

That's the difference with the death of Muhammad.

Death of Muhammad, there's, there is evidence outside of Islam that he was poisoned and died from that.

And there's evidence within Islam that he was poisoned and didn't die from that, but died later.

Okay, so where we have the agreement is he was a poisoned, how it affected him, that's the debate.

But when you have only Islamic sources that claim that there was this group that believed that Mary was God, when none of Christianity has evidence of that, that one seems more probable that that was something that was a life saving device to defend this fringe view they have of the Trinity.

However, you don't even have to get into the argument of this fringe group.

Supposedly that's out there.

Why?

Because if the God, the God who is omniscient, was the author of the Quran, he would know that this is a fringe group and not what Christianity believes.

So if there was some fringe group, not saying there wasn't, but if there was, and that's what Muhammad knew of Christianity and that's what's written down, then Muhammad got it wrong because he doesn't know Christianity.

But if an infinite God who knows everything gets it wrong, that's a different story.

And that's what we end up seeing in the Quran.

That's why we focused on that.

Because that is an evidence logically and theologically that the author of the Quran cannot be God.

And that's why I tend to focus on that, because that is something that's definitional.

When the Quran would talk about the fact that there are, that the Christians believe in three Gods, well that's not what Christianity teaches.

That is a definitional thing.

Now this is different because of what I've had some Muslims try to do is they'll say, well your Bible has the same thing.

You know, there's a Case where, you know, Jesus heals 10 lepers and then it only speaks of the.

Of one leper.

And therefore, see, that's, that's proof that same thing in the Bible.

No, that's not the same thing because that's not a definitional thing.

Now if the accounts that they refer say that there were 10 lepers that were healed by Jesus and the other account says only there was only one healed by Jesus, that would be a definitional problem.

However, what you see is there were 10 lepers and then it says that there but one returned.

By the way, who is the one?

And this is the, the thing to understand, we should never stop studying the Bible.

I read that account in the Bible dozens and dozens of times over the last 40 years.

And it was only this past year my pastor was preaching that text.

I just read over the fact that the one who returned was a Samaritan.

Huh.

All of a sudden that opens up that passage.

So you have nine Jewish lepers who get healed with the one Samaritan, and the Jewish lepers don't show appreciation.

But the Samaritan did similar argument with the.

What happens with the, the.

A parable of the good Samaritan.

Right.

The Samaritans were those that the Jewish people, they didn't like them.

And here Jesus is, heals 10 people.

But the account that's written down is the fact that the one Samaritan came back.

So there weren't.

There were 10 and one came back, the other nine didn't.

Easy to explain.

Now, one that sometimes people will deal with in the, in the Bible they'll try to make the argument that, well, you have the same problem in the Bible because Jesus, if he knows everything, said that the smallest seed is the mustard seed and there is a seed smaller, but that seed that's smaller is not in the region where they would known.

If he was to have mentioned a seed that is smaller than the mustard seed and they have no idea what that is, his parable makes no sense.

So yes, he is referring to a regional area and says in that region what the seeds that they're aware of, this is the smallest seed, but grows into a big tree, a big bush.

Right?

He's making the, the reference to the size being very small and becoming something very big.

But he had to do that with something they're familiar.

So in that case, that's not a definitional thing, as some would say, because they don't.

Wouldn't.

Now if, if he said that and the.

There was a smaller seed in that Region we might have an argument there.

So we, we have to always try to be fair with, with arguments.

Okay.

And so with the death of Muhammad, I just wanted to correct that or explain that from what I had in my notes when I was studying Islam.

So I, I don't think it's a good argument we should be making if we, if, if we are looking to discuss with Muslims.

I, I just don't think it's a good argument to, to have there's, there's better arguments we can make.

Now let me deal with some of the things I did deal with.

The arguments you could make with Islam is the fact of their, their logic, a logical argument that they believe that there were, some of the hadiths will say there was more than four, that there's more than four people who wrote the Bible or God's word.

They would, but at a minimum they have Mose, David, Jesus, Muhammad.

Okay.

At a minimum were the prophets that had written.

Okay.

So they argue that Moses wrote and then you had men corrupted and David wrote and then men corrupted and Jesus wrote and then men corrupted.

Now we know Jesus didn't write the Bible directly, although as God through the Holy Spirit, I guess he wrote all of it.

But you have three times that they would argue God wrote his word, which in the Quran it says God's word cannot be changed.

And yet it also was changed.

Now they, when they argue that, they'll say that God's word is eternal.

So when it says that God's word can't be changed, a Muslim will say, well that is the word of God that's in heaven.

But it was given to men and then men corrupted that.

Well here's the thing.

If God gave his word through Moses, men corrupted it, gave it through David, men corrupted it, gave it through Jesus, men corrupted it, gave it to Muhammad.

And we know that 18 years after Muhammad's death, there was a battle.

Muslims do not dispute this.

This is Islamic history.

I took two Islamic history university courses and both of them mentioned this.

No one has, seems to have any issue with this.

There was a battle, they lost their warriors.

Uthman, who was one of the imams, he, he decided to get all the warriors together and start writing down the Quran before these men died because they had it memorized from Muhammad orally and they needed to have it written down.

So he wrote it down.

That's not disputed.

The fact that he called, had an edict to burn the abhorrent texts, I've never had that disputed.

So think about this.

God writes through Moses Men corrupted, writes through David, men corrupts, it writes through Jesus, men corrupted rights through Muhammad.

And Uthman acknowledges there's multiple texts because there's nothing to burn.

There's no abhorrent text to burn if there aren't different versions written down.

So you have to logically ask the question, how do you know that Muhammad burned or sorry, that Uthman burned the right ones because God couldn't keep his word the first three times.

The fact that we know Uthman burned upon texts tells us that there were multiple versions.

How do we know that men didn't corrupt it this time?

Because just logically he couldn't keep his word from being corrupted the other times.

So this is a logical argument that shows that you really can't have the, the, the Quran saying that it can't be corrupted.

I, I mentioned the four there, there are some Hadiths that refer to 104 sacred books.

But because the, the Quran will mention four.

The, the, the Torah, the Pentateuch, what we call those first five books of the Bible, the, the Zabrir which is the Psalms, the Angel, which is the New Testament, the Gospels and the New Testament.

Jesus didn't write that.

And the Quran which Muhammad didn't write, they would, it was verbally given from Muhammad to others.

As I mentioned last week, Muhammad was illiterate so he, he wouldn't have been able to write.

He was, he was a slave, he wasn't an educated man.

He didn't go.

And that was not unusual.

That was very common back in that day.

And so as we look at it we, we see that a, a easy logical argument that can be made is the fact that if you had the Bible or God's Word written four times in history and all four times that the, the Bible had been corrupted by men, then a logical argument would have to be that the Quran also could have been given initially but then corrupted by Uthman or others when they wrote it down, but that it was corrupted by men.

Because history, if you believe Islam, that's happened every time, every other time it happened, so why not this time?

And the interesting thing is as we said last week and we, we looked at some of the passages, but in the Quran it says that you can trust the book.

Now the book referring to the Bible.

And so if you have a Bible in Muhammad's day that could be trusted, but then later it says that men corrupted it after.

Now a simple thing we could do is look, do we have any copies of the Bible that predate Muhammad?

Yes, we actually have hundreds of manuscripts before Muhammad.

Now if we look at the hundreds of manuscripts that we have before Muhammad, we can now look at those and look at the thousands and thousands of manuscripts after Muhammad and see if there's any changes.

And what do you know?

Yeah, we don't have all these changes that would corrupt the meaning of the text.

If you want evident evidence of that, an explanation of that, you can get my book what Do We Believe?

Chapter two deals with the topic of textual criticism and explains all that.

But what we see is that in Muhammad's time, in the early part of his ministry, he was saying you can trust the book, the Bible.

And then later, oh no, it's been corrupted.

My guess is that as people as Muhammad came in contact or Muslims came in contact with people who know the Bible and saw what the Quran was teaching and pointed out inaccuracies, they just said well you, the Bible you have has been corrupted.

It's the same thing that the Mormons do.

They say well the, the Bible was corrupted even though we have versions of the Bible that they would, that they have today.

I mean they look, Joseph Smith had a translation that he said was inspired by him.

He never finished it.

But guess what translation they, they Muslim Mormons use.

The Mormons use the King James and they've just opened up to us saying well you can use other things like the ESV and stuff because that's easier to, to understand.

The interesting thing is what they don't have is they, they don't recommend a modern translation being the Joseph Smith translation, their founder, right, he's, he's not one that has a translation that isn't, is one of their ones they mentioned.

But he ends up claiming, well see there's, there's.

And what they refer to is variances.

Changes that occur between people make copying errors.

You know, there's almost 4,000 changes in the Book of Mormon from the Book of Mormon we have today to the one that Joseph smith first wrote.

4000.

Remember this is after the printing press folks.

So when you printed something you got the same text.

It's not like it is in.

When you're writing something out and make it cop, you're copying from one to the other and, and make a mistake.

No, you're just printing it off.

So what you end up seeing is that this is something that their argument, well, the Book of Mormon doesn't fit its own definition.

Right, so what are we using here?

Logic.

All right, now one of the things that may confuse people when it comes to the Quran is and I Remember when I did a debate with an imam at a university, Montclair State University.

And at that university we had a debate and the imam ended up taking a New Testament.

And when he looked at it, he took a New Testament from me.

He said he was going to read it and study it.

But he said, boy, this is about the size of the Quran.

Yes, that's about right.

The New Testament is, is about, the Quran is about the same size roughly of the New Testament.

It's divided into 114 what's called surahs, what we might think of as chapters, but they're not arranged in a chronological order way.

Our, our Bible is.

So the way the Bible is, it's, it's by genre and then chronology.

And so if you look at, let's just look at the Old Testament, you have the, the historical books.

The Pentateuch, right?

You, you get into the, the Kings and all that.

So you have all the historical books.

But if you look at, at the first five books, they're, they're chronological.

Joshua, then you, when you look at the Kings, Chronicles, Samuel, those are all laid out chronologically.

When you look at the prophets, it starts with the major prophets chronological, the minor prophets chronological.

When you have the New Testament, it's broken up a little different.

You have the four Gospels, the, the three that are synoptic, and then John.

But you have all the history books, the Gospels and Acts.

And then because Paul does the bulk of the writing, you have his books and they're done by size.

His bigger works earlier and then the smaller works and those then become somewhat chronological.

And then you have the other letters and Revelation, which is chronologically at the end.

So that's how the New Testament or the Bible is done.

The Quran is arranged not chronologically but by length.

Okay.

With the exception of Sir 1.

Sir 1 is a prayer.

And it is, it's the only surah that is out of order of size.

So I will say again, if you want, if you go to carm.org Matt Slick, a friend of mine, he has a page there that gives you all of the suras in chronological order.

So if you, you, if you wanted to read the Quran and it is a difficult book to read, it really is.

A lot of the translations are in older English, like the King James type English, Elizabethan English, which makes it harder.

There are some newer translations that are a bit easier, but still it's, it's really, it's, it's a very difficult book to read.

But if you are going to read it and you read it in chronological order.

You, you see the shifting of the views of Islam from early Islam to later Islam.

The, the how the beliefs go from trusting the Bible to the Bible's been corrupted to arguing for peace, to arguing for killing the infidels.

Right.

To more of, in his early years, Muhammad was more of a diplomat and in the later years more of a warrior.

And you see that when you read it chronologically.

So if you, if you did want to investigate it, I encourage you to go quorum.org and look up Matt's chronological ordering of the Quran.

That will, it'll help you.

Okay.

And so one of the things, I don't recall if we mentioned this last week or not.

And I, I should say, you know, the reason that I want to spend the time looking at Islam is because here in America and in really all of the Western world, what you're seeing is this a big immigration of Muslims to Western civilization.

And a lot of people think, well, this is just.

They're, they're in a bad situation, they have to flee.

And therefore they're, they're coming to Western world because they want a better life.

But when you actually understand Islam and when you actually listen to these Muslims, that's not what they're saying.

And I believe them when they say they're coming to the Western world because they want to dominate the west with Islam.

You see, when someone has to flee their country, they tend to go to another country that is similar.

If I was to flee America, I would look first to go to somewhere like, well, Australia because they speak the same language.

Or the United Kingdom where you have a lot of similar, you have similar language, you have similar culture, you have a similar religion based on Christian values.

There's a lot of similarity.

I'm gonna go there where I'm going to be more accepted because my, my background fits in better.

But what you end up seeing is that the Muslims are going to opposite.

They're Muslim going to Christian nations, they're not going to fellow Muslim countries.

They're, they're all fleeing Islamic countries and going to non Islamic countries and they're saying that they will out produce the non Muslims.

They will have many, many children.

Knowing that the Western world is having fewer and fewer children, they openly say that I believe them, that that's their goal.

Why?

Because they say that.

So that's why I've been wanting to do this series, because I think Christians need to.

I think a lot of the Christians have arguments against Marxism and the political arguments against Marxism, but many Christians don't have the political arguments against Islam.

Islam is not just a religion.

It is, it is a political system and a religion.

So all these Marxists that want to talk about Christian nationalism and yet they, and, and here America was founded on Christian values that had a separation of church and state.

That, that, that had this idea that you had freedom of religion.

That and freedom of separation of church and state was that the state doesn't get involved in the church.

In other words, we wouldn't have a state run religion, but people would have the freedom to worship within their religion.

But the idea of having a, a political system that is religious is the issue.

And you cannot separate Islam, the religion from Sharia, which is the law of Islam.

So saying Sharia law is like saying law law.

Sharia means law.

So Sharia and the Constitution are mutually exclusive.

You cannot have both.

So we could accept a Muslim that wants to practice Islam in America, but we cannot accept Sharia in America because it goes against the Constitution.

Now I have someone in chat that's saying, is this real?

Yes, Marco Da Vinci, this is real.

And so what you see is, this is why I feel we need to address this.

Because what you see is that Muslims and you can see other countries where they've done this, they will work with the Marxists, they'll work with anyone until they dominate.

And, and then it's, by the time people realize is what's happening in England, people are waking up and realizing it's kind of too late.

I mean in England they have a new party that just started, has 10 population already, 10 of the, of the UK have moved to this new party that, that is recognizing that Islam's trying to take over.

And they're, they want to outlaw Burkers, they want this new party, they, they want to outlaw Islam because they recognize the political system that it is.

And so they're trying to do something, but it's a little too late.

And America, it is time for us to wake up to this realization as well.

And as Christians we need to have more than just a political argument, we need to have a theological argument.

And I think as I'm trying to lay out, that we not only have a good theological argument, we have a good logical argument.

And because of those two, I think we have a good political argument as well.

So, so that's, that is a little bit why I wanted to do this, this study.

Now if you guys want to dig in more, I'm giving you just highlights from my book.

What do we, what do they believe?

Okay, that Whole chapter on Islam.

The, the reason I'd encourage you to get that, you can go to striving for attorney.org at our store and order it there.

But the reason I'm.

I want to encourage you to, to get that book, if you want to really look into Islam, is because I try to give you what they believe from the Quran.

I quote large sections of the Quran.

Why?

Because I don't want you taking my word for it.

I want you to be able to read it in context to see what the Quran actually says.

And that becomes an important thing because we want to be fair when we do apologetics, we want to be fair with what they believe.

Okay.

So in Islam, the one unforgivable sin is to believe in three gods.

Now you Christians, do we believe in three gods?

Yes.

I'm sure that everyone was yelling into their devices that they're watching this or hearing this and saying, no, we don't.

We dealt with this in detail last week.

We as Christians believe, as Jewish people do, in one God, just like Islam believes in one God.

We do not believe Mary is God.

We do believe Jesus is God.

And so what we see is that the, the God of the Bible is one God, but three persons.

How do we make that case?

Well, you can look through the Bible.

You see that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit all have attributes that only God has.

All do works that only God does, all have titles that only God has.

So, you know, all claim to do the things that, and to be God.

All three persons created the universe.

And yet in Isaiah it says God, Jehovah alone created.

How do you reconcile that?

See, if you don't have the Trinity, you have a problem because you have the Father has the attributes of God that only God can have.

The Spirit has the attributes only God can have.

The Son has attributes only God can have.

And yet there's one God.

The, the Father created the universe, the Spirit created the universe.

Jesus created the universe.

And yet there's only one creator of the universe, God.

You see, the Trinity is a solution to a problem that all are called God, and yet there's three of them.

And so that is what we end up seeing with that.

They, they have an issue with Jesus being God.

The Bible doesn't have that issue, but the Quran does.

And so they, they do believe that Jesus was born of a virgin and that he did many miracles.

So where Muhammad didn't, I, I, that's just one of the things I find interesting.

We spent a little bit of time on this last week.

Is the crucifixion of Christ.

When we speak of Christ an interesting thing is the crucifixion.

Because what the Quran teaches is that Allah deceived even his own followers into believing that Jesus a look alike was actually Jesus on the cross.

And so what you end up seeing is if you have a God who in the Quran Allah is called the great Deceiver.

Now when they say that, they will say that the word means planner.

And I have looked up in Arabic, you know, trend, you know dictionaries and things like this to for words I've talked to people that are fluent in Arabic and I've been told that the word means a planner or deceiver.

In other words someone who plans to deceive.

Not a planner like someone who just makes plans.

But the plan to deceive is the meaning of the word.

So you have Allah is a great deceiver, someone who plans to deceive.

And one of I guess his best deceptions was putting a look alike on the cross to make it look like Jesus deceit was crucified.

Therefore he deceived his own followers into believing that Jesus was on the cross when he wasn't.

How in the world can you trust a God that deceives his own followers?

And they praise that, they see that as a good thing.

I would see that as a danger.

How can I then trust anything this God does if he's going to deceive his own people?

So what I'm referring to, let me just read some of the Quran for you.

This is Surah 4:156 to 158.

So you could think of it as chapter 4 and the verses 156, 158.

But it says that they, they speaking of the Jews rejected faith that they uttered against Mary a grave false charge that they said in boast we killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.

But they killed him not, nor crucified him.

But so it was made to appear to them.

And those who differ therein are full of doubts with no certain knowledge but only conjecture to follow.

For for a surety they killed him not.

Nay, Allah raised up him unto himself.

And Allah is exalted in power and wise.

So that says that Allah put not Jesus on the cross.

It wasn't Jesus, it was someone made to look like Jesus.

That's kind of scary right?

Because now all of a sudden you have a God who's willing to deceive even his own followers who thought that that was Jesus.

On the cross.

So we got a question coming in from Marco da Vinci here.

He says, how can three persons be one God?

How does.

How.

How does.

I think it meant how does that work?

When creating.

Created the universe and earth, did they have one third of a say in it?

Who can.

Who can.

I think it means, how can God die?

Did all.

All of the three persons die at the same day?

Okay, a lot of questions here, Marco.

So let's try to deal with these.

First thing, when I teach.

When I teach theology class, the first thing I do is start with the.

The nature of God and the first attribute of God's.

I start with is that he is incomprehensible.

When I speak to Muslims, it's a question I'll often ask very early in a conversation with the Muslim.

I will ask the question, is the God of the universe greater than our.

Understand our ability to understand Him?

They will always say yes.

And the answer to most of these questions are the proof that the.

That Muslims who understand their God, it's not the God of the universe.

I cannot fully comprehend nor explain the answers to Marco's questions.

Why?

Because I'm not God and he's incomprehensible to me.

I can only understand what he has said about himself, the revelation he's given to us about himself.

And so how can there be three persons in one God?

Ultimately, I don't know.

But what I do know is that in Genesis, it refers to God the Father being the creator of the universe.

It refers to the Holy Spirit being the creator of the universe.

In Colossians, it refers very clear that Jesus being the creator of the universe.

I see those three.

We could see them separate.

We see all of them involved in creation.

We can see that at Jesus baptism, for example, you see Jesus physically there.

John Baptist sees Jesus there.

He hears the voice of God separate from Jesus, sees the Holy Spirit descending as a dove separate from Jesus.

So you see that they're not the same person, and yet they're one God.

In Isaiah, it says God alone created without a helper.

So if Jehovah, God created all the universe, and yet the Father created, The Spirit created, the Son create.

Sorry, the Son created, the Spirit created.

How do you rationalize or explain that that all three were involved in creation, all three were involved in the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, and yet there are only one God that did that.

Okay, so to the question, how did that work with the.

With the creation?

They were all involved in creation with one mind, one mindset.

They.

They're they are, in whatever way, whether it is, is one mind.

I, I, I don't really know if it's, you know, there's, if that's right, good language, but they're unit, unified in mind.

So did they have 1/3 of a say this, like that question is, and I don't want you to take this wrong, Marco, but the, the question's faulty in the way you asked it, because God is omniscient, meaning he knows everything.

He doesn't, he didn't learn anything, he didn't observe and then get knowledge.

He knows everything.

So it's not that they had one third of a say before there was anything.

God existed in three persons and they know everything.

And so the question is, how can God, how can God die?

And this is a big question you'll get.

I don't know if Marco is following after Islam.

He might be, but this is a question I get often from Muslims is how could God die?

And most Metzlik has an article there on this.

But this is an important question.

So I want to explain this because a lot of Christians misunderstand this.

What is death?

You see, many people think death is non existence, but that's not true, because the separation from our body is presence with the Lord.

The moment we die, we're in heaven.

It's.

So what?

Death is a separation.

Physical death is separation of our spirit from our, from our body.

Our spirit doesn't die, it doesn't go to non existence.

But this physical body dies, it's separated and, and the body will decay and God will recreate it one day.

And so when we talk about death, it is about separation.

So you got to get into the question of.

Are you talking physical death, spiritual death, eternal death, they're different.

Okay, but what makes Jesus Christ unique and why?

Christianity is the only religion in the entire world where you can have a God that is both just and merciful.

It is the only religion in the world where you have a reconciliation between God and man through Jesus Christ, because he is the God.

Man being truly God, he can pay an eternal fine.

Why?

Because he is an eternal being.

This is why his death is so important.

If I was to die for you, Marco, I, I have my own sins to pay for.

But if I never sinned, never broke God's law, I could be a substitute for you, but it would take me forever, for all of eternity to pay for your sin.

And therefore the fact that there are no sinless people other than Jesus because he's God, he never sinned.

So he could be a substitute for us.

But being eternal, that one time in that he died in, in his flesh when he took that consequence on the cross because his nature is eternal, it not only counts for all of eternity because he's an eternal being, but it can count for more than one person.

And that is how you can have that reconciliation between God and man and the reconciliation between Justin in and merciful.

Because the full punishment of my sin and the sin of every Christian was paid at the cross fully.

And now the very same person who is God who paid that can now give us mercy.

That is what the gospel is.

And so, excuse me, what you see is that when he says that all three persons die the same day.

Now notice how the questions worded.

No, the three persons didn't die because there was only one person that had a physical body, Jesus.

And his body was separated from his spirit and the body went into the grave.

So what you end up seeing is that, that the three persons know only the one person, Jesus died that day.

All right, so Marco asks this now, why did God, why, why did God had to die, have to die?

Why did God have to die in the first place?

For who did he die?

All right, so good questions.

So to the first question, why did he have to die?

Well, I think I explained it, but maybe it's not clear enough.

Because when we sin against an infinitely holy, infinitely just God, the punishment for that is all of eternity.

The only way to pay that is that the person pays it for all of eternity or someone who is eternal pays it once in time.

That is why God chose that He.

If, if Jesus as God did not come to earth and die in our place, there would be no way we could be reconciled to God.

Okay, and so with that we have the case where it is because, because of the punishment of our sin against an infinitely holy God, the only way would be for someone eternal, which can only be God, to die in our place.

Okay, for who did he die?

Well, in this I'm gonna say something that some Christians disagree with.

So this is not.

But there were many, many who would claim to be Calvinist before the time of John Owen that would agree with this.

And this is what is referred to today as classical Calvinism.

But it is the fact that Christ died for all people.

This is out of John first John, chapter two, verse two.

I'm going to start in verse one so we have some context.

But it says, my little children, I am writing.

So many.

My little children.

Who's he writing to?

Believers.

My little children, I am Writing you these things so that you may not sin.

And if anyone sins, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous.

And he himself is the propitiation.

Now that word propitiation means a satisfaction.

He's the propitiation for our sins.

Not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.

Now people get into a debate over what who is the whole world.

World doesn't necessarily mean every single human being.

Even say adding whole to it doesn't mean every single human being.

Okay, you could say the world.

And the word world is used in different places to refer to all the tribes of the worlds.

That's perfectly good argument.

However, the real issue here is who's the not us?

You have to ask who's the us and the not us.

Because he's saying that Christ died as propitiation for our sins and not ours only.

Right?

So now the question is the us and the not us.

Well, the us we see in verse one, my little children, believers.

So if the us is believers, the not us is unbelievers.

So what this means is that Christ's death was sufficient for every human being, for everybody at that on the cross.

But it wasn't applied to everybody.

Even though it was sufficient, it wasn't applied.

And the people it's not applied to are those that would spend eternity in a lake of fire.

So Marco is asking, and Marco, you're asking good questions.

A good thing you could do if you want is go to apologexlive.com and, and come on into the show and we can get questions answered a lot faster that way then I know a lot of people like to put them in chat, but it's a lot faster if you join.

So his next question is what about people before Jesus?

They haven't heard about Jesus.

Good question.

He's, he's asking really good questions here, folks.

So what we see is that, that people before Christ looked forward to what Christ could do.

You end up seeing throughout the Old Testament prophecies of a messiah who would be a, who would suffer the sin for the people.

And every time they gave, they had a sacrifice.

In the Old Testament it was looking forward to a future lamb, a future sacrifice that would be once for all.

And that is why we would look forward, people would look forward to the Messiah there.

And so this is, and this is an important thing that you'll end up seeing.

A difference between Islam and Christianity is the view of sin.

You see, Islam will not believe.

In fact, all the man made religions do not Believe in a doctrine of original sin.

Like the Bible teaches that sin is passed on because of what Adam did in the garden to his children, and so on and so on.

So therefore guys, I hate to disappoint you, but if you're a father and your wife blames you when the kids misbehave, she's theologically right.

Sin is passed on from the father to the children.

Jesus had no human father.

No sin nature was passed on to him.

And so this is the difference is that we see that there is that every single human being born of a father has a sin nature.

Islam teaches that only the sinner has this individual sin and cannot inherit it.

Now that is a very different thing than what the Bible would teach.

The Bible would teach that we have an inherited sin from Adam passed down from generation to generation.

Okay, and that is going to be different than what?

Well, Islam, modern Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, every other ism that man has made, they all teach that there is no doctrine of original sin, that we are not born with a sin nature.

And that is is very key to every man made religion.

Because the solution to every man made religion is ultimately works.

If you have a sin nature from birth, then that cannot be fixed with doing good works.

Because you can't do enough good works to outdo your nature, you see.

So you need to be given a new nature.

That's why it says in 2nd Corinthians 5:21 Speaking of Jesus, he who knew no sin became sin that he may give to us the righteousness of Christ.

You see, he took on sin upon himself so that he could give to us his righteousness.

That is the difference in, when it comes to salvation.

See, if you have, if you have a sin nature, you need a new nature to get right with God.

That is why all these man made religions don't have a, they don't believe in a sin nature.

They believe in free will and it the choices are all of yours.

And somehow no one ever makes all the right decisions and right choices.

You see, we would see the Bible says, well they can't make good choices according to God.

Now they could be more morally, more moral choices than other human beings, but they are not going to be moral choices in God's sight.

And, and that's the difference.

All the man made religions are horizontally focused and the Bible is vertically focused.

We're comparing ourselves to God and realizing we fall short.

Where man made religions compare themselves to other human beings and say I'm better than Hitler, I'm better than name your the person you want to think is the worst.

So you have a different Islam, you have a different salvation.

In Islam, you have a salvation that is by doing works, okay?

And those works are referred to in five pillars, by the way.

Five things you must do to, to get right with God.

Now ultimately, it's up to God, to Allah's mercy.

You don't know it's the one thing you can't do in Islam is say that you know, you have, you're right with God.

In the Bible, we can, we can know we're right with God.

And so what we see is that here, there, it becomes this difference because we can claim to get, be right with God.

Okay?

So, so to the five pillars in Islam, one is confession of faith, okay?

And this is, you have to recite a creed in Arabic and in English, this is what it says.

And you have to do this with witnesses, okay?

But you say the, the translation would be there is no, no true God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger, the messenger of Allah.

So there is no, there is no God or no true God of, but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger or the messenger of Allah.

Okay?

You, you recite that in front of two witnesses.

That's what converts you to Islam.

Now they believe that once you do that, all your past sins are covered.

It's only the future ones you have to deal with.

Now the second thing you have to do is pray five times a day.

You have to give alms, you have to give to the poor.

You have to fast.

We right now, as I'm recording this, I believe it is the first night of Ramadan, but they have a month where during the daylight hours there's no food, no drink, no tobacco, no sexual intercourse.

Things like that allowed during the, during the day, but at night, the fist, the fast is lifted and, and you can, you can eat.

Now there are exceptions to, you know, to Ramadan, such as, you know, soldiers, warriors, sick people, some travelers, children, pregnant women, things like this.

Now the fifth pillar is a pilgrimage to Mecca.

Now in this case, if you can't afford to go to Mecca, you can give money to someone else to go for you.

Okay?

So you can send someone else in your, in your, in your stead.

That's interesting because see, what the Bible teaches, that Jesus Christ died in our place, and because he's God, it sets him apart.

But here you can, you can have someone else act in your place as a substitute for going to Mecca.

So let's see, Marco is asking another question here.

A lot of the questions are Coming from Mark, I have not seen our.

The Muslims that we've had for several weeks coming in.

So I guess it is interesting.

By the way, I will tell you this.

I should have started the show with this.

You know how, you know, how you know you made an impact on a group after last week's show.

Last week's show was removed from Facebook and YouTube.

I was able to get them back on at YouTube.

Don't.

I didn't see it back up on Facebook for copyright infringement.

I argued both of them and said there is no like.

They tried to argue that the song that we play in the very beginning is copyrighted.

Well, that was done by R.L.

solberg, someone who's been on this show.

He wrote that song for us.

It was created for us.

It never existed before and we have the rights to it.

So it's not copyright material.

But they wanted the show taken down.

That's how you know that you made good arguments because they don't want it up.

We'll see if they do that again this week, but I don't see any of them here.

All right, so Marco is saying, Jesus says in the gospel of John 7, 17, verse 3, that the Father is the one true God.

Why does he distinguish himself from the only true God?

Well, this is the exact point that I'm saying.

And, and what it does say, there is and.

And context does matter because what he's talking about is eternal life.

That's the context.

First, John 17, verse 3 says, and this is eternal life, that they may know you, the only true God and Jesus Christ.

Christ whom you've sent.

He's not denying that he's God.

What he's doing is saying what.

What eternal life is.

Now what you have to deal with then is that Jesus says this earlier in that same book in John chapter 8, verse 58.

And Jesus said to them, truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was Jehovah.

In Greek it would be ego I me.

In Hebrew it would be the word we use as Jehovah.

God before Abraham was I am.

And what was the reaction of the Jewish people?

Therefore they picked up stones to throw at him.

But Jesus himself hid himself and went out from the temple.

Now we see this followed up because after he heals some someone In John chapter 10, we see that the.

The Jews ask him.

The.

The Jews gathered around him.

This is verse 24.

The Jews gathered around him and were saying, how long will you keep us in suspense?

If you are the Christ, tell us openly.

Well, the Christ would be the Messiah to be God.

Jesus answered them.

I have told you, and you do not believe the works that I do in my Father's name bear witness of me.

So what's he appealing to, Marco?

He's appealing to his very works.

What did I say?

He does the works of God.

He does.

He.

He can heal in a way that only God can heal.

He can raise the dead.

He does things only God can do.

He's not denying his deity.

He says, my sheep hear my voice, and I know them and they follow me.

I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, ever.

And no one will snatch them out of my hands.

My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all.

No one is able to snatch them out of my hands.

Now, what he's here doing is saying that, yes, he's a different person than the Father.

And in the structure of the hierarchy within.

Within the Trinity, the Father is greater than him.

But it doesn't mean that they're not God.

Okay?

Because he then says in verse 30, I and the Father are one.

Now, what does that mean?

Well, let's.

Historical context.

Let's see what the Jewish people understand.

Verse 31.

The Jews pick up stones again to stone him.

What's the again?

John is referring back to John, chapter eight, that we saw when they picked up stones, when he said, he is I am before Abraham was I am.

And Jesus answered and says to them, I showed you many good works from the Father, for which one of these are you stoning me?

And look at their response.

He's questioning them to make them answer.

What do they say?

The Jews answered, for a good work, we do not stone you, but for blasphemy and because you, being a man, make yourself God.

They understood when he claimed to be I am, and when he said the Father and I are one, that he was claiming to be God.

And he goes on and does not deny that.

He doesn't say, guys, you got me wrong.

He says, right, I do the works of God.

You see?

So Marco, we see is, yes, he.

He makes a distinction between the Father and himself.

And yes, he talks about believing in the one true God.

He doesn't deny that he's not that one true God.

Because here in the same book earlier, we have two accounts where he very clearly and understood by those of the day, was claiming to be God.

So that would be how we would look at this.

That, yes, there's the distinction.

That's the whole thing.

Three persons, there's.

They're distinct from one another, but they are all God.

And so the Trinity is an explanation for that.

Now, we may not always be able to understand everything.

There are things that we cannot comprehend when it comes to the Bible.

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I am not sure what that's referring to.

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Andrew is letting us know that what that comment is referring to is the.

The loss of sleep maybe and that that is what she is saying.

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Thank you for that.

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All right, so let's get back to Islam.

I want to try and finish up with some of the view of the end state.

Okay.

Now in.

In the Quran it will refer to paradise.

It.

It's.

It doesn't really.

That I recall.

I don't remember any references to.

To heaven, but I do see that there is the references to paradise.

And paradise is a.

There is a lot there that I think we end up seeing that it is.

I'm gonna, I want to say this very specifically.

It is a in my mind a man made creation.

Very much like in Mormonism.

Now I'm not saying human, I'm saying man.

And the reason being is that what you see in in both Mormonism and Islam is that that heaven is filled with man's desires.

Okay.

Many women that wait on him do whatever the man would want.

And so the man is center there's in Islam.

Paradise will be filled with many of the things that are sinful on earth.

Many sensual desires of, of beautiful women.

The alcohol which is, you know, if you go to an Arab country today you can't have alcohol and yet there's going to be lots of wine and women in heaven for, for the men.

And that's why I say it is a I I the way of reading what paradise is in Islam.

It seems to be a very man centered, not God centered place.

Okay.

Men enter paradise and, and kind of receive the desires of their hearts very much like in Mormonism.

But see, for the Christian, heaven is not about what we get.

It's about being with Christ.

Christ paid a fine we could never pay.

Christ paid an eternal fine for us.

I want to to be with Christ.

It's not that I want to be in heaven.

I want to be with the one who I love because he sacrificed everything for me.

He.

He paid what I can never pay.

And therefore what you have is you have a case where it Heaven wouldn't be where I want to be if Christ's not there.

That's the difference.

The focus on heaven for the Christian is all about God.

When we receive rewards in heaven crowns, what do we do with them?

The Bible says we give them back to Christ because he's the one worthy, not us.

Now this is a comment that just came in to my comment about paradise and this is from Islam.

Marquis A. Markey I'm if I'm sorry, forgive me if I mispronounce that but I'm going to assume from a Muslim says there there will be wives and there will be wine is not the same.

Does not intoxicate.

That could be.

Now I, I think that as far as the not intoxicating that I could, I could say okay, I agree.

But the wives is still something The Bible says from the beginning God created Adam and Eve and not multiple wise.

In fact when you do see multiple wives, it's seen as a sin.

So here you have the Quran which says okay, multiple wives.

But God says that's a sin.

So what is a sin on earth is acceptable in heaven?

Well, I guess in Islam it's not a sin as long as you only have a certain number of them which Muhammad exceeded.

Right.

You can only have three.

But then there was a fourth.

Right.

His own stepdaughter.

Well not sort of like adopt his adopted son's wife.

So.

And I don't know, you know, it's a good question.

This, I don't know Andrew is, is asking you, you mean like non alcoholic wine?

And, and I do not know in Muslim countries if non alcoholic wine, non alcoholic beer would be allowed.

I, I would think it would be because it's not alcoholic.

So the, is Islam a mark?

He says God said that he gave David wives.

Wives.

You would have to show me that Bible verse says that David had many wives.

I don't know a verse that says God gave him many wives.

So he said, he says and he may be reading, doing text to speech because he's prophets, he says multiple prophets but he spoke prophets like, like money, you know, P R O F I T S. So I'm going to assume that that's text to speech.

Multiple prophets have multiple wives in the Old Testament and every one of those prophets was a sinner and broke God's law more than just having multiple wives.

Okay.

So the reality is, is God does, you know, Jesus said that, you know, we shouldn't even be divorced, that God gave us one man, one woman, that it was supposed to be that way.

He never said to have multiple wives.

So it, you know, I, I'll challenge this person to show me where it says that God gave David multiple wives.

And, and it, if it is, you know, it, we could argue, I mean, did David have multiple wives?

Yes.

Was that God's will?

Well, yes.

Why?

Because it happened.

Because God's in sovereign over everything.

It doesn't mean it was, it doesn't mean that that's what God desired.

But God's in control of everything.

So it doesn't mean God causes us to sin even though if we did sin it meant it was God's will because he allowed it to happen.

So you know, we have to deal with what it does say about it being a sin.

Let me wrap up with hell or the hellfire in the Quran.

Now.

This is, I'm going to say this is that that hell in the Quran is very more, very much picturesque or much more picturesque than in the Bible.

Okay.

It is described in more detail in the Bible.

It's referred to as a place where the worm does not Die where you're in fire that's cannot be quenched.

So it's the idea of burning forever.

And so what you have is a case that is when you look at, in the Quran, it is way more descriptive than what you see in, in, in the Bible.

Now we have a verse that Islam, a marquis is giving us.

2nd Samuel 12:8.

So let's start with reading in verse 7 for context.

2nd Samuel 12:7.

Nathan then said to David, well, let's back up actually, just so we get the context here to verse one.

Then Yahweh sent Nathan to David.

And this for context, this is after David had sinned with Bathsheba, a woman, he who was someone else's wife, okay.

He had an affair while that man was out fighting a battle and fighting war for David.

And David stayed back and sees this woman, calls her to Bathsheba, to himself, has sex outside of marriage to a married woman and figured he got, you know, gets Uriah killed on the battlefield and figures he could cover it up.

And so here's the context.

So then Yahweh sent Nathan to David and he came to him and said, Nathan gives a story, an account to appeal to David's sense of justice.

There were two men in one city, one rich, the other poor.

The rich man had a great, a great many flocks and herds.

The poor had nothing except this one ewe lamb which he brought, which he bought and nourished.

And it grew up, and they grew up together with, with him and his children.

It would eat a morsel of, of bread and drink from his cup, lie down in his bosom.

It was like a daughter to him.

No visitor came to the rich man and he was unwilling to take of his own flock or herd to prepare for the traveler who had come.

Rather, he took from the poor the poor man's ewe lamb and prepared it for the man who had come.

David's anger burned greatly against the man and said, as Yahweh lives, surely the man who did this deserves to die.

So what happened?

Just to get the context here, you have someone who is David is seeing.

You have this rich man who has lots of lambs and he's not willing to take one of his own to take care of his own guest.

But he takes this poor ulam, this guy, this guy has one lamb that's like a daughter to him.

And the rich man takes that and sacrifices that, cooks that and serves his friend.

So he has riches, he's got plenty, but he takes from the poor.

Okay, that's The.

The context.

David gets enraged.

He's angry.

He knows this is wrong.

He says in verse, verse 6, he must make restitution for the lamb fourfold because of the thing, this thing he has.

He had no compassion.

Verse 7.

Nathan said to David, you are the man.

Thus says Yahweh, the God of Israel.

It is I who anointed you as king over Israel.

And.

And it is I who delivered you from the hand of Saul.

And I also gave your master's house and your master's wives into your care.

And I gave you the house of Israel as in Judah, that they would be if they had been too little.

I would have added many more things like these.

So is God saying that he gave that.

That it's.

That it's not a sin to have multiple wives?

No, what he's saying is that God gave him the.

The reigning over Saul.

Whose wives did.

Did God did David take.

He took Saul's wives because it came with being king.

So this is not a justification for their.

For God allowing multiple wives.

That is the fact that David, just like Saul and Solomon, sinned by having multiple wives.

Okay, he's.

He's also giving us another verse.

He says also Genesis 16:3.

And he says, yes, voice the text.

Sorry, yeah, it's kind of.

He got to be seen.

And.

And Islam key.

I think you.

Please come.

You're welcome to go to apologeticslive.com and join us.

Come on in and then we can have a better discussion.

But let's see.

Genesis 3.

I'll start in 16, verse 1.

Now, Sarah, Abram's wife, had borne him no children.

And she.

She had an Egyptian servant whose name was Hagar.

And Sarai said to Abram, now behold, Yahweh has shut my womb from bearing children.

Please go into my servant.

Perhaps I can obtain children.

Children through her.

And Abram listened to the voice of Sarah and Abram.

Abram had to live.

And.

And after Abram lived 10 years in the land of Canaan.

Abraham's wife, Sarah took Hagar and the Egyptian the servant and gave her to her husband as his wife.

That's not God giving Hagar to Abraham.

That was Sarah.

In fact, if you read the context in verse two, it says he listened not to the voice of God, but the voice of Sarah.

And if you continue to read the account, God condemned Abraham for listening to his wife in this matter and not trusting God in this child that he would provide through Sarah.

So that would be a case where God didn't give Abraham multiple wives.

In fact, we see that he condemned the behavior that he did.

And so I, you know, and I get that that's, this is a sticking point.

Why?

Because if the Bible teaches that marriage should be between one man and one woman, then the teachings of Islam are wrong.

And it also says, and this is going to be the hard part, that the Prophet Muhammad, just like David sinned.

Why is that such a hard thing?

Because in Islam they would believe that a prophet doesn't sin.

This is why they have a hard time with, with Noah being drunk.

Why they think Jesus couldn't have been offered on, you know, sacrificed on the cross because he couldn't have paid that.

Because dying on the cross being, you know, being hung on a tree is accursed.

And, and the prophet can't be accursed.

And, and therefore if they had multiple wives like David did, like Muhammad did, they can't have sinned.

You see, but this is when you remove the sin nature, when you deny what the Bible says about a sin nature, you can have someone that doesn't sin.

But then what do you do?

You have to make up for the fact.

How do you explain away that, that in the account we read of David, the woman he slept with was not his wife, it was Uriah's wife and to cover up his sin, he had Uriah killed.

That is not what a prophet of an in Islam would do, but it is what God gives us, recorded in the Bible in history that David did do.

Because the Bible doesn't cover up the sins for men, it calls men as they are sinners.

Every single human being and every single one of us need to turn from trusting ourselves as a good person or trusting in our good works.

And trust what Jesus Christ did on that cross 2000 years ago as the payment of sin is the only way to get right with God.

If we trust ourself, if we trust our good works, we trust our good nature, we will spend eternity in a lake of fire.

If we trust in what Jesus Christ did on that cross, he being truly God paying the fine for us, then we can have eternal life.

Because eternal life is not living forever.

Eternal life is not being in heaven.

Eternal life is knowing God, the true God, not the God of the Quran, the true God.

And how is it?

Who, what else does it say?

Knowing him, who he sent?

Jesus Christ.

Why is that important?

Because we have to know why Christ came, that he came to die in our place.

That is what we need to know to get right with God.

So I hope that unfortunately none of the Muslims came in I was really hoping that, that some would.

So okay, here's maybe this might be the last one we get time for.

But Islam, Amaki says if Ishmael was born out of fornication, God would not have promised to make a great nation.

Make him a great nation.

Why not?

You see, here's the, here's the problem.

Why not?

Was he born out of fornication?

Yeah, he was.

But he's a sinner just like every other human being.

See, if you believe that only a sinless being can, can be used by God, you're contradicting what the Bible says.

Okay, Everyone is a sinner.

Every person born of a father is born in sin.

Romans 5:12 and following, okay, the, the, the whole idea that, well you know, Israel had to been born in a, in a way that, where there's no sin involved that because a great nation was made of them.

No, the great nation was made out of Ishmael in spite of what Abraham did.

Read the account in Genesis.

Keep reading and you'll see God was angry.

He basically condemned Abraham for the fact that he didn't trust God.

He took matters into his own hands and God basically told him that was wrong of him.

He wasn't saying oh, what you did with Hagar was a good thing.

He saw that as a sinful thing.

That's a problem in Islam.

That's not a problem in the Bible, it's a problem in Islam because Islam has created a man made religion that's not consistent with what the Bible teaches.

That's why it's theologically can't match up and we see that logically it has illogical arguments.

And so I want, encourage you guys get my book what do they Believe?

If you want to dig in more into Islam or the other major Western religions, if you want to get into dealing with textual criticism, I mentioned get my book what do we Believe.

And you could read that if you want to really understand Christianity.

What do We Believe?

Will be a good overview on Christianity so you can understand what it is Christians believe.

So with that I, I want to just let you guys know a couple things as we are closing.

Where will I be?

Well, I do got a couple events coming up and I should mention next week.

I don't, don't have a guest, don't have a topic yet, but I'm sure we'll have something.

March, let's see, this is March 6th, so March 7th and 8th I will be doing a Bible conference.

This, this conference will be in.

What's the name of the town again, it's in Kansas City in Kansas.

It's in Cedarvale, Kansas.

Just go to Caleb Gordon.org I believe is where you can find out more details about that.

But if you are around March 7th and 8th, I will be at Caleb Gordon's church doing a we're going to have a Bible conference on Saturday and then I'll be preaching on Sunday.

If you are in the west eastern part of Pennsylvania, New Jersey area, want to join an evangelism training?

August 17th, 17th and 18th striving fraternity and Hearts for the Loss will get together at my home church, Oxford Valley Chapel.

You can go to Oxford Valley Chapel.org and we I don't think the information's up there yet, but if you want to get an evangelism training, we do a training Friday night, Saturday morning and then we go out on the streets and do some evangelism.

That will be in Levittown, Pennsylvania.

Oxford valleychapel.org lastly, if you want to get out of the cold, I can't wait for spring May 1st to the 3rd the Truth Conference.

I am on the board of the Truth Fellowship.

You can go to the truth fellowship.org you have to put the word the in there.

So thetruthfellowship.org and yet I am not speaking at that conference.

But I'm I am on the board and so I'm supporting that conference as a member of the board.

I will be down in Tampa, Florida for the Truth Conference.

I spoke at last year's that was here in New Jersey.

And I will be going down to Tampa for that conference.

It will be worth your time.

And, and I will say that you check out the Truth Fellowship.

It may be something you want to join brothers that are standing up for truth in light of a culture that is very anti Christian.

And so we are standing up for things against, well, even Islam, but we are standing up against the falsehoods that we see in Marxism, in Islam and other things that are coming up attacking Christianity.

And so those are some events.

If you do go to any of those events, may I encourage you to please come up to me and greet me.

Let me know you you listen to either my Rap Report podcast or this the Apologetics Live podcast or even both.

And so one last comment.

I see Islam Marquee is saying you mentioned the other Western religions, but Judaism approved of polygamy for thousands of years.

Well actually I'm from a Jewish background.

That's how I was raised.

And that is one of the major Western religions I deal with.

And yes I read through the, the Talmud and systematized that.

And you can say that yes, they practiced polygamy for thousands of years, but the Bible condemned it all along.

The Bible also condemns murder.

We've seen that practiced for thousands of years.

Just because sinful men practice sinful behavior doesn't make it right.

Now he is saying is Islam or he is saying, I would have joined but traveling.

Sorry.

Well, I'm gonna, I would love to have a discussion with you and I'm going to tell you how we can make that possible.

If, if you want to email me and so we can make sure we set up some time.

Because if you do that, I will set a two hour show so we give you at least the first hour and then engage with comments or people that could come in.

But I will, I will dedicate an hour to having discussion with you.

And usually in the first hour I would give you most of the time to discuss things and just ask some questions.

And then second hour we have more, more back and forth.

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